Carnage is formed by an offshoot of the original symbiote. If they were to use the sample in Connor's lab, I'm assuming it would turn into Carnage.
With all due respect, if you knew this was the origin of Carnage, why'd you say "My opinion is that THAT would be a "cheap trick". Venom is Venom because of Eddie Brock." when I suggested that the sample in Connors's lab might attach itself to someone else (I used a student or janitor as examples?)

I just want to be clear in saying that I'm not demanding the films be mirror images of the comics, far from it. In fact a direct translation of the comics would likely be more corney and ridiculous than SM3 was.

The organic webshooters was a great move, although we need to give credit where credit is due. Jim cameron came up with that change in his original treatment. In fact, he had them splooge all over Peter's sheets like a wet dream.
I agree about the change to organic webbing being a good choice. I was actually commenting to my wife yesterday before we saw part 3 that that was one of the changes I really agreed with. It's one thing to suspend disbelief when it comes to the powers and villans, etc. It's another to have to buy that the kid is a great photographer and a world-class scientist capable of inventing a web fluid capable of supporting his body weight (and much more) while in high school, with no money.

I had no idea that Jim Cameron came up with that. It makes you wonder what the movie(s) would have been like with him behind the wheel.

For anyone interested, the SM3 game is pretty cool. Some of the levels are difficult and frustrating, but keep at it.

It's also neat to see Dr. Connors finally transform into the lizard. In the game there's a whole plague of lizard men in the sewers which is fun.

I've only just got my black suit so there's no Venom stuff yet, but I'm anctiously anticipating it.

The PS3 version is the one to get because it has an exclusive unlockable where you can replay the game as New Goblin.

Another thing that bothered me was how Harry took a pumpkin bomb to the face and lived with only scarring, while everyone else apparently vaporizes?


You're forgetting Spider-Man took one to the face in the original and just got his already-torn mask a little more torn. The fanboy explanation of the day was they came in different grades.

Regarding Venom, I'm hoping they can bring back Topher/Brock. As long as some good survived it would probably retain Brock's essence since they were in contact during the explosion. They'll be permanently bonded now, however, and more alien. Opening the door for Venom to start speaking "we" like I've seen him do in the past. Not sure what's going to help him regenerate though. Cosmic storm?

For anyone interested, the SM3 game is pretty cool. Some of teh levels are difficult and frustrating, but keep at it.

It's also neat to see Dr. Connors finally transform into the lizard. In the game there's a whole plague of lizard men in the sewers which is fun.

I've only just got my black suit so there's no Venom stuff yet, but I'm anctiously anticipating it.
Damn. I was going to hold off until it was a little cheaper, but I may have to buckle and pick it up. The first two were great, so I'm sure this one's a winner.

With all due respect, if you knew this was the origin of Carnage, why'd you say "My opinion is that THAT would be a "cheap trick". Venom is Venom because of Eddie Brock." when I suggested that the sample in Connors's lab might attach itself to someone else (I used a student or janitor as examples?)


I agree about the change to organic webbing being a good choice. I was actually commenting to my wife yesterday before we saw part 3 that that was one of the changes I really agreed with. It's one thing to suspend disbelief when it comes to the powers and villans, etc. It's another to have to buy that the kid is a great photographer and a world-class scientist capable of inventing a web fluid capable of supporting his body weight (and much more) while in high school, with no money.

I had no idea that Jim Cameron came up with that. It makes you wonder what the movie(s) would have been like with him behind the wheel.
I don't know; I find it even less likely a kid with no money could create multi-thousand dollar suit instead of just using pajamas or tights like the comics. To me, that's a bigger leap, and I really miss the ingenuity of the Spider-Man character. I guess they figure Batman has done the gadgest to death, so no web shooters, no spidey-tracers, nothin'.

The organic webshooters took a lot of power away from the black suit IMO since that was to be something new for Spider-Man when bonded with the symbiote. The mechanical webshooters always gave SM a bit more of a limitation too since he'd run out of fluid or they'd jam, making him think on his feet. He's also been able to use the cartridges as weapons. And the idea was the spider-bite somehow gave him knowledge of what enzymes to combine to make the fluid. He could always sneak into a chem lab to experiment. I don't know who's engineering those suits for him.

With all due respect, if you knew this was the origin of Carnage, why'd you say "My opinion is that THAT would be a "cheap trick". Venom is Venom because of Eddie Brock." when I suggested that the sample in Connors's lab might attach itself to someone else (I used a student or janitor as examples?)
Because we were speaking in context of Venom coming back. Since the sample in Connor's lab never came into contact with Eddie Brock, there's no possible way it could become Venom.
I agree about the change to organic webbing being a good choice.....I had no idea that Jim Cameron came up with that. It makes you wonder what the movie(s) would have been like with him behind the wheel.
It was originally going to debut in 1986, but it got caught up in a rights SNAFU. Then it got set up over at Carolco in 1995, but it went bankrupt over Cutthroat Island.

Here's Jim's script:
http://www.scifiscripts.com/scripts/spidermanscriptment.txt

Damn. I was going to hold off until it was a little cheaper, but I may have to buckle and pick it up. The first two were great, so I'm sure this one's a winner.
It's pretty much exactly like them, only better. At first I was a little dissapointed by this, but it is refined to the Nth degree. The webslinging is perfect now and the city looks amazing in HD.

Unfortunately clips from the movie aren't in there, just CGI representations. There are a ton of offshoot missions too.

Sandman was much better used in the Cameeron treatment, they should of used it more.

As for the picture it looked very soft (saw it projected digitaly on a brand new set up) the Colombia logo looked sharp and stunning and so did the main titles.
After that the image was very soft but showed up the bad effects work, so I expect all the haters to come out of the woodwork complaing about the BRD transfer

As for the picture it looked very soft (saw it projected digitaly on a brand new set up) the Colombia logo looked sharp and stunning and so did the main titles.
After that the image was very soft but showed up the bad effects work, so I expect all the haters to come out of the woodwork complaing about the BRD transfer

What are you talking about? I don't understand..........

Didn't look that soft to me and I saw it on a 80ft screen from fairly closeup. Looked fairly close in detail to the online HD trailers I've seen. Probably not as much "3-D pop" as the other two films though.

Final weekend numbers:

$151,116,516

Final weekend numbers:

$151,116,516

That is an AMAZING box office :)

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=2308&p=.htm

It looks like Word of Mouth is very good on it too....

I tell ya, Sony should announce that it is releasing Spidey 3 in Blu-ray first ;)

The numbers are crazy. I just saw the movie, though, and I can honestly say that if I don't have a Blu-ray player by the time this is released, I'm not going to care all that much because I wasn't impressed. I wish they had used the Lizard as the only villain and given Harry more of a cohesive role.

The funniest part is that the second place movie took in 5 mil.

I don't know; I find it even less likely a kid with no money could create multi-thousand dollar suit instead of just using pajamas or tights like the comics. To me, that's a bigger leap, and I really miss the ingenuity of the Spider-Man character. I guess they figure Batman has done the gadgest to death, so no web shooters, no spidey-tracers, nothin'.

The organic webshooters took a lot of power away from the black suit IMO since that was to be something new for Spider-Man when bonded with the symbiote. The mechanical webshooters always gave SM a bit more of a limitation too since he'd run out of fluid or they'd jam, making him think on his feet. He's also been able to use the cartridges as weapons. And the idea was the spider-bite somehow gave him knowledge of what enzymes to combine to make the fluid. He could always sneak into a chem lab to experiment. I don't know who's engineering those suits for him.

