Awesome! Once you get your Onkyo receiver and calibrate your speaker system with Audyssey, you should get even better sound out of the sub (as well as your speakers) due to the EQing that Audyssey will do to flatten your speaker/sub response. :)

Awesome! Once you get your Onkyo receiver and calibrate your speaker system with Audyssey, you should get even better sound out of the sub (as well as your speakers) due to the EQing that Audyssey will do to flatten your speaker/sub response. :)

Thanks again for your help. Im picking up the Onkyo next week and installing the studio foam this weekend. I didnt even play with the modes, just setting it to Max Output as you suggested.

But as it sits right now, good lord man! I watched a little bit of Tron with the volume on the sub set about a quarter, and at a low receiver volume....

If I turned it up, Im fairly certain I would shift a techtonic plate.

Anyone know how low the bass is in the depth charge scene of U571??? My dual pluses fill the whole room with an extreme bass presence. And man do those subs move some air!

Try looking for it in the movie sticky thread at the top of the subwoofer index page.

Yes, dual Pluses render the MO mode redundant...we like ME!

Try looking for it in the movie sticky thread at the top of the subwoofer index page.

Yes, dual Pluses render the MO mode redundant...we like ME!

Thanx...And yes both mine are on ME and I love it.....Worth every penny I spent....My step-dad is usually against spending a lot of money on certain things, that changed when he SAW my pluses. He didn't even hear them yet and asked how much they were I told him and he is like that's a heck of a deal, sometime I'll come listen and maybe have you order me one. This is a guy that wouldn't take my advice about subs before about going internet direct instead of buying something from Best Buy. He bought a Klipsch SW-350 for $350. What a waiste cuz now he wants a real sub and I paid $499 each with free shipping on my pluses.

If in another 2 months there's no go on that deal - I'll have to inevitably pull the trigger.

Yup no problem. Just keep an eye on this thread and their website and you'll know when the price dips down. If you want something now my parents sub (Def Tech Supercube II) is a small sub but packs quite a punch. It's hard for me to A/B them as they live 1,000mi away but when I do visit it sounds pretty similar to the Outlaw (1250watt RMS, digs down to supposedly 14Hz). It's on sale on Newegg as a clearance and with a coupon code listed on their page you can snag one for $399. My family paid $900 or so for it 2 years ago. My Dad has a huge WAF issue so that's why they went with that one. It's literally a 12"x12"x12" in size.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16882325040

I don't mean to rain down on the Outlaw (I still love this thing and would take it over the SuperCube II) but I can't comment enough on how much of a steal IMO that is. Here's some user reviews of it.

http://www.amazon.com/Definitive-Technology-SuperCube-Subwoofer-Single/product-reviews/B000TDCK6A/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1

My Plus just "popped", twice, during How to Train Your Dragon. I have the volume on the back at 3 and the AVR set at -5. Sounds pretty good (I like a lot of bass), but the two pops scare the hell out of me.

Is it a simple matter of turning it down, some more, or may I have damaged my two week old sub? It still souns the same during other playback.

Thoughts?

I had this problem even with my EX on the initial explosion in Iron Man 1 out in the desert. It's all in the tune. Fix the gain and the AV receiver settings. The sub is running too hot. Once that was fixed, I was able to replay the scene over and over and louder with no "pop" or clipping. ;)

Yup no problem. Just keep an eye on this thread and their website and you'll know when the price dips down. If you want something now my parents sub (Def Tech Supercube II) is a small sub but packs quite a punch. It's hard for me to A/B them as they live 1,000mi away but when I do visit it sounds pretty similar to the Outlaw (1250watt RMS, digs down to supposedly 14Hz). It's on sale on Newegg as a clearance and with a coupon code listed on their page you can snag one for $399. My family paid $900 or so for it 2 years ago. My Dad has a huge WAF issue so that's why they went with that one. It's literally a 12"x12"x12" in size.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16882325040

I don't mean to rain down on the Outlaw (I still love this thing and would take it over the SuperCube II) but I can't comment enough on how much of a steal IMO that is. Here's some user reviews of it.

http://www.amazon.com/Definitive-Technology-SuperCube-Subwoofer-Single/product-reviews/B000TDCK6A/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1

Very interesting little Sub at a great price. I'm going to check on those reviews.

Thanks man.

I would be skeptical of def tects numbers. For $450 i'd rather go for a 10to12 inch sub. (Imho everyones different!)

I use the relative volume scale to know how far from reference level I am currently at...I would think that an absolute volume level of 70 has to be close to reference level.:o

Movies with bass below tuning of a single PLUS sub played at or near reference level will produce noises that you will not like...is your sub calibrated level to the mains or running hot? When I had a single sub, I always ran hot and it got me in trouble with bass demanding movies...:(

82 is Reference Level.

I have the sub running slightly hot, about 2db on the AVR.

82 is Reference Level.

I have the sub running slightly hot, about 2db on the AVR.

Mild my friend mild:D

I would be skeptical of def tects numbers. For $450 i'd rather go for a 10to12 inch sub. (Imho everyones different!)

Skeptical or not about numbers I can tell you from experience I've had my fair amount of time running that sub for my parents and helping them set it up. It's no joke at that size for an 8" it pounds HARD. Just saying there's another inexpensive option. I still prefer my Outlaw I think at the very low end of the spectrum the EX you just can't beat size. I'll be going to visit them again this upcoming Thursday I'll give it another whirl again. Last I played with it was in November.

Skeptical or not about numbers I can tell you from experience I've had my fair amount of time running that sub for my parents and helping them set it up. It's no joke at that size for an 8" it pounds HARD. Just saying there's another inexpensive option. I still prefer my Outlaw I think at the very low end of the spectrum the EX you just can't beat size. I'll be going to visit them again this upcoming Thursday I'll give it another whirl again. Last I played with it was in November.

Didn't mean to put down your equipment. I'm always skeptical of numbers :). Sorry if I worded it wrong!

