I recently upgraded my subwoofer from an ASW 600 series to the JLAudio F113. Not a fair comparison, I know.
What is interesting is that the F113 is not much larger than the ASW, but the sound! Easy setup, and than I put in Master and Commander's broadside across the deck scene. The wave of sound that rolled across me was unbelievable! My wife and kids ran downstairs to tell me a plane just buzzed the house. :D

This is one awsome sub!!

Chris.

just think how the people with two feel :D

Unless one's room is huge, or you have really unusual room acoustics, having two f113 is crazy. :D

But if it works, and you love it, enjoy the insanity!

I'm guessing that you will have a hard time blending in such a powerful sub. You better send it to me, to save yourself a lot of frustration. :p

He he he the Fathom subs are a thing of beauty and the performance more than meets the looks. :D

Weren't these type of threads illegal?

Oh wait...it's not about XYZ. ;)

Richard Shhhh.... Do you want to wake up dead? :rolleyes:

Two subs! Actually I have the F113's master volume knob turned down over 90 degrees just to keep it from overpowering everything else! Still sounds clean and tight however.

Chris.

Two subs! Actually I have the F113's master volume knob turned down over 90 degrees just to keep it from overpowering everything else! Still sounds clean and tight however.

Chris.

Pay a measly $40 for a radio shack SPL meter and calibrate your subs to your mains. Best investment you can make.

Also, those JL subs are built like tanks and the finish is superb!

Weren't these type of threads illegal?

Oh wait...it's not about XYZ. ;)

LOL....EXACTLY!

I know, that is what I used to calibrate it to the speakers.

Chris.

Weren't these type of threads illegal?

Oh wait...it's not about XYZ. ;)

Do you mean like this thread ? Just got my PB12-NSD/2 (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=836600)

Richard, Brad ... lighten up. :rolleyes:

Do you mean like this thread ? Just got my PB12-NSD/2 (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=836600)

Richard, Brad ... lighten up. :rolleyes:

while i agree that these guys should lighten up with the anti-SVS conspiracies, threads like these really are pointless.

Do you mean like this thread ? Just got my PB12-NSD/2 (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=836600)

Richard, Brad ... lighten up. :rolleyes:



Craig....my point is that it should be ALL or NONE...

Not selective....

You know I have absolutely no problem with someone shouting "Wow" about their selections...it's fun...done it myself without getting slapped. I'd love to hear a Fathom or Gotham, let it ride.

Craig....my point is that it should be ALL or NONE...

Not selective....

Brad, My point is there is an SVS thread with the same type of content as this one, and none of you whined about it. Heck, the guy is hugging his new subwoofer in the opening post. It has a post on it from a whopping 3 days ago, and I don't see you or Richard slamming it for being here.

In other words, your "it should be all or none" is just plain not dealing with reality. In fact, you posted in that thread in a positive manner. FOUR times. ;)

The other point, and I am tired of making it, so TRY to pay attention:

The mods here do not read every thread. They look into reported threads.

I also love threads like this and the SVS one. I see nothing wrong with s guy loving his new sub, speaker, amp ... etc ...

Craig....my point is that it should be ALL or NONE...

Not selective....

Its time to give the anti-SVS conspiracy theories a rest. I count FOUR SVS threads in the 1st page of the Subwoofer forum. If it was all or none, then those threads should be deleted as well.

Why does there have to be a problem with some pent-up enthusiasm about a certain highly anticipated upcoming product which happens to be from that certain brand?

Meanwhile, there is plenty of justifiable excitement about something like a JL Gothom without causing any problems with the mods.

Please Craig, don't pretend that all brands are treated equally by the mods around here. It ain't so.

Its time to give the anti-SVS conspiracy theories a rest. I count FOUR SVS threads in the 1st page of the Subwoofer forum. If it was all or none, then those threads should be deleted as well.

If we want to put an end to SVS conspiracy theories, perhaps we need to ask how many threads of other brands besides SVS have been deleted.

Why does there have to be a problem with some pent-up enthusiasm about a certain highly anticipated upcoming product which happens to be from that certain brand?

Meanwhile, there is plenty of justifiable excitement about something like a JL Gothom without causing any problems with the mods.

Please Craig, don't pretend that all brands are treated equally by the mods around here. It ain't so.

Though I don't completely agree with the mods, I can certainly see their point. IMHO, SVS has a lot more to gain from these threads than JL Audio. I don't see too many people dropping several thousand dollars on a Gotham based upon these types of threads.