Seriously, you think that it's more likely a teenager could design and make something that no other genious has come even remotely close to achieving never mind on a compact scale and become as good as he has with his webbing than make a shiny suit?
:eek:

Many, many will want Blu Ray after blockbuster after blockbuster is released. Moreso as the library of blockbuster films grows for Blu Ray. If Spiderman III is a $1billion dollar movie, no matter what the HD DVD naysyers here say, the film, the trilogy will help sell Blu Ray in a BIG way!

I saw it projected on film at the Grant Plaza in NE Philly, it looked terrible-muddy black levels, soft. But I latched onto the Best Buy Spidey 3 promo disc, and the picture looked absolutely gorgeous. I'll check this one out again on Blu-Ray for sure.

I saw it projected on film at the Grant Plaza in NE Philly, it looked terrible-muddy black levels, soft. But I latched onto the Best Buy Spidey 3 promo disc, and the picture looked absolutely gorgeous. I'll check this one out again on Blu-Ray for sure.

Even my wife has started to notice that our BDs at home look better then the movie theatres do. Those projectors will never look as good as 1080p on a 60" screen.

Seriously, you think that it's more likely a teenager could design and make something that no other genious has come even remotely close to achieving never mind on a compact scale and become as good as he has with his webbing than make a shiny suit?
:eek:
Yep, thanks to him being a genius already and having his mind enhanced by the spider bite.

Unless he owns a textile plant, I don't see how he can make the fancy suit. He isn't Tony Stark. The Spidey suit is a far cry from say, the Reeve supersuit, which would still take a decent seamstress to produce, but is basically tights and a cape.

I guess it's a suspension of disbelief thing. We're supposed to think they're crappy tights, the way they look when they're laying around-- not the muscle-enhanced high-tech, super-expensive fabric it really is (and looks like!) when he wears it. The Oakley lenses alone would cost a pretty penny, and for as much as the suit gets damaged? Peter Parker doesn't have two nickels to rub together, but he can keep himself in fancy suits? Yeah, using the NYU lab to synthesize web formula is more believable to me.

At least in Batman, Bruce Wayne is a billionaire and its explained how he gets a hold of such an expensive outfit.

Funny how the only superhero movie in recent history where the lead pulled off simple tights with a printed design was The Phantom with Billy Zane. Too bad it was a bit of a flop. I liked it, Treat Williams aside. He really wasn't any cheesier than the worst moments of the Spider-Man flicks.

I guess the coming weekends will tell a lot about how Spidey 3 will be judged. I'm surprised at all the backlash I've heard against it. Then again, I wasn't nuts about the first two at all. Campy and heavy-handed. I strongly prefer 3, flaws and all. At least Spidey managed to defeat some villains instead of just letting them kill themselves. It could benefit from a 3 hr. extended cut for sure. Too much time on the dull leads, not enough time with the interesting villains and supporting characters. At least Peter Parker had a personality with the black suit, rather than just being the same old dork he was in high school. So much for the character evolving like he has over the years in the comics. I'd love to see an extended cut on Blu-ray, but that will be a double or triple dip for sure.


Dunst and Maguire will try to hold Sony up for huge wads of cash for Spidey 4 (though what else has Maguire been doing?). Dunst has no value; they could probably write her out or replace her. Maguire isn't really worth the dough either. Maybe they'd spring for one more with him. They should probably let the franchise fester a while and reboot with new actors and a new director, but the studio will want the money too bad. The fact that I enjoyed the film despite still disliking the leads (though I enjoyed West Side Tobey) and concluding that Raimi can't move a camera (or not move it) to save his life is a filmmaking achievement in its own right. It amazes me how I always find every character other than the leads far more likeable and dynamic.

If they bring back the symbiote without Eddie, it would be carnage. If they wanted a venom spin off, they could easily say that he merged with the symbiote and it regerated.

But for the Spiderman series, IMO, he's finished. There are a bunch of villans they could use, without rehashing old enemies.

1) Dr Conners could find that the symbiote has regerative properties, and merges it with Lizard DNA to create a syrum to help people regrow lost limbs.

2) The Left over Symbiote could turn into carnage.

3) Joker, Catwoman, penguin, riddler, two face, ivy, mr freeze, Bane, scarecrow, Ra's Al Ghul.... There are endless enemies to face. No need to bring back Venom, doc oc, or Green Goblin 1.

For the Haters, dont be too nitpicky. This may not be the Best Spiderman movie... but this movie was good overall. Its making a Ton of money. And when a sequel is made, it will make a ton of money too.

Its been six years, I cant believe that people still gripe about the organic webshooters. Obviously it cant be changed now.

I did not pay ten dollars to see an EMO kid dance around the streets.

I did not pay ten dollars to see an EMO kid dance around the streets.
But "Raindrops Keep Falling on My Head" (freeze-frame and all) was great? All in all, I found this film far less groan-inducing than the first two. Perhaps the novelty has finally worn off for all the fans who were so eager for Spider-Man movies that they gobbled up whatever they got. I really don't think the first film was good at all, the second marginally better but full of its own problems (hypochondriac Spider-Man = lame, invincible headed, the tentacles-made-me-do -it Doc Ock). At least this one had some life to it and better villains.

And I only payed $7, including the $1 convenience fee (which turned out to be a waste since it wasn't crowded or sold out; I could have just bought the ticket there).

Early matinee, my friend. Learn it, live it, love it.

But "Raindrops Keep Falling on My Head" (freeze-frame and all) was great?

If there was one thing I wanted to smack Raimi for in Spiderman 2......

I would spazz out if Wolvie was in Spider-Man 3, that would be so badass.
This is what I would love to see in a crossover movie:

Ghost Rider + Gambit + Wolverine in New Orleans against the Brood, just like in the Danny Ketch Ghost Rider comics... + a little bit of Spidey. :D

Yep, thanks to him being a genius already and having his mind enhanced by the spider bite.
His spider-enhanced super-brain only exists in yours. Nowhere, ever in the history of the Spider-Man mythos has this ever been said/written/eluded to.
Unless he owns a textile plant, I don't see how he can make the fancy suit. He isn't Tony Stark. The Spidey suit is a far cry from say, the Reeve supersuit, which would still take a decent seamstress to produce, but is basically tights and a cape.

I guess it's a suspension of disbelief thing. We're supposed to think they're crappy tights, the way they look when they're laying around-- not the muscle-enhanced high-tech, super-expensive fabric it really is (and looks like!) when he wears it. The Oakley lenses alone would cost a pretty penny, and for as much as the suit gets damaged? Peter Parker doesn't have two nickels to rub together, but he can keep himself in fancy suits? Yeah, using the NYU lab to synthesize web formula is more believable to me.
Talk about taking things too literally. It is supposed to be exactly like the Superman suit in that it's just "crappy" tights. The fact that Sam Raimi went the extra mile to make it look better than that has no impact whatsoever on the reality established in the film.
At least in Batman, Bruce Wayne is a billionaire and its explained how he gets a hold of such an expensive outfit.

