View Full Version : RS1 vs. HD10K?


mvita
05-09-07, 06:58 AM
Question for the projector gurus out there... I notice that despite the advent of the RS1, the HD10K apparently remains part of JVC's product line (at a significantly higher price point). The question is, why? Is there any respect in which the HD10K could be considered superior to the RS1? I notice that the HD10K has two lens options ("long throw" and "short throw"), but that's about the only advantage I can fathom from looking at the respective spec sheets. Is there anything else I'm missing about the HD10K vs. the RS1? Superior lens/optics? More advanced electronics? More flexible adjustments? Easier calibration? Is there any application (even non-HT) anyone can think of where one might prefer the HD10K over the RS1?

It strikes me as odd that JVC would keep the HD10K in production (at $15K MSRP) when they are shipping the newer RS1 (at $6.5K MSRP) which presumably trumps the HD10K in all respects. Unless there is more to the story...

sfogg
05-09-07, 10:25 AM
"It strikes me as odd that JVC would keep the HD10K in production"

Is it still in production? It might just be a 'current' model as JVC has excess stock.

Shawn

Mr.D
05-09-07, 10:28 AM
I use quite a few HD10ks at work . We don't really calibrate them to a level we'd classify as reference as we use them mainly for pre-visualisation and rely on a calibrated monitor in the room for colour reference.

However I've never liked them all that much. The misconvergence is usually quite noticable , the picture is somewhat noisy and the black level is nowhere near the level on the HD1/RS1.

I wouldn't swap my HD1 for an HD10k.

sfogg
05-09-07, 10:44 AM
"The misconvergence is usually quite noticable , the picture is somewhat noisy and the black level is nowhere near the level on the HD1/RS1."

Ever try using the PSA software to adjust convergence on the HD10K?

Shawn

Mr.D
05-09-07, 10:46 AM
"The misconvergence is usually quite noticable , the picture is somewhat noisy and the black level is nowhere near the level on the HD1/RS1."

Ever try using the PSA software to adjust convergence on the HD10K?

Shawn


Yup still not as good as my HD1 ... acceptable but not great.

mvita
05-10-07, 08:05 AM
Well, for what it's worth, the HD10K is still listed as a current model in JVC's projector lineup:

JVC Projectors (http://pro.jvc.com/prof/attributes/category.jsp?productId=PRO2.2)

Can anyone provide a definitive answer? Tom Stites, perhaps? (Tom?)

marcus wood
05-10-07, 05:01 PM
There's also the Meridian MF1 (http://www.meridian-audio.com/p_mf1.htm) which looks like it's based on the 10k and is even more expensive - how does that compare?

Daniel Hutnicki
05-11-07, 11:04 AM
last November at the Long Beach show, JVC was showing both projectors and they actually brought the HD10K to the Digital Connection party held by Kei. Although the specs on the RS1 look as the RS1 is superior in reality JVC considers the HD10K to be the superior projector. The one clear advantage the RS1 has is in contrast. I saw both projectors side by side and at the time I agreed with the JVC guys that that the HD10K had a better picture. Its also a lot more money than the RS1

Mr.D
05-11-07, 11:32 AM
Well having used several HD10ks in a professional environment fed 10bit log 2k uncompressed film imagery for a couple of years I still say my HD1 betters any of those HD10ks with the exception of maybe colour accuracy. If I used correctional luts at source to the same level of precision on the HD1 as I do on the HD10ks I reckon the HD1 would be at the very least compete on colour.

As I've said we don't regard the HD10k as being accurate enough for colour appraisal anyway so if the HD1 is ultimately slightly less accurate again....

It already kills the HD10k on contrast , convergence and low intensity detail. Even the pixel structure looks better.