Does anyone have any details about when the G2 LG combo player will come out? Will it have full HD DVD support as initially speculated? I thought they were speculating this summer.

Hopefully it is under $1000

Hell just give me a dual tray model for $599. Those infernal DVD/VHS decks have become standard items why not a dual tray Uni?

Dual tray would require two laser diodes, from what I heard that is the part which is limiting production of HD DVD and Blu-Ray players, it would jack up the price.

Does anyone have any details about when the G2 LG combo player will come out? Will it have full HD DVD support as initially speculated? I thought they were speculating this summer.

Somebody mentioned July in another thread, I think. But then he also said that the new player would be fully compliant with iHD and BD1.1.

But that does not fit together with July, because BD1.1 will come in autumn. Probably. Maybe. At the earliest.

So either the new LG player will be delayed to the holiday season or it comes without full Bluray support. What I cannot image, because who wants to own a Bluray player that cannot play the complete Bluray content...

Somebody mentioned July in another thread, I think. But then he also said that the new player would be fully compliant with iHD and BD1.1.

But that does not fit together with July, because BD1.1 will come in autumn. Probably. Maybe. At the earliest.

So either the new LG player will be delayed to the holiday season or it comes without full Bluray support. What I cannot image, because who wants to own a Bluray player that cannot play the complete Bluray content...
I thought august was merely the deadline to have 1.1 implemented. In that scenario, July would be perfectly probable if they're just staying a bit ahead of the curve.

Though this would also mean that any delays in the spec would delay the player as well

My understanding was that they were delaying BD1.1 until October now. Is that correct?

Oh I had not heard that, I could be very wrong then

My understanding was that they were delaying BD1.1 until October now. Is that correct?Oct. 31, to be exact. That's when player compliance becomes mandatory. Until then, aspects of the spec remain optional, IIRC.

Oct. 31, to be exact. That's when player compliance becomes mandatory. Until then, aspects of the spec remain optional, IIRC.

Are the specs already developed? I mean in detail? Because I understood it as the new standard is not even defined yet. If it is defined already, why did it got delayed? If it is already defined then the rumour, that it got delayed so Sony can release another not compliant Bluray player before, must be true.

Good questions, Caurus, but I'm afraid I can't answer them. You should try the insider's thread under "HDTV Software Media Discussion."

Any new news on the 2nd Gen LG Dual player? I want to know if it has all the advanced audio codecs and 24 fps playback on both formats...

I have spoken to an LG rep before in the past about this. He didnt know any real info but he did say they wouldnt release a G2 unless it has everything to go with it, full HD-DVD/Blu-ray support, obviously 1080 24p output along with 60p. 1080p DVD upconversion, HDMI 1.3, BD-J, iHD or whatever, 7.1 analog audio out, and of course, last but not least, internal decoding of DD+ Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio. Like i said he did not confirm this but as I mentioned all these features he nodded at me and said that the next player they make will be "made right". So keep your fingers crossed.

But honestly I am holding a lot of hopes for the Samsung combo. If it has all this plus the Silicon Optix HQV video processing or something of equal quality, I think that will the be one to get.

Oh and obviously the rep said nothing about pricing. But I also mentioned that players should be down much lower by then and he also agreed. I apologize though for not having concrete information for ya all.

I have spoken to an LG rep before in the past about this. He didnt know any real info but he did say they wouldnt release a G2 unless it has everything to go with it, full HD-DVD/Blu-ray support, obviously 1080 24p output along with 60p. 1080p DVD upconversion, HDMI 1.3, BD-J, iHD or whatever, 7.1 analog audio out, and of course, last but not least, internal decoding of DD+ Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio. Like i said he did not confirm this but as I mentioned all these features he nodded at me and said that the next player they make will be "made right". So keep your fingers crossed.

But honestly I am holding a lot of hopes for the Samsung combo. If it has all this plus the Silicon Optix HQV video processing or something of equal quality, I think that will the be one to get.

Oh and obviously the rep said nothing about pricing. But I also mentioned that players should be down much lower by then and he also agreed. I apologize though for not having concrete information for ya all.

