I just got an email from my contact at Fox/MGM and she informs me that there should be an annoucement by the end of next week regarding the new release dates for the delayed Fox/MGM Blu-ray titles.

She also restated that we should start to see some of the rescheduled Fox/MGM titles hitting the street by Mid-June.

~Josh

I just got an email from my contact at Fox/MGM and she informs me that there should be an annoucement by the end of next week regarding the new release dates for the delayed Fox/MGM Blu-ray titles.

She also restated that we should start to see some of the rescheduled Fox/MGM titles hitting the street by Mid-June.

~Josh

Great news... looking foreward to the announcement :D

I just got an email from my contact at Fox/MGM and she informs me that there should be an annoucement by the end of next week regarding the new release dates for the delayed Fox/MGM Blu-ray titles.

She also restated that we should start to see some of the rescheduled Fox/MGM titles hitting the street by Mid-June.

~Josh

Thanks. I think I speak for everyone who doesn't loath BD when I say I appreciate your updates.

Brangelina....


fuad

I just got an email from my contact at Fox/MGM and she informs me that there should be an annoucement by the end of next week regarding the new release dates for the delayed Fox/MGM Blu-ray titles.

She also restated that we should start to see some of the rescheduled Fox/MGM titles hitting the street by Mid-June.

~Josh

Boy, I sure hope so Josh. Fox has taken a real scorching for their release schedule. Deservedly so, too. It would be great to see them turn this around.

I would also like to see them get away from using DTS-HD Master Audio, and just use LPCM.

So Josh, are you telling me I can now get rid of my SD copies of Ronin and To Live and Die in LA?

suenar es bueno

Thanks for the update. Can't wait to get some of my preorders back on track.

So Josh, are you telling me I can now get rid of my SD copies of Ronin and To Live and Die in LA?

No, just telling you what I've been told.

~Josh

YES! About damn time...

I need Man on Fire...

Great, now we can look forward to the recall of the FOX titles in June! :rolleyes:

Can they "Update" their movie pricing too. Why charge more why?

Boy, I sure hope so Josh. Fox has taken a real scorching for their release schedule. Deservedly so, too. It would be great to see them turn this around.

I would also like to see them get away from using DTS-HD Master Audio, and just use LPCM.


I wholeheartedly agree. dts-MA is currently a joke IMO. No player support and no (current) receiver support. I'll take PCM or TrueHD thank you very much Fox.

I wholeheartedly agree. dts-MA is currently a joke IMO. No player support and no (current) receiver support. I'll take PCM or TrueHD thank you very much Fox.


Do you know why they're supporting that format? Do they get royalties?

Finally. Took long enough. However I will believe it when I see it. Still waiting for 'The Graduate' and several Fox titles.

Is Borat one of the Fox releases we'll probably hear about?

Bring on Dances with Wolves!

Bring on Dances with Wolves!

...extended edition!!

About time Fox. So many good movies i'm waiting for.

I'm hoping they release Ice Age soon, was disappointed when they pulled it...

Hills Have Eyes.

You know you want it with DTSHDMA.

More importantly I hope they get the Robocop situation dealt with.
who owns the rights to Starship Troopers?

Oh man. Delays or not Robocop and Troopers would buy a lot of good will in my theater. :cool:

I await The Princess Bride myself.

robocop would make me very very happy. :)

I-Robot + DTS-MA = :D

Now if only the PS3 could decode DTS-MA :(...

Finaly!

YES!!!!!!!!!!! :D

Bring on Predator NOW :D

And I REALLY hope that the new Robocop disc will contain the Unrated cut.

Predator please Fox. :)

Edit: Oh and the 1978 version of Invasion Of The Body Snatchers would be lovely, MGM! ;)

http://bitsofnews.com/images/graphics/invasion_of_the_body_snatchers_1978.jpeg

Atleast they will be speaking about it...

Hoping to hear about Commando

Hills Have Eyes.

You know you want it with DTSHDMA.

More importantly I hope they get the Robocop situation dealt with.
who owns the rights to Starship Troopers?

Sony does.

And is comming this summer.

Waiting on True Lies since it never got released in anamorphic on dvd

Yesterday you made one post saying BR titles are coming out by the end of 07 begining of 08, after posts were made complaining about that - 5 hours later it changes to June... which is it

I just got an email from my contact with the BDA and she lists the following for release on Blu-ray in Late 2007/Early 2008. Most are Fox titles. Looks like Fox is still strong for Blu-ray.

~Josh

I just got an email from my contact at Fox/MGM and she informs me that there should be an annoucement by the end of next week regarding the new release dates for the delayed Fox/MGM Blu-ray titles.

She also restated that we should start to see some of the rescheduled Fox/MGM titles hitting the street by Mid-June.

~Josh

Yesterday you made one post saying BR titles are coming out by the end of 07 begining of 08, after posts were made complaining about that - 5 hours later it changes to June... which is it

Those are two independant situations.

First the delayed Blu-ray releases should start to be released sometime in Mid-June. (I.E. - Mr. & Mrs. Smith, etc.)

Secondly, there is a new list of movies that Sony and Fox are working on for future release on Blu-ray. They are aiming for late 2007/early 2008. That new list of movies are:

Ghostbusters 1 & 2 - Reported Earlier
24 Season 1 & 2
Cheaper By the Dozen
Elektra
Home Alone
Robots
Rocky Horror Picture Show
Romancing the Stone
Jewel of the Nile
The Sandlot
Perfect Stranger
Are We Done Yet?

I hope this clears things-up.

~Josh

Hope your right about the Mid June release Josh.

Fox titles were the reason I bought into Blu Ray. Because of the delay my PS3 has been sitting on the shelf doing nothing other than maybe playing some Oblivian. If things don't turn around soon I'm going to be selling my PS3.