Either way - I'm not about to purchase in the next day or two. I'm still going to be patient & see if I can score a deal on LFM Plus or Ex. And HSU is still in the running. FV12 & Empire are not out of the race yet either. All is game at this point - I think a sale could break it all out.

Either way - I'm not about to purchase in the next day or two. I'm still going to be patient & see if I can score a deal on LFM Plus or Ex. And HSU is still in the running. FV12 & Empire are not out of the race yet either. All is game at this point - I think a sale could break it all out.

All of those subs are great and you will be happy with whatever you decide. I know how you feel as I was a wreck trying to figure out which one was best for me. In the end I went with the Plus and I have no regrets. Also keep an eye out on the Outlaw B-stock page where you can get a Plus for $449 shipped or call to see if they have any.

Thanks, Saints. Good timing. Scott emailed me back saying that for my room description and stats that an LFM-1 Plus is for me. Just scored a B-stock and hope that the order goes through and that the cosmetics are good looking. (fingers crossed!) :)

Thanks, Saints. Good timing. Scott emailed me back saying that for my room description and stats that an LFM-1 Plus is for me. Just scored a B-stock and hope that the order goes through and that the cosmetics are good looking. (fingers crossed!) :)

Yay! You're and outlaw now!

Just wondering, for those of you that have Pluses or Exs, do you prefer MO or Bass extension mode for you set up?

Just wondering, for those of you that have Pluses or Exs, do you prefer MO or Bass extension mode for you set up?

I prefer me mode. Tried mo and didn't like!

Just wondering, for those of you that have Pluses or Exs, do you prefer MO or Bass extension mode for you set up?

I think we've all hashed this before. I never tried anything but ME. I like my music but in an apartment I don't need the extra headroom on volume. I like the extension for when I sit and watch a movie. :)

Just wondering, for those of you that have Pluses or Exs, do you prefer MO or Bass extension mode for you set up?

You probably wouldn't notice a difference with ME mode for music (very little music has content below 25hz--mostly just some electronica/dance stuff and organ music). But you would get more low frequency effects with blu-ray with ME mode, particularly with the higher rated movies on the The New Master List of BASS in Movies with Frequency Charts (http://avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1333462). If your neighbors aren't feeling it, too, and complaining, ME would be the way to go :)

Thanks, Saints. Good timing. Scott emailed me back saying that for my room description and stats that an LFM-1 Plus is for me. Just scored a B-stock and hope that the order goes through and that the cosmetics are good looking. (fingers crossed!) :)

Awesome! You are going to love that thing. I got a b-stock when I ordered mine and I couldn't find a scratch on it when it arrived. I have read others that also got b-stocks and some had the same results while others had very, very minor nicks, but even if mine did come with a nick it probably wouldn't be anything a sharpie couldn't take care of. For the price and quality I would have gotten over it really fast.

I think we've all hashed this before. I never tried anything but ME. I like my music but in an apartment I don't need the extra headroom on volume. I like the extension for when I sit and watch a movie. :)

I prefer me mode. Tried mo and didn't like!

You probably wouldn't notice a difference with ME mode for music (very little music has content below 25hz--mostly just some electronica/dance stuff and organ music). But you would get more low frequency effects with blu-ray with ME mode, particularly with the higher rated movies on the The New Master List of BASS in Movies with Frequency Charts (http://avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1333462). If your neighbors aren't feeling it, too, and complaining, ME would be the way to go :)

Again. Thanks for all your help guys. I really appreciate it.

Yes, thanks. It's info mentioned at an opportune time.

Try looking for it in the movie sticky thread at the top of the subwoofer index page.

Yes, dual Pluses render the MO mode redundant...we like ME!

I look at the movie sticky thread........ And no wonder U571 DVD in DTS sounded awesome with my dual Pluses. It actually has material in that depth charge scene from 5hz to 40hz major deep bass.

How loud is too loud when listening to material like that that has extension waayyyy below the capabilities of the plus???

Just wondering, for those of you that have Pluses or Exs, do you prefer MO or Bass extension mode for you set up?

FYI, Audioholics preferred MO in the Outlaw EX.

I look at the movie sticky thread........ And no wonder U571 DVD in DTS sounded awesome with my dual Pluses. It actually has material in that depth charge scene from 5hz to 40hz major deep bass.

How loud is too loud when listening to material like that that has extension waayyyy below the capabilities of the plus???

You'll know it when you hear it...it's not nice. You'll hear popping & the sub starts jumping. I think someone described it as being like a horse earlier in the thread.

All of those subs are great and you will be happy with whatever you decide. I know how you feel as I was a wreck trying to figure out which one was best for me. In the end I went with the Plus and I have no regrets. Also keep an eye out on the Outlaw B-stock page where you can get a Plus for $449 shipped or call to see if they have any.

Good Call!! I'll keep that page in Favorites and check it often. I'm totally up for the B-Stock if I can score a deal.

Thanks, Saints. Good timing. Scott emailed me back saying that for my room description and stats that an LFM-1 Plus is for me. Just scored a B-stock and hope that the order goes through and that the cosmetics are good looking. (fingers crossed!) :)

Good for you!! I'll be looking at that page myself. As someone else mentioned here - most people have never had any major scratch & dents; and if there does happen to be a small nick here & there, I'm sure it's nothing a Sharpie can't handle.

Thanks.

I imagine that after a big sale like Outlaw had would naturally result in exchanges by customers second guessing and swapping out for other Outlaw subs.

It looks like outlaw had a few lfm ex's on bstock...exciting!

I look at the movie sticky thread........ And no wonder U571 DVD in DTS sounded awesome with my dual Pluses. It actually has material in that depth charge scene from 5hz to 40hz major deep bass.

How loud is too loud when listening to material like that that has extension waayyyy below the capabilities of the plus???

I would imagine you don't need to worry so much about that extension that is "way below." The graphs of the EX from the review (http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/speakers/subwoofers/lfm-1-ex-review/lfm1exbasicresponsecomparison.jpg/image_view_fullscreen) show that it has a very steep tuning point (the Plus should be the same).

