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svalentine
05-04-07, 01:51 PM
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Dirty Dancing (20th Anniversary Edition) (1987) (Blu-ray)
This title will be released on May 8, 2007

Following 3 Features Are Available on Blu-ray Disc Only
Multi-voice audio commentary
Pop up Trivia Track
6.1 PCM Uncompressed Audio

Audio commentary with writer/co-producer Eleanor Bergstein
Trivia Track“Dirty Dancing with Patrick Swayze” interview featurette
Tribute to Jerry Orbach
“The Classic Story on Stage” featurette
Deleted Scenes
Alternate Scenes
Extended Scenes
Outtakes/Gag reel
Original Screen Tests
Multi-Angle Dance Sequences
Interactive Photo Gallery
Jennifer Grey Interview
Eleanor Bergstein Interview
Kenny Ortega Interview
Emile Ardolino Tribute
Hungry Eyes Music Video
She’s Like The Wind Music Video
(I’ve Had) The Time of My Life Music Video
Who else is looking forward to this release?
Also notice the last line on the back cover "Special Features Presented In High Definition Resolution" :)

Jiffylush
05-04-07, 01:57 PM
This is at least a must rent for me.

I would like to blame that on the wife, but alas, I don't think she has ever watched this movie all the way through.

Edit: sorry, missed the obligatory "Nobody puts Baby in a corner"

madpoet
05-04-07, 01:59 PM
Nobody puts Blu Ray in a corner ;)

svalentine
05-04-07, 02:01 PM
Yeah, the wife here also loves this movie, so it's a must buy. I wonder if Lionsgate will pull off some magic and deliever a nice transfer, to a 20 year old movie. I'm glad they decided to release the special features in high definition and include a 6.1 PCM audio track. :)

Wendell R. Breland
05-04-07, 02:10 PM
Nobody puts Blu Ray in a corner ;)This caused a temporary pain in the side, I like it.

This has been on my Must Buy list for some time (it was supposed to be released on D-Theater but never made it).

Jet-X
05-04-07, 02:24 PM
This has been on my Must Buy list for some time (it was supposed to be released on D-Theater but never made it).

Great movie, but grainy as hell.

Scott Simonian
05-04-07, 02:42 PM
A 6.1 PCM track! Omfg, yes! Nice special features too. I'll be picking this up. :)

AlexBC
05-04-07, 03:16 PM
WOW, the folks at Lionsgate really outdone themselves this time.

The early specs indicated nothing like this (I believe it wasn't even dual layer)

PCM 6.1, can hardly wait :eek:

HPforMe
05-04-07, 03:34 PM
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Who else is looking forward to this release?
Also notice the last line on the back cover "Special Features Presented In High Definition Resolution" :)

My wife is looking for this big time. And with PCM 6.1 audio - yeah!

Jim Morrison
05-04-07, 04:50 PM
I take it the '1' on the rear means that this is region coded?

WriteSimple
05-04-07, 05:53 PM
I take it the '1' on the rear means that this is region coded? That would be correct, except that is the region code for DVD. I guess nobody told Lionsgate that BD has different region codes.


fuad

Jim Morrison
05-04-07, 06:29 PM
That would be correct, except that is the region code for DVD. I guess nobody told Lionsgate that BD has different region codes.


fuad

Indeed. I've just looked at the rear covers of Total Recall, Terminator 2 & The Descent and they all have the '1' on the rear and they aren't coded.

However, with Lionsgate's most recent releases (Reservoir Dogs/American Psycho) being 'Region A' specific, it's probably fair to assume that Dirty Dancing & Basic Instinct will be the same!

swifty7
05-04-07, 07:04 PM
25gb or 50gb?

I can't believe a movie like this gets the royal treatment while the must have titles get the shaft.... must be a double/triple dipping thing.

Kram Sacul
05-04-07, 09:12 PM
I can't imagine this movie looking any better than, say, The Terminator on BRD. It's already been broadcasted in HD and it's look is pretty typical of 1980s films (ie grainy and flat).

joerod
05-04-07, 10:40 PM
My wife is all over this one! Already ordered it from Amazon...

svalentine
05-07-07, 12:35 PM
1 more day, where are the reviews?

methos75
05-07-07, 12:37 PM
Jennifer grey's butt in 1080p, so there.

solo88
05-07-07, 03:48 PM
I admit I want it, but I don't want to pay $20. I'm cheap, always waiting for more good sales.

Steve Wright
05-09-07, 10:22 AM
Yick! I thought the PQ on this disc was downright awful. Easily, the worst looking Blu-ray disc I own. Crawlies, edge enhancment, old print, you name it. Looks like upconverted DVD to me. Shoulda got Donnie Brasco. Wives!