Funny how the only superhero movie in recent history where the lead pulled off simple tights with a printed design was The Phantom with Billy Zane. Too bad it was a bit of a flop. I liked it, Treat Williams aside. He really wasn't any cheesier than the worst moments of the Spider-Man flicks.
Ok, I need to stop you right there because The Phantom was EMBARASSINGLY bad, especially the suit with his retarded striped panties. it was one of the worst FILMS ever made, let alone one of the worst superhero films.

If they bring back the symbiote without Eddie, it would be carnage. If they wanted a venom spin off, they could easily say that he merged with the symbiote and it regerated.

But for the Spiderman series, IMO, he's finished. There are a bunch of villans they could use, without rehashing old enemies.

1) Dr Conners could find that the symbiote has regerative properties, and merges it with Lizard DNA to create a syrum to help people regrow lost limbs.
That's an excellent point. I wouldn't be surprised at all if that is their plan.
2) The Left over Symbiote could turn into carnage.
That's what I'm hoping, but we need a director who actually likes the character this time.
3) Joker, Catwoman, penguin, riddler, two face, ivy, mr freeze, Bane, scarecrow, Ra's Al Ghul.... There are endless enemies to face. No need to bring back Venom, doc oc, or Green Goblin 1.
I'm assuming this is a joke? :confused:

Having read the original Spiderman comics as a kid and having a subscription at the time to boot, I love these films.

I like Dunst as MJ and Tobey is the prefect Peter Parker......a nerd.....not super muscle-bound.....just the regular Joe from Queens.

After waiting through the multiple Batmans and Superman flics I can tell you that I was very excited when Hollywood latched on to the Marvel characters and especially Spiderman.

To see these characters come off the comic pages and portrayed on the big screen is a real thrill for me.

They are not perfect, but I love them nonetheless. I will never convince someone who dislikes the genre or franchise, whether they are true comic fans or not, but you know what......the numbers speak for themselves.......looking forward to all three on Blu-ray and hoping for a Spiderman 4.

"Raindrops keep falling on my head" was funny.........it would have been a hoot if in 3 Peter was strutting to "Staying Alive"........ :D

"Raindrops keep falling on my head" was funny.........it would have been a hoot if in 3 Peter was strutting to "Staying Alive"........ :D
HAHA! I was thinking that. It was very Staying Alive-esque. Wonder why they didn't spring for the music?

His spider-enhanced super-brain only exists in yours. Nowhere, ever in the history of the Spider-Man mythos has this ever been said/written/eluded to.

Wrong. What I said in my previous post was stated in an episode of the Fox animated series and most likely other tellings. When recounting his origin to a little girl he talks about making the web fluid and believing the spider-bite must have somehow infused him with the knowledge of what enzymes to combine.

Thanks for playing.

I think I already covered the suit stuff pretty well. I think we're supposed to believe its tights over muscle, but much like the new Superman costume I don't (though I come closer to believing with Superman). And all the press reports about the stolen suits when they made the first movie, and the fact they each cost like $2,000 or something didn't help.

Perhaps if the actor actually looked fit like Spider-Man underneath the suit I could have bought it. It should have been the actor selling the costume, not vice-versa. That's why The Phantom works fine for me. The hero is believable. Much like Reeve as Superman. And campy as Treat Williams was, at last he didn't wear a Power Rangers villain's costume. There are probably more cheesey lines in Spider-Man though. No matter how crappy some elements of some superhero films might be if the lead works at least some of it is enjoyable. To me the hero is the movie, and if he doesn't cut it...

I give the Spider-Man films the edge over Superman Returns, but most other superhero movies I get a lot more enjoyment out of. But 3 is fun, so it's elevated the franchise a bit for me. I find Maguire and Dunst a total bore to watch. But black-suit Spidey was entertaining, if not quite what was expected.

Wrong. What I said in my previous post was stated in an episode of the Fox animated series and most likely other tellings. When recounting his origin to a little girl he talks about making the web fluid and believing the spider-bite must have somehow infused him with the knowledge of what enzymes to combine.
The comics have been around since the 60s. The cartoon you're using as your reference was shown on Fox Kids in the mid-90s. Ever think that they may have just altered/embellished the backstory to make it a little more plausible (or at least fit better with their stories,) rather than sticking with canon?

FWIW - I've never seen/read/heard any reference to spider-enhanced intelligence (in regards to the web shooters or otherwise) being a part of his powers. It was always explained in the comics (to my knowledge) that he was a genius in the field of science and that was how he was able to invent the web-shooters and fluid.
Thanks for playing.
:rolleyes:

You sure seem cocky for someone citing a Fox Kids cartoon as his reference material.

I saw that series a couple of times and I sure don't remember anything like that. And Sam Raimi, a super-huge Spidey fan obviously never heard of it either because he flat out stated in the first Spidey press conference that it didn't make sense.

As far as saying the illusion of the film is ruined because the Spidey suit is so cool.....that's certainly a first.:confused:

The mechanical webshooters always gave SM a bit more of a limitation too since he'd run out of fluid or they'd jam, making him think on his feet. He's also been able to use the cartridges as weapons.Right. And though it's cool, the boy-genius being the first inventor of super-glue (you heard it here first), I really had no issue with them not keeping to that.




If there was one thing I wanted to smack Raimi for in Spiderman 2......Sure, it was a bit corny, but not at all jarring like the ludicrous jazz-club scene.

It is just a movie. Is it so hard to just enjoy a movie for 140 minutes and suspend belief in reality? Every movie and TV shows has things that aren't realistic.

That's what I'm hoping, but we need a director who actually likes the character this time.

The problem with Carnage, is that he is not a deep charactor. he is just some phsyco murderer that Spiderman has to stop. It will be hard to create a scenario in which the audience sympathizes with Spiderman or carnage's plight.

Unless they make Kassidy the real killer of Uncle Ben =)

It is just a movie. Is it so hard to just enjoy a movie for 140 minutes and suspend belief in reality? Every movie and TV shows has things that aren't realistic.

Boy, you must have loved Steel, Batman & Robin, Superman the Quest for Peace, Daredevil, Electra, Catwoman, Fantastic Four, Ghostrider, Mask part 2, and Blade 3

Those are some pretty mediocre super hero movies (haven't seen them all though so just assuming).

Some might add The Phantom, Hulk, The Shadow, Darkman, and Spider-man 3. I wouldn't though.

The problem with Carnage, is that he is not a deep charactor. he is just some phsyco murderer that Spiderman has to stop. It will be hard to create a scenario in which the audience sympathizes with Spiderman or carnage's plight.

Unless they make Kassidy the real killer of Uncle Ben =)

Why should we feel for carnage's plight. I would rather have the audience revil him and hope that either Venom or Spidey kills/puts him away for good (being that Venom hates Carnage more then he hates spidey)

Just came out of the imax theatre. Here is my quick and dirty review...the movie was ok.

Anyway...I though in imax they suppose to give you that funny 3D glass to wear? When I was watching spiderman 3...they didn't give me any glass? Why is that?

Because it's not in 3D.

The last 20 minutes of Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix will be in 3D, though.

I really am not a fan of the first movie in the series, but I think the second is easily one of the better films in recent years. It felt very choesive and the pacing of it was just excellent. This film felt jittery and incoherent, like it didn't know how to balance out the soap opera with the action. I thought the personal struggles between Peter and Mary Jane was phenomenally written and directed and I almost wished this weren't even a Spider-Man movie because I thought that took away from what was actually a really well-made character piece.