It looks like outlaw had a few lfm ex's on bstock...exciting!

Yes - they do seem to have EX B-Stock. I'm actually eyeing Plus @ $449. I'm not sure I need EX -- not sure if the additional $100+ would be justified in my case. Especially if I plan to add a 2nd Sub in future to have Dualies.

Learn me this: These are specs for a couple Energy RC-10 being used as main speakers for the time being. What should I be looking for when setting them up with an LFM-1 Plus (that happens to be on the Fed Ex truck for today's arrival) :)

Frequency Response 50Hz-23000Hz +/- 3dB
Recommended Amplifier Power up to 175 watts RMS
Components 1" Aluminum Dome Tweeter, 5-1/2" Kevlar Ribbed Elliptical Surround Woofer
Impedance 8 ohms nominal, 4 ohm minimum
Useable Bass Response (-10db Anechoic) 43Hz
Sensitivity (anechoic) 88dB
Sensitivity (2 speakers in a typical room) 91dB
Crossover Point 2.4kHz
Operating Range Tweeter: 1.5kHz and >, Woofer: ~ to 3kHz

Any clue would be very appreciated.

FieldingMelish,
You weren't very specific as to what you wanted to learn, but the basics should be something like:

1. Connect the sub to the AVR
2. Run the room correction on your AVR (like Audyssey, MCACC, YPAO, etc)
3. Set your speaker size to small
4. Enjoy some bass heavy movies/music
5. Report how you feel about your Outlaw on AVS :D

Learn me this: These are specs for a couple Energy RC-10 being used as main speakers for the time being. What should I be looking for when setting them up with an LFM-1 Plus (that happens to be on the Fed Ex truck for today's arrival) :)

Frequency Response 50Hz-23000Hz +/- 3dB
Recommended Amplifier Power up to 175 watts RMS
Components 1" Aluminum Dome Tweeter, 5-1/2" Kevlar Ribbed Elliptical Surround Woofer
Impedance 8 ohms nominal, 4 ohm minimum
Useable Bass Response (-10db Anechoic) 43Hz
Sensitivity (anechoic) 88dB
Sensitivity (2 speakers in a typical room) 91dB
Crossover Point 2.4kHz
Operating Range Tweeter: 1.5kHz and >, Woofer: ~ to 3kHz

Any clue would be very appreciated.
Front crossover at 80hz, speakers set to small, run Audyssey/equivalent, enjoy.

FieldingMelish,
You weren't very specific as to what you wanted to learn, but the basics should be something like:

1. Connect the sub to the AVR
2. Run the room correction on your AVR (like Audyssey, MCACC, YPAO, etc)
3. Set your speaker size to small
4. Enjoy some bass heavy movies/music
5. Report how you feel about your Outlaw on AVS :D

I was typing on my phone... lol wasn't trying to copy

FieldingMelish,
You weren't very specific as to what you wanted to learn, but the basics should be something like:

1. Connect the sub to the AVR
2. Run the room correction on your AVR (like Audyssey, MCACC, YPAO, etc)
3. Set your speaker size to small
4. Enjoy some bass heavy movies/music
5. Report how you feel about your Outlaw on AVS :D

+1
One important thing to note after getting your sub is dont turn the gain on the back of the sub too high. Put it at the 9'clock position (which should be 3, i havent looked in awhile) and then run Audyssey or whatever receiver option you have. If you only have Audyssey 2EQ you will want to boost the lvl much higher than what 2EQ sets it at and an SPL meter will benefit you greatly. Let us know what receiver you have and we can help you further, but whatever you do dont turn the gain on the sub too high to get where you want to be.

Front crossover at 80hz, speakers set to small, run Audyssey/equivalent, enjoy.

Ahh the young padawin is learning! Haha jk

Ahh the young padawin is learning! Haha jk
Why you! Ahaha... no it's okay. I know general stuff/configuring but I usually just lurk because someone else with more of a reputation would answer. Call me lazy, I call it efficient lol...

Grasshopper says, "thank you all." After I posted my question, the Fed Ex guy rang the doorbell and it was off to the races. Without checking back on the forum, it was all about feverishly setting up the sub before my wife came home. I tried putting a flowering plant on the top of it, but she spotted the sub hiding underneath. It's that dang sixth sense, I tell 'ya. :rolleyes:

The wife is somewhat bewildered by all this activity given the recent sales going on and why I suddenly need a "bunch of large speakers." Best thing she said after a while wandering about the room was that it sounded like a disco. I didn't have disco music on, but it was her way of saying that she was feeling it. So I must have done something right in setting up the sub.:cool:

My receiver is a Yamaha RX-V671, so I used its included Parametric room Acoustic Optimizer (YPAO); it's not Audessy, but it's okay; done it before. I took the cord out of my old Take Classic sub (The one that told me it needed replacing when I watched the Close Encounters Blu-Ray; the part where Richard Dreyfus has his first encounter by the train crossing), then stuck said cable into the LFM Plus.

I put the LFM-Plus volume knob on 5, selected max output (took out the port cork), bypassed the LFM-Plus crossover, then ran YPAO. YPAO in typical fashion didn't get the subwoofer's distance correct, so I overrode that setting.

I will have to check where to find out what crossover the Yamaha YPAO selected to see if it's 80hz. (thanks, Loft!) Saints, I don't know what Gain is, so maybe it's the volume knob that I set at 5?

By the way, this sucker is heavy. :eek: Suffice to say, I unboxed the sub very carefully to salvage not only the sub, but my back muscles as well. I was blown away and gratified that my Auralex Gramma arrived just after the sub. :D The sub having been put in place already, I had to re-place it atop the Gramma. A labor of love.