Jiffylush
05-09-07, 10:30 AM
Yick! I thought the PQ on this disc was downright awful. Easily, the worst looking Blu-ray disc I own. Crawlies, edge enhancment, old print, you name it. Looks like upconverted DVD to me. Shoulda got Donnie Brasco. Wives!

Still a rental for me, it could look worse than regular DVD and I would still be getting for the wife.

How is the audio?

fire407
05-09-07, 02:13 PM
Showtime just ran this movie over the weekend. I watched it on my DirecTV dvr. Everyone here knows that DirecTV downrezzes the video, and I'm pretty sure that Showtime was running an older transfer of the movie. It would be a shame if it still looked better than the Blu-ray version. Perhaps someone with Showtime and Blu-ray could compare.

Nox
05-09-07, 03:15 PM
Yick! I thought the PQ on this disc was downright awful. Easily, the worst looking Blu-ray disc I own. Crawlies, edge enhancment, old print, you name it. Looks like upconverted DVD to me. Shoulda got Donnie Brasco. Wives!

Ugh! Is it really that bad? This was the only one my wife was anxiously waiting for. Oh well, if she still wants it...

Rogervienna
05-09-07, 04:26 PM
www.blu-ray.com just added the technical details !

AVC !
5O GB disc !

If the picture has problems that is caused by the master "tape"


Dirty Dancing
Lionsgate Films | 1987 | 105 mins | Rated PG-13 | May 08, 2007


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Video codec: MPEG-4 AVC
Video resolution: 1080p
Aspect ratio: 1.85:1

Audio
English: PCM 6.1
English: Dolby Digital 5.1 EX

Subtitles
English, Spanish

Disc
BD-50 (50GB BD-ROM)

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Macroblocker
05-09-07, 04:26 PM
The print itself is INCREDIBLE for a film of 20 years old. There is not a drop-out speckle of dirt or anything. Dark scenes boast rock-solid blacks with little-to-no grain. The problem with this disc is the strange "jaggies" that haunt the image. Detail is also pretty weak. If it weren't for the strange edge-enhancement problem, the disc wouldn't look too too bad in my opinion.

Side note: Circuit City was trying to charge $34.99 for it when it's LIST price is $29.99! Fortunately, they matched BB's $24.99 price. Can a retailer legally charge MORE THAN the list price?

Steve Wright
05-09-07, 04:36 PM
The jaggies are the worst, agreed, but this might also be a pretty bad master. It looks like 16mm to me. Also, as you mentioned, detail is sorely lacking. First Blood is an older film that looked a lot better to me. This didn't do it.

Given the jaggies, lack of detail, and noisy (not grainy) look of some scenes, this is very low on my list of recomendations.

HPforMe
05-09-07, 04:42 PM
Ok so we have two different opinions on the transfer. Maybe I should stick with the sd upconverted to 1080p on my XA2 because that looked sweet. I want to get this for my wife and hopefully there won't be much debate that it is a great transfer.

As far as the jaggies are concerned, how are you watching this? Could it be a problem with your set's de-interlacing rather than the transfer?

Macroblocker
05-09-07, 04:51 PM
Maybe I was expecting too much from this one, but I just figured that a brand new remaster being released day-and-date with a SD 20th anniversay edition, I just thought it would look like....well....like.... high definition.

I'm more interested to know if the SD version also has the "jaggy" problem. The PCM track is pretty good. Not the best, but not the worst either.

I guess my big question is, if Warner can make "Grand Prix", a 40+ year old film have amazing detail and a bright punchy picture, why can't we expect the same from a film that's half the age of "Grand Prix"?

....Still looks more consistant than "Big Fish" though....

Macroblocker
05-09-07, 04:52 PM
As far as the jaggies are concerned, how are you watching this? Could it be a problem with your set's de-interlacing rather than the transfer?

I thought about that... but if that were the case, wouldn't I be experiencing it on all my titles? In all honesty, I've never seen a problem such as this on any other title I own, and that includes Blu Ray, HD DVD and SD.

HPforMe
05-09-07, 05:13 PM
I thought about that... but if that were the case, wouldn't I be experiencing it on all my titles? In all honesty, I've never seen a problem such as this on any other title I own, and that includes Blu Ray, HD DVD and SD.

Not necessarily. Best example I can think of is Mission Impossible 3 the stairs at the Vatican and the Bridge scene. On my set moire patterns were quite evident. This was using the A1 feeding 1080i and my set de-interlacing to 1080p. However, using the XA2 and the Reon doing the deinterlacing and feeding a 1080p/60 signal almost virtually gone. Just the very slighest certainly not like when my set was doing the de-interlacing to 1080p. I wonder what it would look it with the PS3? Hmmm. Maybe I'll rent it just to check those scenes out.