I had already heard sometime in June as a posibility...so thanks for this info Josh.

Now Fox needs to bring on Man on Fire, XMen 1/2, I robot, ID4 ect :D

Waiting on True Lies since it never got released in anamorphic on dvd

True Lies is a must buy for me, almost my wife's favorite movie.

ill take starship troopers and ronin please

Star wars please :) I know its wishful thinking...

So it was ACCS key, Studio Canal is releasing title in end of may with new ACCS key, FOX seems to be in line with this change..

Common Fox, I want titles from you sooner than later. I'm boycotting Sony, buying Warner and Paramount on HD DVD, and nothing from Lionsgate interests me. That only leaves Disney.

Waiting on True Lies since it never got released in anamorphic on dvd

I wouldn't mind having True Lies at all.

I wouldn't mind having True Lies at all.


"Have you ever killed anyone ?"...................

"Yeah but they were all bad.."

"its a snow cone maker"

"It's an Espresso Machine"

"A water Heater?"

I really, really hope that political correctness is not the reason for not seeing any kind of re-release of True Lies on DVD or Blu-ray release.

"Is the truth serum working?"

"Ask me a question."

"Are we going to die?"

"Yuuup"

"It's working"

Nearly all of the above movies are on my wish list of titles I'd like to see in HD!
I'll start with:

Commando
Fly
Silence of Lambs
Predator

Then I'd like to see all Alien films & Robocop make it out. We'll go from there, please :D

If Fox could get Romancing the Stone/Jewel (2 of my fav adventure comedies), the Abyss, ID4, and I-Robot on the list, that would be a huge bonus. I have I-Robot on DVHS and it is one of the best hidef films I have in my collection. I haven't considered Invasion of Body Snatchers yet, since I recently replaced an aged laserdisc copy with the DVD, but if it was added, I wouldn't hesitate to pre-order.

The list of "A" scifi & action/war titles in their catalog is huge! How about Patton?
And I have many Fox titles on letterboxed laserdisc that are aching to be replaced. I hope Fox doesn't disappoint us.

ss9001

I really, really hope that political correctness is not the reason for not seeing any kind of re-release of True Lies on DVD or Blu-ray release.

Fox is releasing a special edition of The Siege next week on dvd, I really dont think its about political correctness. Maybe it has to do with James Cameron or something.

I cant wait for:
Hannibal
Ronin
Silence of the Lambs
Dances with wolves
Me Myself and Irene


from the stuff that was delayed

It is nearly 3 months since Fox pulled the bulk of their titles from release (including MGM).

Fox either wants to play the game or not. They should decide and tell us.

It is difficult to think of a valid justification for this delay in providing us with information.

Secondly, there is a new list of movies that Sony and Fox are working on for future release on Blu-ray. They are aiming for late 2007/early 2008. That new list of movies are:

Ghostbusters 1 & 2 - Reported Earlier
24 Season 1 & 2
Cheaper By the Dozen
Elektra
Home Alone
Robots
Rocky Horror Picture Show
Romancing the Stone
Jewel of the Nile
The Sandlot
Perfect Stranger
Are We Done Yet?

Thanks for the update on the Fox titles Josh. Can't wait to finally see Mr & Mrs Smith in HD along with some of the others they postponed.

As for the upcoming list, yuck! Nothing to get excited about. Will pick up Home Alone for my kids but that's about it.

I hope this is true, I'll be making a huge splurge on Fox titles if it is...

The Robert De Niro Ronin everyone is talking about, is that the same as the Frank Miller's novel of Ronin that Warner Bros just announced?

This lineup seems kind of lame...Meaning nothing ready catches my eye here...some good rentals for sure.


Ghostbusters 1 & 2 - Reported Earlier
24 Season 1 & 2
Cheaper By the Dozen
Elektra
Home Alone
Robots
Rocky Horror Picture Show
Romancing the Stone
Jewel of the Nile
The Sandlot
Perfect Stranger
Are We Done Yet?

I'd double dip on 24 Seasons 1 & 2. One of my favorite shows. I hope they release the season 6 BD day and date with the DVD later this year.

Ronin!

Thanks for the update on the Fox titles Josh. Can't wait to finally see Mr & Mrs Smith in HD along with some of the others they postponed.

As for the upcoming list, yuck! Nothing to get excited about.

I agree with both statements.

Not exactly quality titles there. :(

I agree with both statements.

Not exactly quality titles there. :(

Yeah the postponed titles from Fox are much more interesting and they can't come soon enough!

I agree with both statements.

Not exactly quality titles there. :(
Romancing the Stone and 24 make the grade for me, but the rest is pitiful. Elektra!? I'd rather be water boarded than to sit through that pisser again. Where are the Fox thoroughbreds? All I know is that the rest of those tired horses are headed for the glue factory. :(

Romancing the Stone and 24 make the grade for me, but the rest is pitiful. Elektra!? I'd rather be water boarded than to sit through that pisser again. Where are the Fox thoroughbreds? All I know is that the rest of those tired horses are headed for the glue factory. :(

Yes, I am a fan of 24 too. But that is a TV series, not a movie, so I wasn't really considering it as part of a movie release schedule. And as much as I enjoy 24, I don't know how much I would enjoy watching the episodes over again. Do you know how hard it would be to stop watching? I'd have to watch all 24 episodes in one sitting! :eek:

^ Very true. I watched all 5 seasons on DVD in like a month. It's so addictive.

Yes, I am a fan of 24 too. But that is a TV series, not a movie, so I wasn't really considering it as part of a movie release schedule. And as much as I enjoy 24, I don't know how much I would enjoy watching the episodes over again. Do you know how hard it would be to stop watching? I'd have to watch all 24 episodes in one sitting! :eek:
I can do it Rob. The inner voice in me, "When I'm finished with you, you're gonna wish that you felt this good again". ;)

"battery..Aziz"

"get another one..you MORON"

"I think..I..I..have another.one.."

