I just got back from a press screening of "Spider-Man 3" in NYC. Blu-ray fans will be cheering to get this in their collection. I'm on the fence as to whether I liked it more than the second one but like "Casino Royale," this will definitely be one to own. Plenty of action in both light and dark to take full advantage of high def goodness.

Of course, I think we all expected that anyway.

I have no doubt this will look great in high-def, although the movie ain't doing so hot on Rottentomatoes.

I have no doubt this will look great in high-def, although the movie ain't doing so hot on Rottentomatoes.

I'm going to wait until I see it to pass judgment, but I think most of the critics who are slanting towards negatively reviewing the movie (which seems to be less rather than more) are grading it more against Spiderman 2. I think I'm going to enjoy the movie and it will be a must buy on Blu-ray when it comes out.

<--- Spidey freak + Sam Raimi fan :) .

How can I NOT like it :D ?

I really urge everyone to refrain from reading any reviews/opinions about this movie, as it's REALLY easy to spoil some of the key twists that are critical to enjoying the movie ;) .

Can't wait to see this in IMAX :D !!!

I agree that I left the movie not feeling as "jazzed" as I did walking out of Spider-Man 2. The action scenes in 3 don't top the subway sequence in 2. But 3 is a much darker film and I don't think it's meant to have you cheering and jeering at the end.

But it's still a great movie and I recommend it for anyone heading out to theaters this weekend. (or when it comes on Blu-ray in November, hehe)

I have no doubt this will look great in high-def, although the movie ain't doing so hot on Rottentomatoes.

Well ...72% overall and 88% user rating is pretty good for a major summer blockbuster. :D

^ Those numbers are going to drop on friday though...I am so psyched for this movie, I think I may be setting myself up for a major disappointment on Friday...I hope not.

It's going to be hard for me to past on the initial release and wait for it on BR! :(

How much of the film is Venom in? Does he shows up in the last 5 minutes or is it more substantial than that?

My big problem is the stupid jet-powered snowboard. Reminds me way too much of Batman & Robin.

Also they could have made Harry's costume so cool and it looks so Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.

I just checked out some reviews at rottentomatoes and.....

(very minor spoiler)
Dunst SINGS 2 SONGS!!!!??????

Who the hell thought THAT was a good idea? :eek:

Well ...72% overall and 88% user rating is pretty good for a major summer blockbuster. :D
Uhh.. 72% isn't good at all compared to the 93% that Spiderman 2 got. If I did my math correctly, that's a 21% drop. What is wrong with you fanboys why must you rationalize everything remotely Blu-ray even when the facts are right before your eyes?? And like I already said, I'm sure this will look great on Blu-ray.

Who the hell thought THAT was a good idea?
Who the hell thought is was a good idea to give snaggle tooth more than two lines? Should be like Elizabethtown where they re-shot/re-cut the movie to keep that @#$% out of the movie as much as possible. :D

Why does no one like her? I think she's very cute and I love her attitude. I think she's very endearing.

Why does no one like her? I think she's very cute and I love her attitude. I think she's very endearing.
Well hitting every branch on her fall through the ugly tree is subjective but most are of the opinion that it's due to a complete lack of acting ability & the IQ of a bucket of hammers. Public statements about how her character is far more important to the Spiderman series than Spiderman himself don't exactly endear one to the public.

I didn't like Spider-Man 2 as much as the first one, but just from the looks of the trailer this one looks better. I'll gladly take a darker Spider-Man over the corny cheese-fest of the second.

I didn't like Spider-Man 2 as much as the first one, but just from the looks of the trailer this one looks better. I'll gladly take a darker Spider-Man over the corny cheese-fest of the second.


I made that exact comment a few days ago,and got slam for it...But I 100% agreed with you..

I like the darker flicks,hope I love this one as much as the first. I'll be seeing this one on Imax this Sunday..

Djoel

the hell with kirsten dunst...

how was venom?????

I've been reading a few reviews and it seems there are many problems with this film. Everybody is constantly crying for example, something that drove me nuts in Fellowship of the Ring.

Not to mention I just think it's retarded to make Sandman kill Ben Parker.

I have no doubt this will look great in high-def, although the movie ain't doing so hot on Rottentomatoes.

See, that is my problem with 'reviews'

Everyone has their own opinion and I never listen to idiots such as those listed on RT or any other site.

I will go watch this with my 6 year old son and we will enjoy it - plain and simple

We will not psychoanalyze the movie - we will just watch it

I'm looking forward to all 3 spidey movies on BD, just as much as i'm waiting for the Jurrasic Park series on HD to be announced.

I just checked out some reviews at rottentomatoes and.....

(very minor spoiler)
Dunst SINGS 2 SONGS!!!!??????

Who the hell thought THAT was a good idea? :eek:
Are you ****ing kidding me?

This review is what I am expecting to think come Friday night walking out of the theatre.

A disappointment. Spidey keeps his mask off and weeps. Everyone cries. I hated the silly monolith sad sack Sandman. Did Dunst's contract stipulate she sing two songs?

Check out this review, it's hilarious! It's supposedly written by "Nell Cumpston, Neil Cumpston's mom from AICN. The spoilers are pretty mild:

"In this one, the director finally focuses on the kinds of things I think Spider-Man fans have been aching for…namely, love and forgiveness! (Coincidentally, the names of my belated tabbys!) There’s only about twenty-five minutes of actual Spidey footage in this movie – which makes all kinds of room for:

That darling Mary Jane singing (two songs!)

Peter Parker crying

Harry Osbourne crying

Harry Osbourne hearing Willem Dafoe’s voice through a huge painting of Willem Dafoe, and then getting yelled at by Willem Dafoe

This old servant of Harry’s suddenly walking into frame during the third act and explaining a lot of stuff that frankly I was confused about – it didn’t even bother me that I didn’t know who the old servant was – I love it when old people explain things slowly and carefully in movies

Harry Osbourne and Mary Jane cooking an omelet and dancing to Chubby Checker’s “The Twist” (my favorite part)

The Sandman crying

Eddie Brock crying

Mary Jane crying

Aunt May crying

Bruce Campbell, from the Evil Dead films, doing a hilarious French accent! The scene goes on for nine minutes, but you could tell the audience wanted it to go on sooooooo much longer, the way they sighed heavily and rolled their eyes when it was over! It’s not as funny as the French accent my late husband, Niles, used to do at charade nights, but it came pretty darn close!

Peter Parker doing a sly “revenge jazz dance” in front of Mary Jane when she’s trying to sing at one of those modern jazz clubs that Spider-Man fans love so much. This scene also ended way too soon, to make room for some fighting.

And yes, I might as well tell you, there ARE a few action scenes that get in the way of all the interesting stuff between the characters and their relationships and their ordinary, every-day lives.

First, there’s a fight between Peter Parker and Harry Osbourne (he’s something called the New Goblin, and he rides one of those fun-looking skateboards like in the Back to the Future sequels) that kicks off the movie. It’s far and away the most exciting sequence in the movie (the audience applauded!) and Peter doesn’t even put that silly Spider-man costume on, so we get to see his wonderful facial expressions and mouth-acting.

There’s also a new villain played by the wonderful Thomas Haden Church – The Sandman. He’s a shape-shifting baddie who’s daughter is dying so, even though he gets put through some pretty crazy action sequences, there’s plenty of opportunities for him to look sad and cry about things. I wish they’d worked in a line where he’s crying, and says, “I’ve got sand in my eye.” Maybe on the DVD.

What’s smart about putting the Spider-man/New Goblin sequence first is that none of the other action sequences are as exciting, so you can relax and enjoy Peter and Mary Jane’s kooky, mixed-up relationship! There’s a lot of wonderful scenes of them misunderstanding each other, and not explaining one obvious and simple thing, which would clear up their problems (and, let’s face it, make a pretty boring movie!) There’s at least six scenes of them calling each other on the telephone, and one of them almost picking up, or just listening to answering machine messages, and misunderstanding those. I was on the edge of my seat!

Of course, you have to sit through a few more dreadful “action” sequences, but luckily they don’t go on very long and, even better, rarely involve people you care about. They introduce this new girl, Gwen Stacy, who’s a model or something. There’s one scene that starts off promising – a comedy scene where she’s doing a modeling job for a copying machine (I mean, the very idea! I was cracking up!) and the photographer is, shall we say, a little “fruity”. Well, all of this great comedy gets ruined when an out-of-control crane starts smashing up the building, and she falls out, and Spider-man swings by and saves her. But she’s only in a few more scenes, and ends up having almost nothing to do with the plot. I wanted to see more of that kooky photographer!

Peter’s Aunt May also gets a lot more screen time in this installment, and she’s always giving heartfelt advice. It’s good to see a superhero movie finally giving some consideration to us “silver tops”!

In fact, I wish they’d consulted this “silver top” about the Venom character. He’s like an evil, gooey Spider-man, but it didn’t work for me.

Which was too bad, since the Venom plot is introduced so brilliantly – Peter and Mary Jane are necking in the woods, and the gooey Venom stuff falls out of the sky, unexplained, next to them.

But it gets better – it turns out, Venom is some sort of alien goo that attaches itself to you and makes you super-powerful, and also kind of evil. Our niece, Orudis, used to swallow these charcoal tablets to help her digest food. But it turned out later she was also eating her hair, and at Harriet’s cookie exchange party she coughed up this huge gob of hair and charcoal and that’s what the Venom stuff looks like in the movie. I wonder if, when the Venom stuff attaches itself to you, it makes you draw penises that look like knives the way Orudis did.

Although, in this movie, the Venom substance makes Peter evil, which you can tell because he gets one of those “Emo” haircuts and a black suit – not just his Spidey suit, which turns black, but one of those suits you always see Paris Hilton’s boyfriends wearing. And he walks down the street like a black person, and winks at girls a lot. It was like Hannibal Lecter or that Simon Cowell fellow, who should have been nicer to Haley because she was a Christian.

I should warn you – the ending is another one of those dreary, hard-on-the-eyes-and-ears battle royals, with Sandman and the gooey black Spider-man (not Peter anymore, but this character named Eddie Brock) battling Spider-man at a construction site. Luckily, it ends the way a good action sequence should end – with one major character dying, and four other characters standing around, crying and apologizing for everything that’s happened. I’m not kidding – I was so touched, and I can’t wait for all the Spidey-fans to experience this beautiful, slowly-paced sequence for themselves. Bring your Spidey-hankies!

Also, I was very glad to see the whole plotline about the Sandman and his dying daughter was ignored at the end, as if it never happened. Summertime is for happy stories! A dying little girl belongs in an Oscar movie, am I right?

So, to sum up my review, I didn’t think I’d like this movie as much as I did. It will certainly give Georgia Rule and License to Wed a run for their money!"
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I just got back from a press screening of "Spider-Man 3" in NYC. Blu-ray fans will be cheering to get this in their collection. I'm on the fence as to whether I liked it more than the second one but like "Casino Royale," this will definitely be one to own. Plenty of action in both light and dark to take full advantage of high def goodness.

Of course, I think we all expected that anyway.
Did you see it on 35mm, Digital, Imax ??

It definitely wasn't imax but I don't know if it was 35mm or digital but if I had to venture a guess, I'd say 35mm.

Venom is good only except...

SPOILER BEGIN (swipe using mouse)

He only really shows up til the last act of the film. Most of the movie builds on Eddie Brock's hatred for Peter Parker.

SPOILER END

WOW they blew the Venom character too.

Singing+Crying+Bad Villans Not lookin to good.

Your spoiler did not work :( and 35mm would not be a great way to compare to BRD as the transfer will likely come from the digital print they struck

I'm guessing they are building Venom up for a spin-off, which would be cool.

2 is the best of the 3.

1 was better than 2 I think

1 was better than 2 I think

They both had some problems but were awesome overall.

This is why I hate reviews and reviewers.

I don't pre-judge a movie based on someone's opinion whether they spew it for a living or not. If I am interested in a movie, I will go and judge for myself. After all, I'm the only one that really counts.

There are movies that I have enjoyed that have been panned and there are movies that have been praised that I've either hated or was indifferent about.

No movie is perfect, but I do like Spiderman and I'm sure I will enjoy this one.

It's all part of bein' a fanboi man.:cool:

Reading/writing reviews is half the fun, at least for me.

1 was better than 2 I think

General concensus is that two was better than one, early reviews put three between one and two.

I will probably wait for BD no matter what the reviews are like. (we don't get out much)

The next Harry Potter on the other hand, is a lunch date on the first day with the whole family.

This is quite a year for blockbusters.

The family will be hitting Spiderman 3, Pirates, Fantastic 4, Harry Potter......at minimum.

Then when these come out on BD.....I'm sure I'll be picking them up! :)

They both had some problems but were awesome overall.
Still can't get over how the movies gave Peter Parker the web slinging ability.

Still can't get over how the movies gave Peter Parker the web slinging ability.
At least that makes more sense than a teenager coming up with a chemical formula that simulates a spiders web and is super strong. If companies spending millions of dollars can't do it, how could some teenage boy with no resources.

Still can't get over how the movies gave Peter Parker the web slinging ability.
That's an improvement. Parker takes on the characteristics of a spider, yet has to make his own web?

See, that is my problem with 'reviews'

Everyone has their own opinion and I never listen to idiots such as those listed on RT or any other site.


