From:

http://www.developmag.com/news/26915/Open-Home-as-Sony-talks-to-devs

Next up will be download packs for MotorStorm, which will be available in premium (adding ‘significant gameplay' to the title), and lite flavours.

Probably meaning the free update and then cost for additional game play functionality (Split screen,tracks).

From:

http://www.developmag.com/news/26915/Open-Home-as-Sony-talks-to-devs



Probably meaning the free update and then cost for additional game play functionality (Split screen,tracks).

I would pay for split screen, as ridiculous to me as that is, if that means they will actually implement it.

Welcome to the nickel and dime era of videogames, where you spend $60 for an incomplete game.

To hear that a gameplay feature like splitscreen could be premium is very disheartening. It's almost as bad as Bethesda charging us for Horse Armor in Oblivion when it first came out for the PC/360.

Any chance we will get some new single player tracks, and not just multi-player crap, I hate that just about all DLC is crap for multi-player and nothing that rounds out the single player modes.

Welcome to the nickel and dime era of videogames, where you spend $60 for an incomplete game.

This whole thing really bothers me. It started back on the PC once the internet took off, where developers would release beta code as the final product and use the first buyers as free beta testers. The net made releasing patches cheap and easy, so they all jumped on board. Now it's at the next level, charging us for content we should have had the first time around. It's only going to get worse from here...

Any chance we will get some new single player tracks, and not just multi-player crap, I hate that just about all DLC is crap for multi-player and nothing that rounds out the single player modes.

The single player mode was a joke. I really wanted this to be the must have title that the console sorely needed, but that's just not the case. Sure, multiplayer is fun, but a good single player campaign is essential. Unfortunately, that doesn't seem to be the trend these days. Look at Halo 2 and Gears - two of the most popular games in recent memory, and the single player was just okay. Now we have Warhawk coming, where they've dropped single player all together. Maybe they'll release it as a microtransactions later. :(

I feel that our family got what we paid for with MotorStorm. If we could get split screen or additional races for a reasonable fee I see that as a good thing. They could have just stuck that stuff in a new version, called it MotorStorm 2, and expect you pay $60 again. Without knowing what the prices will be, I see this as a positive thing for the time being.

I feel that our family got what we paid for with MotorStorm. If we could get split screen or additional races for a reasonable fee I see that as a good thing. They could have just stuck that stuff in a new version, called it MotorStorm 2, and expect you pay $60 again. Without knowing what the prices will be, I see this as a positive thing for the time being.


Not to single you out or anything. I just feel that I shouldnt have to pay for split screen in a racing games. I mean name another top tier racing game that doesnt offer OFFLINE racing (split screen) My wife is really disappointed that Motorstorm doesnt have Split screen, and to be honest so am I why should I have to spend more money to get something that all the other top racers include right out the box.. just IMHO. You are right that they could have added split screen and called it Motorstorm 2..But they burned that bridge with me. I certainly wont by another thing from them without makin sure it a complete product out of the box..again IMHO

Not sure why I wasted my money on 4 controllers when more and more games only support online multiplayer.

Having to pay for something that should of been included in the original release is a bunch of hogwash in my opinion. Just we what we need, more incentive for game manufacturers to release unfinished products knowing they can stick it to us down the road.

I have no problem paying for additional maps, weapons etc but having to pay for split screen multiplayer modes etc. is going a bit too far in my opinion.

I've gotten my moneys worth from Motorstorm and definitely would pay for more tracks if offered (depending on price of course).

I do hope they offer some sort of exhibition matches for offline as well. Basically let you choose any car, any course and whatever opponents you want and the difficulty, etc.

I feel that our family got what we paid for with MotorStorm. If we could get split screen or additional races for a reasonable fee I see that as a good thing. They could have just stuck that stuff in a new version, called it MotorStorm 2, and expect you pay $60 again. Without knowing what the prices will be, I see this as a positive thing for the time being.