"AZIZ"

"WHAAAAT"

:D

I wholeheartedly agree. dts-MA is currently a joke IMO. No player support and no (current) receiver support. I'll take PCM or TrueHD thank you very much Fox.

I wholeheartedly disagree. Support of dts-HD MA may indeed have been a joke up to now, but that is purely the fault of the HT manufacturers. As of this month there will start to be receivers that decode dts-HD MA tracks (e.g. Onkyo TX-SR605, etc.) Frankly, I don't want to have been sold on the huge difference in disc capacity between HD and BD just to have that extra space squandered on full bit-rate LPCM. If I would have the choice between LPCM and dts-HD MA (or Dolby lossless), I would go with the lossless compressed audio tracks any day of the week - especially if it means more bonus features or higher bit-rate video (and even if it adds a buck to the price.)

I wholeheartedly disagree. Support of dts-HD MA may indeed have been a joke up to now, but that is purely the fault of the HT manufacturers. As of this month there will start to be receivers that decode dts-HD MA tracks (e.g. Onkyo TX-SR605, etc.) Frankly, I don't want to have been sold on the huge difference in disc capacity between HD and BD just to have that extra space squandered on full bit-rate LPCM. If I would have the choice between LPCM and dts-HD MA (or Dolby lossless), I would go with the lossless compressed audio tracks any day of the week - especially if it means more bonus features or higher bit-rate video (and even if it adds a buck to the price.)

And how exactly do you intend to use the decoding capacity of the receiver with DTS-HD MA? The PLAYER will need to decode it before sending it to a receiver. At this point, having a receiver with DTS-HD MA (or other decoding) seems like a complete waste.

PS3 can send select & send bitstreams and IIRC no Blu-ray discs are yet using advanced profile since that is tied with BD-Live.

I am curious WTH is taking so long with DTS-HDMA for any player on either side. Definitely would have preferred Fox go with PCM in the meantime, though, if not indefinitely.

Mr & Mrs smith for me, but not @ anything above $25.

I better hang on to the dvds of these films just in case Fox snubs us again. Aren't they the ONLY major studio who doesn't put most of the dvd extras on their HD discs?

I really want Moulin Rouge, Alien, Notes on a Scandal, Patton, Illusionist, Die Hard and French Connection.

And how exactly do you intend to use the decoding capacity of the receiver with DTS-HD MA? The PLAYER will need to decode it before sending it to a receiver. At this point, having a receiver with DTS-HD MA (or other decoding) seems like a complete waste.

This is really the only complaint I have with my Panasonic BD 10 player. Regardless if I have a new generation receiver I still won't be able to decode DTS-HD MA tracks from the Panasonic. I believe you need HDMI 1.3 for both (the receiver will have it, the BD 10 does not.)

This is really the only complaint I have with my Panasonic BD 10 player. Regardless if I have a new generation receiver I still won't be able to decode DTS-HD MA tracks from the Panasonic. I believe you need HDMI 1.3 for both (the receiver will have it, the BD 10 does not.)

That's my understanding as well. As UxiSXRD pointed out, the PS3 may be able to send the undecoded stream to a receiver with DTS-HD MA for decoding.

This is really the only complaint I have with my Panasonic BD 10 player. Regardless if I have a new generation receiver I still won't be able to decode DTS-HD MA tracks from the Panasonic. I believe you need HDMI 1.3 for both (the receiver will have it, the BD 10 does not.)

I feel misled by this DTS-HD version crap, Panny damn well knew they didnt specify a version implying for most of to believe that this was going to be part of the firmware... I want my 1k back to put towards another player now...

Any of the BD audio formats can be sent via bitstream...if the player has HDMI 1.3 output...AND the receiver/decoder has HDMI 1.3 input.

At least, that is my understanding...correct me if I'm wrong. ;)

I hope 24 is DTS-HD. Sean Callery's score deserves it.

I really don't know how much truth is behind this Fox statement. We talk with Fox several times a week and know about their announcements well in advance and no one has said anything about these Blu-Ray titles being released soon. And if they plan on releasing them in June Fox would need to make the announcement soon since they need to give retailers at least a month to pre-order the titles. If an announcement is not made by next week there is almost no chance they will be out by June.

Any of the BD audio formats can be sent via bitstream...if the player has HDMI 1.3 output...AND the receiver/decoder has HDMI 1.3 input.

At least, that is my understanding...correct me if I'm wrong. ;)

Here is what Paidgeek just posted in the Insider's Thread:


The PS3 does not pass advanced codecs over HDMI except for Dolby THD after decoding to PCM. I don't know if this feature will be added in the future. I fully understand why members are concerned about this, but as far as I am concerned, decoding in the player to LPCM gives us the most flexibility while maintaining sound quality.

I really don't know how much truth is behind this Fox statement. We talk with Fox several times a week and know about their announcements well in advance and no one has said anything about these Blu-Ray titles being released soon. And if they plan on releasing them in June Fox would need to make the announcement soon since they need to give retailers at least a month to pre-order the titles. If an announcement is not made by next week there is almost no chance they will be out by June.

Who is "we"?

The Robert De Niro Ronin everyone is talking about, is that the same as the Frank Miller's novel of Ronin that Warner Bros just announced?

No, the Frank Miller graphic novel is about a reincarnated ex-Samurai in future New York. Gianni Nunnari is producing (300).

The Robert De Niro movie is sort of a French Connection homage. The title refers to the inference that De Niro's character is ex-CIA. Phenominal car chases, great character acting, realistic gritty vibe. Excellent flick.

Who is "we"?

He runs hddvdworld.com, sells DVD, HD DVD and Blu-Ray.