I thought the part where he decides to get rid of the venom suit was pretty abrupt. It's like he decides to jump out his window & get rid of it in a church for some reason.

Because it's not in 3D.

The last 20 minutes of Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix will be in 3D, though.

then wtf they are showing this movie in an imax theater than? to rip ppl off by payinng an extra $6?

man i could have watch this in an regular theater just fine. what a rip off.

anyway...yeah they could cut out some of the corny musical scenes and added more details about venom and tieing up loose end.

then wtf they are showing this movie in an imax theater than? to rip ppl off by payinng an extra $6?

man i could have watch this in an regular theater just fine. what a rip off.The idea of showing movies in IMAX is that the screen is much, much bigger than a screen at the local multiplex, and the sound is usually better, too.

The idea of showing movies in IMAX is that the screen is much, much bigger than a screen at the local multiplex, and the sound is usually better, too.

yeah the screen maybe bigger...but even though i was sitting in the center area of the theater...i still have to look up and the seat is uncomfortble..i cant lean all the way back...kinda strain my neck and legs.

but the surround sound was better....at some point in the movie when the telephone was ringing on the left side..i actually though it was someone's phone in the theatre.

i do see some "grain" in this movie. i dont think it will be a top tier in the blu-ray list in this forum in term of pq.

ps stacy gwen or whatever her name is...she looks better than mj in this movie...peter should have dump mj and go with stacy gwen instead.

yeah the screen maybe bigger...but even though i was sitting in the center area of the theater...i still have to look up and the seat is uncomfortble..i cant lean all the way back...kinda strain my neck and legs.

but the surround sound was better....at some point in the movie when the telephone was ringing on the left side..i actually though it was someone's phone in the theatre.

i do see some "grain" in this movie. i dont think it will be a top tier in the blu-ray list in this forum in term of pq.To avoid neck-strain, sit dead center about 3-4 rows from the top. And you will definitely see grain in an IMAX movie, as the frames are blown way up during conversion to the larger format. What you get at home will probably look much different. Unless you have an IMAX projector.

yeah the screen maybe bigger...but even though i was sitting in the center area of the theater...i still have to look up and the seat is uncomfortble..i cant lean all the way back...kinda strain my neck and legs.

but the surround sound was better....at some point in the movie when the telephone was ringing on the left side..i actually though it was someone's phone in the theatre.

i do see some "grain" in this movie. i dont think it will be a top tier in the blu-ray list in this forum in term of pq.

ps stacy gwen or whatever her name is...she looks better than mj in this movie...peter should have dump mj and go with stacy gwen instead.

There's no good boobage scenes in this one. disappointing. I'd smash both of them.

There's no good boobage scenes in this one. disappointing. I'd smash both of them.


yeah if they show a major nekid boobage scene either on mj or stacy in this movie...i would give it a higher rating.

Lol after reading and taking part in this thread all I can think is that we all must sound like the comic book guy from the simpsons.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/7/79/The_Simpsons-Jeff_Albertson.png/222px-The_Simpsons-Jeff_Albertson.png

I saw it today. After knocking it earlier for it's mediocre reviews, I noticed a number of people had positive things to say, so I checked it out.

First of all, the reviews IMO are grossly unfair, which was also a passing thought I had in an earlier posting. They set a extremely high standard for the film. Rotten Tomatoes gives it a 61% and the Cream Of The Crop (known repsected reviewers) a 45%, with about an average two star rating.

NO way is this a "two star" movie. There are a half dozen action pieces that are to a lesser or greater degree outstanding. Perhaps none of them are quite as involving as the clock-tower-train sequence from the second film, but a few are awfully close, and like I said, there are a half dozen of these masterful action pieces. To me, that alone is worth AT LEAST the price of admission.

The script had it's ups and downs. The acting was fine for me, as good as the other pictures.

Whereas to me there was a sense that Spiderman 2 was a continuation of Spiderman 1, this movie had a different feel. Some have said it's darker. That's true, but I also felt that Raimi wanted this to be the Spiderman epic. The scope of the movie is very large, and was difficult for Raimi to get his hands around it. There were a number of continuity errors as well as out-of-the-blue plot points made for convenience in order to explain motivations. And the pacing was off - comic elements felt like they appeared in the wrong places and the wrong reasons.

So ok, it was flawed, but it was an epic nonetheless. And it is worthy of substantially better than the 61% Rotten Tomatoes rating.

I am not a Blu-ray supporter, but would recommend the movie to anyone who hasn't already seen it. This is all just an opinion, FWIW.

I don't think "grain" in the movie theater will translate to a BD version. I find that the BD versions of films are much better PQ-wise than the theater versions.

from what i read here...the "grain lovers" here in this forum said, blu-ray transfer should keep everything including the grains.

I saw it today. After knocking it earlier for it's mediocre reviews, I noticed a number of people had positive things to say, so I checked it out.

First of all, the reviews IMO are grossly unfair, which was also a passing thought I had in an earlier posting. They set a extremely high standard for the film. Rotten Tomatoes gives it a 61% and the Cream Of The Crop (known repsected reviewers) a 45%, with about an average two star rating.

NO way is this a "two star" movie. There are a half dozen action pieces that are to a lesser or greater degree outstanding. Perhaps none of them are quite as involving as the clock-tower-train sequence from the second film, but a few are awfully close, and like I said, there are a half dozen of these masterful action pieces. To me, that alone is worth AT LEAST the price of admission.

The script had it's ups and downs. The acting was fine for me, as good as the other pictures.

Whereas to me there was a sense that Spiderman 2 was a continuation of Spiderman 1, this movie had a different feel. Some have said it's darker. That's true, but I also felt that Raimi wanted this to be the Spiderman epic. The scope of the movie is very large, and was difficult for Raimi to get his hands around it. There were a number of continuity errors as well as out-of-the-blue plot points made for convenience in order to explain motivations. And the pacing was off - comic elements felt like they appeared in the wrong places and the wrong reasons.

So ok, it was flawed, but it was an epic nonetheless. And it is worthy of substantially better than the 61% Rotten Tomatoes rating.

I am not a Blu-ray supporter, but would recommend the movie to anyone who hasn't already seen it. This is all just an opinion, FWIW.

I'm sorry but you are wrong, this is a terrible movie. 2 1/2 hours of emo-cliche and about 20 minutes of action. And waaayyy too many songs courtesy of Dunst. At least scrawny MJ got beat-down, although I am surprised her brittle face-bones didn't collapse. Thats movie-magic for you!
Instead of a cool, wise-cracking, ingenius crime-fighter, they made him into a wet stool that needs to cry to his friends to help him out. Shame on the Sony idiots for ruining one of my favourite childhood characters.

I would recommend people burn effigies of Spiderman outside their local cinema and spit in the faces of anyone involved in making this film.
Just an opinion, but a correct one, nonetheless

from what i read here...the "grain lovers" here in this forum said, blu-ray transfer should keep everything including the grains.

Don't go against the grain, you'll never win.

Don't go against the grain, you'll never win.

that's what im saying to the poster above me that said blu-ray version of this movie would get rid of grains.