But the issue here is that more and more will also just take it in the rear like you did, and be happy with it, and devs will feel embolded by this and start to take even more features from games in the hopes of raping us later by charging us for them. A next-gen game that doesn't offer the features that a last-gen offering in that genre offered or the diverse number of tracks that one offered is an mockery, and charging us for those features is a crime. Its one thing to give us new tracks and features to buy when you already gave us a full-fledged release, but this practice of shooting out half-assed releases and then trying to rape us of cash to purchase DLC that should of been on the retail copy is a no-go.

The way I see it, you can either bend over now and take it and help destroy this hobby, or you can set your foot down now and force Devs to actually work on giving us true retail releases that have all the features we expect from the get-go, and creating extra content that is actually worth our cash.

I feel that our family got what we paid for with MotorStorm. If we could get split screen or additional races for a reasonable fee I see that as a good thing. They could have just stuck that stuff in a new version, called it MotorStorm 2, and expect you pay $60 again. Without knowing what the prices will be, I see this as a positive thing for the time being.

I think maps will cost, but game enhancements will be free. We shall see.

Yeah, I expect to see split-screen to be free.
We'll see, hope it happens soon.

Yeah, I expect to see split-screen to be free.
We'll see, hope it happens soon.

Did they comfirm split-screen? This would go against what the dev's had previously said if true. I'm all for it even though I'd rarely use it but I just don't expect to see it come on this version of the game, maybe a sequel or a spin-off.

Did they comfirm split-screen? This would go against what the dev's had previously said if true. I'm all for it even though I'd rarely use it but I just don't expect to see it come on this version of the game, maybe a sequel or a spin-off.

Split-screen is speculation.

Split-screen is speculation.

ok, thx

I feel that our family got what we paid for with MotorStorm. If we could get split screen or additional races for a reasonable fee I see that as a good thing. They could have just stuck that stuff in a new version, called it MotorStorm 2, and expect you pay $60 again. Without knowing what the prices will be, I see this as a positive thing for the time being.

alittle off topic but if want to have family splitscreen fun you should download the PSone game Rally Cross... it has 4 player splitscreen and the tracks are fun.... there are no motorbikes but it does have the same kind of rally cars and trucks like motorstorm.....and is just allaround fun...for $6.00

as far as game modes.... there is one that Motorstorm could add via update if they wanted to for some of their tracks that can be raced in reverse....

this mode was called suicide, it has you going in one direction and all the other cars (3 in this case) race in the opposite direction.....

some of the regular straight race modes had tracks that intercrossed each other and if the timing is right you could crash or be crashed into by another car that is ahead or far behind of you.......

although the graphics are alittle dated lol.....the game runs fast (oneplayer atleast, can't remember 4player, we were just having fun back then) and has tricky physic you have to balance youself like in Motorstorm or you'll flip over......
even though it is old, it is a fun 4player game.....

I probably won't be paying for anything but prefer the option to pay for an update I might like (split screen for example), than just not having that option. I don't really think split screen is ever going to come up, though I certainly find online fun. :)

From:

http://www.developmag.com/news/26915/Open-Home-as-Sony-talks-to-devs



Probably meaning the free update and then cost for additional game play functionality (Split screen,tracks).

If it actually does give you split screen then I'd pay for it, ignoring the fact that should have been in the game to start with.................I'd also like to see more terrain variety (races in rain forest, frozen/snowy areas........ect)

Originally posted by methos75
But the issue here is that more and more will also just take it in the rear like you did, and be happy with it, and devs will feel embolded by this and start to take even more features from games in the hopes of raping us later by charging us for them.
I was and still am enjoying Motorstorm and in no way do I feel like I took it in the rear, nor do I feel that I am being raped by having to pay for downloadable content...;)

I doubt split screen will be available, early on the developers announced that they were not keen on split screen. Probably just new tracks and vehicles.

I was and still am enjoying Motorstorm and in no way do I feel like I took it in the rear, nor do I feel that I am being raped by having to pay for downloadable content...;)

I doubt split screen will be available, early on the developers announced that they were not keen on split screen. Probably just new tracks and vehicles.

Same here, despite its shortcomings (all games have them) it is one of my favorite games on any console this gen.