If we want to put an end to SVS conspiracy theories, perhaps we need to ask how many threads of other brands besides SVS have been deleted.

I agree with you... More SVS threads have been deleted, however, more SVS threads have been posted.

I miss the X-files. :D

I would bet that JL has sold more f113's due to word of mouth from this forum than from any form of marketing they have done. I don't see anything wrong with that. It's a great product.

I also don't see anything wrong with folks who have nothing to personally gain, freely expressing their opinion, positive or negative, about a product. If many folks are into talking about SVS, so what?

I would bet that JL has sold more f113's due to word of mouth from this forum than from any form of marketing they have done. I don't see anything wrong with that. It's a great product.

I also don't see anything wrong with folks who have nothing to personally gain, freely expressing their opinion, positive or negative, about a product. If many folks are into talking about SVS, so what?

I can't argue against your point as I bought the JL Audo Fathom 113 based upon the threads here.

I happen to think that is great for both you and for JL. :)

Why does there have to be a problem with some pent-up enthusiasm about a certain highly anticipated upcoming product which happens to be from that certain brand?

Meanwhile, there is plenty of justifiable excitement about something like a JL Gothom without causing any problems with the mods.

Please Craig, don't pretend that all brands are treated equally by the mods around here. It ain't so.

What about the concept: "The mods only react to a thread which is reported to them" is SO hard to figure out ?

I never said anything about equal treatment. I said the mods react ONLY to threads which are reported to them. If they are not aware of a thread, they cannot respond to it.

PLEASE ... read this until it sinks in. ;)

And ... SVS has sold more subs off this forum than any and every other subwoofer company on the planet.

Let's not pretend they have not benefited in a huge manner from AVS.

I don't mind, nor do I care, about any of that.

I am tired of the constant whining about "deleted threads". :rolleyes:

I am tired of the constant whining about "deleted threads". :rolleyes:

Ok, I'm done whining at least for a while. :D

Ok, I'm done whining at least for a while. :D

Cool ... go crack a beer, mix a martini, or whatever your beverage of choice is. :D

I recently upgraded my subwoofer from an ASW 600 series to the JLAudio F113. Not a fair comparison, I know.
What is interesting is that the F113 is not much larger than the ASW, but the sound! Easy setup, and than I put in Master and Commander's broadside across the deck scene. The wave of sound that rolled across me was unbelievable! My wife and kids ran downstairs to tell me a plane just buzzed the house. :D

This is one awsome sub!!

Chris.


Welcome to the club,and enjoy your sub Chris.

I try hard not to read these thread ever since I got this brute of a sub..
By now you see why.

Have fun

Daniel

Cool ... go crack a beer, mix a martini, or whatever your beverage of choice is. :D

Or howabout some Balvenie 17 year NewWood.... :cool:

Congrats Chris.

Mine should be here Thursday or Friday. (Did you hurt your back?).

I just got most of my audio gear last week. Will pick up a few pieces tomorrow. Im kinda irked that my NAD pre/pro kicks out the sub in stereo mode, when not using x-over. (Have large, full-range mains). Then it seems that the JL doesn't have hi-level inputs. Change out the pre/pro?

I feel its going to be overkill for an HT only sub, perhaps. I guess Im not too sorry about that? :cool:

Just take it for what it is. Someone bought something and is ecstatic about their purchase. At least we have a forum where people appreciate your enthusiasm. Congrats on your purchase!

I prefer threads like this to have pictures :)

hugging the sub box is not necessary :p

Correction, a dude huggin the box in Boxers is way Unnecessary.. LoL..

Need a chick in a bikini in the same pose to balance things out.

what is a good price for the Fathom f113

I am seriously considering using my existing set klipsch 4.2 fronts a kv 3 center and 1.2 rear swith rs42 side for a 7.1 system with the JL FATHOM 113..all powered by a possible yamaha rxv2700

work with this sub? or am i way outta line?

Ok so here's my idea:

4.2 fronts
1.2 rears
KV2 - have but will sell
KV3 center- yet to purchase
RS-42 surrounds - yet to purchase
JL Fathom 113 -yet to purchase
Yamaha RXV2700-yet to purchase

How do you feel about this set up?

Mine should be here Thursday or Friday. (Did you hurt your back?):



Those of us who where too eager to rip open the box without a friend insight ,and didn't even do proper set up if that. Put our chiropractors in a different tax bracket


Djoel

hehehe.

hmmmmm. As mine should be here tomorrow or the day after, I don't think I can stand looking at it sittin outside for very long. I am actually a bit concerned...