I'm sorry but you are wrong, this is a terrible movie. 2 1/2 hours of emo-cliche...

i read on yahoo message board that everyone is saying peter parker look like EMO. wtf is emo? is it one of the character from sesame street?

then wtf they are showing this movie in an imax theater than? to rip ppl off by payinng an extra $6?

man i could have watch this in an regular theater just fine. what a rip off.

anyway...yeah they could cut out some of the corny musical scenes and added more details about venom and tieing up loose end.
Because it's on 70mm film instead of 35mm film and on a 70 ft. wide screen. It's as close to HD as can expect in the theater. SM3 was not as impressive as other films I have seen in IMAX.

As for why Spidey decided to rip the symbiote off in a bell tower when in this version he has no idea sound hurts him....yeah I wondered the same thing. Man this film is sloppy!

i read on yahoo message board that everyone is saying peter parker look like EMO. wtf is emo? is it one of the character from sesame street?

I was using it in a different context - emotional story cliche. Like Emo-rock. Maybe we only use that slang in the UK? I don't know who they are referring to either hahaha. Probably Emo Philips, the comedian, he had kind of droopy, long, black hair. If it is Emo from Sesame street then that would be pretty amazing and inexplicably hilarious.
I just did a search for pictures of Emo, first page - Sesame Street porn, those poor kids.

RE: Grains
Yeah, I know, I just find all this discussion of film grain pretty funny.

Took my wife out today and saw Spiderman 3...
man... this movie must be the worst superhero movie ever made on film. Too much cliches and cutesy-wootsie stuff. I like the frist two Spideys but this one is not worth watching over and over IMO. The action scenes are nice but nothing to write home about. I would have liked it if it was a tad darker but this installment is a flat out sellout. Definitely not one movie that will make me want to go out and buy a Blu-ray player. Just my 2 cents...

I'm sorry but you are wrong, this is a terrible movie. 2 1/2 hours of emo-cliche and about 20 minutes of action. And waaayyy too many songs courtesy of Dunst. At least scrawny MJ got beat-down, although I am surprised her brittle face-bones didn't collapse. Thats movie-magic for you!
Instead of a cool, wise-cracking, ingenius crime-fighter, they made him into a wet stool that needs to cry to his friends to help him out. Shame on the Sony idiots for ruining one of my favourite childhood characters.

I would recommend people burn effigies of Spiderman outside their local cinema and spit in the faces of anyone involved in making this film.
Just an opinion, but a correct one, nonetheless

Just your opinion and incorrect.....because MY opinion is the correct one! :)

Took my wife out today and saw Spiderman 3...
man... this movie must be the worst superhero movie ever made on film. Too much cliches and cutesy-wootsie stuff. I like the frist two Spideys but this one is not worth watching over and over IMO. The action scenes are nice but nothing to write home about. I would have liked it if it was a tad darker but this installment is a flat out sellout. Definitely not one movie that will make me want to go out and buy a Blu-ray player. Just my 2 cents...

Just the opposite.....my family enjoyed it. Can't wait to view this and the other two on my PS3!

Everyone is entitled to thier own opinions, nothing wrong with that. No, the movie was not perfect. None of them are. However in my view it was entertaining and the special effects were very good.

As for why Spidey decided to rip the symbiote off in a bell tower when in this version he has no idea sound hurts him....yeah I wondered the same thing. Man this film is sloppy!

It was a coincidence. Just like Brock being at the church at the same time Spiderman was above. Pure coincidence/fate.

Just the opposite.....my family enjoyed it. Can't wait to view this and the other two on my PS3!

Everyone is entitled to thier own opinions, nothing wrong with that. No, the movie was not perfect. None of them are. However in my view it was entertaining and the special effects were very good.

Agreed, not a perfect movie, but I enjoyed Spidey 3 and will definitely buy it when it's released on Blu-ray.

Agreed, not a perfect movie, but I enjoyed Spidey 3 and will definitely buy it when it's released on Blu-ray.
Hopefully in a box set with the other two... :D

Hopefully in a box set with the other two... :D

This is sony we're talking about. First will be the barebones. Then the "superbit" then then the 2 disc version, then the boxset :D

This is sony we're talking about. First will be the barebones. Then the "superbit" then then the 2 disc version, then the boxset :D

Don't forget
"Spiderman 3.2.4.6 rev. A, limited director's final unrated cut B-spec Type-R 'webslinger edition'"

Emo looks more like the grudge look from the early 90's...which I couldn't stand.

I'm sorry but you are wrong, this is a terrible movie. 2 1/2 hours of emo-cliche and about 20 minutes of action. And waaayyy too many songs courtesy of Dunst. At least scrawny MJ got beat-down, although I am surprised her brittle face-bones didn't collapse. Thats movie-magic for you!
Instead of a cool, wise-cracking, ingenius crime-fighter, they made him into a wet stool that needs to cry to his friends to help him out. Shame on the Sony idiots for ruining one of my favourite childhood characters.

I would recommend people burn effigies of Spiderman outside their local cinema and spit in the faces of anyone involved in making this film.
Just an opinion, but a correct one, nonetheless

I wouldn't say "Shame on Sony" More like "Shame on Sam Raimi" instead for writing this garbage...The Raimi brothers,wrote the screenplay. The Smallville writers,wrote the sequal...but Sam Raimi directed both....The poison is in the writing. Sam screwed it up. Don't blame Sony.

Don't forget
"Spiderman 3.2.4.6 rev. A, limited director's final unrated cut B-spec Type-R 'webslinger edition'"

lol, so true

I wouldn't say "Shame on Sony" More like "Shame on Sam Raimi" instead for writing this garbage...The Raimi brothers,wrote the screenplay. The Smallville writers,wrote the sequal...but Sam Raimi directed both....The poison is in the writing. Sam screwed it up. Don't blame Sony.
I've heard/read that the studio insisted that Raimi crowbar Venom and Gwen Stacy into the story he already planned to make. If this is true, the blame falls squarely on the shoulders of the Sony execs. It's not like it would be the first time - interference from execs who think they know better than the creative people is practically a time-honored tradition in Hollywood.

The story goes that Avi Arad from Marvel insisted on including Venom, and Raimi was lukewarm to the idea...

The story goes that Avi Arad from Marvel insisted on including Venom, and Raimi was lukewarm to the idea...
I haven't heard that, but maybe he suggested Venom instead of Sandman leading Raimi to decide to have his cake and eat it too.

I'm sure there's plenty of blame to go around, but ultimately Sam Raimi was in charge of this production and if at any time he didn't want Venom in the movie he could have said "get another director", at which point there is a 100% chance that opposing forces would have backed down.

He chose not to do that, so it's perfectly valid to blame him.

Here is an advanced review that was written on IGN just before the release of Spider-man 3. This guy loved it and gives his reasons.

http://movies.ign.com/articles/782/782381p1.html

I've heard/read that the studio insisted that Raimi crowbar Venom and Gwen Stacy into the story he already planned to make. If this is true, the blame falls squarely on the shoulders of the Sony execs. It's not like it would be the first time - interference from execs who think they know better than the creative people is practically a time-honored tradition in Hollywood.

Don't matter,Sam Raimi wrote a terrible movie,it's plain and simple.He should have left out Gwen Stacy since she seemed to be "filler" or more like "Fan Service" Gwen Stacy should have been in the first one and ended with MJ at the door.