I will go watch this with my 6 year old son and we will enjoy it - plain and simple

You mean the some 200 critics that actually watched the film (rather than just outright stating they know that they're gonna love the movie just because it's Spiderman)?? You mean those idiots? In case you didn't know, RT's ratings are aggregate, meaning even if a couple of the critics are indeed "idiots" then their opinion shouldn't affect the overall score too much. So if 21% of those same critics say they thought Spiderman 3 was weak, then I'd trust them more than I would someone like you.

You mean the some 200 critics that actually watched the film (rather than just outright stating they know that they're gonna love the movie just because it's Spiderman)?? You mean those idiots? In case you didn't know, RT's ratings are aggregate, meaning even if a couple of the critics are indeed "idiots" then their opinion shouldn't affect the overall score too much. So if 21% of those same critics say they thought Spiderman 3 was weak, then I trust them more than I would someone like you.

I'm sorry if I offended you since I never knew that you were one of those 'idiot' reviewers.

I just merely stated that we enjoy the spiderman franchise and that we don't listen to anyone to tell us whether or not we need to go.

Now I know why I stay out of the BD section of this site.....and I own a freaking PS3.

I'm sorry if I offended you since I never knew that you were one of those 'idiot' reviewers.

I just merely stated that we enjoy the spiderman franchise and that we don't listen to anyone to tell us whether or not we need to go.

Now I know why I stay out of the BD section of this site.....and I own a freaking PS3.
How in the world did you come to the conclusion that I am an "idiot" reviewer?? In all honesty, I don't give a hoot what critics say about the movie because like you, I'll be seeing it anyways. I just find it ironic how you can call critics "idiots" when you come out and say something like "I will enjoy it- plain and simple" despite not having even seen the freakin movie yet. Way to stay objective. And please explain to me how anyone was "telling" you which movies to watch. All I said was I think Spiderman 3 will look great in high-def, although the movie itself isn't getting the best reviews.

Ouuuh I am jumping ship from this thread already read way too much, I should wait and be surprise once I see it Sunday....

Well my only prediction is that it will make much more $$$ than the first two opener...

What was that 80-90 mil?

See ya guys till then.

Djoel

At least that makes more sense than a teenager coming up with a chemical formula that simulates a spiders web and is super strong. If companies spending millions of dollars can't do it, how could some teenage boy with no resources.
I know it makes more sense but still, Stick to the origonal :)

I just got back from a press screening of "Spider-Man 3" in NYC. Blu-ray fans will be cheering to get this in their collection. I'm on the fence as to whether I liked it more than the second one but like "Casino Royale," this will definitely be one to own. Plenty of action in both light and dark to take full advantage of high def goodness.

Of course, I think we all expected that anyway.

Spidey 3 is ALREADY breaking box office records ;-)

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'Spider-Man 3' is set for 4,252 theaters, breaking the record for
widest release ever. The previous record was 4,223, set by 'Shrek 2' in its
second weekend in 2004...

All Time Widest Releases:
http://boxofficemojo.com/alltime/widest.htm?page=WIDEST

Everyone just seems less physced for this one though.

I'm completely psyched for it and I predict it will do very well at the box office.

As to reviews and reviewer's....I could care less what these people say, I'm going to see it and make up my own mind which is what I normally do anyway.

Whenever I mention reviews my wife always says, "We've seen movies that the reviewers hated and we loved them and vice versa".

As to the mechanical web shooters that are in the comic book vs the movie "organic" web shooters.......the real ones make more sense and that change is fine by me. The comics were trying to highlight the fact that Peter was brilliant in Science and was able to make these on his own.

Can't wait to see this sucker!

Crying?................CRYING?............there's no crying in Spiderman! :D

As to the mechanical web shooters that are in the comic book vs the movie "organic" web shooters.......the real ones make more sense and that change is fine by me. The comics were trying to highlight the fact that Peter was brilliant in Science and was able to make these on his own.
While it may to an extent make more sense running out of said fluid was often a critical part of fights with villians.

I'm completely psyched for it and I predict it will do very well at the box office.Going out on a limb there, I see. :D

Just because a movie on RT doesn't have a good rating, that doesn't mean it won't do well or that nobody wants to see it. Hell, look at Ghost Rider...

Crying?................CRYING?............there's no crying in Spiderman! :D


While it may to an extent make more sense running out of said fluid was often a critical part of fights with villians.

Yes....true, but it still makes more sense not to have mechanical shooters......of course they could have written in that the organic webbing runs out and then has to build up again........ ;)

Going out on a limb there, I see. :D


Right off the edge!!!! :D

Gonna see it tomorrow on IMAX in Woodbridge ontario.

I agree that there seems to be less build-up to this one and overall less enthusiasm than for the previous 2. Maybe people are a little "spideyed out", I know I am. I am sick to death of the soap oprah crap in this series. The constant whining by the characters is really getting to me.

To top it off you pile on 3 villains to make sure none of them get proper development and have Harry Osborn riding a jet-propelled snowboard and a retarded costume. Was anyone really crying out to see Sandman in the films? He's a third rung villain. We wanted The Lizard or Venom. Venom is the ultimate Spidey villain and you don't crowd him in at the end!

So for all those reasons, I'm looking forward to it, but not as much as I should be. I'm a comic book nerd, I should be wetting my pants. I'm not.

I agree that there seems to be less build-up to this one and overall less enthusiasm than for the previous 2. Maybe people are a little "spideyed out", I know I am. I am sick to death of the soap oprah crap in this series. The constant whining by the characters is really getting to me.

To top it off you pile on 3 villains to make sure none of them get proper development and have Harry Osborn riding a jet-propelled snowboard and a retarded costume. Was anyone really crying out to see Sandman in the films? He's a third rung villain. We wanted The Lizard or Venom. Venom is the ultimate Spidey villain and you don't crowd him in at the end!

So for all those reasons, I'm looking forward to it, but not as much as I should be. I'm a comic book nerd, I should be wetting my pants. I'm not.

I'm with you on all the drama going on. It turned me off from the begining. They spent way, way, way to much time (in all 3 movies) with the girl friend thing. The Osbourne saga should have ended with the first movie. They should have kept MJ in the background and had more action and less "I Love You." And I hate how they change the way events unfold. The Sandman had nothing to do with the death of Uncle Ben. I can see having Parker shoot web out of his body (the comic book should have had it that way) but changing the script turns off a lot of folks who grew up with the material. I never liked big head Kirsten as MJ and I never liked Toby as Spiderman. I hope they start fresh on the next trio of movies.

Everyone just seems less physced for this one though.

Well, as has been pointed out, the reviews are unfortunately mediocre, and that definitely puts a crimp on the excitement. And the RT ratings keep plummeting. Don't look.

Just because a movie on RT doesn't have a good rating, that doesn't mean it won't do well or that nobody wants to see it. Hell, look at Ghost Rider...
Um Look at POTC: DMC

I just got back from cinema, it was good movie, nothing mindblowing but solid,fun movie. My biggest mistake was that I saw trailer 5 days before and it spoiled lot of movie for me. I would me nice that movie more focused on Venom :(

I think my group at work is going to go see this as a long lunch next week at our local imax.

I love working among geeks.

Why do people like IMAX?

The screens too big. But then again I hate panoramic sreens. (They always give me headaches) (and no I don't get nausia or vertigo or any motion sickness at all).

Spiderman 2 lags super hard. and what's with the cake scene.

But any movie that cost $250 mil.(rumored to be $500 mi.) Is definetely worth seeing twice.
I just exited to see what they spent all that cash on.

All the Spidermans will be a great addition in HD. They are the main reason I purchased a Blu ray player to begin with!

ok i just got back seeing this at a midnight showing.....hmmmm....i hate to say it but me and my wife didnt think it was very good at all! first and foremost venom LOOKS LIKE ****!!!! this was by far the part i was looking most foward to.....his face looks like complete ass...speaking of bad effects....the part where the craine crushing through the building looks like cgi from a ps1 game. and the ending was terrible....i thought i was in a godzilla movie lol. although there are numerous funny parts. but let me tell you why i didnt like this at all compared to 2. what is so cool about watching spider-man? for me its his agility, his incredibly fast movements....well theres is alomst NONE of that in this film. no one even clapped at the end for crying out loud. i predict it will have 2 huge weekends and then after that fall off the map. i love spiderman, but this was really bad....the really bad venom effects (and others) coupled with alomst a complete lack of spiderman, coupled with a really bad ending just ruined it for me. there was nothing that redeems this movie for me except a few funny parts and a few actions clips here and very there! i really wanted to like this movie....i hope transformers or shrek save the summer for me

First half of the movie was good.

Second half of the movie never recovered from certain weird-ass scenes.

Of course it will fall off after two weeks. In two weeks Shrek 3 starts and in 3 weeks the Pirates movie starts. I also read where they were working on the special effects right up to the deadline in late March. THey had to be done by then to be able to make all the prints. Raimi said he wished he could have more time so they could polish some of the special effects. I guess it must show judging by the earlier comments.

I'm hoping to see it this weekend and make up my own mine. It's interesting to hear that the reviews are coming in as "half hate it/half love it".

As with most blockbusters, people go in with huge expectations and pre-conceptions of what they think they are going to see based on alot of pre movie hype.

I'm also hearing people say that you should just concentrate on one villain at a time........if you ever read the comic books, you would know that most issues had a couple if not more villains that Spiderman was dealing with.

What bothers me about the reviews is the small part that Venom apparently plays......he is such a great character......and maybe he will evetually play a much bigger role in a number 4 if there is one.

Kind of reminds me of my "Casino Royale" experience. I was very dissapointed that the tricked out BMW played such a small role in the movie before being distroyed!

Anyway, I'm going to view this with entertainment in mind and looking forward to it.

yeah this one in my opinion was the worse of the 3. i seem to always dislike the 3rd installment of franchise movies. either they try to do to much in such a little time or the story looks like it was just thrown together to make a quick buck. the story was good and had a chance but i was hoping raimi wouldn't go that route but he did (to much in such a little time). i'm just glad i didn't have to pay for it.

I'm hoping to see it this weekend and make up my own mine. It's interesting to hear that the reviews are coming in as "half hate it/half love it".

As with most blockbusters, people go in with huge expectations and pre-conceptions of what they think they are going to see based on alot of pre movie hype.

I'm also hearing people say that you should just concentrate on one villain at a time........if you ever read the comic books, you would know that most issues had a couple if not more villains that Spiderman was dealing with.

What bothers me about the reviews is the small part that Venom apparently plays......he is such a great character......and maybe he will evetually play a much bigger role in a number 4 if there is one.

Kind of reminds me of my "Casino Royale" experience. I was very dissapointed that the tricked out BMW played such a small role in the movie before being distroyed!

Anyway, I'm going to view this with entertainment in mind and looking forward to it.

The Aston Martin DBS?

More time hanging out in the parking lot than driven is a crime.

oh man...i guess from all the bad reviews i read at yahoo...i dont think this will be the biggest grossing movie of 07...probably potc at world ends will do it instead.

$ony fall short once again.

oh man...i guess from all the bad reviews i read at yahoo...i dont think this will be the biggest grossing movie of 07...probably potc at world ends will do it instead.

$ony fall short once again.

Bad reviews have nothing to do with opening weekend. POTC: Dead Man's Chest didn't get overwhelming positive reviews. In fact, overall, it so far was reviewed more poorly than Spider-Man 3.

Sony doesn't have anything to worry about.

In my opinion, this is easily the weakest of the 3 movies, though. Overall, enjoyable, but pretty flawed for me. The story was mainly propelled by continual contrivances, with some of them just leaving me scratching my head. It seems they took the "it's a comic book movie! Who cares if it's contrived?" attitude.

There's plenty to like, but plenty to question as well.

And the audience I saw it with was laughing in parts that I'm pretty sure Raimi didn't intend them to laugh at. Mainly, any of what I think were supposed to be more dramatic moments for Peter. Since they turned him into a complete joke (the movie version of Peter is a full-on nerd and symbiote-enhanced Peter is a full-on disco nerd) in parts, when it's time for him to get serious, it just doesn't work....

oh man...i guess from all the bad reviews i read at yahoo...i dont think this will be the biggest grossing movie of 07...probably potc at world ends will do it instead.

$ony fall short once again.

Only ends up with a $750 million dollar gross, what a bunch of losers.

Got my IMAX tickets for this one.
For those that don't have an IMAX...I see Spidey is playing in DLP theaters also. :)

Is this forum truly filled with a bunch of old men who dont know how to have a good time. This movie was by far the best of the 3. Venom looked perfect and so did Sandman. It had the best action scenes of all three and a good amount of humor. Some people need to relax and learn how to have good time.

Well, as has been pointed out, the reviews are unfortunately mediocre, and that definitely puts a crimp on the excitement. And the RT ratings keep plummeting. Don't look.
62%!
45% cream of the crop!
NOT GOOD! :eek:

The problem with franchises is too many cooks in the kitchen. You've got too many producers and executives who think they should get a say in the creative development. Too often it's about toys and other tie-ins.

Say what you want about the Star Wars prequels, none of the characters are superfluous and the story is a coherant work.

It was very average....the first and second spidey's will be the great additions to Bluray....I rate this one up there with Xmen Last Stand. Definately the worst of the series.

