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azolivas 04-29-07, 01:46 AM just purchased Sony 34" WEGAź Flat Screen HDTV (KD34XBR970). Right away noticed that the picture curves in to the left and that certain views are cut off. Also just noticed a faint black line that cuts across the screen and slowely moves from top to bottom. Any ideas? Can this be fixed or do I have to return it? Thx!
turbodood 05-05-07, 12:08 PM I just got one of these sets along with a bunch of other people on clearance myself .. basically my problem is the same as he describes. However, with teaking I believe it is tolerable on live broadcasts at least.
Where it is really bothering me is on the component inputs ... even after going into the service menu and adjusting the horizontal and vertical size it only helps a little bit.
Basically you can use a DVD player and put it in 1/2 zoom mode so you can see everything that is supposed to be there then blow it up to full screen and see that it it seems to basically just refuse to draw all the other information.
Is there some other service menu option besides hsiz and vsiz for this?
UWisconsin97 05-05-07, 12:15 PM I have no problems what-so-ever. Perfect, beautiful, stunning picture. I know I'm not helping the cause, but just letting you know you're buying an electronic, and not every unit is perfect.
turbodood 05-05-07, 12:47 PM Well I suppose you are right. Unfortunatly the unit is now discontinued, and I've got wht I got, I can either keep it or not, no exchange.
Are you saying you never even had to ever go into the service menu to adjust anything?
UWisconsin97 05-05-07, 12:59 PM Well I suppose you are right. Unfortunatly the unit is now discontinued, and I've got wht I got, I can either keep it or not, no exchange.
Are you saying you never even had to ever go into the service menu to adjust anything?
Not sure where you got it, but I can go return mine for a full refund at CC, where I bought it almost a week ago.
I've changed my picture settings, yes. I used the Avia calibration DVD to help configure some settings. I am getting ISF calibration June 9th. I cannot wait!! :)
turbodood 05-05-07, 01:08 PM I could return it to CC, what I meant was all the local stores are now out of stock and they are not getting any more.
Almost everyone has complained about the clipping problem, maybe you just haven't noticed it yet ....
UWisconsin97 05-05-07, 01:14 PM I could return it to CC, what I meant was all the local stores are now out of stock and they are not getting any more.
Almost everyone has complained about the clipping problem, maybe you just haven't noticed it yet ....
What's this clipping problem? If it's an extreme minute problem in the picture, I may not notice it. This is my second HD-CRT.
raouliii 05-05-07, 01:15 PM ......Basically you can use a DVD player and put it in 1/2 zoom mode so you can see everything that is supposed to be there then blow it up to full screen and see that it it seems to basically just refuse to draw all the other information.
Is there some other service menu option besides hsiz and vsiz for this?What screen mode are you viewing in? Zoom and WideZoom will always crop/clip parts of the video.
Have you set up your DVD player correctly? It should be set to 16:9. If you are viewing an anamorphic/enhanced for 16:9 DVD then the correct 970 screen mode is FULL.
turbodood 05-05-07, 01:42 PM Let me put it this way. I was watching a recording of a CBS program over componenet and yes I know it was HD and it was set in FULL mode. The picture basically looked like it was cropped right around the CBS logo. As you'll know if you've watched CBS HD anywhere else, there is suppose to be significant screen real estate to the right and below it. (I should say there was not none below it there was some, bot to the right it was literally right on the side of the logo)
raouliii 05-05-07, 02:31 PM The MID3 section of the service menu has vertical and horizontal, size and position parameters. They are input/resolution dependent.
VDHP, hor. position
VDHS, hor. size
VDVE, vert. position
VDVS, vert. size
Please record the parameter values, along with the input and resolution, prior to tweaking.
turbodood 05-05-07, 04:02 PM Ahh thanks raouliii. I suppose now I should apologize for the somewhat duplicate question the main 970 thread but, you know I saw this recent post with a similar problem and well this board is archived of course so its not without purpose.
It almost sounds like what you are saying is, the problem I described is because the set ships with litereally 2 layers of image cropping by default out of the box in additio n to the overscanning.