It depends on the patterns your set can handle when it comes to scenes like fine vertical or horizontal lines.

Kram Sacul
05-09-07, 05:15 PM
I guess my big question is, if Warner can make "Grand Prix", a 40+ year old film have amazing detail and a bright punchy picture, why can't we expect the same from a film that's half the age of "Grand Prix"?

Because Grand Prix was shot well on 65mm and looks like that. Dirty Dancing is a cheesy low budget 80s film shot on grainy 35mm film.

HPforMe
05-09-07, 05:40 PM
Can someone post the scenes and time stamps for the jaggies. I'd like to compare to the sd version on my XA2.

Macroblocker
05-09-07, 05:46 PM
Because Grand Prix was shot well on 65mm and looks like that. Dirty Dancing is a cheesy low budget 80s film shot on grainy 35mm film.

Well.... alright then. I'll accept that. :)

ShagMan
05-17-07, 10:16 PM
There's a SERIOUS mastering problem on this Blu-ray title. I have never seen worse HD, and that's including the few early WB titles like The Fugitive.

It looks like a bad de-interlacing problem, kind of like they couldn't deinterlace it properly, PLUS they did some extreme sharpening or something, losing some major detail in the process.

The jaggies were strong with this one!!

skibum5000
05-18-07, 01:54 AM
There's a SERIOUS mastering problem on this Blu-ray title. I have never seen worse HD, and that's including the few early WB titles like The Fugitive.

It looks like a bad de-interlacing problem, kind of like they couldn't deinterlace it properly, PLUS they did some extreme sharpening or something, losing some major detail in the process.

The jaggies were strong with this one!!

yeah, it's really a shame. on the one hand they go and give a disk a full 50GB of ridiculusly high bitrate AVC and 6.1 PCM (at 24bit I think). it's a shame that they go all out and give it more than most and then mess it all up with some crazy major error at some stage of the image transfer.

as you saw the best I can come up with is it looks like some weird de-interlace job with extra sharpening (of the non-halo forming type, which wouldn't even be a killer but that weird interlace mess....).

i was just skipping around the disk and you can often see that it is way more than just the jaggies as most were calling them, there are complete multi-pixel long errors along edges. i can't fathom why they would ever have needed a deinterlace step. almost like they made the new master with 1080i TV in mind and then they did a failed active de-interlace on it and then sharpened that to make the 1080p blu-ray transfer! the errors are so glaring I think this goes to the level or a recall being in order.

one spot where it was super easy to see an obvious MAJOR IMAGE PROCESSING ERROR is when she has the red and white stripe shirt on. on some frames the red sticks out many more pixels across then the white line above and then the next line above steps back in many pixels again. i mean many parts of the striping on her shirt are totally offset wrong by like 4-7 pixels! it often shows up along the edges of white shirts anyone wears over a dark background, especially if they move. just like some massively bungled adaptive de-interlace attempt.

really weird how they would give it all out with 50GB, AVC, 6.1 lossless, etc. etc. and then mess up the transfer at the most basic level and in such a way that it is really more of an actual recall worthy defect than just poor. i can see signs, that despite the source obviusly not being great that there was a fanastic go in the making, but it's just totally marred by the weird de-lace or whatever errors. maybe the film scanner was not running evenly, skipping, the film was warpnin, something, looks most like some weird delace or vertical scaling error though. but whatever it is it has to be in somethign they did, 35mm just doesn't have weird things like that showing up, it simpy can't be in the source film like that.

skibum5000
05-18-07, 02:00 AM
Not necessarily. Best example I can think of is Mission Impossible 3 the stairs at the Vatican and the Bridge scene. On my set moire patterns were quite evident. This was using the A1 feeding 1080i and my set de-interlacing to 1080p. However, using the XA2 and the Reon doing the deinterlacing and feeding a 1080p/60 signal almost virtually gone. Just the very slighest certainly not like when my set was doing the de-interlacing to 1080p. I wonder what it would look it with the PS3? Hmmm. Maybe I'll rent it just to check those scenes out.

It depends on the patterns your set can handle when it comes to scenes like fine vertical or horizontal lines.

well i have 1080p LCD fed straight from my PC and I have de-lacing hard set to none. so it is NOT anyone's equipment that is de-lacing things wrong in this case. it almost looks like they maybe did the master in 1080i with TV in mind (Showtime) and then tried to delace that themselves to make the 1080p blu-ray!

obvious mistakes where some lines are offset as many as 7 pixels wrong (but not all the way across the screen just in parts, parts that look like they would be a little trickier to delace).

recall in order.

weird since they went all out. would like to praise them for that. HD for extras, 50GB AVC, super craay high peak bitrates at times, etc. and then they apparently use a 1080i source or something weird and don't use it properly or something. i do see lots of promising signs in the image considering teh source quality but they are all messed over by one major and one more minor error in processing.

