Hi People.

It seems that on my PS3, downloaded trailers have a much better pic quality than most movies I own or rented so far (Talladega Nights is an exemple). Trailers often have richer colors and much better contrast. Actual movies tend to look overly contrasted with skin tones a bit washed out. It's as if the contrast was way too high and lowering it (on the TV) does nada.

I have a Ps3 connected through HDMI to a Toshiba 72MX196 HDTV.

Am I the only one having such an issue. Does it have to do with it the quality of the BD recordings? Are there some particular settings on the PS3 for Blu-Ray movie playback that I could change?

Games and trailers both look awesome!... but actual BD movies... :(

If your entire comparison is off of Talladega Nights... then.. no.. you're not alone in that being crappy picture quality. ;)

Try something like crank, and make sure your set is outputting in 1080i/p for Blu-ray playback.

http://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.php?p=83223&postcount=16


Hometheatrespots Chad Varnadore:



First grain is not more prevalent on smaller screen sizes than larger ones. That assumption couldn't be further from the truth. Nor should 1080i vs 1080p impact the appearance of grain. The removal of grain is never a good thing. If you personally don't want film to look like it's supposed to and are using a small enough display that the loss of detail associated with grain reduction isn't perceptible then DVD is for you or you should try lowering sharpness, adding noise reduction (available in many players), defocusing the lens, or other techniques that have the same affect of filtering. Odds are if your sharpness setting is higher than 0, you're aggravating grain on your own. But, any grain reduction is perceptible at larger screen sizes in a loss of detail and sometimes other side-effects of the filtering itself. If you think you might ever have a desire to upgrade to a larger display, you may find yourself seeing things in a much clearer light. That said, if you think a title is excessively grainy at 50". Any title. Odds are there is something in the chain that is aggravating it. Many display manufacturers over-enhance edge contrast to a degree that can't be alleviated by the user sharpness control. You have to go into the service menus to effectively turn it off. Analog conversion will compound video based artifacts. Lower bit video processing, like 8 bit video processing will also add to what is in the source. Any display more than a year old most likely falls back to 8 bit video processing and many newer ones probably still do. Inefficient deinterlacing, compounded by scaling to lower resolutions like 720p can aggravate source born artifacts as well. Of course player design and how they are setup can have as much of an impact as the displays.



Grain isn't "cleaned up" on DVD out of some preference. High definition offers, for the first time, a more complete appreciation of the look of film. DVD is just such a lossy technology that grain, like detail, is lost in the necessary filtering processes. With BD studios are opting to "show what was originally intended" because that's the whole point of higher fidelity. If you don't like something you see, a better understanding of film is in order or tweaking the video until it suits your personal taste. Unlike DVD, in many cases you're not criticizing disc authoring, you're criticizing the film itself. So if you don't like something, it's the film you don't like, not the technology.



It's not lazy of a studio not to filter grain, it's commendable. The only reason to use filters for high definition is in the case of older films where the source print has degraded over years in storage or during the films run. It could be said that it's lazy of consumers who expect everything to be plug and play. None of us have perfect display devices, whether it cost 1k or 20k. Most probably have done little, if anything to properly calibrate their displays, which even if they did, isn't a guarantee of anything. If you want to get the most out of your components you have to understand them better. To the same extent, better education of the consumer may be in order, not compromising the video to compensate for ignorance or a lack of appreciation for the dynamics of film.



I understand that some prefer the look of HD video to film. But grain is to film like brush strokes are to a painting. Naturally preserved grain shouldn't be associated with the likes of compression. If you don't understand it well enough to develop some level of appreciation, you're not going to like a lot of movies in high def, unless you learn how to remove it yourself, via better setup or the compromising methods described above. Speilberg is a huge proponent of film grain. You can expect SPR, JP, Minority Report, and many other films of his to look grainy if preserved to his satisfaction.



You can't judge a film by its trailer either. Trailers are often created aside from any tweaking done during post. And as they're less important than the film itself, they are more likely to be compromised on the discs (ie filtered or overly compressed). Trailers for Click may look less grainy. But you can be assured that the film recieved better care than the trailers. So, odds are in favor of the film being truer to what the director and DP intented.


^^ this sums it up best imo.

Dhan,

If your TV is only 720p/1080i capable, DO NOT set your PS3 to output in 720p. Leave it on auto because if you set it to 720p, your Blu-Rays will play in 480p. That's what I had happen.

If your entire comparison is off of Talladega Nights... then.. no.. you're not alone in that being crappy picture quality. ;)

Try something like crank, and make sure your set is outputting in 1080i/p for Blu-ray playback.

Talladega Night is one of the worst, But some others are also average. I rented 5 or 6 BD movies thus far so maybe I have just been unlucky or I don't have the same artistic tastes that film makers have. I own Ice Age 2 and to me the quality is really great but I would like to test with a known to have good pic quality movie with real actors. I'll try to find Crank.

I was also thinking of renting The Departed on both HD-DVD/Blu-ray to compare and see if it has something to do with my PS3. I saw a few minutes of the HD-DVD version and it looked good.

Dhan,

If your TV is only 720p/1080i capable, DO NOT set your PS3 to output in 720p. Leave it on auto because if you set it to 720p, your Blu-Rays will play in 480p. That's what I had happen.

Ouput is 1080i.

Talladega Night is one of the worst, But some others are also average. I rented 5 or 6 BD movies thus far so maybe I have just been unlucky or I don't have the same artistic tastes that film makers have. I own Ice Age 2 and to me the quality is really great but I would like to test with a known to have good pic quality movie with real actors. I'll try to find Crank.