Some people need to relax and learn how to have good time.

I did have a good time...with the first and second.

This one, not as much.

It was entertaining, but definately a step down from the previous.

Ugh. I'm a huge fan of the first two, but this one was just tiring. I'm sure it'll look great on BD, but... ouch. This just wasn't good. Certainly not the worst movie ever made, but it isn't good.

I really wish I had just waited and caught it at home this fall. The theater was packed and the audience reaction wasn't positive. People were getting restless during this thing.



I really figured this would be a no-brainer. Two previous great films. Same cast. Same crew. Free reign in terms of creativity/budget.

It really makes just about every mistake a sequel can make. Too bad, really.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/film/reviews/article_display.jsp?&rid=9075

http://www.usatoday.com/life/movies/reviews/2007-04-30-spiderman_N.htm

http://www.eonline.com/movies/e_reviews/index.jsp?movieuuid=3ce6a359-43f9-43e8-bbb1-1f8178e4ec0b

http://www.boston.com/movies/display?display=movie&id=8877

http://www.nypost.com/seven/04242007/entertainment/movies/spidey_works_black_magic_in_3_movies_lou_lumenick.htm

http://www.rollingstone.com/reviews/movie/9387668/review/14362908/spiderman_3

~Josh

Come on, beatboy. Let's not spin for once, huh?

Some critics like it, some don't. Instead of cherrypicking the positive ones, how about linking to the full picture:
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/spiderman_3/

Come on, beatboy. Let's not spin for once, huh?

Some critics like it, some don't. Instead of cherrypicking the positive ones, how about linking to the full picture:
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/spiderman_3/

I am not spinning it, I am just pointing out that plenty of people are liking this movies as well.

I say watch it for yourself and make your own conclusions.

~Josh

I am not spinning it

Yes you are.

Saying "The Critics Seem To Like It" and then only linking to positive reviews --when it's currently at 63% on RT (and dropping) -- is the textbook definition of spin.

The critics are mixed.

Yes you are.

Saying "The Critics Seem To Like It" and then only linking to positive reviews --when it's currently at 63% on RT (and dropping) -- is the textbook definition of spin.

The critics are mixed.

I for one have never posted or visited, or know anyone who has posted on rotten tomatoes. I dont have any idea why people would care about what other internet users (most of which are to afraid to leave their house) think about a movie. Some people need to learn to develop their own opininons and not focus on some bogus score.

Yes you are.

Saying "The Critics Seem To Like It" and then only linking to positive reviews --when it's currently at 63% on RT (and dropping) -- is the textbook definition of spin.

The critics are mixed.


Let's agree on one thing: The reviews linked are a clear indicator of Universal going neutral very soon :)

I for one have never posted or visited, or know anyone who has posted on rotten tomatoes. I dont have any idea why people would care about what other internet users (most of which are to afraid to leave their house) think about a movie. Some people need to learn to develop their own opininons and not focus on some bogus score.

Rotten Tomatoes covers all critics (including all of the established ones), so it isn't a bunch of 30-year-olds living in their parents basement.

And I absolutely agree that people need to develop their own opinions. I've seen the movie, so I have one.


My post isn't meant to indicate that one critic is right vs. another... or even that the film in general is a 6.2 out of 10 (as the RT score indicates). I was just pointing out that it's absurd to say that "the critics" like the film when it's getting such a mixed reaction.

I'm not advocating RT as a decision-making tool, just as a tool to see the wider picture of *all* reviews out there rather than just the six that Josh decided to post.

I was really excited to see this, but after reading some of the reviews I'm not so much anymore.

I don't have a BD player, but I'm hoping that sooner or later all three movies come out on HD-DVD. I'm not holding my breath, I know that it's a Sony franchise and this format war will probably continue for at least another year... but a guy can hope.

I've seen the movie, so I have one.


Ditto....the writing in this one seemed worse than the previous two. Sometimes, it seemed like they got Lucas to write some of it. ;)

The cheese factor was definately there on a couple of occasions and I dont remember that at all from the first 2. For a comic book movie, thats saying alot.

In the end, the action scenes made the movie and were good, but the story just wasnt as interesting as the previous ones. I found myself looking at my watch too many times.

It really reminded me of X3 and Batman Forever alot. Bad story, bad writing, too many villains, but good action scenes. Id give it 2.5 stars.

Im sure it will make a good BD title and great for home viewing (Like X3).

I was really excited to see this, but after reading some of the reviews I'm not so much anymore.

I don't have a BD player, but I'm hoping that sooner or later all three movies come out on HD-DVD. I'm not holding my breath, I know that it's a Sony franchise and this format war will probably continue for at least another year... but a guy can hope.

Um, good thing you have a nice upconverting player at least.

Hoping PotC comes out on HD DVD is one thing, Spiderman? Go ahead and give up now.

The Aston Martin DBS?

More time hanging out in the parking lot than driven is a crime.

Sorry....meant the Aton Martin not BMW!

Just bought my tickets for the 10pm showing tonight at the IMAX.

It was very average....the first and second spidey's will be the great additions to Bluray....I rate this one up there with Xmen Last Stand. Definately the worst of the series.

I liked Last Stand! Just goes to prove that we all have different opinions......

Ditto....the writing in this one seemed worse than the previous two. Sometimes, it seemed like they got Lucas to write some of it. ;)

The cheese factor was definately there on a couple of occasions and I dont remember that at all from the first 2. For a comic book movie, thats saying alot.

In the end, the action scenes made the movie and were good, but the story just wasnt as interesting as the previous ones. I found myself looking at my watch too many times.

It really reminded me of X3 and Batman Forever alot. Bad story, bad writing, too many villains, but good action scenes. Id give it 2.5 stars.

Im sure it will make a good BD title and great for home viewing (Like X3).

I don't know how you can even compare X3 and Batman Forever! Like night and day.....

I liked Last Stand! Just goes to prove that we all have different opinions......

Better than 1 or 2? I liked X3 Last Stand ok (I own the BD version). It was entertaining, like Spidey 3 was.

But, in comparison to the previous ones, it didnt stack up imo. What do you think?

As far as X-Men goes, I acutally thought the 2nd was the best followed by the 3rd one and the 1st last. For me the 1st one made too many mistakes with the villians like a stupid Toad, Sabretooth being delegated to a total stooge and lacked the action the 3rd one had. The plot was so so as well on that one. Now X-Men 3 was definitely action packed and I thought it's plot developed ok, although I disagreed with the whole mutant cure thing. The 2nd one had a very good plot, went into the characters very well, and had a good action sequences.

Now I haven't seen SM3 and sure am not liking what I'm hearing so far, but will see regardless. My thought is why try to squeeze so much into one? Is it that you think there will be no Part 4? Or this was Sam Raimi's curtain call on the movie series?

None of this is going to stop me from seeing this film.

I was just talking to someone at work who told me he's going this weekend.....when I told him about the poor reviews......his answer was "Screw that......I'm going to make up my own mind.....heck, if I listened to reviews, I would not have seen The Prestige!"

first half was awesome then it gets REALLY weird in the middle and just keeps getting weirder. and never recovers....

Better than 1 or 2? I liked X3 Last Stand ok (I own the BD version). It was entertaining, like Spidey 3 was.

But, in comparison to the previous ones, it didnt stack up imo. What do you think?

I didn't like 1 or 2 as much as 3. In fact I didn't think they would make another one after 1.

The real problem with sequels is that they are so hyped and our expectations are so high that we tend to be let down when we see them.

With the first Spidey film, having read the comics from around Amazing Spiderman #50 or so, I was not happy that they changed the storyline and did not even write in Gwen Stacey as Peter's first love interest........MJ became romantic with Peter AFTER Gwen was killed by the Green Goblin..........but you know what.....I let it go and just enjoyed the movie.

oh yah did anyone see the "matrix coming to hd-dvd" right before the movie? i bet thats gonna get allot of people going to best buy asking wheres the blu ray version lol

None of this is going to stop me from seeing this film.

I was just talking to someone at work who told me he's going this weekend.....when I told him about the poor reviews......his answer was "Screw that......I'm going to make up my own mind.....heck, if I listened to reviews, I would not have seen The Prestige!"

I rented The Prestige based on Stephen King's ravings in his column in Entertainment Weekly.

He talked about loving the movie and going back through it to see certain parts, as if it had been a great mystery with deep clues you would have missed on the first viewing.

When I watched it I didn't miss anything, it was all plain to see and not suprising in the least.

I was actually disappointed by what was a pretty good movie, because of the lack of the depth that Stephen King referred to in his review.

oh yah did anyone see the "matrix coming to hd-dvd" right before the movie? i bet thats gonna get allot of people going to best buy asking wheres the blu ray version lol

Speaking of trilogies that get worse... ;)

For those unfortunate souls who don't have an IMAX to go see this in...I see its playing in DLP also. :)

For those unfortunate souls who don't have an IMAX to go see this in...I see its playing in DLP also. :)

I have an imax walking distance from the office, I think we are going to see it as a group during a long lunch next week!

"Screw that......I'm going to make up my own mind.....heck, if I listened to reviews, I would not have seen The Prestige!"

I completely agree....Go see it and make up your own mind.

I only listen to critics when none of them like it (unless its something I really, really want to see). When all critics like something, it might sway me into seeing something I didnt care to see (or at least renting it). But, thats the extent that I listen to the critics.

When its mixed reviews, I go see it and make up my own mind. This movie is a perfect example of that.

Speaking of trilogies that get worse... ;)
hah true but from what a couple of freinds that where with me at hte movies this morning some like part 3 the most some liked part 2 some part 1 but they all thought the middle part of the movie was a complete joke... turned it into a comedy instead of an action movie.

I completely agree....Go see it and make up your own mind.

I only listen to critics when none of them like it (unless its something I really, really want to see). When all critics like something, it might sway me into seeing something I didnt care to see (or at least renting it). But, thats the extent that I listen to the critics.

When its mixed reviews, I go see it and make up my own mind. This movie is a perfect example of that.

Definitely will do.....trying to line up sometime Sunday with the family.

Another movie I really liked that did not get stellar reviews was Fantastic 4......I have it on BD now and enjoyed it.

Another movie I really liked that did not get stellar reviews was Fantastic 4......I have it on BD now and enjoyed it.

Yeah, I didnt see it at the theater, but watched it on dvd. I enjoyed it and bought the BD.

I need to watch it again before the sequel. Most likely, I will see Jessica Alba, I mean, the sequel in the theater. ;)

The new trailer for it looks funny. When they switch powers. haha

Yeah, I didnt see it at the theater, but watched it on dvd. I enjoyed it and bought the BD.

I need to watch it again before the sequel. Most likely, I will see Jessica Alba, I mean, the sequel in the theater. ;)

The new trailer for it looks funny. When they switch powers. haha

I didn't think FF4 was a terrible movie either, but "The Thing" suit look disgusting to me and the storyline for Doctor Doom was horrible. The comic book storyline for Dr.Doom just was so much better and the character was in a whole other level then what was portrayed there. The problem is there are a lot of Comic Book fans that can't wait to see these films and while you can't translate everything exactly to the big screen; it gets disappointing when what they come up with is a total opposite and on top of it all poor on effort.

I heard for FF4 2 that the major villian "Galactus" is totally butchered to the point that everyone who thought SM3 was laughable, will probably die from laughter when they see FF4 2.

Yes you are.

Saying "The Critics Seem To Like It" and then only linking to positive reviews --when it's currently at 63% on RT (and dropping) -- is the textbook definition of spin.

The critics are mixed.
At rotten tomates 99 critics liked it and 61 disliked it. So 62% of the critics liked it which sounds like the majority of them to me.

At rotten tomates 99 critics liked it and 61 disliked it. So 62% of the critics liked it which sounds like the majority of them to me.

While true, 59% means its rotten there. So, it was very close to being rotten by their standards.

I can easily see why this movie got mixed reviews.

None of this is going to stop me from seeing this film.

I was just talking to someone at work who told me he's going this weekend.....when I told him about the poor reviews......his answer was "Screw that......I'm going to make up my own mind.....heck, if I listened to reviews, I would not have seen The Prestige!"
:confused:

The Prestige received mostly positive reviews. 74% at rottentomatoes.com

:confused:

The Prestige received mostly positive reviews. 74% at rottentomatoes.com
The Prestige is a movie you have to watch more than once in order to appreciate its intricacies. Since most of the critics probably only watched it once, I think it would have gotten a much higher score had they had multiple viewings.

If I didn't already have a BD player, Spidey 3 definitely wouldn't be a deciding factor for me to buy into the format.

I factored the Spider-man movies into my decision to go Blu and was thinking ahead to Spidey 3... now I don't regret my decision to get the PS3, but Spidey 3 is a title I will buy, but I'm not excited for it. Very uneven, totally contrived and a lot of missed opportunities in the movie. The stuff that gets lots of screen time (the MJ/Peter relationship) is kind of dull, while the new, exciting fresh stuff gets the shaft (brock, gwen stacy and the black suit)... Not to mention the totally ******** ending and coincidences that are far too convenient... After the perfection that was Spider-man 2, this is a big let down.

Entertaining, but sometimes that isn't enough.