He runs hddvdworld.com, sells DVD, HD DVD and Blu-Ray.


AVSForum discount? :D

PREDATOR....thats all I'm saying ;)

Count us in for True Lies as well - it's a shame it never was anamorphicisized! Some of those are pretty good family flicks - Sandlot and Cheaper should be good.

He runs hddvdworld.com, sells DVD, HD DVD and Blu-Ray.

Thanks.

AVSForum discount? :D

We can't give discounts to AVSForum members on this forum due to regulations they have about people related to a company promoting it on the forum but if you checkout the forums on HighDefDigest.Com we have a thread where we post discount codes for Free Shipping and the such.

yes highly recommended...great prices coupled with the free shipping code off of teh forum he referenced above...ordered Blood Diamond from his site last week and if all goes well with that I can see myself ordering more from him!

And if they plan on releasing them in June Fox would need to make the announcement soon since they need to give retailers at least a month to pre-order the titles. If an announcement is not made by next week there is almost no chance they will be out by June.
Kind of off topic, but given what you've said above, I am curious if you as a retailer have heard anything regarding Disney's 6/5 slate (The Rock, Crimson Tide, & Con Air...we already know Cars is being bumped)? These titles are not available for pre-order from Amazon, and we're 5 weeks away...

I guess we'll know soon enough.

I too hope Fox starts releasing again soon. We need Master & Commander. :)

The 6/5 titles won't be coming out on 6/5 from Disney based on our last conversations with them. Disney is taking a wait and see approach much like Fox is, so you shouldn't expect too much from them other than the occasional new release for the time being. The truth of the matter is that unlike HD-DVD, which has a high attach rate at this time and is selling alot of both catalog and new releases, Blu-Ray is only selling alot of copies of new releases, which is why Fox and Disney are backing off of catalog titles for the time being.

Kind of off topic, but given what you've said above, I am curious if you as a retailer have heard anything regarding Disney's 6/5 slate (The Rock, Crimson Tide, & Con Air...we already know Cars is being bumped)? These titles are not available for pre-order from Amazon, and we're 5 weeks away...

I guess we'll know soon enough.

I too hope Fox starts releasing again soon. We need Master & Commander. :)

....Blu-Ray is only selling alot of copies of new releases, which is why Fox and Disney are backing off of catalog titles for the time being.

Can't buy them if they don't release them.

There are plenty of Fox catalog titles that I have to believe will sell VERY well. In this thread alone a good 15-20 or more titles have been mentioned. Cars was also one on my list, but I guess not now...too bad for Disney. My dollars for some older classics will have to continue to go for HD-DVD's until these studios get a clue and release.

ss9001

The 6/5 titles won't be coming out on 6/5 from Disney based on our last conversations with them. Disney is taking a wait and see approach much like Fox is, so you shouldn't expect too much from them other than the occasional new release for the time being. The truth of the matter is that unlike HD-DVD, which has a high attach rate at this time and is selling alot of both catalog and new releases, Blu-Ray is only selling alot of copies of new releases, which is why Fox and Disney are backing off of catalog titles for the time being.

I suggest that you study the detailed Videoscan report. There are some interesting differences between the two formats, but your basic claim about catalog titles is not supported by those data.

What I find is that higher-quality (IMHO) titles appear to be bought in larger numbers by HD DVD owners, while action/adventure/horror titles tend to be purchased by Blu-ray owners.

For example, I expect that the Pirates titles (which are catalog) will sell very well on Blu-ray.

The 6/5 titles won't be coming out on 6/5 from Disney based on our last conversations with them. Disney is taking a wait and see approach much like Fox is, so you shouldn't expect too much from them other than the occasional new release for the time being. The truth of the matter is that unlike HD-DVD, which has a high attach rate at this time and is selling alot of both catalog and new releases, Blu-Ray is only selling alot of copies of new releases, which is why Fox and Disney are backing off of catalog titles for the time being.

I, for one, would certainly like to see some reference as proof for this type of statement.

I, for one, would certainly like to see some reference as proof for this type of statement.
Me too, but at least take it for what it is worth. The opinion of someone who sells movies for a living (or as a hobby?).

One piece of evidence I can offer is that if you look at Disney's schedule after Pirates of the Carribean, it is new releases only according to HD-Digest (as MovieMinded mentioned) would be the case. That being said, M-squared could be looking at the same schedule and making a generalization based off of that, which is self-fulfilling.

Either way, I don't expect Disney's June 5th slate will be coming on June 5th anymore. We know at least Cars has been pushed back to "summer". The larger question, which we'll know in the next month or two is 1.)whether Fox will be back releasing titles soon 2.)will Disney now pause for a bit (for whatever reason).

This format war is starting to "smell"...

Well unlike Universal who keeps prividing HD-DVD owners with great catalogue titles. Look what we with blu-ray have to contend with. 1 out of every 10 catalogue title is worth mentioning. I will not buy most of the crap that is out on blu-ray. Look how well Planet Earth is doing, and that is a friggin documentary. Don't blame us blu-ray adopters for your lack of sales. We bought into blu-ray's hype about being technologically better and more studio support....but without movies to buy, the promises mean nothing and you are cutting your own throats.

2cents from a disgruntled blu-ray owner

Well unlike Universal who keeps prividing HD-DVD owners with great catalogue titles.

How quickly people forget.

It was just over a month ago that the most die hard HD-DVD fanatics were saying that they feared their format was going to lose the war, and this was shown by the fact that Universal and others had not made any announcements regarding new releases.

Now Blu-ray supporters are starting to feel the same way.....

I agree with Esox50, this war smells.

How quickly people forget.

It was just over a month ago that the most die hard HD-DVD fanatics were saying that they feared their format was going to lose the war, and this was shown by the fact that Universal and others had not made any announcements regarding new releases.