Congrats on your sub. Now all JL has to do is build a 18 and we can destory the world with great bass!!!

Congrats on your sub. Now all JL has to do is build a 18 and we can destory the world with great bass!!!

The largest 18" I can remember them making were the 18W3 and 18W6. The 13W7 (modified for the F113) is the largest of their flagship series (W7( for now. I would be very interested to see a larger sub built with the F113 type performance as the goal as well.

I would think a Gothom with two 13's would be roughly the equivalent of one 18" JL type woofer .

If xmax remains the same across drivers then then the displacement should be very similar to an 18"..... but look at the history

xmax in the older W6 series:
8W6 0.388" (9.8552mm)
10W6 0.469" (11.9126mm)
12W6 0.438" (11.1252mm)
15W6 0.420" (10.668 mm)

and the W7 series
10W7-3 23mm
12W7-3 29mm
13W7-3 13.5" 32mm
I would expect any larger drivers to gain more xmax in this series

now we start talking about gothams with 18"s having twice the xmax of the existing F113 driver... or maybe a new W8 series :D

Calm down now. You're outa' control.

Aw, man

This is the fun part of the hobby. At least half the fun is the dream. Actualization of the dream doesn't leave the imagination open any longer.....
:rolleyes:

I'll refer you back to this old thread to help your imagination run wild, in case you haven't already seen it:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=833224&page=1&pp=30

It is great to have such capable drivers in cabinets that look so damn good...I cannot erase my grin looking at my JL's. :D

I bet some tube owners get mad,as the ole carboard tube looks like a giant...toilet paper tube and is so big it takes half the house ...to produce quality bass the Fathom does from a sexy compact box. :p ;)

aahhhh! what a lucky man! wish i can have money like that to get a awesome sub. ehehe. but i would get kick out of my apartment if i did that. :( post some pics! :D

...snip...
(Have large, full-range mains). Then it seems that the JL doesn't have hi-level inputs. Change out the pre/pro?



Just what are those large, 'full range' mains? Ported?

Barry

Those of us who where too eager to rip open the box without a friend insight ,and didn't even do proper set up if that. Put our chiropractors in a different tax bracket


Lol! I'm not even gonna go into how long I was sore after carrying my F113 and then placing it on top of my other sub. My brother asked when I was going to move it around and I just had to laugh.

Definitely borrow a hand truck to move this beast around, otherwise your back will not like you the next day. The funny thing is this beast is just invisible. I mean this in two ways. The cabinet is no where near large enough to explain the power available (love this in my small room). And second, the sub is so 'tight' that it just merges with the speakers acting like it isn't there. I can definitely see where people who want that 'oomph' effect may be disgruntled with this sub. However, when you put in a movie with a large LFE, the F113 will sucker punch you in the gut!

Chris.

PS. I have to experiment with the ELF trim to see if I can get more of that LFE when wanted. THIS SUB IS TURNING ME INTO A BASSAHOLIC!! And also jeopardizing my marriage. :D

How much is the f113???

If I have a 3.3 with turbo, and I am looking to upgrade, will the fathom 113's performance justify a 2200 increase?

Definitely borrow a hand truck to move this beast around, otherwise your back will not like you the next day. The funny thing is this beast is just invisible. I mean this in two ways. The cabinet is no where near large enough to explain the power available (love this in my small room). And second, the sub is so 'tight' that it just merges with the speakers acting like it isn't there. I can definitely see where people who want that 'oomph' effect may be disgruntled with this sub. However, when you put in a movie with a large LFE, the F113 will sucker punch you in the gut!

Chris.

PS. I have to experiment with the ELF trim to see if I can get more of that LFE when wanted. THIS SUB IS TURNING ME INTO A BASSAHOLIC!! And also jeopardizing my marriage. :D




Chris you know how many times I have to put my face against my mains to hear if that certain tone/rumble is coming out the front speakers :confused: Then I look over my girl(all full of my self) who is sitting on the sofa wondering what the heck I am doing interrupting the scence! With a stupid smerk on my face I ask her like a 70'sa game show host! WHERE YOU THINK THAT CAME FROM THAT MOVE THE COUCH????...She just rolls her eyes :rolleyes: ,like who cares and lets get back to the movie.

Woman just don't understand..