And for the I TOLD YOU SO file:

"The big surprise in the FoxNews.com report is word that one character who appears to die in Spidey 3 might return for Spidey 4. "It turns out I may not be completely dead," the unnamed actor who plays the unspecified character revealed."
http://movies.ign.com/articles/784/784823p1.html

Don't matter,Sam Raimi wrote a terrible movie,it's plain and simple.He should have left out Gwen Stacy since she seemed to be "filler" or more like "Fan Service" Gwen Stacy should have been in the first one and ended with MJ at the door.
It "don't matter," huh? :rolleyes:

First of all, I disagree with your assertion that the movie's terrible. One man's trash is another man's treasure and all that...

Second of all, it's obvious you don't understand the power that the studios can, will, and do exert over their movies, especially the big ones that rake in tons of dough. This movie may have had one director, but it was created - every step of the way - by committee. From the costumes to the casting to the final shooting script, it all had to be approved by the studio. As much as they may like or respect Raimi, it's still their baby (<cough>cashcow<cough>) and they'll do with it as they please.

And for the I TOLD YOU SO file:

"The big surprise in the FoxNews.com report is word that one character who appears to die in Spidey 3 might return for Spidey 4. "It turns out I may not be completely dead," the unnamed actor who plays the unspecified character revealed."
http://movies.ign.com/articles/784/784823p1.html
Maybe it's Uncle Ben... :D

It "don't matter," huh? :rolleyes:

First of all, I disagree with your assertion that the movie's terrible. One man's trash is another man's treasure and all that...

Second of all, it's obvious you don't understand the power that the studios can, will, and do exert over their movies, especially the big ones that rake in tons of dough. This movie may have had one director, but it was created - every step of the way - by committee. From the costumes to the casting to the final shooting script, it all had to be approved by the studio. As much as they may like or respect Raimi, it's still their baby (<cough>cashcow<cough>) and they'll do with it as they please.

"I stuck up for you in high school, now I'm gonna kick your ass"... yea ok, that's some great dialogue there. :rolleyes: By the villian turned best friend,turned villain,turned best friend again who's bulter finally speaks up after the $hit hits the fan...Why didn't he say something earlier??? The Uncle Ben killer was thrown in there (probably by your Sony Execs) Every time Spider-Man was shown he always took his mask off when ever possible...What if someone saw him? It'd be all over! Yea ok, I'm going to stand over a huge crowd in my honor with my mask off...brillaint! About as brillaint as PP hitting MJ. Your right, This trash is your treasure...makes the first 2 look bad.

"I stuck up for you in high school, now I'm gonna kick your ass"... yea ok, that's some great dialogue there. :rolleyes: By the villian turned best friend,turned villain,turned best friend again who's bulter finally speaks up after the $hit hits the fan...Why didn't he say something earlier??? The Uncle Ben killer was thrown in there (probably by your Sony Execs) Every time Spider-Man was shown he always took his mask off when ever possible...What if someone saw him? It'd be all over! Yea ok, I'm going to stand over a huge crowd in my honor with my mask off...brillaint! About as brillaint as PP hitting MJ. Your right, This trash is your treasure...makes the first 2 look bad.
I have no interest in either defending why I enjoyed the movie or attempting to covince you that you should like it. Couldn't care less. In your opinion, it's a terrible movie. I don't share your opinion. Nuff said.

I am seriously shocked that anyone actually enjoyed this movie. It made the first two look bad indeed. Venom was barley in it. And Tobey M. is a terribly bad at portraying a bad guy. Had so much potential but did not live up to any expectations.

I don't even remember the black suit changing Peter Parker's personality..In issue #300 of Amazing Spider-Man, MJ talks Peter Parker out of wearing the black suit and he takes it off saying running around with the same suit as that maniac makes him feel uncomfortable also,and then MJ pulls out the red & blue costume that's an imitation saying that it seems "like an old friend" and he swings away in the city with his red & blue suit on....That's how Spider-Man 3 should have ended!

...And Tobey M. is a terribly bad at portraying a bad guy...

yeah tobey doesnt have that capablity of playing a bad guy like jack nicholson, or matt damon in the departed. i think he should stick with playing the nice guy in a movie for the rest of his life.

I am seriously shocked that anyone actually enjoyed this movie. It made the first two look bad indeed. Venom was barley in it. And Tobey M. is a terribly bad at portraying a bad guy. Had so much potential but did not live up to any expectations.

I posted and asked this twice to all you #3 haters and never got any response so I will ask you one more time...what the hell is so special about 1 and 2? The gay green goblin costume or the fat ass Doc Oops? I don't see the appeal? I disliked the first two but I loved the third. I said this before and I will say it again...i hope they release all three together in a set ONLY...see how many people pick up 3 on BD then :)

I posted and asked this twice to all you #3 haters and never got any response so I will ask you one more time...what the hell is so special about 1 and 2? The gay green goblin costume or the fat ass Doc Oops? I don't see the appeal? I disliked the first two but I loved the third. I said this before and I will say it again...i hope they release all three together in a set ONLY...see how many people pick up 3 on BD then :)
Because the first two films have real and believable dramatic arcs. Regardless of how you personally feel about costumes and physical fitness, this is what made the first two films work so well. #3 feels like 4 issues of the comic ripped apart and glued together to make a hodgepodge that not only doesn't make any sense but includes all kind of silly BS that RUINS THE CHARACTERS! If you are content with just seeing stuff blow up then fine, but don't chastise the ones that want a bit more.

Although there is some good things about SM3, it is unfortunately a lesson unlearned from Batman & Robin. How that could be possible with so much money on the line is puzzling, but that's exactly what happened.

I predict a 65%-70% drop this weekend.

I posted and asked this twice to all you #3 haters and never got any response so I will ask you one more time...what the hell is so special about 1 and 2? The gay green goblin costume or the fat ass Doc Oops? I don't see the appeal? I disliked the first two but I loved the third. I said this before and I will say it again...i hope they release all three together in a set ONLY...see how many people pick up 3 on BD then :)

The first one was fun and they got alot right,The goblin costume looks stupid I agree...Fat Ass Doc Ock? Ever read a spider-man comic? The first 2 were more story driven than the 3rd one,The 2nd was the best,thrilling fight scenes,well paced and excellent dialogue,everything with peter parker is going wrong and he's trying so hard to do everything right which you really made you care about the characters. The 3rd one...silly dance numbers,weak dialogue,too many characters,not enough venom,spider-man taking his mask off too many times,weak fight scenes,firend turned villian turned friend turned villain and an "oh by the way Harry" speech from the Bulter...why didn't he say something a long time ago? The 3rd one was a mess,badly paced.

I posted and asked this twice to all you #3 haters and never got any response so I will ask you one more time...see how many people pick up 3 on BD then :)

IMO, writing/acting were worse in 3 than 1 or 2. They mailed it in for this one.

I enjoyed it alright, but no where near 1 or 2. I will pick it up on BD to complete the set and will even watch it. But to me, it doesnt compare to the first 2.

OK...fair enough...thanks for the rebuttal. Points taken. I just don't believe 3 was a bad movie but to each its own I guess.

3 was better than 2 IMO.
3 was better than 1/2 says my 14 yo son.
My wife could care less about 1/2/3.

I saw it yesterday.

Shocker of a movie, especially after the second one was so good.

A real disappointment, it has put me off watching the next in the franchise as well, oh well, I still have the bootleg versions of the Fox Kids animated series to tide me over until there is a good movie!

My wife and I thought the movie was very good. I'm surprised at all the negative feedback. I did like 1&2 better, but 3 was certainly on par. I would be interested in seeing a director's cut. It felt as though there was some heavy-handed editing.