Definitely look forward to a sequel with new environments like jungles, snow, woods, etc.. They don't have to be realistic environments either, but I guess another type of game could take the engine and do that as well.

The reality is that you will be seeing a lot of add ons for money in the future. In fact, microsoft has basically announced that xbox live is the way they intend to make money in the future. I do think there is a bit of an over reaction to this. If a competitor releases a game that comes w/ more options you can always choose it instead. Also, no one is forcing you to buy the add on.

I do understand the reaction though. I think this would be a smaller deal if there were more games out for the PS3 right now. Then we would have more options. Heres hoping for fall.

WOW I can't until split screen is released then we'll get bitch and moan threads about how the graphics are downgraded for split-screen.

WOW I can't until split screen is released then we'll get bitch and moan threads about how the graphics are downgraded for split-screen.

Which may be one reason that Motorstorm does not offer split screen. I did read an interview with Evolution in which technical challenges were cited as an obstacle for split screen. I do agree that it would be fun but online is pretty good and should get better with the upcoming mid-month patch that has been announced.

I'd like a Destruction Derby style level with it's own type of mode and track. Die the least, and you win.

Great Game, Great Graphics!
Is it perfect no(but close) but is any game?

Some people will complain about anything,

I'd like a Destruction Derby style level with it's own type of mode and track. Die the least, and you win.

That would be fun but you couldn't just avoid the other racers.

I played in a room this weekend called "Kill the buggy, No Racing!!!"
I raced for the first 2 races and on the third everyone ganged up on me. It was so much fun.
Too many people worried about win percentages (Me included at times) instead of having fun. :D

If a competitor releases a game that comes w/ more options you can always choose it instead. Also, no one is forcing you to buy the add on.

True. But despite the fun factor of Motorstorm, I don't think anyone would disagree that the single player mode felt a bit "incomplete". Now, had this been a $40 game, and they released add-ons, I wouldn't be so PO'd. But this was released and marketed as a full price, AAA game, so I don't expect to have to pay extra for the gaming experience I should have gotten in the first place.

If developers want to release games a la carte, fine - just price them accordingly.

Originally posted by S-dogg
But despite the fun factor of Motorstorm, I don't think anyone would disagree that the single player mode felt a bit "incomplete".
I respectfully disagree, I thought single player was worth the $60, and felt "complete". In my gaming past, there has been too many duds, that I payed full price for, for me to complain about Motorstorm.

I must be the only person here at AVS that dislikes motorstorm. I dont like the game at all. The ONLY reason I still have it is because when I went to trade it back into gamespot the SAME DAY I bought it, they said they'd only give me $26 bucks for it and I was too lazy to sell it on ebay.

I'd also pay for splitscreen. I'd also bet that ain't one of the updates.

True. But despite the fun factor of Motorstorm, I don't think anyone would disagree that the single player mode felt a bit "incomplete". It feels complete to me. I knew what I was getting when I bought it. I knew it didn't have split screen. We're having lots of fun with it too.

I've thought about the split screen and I'm not so sure how well it would work with this game. The game makes great use of the full width of the screen - often there are 3 choices of path to follow and I wonder if narrowing the scope of the screen by splitting it would lose the sense of vastness that the game offers. Of course, I can see that it would be fun to race against my son on a split screen, but I wonder if essentially cutting the screen in half would lose a lot of the impact of the graphics?

The only thing I didnt like was the inability to adjust the number of laps... I'm a little hardcore and like long, long races. 3 laps is too short for me.

Single player felt complete, multiplayer is good. Sure, more modes and everything would be great, but this isnt Motorstorm IV... it's the first game in the series and everything is from the ground up. Graphics had to take priority over game for this one too, imo, as with all launch and near-launch games. Sony wanted a showcase.

The opening festival vids prove there are really big ideas that can come in future games... Sure I wish they were all in this one, who wouldnt, but the reality is that the game had to come out. Getting new packs, even if we have to pay for them, is cool, and sets the bar even higher for Motorstorm II.

Just my POV.