DJoel

If I have a 3.3 with turbo, and I am looking to upgrade, will the fathom 113's performance justify a 2200 increase?

Yes if you want the best sound quality ,the gain in SPL is not where it will be at.The JL's driver can displace alot more air than the HSU driver,with the twin ports they ill be close.For punch the JL can knock the HSU out,for depth and output down deep it is a close call.

Is the f113 a better sub,no question about that. It is the next step up before paying big or building a monster sub often not practical at all.

You would have to demo A/B and decide.

If I have a 3.3 with turbo, and I am looking to upgrade, will the fathom 113's performance justify a 2200 increase?

IMHO, if you want a real upgrad get the MBM-12.

All the Best

...Assuming he has a deficiency in the 50 to 80 hz region. Why would you assume that? Is that a known characteristic of a 3.3 with a turbo?

IMHO, if you want a real upgrad get the MBM-12.

All the Best




Pushing more 50-80Hz output when people want to step up in quality! :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:


Now JL Audio should step up and release a JL Maddom :p A bass punch module,with a boxing glove on a hydraulic arm...to knock out Spygirl.

...Assuming he has a deficiency in the 50 to 80 hz region. Why would you assume that? Is that a known characteristic of a 3.3 with a turbo?

;)

This spy assumes the Turbo if deficient and needs a complimentary MBM! Thank goodness JL Audio designs a complete product that does not need an additional expense to perform.

IMHO, if you want a real upgrad get the MBM-12.

All the Best


yeah, this seems to be an obvious option. However, after one ph*******, I got an opportunity to demo the Fathom tomorrow in Canton. Ill let you know what I think when I return tomorrow.

Chris

If I have a 3.3 with turbo, and I am looking to upgrade, will the fathom 113's performance justify a 2200 increase?

I think that really depends on you. You are paying to get all this output in a single, small enclosure.

Or you can do what I'm doing. I run the 3.3 in nearfield behind the couch and have the Fathom run in the corner. One thing to caution. I removed my turbo last night and am happier with the performance. The low down rumble is great from the 3.3 in nearfield but the turbo puts it kinda close to your ears so you can hear some bad boomy bass sometimes if the source isn't well mixed. Without it, I'm having a blast. :D

running two different subs in different locations has a great possibility of lots of peaks and valleys. you're gonna need REW or SMS-1 type measurement tools to check.

I'm glad to see people are happy with this unit. Currently I'm reviewing it as one of my three choices. Wonder what would be better two F113s or the Gotham.

I am tired of the constant whining about "deleted threads". :rolleyes:

I'm just tired of your constant whining.

Spare me the four page rebuttal, I won't be here to read it.

PS. To the original poster, nice selection there and glad your very much happy with it :)

IMHO, if you want a real upgrad get the MBM-12.

All the Best

Heh, I love it. You really know how to pull the strings of the guys that take themselves and their kit a bit too seriously.

I'm just tired of your constant whining.

Spare me the four page rebuttal, I won't be here to read it.

PS. To the original poster, nice selection there and glad your very much happy with it :)

I am sure reading anything 4 pages long is beyond your ability to comprehend.

I'm glad to see people are happy with this unit. Currently I'm reviewing it as one of my three choices. Wonder what would be better two F113s or the Gotham.

Don,

Be sure to actually go listen to a demo. You might be surprised. :eek:

I know this has been mentioned enough times here already, and by persons of better authority, but still:

the F113 is a Freaking Beast.

The ARO calibration scared the living sh$t out of me. No joke.

btw, I LOVE the satin finish. So classy! Thank you JL.

Can't see any OTHER sub this small having this much power AND being this clean.
DIY may save money on pure volume, but there is NO WAY all else could be equal.

Chris.

PS jostenmeat, I also thought the thing was going to take off when it started the full calibration.

I'm glad to see people are happy with this unit. Currently I'm reviewing it as one of my three choices. Wonder what would be better two F113s or the Gotham.

i would think two F113s if they are both using the same driver(s) you will have 5000 watts RMS instead of 3800 watts RMS and more "room tuning" options

the question is, one or two goths? :D

i just found out about these subs today thanks to this thread

i've always liked JL subs, i have 3 sealed 10s in my pickup and i heard a demo of that "square" sub they came out with a few years back

it's awesome that sub makers are getting back to "sealed" subwoofers

i noticed the trend over the past 10 years has been "porting" or adding "passive radiators"

i'm old school when it comes to subwoofers, if one sealed sub isn't enough then get 11 sealed subs :D