Spiderman 3 was a wreck. It was almost as funny as Hot Fuzz, and not in a good way. They ruined venom. It was awful. Venom does not come from a random comet. Venom is not something you can take off or put on at will. VENOM DOES NOT TURN YOU INTO A WHINY EMO. Nor does it make you dance like an idiot.

I posted and asked this twice to all you #3 haters and never got any response so I will ask you one more time...what the hell is so special about 1 and 2? The gay green goblin costume or the fat ass Doc Oops? I don't see the appeal? I disliked the first two but I loved the third. I said this before and I will say it again...i hope they release all three together in a set ONLY...see how many people pick up 3 on BD then :)

First of all, isn't Doc Ock supposed to be fat? Secondly, the reason 1 and 2 are getting so much more love than 3 is because they're vastly superior films.

Spider-Man's first half is about as good as it gets for big screen superhero origin stories. The only ones I'd rank higher are Superman: The Movie's first 45 minutes and Batman Begins. The 2nd half of Spider-Man is significantly weaker, in no small part due to the weak costume design of the Green Goblin. But not weak enough to negate all the good stuff in the film. Overall I'd rate it 3 stars out of 4.

Spider-Man 2 is a lot like X-Men 2 in that it takes everything the first one set up and runs with it. Doc Ock was a much better villain than the Goblin, and the action scenes between him and Spidey were well choreograped(the wider aspect ratio helped). The acting, with the exception of one character, was also better across the board. That exception for me is Mary Jane. It's not really Kirsten Dunst's fault. She was written as cold and distant towards Peter for most of the movie. I do blame Dunst for looking a lot paler and skinnier though. The only other gripes I have with the movie are that the CGI looked way too fake at times and the first half went a little too overboard depicting how down on his luck Peter was. We get it! Life's hard on the dude! Still, it's a solid 3 1/2 stars out of 4.

Spider-Man 3 is a lot like X-Men 3, but in this case it's a bad thing. X-Men 3 tried to cram way too many characters and subplots into its running time and the movie suffered for it. Spider-Man 3 makes the same mistake, but thankfully had nearly 40 additional minutes to work with. Still, every character except for maybe Peter and Harry feels shortchanged. Mary Jane is even more insufferable. Venom is wasted. Sandman is underdeveloped. The butler deus ex machina is laughable and the storyline is overly reliant on coincidences. It all smacks of lazy, uninspired writing. And like X-Men 3, I felt Spider-Man 3 had the weakest score in the series. Elfman's departure hurt. 2 stars out of 4.

Venom does not come from a random comet.

From the moment Venom was announced, you had to know there was no way they could do a Secret Wars movie. Plenty of changes to Sandman, Ock, and Green Goblin as well.

What does EMO stand for?

What does EMO stand for?

Emo (http://www.drawings.gr/emo-clothings.shtml)

funny people don't know what emo is. I'm guessing it's the older generation.

:p

Spider-Man 3 is a lot like X-Men 3, but in this case it's a bad thing. X-Men 3 tried to cram way too many characters and subplots into its running time and the movie suffered for it. Spider-Man 3 makes the same mistake, but thankfully had nearly 40 additional minutes to work with. Still, every character except for maybe Peter and Harry feels shortchanged. Mary Jane is even more insufferable. Venom is wasted. Sandman is underdeveloped. The butler deus ex machina is laughable and the storyline is overly reliant on coincidences. It all smacks of lazy, uninspired writing. And like X-Men 3, I felt Spider-Man 3 had the weakest score in the series. Elfman's departure hurt. 2 stars out of 4.Though not really an Elfman fan, I have to admit his previous scores for Spidey are pretty good. And once more, the film's score is not the actual problem here; it's the weak writing. However, it's hauled in a boat-load of money, so I bet the execs are not really complaining.

Yeah, Spiderman 3's a bit too ambitious....and I fail to see why it's constantly compared to X-men 3. They both are the weakest chapters in their franchises, but that's where similarities end. X3 had literally four or five dozen characters running around (and it's more entertaining) compared to only four in S3.

Spiderman 3 was a wreck. It was almost as funny as Hot Fuzz, and not in a good way. They ruined venom. It was awful. Venom does not come from a random comet. Venom is not something you can take off or put on at will. VENOM DOES NOT TURN YOU INTO A WHINY EMO. Nor does it make you dance like an idiot.

Venom makes you want to eat someones brain!

Alot of people who say that Spider-Man 3 was a good movie seem to be judging the film based on the action...good action=good film,and that isnt true.

Alot of people who say that Spider-Man 3 was a good movie seem to be judging the film based on the action...good action=good film,and that isnt true.

And a lot of people bashing the movie are doing so based on the comic.

Movie != comic

Alot of people who say that Spider-Man 3 was a good movie seem to be judging the film based on the action...good action=good film,and that isnt true.

Not me dude...I loved the action but I also loved the emotional appearances and Toby's dancing and turning to the darkside cracked me up...I loved it! To me this one was so much better than 1 and 2. While 1 remained pretty consistent (minus the dumb goblin outfit) and 2 (had awesome fighting scenes) I thought just fell apaprt after Doc Ock said nope I am good and then he just drowned himself.

If there is one thing that irks me thought about all three movies it is the fact that Peter takes the mask off so damn much (not so much in the 1st but in parts 2/3).

So I ask again...what is emo?

Though not really an Elfman fan, I have to admit his previous scores for Spidey are pretty good. And once more, the film's score is not the actual problem here; it's the weak writing. However, it's hauled in a boat-load of money, so I bet the execs are not really complaining.

Yeah, Spiderman 3's a bit too ambitious....and I fail to see why it's constantly compared to X-men 3. They both are the weakest chapters in their franchises, but that's where similarities end. X3 had literally four or five dozen characters running around (and it's more entertaining) compared to only four in S3.

X3 was the weakest of the X-films, but I agree, it was still a good movie and far beyond SP3. My only complaint with X3 is that I didn't get to see the Juggernaut and Colossus earth-shattering battle I expected, I wanted to see Colossus close-line the jugs when he went running across the battle field crushing all in his path.

While it was flawed in many many ways, I felt Spiderman 3 was a decent movie. I really liked the first 2/3 of the movie, but then Tobey went into full "dark, sexy" Peter mode and it just turned into a joke. And what the hell was up with the one-dimensional villains?? There were almost no character arcs in the movie, and the way they handled Eddie Brock's transformation into Venom was laughable. I think Sam Raimi just bit off way more than he could chew this time. The good thing is I never felt bored watching it unlike most people.

So I ask again...what is emo?The lighter side of goth? Please don't ask what goth is....:rolleyes:

So I ask again...what is emo?
How to be emo... (http://whatsemo.com/short/)

The Jazz club scene, the "omg Marvel Comics Presents Super team-up" at the end, and they way Venom was handled ("Hey, My spidersense is tingling... If you know what I mean"), kinda killed it for me. I had heard since Spidey 1 that Raimi did not want to add Venom to the series, as he was a fan of the "classic" villians, and that the studio essentially strong-armed him into adding Venom... I think that kinda showed.

How to be emo... (http://whatsemo.com/short/)

LOL :D

I liked it. Not quite as much as 2 but I'm happy. Maybe because I'm not a comic fan so it's pretty new to me.