Anyhow, my feelings about the sub is impressed, but newbie wants to be sure. I'll do the sub trick, putting it in the listening position when walking around. I know one thing. When I went to one side of the sub while going to review a setting on the back of it, it was pounding out some guttural notes far deeper than heard from my present listening position. So, while cautious, I am optimistic. :)

Grasshopper says, "thank you all." After I posted my question, the Fed Ex guy rang the doorbell and it was off to the races. Without checking back on the forum, it was all about feverishly setting up the sub before my wife came home. I tried putting a flowering plant on the top of it, but she spotted the sub hiding underneath. It's that dang sixth sense, I tell 'ya. :rolleyes:

The wife is somewhat bewildered by all this activity given the recent sales going on and why I suddenly need a "bunch of large speakers." Best thing she said after a while wandering about the room was that it sounded like a disco. I didn't have disco music on, but it was her way of saying that she was feeling it. So I must have done something right in setting up the sub.:cool:

My receiver is a Yamaha RX-V671, so I used its included Parametric room Acoustic Optimizer (YPAO); it's not Audessy, but it's okay; done it before. I took the cord out of my old Take Classic sub (The one that told me it needed replacing when I watched the Close Encounters Blu-Ray; the part where Richard Dreyfus has his first encounter by the train crossing), then stuck said cable into the LFM Plus.

I put the LFM-Plus volume knob on 5, selected max output (took out the port cork), bypassed the LFM-Plus crossover, then ran YPAO. YPAO in typical fashion didn't get the subwoofer's distance correct, so I overrode that setting.

I will have to check where to find out what crossover the Yamaha YPAO selected to see if it's 80hz. (thanks, Loft!) Saints, I don't know what Gain is, so maybe it's the volume knob that I set at 5?

By the way, this sucker is heavy. :eek: Suffice to say, I unboxed the sub very carefully to salvage not only the sub, but my back muscles as well. I was blown away and gratified that my Auralex Gramma arrived just after the sub. :D The sub having been put in place already, I had to re-place it atop the Gramma. A labor of love.

Anyhow, my feelings about the sub is impressed, but newbie wants to be sure. I'll do the sub trick, putting it in the listening position when walking around. I know one thing. When I went to one side of the sub while going to review a setting on the back of it, it was pounding out some guttural notes far deeper than heard from my present listening position. So, while cautious, I am optimistic. :)

Crawl, not walk. And you're welcome! Yes the volume knob is the gain, set it to 9 o'clock and rerun YPAO. I think 9 o'clock is 2 or 3 (not home currently) as you don't want to run it too hot. Glad you like it so far :)

Edit: Also make sure your speaker type is set to small. Not sure if we mentioned that before. :)

I put the LFM-Plus volume knob on 5, selected max output (took out the port cork), bypassed the LFM-Plus crossover, then ran YPAO. YPAO in typical fashion didn't get the subwoofer's distance correct, so I overrode that setting.


With MO, be sure to flip the switch on the back, too. That changes the electronics. Could be very bad for the sub to run in MO or ME while the switch is set the opposite way.

Also, what trim (channel) level did YPAO end up with? That's the important factor, not the gain (volume) setting on the subs. Many people recommend having the gain set on the sub such that the room calibration software ends up between -3db to +3db for best performance (the sub produces better bass), even if you have to turn the gain way down on the back of the sub below where you think it should be. Adjust the gain and run YPAO until in that range. Then if you want more bass after calibration, you can bump the channel level up a couple db.

yup plus don't worry about the distance thing. That's typically calculated for signal delays to the listening area. I'd leave it to what it calibrated it too

just got back from a field exercise3 and eagerly awaiting to get home to open my 2nd lfm ex :)

Nosferatu, cel4145, loft, thanks very much. I just got on forums after some time off and I will check into those mentioned settings asap.

Earlier this morning I had a chance to do the sub crawl all around and found an optimal location. Last night's small party in the sub's initial positioning? Not so much - my friend's girlfriend said she thought the sub wasn't turned on. :confused: Though if you walked behind the sub, it was definitely percolating. Today's crawl made it a game changer :D , so my stoked'ness is on the increase. All seated positions are receiving nice bass. I'll pay attention to all your helpful comments and try to improve what is already sounding encouraging. :)

Nosferatu, cel4145, loft, thanks very much. I just got on forums after some time off and I will check into those mentioned settings asap.

Earlier this morning I had a chance to do the sub crawl all around and found an optimal location. Last night's small party in the sub's initial positioning? Not so much - my friend's girlfriend said she thought the sub wasn't turned on. :confused: Though if you walked behind the sub, it was definitely percolating. Today's crawl made it a game changer :D , so my stoked'ness is on the increase. All seated positions are receiving nice bass. I'll pay attention to all your helpful comments and try to improve what is already sounding encouraging. :)

I'll always found it tough to carry the lfm around for my sub crawl. Try playing content than turning off the sub and hear the difference

I'll always found it tough to carry the lfm around for my sub crawl. Try playing content than turning off the sub and hear the difference

You don't really have to carry the sub around much. Just plop it in your listening position and break out the knee pads lol. Then when you find the sweet spot, move the sub to there, and go sit down and turn it up :D

2 ex's is god like...wow.

2 ex's is god like...wow.

I don't like you as much anymore :(

I don't like you as much anymore :(

The apollo 13 launch scene could've knocked down my back wall 0-0

The apollo 13 launch scene could've knocked down my back wall 0-0

You must be loving life with the Energy RC setup you got, too. Gotta be a lot of improvement of the MLT setup you had before.

You must be loving life with the Energy RC setup you got, too. Gotta be a lot of improvement of the MLT setup you had before.

I'm blown away by the sq with music! They aren't even broken in yet. Great recommendation Charlie!

I'm blown away by the sq with music! They aren't even broken in yet. Great recommendation Charlie!