Well the Samsung combo player should be nice, but from what I'm reading (the French article) is that it will not support 24fps on HD-DVD, only on Blu-ray. The article also mentions that it will be using DCDi processing instead of HQV because of cost reasons. Of course, this article could be wrong. I would get the Samsung player if it has ALL the features :)

What the LG rep said about "make right" sounds promising. We'll see...

until a dual comes out that supports all the features available from, both formats I will stick with two stand alone units. Its bad enough knowing in this hobby that everything you buy will become obsolete, I dont need the feeling like I am buying something which already is.

until a dual comes out that supports all the features available from, both formats I will stick with two stand alone units. Its bad enough knowing in this hobby that everything you buy will become obsolete, I dont need the feeling like I am buying something which already is.

Well... if you buy two stand alones, I would say you're still buying something that is already obsolete.

Would LOVE to see a dual format player for like $499.

Got a PS3 and a XBox 360 with HD-DVD add-on.

Refuse to play the fanboy game like, uh, some.

until a dual comes out that supports all the features available from, both formats I will stick with two stand alone units. Its bad enough knowing in this hobby that everything you buy will become obsolete, I dont need the feeling like I am buying something which already is.

Probably a good arguement to avoid a dual player for several years. By then, one of the formats are likely to be gone or at the very least, studios will release in both formats so there wouldn't be any reason to have a dual player.

Okay well think about this, back when VHS was at war with Betamax, what was so different about that versus todays HD-DVD vs. Blu-ray? Most people dont think there is a lot of difference. But think about how long a VHS/Beta lasts compared to a CD, DVD, BD-ROM, or HD-DVD ROM. These discs are built now to withstand scratches and dirt. Let me also ask you this, how many DVDs have you re-purchased because you watched it too many times, or even from scratches (even though its possible)? Even IF one or all formats fail, you still have HD movies you can enjoy for the time being and should last a long time. This is the 21st century and technology changes no matter what. You can wait around forever and be missing out on HD material NOW while the rest of the people can be enjoying it for a while. And if something new comes out and you think its worth it, go for it. But the fact is theres always gonna be changes theres always gonna be improvements. And if you wait around forever you are never gonna get what you want.

Well the Samsung combo player should be nice, but from what I'm reading (the French article) is that it will not support 24fps on HD-DVD, only on Blu-ray. The article also mentions that it will be using DCDi processing instead of HQV because of cost reasons. Of course, this article could be wrong. I would get the Samsung player if it has ALL the features :)

What the LG rep said about "make right" sounds promising. We'll see...

Question is though, do you really trust the French? :p

BTW even if its released without the 24fps on HD-DVD side, they can do a firmware update just like the XA2 plans to do on that unit.

If I were you I'd get an HD-A2 and a PS3 (or cheap Samsung with firmware) and sit tight for awhile. After all, how many of you are going to be happy when you spend, say, $800 on a G2 LG, if a year later Denon or someone else comes out with a universal player? I went through that with DVD, I had a samsung DVD, then a toshiba, then a progressive scan sony, and then a Pioneer Elite with DVD-A and SACD, and then a Denon 1910, and then finally a PS3 and HD-A2. See a trend here? I'd rather not go through so many steps, and to me the competition between the two formats has put the consumer in a favorable position right now from a pricing standpoint, considering how new these formats are, so I say buy now, be happy and sit tight until more of the cards fall. But, that's just my opinion, of course.

Anyone know whether DVD-A and/or SACD multichannel will be supported? In other words, a truly universal player? That would truly be a unit worth investing in.

BTW even if its released without the 24fps on HD-DVD side, they can do a firmware update just like the XA2 plans to do on that unit.

Hey, your right! I forgot about that.... :D

Question is though, do you really trust the French? :p

BTW even if its released without the 24fps on HD-DVD side, they can do a firmware update just like the XA2 plans to do on that unit.
Maybe true, but if 24fps is technically possible for HD-DVD, why should they skip it in the initial firmware release and release it later? If it isn't possible to put in the inital release in 6 month, why should it be possible in 9 or 12 month?

The information about no 24p on HD-DVD is based only on the french article, which also states a release date of july, which is not true. Maybe they will use the extra time till the 4th quarter and make 24fps possible for both formats? IMHO they should really do that!