Supermans
05-18-07, 04:01 AM
Let's all find out the best way to go about asking for recall. Universal did a recall for two back to the future discs with a much smaller problem than this.

Automan
05-19-07, 04:44 PM
The title will not play on my UK PS3 just giving me a blank screen with no warning message or anything.

All I can do is eject it :(

Should it display some sort of wrong region warning or the like?

This is my first disc that does not work :(

Automan.

P. Anthony
05-20-07, 10:18 AM
The title will not play on my UK PS3 just giving me a blank screen with no warning message or anything.

All I can do is eject it :(

Should it display some sort of wrong region warning or the like?

This is my first disc that does not work :(

Automan.

Automan, this is one of the first problematic discs I've had on Blu-ray. It takes forever to load (like the "Speed" disc), and when I pause the disc, it goes back to beginning of the film. I also have problems accessing the main menu, also had problems playing the extras at times. Even the main menu will take a long time to load. :mad:

HPforMe
05-20-07, 01:14 PM
Ok, finally found a copy at BB. Sorry to disagree with a lot of posts here but, despite some of the stair-stepping/aliasing this movie looked very good and some scenes quite beautiful. I had the 'widescreen' non-anamorphic sd version and it blows the pants off of it.The pcm audio is great as well. IF you can overlook some of the aliasing it's a big step up from the sd version. Now, could it be better i.e., minus the aliasing/stair-stepping? Yes, but assuming you won't see this released for a while again I have no hesitation in recommending it.

P. Anthony
05-20-07, 04:16 PM
Ok, finally found a copy at BB. Sorry to disagree with a lot of posts here but, despite some of the stair-stepping/aliasing this movie looked very good and some scenes quite beautiful. I had the 'widescreen' non-anamorphic sd version and it blows the pants off of it.The pcm audio is great as well. IF you can overlook some of the aliasing it's a big step up from the sd version. Now, could it be better i.e., minus the aliasing/stair-stepping? Yes, but assuming you won't see this released for a while again I have no hesitation in recommending it.

One thing that I did notice was that the colors pop-out, and the blacks are much deeper. The DVD had faded washed-out colors.

The Blu-ray is a major step-up from the DVD version, IMHO.

skibum5000
05-20-07, 04:33 PM
One thing that I did notice was that the colors pop-out, and the blacks are much deeper. The DVD had faded washed-out colors.

The Blu-ray is a major step-up from the DVD version, IMHO.

true, but the offset lines happen so much it is really annoying. the image is always dancing all over and shifting and the outline of people keep getting jaggy and uneven. really distracting. i don'tknow. i can handle noise and even halos (not that this disc has any halos) if i have to but seeing parts of people's shirts swap scanlines and arms and edges of bodies dance between smooth, jaggy, warped, kinda distracting for me.

selahsean
05-21-07, 08:13 PM
This movie will not load on my Samsung BDP-1000. I wonder if anyone else is having trouble with it?

solo88
05-21-07, 08:17 PM
Ashame, this disc is a dud. I'll stick with my Ultimate Edition DVD. My iScan deinterlaces just fine. Maybe there will be enough backlash that they'll remaster it. I'd suggest writing the company if you bought it...or if you want to buy it but aren't because of this.

Rogervienna
05-21-07, 09:14 PM
This movie will not load on my Samsung BDP-1000. I wonder if anyone else is having trouble with it?


I have the same problem.

What will you do ?

Automan
05-22-07, 05:55 PM
Can your machine play Region A discs?

My UK PS3 will not play it and just sticks on what seems to be a zero length title with a blank screen.

No wrong region message or anything.

If I press display it indicates

Title 1 Chapter 1 T 00:00:01 MPEG-2 - kbps

Automan.

I have the same problem.

What will you do ?

Rogervienna
05-22-07, 06:32 PM
I have an US-Samsung BD-1000 Player.

Till DD my player played all US and Europ. BDs fine.

Aaron Davis
05-22-07, 06:41 PM
I got a copy of Dirty Dancing from Amazon, wouldn't play some times, also would lockup about halfway, I got a replacement from Amazon and the new one plays great. This was in a PS3.

Frank Stein
05-22-07, 09:44 PM
Ashame, this disc is a dud. I'll stick with my Ultimate Edition DVD. My iScan deinterlaces just fine. Maybe there will be enough backlash that they'll remaster it. I'd suggest writing the company if you bought it...or if you want to buy it but aren't because of this.

I watched a bit of this BD movie. I think it looks pretty good. Certainly better than my SD DVD. And certainly better than how it looked when Unity Motion played it over and over again in HD some years back.