The irony is that you spent as much (a little more) on subwoofers as your 5.0 speaker set. I wonder how we convince newbies building their first HT system to consider even close to kind of ratio that in the AVS Speaker forum? I just had a slight disagreement there with someone who wanted the "theater experience," and yet was intent on keeping his 10 year old Klipsch KSW-100 sub. He said that his friend's 8" Paradigm rattled the walls, too, so he didn't see much point in a 12" ported sub. It's kind of hard to communicate the OMG factor that comes from buying a sub like the Plus or the EX. As I explained to him, it's a "leap of faith" since almost no one new to HT has experience with anything like these subs (BTW: I think he's almost made that leap now).

Maybe we should collect these one liner, tweet-length reactions such as

your "2 ex's is god like...wow."

tatumguy's "I think I know how Buddah felt when he first reached enlightenment."

loft's "Mmmm... *drool* this... is nice..."

:D

The irony is that you spent as much (a little more) on subwoofers as your 5.0 speaker set. I wonder how we convince newbies building their first HT system to consider even close to kind of ratio that in the AVS Speaker forum? I just had a slight disagreement there with someone who wanted the "theater experience," and yet was intent on keeping his 10 year old Klipsch KSW-100 sub. He said that his friend's 8" Paradigm rattled the walls, too, so he didn't see much point in a 12" ported sub. It's kind of hard to communicate the OMG factor that comes from buying a sub like the Plus or the EX. As I explained to him, it's a "leap of faith" since almost no one new to HT has experience with anything like these subs (BTW: I think he's almost made that leap now).

Maybe we should collect these one liner, tweet-length reactions such as

your "2 ex's is god like...wow."

tatumguy's "I think I know how Buddah felt when he first reached enlightenment."

loft's "Mmmm... *drool* this... is nice..."

:D
I've experienced it before, but not my own. I'm already thinking about picking up a second... or maybe trying to redo this entire room to accommodate what I have now. Maybe I should rip out the stupid wood paneling that I have, paint the walls, and do some room treatments before anything else. (Even though I'm moving, that's cheaper than a second sub lol)

I've experienced it before, but not my own. I'm already thinking about picking up a second... or maybe trying to redo this entire room to accommodate what I have now. Maybe I should rip out the stupid wood paneling that I have, paint the walls, and do some room treatments before anything else. (Even though I'm moving, that's cheaper than a second sub lol)

Don't tear your house up remodeling to support your HT addiction if you are getting ready to move ;)

Don't tear your house up remodeling to support your HT addiction if you are getting ready to move ;)

The house needs to be redone anyways, so look at it as more of a motivator to make me do the things that need to be done and should have been done a few years ago; lol

The irony is that you spent as much (a little more) on subwoofers as your 5.0 speaker set. I wonder how we convince newbies building their first HT system to consider even close to kind of ratio that in the AVS Speaker forum? I just had a slight disagreement there with someone who wanted the "theater experience," and yet was intent on keeping his 10 year old Klipsch KSW-100 sub. He said that his friend's 8" Paradigm rattled the walls, too, so he didn't see much point in a 12" ported sub. It's kind of hard to communicate the OMG factor that comes from buying a sub like the Plus or the EX. As I explained to him, it's a "leap of faith" since almost no one new to HT has experience with anything like these subs (BTW: I think he's almost made that leap now).

Maybe we should collect these one liner, tweet-length reactions such as

your "2 ex's is god like...wow."

tatumguy's "I think I know how Buddah felt when he first reached enlightenment."

loft's "Mmmm... *drool* this... is nice..."

:D

So true haha. Glad I didn't go with a lava lsp12

I am going to have spent the same on my dual subs as I did for 7.0 speakers.

2 ex's is god like...wow.

Then I don't recommend a third marriage...

Then I don't recommend a third marriage...

Hahahaa +1

With MO, be sure to flip the switch on the back, too. That changes the electronics. Could be very bad for the sub to run in MO or ME while the switch is set the opposite way.

Also, what trim (channel) level did YPAO end up with? That's the important factor, not the gain (volume) setting on the subs. Many people recommend having the gain set on the sub such that the room calibration software ends up between -3db to +3db for best performance (the sub produces better bass), even if you have to turn the gain way down on the back of the sub below where you think it should be. Adjust the gain and run YPAO until in that range. Then if you want more bass after calibration, you can bump the channel level up a couple db.

I worked on this today and discovered exactly what you said. First try was using gain of 5 (like it said in the Outlaw manual). Result was negative 10 db on the woofer with crossover at 100hz. Next, I re-ran at 9:00 position (level 2) and the result was plus 1 db on the subwoofer, crossover at 90hz. I manually bumped it up a bit and so far, so good. If I put the gain knob higher than 3 or 4, music starts to get bass-y, and I am made aware as to where the bass is coming from. As a cross check, I'll put on a movie scene or two with heavy bass to see where I am in this. I haven't heard what great bass sounds like at a brick and mortar store or a friends house, but I like what I am hearing.

I worked on this today and discovered exactly what you said. First try was using gain of 5 (like it said in the Outlaw manual). Result was negative 10 db on the woofer with crossover at 100hz. Next, I re-ran at 9:00 position (level 2) and the result was plus 1 db on the subwoofer, crossover at 90hz. I manually bumped it up a bit and so far, so good. If I put the gain knob higher than 3 or 4, music starts to get bass-y, and I am made aware as to where the bass is coming from. As a cross check, I'll put on a movie scene or two with heavy bass to see where I am in this. I haven't heard what great bass sounds like at a brick and mortar store or a friends house, but I like what I am hearing.

Mine is set at the 10 o'clock position and the level on my receiver was at +3.0 after I ran the room correction and I'll admit, I bumped it up to +4.0 as I like my bass. Sounds great to me, lol.

Mine is set at the 10 o'clock position and the level on my receiver was at +3.0 after I ran the room correction and I'll admit, I bumped it up to +4.0 as I like my bass. Sounds great to me, lol.

That encourages me to tweak some more. I tried the latest Batman (just the beginning few scenes) and enjoyed some low down sounds. :cool:

That encourages me to tweak some more. I tried the latest Batman (just the beginning few scenes) and enjoyed some low down sounds. :cool:

Try the hospital scene in dark knight?