Now Blu-ray supporters are starting to feel the same way.....

I agree with Esox50, this war smells.

If there is a problem with either format then yes its surporters should complain. It would be a mistake to just sit there and make excuses why getting screwed by these companies.

How many people have spent $500 - $1,000 on BR players based on the titles promised the first half of 2007 by Fox and Disney?

I say any studio fully has the right to watch how there own products progress and adjust accordingly but they need to actually provide what they promised first!!!

I just can't say that strongly enough, if they want to stop releasing catalog titles then fine do that but after putting out what they already announced. These players are expensive and many have purshased based on these announcements.

Its bad enough that many have been patient enough for 3 months now thinking theres a stall due to security but to find out now that it was just a decision really just craps all over the consumer and these really bogus pompous public new announcements that made at CES.

They could have had most of the promised titles out by next month and then decided to change policies now it just looks like they felt the need to promise 80% at large tech conventions that they never planned on releasing. I cant wait to hear next years announcements, they'll probably be the same titles being promised again all while claiming the war is over again.

Me too, but at least take it for what it is worth. The opinion of someone who sells movies for a living (or as a hobby?).

One piece of evidence I can offer is that if you look at Disney's schedule after Pirates of the Carribean, it is new releases only according to HD-Digest (as MovieMinded mentioned) would be the case. That being said, M-squared could be looking at the same schedule and making a generalization based off of that, which is self-fulfilling.

Either way, I don't expect Disney's June 5th slate will be coming on June 5th anymore. We know at least Cars has been pushed back to "summer". The larger question, which we'll know in the next month or two is 1.)whether Fox will be back releasing titles soon 2.)will Disney now pause for a bit (for whatever reason).

This format war is starting to "smell"...

I dont mind if newer schedules alter what percentage new vs catalog titles change but I do mind a studio promising 6 months of specific movies having how many people run out and buy players because of this and then say naaa I changed my mind....

If this is true about Disney I dont think it is a good thing but I also wouldnt think of it as blantantly lying to consumers and then breaking all promises and expecting all of the supporters to just smile and say its ok... well wait till next year for more movies.

Oh well I'm actually leaving for Disney in a few hours should I leave my complaint and each of the rides in the theme parks while i'm there?

No, the Frank Miller graphic novel is about a reincarnated ex-Samurai in future New York. Gianni Nunnari is producing (300).

The Robert De Niro movie is sort of a French Connection homage. The title refers to the inference that De Niro's character is ex-CIA. Phenominal car chases, great character acting, realistic gritty vibe. Excellent flick.

Thanks for clarifying that up BZiggyZ.

And to rub salt in the no-blu Fox blues, here's this announcement from digitalbits:

"Fox and MGM are also re-releasing a number of catalog sci-fi and action DVDs on 6/5 with new lenticular covers (SRP $14.98 each), including Alien, Aliens, Alien vs. Predator, The Abyss: Director's Cut, I, Robot, Predator, RoboCop and Independence Day. Also coming from the studios are 2-disc SE re-releases in new "SteelBook" metal covers (SRP $22.98 each), including Cast Away, The Day After Tomorrow, Die Hard, Fight Club, Hannibal, Man on Fire, Platoon, The Omen and X2: X-Men United."

Maybe blu's to follow, or maybe they are just going to milk the DVD teat some more. Some on this list were supposed to have been released, have been postponed, or already have HD versions available from the DTheater days.

So, what's up Fox?

ss9001

I, for one, would certainly like to see some reference as proof for this type of statement.

Well, wait a few weeks. If they don't show up, he was right. If they do, he was wrong.

Well, wait a few weeks. If they don't show up, he was right. If they do, he was wrong.
Does this make your stomach turn too? :rolleyes:

:rolleyes: I think he was referring more to the statement that we wouldn't be seeing much other than day & date releases from disney going forward. I think everyone is now resigned that Disney's June 5th slate is delayed/cancelled.

What has happened to BD studios...I don't know what to beleive anymore...just release the damn movies. I went neutral for this BS. All the talk at CES has proven to be complete BS. Man did we ever get suckered in. :mad:

Does this make your stomach turn too?

I'm not sure I understand the question.

What has happened to BD studios...I don't know what to beleive anymore...just release the damn movies. I went neutral for this BS. All the talk at CES has proven to be complete BS. Man did we ever get suckered in. :mad:

It's all a big PR tug-O-war. After late May/early June, Buena Vista seems to quiet down and Universal picks up steam. Seeing as Fox is MIA after Night at the Museum, it's leaving Sony alone to carry the torch. And they missed a HUGE window by not releasing Spiderman 1 & 2 this week. I don't think we'll see anything too exciting until Sept.

What has happened to BD studios...I don't know what to beleive anymore...just release the damn movies. I went neutral for this BS. All the talk at CES has proven to be complete BS. Man did we ever get suckered in. :mad:

I'll wait and see how much truth is to all of this, even I dont want to be that negative to think of Disney doing the same as Fox. I

But if this is true I would totally have to agree and say this is BS and I went neutral totally based on getting missed title releases promised by Fox & Disney. If it is true maybe we autta just mail these people are players back at that point...

Both camps are letting the market down. HD DVD has had some major disk problems. And BD ... well, I'll just say that I bought the Panasonic player at a whopping $900 so I'd be in a position to play the good stuff when it arrived. Now, it's not even "Coming Soon".

That's a lot of money for a machine that plays "Eight Below" and "Invincible" maybe once a month.

My DTheater deck is looking pretty good right about now.

Both camps are letting the market down. HD DVD has had some major disk problems. And BD ... well, I'll just say that I bought the Panasonic player at a whopping $900 so I'd be in a position to play the good stuff when it arrived. Now, it's not even "Coming Soon".