Just got back from seeing it. Better than 2 but the first is still the best in my opinion. Topher Grace really steals the show in this one. As usual Mary Jane isn't really likable at all, and you have to wonder what the two even see in eachother (in the movies). Unfortunately most of the movie centers around their relationship. The last half hour or so is definitely the highlight for me, it's just a shame they tried to cram so much in there. They could've probably done away with Sandman entirely and it wouldn't have effected the movie that much at all. He was cool eye-candy, but not necessary.

And speaking of F4, anyone else have the life sized Silver Surfer in their theatre? It's pretty freakin cool.

The move doesn't really center around anything. But I agree way better than two but number one is the best (Dafoe). Topher grace didn't get enough screen time for character development. Venom should been more of a horror movie "creature" as oppesed to a 'bizarro'.

I though James Franco actually gave the best performance, creepy and sly.
To be honest Sandman stole the show. That tranformation sequence is definently PCM demo material.

$250 million and 2 years for sand. :eek:
They have to bring that character back again.

To hell with the critics...this film f*&^$'n rocked! Makes part 1 and 2 look like nothing! This movie had it all and while I was very apprehensive of the three villians they did a great job of tying them all in and the Batman villian factor that I feared most was at eased. I finally found myself feeling like the $8 spent to see this was well worth it. I got my money's worth and more. And this will be an incredible disc to own on Blu Ray. I cannot wait! I left the theatre pumped and that is a rare feeling but a treat to know this will someday grace my 1080P LCD screen. As not being a really big fan of parts one and two this one did me in...Spiderman Forever!

What a horrible movie. Easily the worst of 07 for me. I just want 1 & 2 on BR. No chance in hell I'd subject myself through this garbage again.

The move doesn't really center around anything. But I agree way better than two but number one is the best (Dafoe). Topher grace didn't get enough screen time for character development. Venom should been more of a horror movie "creature" as oppesed to a 'bizarro'.

I though James Franco actually gave the best performance, creepy and sly.
To be honest Sandman stole the show. That tranformation sequence is definently PCM demo material.

$250 million and 2 years for sand. :eek:
They have to bring that character back again.
yep the transformation is has some crazy low bass! and your right he did the best acting out of all of them... spidy you killed it :(

If what I'm reading on forums and reviews is correct (haven't seen it yet), this is turning out to be huge debacle. I wonder if it'll even break $200m now.

To hell with the critics...this film f*&^$'n rocked! Makes part 1 and 2 look like nothing! This movie had it all and while I was very apprehensive of the three villians they did a great job of tying them all in and the Batman villian factor that I feared most was at eased. I finally found myself feeling like the $8 spent to see this was well worth it. I got my money's worth and more. And this will be an incredible disc to own on Blu Ray. I cannot wait! I left the theatre pumped and that is a rare feeling but a treat to know this will someday grace my 1080P LCD screen. As not being a really big fan of parts one and two this one did me in...Spiderman Forever!

I completely agree. I'm totally shocked at some of the negative reviews by the critics. I just got back from a midnight showing and i went in there with really low expectations due to what i've read on the internet. But as i was watching the movie, i thought to myself, this movie kicks major ass. The action scenes were freakin' awesome. Not to mention, the movie was hilarious. The only bad part was that they over did the whole Parker and MJ thing. Too many sappy crying scenes. But other than that, the movie was fantastic. Highly entertaining. Our crowd gave a nice applause at the end as well.

I saw it with kids in IMAX! To me comic book movies are what they are supposed to be. This is no different. Kids had a blast and I am glad I enjoyed the movie as much as I enjoyed 1 & 2. I liked how they portrayed bad characters.

The action sequences in this are sure to rock in Home Theater! Even if I didn't like the movie, I would have to buy BD for my kids! Fortunately, I sure will enjoy owning it! Can't wait for a boxed set release.

I was dissapointed like alot of people...Peter is way too trusting with taking his mask off....what if someone sees him? Gwen Stacy was put in the film just to have her in there.MJ wasn't as likeable as she was in the first 2 movies. I wanted to see more Venom and would have liked to have seen a more intense battle between the two...a fight like Doc Ock on the clock tower/train sequance.The whole bringing back uncle Ben's killer as Sandman was lame.This film was a mess,much like X-3. "Bigger isn't better" and Hollywood seems to think so.

Saw S3 last night.

It has plenty of action & thrills....plenty of crying, too. Although this film is ripe with villains, it doesn't overdose on them.


The Good

They sorta' borrowed a page from Superman III with the goth-Spidey thing, which worked well, IMO, but then the movie steps out of itself in a strange turn during the *jazz-club scene. It loses major cool points for this. If they delete that in a Director's Cut home-release, those points will be regained. Sam Raimi should learn when to say when.


The Bad

Spidey/Venom at the church's bell-tower (not unlike DareDevil), and the little plot-twist thing they tried with the Sandman were weak, but forgiveable scenes. BTW, I got a kick out of all the little kids who clapped everytime Spidey got in a good hit on Sandman.


The Ugly

Now there are a few plot holes; such as the things inexplicably kept secret by Harry's butler and Captain Stacey (I won't spoil it). BTW, the actress that portrayed his daughter (Gwen) was spot-on as far as looks go. But, they brought her on a little too late, I guess.

Initially I said, "the more Spidey, the better." And strangely, I change my mind on that stance. It feels like they slammed the lid on this franchise. I no longer want any more sequels, and if they do any more, it'll need a different lead-actor, a non-annoying girlfriend, a different director, and a totally new direction to be interesting and successful.



Summary

To be fair with the comic-book hero I loved the most growing up: S3 is kind of, um, mediocre (I know, say it aint so...). The writing could and should have been better. It falters as a third installment, as does X-men 3, but that's where the similarities end. X3 had literally dozens and dozens of bad guys/gals, compared to only a few here (I wish people would quit comparing S3 to X3).

Some would deduct points for not bringing back composer Danny Elfman, but the score is not what's wrong here. But it's not a total loss, however; I do think the LFE on S3 is gonna be sic.



On a 5-Star rating system:
S1=3 stars.....S2=3.5 stars.....S3?=2.5 stars




*ps: (note to director; please delete this scene from home video...thank you)

I liked the movie. It had a good old fashion message that you don't see in movies anymore. The one thing that I didn't like were some of the fight scenes. It is a disturbing trend in all of these action movies that they make a cut every two seconds and you can't see much of anything when they do that. I also thought that it was too ambitious and that there was to much going on. Despite some of the problems in the movie, I think it is my favorite with the second one coming in a close second.

I just saw it last night and I enjoyed the hell out of it! The theather was pack and they all seamed to enjoy it aswell. Definetly a worthy purchase on BD.

Umm where was Harry's butler in the 1st 2 movies to fill him in about his father? Just decided now was the time to tell him?

Overall I thought it was good but not great. Loved the Bruce Campbell scene. Wished it went on longer. Thought the Sandman villian was well done (and the actor was great) and would of rather just had this 1 villian. The whole John Travolta/Emo scene went on to long and the Jazz Club scene was out of place. Oh what could of been.

Sony will be crying all the way to the bank. Spider-man 3 just broke the single day record: $59 million on Friday and $104 million worldwide.

http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com/us-spidey-3-looking-bigger-than-1-or-2/

I can't understand some of you people? It is almost that you guys just want 100% action and could care less about the character's development, feelings, and emotions...and that is wrong. Spidey 2 sucked...I mean lets have a villian fight these intense fight scenes and then say you know what I am good and drown himself...the whole movie tanked there. Spiderman 1...well that Goblin outfit was ridiculous...but thsi Spidey was intense and captivated me teh whole way through and I was pretty low after seeing teh critics bash it and all of you people as well. And while I admit the trailer too for F4 was indeed fantastic this movie SM3 was every bit as good and I for one thought the nighclub scene was hilarious.

Sony will be crying all the way to the bank. Spider-man 3 just broke the single day record: $59 million on Friday and $104 million worldwide.

http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com/us-spidey-3-looking-bigger-than-1-or-2/

You do realize that they are saying S3 is the most expensive movie ever made? And that it is playing on a record number of screens this weekend? And it is following up a movie that some people thought was the greatest comic book movie ever? So why would ANYONE be surprised by big, record-breaking first weekend numbers?

I don't think that anyone is saying that S3 is going to be a money loser for Sony. But how much money it actually makes for Sony is another question entirely. There is a lot of competition coming in May, so it needs to make a lot of money QUICKLY, unless it has a lot of staying power. The mixed reviews so far, from both the critics and everyday movie-goers, indicate that S3 will not have that staying power. A month from now we will know how much of a success S3 will be. The opening weekend won't tell us anything other than S3 avoided being a financial failure.

^^ What he said

I just saw this last night at the drive-in (a double feature with Casino Royale!) and while I thought some aspects of it were great, I wish the execution had been better.

I thought that the film dealt with what are arguably the most powerful themes out of the whole trilogy, but some of the plot elements were a bit too contrived for my liking. And then we run into quite a few moments that come off as being too cheesy (for me, anyway) like the newscast and the comments from the bystanders that just felt shoehorned in.

I still thought the film was a respectable and enjoyable entry in the series despite its drawbacks, though far inferior to Spider-Man 2. It may not be the best 'part 3,' but I've definitely seen worse. Much worse.

I'll most likely be buying it on BD when it comes out, especially if there's a trilogy boxed set or something along those lines.

59 million on the first day is incredible. I myself am in no rush to see the 3rd film just for the fact that I have never been a Spiderman fan, and I use to be big into comics. I actually want to see 28 Weeks Later more than any other film this summer along with Transformers and the new Bourne movie. I will soon will pick up a PS3 unless Fox or Disney join the HD DVD camp, I want Con Air and The Rock.

You do realize that they are saying S3 is the most expensive movie ever made? And that it is playing on a record number of screens this weekend? And it is following up a movie that some people thought was the greatest comic book movie ever? So why would ANYONE be surprised by big, record-breaking first weekend numbers?

I don't think that anyone is saying that S3 is going to be a money loser for Sony. But how much money it actually makes for Sony is another question entirely. There is a lot of competition coming in May, so it needs to make a lot of money QUICKLY, unless it has a lot of staying power. The mixed reviews so far, from both the critics and everyday movie-goers, indicate that the S3 will not have that staying power. A month from now we will know how much of a success S3 will be. The opening weekend won't tell us anything other than S3 avoided being a financial failure.

ROFL ...you actually think SM3 will be a financial failure? They have 2 weeks all to themselves before Shrek3 comes to theaters. Even if they only gross $500 million worldwide, it will not be a financial failure. No, in terms of production cost, SM3 is not the most expensive movie ever made:

1)Cleopatra $290.2 mil
2)Superman Returns $268.5 mil
3)Spider-man 3 $258 mil (http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=2307&p=.htm)
4)Titanic $250.2 mil
5)Waterworld $231.6 mil
6) Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest $223.1 mil

http://www.forbes.com/2005/12/08/cx_lr_bigbudgetslide.html?thisSpeed=35000',800,600

I heard Evan Almighty have surpassed $225 million in production cost.

M Night seemed to like it. Sat next to him at the King Of Prussia UA LOL

I was wondering why the heck the security guard was reserving seats, I was like WTF?

What a horrible movie. Easily the worst of 07 for me. I just want 1 & 2 on BR. No chance in hell I'd subject myself through this garbage again.


That's pretty much how I felt about it.

ROFL ...you actually think SM3 will be a financial failure? They have 2 weeks all to themselves before Shrek3 comes to theaters. Even if they only gross $500 million worldwide, it will not be a financial failure. No, in terms of production cost, SM3 is not the most expensive movie ever made:

1)Cleopatra $290.2 mil
2)Superman Returns $268.5 mil
3)Spider-man 3 $258 mil (http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=2307&p=.htm)
4)Titanic $250.2 mil
5)Waterworld $231.6 mil
6) Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest $223.1 mil

http://www.forbes.com/2005/12/08/cx_lr_bigbudgetslide.html?thisSpeed=35000',800,600

I heard Evan Almighty have surpassed $225 million in production cost.

Waterworld made that much $? WTF? :eek:

You do realize that they are saying S3 is the most expensive movie ever made? And that it is playing on a record number of screens this weekend? And it is following up a movie that some people thought was the greatest comic book movie ever? So why would ANYONE be surprised by big, record-breaking first weekend numbers?

I don't think that anyone is saying that S3 is going to be a money loser for Sony. But how much money it actually makes for Sony is another question entirely.I agree with much of what you said, but his did follow a post that said:
If what I'm reading on forums and reviews is correct (haven't seen it yet), this is turning out to be huge debacle. I wonder if it'll even break $200m now.
As far as these format wars, I think the bigger question here is how it will do on disc. That won't have quite the leadin from the last one since there will be more word out about what people thought of this one at the theater by the time it comes out on disc. The reviews aren't looking great, but on the other hand they are better than those for the second PotC movie and that did very well at both the box office and on DVD from what I recall.

I wonder how it will do in places like France on disc and how that will affect the format war in Europe later this year. I saw that it set an opening day record in France at the theater.

--Darin

Waterworld made that much $? WTF? :eek:I'm pretty sure that was cost. Waterworld brought in $88 million in the US and $264 million worldwide at the box office (according to boxofficemojo.com). They also list the production budget at $175 million, but maybe that doesn't include overruns.

--Darin

i am just back from the imax. and i have to say this movie was the fooking bomb!

