See, now I'm just confused. HD DVD is the Look and Sound of Perfect, but Blu-ray is Perfect HiDef. Is this that whole "separate but equal" movement now moving into the format war?

http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=155

See, now I'm just confused. HD DVD is the Look and Sound of Perfect, but Blu-ray is Perfect HiDef. Is this that whole "separate but equal" movement now moving into the format war?

http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=155Just makes for an easy transition for when they go format neutral. :D

See, now I'm just confused. HD DVD is the Look and Sound of Perfect, but Blu-ray is Perfect HiDef. Is this that whole "separate but equal" movement now moving into the format war?

http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=155

HD DVD: The Look and Sound of Perfect!

Blu-ray: Audio and Video Perfection!

Fox Opens PerfectHiDef.com

So fox has decided its going to start fan websites since it doesn't plan to release any movies ? :p

So fox has decided its going to start fan websites since it doesn't plan to release any movies ? :p
It isn't offer I agree with you but yeah, Fox should be concentrating on getting more discs out before worrying about websites.

So fox has decided its going to start fan websites since it doesn't plan to release any movies ?
What else are you (Fox) going to do?

No releases of movies = no fan created sites = you create a fan site = ...............

HD DVD: The Look and Sound of Perfect!

Blu-ray: Audio and Video Perfection!

Sadly, HD DVD's audio leaves much to be desired, as some of my fav releases (Serenity, Pitch Black, Grand Prix etc,) don't have "perfect" audio - lossless or PCM.

So fox has decided its going to start fan websites since it doesn't plan to release any movies ? :p

If Fox are waiting for improved security before releaseing more movies that's upto them, to imply they've chosen not to release movies, just for he hell of it, is s*** stirring for the sake of it.

Waiting a couple of months isn't such a hardship.

I thought Blu-Ray was "Beyond Hidef". I guess they had to settle for being Perfect Hidef. What's next, "Mediocre Hidef"?
Killer marketing.
J

So is it "Perfect HighDef", "TrueHD", or "Beyond High Definition"? I was confused when I saw a Blu-Ray movie say "Beyond High Definition" then right below it was another quote which said "Experience High Definition", which is it!

I don't see anything on this site that even references Fox? Why would Fox open a website that doesn't hype their own studio or titles? The link just goes to Amazon and shows releases from all studios?

That doesn't sound like something fox would do. Does the domain name trace back to Fox or something?

Fox should spend more time releasing movies and less time making catch phrases, me thinks.

Why is this in the HDTV section? Shouldn't this be in the Blu-ray Software section? We don't need a freaking blow by blow coverage of every single Blu-ray event in the main HDTV section. You guys are becoming a little freaky with the proselytization.

With Fox jumping back into the Blu-ray fray this June, it will be interesting to see how this site evolves.

So they're jumping in and out of the Blu Ray ship? Sounds like a "fair weather friend" to me.

Fox cracks me up. I guess a website about releases they haven't released is better than the releases themselves?

Why is this in the HDTV section? Shouldn't this be in the Blu-ray Software section? We don't need a freaking blow by blow coverage of every single Blu-ray event in the main HDTV section. You guys are becoming a little freaky with the proselytization.
Fox (and Disney) seems to be all the chat among the HD-DVD talking heads, so what's wrong with it being here? (See post #2 for supporting evidence...) :confused:

Yes. It is also a mirror copy of www.foxbd.com/infoSo what you are saying is that Fox spent $20 for an additional domain name to a web site that already exists??? Whoa. :eek:

So what you are saying is that Fox spent $20 for an additional domain name to a web site that already exists??? Whoa. :eek:

Yea this isn't news.

The site does a good job expaining why Blu-ray is better than HD DVD with more capacity--and then ironically Fox's latest release, Night at the Museum is a BD25 MPEG2 that is getting slammed for being a soft looking transfer with some aliasing and noticeable ringing or EE in the picture.

In addition, the extra disc space means there's room for significantly more content and special features.

The Fox web guys ought to have a chat with the people actually producing the BDs. I'm not sure the latter are aware of this fact.

Fox's work they are currently doing will pay dividends for all Blu-ray supporting studios.

Within a few months they should be back in swing and releasing many titles that were promised at CES like Independence Day, Cast Away, I, Robot, etc.

For a format so worried with unauthorized copying, copying "the look and sound of perfect" title from the competing format is such a shame. :o

Is this the best they can do? :o

Their picture is really helpfull..it shows me how much bigger HD is lol. I know what they are trying to show..but it wont make sense to j6p

See, now I'm just confused. HD DVD is the Look and Sound of Perfect, but Blu-ray is Perfect HiDef. Is this that whole "separate but equal" movement now moving into the format war?

http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=155
Could this indeed be the confirmation that Fox is going HD DVD??? :p

I'm with those who have said Fox should get their @ss in gear and get back to releasing 6-8 titles per month, rather than creating a redundant website.