That's a lot of money for a machine that plays "Eight Below" and "Invincible" maybe once a month.

My DTheater deck is looking pretty good right about now.

No problems here on the HD side and I do have each of the 2 movies in question causing people problems. Just seeing that something so upsurd as boiling a disc is fixing the issue tells me people are not cleaning the disc right in the first place if these problems are occuring. I use a plastics cleaner on all discs for both formats before playing but I do think the HD discs are more sensetive then the BR discs.

I do however think completly pulling all movies promised for a half a years time frame is not even in the same ball park as problems on these 2 titles for some people.

I'd also agree that my Panny will be quiet useless if Disney also stops releasing titles

The studios (regardless of affiliation) want customers to ante up for players to create an "installed base", and then to purchase whatever titles they deem worthy (regardless of whether or not they have already shipped multiple times and played in hd on cable).

Fox is disappointed with the response that their mediocre titles received in February. And Universal is probably not going to be thrilled with the response that their mediocre titles receive either.

Universal is doing a terrific job of shipping a lot of medicre titles (The Jerk? Nutty Professor? give me a break). But where are the titles from their catalog that would drive adoption? Many of them are stuck waiting for Steven Spielberg to provide "director participation" I think the phrase is.

Sony stated a few weeks ago that Da Vinci Code would not be released until next year in order to wait for more customers who fit the demographic for the film. My guess is that this is also why Lawrence/Gandhi/Natural/Kwai/Navarone have been held up. Well, I have news for them: the studios have to pony up FIRST in order to get the customers to adopt. I thought Sony would understand this, but they are as clueless as the rest.

With a format war going on, it is very hard to get customers to buy either format. I finally know one person who owns a nextgen player besides me (my boss, I bought it for him when he asked me to build an HT system for him. Snuck it in!) So Eight Below came with his Panasonic Blu-ray player, and that is the only title he owns, because nothing else interests him right now.

If these studios end up with either format being viable and a source of new sales, it will be thanks to early/middle adopters and not to anything the studios have done.

As long as FOX & Disney release the major titles by Christmas, all will be well with blu-ray. Retailers and studios have to know that the money, the sales, will increase dramatically when only one format remains. Most retailers are starting to make the shift to blu-ray. And I do not think Wal*Mart will go through with the purchase of 2 million hd-dvd players. After J6P makes his choice in dvd players, he's next going to look at content. J6P is not interested in 75-100 various hd-dvd titles and wait out for the remaining studios to turn neutral. J6P is interested in 5, maybe 10 this holiday season. That's where blu-ray shines. The top 5 movies of 2006 are *all* blu-ray exclusives. 4 of the top 10 of 2007 so far are blu-ray exclusives, with Spiderman 3, Pirates 3, and The Simpsons added in. No hd-dvd exclusives appear in the top 10 of '06 or so far in '07. Oh, and J6P certainly will not put up with washing hd-dvd discs.

Just get the major titles released by Christmas, the format war should be all but over, *then* we'll all start seeing the wave of releases. It's just going to take a little time, and a little faith that Wal*Mart will have the sensibility not shift the tides into a neck & neck race.

Just get the major titles released by Christmas, the format war should be all but over...

Wanna bet?

Wanna bet?
Well, sure if you look at one of my sentences, without the sentence that follows it...

Blu-ray, hd-dvd, I don't really care. I own a PS3, but have no problems buying a hd-dvd player later on. But I do want one format to win, and to win immediately. And blu-ray's in the better position to do so. So until definite confirmation is here that the Wal*Mart hd-dvd players are coming, I'm going to continue being optimistic that the war should be all but over by Christmas.

Otherwise, we'll have millions of capable players of both formats in people's hands, how is the format war ever going to end, if this happens?

J6P is not interested in 75-100 various hd-dvd titles and wait out for the remaining studios to turn neutral. J6P is interested in 5, maybe 10 this holiday season. That's where blu-ray shines.

DVDEmpire.com currently shows 200 releases for HD DVD and 226 for Blu-ray so your statement isn't exactly correct. The total films for each format are roughly the same.

They also show 76 titles available for HD for pre-order vs 63 for BR.

PS - if you include (region free) foreign titles I would speculate HD DVD has more titles available

just blame the pirates on this, they're the one who found a way to defeat AACS which is why causing all the delays to implement BD+

As long as FOX & Disney release the major titles by Christmas, all will be well with blu-ray.

Let's just hope none of these titles require the new BD-J specification for their interactive features - or did I miss the announcement of a player that will actually meet these new specs. ?

Well, sure if you look at one of my sentences, without the sentence that follows it...

Blu-ray, hd-dvd, I don't really care. I own a PS3, but have no problems buying a hd-dvd player later on. But I do want one format to win, and to win immediately. And blu-ray's in the better position to do so. So until definite confirmation is here that the Wal*Mart hd-dvd players are coming, I'm going to continue being optimistic that the war should be all but over by Christmas.

Otherwise, we'll have millions of capable players of both formats in people's hands, how is the format war ever going to end, if this happens?

People keep referring to the rumored WalMart deal as the HD-DVD saviour. Toshiba has stated they plan on selling 3 million players in fiscal year 07. That is a BOLD statement. Toshiba isn't as bad about blowing smoke up people's a$$es as Sony (not saying that don't). If they legitimately think they can achieve this, they definitely have something up their sleeve for later this year. I think we will see more cheap players besides this Wal-Mart deal. Maybe even some incredible package deals.

I still get a kick out of it when people actually think this war is close to over. Will studios go neutral? I don't know. But unless Sony subsidizes the cost of players drastically this year (and screw their CE partners while doing so) HD-DVD will be making up a lot of ground and start negating the "PS3 effect". People aren't going to pay $500+ for a player, no matter how good it is.