The action was far out the best action i have ever seen!

i do not understand how people cannot like this movie. if you want the whole charchter stuff buy the comics! that is what they are for!

with spiderman i wanted the kick ass action of the comics. and it delivered. i wonder how on earth did they made that action so real when spiderman and goblin where falling down and the camera just locked on them. never changed . amazing!

and did anyone saw that shot when venom was blowing up and you saw for 1 second that skeleton staying and then vaporising.

anyway i will see this again tommorow. what an fooking awesome movie. much better then part 1 and 2. maybe my most favourite comic to movie adoption ever.

franco nailed it this time as well as goblin. his acting was much better then in part 2.

but the actionm is what it is all about. best fooking action scenes ever.

BIGGEr is BETTER!!!! now bring spider 4 with lizzard and scorpion. that would be great :)

I'm pretty sure that was cost. Waterworld brought in $88 million in the US and $264 million worldwide at the box office (according to boxofficemojo.com). They also list the production budget at $175 million, but maybe that doesn't include overruns.

--Darin

The numbers I posted are adjusted to 2006. Inflation and all that. :D

I can't believe they let Dunce sing two songs. Cut that crap and give more time to Venom if you ask me.

The movie made $59,000,000.00 on it's first day out.

I just find it funny how each Spiderman movie costs around $100,000,000 more to make than Batman Begins, yet BB is arguably the superior movie and has the appearance of higher production values.

had some cool parts, but the dancing and singing ruined it for me. People even started booing in the theater during those scenes. Won't be wasting my money on the Blu-ray.

I can't believe they let Dunce sing two songs. Cut that crap and give more time to Venom if you ask me.Sounds like they should release the disc with an optional condensed cut. :)

--Darin

Lots of grain in the print I just saw. Much like Xmen: The Last Stand I can hear the complaints on the BDs already...

ROFL ...you actually think SM3 will be a financial failure? They have 2 weeks all to themselves before Shrek3 comes to theaters. Even if they only gross $500 million worldwide, it will not be a financial failure. No, in terms of production cost, SM3 is not the most expensive movie ever made:

1)Cleopatra $290.2 mil
2)Superman Returns $268.5 mil
3)Spider-man 3 $258 mil (http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=2307&p=.htm)
4)Titanic $250.2 mil
5)Waterworld $231.6 mil
6) Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest $223.1 mil

http://www.forbes.com/2005/12/08/cx_lr_bigbudgetslide.html?thisSpeed=35000',800,600

I heard Evan Almighty have surpassed $225 million in production cost.

You actually think I wrote S3 would be a financial failure? Where did I write that? In the end, production cost does not matter. Return on investment is what matters. How much will Sony make compared to their investment in this movie, in percentage terms?

I can also quibble with those Forbes numbers. What does that budget for Superman Returns include, because Warner spent a lot of money that was NOT used for the movie that was finally made. And if you want to throw Cleopatra in, I could just as easily throw in Intolerance as the most expensive movie ever made. And Birth of a Nation is the all time box office king.

As for how well this will do on BD, as of this moment it would be easy to predict that it will do significantly better than Casino Royale (and not just because there will be more BD owners at that point). But it is pretty obvious at this point that it will not be as successful as it could have been, had it been a better movie. And I don't know how many people will rush out to buy BD players just because of S3-though the release of the first two Spiderman movies would certainly help.

tell me people...besides your little train action with that fat a$# Doc Ocks character in Spider-man 2 what the hell made that such a better movie over 3? To all you people who complain aboutthe comedy in Spider-man 3 then obviously you have no sense of humor and to all who complained about the emotions then obviously you lack feelings...people were crying all around me in 2 different scenes in the theatre and being a person who thought little of the first two I thought this movie hit it right on! I mean it was like Raimi did not even direct the first two and this was his crowning masterpiece. All I can say is bring on the Lizard man! BTW...in teh comics...just curious...how is the Lizard man made? Does that venom material he has have anything to do with it? Can that possibly be Carnage? I don't know the comics too well. I just hope the Lizard man is better than the Green Goblin. He was a disappointment after knowing what teh Green Goblin was in teh comics. And who was the Hob-Goblin? He was cool!

Umm where was Harry's butler in the 1st 2 movies to fill him in about his father? Just decided now was the time to tell him?

I have not seen the movie yet as I not a fan of large crouds at the movies :eek: but in the movie SM2 the butler told Harry that his father only obsessed with work if I recall correctly. :confused:

ROFL ...you actually think SM3 will be a financial failure? They have 2 weeks all to themselves before Shrek3 comes to theaters. Even if they only gross $500 million worldwide, it will not be a financial failure. No, in terms of production cost, SM3 is not the most expensive movie ever made:

1)Cleopatra $290.2 mil
2)Superman Returns $268.5 mil
3)Spider-man 3 $258 mil (http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=2307&p=.htm)
4)Titanic $250.2 mil
5)Waterworld $231.6 mil
6) Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest $223.1 mil

http://www.forbes.com/2005/12/08/cx_lr_bigbudgetslide.html?thisSpeed=35000',800,600

I heard Evan Almighty have surpassed $225 million in production cost.
Production costs DOES NOT include marketing costs. How much do you think Sony is spending to market their highest profile release? $100 million?

I must say that the people around me, my son, and myself found the Ron Burgandyesque seen in the Jazz club entertaining.

Production costs DOES NOT include marketing costs. How much do you think Sony is spending to market their highest profile release? $100 million?
Im pretty sure Marketing costs were $150 Million for SM3

Production costs DOES NOT include marketing costs. How much do you think Sony is spending to market their highest profile release? $100 million?

Did I say anything to indicate such??? :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

had some cool parts, but the dancing and singing ruined it for me. People even started booing in the theater during those scenes. Won't be wasting my money on the Blu-ray.

Good. That will make it easier to get my copy! :)

Terrible movie , even worse than the first two and that was hard to do . Poorly written , poorly directed and poorly acted . Now we know why Toby said he will probably not be doing another Spiderman film .

--- Jason

Terrible movie , even worse than the first two and that was hard to do . Poorly written , poorly directed and poorly acted . Now we know why Toby said he will probably not be doing another Spiderman film .

--- Jason


i agree, I hated this movie. HUGE disappointment. Venom was beyond wasted. even sandman, they didnt do anything with him they didnt even finish his story with his kid. The scene with Harry's butler coming out at the exact moment was the lamest thing I have seen in years. The only good action scene was the out of control Crane scene. I wont pick this crappy flick up on Bluray or DVD.

I didn't think FF4 was a terrible movie either, but "The Thing" suit look disgusting to me and the storyline for Doctor Doom was horrible. The comic book storyline for Dr.Doom just was so much better and the character was in a whole other level then what was portrayed there. The problem is there are a lot of Comic Book fans that can't wait to see these films and while you can't translate everything exactly to the big screen; it gets disappointing when what they come up with is a total opposite and on top of it all poor on effort.

I heard for FF4 2 that the major villian "Galactus" is totally butchered to the point that everyone who thought SM3 was laughable, will probably die from laughter when they see FF4 2.


how can you say you heard about Galactus being butchered no one has seen it, the screening that was a rumor was untrue.that Galactus was a clould like form. it ended up being false. To me FF2 looks really good. Cant be any worse then Spiderman 3

Did I say anything to indicate such??? :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Marketing counts towards COST.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Blu Ray? PASS! Won't pay that much to see that again. Now, Spiderman 2, I will buy on Blu.

I say I won't be getting it on Blu-ray, but Im sure I will cave and get it. I will just have to skip over the musical scenes. The action sequences were really good and should be reference material once its out.

Blu Ray? PASS! Won't pay that much to see that again. Now, Spiderman 2, I will buy on Blu.


I would also pick up Spiderman 2 and 1 but would never watch Spiderman 3 again.

I say I won't be getting it on Blu-ray, but Im sure I will cave and get it. I will just have to skip over the musical scenes. The action sequences were really good and should be reference material once its out.

wtf...musical scene? spiderman the musical? lol.

i havent seen this movie yet...but i will see it on tuesday on imax.

any1 here know if potc 3 will come out on imax also?

Marketing counts towards COST.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

What ...you take me for an idiot? Of course I know that ...I specifically stated "PRODUCTION COST" and was also responding to this post:

You do realize that they are saying S3 is the most expensive movie ever made? ...

No where did he mention "total cost" or the costliest movie ever. It wasn't my fault the poster wasn't more specific.

I really cant understand how people enjoyed this movie. you know, even thought none of the emo stuff bothered me that much, the ending just took a dump on everything. I mean everything about the ending was just so bad. Spoilers!: his bultler SUDDENLY telling him everything after years of knowing, spidy and the goblin teaming up with such great liners as "if you guys arent busy i could use a little help over her" and the great "it would have been nice to have you 5mins ago". I mean who let who write a script drunk on the back of a bar napkin...it sounds like a lot of this movie was written by a 12 years old. At the end (with the way the rest of the movie was going) i thought some asian guy was gonna scream "run its godzilla!" I cant believe some of you liked how venom looked....and im not even talking about the actor im talking about his mask....the effect was terrible. some of you need to watch some other movies with good effects that look real like....i dont know....spiderman 2! his mask looked like a step back in the visual department....even my wife who could care less about effects thought venoms mask looked like crap....come on guys....it did look really bad....it looked like cgi of a cartoon...

Terrible movie , even worse than the first two and that was hard to do . Poorly written , poorly directed and poorly acted . Now we know why Toby said he will probably not be doing another Spiderman film .

--- Jason

Even for 20 million? I heard the rumor was he got 16 million for S3 and have offered him 20m for S4.
All these people that didn't like the movie. Sony is still going to be laughing all the way to the bank. They already got your money. It could have been the worst movie ever made and it would still be able to easily have a high gross.
I have no desire to see the movie while it is so crowed but my girlfriend really wants to see it so I'll be there in a packed theater on Sunday. They'll get my money also! :D

I really cant understand how people enjoyed this movie. you know, even thought none of the emo stuff bothered me that much, the ending just took a dump on everything. I mean everything about the ending was just so bad. Spoilers!: his bultler SUDDENLY telling him everything after years of knowing, spidy and the goblin teaming up with such great liners as "if you guys arent busy i could use a little help over her" and the great "it would have been nice to have you 5mins ago". I mean who let who write a script drunk on the back of a bar napkin...it sounds like a lot of this movie was written by a 12 years old. At the end (with the way the rest of the movie was going) i thought some asian guy was gonna scream "run its godzilla!" I cant believe some of you liked how venom looked....and im not even talking about the actor im talking about his mask....the effect was terrible. some of you need to watch some other movies with good effects that look real like....i dont know....spiderman 2! his mask looked like a step back in the visual department....even my wife who could care less about effects thought venoms mask looked like crap....come on guys....it did look really bad....it looked like cgi of a cartoon...

I guess you have not seen any Spider-man comic books with Venom in it. Venom was intentionally depicted and drawn cartoonish. I dunno how different they could render Venom in live action. It was rather cartoonish and vague in the comic books. Remember, Stan Lee, the father of Marvel Comics and creator of Spider-man personally oversaw the production of this movie.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Aliensymbiote.jpg

I thought it was a decent movie, much better than pt.1. I loved the whole Peter Parker ladies man section of the film. If anything I think the action was a little over the top with the flying surfboard & giant SandMan.

why do you assume just because i thought it looked cartoonish that i dont know anything about spider-amn? you are right about one thing though...i havent bought a spiderman comic ain a while but i followed the cartoon back in the day and i bought the very first vemon series for a while back in the early 90's and no hes DOES NOT look like a cartoon....he looks like a frickin huge vicious badass killer who looks like he came straight out of a nightmare. I also used to collect spiderman card sets and not a sinlge artist drew venom as such. So no venom was never intended to look like a frickin cartoon when he came out in what was it?86 until i stopped following it in the late 90's. so if thats how he looks now a days in the comics, a frickin cartoon, then thats sad, and not at all what his creators intened. i might be mistaken and i dont feel like looking it up....but i dont think stan lee had anything to do iwth the creation of venom. he created spiderman but i dont think he was the one that made it famous. stan lee created a lot but i dont know what books he was writing when marvel made it big. i do know x-men made marvel huge in the eearly 80's when stan lee had nothing to do with it. spiderman started in what? 60 something? and when venom came the mid-80's so having stan lee help with sm3 holds little to nothing to me. For me vemon's effects looked like a cartoon and not at all faithful to the comic style that made him famous. just go to yahoo for crying out loud and look for venom pics and see how many of them look like cartoons and how many look like the description i gave.

"He is also less muscular and more lean, though his face is relevant to Todd McFarlane's original design."

From Wikipedia. I liked the movie alot as well as this venom. And of course he looks like a cartoon, he's a character in a comic book. Google image venom and you will definitely see.

ROFL ...you actually think SM3 will be a financial failure? They have 2 weeks all to themselves before Shrek3 comes to theaters. Even if they only gross $500 million worldwide, it will not be a financial failure. No, in terms of production cost, SM3 is not the most expensive movie ever made:

1)Cleopatra $290.2 mil
2)Superman Returns $268.5 mil
3)Spider-man 3 $258 mil (http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=2307&p=.htm)
4)Titanic $250.2 mil
5)Waterworld $231.6 mil
6) Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest $223.1 mil

http://www.forbes.com/2005/12/08/cx_lr_bigbudgetslide.html?thisSpeed=35000',800,600

I heard Evan Almighty have surpassed $225 million in production cost.