Try the hospital scene in dark knight?

I never got past the beginning. It must be a kick-ass scene. I'll check it out once my new towers arrive, either tomorrow or Wednesday at the latest. :D

I never got past the beginning. It must be a kick-ass scene. I'll check it out once my new towers arrive, either tomorrow or Wednesday at the latest. :D

Make sure your house is sturdy lol

That encourages me to tweak some more. I tried the latest Batman (just the beginning few scenes) and enjoyed some low down sounds. :cool:

Yeah, practice makes perfect. Just make sure you don't overdrive the woofer. If it starts to sound like popcorn popping, turn it down. But between 9 & 10 o'clock should be good for the volume. Have you also checked w/ an spl meter?

Make sure your house is sturdy lol

+1. Mine rattles :( Even with the LFM-1 Plus on a gramma.

+1. Mine rattles :(

Tel me about it lol I have to open a few doors in the house before I watch movies. After creating a diy subdude it helped though. I used the packing foam from outlaw lol

+1. Mine rattles :( Even with the LFM-1 Plus on a gramma.

You might see if leveling the Plus makes any difference. My old hardwood floors are uneven, so I had to adjust the individual spike level to get it very stable.

You might see if leveling the Plus makes any difference. My old hardwood floors are uneven, so I had to adjust the individual spike level to get it very stable.

Yeah it's level. The rest of my house isn't, lol.

Yeah, practice makes perfect. Have you also checked w/ an spl meter?

That's on my shopping list for today. I have a dvd incoming from Rives Audio that contains test tones, some of which are supposed to make up for a Radio Shack unit's imperfections. Audioholics did a write up on how to use it.

That's on my shopping list for today. I have a dvd incoming from Rives Audio that contains test tones, some of which are supposed to make up for a Radio Shack unit's imperfections. Audioholics did a write up on how to use it.

Good :) Can't wait to hear your feedback once everything is done.

That's on my shopping list for today. I have a dvd incoming from Rives Audio that contains test tones, some of which are supposed to make up for a Radio Shack unit's imperfections. Audioholics did a write up on how to use it.

You using the radio shack meter?

Im absoultely loving my LFM-1 Plus right now, and its still running off the Sony HTIB. My Onkyo 809 is arriving this Saturday, so now I am really excited to run Audessey and let this sub shine.

I was wondering if anyone is using any Bass shakers or other tactile transducers in conjucntion with an LFM-1 Plus or Ex? Since I live in an apartment, I am really exploring the idea of adding transducers in order to get a more complete home theater experience, especially at lower volumes.

Im absoultely loving my LFM-1 Plus right now, and its still running off the Sony HTIB. My Onkyo 809 is arriving this Saturday, so now I am really excited to run Audessey and let this sub shine.

I was wondering if anyone is using any Bass shakers or other tactile transducers in conjucntion with an LFM-1 Plus or Ex? Since I live in an apartment, I am really exploring the idea of adding transducers in order to get a more complete home theater experience, especially at lower volumes.

I'm running two auras and if set correctly they add a nice touch to the theater

I'm running two auras and if set correctly they add a nice touch to the theater

+1..I have 6 spread out over three sofas...

+1..I have 6 spread out over three sofas...

Awesome! What amp are you running them off of?

+1..I have 6 spread out over three sofas...

I think my wife is more excited by that idea than I am.

I think my wife is more excited by that idea than I am.

Hahaha watch some car chase scenes with it

Awesome! What amp are you running them off of?

Two are running off a plate amp from an old Polk sub...the other four are running off a 22 year old Pioneer AVR.

I think my wife is more excited by that idea than I am.

My wife has her favorite seat...:p

You using the radio shack meter?

It's new in box and I've never handled one of these. I'm reading the docs for it and the docs that came with the Rives CD. Rives CD explanation says that it will reveal dips and peaks in the room that they call modes - things that need to be extinguished by making changes in the room. Test tones go from 20hz to 20,000 hz. I'll go read the Audioholics info, as I don't have a concrete notion of what to do. Stay tuned. :o

In case I can't link to the Audioholics article, it's called: Subwoofer calibration using Rives Audio Test CD 2.

Yeah it's level. The rest of my house isn't, lol. Part of my problem is that I'm the one who sanded refinished all the floors in my house. Looks pretty good, but there are a few areas--one of which is right where the sub likes--that are not quite as flat as they should be. :)

Part of my problem is that I'm the one who sanded refinished all the floors in my house. Looks pretty good, but there are a few areas--one of which is right where the sub likes--that are not quite as flat as they should be. :)

Haha aww, well... I'm sure ill be dealing with the same thing. I do want to put in carpet though.

If anyone is looking to sell a LFM-1 PLUS vs LFM-1 EX please let me know. I am looking to add another sub to the system, but don't want to purchase a brand new one.

Anyone have an idea of when Outlaw usually has the B-Stock sale?

If anyone is looking to sell a LFM-1 PLUS vs LFM-1 EX please let me know. I am looking to add another sub to the system, but don't want to purchase a brand new one.

Anyone have an idea of when Outlaw usually has the B-Stock sale?
You just have to keep checking back. There was a LFM-EX last week but it went quick ;)

Just to make sure - back of LFM-1 Plus is switch that can turn off the cross-over (from Active to Bypass). I had it on bypass when running the automatic YPAO. If that's all good, then it doesn't matter whether to turn the crossover knob all the way to the maximum, correct? :confused:

Just to make sure - back of LFM-1 Plus is switch that can turn off the cross-over (from Active to Bypass). I had it on bypass when running the automatic YPAO. If that's all good, then it doesn't matter whether to turn the crossover knob all the way to the maximum, correct? :confused:

Bypass is disabling the active crossover, rendering the knob disabled as well. Only use the crossover if you are hooking up the sub directly to a power amplifier. Your AVR handles the crossover if you are using the subwoofer out jack.