Geez have to question sony's wisdom with that one.
So here is what I don't get. In order to actually get the entire image, do you have to reduce the global setting to the point where you have borders all the way around, and then expand the resolution specific ones?
ClayPigeon 05-05-07, 04:46 PM The MID3 section of the service menu has vertical and horizontal, size and position parameters. They are input/resolution dependent.
VDHP, hor. position
VDHS, hor. size
VDVE, vert. position
VDVS, vert. size
Please record the parameter values, along with the input and resolution, prior to tweaking.
I just went though the service menu and didn't see those parameters anywhere in mid3. I just fixed my overscan tho and did some vsiz adjustments in service menu :) Like the guy who made this topic i was getting pictures got off wayyy too much. Now i adjusted with mode set to full and messed with RBLK and LBLK to get past the damn 10% overscan! thats all you might need to do! they cut the picture off like crazy on mine now i got it about 2% on the sides :) BUT when viewing 4:3 in mode normal i can't seemt o fix the overscan at all on the sides! it just cuts off and i can barely even read the number 5.
raouliii 05-05-07, 05:15 PM .......It almost sounds like what you are saying is, the problem I described is because the set ships with litereally 2 layers of image cropping by default out of the box in additio n to the overscanning.
Geez have to question sony's wisdom with that one.
So here is what I don't get. In order to actually get the entire image, do you have to reduce the global setting to the point where you have borders all the way around, and then expand the resolution specific ones?The HSIZ, VSIZ, HPOS, and VPOS should be used to size and position the raster. The MID3 adjustments are used to align the different resolutions/inputs to the raster.
I just went though the service menu and didn't see those parameters anywhere in mid3.......The parameters have been in MID3 for the DA4 chassis from the XBR800 thru the XBR960. I don't have a copy of the XBR970 service manual but assumed the settings were available. Maybe Sony now considers them redundant. MID1 parameters were not input/resolution independent in the XBR960 and earlier so MID1 will likely not help. Without an XBR970 service manual its difficult to say which settings are comparable.
turbodood 05-05-07, 08:47 PM Ok well look I need to clarify my problem a little. A full fay of watching sports and now the start of the evening primetime HD lineup is enough for me to say there is absolutely nothing wrong with the cropping on the OTA HD other than the little bit at the top and bottom, which is absically expected on any tube TV. The problem I had was just over component, and only on that one cable and device. Could it be a bad component cable?
I have a dvi to hdmi cable on order so I can test with a computer. I'm also going to see if I can borrow sombody's cable or satellite box if for little other reason than to check this out.
Anyway since I've kinda already got a headache from reading this stuff all day, I don't suppose somebody else talk about if the mid3 option even exhists before I dive back in the service menu?
Claypigeon, did you say it does not and you did the globa 2701-D vsiz one?
If you are saying your 4:3 mode is overcropped I'm afraid thats one problem I'm not having. Looks fine. Seems like these things are a mixed bag I guess.
outatime2001 05-08-07, 03:00 PM I don't know if my problem is the same as everyone else, but my KD-34XBR970 has a faint line about a fifth of the way from the top and bottom of the screen. The line seems to only be about one pixel wide and goes horizontally from one side of the screen to the other. the line seems to be more noticeable when the tv is fist turn on, and some times will flicker around for a few minutes till the tv warms up. It almost seems like the tv is having a had time getting a horizontal sync. when it is first turned on. I have only had the tv for about 4 months.
raouliii 05-08-07, 09:01 PM I don't know if my problem is the same as everyone else, but my KD-34XBR970 has a faint line about a fifth of the way from the top and bottom of the screen. The line seems to only be about one pixel wide and goes horizontally from one side of the screen to the other. the line seems to be more noticeable when the tv is fist turn on, and some times will flicker around for a few minutes till the tv warms up. It almost seems like the tv is having a had time getting a horizontal sync. when it is first turned on. I have only had the tv for about 4 months.The line that you see is very likely one of the three aperture grill support wires that are found on this type of tube. If you search this forum for aperture grill, you will find many posts on the subject. They are not a problem with your set.
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