Hope I don't sound like a fanboy. This is just how I see it. BD gives me a reasonably priced player I'll buy one. Until then, I'll enjoy my HD-DVD and continue to just look at the blue cases at the store.

What has happened to BD studios...I don't know what to beleive anymore...just release the damn movies. I went neutral for this BS. All the talk at CES has proven to be complete BS. Man did we ever get suckered in. :mad:
dont tell me you believed that graph they showed everyone they showed that graph to like 2040 indicating how blu ray is gonna surpass everything in sight.

Hope I don't sound like a fanboy. This is just how I see it. BD gives me a reasonably priced player I'll buy one. Until then, I'll enjoy my HD-DVD and continue to just look at the blue cases at the store.

i think you speak for alot of regular folks in society its a toss up on economics right now
900 dollar blu ray player VS. Gas for the next 5 months :D

dont tell me you believed that graph they showed everyone they showed that graph to like 2040 indicating how blu ray is gonna surpass everything in sight.I don't beleive anything the BDA saids...they have a proven track record of total BS. I just want the movies now! ;)

Just get the major titles released by Christmas, the format war should be all but over

No it won't. If the format war has taught us anything, it's the unpredictability and unreliability of any and all prognostications. The next 7-8 months is a VERRRYYYY long time in the format war, and many tactical and some strategic moves are yet to be made by both sides.

Well, I have news for them: the studios have to pony up FIRST in order to get the customers to adopt. I thought Sony would understand this, but they are as clueless as the rest. If these studios end up with either format being viable and a source of new sales, it will be thanks to early/middle adopters and not to anything the studios have done.Well put.

I do however think completly pulling all movies promised for a half a years time frame is not even in the same ball park as problems on these 2 titles for some people.I hear ya ... and your point is valid. But for the record, I own about 15 HD DVD's. Of those, two never play correctly on my HD-A1. "Eagles" and "JT Musicares" both skip everytime. Plus, I returned "The Good Sheppard" to Amazon because it wouldn't play. And COM from Netflix (brand new disk) wouldn't play either. That's four disks that I want to watch that won't work.

I had thought that FW 2.1 - 2.2 had helped. And posted so. But alas, I spoke too soon. Still get drops and pauses on both the music disks mentioned.

So to me, there have been ... and continue to be ... problems with HD DVD that I find unacceptable.

God knows, neither format is perfect.

EDIT: And BTW, I just ordered an HD-XA2 in the hope that the problem disks I own will play properly. So once again, I'm putting my HD DVD money where my mouth is. But if the disks in question don't play without pauses/skips, that machine is going back.

I agree with many comments here, that the studios on both sides have disappointed many early adopters. That being said, however, at THIS point in the game, the BD side has let us down more. Look at what WB has accomplished compared to Fox and they are Format Neutral. Fox & Sony-owned studios are the main reason that I bought both formats. Fox in particular for all their great action/adventure/scifi/war movies.

With the exception of WB, most of the studios seem to be playing a chicken-egg game with wanting more installed base but not providing the main titles to entice more to buy the format. Are these studios really that timid?

ss9001

So far, there hasn't been any kind of announcement from Disney regarding delaying any of the 6/5 titles. So, why don't we give them a chance to respond before we all start freaking out? I've got a call into my contacts at Disney and expect to have a response by Monday.

Originally Posted by jwv651
What has happened to BD studios...I don't know what to beleive anymore...just release the damn movies. I went neutral for this BS. All the talk at CES has proven to be complete BS. Man did we ever get suckered in.


:rolleyes:I meant every word I said...and there are many others that feel the same but won't admit it. I said the same thing about HD DVD during their dry spell. Just release the Movies. ;)

So far, there hasn't been any kind of announcement from Disney regarding delaying any of the 6/5 titles. So, why don't we give them a chance to respond before we all start freaking out? I've got a call into my contacts at Disney and expect to have a response by Monday.
We'll look forward to your report, and thanks for doing that. But you gotta admit that it isn't looking good. As someone else said, retailers are usually given around a month plus notice so that they can order. We're at the 1-month mark right now, and there's not been a peep AT ALL on the 6/5/07 titles.

The question remains, is this just a small delay, or are they pulling everything but the day & date titles (much like Fox did)?

The 6/5 titles won't be coming out on 6/5 from Disney based on our last conversations with them. Disney is taking a wait and see approach much like Fox is, so you shouldn't expect too much from them other than the occasional new release for the time being. The truth of the matter is that unlike HD-DVD, which has a high attach rate at this time and is selling alot of both catalog and new releases, Blu-Ray is only selling alot of copies of new releases, which is why Fox and Disney are backing off of catalog titles for the time being.

Originally Posted by Rob Tomlin
I, for one, would certainly like to see some reference as proof for this type of statement.


Well, wait a few weeks. If they don't show up, he was right. If they do, he was wrong.


Oversimplify much?

:rolleyes:

I agree, I bought into Blu Ray because of the Fox titles, that is why I am so pissed at beatboy77 with his Consolidated List of Future Blu-ray Releases sticky thread, it still list the Fox titles coming out this May and he knows they are not, it is like giving us false hope they are still coming.

its true...i poasted a bit in that thread pointing this out, but he is so stuck on making BD look better then it is he insists on keeping his "wish list" as a TBA list or "May releases".

Oversimplify much?

Ummm...no.