Bypass is disabling the active crossover, rendering the knob disabled as well. Only use the crossover if you are hooking up the sub directly to a power amplifier. Your AVR handles the crossover if you are using the subwoofer out jack.

So you are saying if the subwoofer is hooked up directly to the Receiver via the subwoofer out, then the switch should be set to Active?

I had it on active but it didn't sound very well. I hit Bypass and now the sub sounds much better. I have a Pioneer VSX-1021-K

So you are saying if the subwoofer is hooked up directly to the Receiver via the subwoofer out, then the switch should be set to Active?

Set it to bypass...

Your AVR handles the crossover if you are using the subwoofer out jack.

Who you calling' Jack? :D



Thanks for the response :)

I have a 8x10 HT area in my ~20x10 living room/kitchen. How would the M80 handle itself there? My wife and I listen to about 50/50 HT and classic rock/jazz/some classical. This will be my first sub and I want it to last. I live in Boston, and even if I move, chances are my HT area (i.e. my living room) will never be above 10x15, so if it's possible, would the M80 be okay in that space too or would I have to step up (and if I purchased a larger sub now, would it be too loud for my current space)?

I have a 8x10 HT area in my ~20x10 living room/kitchen. How would the STF-1 handle itself there? My wife and I listen to about 50/50 HT and classic rock/jazz/some classical. This will be my first sub and I want it to last. I live in Boston, and even if I move, chances are my HT area (i.e. my living room) will never be above 10x15, so if it's possible, would the STF-1 be okay in that space too or would I have to step up (and if I purchased a larger sub now, would it be too loud for my current space)?

Stf is a hsu sub my friend! Not an out law. But id say try going for an energy 10.3 if you can still find it. Many folks love it for music

Stf is a hsu sub my friend! Not an out law. But id say try going for an energy 10.3 if you can still find it. Many folks love it for music

Oops, I should really sleep. I meant to ask about the M80... I am also considering the hsu stf-1. I think those are my two choices...

No energy 10.3 subs on CL nearby.

Oops, I should really sleep. I meant to ask about the M80... I am also considering the hsu stf-1. I think those are my two choices...

No energy 10.3 subs on CL nearby.

No man you mean the m8 :D haha I feel like you'd be better off with at least a 10 inch sub. Check out the outlaw lfm compact or if you can find a bstock lfm plus

Oops, I should really sleep. I meant to ask about the M80... I am also considering the hsu stf-1. I think those are my two choices...

No energy 10.3 subs on CL nearby.

An M8 or a STF-1 will likely be a little small for your living room. When you visit the HSU STF-1 product page, see the loudness rating icon? Click it. The STF-1 is recommended (and so would the comparable M8) for rooms up to 1500 cubic feet (include all open area in this). The STF-2 or LFM-1 Compact would be the better choice.

And no. It wouldn't be too loud. You just turn it down if it's a problem :)

You can never get too loud of a sub! If I were you id stuff a captivator in that room haha(don't take that as advice)

I already have a plus, but would it be a big deal if I bought an EX for the second sub?

Id say just go for a plus. Save the money for a different future upgrade

I already have a plus, but would it be a big deal if I bought an EX for the second sub?

The EX works just fine with the LFM-1 Plus sub...

Finally got my LFM-1 Plus hooked up. Paired with Polk RTI A3... sounds awesome. If I stumble on another deal or a used one for sale, I will buy a second (running in a biggg room). I'm glad I found the holiday deal at Outlaw!

Finally got my LFM-1 Plus hooked up. Paired with Polk RTI A3... sounds awesome. If I stumble on another deal or a used one for sale, I will buy a second (running in a biggg room). I'm glad I found the holiday deal at Outlaw!

What holiday deal??? I've been looking to buy a Plus or Ex since November of last year and have not seen a single deal on either in all this time. I'm looking at B-Stock now but it's always 'Sold Out'.

I'll be running my Outlaw with RTi12 Fronts / CSi A6 Center / Monitor60 Surrounds / Yamaha RX-A2000.

What holiday deal??? I've been looking to buy a Plus or Ex since November of last year and have not seen a single deal on either in all this time. I'm looking at B-Stock now but it's always 'Sold Out'.

I'll be running my Outlaw with RTi12 Fronts / CSi A6 Center / Monitor60 Surrounds / Yamaha RX-A2000.

Yes, there was a deal for Black Friday and again for Christmas.

I connected an Energy Veritas V-SW10 in place of my Outlaw LFM-1 Plus and it sounded okay for music - precise and tight, but it sounded so ordinary putting in a Blu-Ray. The atmosphere was gone in certain movies and make me feel like I was listening to TV speakers. I switched back.

loving my LFM-1 EX (my wife is even warming up to it). I think I need to get an Auralex GRAMMA, though...

Yes, there was a deal for Black Friday and again for Christmas.

Odd. I went through the whole Registration for the private 'Key' thing; stayed up with the folks here in this forum black friday night (I think 'twas the night before) ... also glued in on Christmas. Never saw anything on Plus or Ex. All sales were on different items.

Odd. I went through the whole Registration for the private 'Key' thing; stayed up with the folks here in this forum black friday night (I think 'twas the night before) ... also glued in on Christmas. Never saw anything on Plus or Ex. All sales were on different items.

He's probably talking about the normal xmas sale. The subs bundled with the oaw

Created my own little subdude with mdf and the packing foam that camewith the outlaw. Very pleased with it plus raising the sub a little made some sq differences

Nice DIY invention you have there.

Odd. I went through the whole Registration for the private 'Key' thing; stayed up with the folks here in this forum black friday night (I think 'twas the night before) ... also glued in on Christmas. Never saw anything on Plus or Ex. All sales were on different items.

The last sale was through their Facebook page. You had to vote for what you wanted to see on sale and it ended up being the EX. I think you had to "like" the page and then vote to be eligible IIRC. Sorry you missed out but it was discussed here, you must have not seen the posts.