Can you imagine IF HD DVD had Fox as the lone exclusive and BD had Universal as the chief BD studio spokeman....now that would be the end of HD DVD for sure!

Wow can't believe HD DVD fan guys are still discussing Fox leaving BD exclusivity, they must not have browsed the actual perfecthidef.com website.

http://www.perfecthidef.com/

kl,

but you need to understand, there was a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG thread in the BD section claiming that Universal was going neutral really soon because they took down the HD section of their web page. It went on for pages and pages, about how this was proof that Universal was going neutral.

There is enough silliness on both sides.

kl,

but you need to understand, there was a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG thread in the BD section claiming that Universal was going neutral really soon because they took down the HD section of their web page. It went on for pages and pages, about how this was proof that Universal was going neutral.

There is enough silliness on both sides.Does it change the fact that Universal is the sole HD DVD exclusive studio? No.

kl,

I dont understand your point. You were commenting on HD supporters talking about Fox going neutral because of a website, and I simply pointed that BD supporters did the same thing.

Does it change the fact that Universal is the sole HD DVD exclusive studio? No.OOOh, good point. And I wouldn't trade Fox for Universal. ;)
You forgot to add something about "another nail in the HD DVD coffin" or "10 zillion PS3 players sold" or "technically, BR is a far superior format" or any one of the other 2 quotes in the lexicon.
Good stuff.

OOOh, good point. And I wouldn't trade Fox for Universal. ;)
You forgot to add something about "another nail in the HD DVD coffin" or "10 zillion PS3 players sold" or "technically, BR is a far superior format" or any one of the other 2 quotes in the lexicon.
Good stuff.

I have found "ALL HAIL SONY And the PS3" works out very well. Now pay homage or die. your choice.

forgot to add that http://www.perfecthidef.com/ is a dumb site. And this proves it we recommend Monster Cable HDMI 400 cables

so if they are going to bed with monster cable that only means they mean to bleed me as much as they can.

forgot to add that http://www.perfecthidef.com/ is a dumb site.

agreed. I was honestly expecting something relatively similar to thelookandsoundofperfect.com...

perfecthidef.com is a joke.

Since the launch of Blu-ray, Fox released zero titles the first 5 months out, come out at Holiday season release a bunch of titles along with promising a long list of movies to be released each month over the next 6 months while declaring victory for Blu-ray all at the same time. The following month there cancelling all announced titles and back to releasing practically nothing.

Fox may be waiting on security features as everone believes and that is a problem that Blu-ray specs are not complete and other studios are all waiting on previously promised functionality.

But is that the only reason?

I doubt very much that a studio worried about piracy would rather sell nothing in a time period that is critical for the format there supporting and there investment.

If that were that concerned about there movies being copied, then why is there one release per month a brand new movie... I guess Blu-ray should be lucky there other supporting studios are also not pulling all there titles.

Fox has to much invested in this to not be releasing titles, something else is a matter!

Fox has to much invested in this to not be releasing titles, something else is a matter!

Do they? It sounds like they could change in a heartbeat. I think the only thing they have invested is pride given the big mouth comments at CES '07 and the lack of backing up their alleged support.

Do they? It sounds like they could change in a heartbeat. I think the only thing they have invested is pride given the big mouth comments at CES '07 and the lack of backing up their alleged support.

I'm not disagreeing, just re-itterating that I think its something besides just waiting on the new security functionality to cause them to pull almost everything specially as you put it after ther big mouth comments at CES.

The first 5 months of BR's launch, they released zero titles and there were no discs being pirated at that time. Then to make announcements like that and back it by pulling almost every single thing they had announced.

If pirating was that much of a concern I think other studios would also be slowing or pulling there releases faster then a large studio like Fox.

OOOh, good point. And I wouldn't trade Fox for Universal. ;)
You forgot to add something about "another nail in the HD DVD coffin" or "10 zillion PS3 players sold" or "technically, BR is a far superior format" or any one of the other 2 quotes in the lexicon.
Good stuff.

Yep I wouldn't trade Universal for Fox

Universal actually releases movies on HD DVD, Fox delays them for more of that DRM.

Fox's silence is deafening. I originally said a couple of months back that there was more to this than just security. If it was just security, wouldn't Fox have had a press release stating they were waiting on BD+ to be delivered? And the fact is, they release on SD DVD. Certainly they could have released a few lesser titles just to show their commitment. I think they are annoyed with the hacking of AACS, BD50 replication/production issues, no BD-J, etc, and they don't see the point of being in it right now, so they have decided to sit this out for a while. They have nothing to gain since sales are so small, and they can release their titles later just as easily.