Maybe true, but if 24fps is technically possible for HD-DVD, why should they skip it in the initial firmware release and release it later? If it isn't possible to put in the inital release in 6 month, why should it be possible in 9 or 12 month?

The information about no 24p on HD-DVD is based only on the french article, which also states a release date of july, which is not true. Maybe they will use the extra time till the 4th quarter and make 24fps possible for both formats? IMHO they should really do that!

The reason they would skip it and release it later is the time constraints, you only have so many resources working on your project and a set timeline to release. Set backs & large requirement lists create prioritizations, this may be lower on the prioritization list and be forced into a post production fix...

Maybe true, but if 24fps is technically possible for HD-DVD, why should they skip it in the initial firmware release and release it later? If it isn't possible to put in the inital release in 6 month, why should it be possible in 9 or 12 month?

The information about no 24p on HD-DVD is based only on the french article, which also states a release date of july, which is not true. Maybe they will use the extra time till the 4th quarter and make 24fps possible for both formats? IMHO they should really do that!

Big "IF"

If 24 fps is important to you, I'd strongly recommend only buying a unit that has it working.....not one where its promised as a future upgrade.

Something to think about, if 24fps is implemented as a workaround in hardware that isn't really designed to handle it, then its very likely that it won't work as well as it should. Would you not be better off waiting for a player where it designed into the hardware system than some kind of firmware workaround????

Maybe true, but if 24fps is technically possible for HD-DVD, why should they skip it in the initial firmware release and release it later? If it isn't possible to put in the inital release in 6 month, why should it be possible in 9 or 12 month?Because it required tweaking the specs and guidelines to implement it. 24p output was not considered until BD players appeared that supported it.

Okay well think about this, back when VHS was at war with Betamax, what was so different about that versus todays HD-DVD vs. Blu-ray? Most people dont think there is a lot of difference. But think about how long a VHS/Beta lasts compared to a CD, DVD, BD-ROM, or HD-DVD ROM. These discs are built now to withstand scratches and dirt. Let me also ask you this, how many DVDs have you re-purchased because you watched it too many times, or even from scratches (even though its possible)? Even IF one or all formats fail, you still have HD movies you can enjoy for the time being and should last a long time. This is the 21st century and technology changes no matter what. You can wait around forever and be missing out on HD material NOW while the rest of the people can be enjoying it for a while. And if something new comes out and you think its worth it, go for it. But the fact is theres always gonna be changes theres always gonna be improvements. And if you wait around forever you are never gonna get what you want.

Damn ! This must be why I'm still single ! ;) :D


Athanasios

The sooner the better! Then I can get the first unit way cheaper... :)

Plan on August arrival.

Sub $1K.

That is all.

Plan on August arrival.

Sub $1K.

That is all.
Very nice. This is something I will strongly consider. Especially if it has HDMI 1.3 and a Dolby True HD decoder inside.

Plan on August arrival.

Sub $1K.

That is all.

Seems very reasonable. If it has 24 fps support on both formats and all the other bells and whistles (1.3, TrueHD, DTS-HD MA, etc.) then I'm definatley picking it over the Samsung BDP-5000! :D

If it supports the full BD-J it will not be out in August.

If it supports the full BD-J it will not be out in August.Why is that? I know that full BD-J support becomes mandatory at the end of October; I thought the implication was that it was optional until then.

No the final version wont be implemented until October.

Seems very reasonable. If it has 24 fps support on both formats and all the other bells and whistles (1.3, TrueHD, DTS-HD MA, etc.) then I'm definatley picking it over the Samsung BDP-5000! :D

Is it certain that the Samsung will NOT have these features?

I think I will definitely hold out from their gen 1 player now... :)

Is there any hard news on a G2 LG yet ?

Could it be out before the Samsung ?

I am holding out for a dual player that supports Dolby TruHD and DTS-HD MA for both HD-DVD and BluRay, over 5.1 analogue, as well as Linear PCM for BluRay and ideally, 1080/24p for both.

I doubt it. I heard the sammy is coming soon. LG probably won't release their 2nd gen until fall...