Kraft pretty much summed it up for me...

http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/542/spidercheese002bz5.jpg

you know I actually like the emo stuff....I thought it was some great comic material and that it was the same style that the other two movies had...what i didnt like is what a lot of people are mentioning here, the writing. But besides that....i really cant see how a lot of people were impressed with the action scenes....they were REALLY short and had no stlye. I think a lot of people need to go back and see the train fight in 2 again. Ive seen that so many times but everytime i see it it still seems so intense. 3's action was nothing like that, it had no style at all except for the part when he surfs on the street and like the 30sec fight in the subway with sandman, but they were way to short. But what i really didnt like....was the fact that peter tried TO KILL two people and he hit mary jane but in the end its all ok because the suit made him do it. in this way i compare it to sw3....anakin killed people....whether or not he would have ended up good or evil is not the point, the point is he was held RESONSIBLE! peter was just let off. everything said and done....i thought with everything the way it was it would have been ok except for one of the worest endings of all time. I thought the neo/smith ending was more saytisfying to me even though i didnt like the rest of the movie.

Saw it in Imax Friday night, all I know is the audio is going to be spectacular in PCM :D

I just got the animated The Venom Saga, which I hadn't seen in years. It's amazing how much better it was than Spider-Man 3! Everything makes sense, everything flows naturally and all the characters feel "right".

The way Venom is introduced is far more interesting and, get this, actually explains how Spidey comes into contact with it.

The reason Brock is at the church is not a coincidence like it is in the movie "Wah, please kill Peter Parker God" (how completely pathetically stupid). In the series he's there because he's following Peter. Why make it a ridiculous coincidence when you can actually provide a reason for things to happen?

One really cool aspect, perhaps the BEST aspect of the animated version, is completely left out of the film. That since Venom knows Spider-Man is Peter Parker, he constantly harrasses Peter, threatening to tell everyone, showing up at his house, etc. It was creepy and cool.

Raimi obviously saw the animated version because he takes shots directly from it. Peter waking up looking at his reflection in the building for example.

you know I actually like the emo stuff....I thought it was some great comic material and that it was the same style that the other two movies had...what i didnt like is what a lot of people are mentioning here, the writing. But besides that....i really cant see how a lot of people were impressed with the action scenes....they were REALLY short and had no stlye. I think a lot of people need to go back and see the train fight in 2 again. Ive seen that so many times but everytime i see it it still seems so intense. 3's action was nothing like that, it had no style at all except for the part when he surfs on the street and like the 30sec fight in the subway with sandman, but they were way to short. But what i really didnt like....was the fact that peter tried TO KILL two people and he hit mary jane but in the end its all ok because the suit made him do it. in this way i compare it to sw3....anakin killed people....whether or not he would have ended up good or evil is not the point, the point is he was held RESONSIBLE! peter was just let off. everything said and done....i thought with everything the way it was it would have been ok except for one of the worest endings of all time. I thought the neo/smith ending was more saytisfying to me even though i didnt like the rest of the movie.
He didn't TRY to hit MJ though; she just ran into a fight and got belted. Raimi isn't gutsy enough for him to actually do anything bad even with the help of the suit. Not like in the comics when he hit her and they had to go and make him a clone since there was such an outrage. Though he probably ended up not being a clone or something as convoluted as the Maximum Clonage saga ended up being. What I can't get is how SM3's critics say the plots were too thin AND convoluted at the same time. Doesn't compute.

Yeah, the black suit is pretty much the same as the dark side of the force. Except Peter Parker was strong enough to recognize it as evil and reject the power. Something Anakin couldn't do. So I don't think he should be punished for that.

Him being let off is BS....and how can you tell me Spider-amn didnt hit mj with his "spider sense" and the fact that he can move who knows how many more times fast then anyone else....and if the movies try to coney that he didnt know....then to be that is a huge plot hole. And I think its retarted that he did try to kill two people and they just happen to survive so its ok for peter to be let off. I think the biggest gripe with the story that critics have (and me) is that too much happens on just chance....almost the entire story is built on too many things just happeing at the right time...which its a movie I know....but with this one it was just way to much that happened on chance. maybe there will be a cut that expalins more. I mean.... vemons just happened to fall from space right next to peter? lol....sand man just happened to be running out who knows where and falls into a pit of sand where there are people doing who knows what to it...I mean....it was just to much....doc oc and the gg both had decent enough reasons for becoming what they were. For the record I do like x3 more....of crouse it has its problems...but it at least was entertaining and I wasnt looking at my watch by the end of it.
HEY fetta...yes the animated series is defintly better then any of the movies as well as the x-men animated series by the way....too bad niether of those has offically been made a box set....what a shame....but true....these cartoons are better then there movie counter parts.

Personally, I think it's pretty easy to blame the corruption of the black suit for any "evil" Peter does. I mean, that was the point, that it enhanced the worst in people while making them far more powerful, and overwhelmed their better half. Why would MJ trigger his spider sense? She's not a threat. It alerts him of danger. Maybe if she'd been about to hit him with a chair when he was fighting those guys. His concentration was on them, not her, and he was letting the power of the suit take him over. These seem trivial things to attack and are only being scrutinized because you didn't like the film from what I can tell. Inadvertently smacking her was what shocked him into acting against the suit. A more daring approach would have been if he'd killed someone who wasn't an enemy or (gasp) deliberately struck MJ.

He doesn't really get off scot free either. His relationship with MJ is set back and he loses the person who was his best friend thanks to him spawning Venom. (And that's after seeing that he hideously scarred him.)

Remember the alien isn't Venom until it bonds with Eddie Brock. It's just the alien symbiote.

You're right on the coincidences though. I thought they'd do like the cartoon and have Jameson's son bring the symbiote back from space (seeing as how they'd introduced him in the last movie), and it sure made a lot more sense to have Brock follow Parker. At least Peter was outside trying to get a good view of the meteor shower.

And I suppose they tried to give Brock motivation to be in the church with Parker's line to Brock "You want forgiveness? Get religion!" Hence, he goes to the church to pray for God to help him kill Peter--which seemed a bit of a stretch since we didn't get enough of bad Eddie Brock. Flesh out his obsessivness and pseudo-stalking of Gwen and it would be a lot better.

Honestly, for what it accomplished in a short time I think the movie's pretty good. Could use another half hour of fleshing things out and some more memorable action scenes though.

Some of the fans of the original movies really seem to have wanted the second coming with SM3, but they have a lot more fondess for those movies than I do. I didn't think there was anything that great to live up to. The movies go: "the gas made me do it, the tentacles made me do it, the suit made me do it." There's nothing out of line here.

I just got back from the theater and loved it! Sure it was a bit slow in parts, but Venom and Sandman were awesome. There needs to be a Spidey 4 with alot more Venom.

The whole family enjoyed it.......I mentioned some critics poor reviews and my daughter said, "Dad, they are just people with opinions....why do you listen to them?"

I'm very happy I went to see it and can't wait for the Blu-Ray!!!!

http://www.imageworks.com/video/spiderman3_1.html

http://www.nypost.com/seven/05162007/news/nationalnews/mary_jane_is_spidey_sensuous_nationalnews_neil_graves.htm

http://www.nypost.com/seven/05162007/news/nationalnews/mary_jane_is_spidey_sensuous_nationalnews_neil_graves.htm


LOL...the things people choose to complain about. :)