If you are unhappy w/ paying 60 for a game you consider incomplete. You can always wait a year and buy it for half the priced used. Then, you'll be able to get the game plus any updates for probably about 50. Thats another way of looking at it. I would be angered if some of these updates were held back initially, but I suspect they were trying to get this thing out the door as quickly as possible.

Although I was disappointed with the lack of certain content I read the review and I knew about it before I bought it.
I love the game, I don't know if I've ever sworn more at my tv screen trying to beat races with the psychotic enemy a.i. always on me.

At the minimum there should have been time trial (which is coming anyway), and a quick race option with customization.
I understand why there's no split screen, and even though it makes me a little mad the game does look beautiful.

I'm sure when the next motorstorm comes out (there will be sequel) all of these problems will be addressed and hopefully the code has been optimized so split screen can be there and look as good as single player (I'm not a programmer though so I don't know what's involved).

I hope that as more games are released, the standard features from previous games will have to be met. Otherwise we consumers will just get whatever else is more worth our money.

I'd like a Destruction Derby style level with it's own type of mode and track. Die the least, and you win.

That would be an awesome addition to the game ! That and time trial.

I must be the only person here at AVS that dislikes motorstorm. I dont like the game at all. The ONLY reason I still have it is because when I went to trade it back into gamespot the SAME DAY I bought it, they said they'd only give me $26 bucks for it and I was too lazy to sell it on ebay.

Nope...I hate it as well

Nope...I hate it as well

Just curious, what do you dislike about it and did you try the demo first?

MotorStorm is 7/9ths of a game. Any less functionality and it would have been a £40 demo. I'm more than happy to pay to expand on a game but with MotorStorm your being asked to pay for functionality that should have come on the disk!!!

I love the game (its the disk thats spent the most time spinning) but for anyone to claim that its a complete game is smoking some poor-quality ****.

mulitplayer
timetrial
replays

These are the basic staples of the driving genre that go back at least two generations and the bare minimum I expect for a next-gen exclusive showcase title.

MotorStorm is 7/9ths of a game. Any less functionality and it would have been a £40 demo. I'm more than happy to pay to expand on a game but with MotorStorm your being asked to pay for functionality that should have come on the disk!!!

I love the game (its the disk thats spent the most time spinning) but for anyone to claim that its a complete game is smoking some poor-quality ****.

mulitplayer
timetrial
replays

These are the basic staples of the driving genre that go back at least two generations and the bare minimum I expect for a next-gen exclusive showcase title.


I understand what you are saying, but anyone bitching about what isn't there who paid for the game KNEW what they were getting for their money. So, they must have been okay enough with what was offered to pony up the money.

If there were no updates with new functionality, everyone complaining still would have paid $60 for the same game they have now. If you don't want to add the premium update (which still hasn't had a price attached, nor features listed), you still have the same game you willingly got for $60.

It's not like the box said it had time trials, replays, or offline multiplayer and it lied.

I understand what you are saying, but anyone bitching about what isn't there who paid for the game KNEW what they were getting for their money. So, they must have been okay enough with what was offered to pony up the money.

If there were no updates with new functionality, everyone complaining still would have paid $60 for the same game they have now. If you don't want to add the premium update (which still hasn't had a price attached, nor features listed), you still have the same game you willingly got for $60.

It's not like the box said it had time trials, replays, or offline multiplayer and it lied.
Not to mention doing research before buying the game.

I understand what you are saying, but anyone bitching about what isn't there who paid for the game KNEW what they were getting for their money. So, they must have been okay enough with what was offered to pony up the money.

If there were no updates with new functionality, everyone complaining still would have paid $60 for the same game they have now. If you don't want to add the premium update (which still hasn't had a price attached, nor features listed), you still have the same game you willingly got for $60.

It's not like the box said it had time trials, replays, or offline multiplayer and it lied.

All true. I'm hoping that the free one will have new play modes and that the pay one will have car mods, stickers, custom paint, or even a lab to adjust tires, suspension, torque, etc (I'm probably asking a little much for the lab).