This is obviously all speculation.

I think the reason for the website is to steal web search and rankings off HDDVD personally. Given the similar wording, I wonder if the metatags match up.

It doesn't feature very high at the moment with search terms, but once they start hyperlinking from other sites

I wonder why they still call BD "Beyond High Definition." Last time I checked, 1920 x 1080 is still a standard HD resolution. BD doesn't go "beyond" that.

Reminds me of Kutaragi calling the PS3 "4-D."

I think the reason for the website is to steal web search and rankings off HDDVD personally. Given the similar wording, I wonder if the metatags match up.

It doesn't feature very high at the moment with search terms, but once they start hyperlinking from other sites

I think in order for a studio to be concerned about the format war they would show some type of support by actually releasing movies not so much by preventing HD from showing up on the internet... ;)

Since the launch of Blu-ray, Fox released zero titles the first 5 months out, come out at Holiday season release a bunch of titles along with promising a long list of movies to be released each month over the next 6 months while declaring victory for Blu-ray all at the same time. The following month there cancelling all announced titles and back to releasing practically nothing.

Fox may be waiting on security features as everone believes and that is a problem that Blu-ray specs are not complete and other studios are all waiting on previously promised functionality.

But is that the only reason?

I doubt very much that a studio worried about piracy would rather sell nothing in a time period that is critical for the format there supporting and there investment.

If that were that concerned about there movies being copied, then why is there one release per month a brand new movie... I guess Blu-ray should be lucky there other supporting studios are also not pulling all there titles.

Fox has to much invested in this to not be releasing titles, something else is a matter!

How about there's about to be a significant increase in Blu-Ray disc production capacity and Fox is simply waiting for the production rampup to occur before they release a bunch of titles. Pure speculation but since you were wondering...

How about there's about to be a significant increase in Blu-Ray disc production capacity and Fox is simply waiting for the production rampup to occur before they release a bunch of titles. Pure speculation but since you were wondering...

really even if there was inside knoweledge of anything about to happen doesnt excuse leaving the rest of the format for the first 5 months and releasing zero during that time and neglecting to fill what has been promised the consumer currently by pulling previously advertised titles

Lucky other studios aint waiting for the same thing while pulling all there announced titles or Blu-ray might go under before any production ever occurs... .

Fox is waiting for BD-J to be completed. Simple as that.

What does BD-J have to do with the vast majority of cancelled titles? Most of them were catalog (presumably bare-bones) affairs:
http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/archive/January2007/08/c3814.html

I don't think the answer is "simple as that".

Or maybe, Fox scrapped all their MPEG2 encode and are doing AVC or VC1 and shifting their production on 50gigs discs... i mean i could be that, i'am pretty sure we'll know soon enought..

Fox is waiting for BD-J to be completed. Simple as that.

Does that mean no Fox titles until November? ;)

Sadly, HD DVD's audio leaves much to be desired, as some of my fav releases (Serenity, Pitch Black, Grand Prix etc,) don't have "perfect" audio - lossless or PCM.

Yeah, the audio on those titles just sucks! :)

If that were that concerned about there movies being copied, then why is there one release per month a brand new movie... The dynamics are different for day-and-date releases than catalog releases. Delaying a day-and-date title on Blu-ray might cost more sales than piracy, where delaying catalog titles doesn't have nearly that time critical factor in most cases.

I do think Fox should do more action and less talking. I think it could be argued that the Weinsteins have supported HD DVD better than Fox has supported Blu-ray, and the Weinsteins aren't that big a studio.

--Darin

I wonder why they still call BD "Beyond High Definition." Last time I checked, 1920 x 1080 is still a standard HD resolution. BD doesn't go "beyond" that.The box art for Disney's Deja-Vu Blu-ray release says:

BEYOND HIGH DEFINITION
HD PICTURE / HD SOUND

http://dvd.themanroom.com/dvd-cover.php?did=3706

I know people love to complain about the "Beyond High Definition" phrase based on the video resolution, but I think it is reasonable to have a marketing slogan that basically points out that the HD that people are generally used to (and especially were when they started using the slogan) doesn't include some things that the Blu-ray format does, like top quality sound. And the slogan could also apply to other things that go beyond the HD that people are used to, like some of the extra features.

Doesn't really seem worse than "The Look and Sound of Perfect" as far as being realistic to me, although I think that one is more corny.

--Darin

the point of the slogan is for you to remember them. so they both do the job they were ment to do as this thread proves it. everyone remembers the slogans it seems.
slogans are only meant for one thing.
can you name it?
built ram tough
more then a feeling
have a ___ and a smile
time to make the dougnuts
you cant eat just one
snap into a ____ ____
and thats just a few. when it sticks in your mind then you have a winning slogan.