:rolleyes:

WOW, what happened to this thread? Can we please have the HDDVD supporters and the fake neutral folks (you know who you are) go back to the HDDVD section? You bought into HDDVD with one exclusive studio because of all the smoke the M$ crew blew up your a$$es and now you are complaining that Blu-ray is not delivering titles just cause one studio (FOX) decided to go on a temporary vacation? The hypocrisy is so thick you can cut it with a knife. This thread is proof that these guys will say and do anything just to keep their sinking format afloat. You HDDVD guys should be more worried whether or not any of next week's releases will play in your subpar quality hardware.At this time I am a lot happier with HD DVD being they are releasing what they said they would...and get off your HD DVD fanboy BS...most of us are neutral and just want what was promised from the BDA which by the way is a total mess. If you take off you binders you might see what most others see. :rolleyes:

WOW, what happened to this thread? Can we please have the HDDVD supporters and the fake neutral folks (you know who you are) go back to the HDDVD section? You bought into HDDVD with one exclusive studio because of all the smoke the M$ crew blew up your a$$es and now you are complaining that Blu-ray is not delivering titles just cause one studio (FOX) decided to go on a temporary vacation?

A-frickin'-men! While a lack of Fox releases is disappointing, they're far from the only studio putting out movies on BD. In fact the others are putting out better and more consistent quality too. ;)

At this time I am a lot happier with HD DVD being they are releasing what they said they would...and get off your HD DVD fanboy BS...most of us are neutral and just want what was promised from the BDA which by the way is a total mess. If you take off you binders you might see what most others see. :rolleyes:

Talk about wearing blinders. Where's Shawshank Redemption? Where's Harry Potter And The Goblet Of Fire? Where's Twister? The first two of those are listed in every Warner HD DVD flyer I've seen as coming "Summer 2006." As for Twister, it originally had an April 2006 street date. Where in the hell are those Warner titles? And where's Dracula '31 and Frankenstein '31, Universal said both of those were coming out in 2006 at CES 2006. Get the picture? It's not just Fox that isn't keeping their promises.

I just get sick and tired with all this fanboy BS...and TwinTurboZX is one annoying member who has one way binders on...as I stated before I also complained about the dry spell with HD DVD. I JUST WANT WHAT WAY PROMISED. Why is that so bad?

Hey man, I totally agree with you on the software, after all that's what a format is for, CONTENT. I just don't like people villainizing the Blu-ray studios when the same thing happens on the other side. Specially when there are 5 exclusive studios on Blu-ray compared to 1 for HDDVD. Who knows what FOX is doing or thinking but they will eventually release those titles soon than later since it's in their best interest to do so.

Also, why am I annoying to you? If you don't like reading positive blu-ray posts in the BLU-RAY forum then don't come over here. I never set foot in the HDDVD forum cause I don't care what goes on with M$-DVD and their band of brainwashed followers. It's really simple.

Ummm...no.

:rolleyes:

So, if the Fox titles don't show up on 6-5-07, this is proof that " Blu-Ray is only selling a lot of copies of new releases, which is why Fox and Disney are backing off of catalog titles for the time being"?

So, if the Fox titles don't show up on 6-5-07, this is proof that " Blu-Ray is only selling a lot of copies of new releases, which is why Fox and Disney are backing off of catalog titles for the time being"?

Ummm, no. It doesn't prove anything, as far as I'm concerned. You asked for proof of another member's comment. I merely stated that if what that member stated came to pass, then it could be said that he was right.

Lastly, I will no longer respond to this badgering style of posting. I, and most members here, want only to discuss the Blu-ray format and the various aspects of studio and CE company support. A few members are making that very difficult to do. Posts reported to mods.

the studios have to pony up FIRST in order to get the customers to adopt.


Absolutely agree with this...

Talk about wearing blinders. Where's Shawshank Redemption? Where's Harry Potter And The Goblet Of Fire? Where's Twister? The first two of those are listed in every Warner HD DVD flyer I've seen as coming "Summer 2006." As for Twister, it originally had an April 2006 street date. Where in the hell are those Warner titles? And where's Dracula '31 and Frankenstein '31, Universal said both of those were coming out in 2006 at CES 2006. Get the picture? It's not just Fox that isn't keeping their promises.
But Universal and Warners are releasing titles now. What has Fox released in the last 2 months, aside from Eragon and Night at the Museum?

Can we follow forum rules and Challange the info not the poster?

Hey man, I totally agree with you on the software, after all that's what a format is for, CONTENT. I just don't like people villainizing the Blu-ray studios when the same thing happens on the other side. Specially when there are 5 exclusive studios on Blu-ray compared to 1 for HDDVD. Who knows what FOX is doing or thinking but they will eventually release those titles soon than later since it's in their best interest to do so.

Also, why am I annoying to you? If you don't like reading positive blu-ray posts in the BLU-RAY forum then don't come over here. I never set foot in the HDDVD forum cause I don't care what goes on with M$-DVD and their band of brainwashed followers. It's really simple.

He's format neutral (as am I), he has a right to be here. And calling one side brainwashed with a sig like that is laughable.

So, if the Fox titles don't show up on 6-5-07, this is proof that " Blu-Ray is only selling a lot of copies of new releases, which is why Fox and Disney are backing off of catalog titles for the time being"?

Ummm, no. It doesn't prove anything, as far as I'm concerned. You asked for proof of another member's comment. I merely stated that if what that member stated came to pass, then it could be said that he was right.

Lastly, I will no longer respond to this badgering style of posting. I, and most members here, want only to discuss the Blu-ray format and the various aspects of studio and CE company support. A few members are making that very difficult to do. Posts reported to mods.


The phrase that I put quotes around ("Blu-Ray is only selling a lot of copies of new releases, which is why Fox and Disney are backing off of catalog titles for the time being") was exactly the other member's comment that I was asking proof for.

You missed the point, and apparently thought I meant that I wanted proof that the Fox and Disney titles wouldn't be showing up on 6-5. You felt the need, for some reason, to state the obvious by saying "If they don't show up, he was right. If they do, he was wrong".

Well yes, you are correct about that. Obviously. But it wasn't what I was asking for proof of. I would have thought that was obvious. Apparently it wasn't. My bad..

Ok enough