War and Peace is the most expensive movie ever made. Spiderman was totally worth the cash.

Sandman is just spectacular. The problem with venom is that you see eddie brocks face more than venom's.

Again Raimi should have introduce venom in more of a horror movie fashion. Darkness and noises(Alien) evetually building up to this monster. I read somewhere that Raimi was originally a horror director, this should have been easy(kids were scared of sandman). He shoulda went full tilt.

Well, I have to say I liked Spider-man 3. It's not as good as the original, it's not as great as part 2, but so what. No trilogy has been this consistent, except maybe LOTR but that's on a whole different shelf of films.

I was too disappointed that Venom wasn't as scary as he should've been. I understand that you can't have blood and guts flying but the hospital scene in part 2 was at least suspenseful and horrorfying. Seemed like Raimi held back this time.

Advance pre paid tickets in hand with dinner included went and seen Spiderman 3 last night and must say it cannot compete with the first 2 releases...but it was still entertaining. There was 4 theaters showing this feature film and they were all full. I would give Spiderman 3 a 3.5 rating at best.


Spiderman 1=Excellent... Will buy on BD
Spiderman 2=Excellent... Will buy on BD
Spiderman 3=Good... I probably will not buy on BD or SD

Didn't know this thread was here( my other got closed ) but I also have to put yet another vote in for horrible on this movie. I am still overly disappointed.

This franchise is dead and I honestly feel they can't go anywhere else with the Spidey movies without new direction.

The X-Men The Last Stand of 2007. Without question. It might be a worse offense only because the same crew was behind Spider-Man 3 as the previous two films. Such is not the case for X-Men The Last Stand.

And the sad thing about the film is that I thought Kirsten Dunst and James Franco (for 70% of it) were the best parts of the film. I mean, say what you want about Kirsten but she brought some real heart to the film. It seemed like she was in a different film all together.

Sure, her storyline isn't the most likeable but it felt real and it felt like the natural progression of her character from film two. And, it totally makes sense when you look at how Peter is in the film.

The last scene in the film, in the club, is the perfect ending to this trilogy because Raimi has been more interested in Peter Parker then Spider-Man. The problem is that the film that proceeds this ending doesn't earn that honest moment of understanding between Peter and Mary Jane.

Had Spider-Man 3 had the grace and heart of Spider-Man 2, that ending would've been a perfect way to end Raimi's trilogy. As it stands, it's very, very hollow.

I can pretty much guarantee that I won't be getting this on Blu-Ray. Let's just hope we get not only Spider-Man 2 on Blu-Ray but 2.1 as well. And I can almost bet that Fantastic Four Rise of the Silver Surfer will be better than Spider-Man 3.

It's that damn bad....

This was not a good movie. Time to stop at 3.

It's got to be worth at least $5. We're going to see the 11:45 AM showing this morning. All AMC shows berfore 12PM are only $5 here.

I hope that the Spider-man movies are released as a trilogy pack only on BD making all of you bite your words and having to buy it on Blu Ray. You guys are ripping the movie apart way too much...now you are complaining Venom looked bad...let me think back...hmmm...Spider-man 1...the Green Goblin in that g#$ a#@ suit...did you see what he looked like? And fat ass Doc Ocks? C'mon people...this is the silliest forum board thread I ever read.

You guys are ripping the movie apart way too much...I think the backlash is commensurate with the hype.

At least the Blu-ray and HD DVD fanboys are agreeing on something though! The world can be a happy diverse place! (At Spiderman 3's expense)

And yes, the movie is worth 5 dollars in my eyes. Its entertaining and Im sure kids are going to love it since they aren't as critical as us!

I saw the flick last night and went in with no expectations after the backlash from everyone (including people I know).

I got to say I loved it. Yes Spiderman 2 was better...but this was still plenty of fun!

Someone on DVDtalk said it best...the Spidey movies arent comic movies anymore...they are more mainstream (which is fine with me because I never could get into comics).

This movie reminded me a ton of Superman Returns. More character development than action, which is perfectly fine with me.

The dance section was of course over the top and the strutting completely silly...but each film has had that campy feel to it (but not so campy that its 1960s Batman). It's a fun summer flick and thats all...the others were just as well.

Everyone nitpicking about "the butler scene" or "the crying" or "Vemon was wasted" or whatever...WHO CARES? You can't stand a little emotion in your film or cliched character arcs. Just enjoy the flick...you don't see people tearing apart Star Wars Episode III (which is just a notch better than the first two) . I think the comic kids (or adults now) don't liek the fact that Raimi is taking stories and turning them into more mainstream stories for a wider audience...and it works fine with me.

If they keep making these movies I hope they keep the cheese and charm that the first three have had. That was my one big gripe with Pirates 2...it took itself a little too seriously compared to the first.

Oh and I don't own a Blu Ray player...but Spiderman (all three) could be the movies that move me over.

I got to say I loved it. Yes Spiderman 2 was better...but this was still plenty of fun!

The dance section was of course over the top and the strutting completely silly...but each film has had that campy feel to it (but not so campy that its 1960s Batman). It's a fun summer flick and thats all...the others were just as well.

That's pretty much how I feel as well. I think Spiderman 2 was the best of the 3 films thus far. 1 & 3 are about equal in my mind.

Also agree on the "camp" factor. I actually thought some of the "cool" Peter Parker stuff was hilarious, and most of the people in the theater were laughing too. No matter how "bad" or "chic" Peter Parker thinks he is, he's still a dork at the end of the day. The dance scene: I don't get my so many people didn't like it. I thought it went a long ways to showing what a pr!ck Peter was while he was under the influence of the black suit. The fact that it made him use one woman to hurt the woman he really loved was the whole point. He's no longer in control of himself.

Spider-Man 3 (2007):
TOTAL LIFETIME GROSSES
Domestic: $148,000,000 39.5%
+ Foreign: $227,000,000 60.5%
= Worldwide: $375,000,000


........ Holy ****

Terrible movie , even worse than the first two and that was hard to do . Poorly written , poorly directed and poorly acted . Now we know why Toby said he will probably not be doing another Spiderman film .

--- Jason

Why did you even bother if you didn't like the first two?

Spider-Man 3 was an incredible movie, very entertaining, and much better than the second one (sorry Doc Ock fans, but gliders and pumpking bombs are better anyday), but still not as good as the first one. Regardless, this is a must buy, and any Spider-Man fan should love this movie. There are a few flaws in it, and unless you have to nitpick at them, the movie is one non-stop action ride. The only thing I really have to complain about is that the movie could have done without Venom, and teh ending was a little abrupt. Other than that, you don't want to miss a thing.

spiderman 3 made $148 M domestically this weekend. i dont care about worldwide tix sale.

so with $148 M...did it break any record compare to spiderman 1 or 2 or other movie for the first weekend or something? if not...it is consider a bust in my book.

spiderman 3 made $148 M domestically this weekend. i dont care about worldwide tix sale.

so with $148 M...did it break any record compare to spiderman 1 or 2 or other movie for the first weekend or something? if not...it is consider a bust in my book.

Yes it has pretty much broken every record.

Yes it has pretty much broken every record.

oh yeah? what was the opening weekend for spiderman 1 and 2?

oh yeah? what was the opening weekend for spiderman 1 and 2?

It broke the one day record and the opening weekend record.

Spider man had 114 million the first weekend and spiderman2 had 88 million it's first weekend, but I think it also opened on a Wednesday.

On biggest opening Day Spiderman 3 had 59 million, Spiderman 2 had 40 millon, and Spiderman had 39 million.

It was definitely worth the $5 each for my girlfriend and I . We both enjoyed it. I think SPiderman 2 was better but Spiderman 3 was an enjoyable movie. It was a packed theater though. I think we'll be shooting for these early shows for all these big movies coming out. It works out well since you can just come right in and sit down since you don't have to wait for a previous showing to let out.

It also played in the highest number of theaters: 4,252, over 10,000 screens.

The one movie that will not be overtaken is Titanic, it took in 600 million in the U.S. alone.

And that's back in 1998 dollars. Took in even more worldwide.

You nay-sayers are all nuts!!!

I just got back from the theater and loved it! Sure it was a bit slow in parts, but Venom and Sandman were awesome. There needs to be a Spidey 4 with alot more Venom.

The whole family enjoyed it.......I mentioned some critics poor reviews and my daughter said, "Dad, they are just people with opinions....why do you listen to them?"

I'm very happy I went to see it and can't wait for the Blu-Ray!!!!

You nay-sayers are all nuts!!!

I just got back from the theater and loved it! Sure it was a bit slow in parts, but Venom and Sandman were awesome. There needs to be a Spidey 4 with alot more Venom.

The whole family enjoyed it.......I mentioned some critics poor reviews and my daughter said, "Dad, they are just people with opinions....why do you listen to them?"

I'm very happy I went to see it and can't wait for the Blu-Ray!!!!

Yep, overall the movie was lots better than the first two because it appealed to a wider range of audiences. There's a reason why it's breaking all the box office numbers :)

Spiderman had bigger cajones in S3, not like the melodramatic character in Spiderman 2.

How can people say Spiderman 2 was astounding, then bash Ang Lee's Hulk. They basicaly have the same tone but Hulk pulls of the humanity thing a bit better.

cawgijoe:

There needs to be a Spidey 4 with alot more Venom.


Going to be hard to do since they Darth Mauled Venom.

cawgijoe:




Going to be hard to do since they Darth Mauled Venom.


You forget that there is still a piece of the symbiote in Dr. Connor's lab....... :cool:

By the way.....they haven't turned Dr Connors into the Lizard yet.....hmmmmm...

You forget that there is still a piece of the symbiote in Dr. Connor's lab....... :cool:

By the way.....they haven't turned Dr Connors into the Lizard yet.....hmmmmm...

Right...but Eddie Brock was vaporized....Give me Venom without Eddie Brock and i'll puke on it.

The Lizard would be very interesting but I still think this series needs new direction. not to mention Tobey and Kirsten will most likely not be back. Its going to be a looooonnnnnngggggg time before we see another Spidey movie.

Right...but Eddie Brock was vaporized....Give me Venom without Eddie Brock and i'll puke on it.

The Lizard would be very interesting but I still think this series needs new direction. not to mention Tobey and Kirsten will most likely not be back. Its going to be a looooonnnnnngggggg time before we see another Spidey movie.

Don't forget....it's the comics.......you can always keep Eddie Brock by giving him a "last-second" out that wasn't shown in the film..........

As to whether the cast will be back.....you can't say it won't happen......money talks as well as egos......I'm sure the cast as well as Raimi has read the reviews......

Don't forget....it's the comics.......you can always keep Eddie Brock by giving him a "last-second" out that wasn't shown in the film..........

As to whether the cast will be back.....you can't say it won't happen......money talks as well as egos......I'm sure the cast as well as Raimi has read the reviews......

I know money talks but take a look at the promotional interviews the cast gave...James Franco on MTV, Tobey on Good Morning America, and Kirsten on The Early Show...all gave the impression that they were through with the series. Franco is definately done as well as Topher Grace. You can't bring him back and if they did, it wouldn't be too convincing.

Tobey clearly stated that this genre is not what he gravitates toward and Kirsten said, and I'm paraphrasing, that two was already enough and three was just over the top(milking the franchise.)

I would love to have this series continue but a new spiderman and director is needed. Take a long break and then come back. But please keep JJJ....he is just too funny and perfectly casted.

Here's my review:
I liked the sandman transformation with the exception of the stolen-from-fantastic-four shot of him grabbing the pendant.

I liked the action and the effects.

Everything else at least mildly annoyed me.

There are WAAAY too many coincidences and plain-'ol unexplained plot contrivances.

I just hate Mary Jane. She's a whiney biotch. Why is Peter with her when all she does is complain?

And all the crying was just too much, especially since the filmmakers seem to believe that having a good cry is resolution enough.

Why is Gwen Stacy in this film? She's in 3 short scenes and that's it. The entire time I want Peter to trade up.

And the emo hair in the eyes bit was so frustrating. The shot of him actually pulling the hair down is cringe-worthy.

I actually thought the disco strut was funny, but his weird dance....whatever it was in the restaraunt was hauntingly abysmal.

Topher Grace does his best, but he can't quite pull off Venom, just confirming what we were all afraid of. Why does he have bad teeth when the symbiot retracts? That makes no sense. And his whimpy little voice coming out of that horrific visage sounds stupid.

If you're going to have Sandman in the film, take a minute to explain what his daughter has, why he needs money and most of all, what the heck was going on with the sand that turned him into Sandman!

Ultimately the film makes many of the same mistakes Batman & Robin did. I assume this is for the same reasons. Too many cooks in the kitchen, a manic need for more toys and tie-ins, a sense that bigger is better.

Right...but Eddie Brock was vaporized....Give me Venom without Eddie Brock and i'll puke on it.
My impression was that now Eddie and the symbiote are one. The explosion reconfigured them into one being.

My big hope is that there will be a Venom spin-off now with Kirstin Dunst nowhere to be found.