I understand what you are saying, but anyone bitching about what isn't there who paid for the game KNEW what they were getting for their money. So, they must have been okay enough with what was offered to pony up the money.

If there were no updates with new functionality, everyone complaining still would have paid $60 for the same game they have now. If you don't want to add the premium update (which still hasn't had a price attached, nor features listed), you still have the same game you willingly got for $60.

It's not like the box said it had time trials, replays, or offline multiplayer and it lied.

You're right, and I don't think the majority of people here think this was a bad game. For what it is, it does things well, and it definitely provides a certain fun factor. So for most (myself included), that justified the price.

That being said, there are other racing games out there that deliver more features for the same price. Yes, I knew that when I bought the game, but I'm a gamer - I want fun games. That doesn't mean I can't be unhappy about the fact that there's not as much value here as I've come to expect from a video game.

I think the real problem is the pricing model used in the industry today - it's just too flat. Games are very diverse, and the prices should reflect that. I think that change would make people feel a little better about microtransactions. Of course, it will never happen, since the market has proven that people will pay full price for the games anyway, but it's still a nice thought...

Anybody have any information as to when this update might be coming? I gave up on the Resistance update with new levels or maps, not sure exactly what is was. That never came out unless it coming out before Resistance 2. I have to be more patient with these updates. Bring on more Motorstorm!!!

MotorStorm v1.2 Coming june 7th
Sony unveils new mode and plenty of improvements.

May 11, 2007 - The slick-looking off-road racer, MotorStorm, is quickly becoming the poster child for PlayStation 3 updates. For its next official patch, slated to release on June 7, the game will add a brand new Time Attack mode that allows users to race against their own ghost in an effort to best their most efficient times.

As an added bonus, the fastest ghosts will automatically be uploaded to the global leaderboards so that others can compete against them. Additionally, phantom opponents aren't limited to just one -- in total players can race against seven different specters in a single race; these ghosts include ones made by the user, the previously-mentioned "best time" ghosts, or special developer-made "Evolution Ghosts" made up of a range of different skill levels.

But a brand new mode isn't the only extra that Sony has added for the new update. A host of other improvements have been included as well. Listed below are all the fixes that players can expect to see when the patch hits the servers:

Now your best times make for additional gameplay.
Game List Improvement
"Game Status" is now displayed with the game list in the online lobby making it easier to find a session where you'll be able to join and race promptly.

Host Identification
Within the game lobby the host is now clearly identified by a 'host' icon visible to all players and updated during host migration.

Boost Exploit Fix
A bug involving the boost system that allowed a player to use boost in an exploitative manner has been resolved.

Buddy List Size
This has been updated to support up to 50 friends.

Text Cut-off fix for SD
When playing in standard definition, all messages will now display as intended.

Improved Stability Online
Online gameplay stability has been improved.

Audio Fix
All known issues with 5.1 / 7.1 surround have been fixed. Audio issues within the front-end have been resolved.

Player Ranking Reset
Players were found to be ranked incorrectly due to a bug. Because of this all online rankings will be reset and the ranking system should now function correctly (Evolution and Sony apologies for this measure but it will result in a fairer and more stable system).

Auto-Start
Races will be forced to start after a fixed countdown which should dramatically reduce the waiting times in lobbies. Hosts may delay this countdown up to three times.

Save Data Corruption
When quitting the game using the PS button it was possible to corrupt the save game data. This will no longer occur.

Lobby Information
Upcoming track and current lap details will be displayed in lobbies.

Vehicle Damage Reset
When restarting a single-player race during a death camera the damage wasn't always reset at the start of the next race. This has now been resolved.

Missing Audio
Audio effects were missing from the death camera, these have now been reinstated.

Name Tag Toggle
Added ability to switch the player name tags on / off during online races using a single button press (L1).

To install the update, players simply need load the MotorStorm Blu-ray disc, select "online" and install the prompted update
http://ps3.ign.com/articles/787/787917p1.html

Nice update!!

For us, perhaps the most significant item of news on show concerned MotorStorm. Sony senior producer Pete Smith tore himself away from his LittleBigPlanet duties to unveil a raft of downloadable content for the barnstorming off-road racing game, due to arrive over the PlayStation network in the next month or so.