I was also thinking of renting The Departed on both HD-DVD/Blu-ray to compare and see if it has something to do with my PS3. I saw a few minutes of the HD-DVD version and it looked good.


The movie that really sold me on the format was Blackhawk Down.

I first watched Underworld, and it didn't impress me much. (Now it does). I think it took a while to understand fully what I was looking for with the differences. Now I can't even go back to SD without gagging. It's not as drastic as VHS vs DVD, but the difference is there, and it will grow on you.

http://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.php?p=83223&postcount=16


Hometheatrespots Chad Varnadore:






^^ this sums it up best imo.

Grain is not an issue for me, it's more a question of contrast/colors that seems off...

The part about the trailers clarify things a little, thanks.

If you guys have suggestions for a good quality BD movie that I could try, feel free... ;)

The movie that really sold me on the format was Blackhawk Down.

I first watched Underworld, and it didn't impress me much. (Now it does). I think it took a while to understand fully what I was looking for with the differences. Now I can't even go back to SD without gagging. It's not as drastic as VHS vs DVD, but the difference is there, and it will grow on you.

Even with those small issues I make quite a detour (12 miles) every weekends just so I can rent movies in HD . ;)

The video store just around the corner does not rent HD movies yet. :(

Grain is not an issue for me, it's more a question of contrast/colors that seems off...

The part about the trailers clarify things a little, thanks.

If you guys have suggestions for a good quality BD movie that I could try, feel free... ;)

Check out the tier thread --> http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=753726

Anything tier 0 & 1 should be a good representation of PQ.

Also, if the problem is contrast/color you might want to check your setup, each input can probably be calibrated differently, maybe you should try the '7669' menu on a Sony BD, or a THX setup like on T2 (I think).

For live action that I have seen I recommend Casino Royale, Identity, Stranger than Fiction. All three of these were very enjoyable movies plus the PQ was great.

Get your TV calibrated or do the following...

Get a 1080P TV!!! There is a difference. Most 1080i/720p tvs are only 1366X768 or less...All 1080P TVs are 1920X1080!!! There is a difference, do not let anybody tell you otherwise! More Resolution is better! Wait and get a 1080p TV that supports HDMI 1.3a with deep color. The PS3 supports this. Most HDTVs will have this in the next 6 months. Sale your tv then and get a new HDMI 1.3a equiped one.

Make sure you are using HDMI, there is a difference between HDMI and component cables. HDMI is better on the PS3 at least.

Also make sure you have a audio receiver that can handling uncompressed PCM sound or a receiver that has HDMI 1.3a...they are now starting to come out.

1080p does matter...

Check out this link to set up your tv...

http://www.carltonbale.com/2006/11/1080p-does-matter/

Get your TV calibrated or do the following...

Get a 1080P TV!!! There is a difference. Most 1080i/720p tvs are only 1366X768 or less...All 1080P TVs are 1920X1080!!! There is a difference, do not let anybody tell you otherwise! More Resolution is better! Wait and get a 1080p TV that supports HDMI 1.3a with deep color. The PS3 supports this. Most HDTVs will have this in the next 6 months. Sale your tv then and get a new HDMI 1.3a equiped one.

Make sure you are using HDMI, there is a difference between HDMI and component cables. HDMI is better on the PS3 at least.

Also make sure you have a audio receiver that can handling uncompressed PCM sound or a receiver that has HDMI 1.3a...they are now starting to come out.

Thanks for the advice Trip.

I calibrated the TV's grayscale temp (for all inputs) to 6500k with a pretty decend gamma curve and pretty close to CIE Diagram using ColorHCFR (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=737550) and a spyder2. So far I'm really satisfied with the results as far as my set top box, HD-DVD, DVD(on ps3) and Games are concerned.

Also, my 72" Tosh is 1080p native. Inputs will only go up to 1080i but the deinterlacer is excellent on this TV. And as I said, games pic quality is really awesome on this set so it must be the movies I rent that where soso. I know 60fps rate falls down to 30fps when deinterlaced but I can assure you that Ridge Racer still is silky smooth.

Anyways I'll have to find that Blackhawk Down BD to test.

For tonight I rented the Departed on both HD formats version to see if there is any differences. If not, everything is fine!! ;)

Well I guess it was just that those movies didn't meet my tastes cause The Departed pictures were IDENTICAL (read excellent) on both Blu-ray and HD-DVD. Blu-ray version was a tad more sharp but that is most likely because HDMI inputs are better than Component inputs on my TV.

Thanks for your inputs (HDMI and Component :D).

Hi People.

It seems that on my PS3, downloaded trailers have a much better pic quality than most movies I own or rented so far (Talladega Nights is an exemple). Trailers often have richer colors and much better contrast. Actual movies tend to look overly contrasted with skin tones a bit washed out. It's as if the contrast was way too high and lowering it (on the TV) does nada.

I have a Ps3 connected through HDMI to a Toshiba 72MX196 HDTV.

Am I the only one having such an issue. Does it have to do with it the quality of the BD recordings? Are there some particular settings on the PS3 for Blu-Ray movie playback that I could change?

Games and trailers both look awesome!... but actual BD movies... :(

YEsssssssss the same hapened to me with CLICK I downloaded the trailer to my PS3 and it look AMAZING so i went and rented the movie in Blu-Ray..... and what a let down nothing near the quality i saw in the Trailer......... but dont worry go ahead and look at FlyBoys, Sahara, Casino Royale, Black Hawk Down, Tears Of The Sun, so you can see what a Blue-Ray disc REALLY LOOKS :D