My impression was that now Eddie and the symbiote are one. The explosion reconfigured them into one being.
If that's true, where'd they go? It sure seemed like they were both vaporized - Eddie was reduced to a skeleton (much like the board members who were killed with Goblin's pumpkin bomb in the first movie.)

What in the movie suggested that they merged and/or survived?

If that's true, where'd they go? It sure seemed like they were both vaporized - Eddie was reduced to a skeleton (much like the board members who were killed with Goblin's pumpkin bomb in the first movie.)

What in the movie suggested that they merged and/or survived?
The fact that there is no way they killed off the biggest,best villain in Spidey canon after 10 minutes of screen time.

Where'd he go? He's Venom! He liquified and scooted out of there. I'm sure this will be shown in a subsequent film/spinoff.

Who cares!! Venom is one of the lamest Spider-Man villians when you come down to it. He in no way shape or form even fits with Spider-Man's enemies. Venom is pretty much just a tool Marvel uses to make money, right up there with Wolverine. Next thing you know, Avi Arad will force whoever to put Wolverine into Spider-Man 4. Raimi HATES Venom, and he has stated it a thousand times, and I wish Marvel would pull that stick out of their asses and let director's do what the hell THEY want with the movies instead of controlling everyone.

I love SM3, and I hope that if Raimi does another, he tells everyone to piss off as they got their Venom, leave him the hell alone.

I would spazz out if Wolvie was in Spider-Man 3, that would be so badass.

Who cares!! Venom is one of the lamest Spider-Man villians when you come down to it. He in no way shape or form even fits with Spider-Man's enemies. Venom is pretty much just a tool Marvel uses to make money, right up there with Wolverine. Next thing you know, Avi Arad will force whoever to put Wolverine into Spider-Man 4. Raimi HATES Venom, and he has stated it a thousand times, and I wish Marvel would pull that stick out of their asses and let director's do what the hell THEY want with the movies instead of controlling everyone.

I love SM3, and I hope that if Raimi does another, he tells everyone to piss off as they got their Venom, leave him the hell alone.


I understand what you mean, but the main reason Marvel is so controlling now is because in the past they trusted people to deliver, and they just put out crap movies that tarnished the liscense. Should Marvel excercise restraint, yes they should, but they also need to maintain some control as well.

Here's my review:
I liked the sandman transformation with the exception of the stolen-from-fantastic-four shot of him grabbing the pendant.

I liked the action and the effects.

Everything else at least mildly annoyed me.

There are WAAAY too many coincidences and plain-'ol unexplained plot contrivances.

I just hate Mary Jane. She's a whiney biotch. Why is Peter with her when all she does is complain?

And all the crying was just too much, especially since the filmmakers seem to believe that having a good cry is resolution enough.

Why is Gwen Stacy in this film? She's in 3 short scenes and that's it. The entire time I want Peter to trade up.

And the emo hair in the eyes bit was so frustrating. The shot of him actually pulling the hair down is cringe-worthy.

I actually thought the disco strut was funny, but his weird dance....whatever it was in the restaraunt was hauntingly abysmal.

Topher Grace does his best, but he can't quite pull off Venom, just confirming what we were all afraid of. Why does he have bad teeth when the symbiot retracts? That makes no sense. And his whimpy little voice coming out of that horrific visage sounds stupid.

If you're going to have Sandman in the film, take a minute to explain what his daughter has, why he needs money and most of all, what the heck was going on with the sand that turned him into Sandman!

Ultimately the film makes many of the same mistakes Batman & Robin did. I assume this is for the same reasons. Too many cooks in the kitchen, a manic need for more toys and tie-ins, a sense that bigger is better.

This is a great review! You caught most of my feelings about the film.

The movie was okay -- I liked the Sandman sequences. However, I was disappointed. This was in no way as good as Spidey #2. The problem was not with the overall plot, but in its execution. I didn't believe the romance one bit -- it was pedantic, boring, and unconvincing. The motivations of the characters seemed extremely fuzzy. I didn't believe any of the motivations of any of the characters beyond Spidey himself, except perhaps the Sandman -- and his motivations weren't explained well at all. "I'm not a bad man, I've just had bad luck". Care to elaborate?

I'm sure it will make loads of money, but it certainly isn't a BluRay must-buy. It won't be the killer app that makes me format neutral.

The fact that there is no way they killed off the biggest,best villain in Spidey canon after 10 minutes of screen time.

Where'd he go? He's Venom! He liquified and scooted out of there. I'm sure this will be shown in a subsequent film/spinoff.

I agree. People fail to realize that these are the comics and you can always write in a comeback no matter how implausible it may sound.....

This is a great review! You caught most of my feelings about the film.

The movie was okay -- I liked the Sandman sequences. However, I was disappointed. This was in no way as good as Spidey #2. The problem was not with the overall plot, but in its execution. I didn't believe the romance one bit -- it was pedantic, boring, and unconvincing. The motivations of the characters seemed extremely fuzzy. I didn't believe any of the motivations of any of the characters beyond Spidey himself, except perhaps the Sandman -- and his motivations weren't explained well at all. "I'm not a bad man, I've just had bad luck". Care to elaborate?

I'm sure it will make loads of money, but it certainly isn't a BluRay must-buy. It won't be the killer app that makes me format neutral.

I disagree.

It's a BD must buy for me.

Well its a must buy BD for me simply because why buy it on DVD if I have a PS3? But at the same time, if I didn't have a Bd player already this horrid movie wouldn't make me want one. Hopefully though POTC3 does do the trick, and early word is that it is as good as it looks.

Here's my review:
I liked the sandman transformation with the exception of the stolen-from-fantastic-four shot of him grabbing the pendant.

I liked the action and the effects.

Everything else at least mildly annoyed me.

There are WAAAY too many coincidences and plain-'ol unexplained plot contrivances.

I just hate Mary Jane. She's a whiney biotch. Why is Peter with her when all she does is complain?

And all the crying was just too much, especially since the filmmakers seem to believe that having a good cry is resolution enough.

Why is Gwen Stacy in this film? She's in 3 short scenes and that's it. The entire time I want Peter to trade up.

And the emo hair in the eyes bit was so frustrating. The shot of him actually pulling the hair down is cringe-worthy.

I actually thought the disco strut was funny, but his weird dance....whatever it was in the restaraunt was hauntingly abysmal.

Topher Grace does his best, but he can't quite pull off Venom, just confirming what we were all afraid of. Why does he have bad teeth when the symbiot retracts? That makes no sense. And his whimpy little voice coming out of that horrific visage sounds stupid.

If you're going to have Sandman in the film, take a minute to explain what his daughter has, why he needs money and most of all, what the heck was going on with the sand that turned him into Sandman!

Ultimately the film makes many of the same mistakes Batman & Robin did. I assume this is for the same reasons. Too many cooks in the kitchen, a manic need for more toys and tie-ins, a sense that bigger is better.

MJ was always upbeat in the comics unless she didn't get her way. Sounds like a fair portrayal to me.

I liked this film.

If there were a couple of things I would do, it's to shorten some of the "Bad" Peter Parker scenes and add Venom earlier.

I seen it once...will rent maybe...but not a must buy for me. I gave it a 3.5 rating.

Well its a must buy BD for me simply because why buy it on DVD if I have a PS3? But at the same time, if I didn't have a Bd player already this horrid movie wouldn't make me want one. Hopefully though POTC3 does do the trick, and early word is that it is as good as it looks.

You are starting to get your hopes up. Too much hype = dissapointment.

This was not a horrid movie to me........but it seems folks either loved it or hated it.

The fact that there is no way they killed off the biggest,best villain in Spidey canon after 10 minutes of screen time.

Where'd he go? He's Venom! He liquified and scooted out of there. I'm sure this will be shown in a subsequent film/spinoff.
So in reality, the answer to my question - What in the movie suggested that they merged and/or survived? - is "nothing." You're speculating and making assumptions based on your love and knowledge of the comics, not on what was shown and/or implied in the movie. Eddie Brock was reduced to a skeleton and Venom was clearly in the middle of the explosion when the bomb went off (and he was weakened/distracted by the sound of the poles vibrating, making some sort of last minute escape unlikely.) If they plan on bringing Venom back (sans Brock,) my bet is that it will be via the sample that Dr. Connors has. Who knows? I could be wrong.

If they really do as you suggest and have them both survive via some lame cheat, I'll be very, very disappointed.

I agree. People fail to realize that these are the comics and you can always write in a comeback no matter how implausible it may sound.....
I haven't failed to realize anything. I choose to believe that the filmmakers wouldn't pull that kind of cheap parlor trick on us. They haven't so far, so I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt. Adding in a "cheat" to Spider-Man 4 showing Venom and Brock somehow escaping the explosion would be extremely lame, imo.

So in reality, the answer to my question - What in the movie suggested that they merged and/or survived? - is "nothing." You're speculating and making assumptions based on your love and knowledge of the comics, not on what was shown and/or implied in the movie. Eddie Brock was reduced to a skeleton and Venom was clearly in the middle of the explosion when the bomb went off (and he was weakened/distracted by the sound of the poles vibrating, making some sort of last minute escape unlikely.) If they plan on bringing Venom back (sans Brock,) my bet is that it will be via the sample that Dr. Connors has. Who knows? I could be wrong.

If they really do as you suggest and have them both survive via some lame cheat, I'll be very, very disappointed.

Anyone who knows anything about Venom knows that he can not be exploded. Just like the T-1000 was impervious to explosions.

I understand what you mean, but the main reason Marvel is so controlling now is because in the past they trusted people to deliver, and they just put out crap movies that tarnished the liscense. Should Marvel excercise restraint, yes they should, but they also need to maintain some control as well.
We have no idea how much input Marvel has had. In the new Wizard movie special, Sam Raimi praises Kevin Feige (Marvel's head of production) as "in the background being quietly brilliant".

Sam Raimi wrote this script along with former collaboraters. If anyone other than him is to blame, it's Sony.

And the whole Ben Parker death revisionist history was ridiculous. In the first film, as in the comics, it's a one man show. Why have a partner if all he's doing is standing around outside? Originally the robbery seemed like a spur of the moment, or not well thought out decision. That makes sense how Ben was killed in a haphazzard way.

But now it was planned with a second guy...and NEITHER of them thought to bring a CAR?!?! That is absolutely nuts!:mad:

i agree, I hated this movie. HUGE disappointment. Venom was beyond wasted. even sandman, they didnt do anything with him they didnt even finish his story with his kid. The scene with Harry's butler coming out at the exact moment was the lamest thing I have seen in years. The only good action scene was the out of control Crane scene. I wont pick this crappy flick up on Bluray or DVD.

He examined the wound? And he could tell it was made by the glider? So the butler that never existed before dusted the Goblins stuff and measured the blades on the glider? How could he POSSIBLY say the wounds could have only been made by the glider? And even if he could, how does he know Spidey didn't purposefully murder the Goblin with the glider? It's all such BS!

I haven't failed to realize anything. I choose to believe that the filmmakers wouldn't pull that kind of cheap parlor trick on us. They haven't so far, so I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt. Adding in a "cheat" to Spider-Man 4 showing Venom and Brock somehow escaping the explosion would be extremely lame, imo.

One man's opinion......

Anyone who knows anything about Venom knows that he can not be exploded. Just like the T-1000 was impervious to explosions.
:rolleyes: Is that anything like "Anyone who knows anything about Spider-Man knows that his webs are not organic - he invented web-shooters and a special web fluid?" Or how about "Anyone who knows anything about Spider-Man knows that it wasn't Mary Jane that was held in the air by the Goblin - it was Gwen Stacy - and she died?"

My point? The movies don't always fit with the comics. Based soley on what was shown, I tend to believe Brock was killed. Based on what was shown, if it turns out he survived in the next movie, it will most likely be the result of a "cheat" - something that changes what we saw in order to crowbar the character back into the story. I really hope that doesn't happen. Again, I think they'll use the sample that the doc had if they decide to bring back Venom.

He examined the wound? And he could tell it was made by the glider? So the butler that never existed before dusted the Goblins stuff and measured the blades on the glider? How could he POSSIBLY say the wounds could have only been made by the glider? And even if he could, how does he know Spidey didn't purposefully murder the Goblin with the glider? It's all such BS!

Hah. That and the butler decided to keep it a secret for years!

He examined the wound? And he could tell it was made by the glider? So the butler that never existed before dusted the Goblins stuff and measured the blades on the glider? How could he POSSIBLY say the wounds could have only been made by the glider? And even if he could, how does he know Spidey didn't purposefully murder the Goblin with the glider? It's all such BS!

Oh for Pete's sake........over-analysis.......why can't people just enjoy the show!

One man's opinion......
Which is why I said imo...

Having Venom blast apart into liquid and survive is not a "cheap parlor trick". The fact that a piece is surviving just fine and dandy with Dr. Connors proves it's more than possible. Was it a cheap trick when the T-1000 came back together after Arnie blew it apart? Of course not. Why is this any different? Becuase they didn't show him rematerialize? In my opinion that would have been more annoying.

Is that anything like "Anyone who knows anything about Spider-Man knows that his webs are not organic - he invented web-shooters and a special web fluid?" Or how about "Anyone who knows anything about Spider-Man knows that it wasn't Mary Jane that was held in the air by the Goblin - it was Gwen Stacy - and she died?"