Smith said: “We want to make sure that we build a thriving online community, so we will continually put out new content – some premium and some free.” The first manifestation of this downloadable content (DLC) will be an update to version 1.2, which is essentially aimed at improving the online experience, with detailed updates of the interface and general tweaks to make it easier to set up games and friendlier when you play them. This free update is already sitting on the PlayStation Network, waiting for you to download

But that’s just the tip of the iceberg. Admitting that: “We have had a bit of criticism because MotorStorm was light on its modes,” Smith announced a new mode which will be available for download: Time Attack. He said: “It’s more than a simple time-trial. It will have global leader-boards and about 250 cars will be stored which you can download and race against – you can download up to eight ghost cars for a single race.” So now, you’ll be able to measure yourself up against the very best MotorStormers. Time Attack will be downloadable for free from 25 May.

In June, the first Premium (that is, paid-for) DLC for MotorStorm will arrive, entitled Pack One. This will contain – hurrah – a new track called Coyote Revenge – which, Smith said, is based on a reversed Coyote Rage, but tweaked so extensively as to be unrecognisable. The pack will also contain three new tickets, collectively entitled Coyote Weekend, a new Big Rig and Rally Car (plus an unlockable car) and a new online mode called eliminator, in which you’ll have 20 seconds to catch and pass the person in front
http://threespeech.com/blog/?p=414

Interesting. That eliminator online mode sounds like fun!

Smith said: “We want to make sure that we build a thriving online community, so we will continually put out new content – some premium and some free.” The first manifestation of this downloadable content (DLC) will be an update to version 1.2, which is essentially aimed at improving the online experience, with detailed updates of the interface and general tweaks to make it easier to set up games and friendlier when you play them. This free update is already sitting on the PlayStation Network, waiting for you to download
LOL nevermind. It was the 1.1 update, sorry. I didn't realize it's been so long since I played.

Thanks. Downloading 1.2 now. Seems to be going very quick.

Thanks. Downloading 1.2 now. Seems to be going very quick.
Does this mean 1.2 is out now..i did not see it.

edit: Oh ok..what the heck..smith!!

It feels complete to me. I knew what I was getting when I bought it. I knew it didn't have split screen. We're having lots of fun with it too.

I've thought about the split screen and I'm not so sure how well it would work with this game. The game makes great use of the full width of the screen - often there are 3 choices of path to follow and I wonder if narrowing the scope of the screen by splitting it would lose the sense of vastness that the game offers. Of course, I can see that it would be fun to race against my son on a split screen, but I wonder if essentially cutting the screen in half would lose a lot of the impact of the graphics?

If you have a choice (Like in F-Zero) where you can split the screen horizontally or vertically, then you can still get the widescreen feel playing with 2 players on the same screen.

Same here, despite its shortcomings (all games have them) it is one of my favorite games on any console this gen.

Definitely look forward to a sequel with new environments like jungles, snow, woods, etc.. They don't have to be realistic environments either, but I guess another type of game could take the engine and do that as well.
that game sega rally of whatever its called will have multiple environments :)

This is daft. I paid the equivilent of 59 pounds sterling for motorstorm and I for one refuse to pay more for more tracks. They should been in the game itself or at least made available for free download.

Its ridiculous to have to pay more to enjoy our games when they are so expensive as it is.

Is 1.2 the new update, or the one we got about 1 month ago?

This is daft. I paid the equivilent of 59 pounds sterling for motorstorm and I for one refuse to pay more for more tracks. They should been in the game itself or at least made available for free download.

Its ridiculous to have to pay more to enjoy our games when they are so expensive as it is.
Then don't purchase the new track. That option is free :D

Is 1.2 the new update, or the one we got about 1 month ago?

The new update won't be out until June

I can only imagen what Grand Turismo might be like with microtransactions :(

The new update won't be out until June

Thanks, I knew there was one coming in June, but somehow I got mixed up :o

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/789/789744p1.html