My point? The movies don't always fit with the comics. Based soley on what was shown, I tend to believe Brock was killed. Based on what was shown, if it turns out he survived in the next movie, it will most likely be the result of a "cheat" - something that changes what we saw in order to crowbar the character back into the story. I really hope that doesn't happen. Again, I think they'll use the sample that the doc had if they decide to bring back Venom.

In the comics Peter eventually marries MJ.......Gwen was killed by the Green Goblin.....I have issue #90 at home........Gwen was Peter's first real love even though he had a thing for Betty Brant........I believe Raimi changed this originally to keep a "consistent" Girl Friend character because it's difficult to tell the story in the short span of a movie.

I'm going to agree with you on the Eddie Brock being done part. If they do a 4 and bring back Venom, it will more than likely be the sample in the lab and another Bad-Boy character.

:rolleyes: Is that anything like "Anyone who knows anything about Spider-Man knows that his webs are not organic - he invented web-shooters and a special web fluid?" Or how about "Anyone who knows anything about Spider-Man knows that it wasn't Mary Jane that was held in the air by the Goblin - it was Gwen Stacy - and she died?"

My point? The movies don't always fit with the comics. Based soley on what was shown, I tend to believe Brock was killed. Based on what was shown, if it turns out he survived in the next movie, it will most likely be the result of a "cheat" - something that changes what we saw in order to crowbar the character back into the story. I really hope that doesn't happen. Again, I think they'll use the sample that the doc had if they decide to bring back Venom.

It's been established in the film that the Venom symbiot can survive in pieces. It is not a stretch to assume, independant of the comics, that being blown into pieces would not kill Venom.

Wether or not the symbiot fuses with the exploded Brock is just a guess on my part because it makes sense.

Having Venom blast apart into liquid and survive is not a "cheap parlor trick". [/quote[
It was shown to be vaporized. We never saw any "liquid" anywhere in the area, nor did we see any of it fly away in the blast.
[QUOTE=Fettastic]The fact that a piece is surviving just fine and dandy with Dr. Connors proves it's more than possible.
What? The sample the doc has wasn't in the explosion. What does the sample surviving have to do with the rest of Venom, which was shown to be vaporized by a pumpkin bomb?
Was it a cheap trick when the T-1000 came back together after Arnie blew it apart? Of course not. Why is this any different? Becuase they didn't show him rematerialize? In my opinion that would have been more annoying.
This is not T2 and they have nothing to do with each other. But since you insist on using a ficitional character from a completely different movie franchise as the basis of your argument, I guess I'll have to address it. With the T1000, you could see the parts still there when he was shattered. There were no remnants of Venom after the explosion. There's absolutely no reason, based on what was shown in the movie, to believe that Eddie Brock or any piece of Venom (save for the sample Connors has) survived. You can cite other movies and the comics all you want, but what was shown does not support your position.

It's been established in the film that the Venom symbiot can survive in pieces. It is not a stretch to assume, independant of the comics, that being blown into pieces would not kill Venom.
It was not shown that he was blown to pieces. It was shown that it was vaporized, along with Brock.

Again, you're making assumptions that aren't backed up by what was shown on-screen.

Guys.....this is really silly......I don't think any of us are writing the next screenplay, but either one of you could be 'right"......this is fantasy......anything can happen in the comics.

In the comics Peter eventually marries MJ.......Gwen was killed by the Green Goblin.....I have issue #90 at home........Gwen was Peter's first real love even though he had a thing for Betty Brant........I believe Raimi changed this originally to keep a "consistent" Girl Friend character because it's difficult to tell the story in the short span of a movie.
I understand all of that. I was just pointing out that several things in the movies don't gel with what happened in the comics.
I'm going to agree with you on the Eddie Brock being done part. If they do a 4 and bring back Venom, it will more than likely be the sample in the lab and another Bad-Boy character.
That's my best guess, too. We know it won't attach itself to Dr. Connors, since he'll eventually become The Lizard, so it'll probably be a student or lab janitor or something. Again, just my WAG. Who knows what'll happen? I just hope they can convice Raimi to stay on board...

Guys.....this is really silly......I don't think any of us are writing the next screenplay, but either one of you could be 'right"......this is fantasy......anything can happen in the comics.
Yeah, but you have to admit that these geek-discussions can be fun... :D

It was not shown that he was blown to pieces. It was shown that it was vaporized, along with Brock.

Again, you're making assumptions that aren't backed up by what was shown on-screen.
It was NOT shown to be vaporized so please stop saying that it was. There was an explosion afterwards we did not see Venom or Brock. But if you took a vat of jelly and set a bomb off on it, you wouldn't see the jelly either and not because it had been "vaporized", but because people would be scraping jelly off their windsheild a block away.

This really isn't worth argueing about. When I saw the explosion I instantly thought "It's going to take a hell of a lot more than that to kill Venom". You didn't. oh well.

That's my best guess, too. We know it won't attach itself to Dr. Connors, since he'll eventually become The Lizard, so it'll probably be a student or lab janitor or something. Again, just my WAG. Who knows what'll happen? I just hope they can convice Raimi to stay on board...
My opinion is that THAT would be a "cheap trick". Venom is Venom because of Eddie Brock.

It was NOT shown to be vaporized so please stop saying that it was. There was an explosion afterwards we did not see Venom or Brock. But if you took a vat of jelly and set a bomb off on it, you wouldn't see the jelly either and not because it had been "vaporized", but because people would be scraping jelly off their windsheild a block away.

This really isn't worth argueing about. When I saw the explosion I instantly thought "It's going to take a hell of a lot more than that to kill Venom". You didn't. oh well.
I seem to remember both being vaporized, but I could be mistaken - I've only seen it once. I do remember seeing Brock reduced to a skeleton, just as the board members were back in the first movie. While I suppose you could be right and the rest of Venom could have survived, there's no way (imo) that they could show Brock surviving without cheating in a big way.

Also, don't tell me what I thought. Your condescension is unwarranted and shows your maturity level.

I seem to remember both being vaporized, but I could be mistaken - I've only seen it once. I do remember seeing Brock reduced to a skeleton, just as the board members were back in the first movie. While I suppose you could be right and the rest of Venom could have survived, there's no way (imo) that they could show Brock surviving without cheating in a big way.

Also, don't tell me what I thought. Your condescension is unwarranted and shows your maturity level.

Ok, so you DID think "It's going to take a hell of a lot more than that to kill Venom"....you just decided to argue the point with me anyway? :confused:

My opinion is that THAT would be a "cheap trick". Venom is Venom because of Eddie Brock.
And Eddie Brock is dead - unless you think he somehow survived losing all of his organs, muscles, blood, and skin. He was clearly nothing more than bones even before the explosion was finished.

It wouldn't be a cheap trick in that it would follow the rules and events that were established in the previous films. What you suggested (about Brock surviving) would contradict what was shown in the third film.

And Eddie Brock is dead - unless you think he somehow survived losing all of his organs, muscles, blood, and skin. He was clearly nothing more than bones even before the exlposion was finished.

All I'm saying is that the symbiote is invincible to explosions, and it was wrapping itself around Brock before the explosion went off. Yes we saw a couple of frames of Eddie's ribcage in the explosion, but most of him was covered by the symbiote at that time, making him de facto impervious to explosions as well.

As I said in my first post on the topic, my instant impression was that Brock and Venom were fused together at that point and the symbiote could no longer be seperated from Brock, as it is in the comics (although there was no explosion in the comics). But we have seen Sam take the series in unexpected directions to come to the same waypoints later on.

All I'm saying is that the symbiote is invincible to explosions, and it was wrapping itself around Brock before the explosion went off. Yes we saw a couple of frames of Eddie's ribcage in the explosion, but most of him was covered by the symbiote at that time, making him de facto impervious to explosions as well.

As I said in my first post on the topic, my instant impression was that Brock and Venom were fused together at that point and the symbiote could no longer be seperated from Brock, as it is in the comics (although there was no explosion in the comics). But we have seen Sam take the series in unexpected directions to come to the same waypoints later on.
I'll have to see it again, I guess. I seem to remember seeing nearly his whole body as a skeleton (I think his lower legs were cut off due to framing.) I could definitely be wrong though - it happened so fast that I can't be certain that what you described didn't happen - I just don't remember it that way.

The movie was pretty much a turd fest. I was super disappointed. There were some really good parts, but the bad parts just made it that much worse.

My opinion is that THAT would be a "cheap trick". Venom is Venom because of Eddie Brock.

True, but that doesn't mean that the writers won't decide to change the script and use another individual to become Venom..........I understand that some would be dissapointed if it wan't Eddie Brock, but I can live with a new face.

True, but that doesn't mean that the writers won't decide to change the script and use another individual to become Venom..........I understand that some would be dissapointed if it wan't Eddie Brock, but I can live with a new face.
Was Carnage a different symbiote or the same, just with a new host?

About the explosion thing. I saw the skeleton as well and assume Brock is gone which I don't like. Brock should be Venom if they ever do another or a spin-off. But another thing that I thought I saw was right after Brock was vaporized, it looked like a crispy hunk of black stuff fell to the floor. This led me to think that the symbiote would still survive as Venom, and hopefully the sample Connors has becomes Carnage - That would be a killer next movie.

Another thing that bothered me was how Harry took a pumpkin bomb to the face and lived with only scarring, while everyone else apparently vaporizes?

Oh, and did anyone else see the "Doc Oct" newspaper hanging on the wall? I figured that would make everyone who loved SM2 happy.

Another thing that bothered me was how Harry took a pumpkin bomb to the face and lived with only scarring, while everyone else apparently vaporizes?

It reminded me of the first film, where Pete had one of them blow up right by his face. Of course, he just lost part of his mask - no scars for the star.

Was Carnage a different symbiote or the same, just with a new host?

From Wiki
"Carnage is the result of a spawning of a separate extraterrestrial symbiote by Venom. This symbiote bonded with serial killer Cletus Kasady, creating one of Spider-Man’s most murderous adversaries."

Looks like they very well might be setting this up. They definitely left the door wide open for the franchise to continue...

About the explosion thing. I saw the skeleton as well and assume Brock is gone which I don't like. Brock should be Venom if they ever do another or a spin-off. But another thing that I thought I saw was right after Brock was vaporized, it looked like a crispy hunk of black stuff fell to the floor. This led me to think that the symbiote would still survive as Venom, and hopefully the sample Connors has becomes Carnage - That would be a killer next movie.

Another thing that bothered me was how Harry took a pumpkin bomb to the face and lived with only scarring, while everyone else apparently vaporizes?

Oh, and did anyone else see the "Doc Oct" newspaper hanging on the wall? I figured that would make everyone who loved SM2 happy.

I actually thought Harry was dead.

From Wiki
"Carnage is the result of a spawning of a separate extraterrestrial symbiote by Venom. This symbiote bonded with serial killer Cletus Kasady, creating one of Spider-Man’s most murderous adversaries."

Looks like they very well might be setting this up. They definitely left the door wide open for the franchise to continue...

Was just about to say that......thanks!

From Wiki
"Carnage is the result of a spawning of a separate extraterrestrial symbiote by Venom. This symbiote bonded with serial killer Cletus Kasady, creating one of Spider-Man’s most murderous adversaries."

Looks like they very well might be setting this up. They definitely left the door wide open for the franchise to continue...
Thanks. From the Wiki article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnage_%28comics%29#Carnage_in_Film), I also found this:
http://www.freezedriedmovies.com/blog/index.php?/archives/64-Exclusive-Spider-Man-4-Villains-Revealed...-Already!.html[4] is reporting that a reliable source has confirmed that the villains in the next Spidey flick will be the long-rumoured Lizard and the murderous symbiote Carnage. This is the same source who confirmed Sandman and Venom for the third part, and well, he was right. Dylan Baker has appeared briefly in all three films as Dr. Curt Connors and as comic book fans know, he eventually transforms into Lizard. Baker has gone on record as stating he’d be up for playing the part. As for Carnage, he is initially serial killer Cletus Kasady, who after becoming possessed by the same symbiote which transforms Eddie Brock into Venom in the current SPIDER-MAN, becomes the vicious incarnate Carnage.
hmmmm....

Personally I would like to see Venom come back.....whether it's Eddie Brock or not and would like one more villain......Dr. Connors as The Lizard.

Dr Connors has been in all three of the films (I think, correct me if I'm wrong) and I thought for sure they would turn him into The Lizard this time.

Steeb......thanks! Carnage and the Lizard.......very cool!

Was Carnage a different symbiote or the same, just with a new host?
Carnage is formed by an offshoot of the original symbiote. If they were to use the sample in Connor's lab, I'm assuming it would turn into Carnage.

I just want to be clear in saying that I'm not demanding the films be mirror images of the comics, far from it. In fact a direct translation of the comics would likely be more corney and ridiculous than SM3 was.

The organic webshooters was a great move, although we need to give credit where credit is due. Jim cameron came up with that change in his original treatment. In fact, he had them splooge all over Peter's sheets like a wet dream.

Steeb......thanks! Carnage and the Lizard.......very cool!
How cool will it be to finally see what they do with the Lizard, after all of the teases? I'm thinking he's going to be pretty badass. At least by waiting this long, they've allowed the CGI technology to mature to the point where there's no reason for him not to look fantastic.