The last sale was through their Facebook page. You had to vote for what you wanted to see on sale and it ended up being the EX. I think you had to "like" the page and then vote to be eligible IIRC. Sorry you missed out but it was discussed here, you must have not seen the posts.

DAMNIT!! Damnit!! Damnit!!!

And I stayed up late that Black Friday eve; wife & I both went through registration for the private keys & all .. and nothing!!

hey guys, I just want to let you all know about a terrible thing that happened a few days ago, we are taking care of a foster dog for a few weeks in my house, and it peed on one of my EX subs. The sub wasn't harmed, I was able to clean it right away, but I could tell it was shaken from the experience. Sometimes terrible things happen in life, and we can only do the best we can to deal with them.

DAMNIT!! Damnit!! Damnit!!!

And I stayed up late that Black Friday eve; wife & I both went through registration for the private keys & all .. and nothing!!

Hi mickey79, same here ... hoping there will be a Super Bowl EX sale ;). What concern me is the price of the next EX sale, if its going to be higher than normal sale $552 (since the last Plus sale was about $36 more than normal).

hey guys, I just want to let you all know about a terrible thing that happened a few days ago, we are taking care of a foster dog for a few weeks in my house, and it peed on one of my EX subs. The sub wasn't harmed, I was able to clean it right away, but I could tell it was shaken from the experience. Sometimes terrible things happen in life, and we can only do the best we can to deal with them.

Aww poor dog was shaken :( I hope you gave the dog lots of love!

Hi guys. I'm about to install two LFM1-Plus subwoofers into my system. My receiver is a Marantz SR8002.

My main speakers are Boston Acoustics VR975. They have an integrated 10" inch active subwoofer and a 12" passive radiator.

My questions is, should I consider the Boston's subs as a third and fourth subwoofers? Their frequency response as stated in the manual is 25-20,000Hz and they crossover at 2500Hz.

I know how to calibrate two identical subwoofers but what's the approach for 2 different sets? Should I consider adding the Boston subs in the first place? Would it be optimal to use them only for the L+R mid bass?

Thanks in advance for your help !!

Hi mickey79, same here ... hoping there will be a Super Bowl EX sale ;). What concern me is the price of the next EX sale, if its going to be higher than normal sale $552 (since the last Plus sale was about $36 more than normal).

Ah! That would fit well in my timeline. I don't care if it's $30~$60 more then normal. Right now the EX is well over $700 shipped. Anything in the $500's would be awesome. I'll wait & see.

Hi guys. I'm about to install two LFM1-Plus subwoofers into my system. My receiver is a Marantz SR8002.

My main speakers are Boston Acoustics VR975. They have an integrated 10" inch active subwoofer and a 12" passive radiator.

My questions is, should I consider the Boston's subs as a third and fourth subwoofers? Their frequency response as stated in the manual is 25-20,000Hz and they crossover at 2500Hz.

I know how to calibrate two identical subwoofers but what's the approach for 2 different sets? Should I consider adding the Boston subs in the first place? Would it be optimal to use them only for the L+R mid bass?

Thanks in advance for your help !!

I'd use the Outlaws exclusively as subs and cross your Bostons as 80Hz.

Thanks wuzzer. What about the subs on the Boston. Should I use them at all?

I'd use the Outlaws exclusively as subs and cross your Bostons as 80Hz.

Are most of you using raisers for the sub and if so roughly how high are you raising it. I have thought about using 1 1/2 to 2 inch blocks of wood to get it a little higher off of the floor but curious if it would make any noticable difference in doing so. I am thinking its one of those things that people for the most part would be split on.....Any input would be great

Are most of you using raisers for the sub and if so roughly how high are you raising it. I have thought about using 1 1/2 to 2 inch blocks of wood to get it a little higher off of the floor but curious if it would make any noticable difference in doing so. I am thinking its one of those things that people for the most part would be split on.....Any input would be great

Go up a little in this thread. I posted a pic of how I raised mine about an inch. Made the bass sound punchier

I just ordered two of the M8's for my two channel system. My mains are Magnaplaner MMG W's that are mounted on the walls. Since my main speakers only go down to 100 hertz, I could tell my sound was pulling to the side where my sub was hooked up. I am hoping by having two subs crossed over that high my two channel listening will improve. At least I will be able to take my SVS 16/46 PC+ back upstairs to my theater room. I was missing my dual subs in my theater

Jeff

THANKS to all forum members here who helped on getting my Outlaw and especially on helping set it up. Otherwise, I'd still be wondering what the hell is going on with the sound. Positioning is half; the other half is getting it set up correctly. Watched the second Jason Bourne installment tonight. Sounded great! The difference that position and set-up makes is really remarkeable.

Okay just got home from a 5 day vacation visiting family.

I know I commented a bit before I left I think in this thread (along with another) about the Def Tech Supercube subs. They are incredible for their size and I felt it gave a nice oomph when re-listening to it again while at their house.

As I stand here typing on my HTPC jamming the LFM-1 EX I realized what a different league the Outlaw is in. Epic bass. :D

As I stand here typing on my HTPC jamming the LFM-1 EX I realized what a different league the Outlaw is in. Epic bass. :D

The prodigal son has returned! :)

the prodigal son has returned! :)

lol

Thanks wuzzer. What about the subs on the Boston. Should I use them at all?

With the capability of the Outlaws I'd bypass the subs on the Boston.

Hey guys, over the last year it seems like ive had to keep adjusting my LFM-1 volume up little by little by little, until the point i'm at now where the LFE output on the receiver is maxed, the gain on the subwoofer is maxed, and there is very little output. The sound is working, but there just isn't anything there anymore.... is the amp just done? Any ideas?

Thanks.

Did you try another source for the sub?

How's your hearing? :p

Did you try another source for the sub?

How's your hearing? :p


LOL! yeah, the hearing is fine.... though I was beginning to wonder.

I did take the sub upstairs to another system and try it, and I took it out to the man-cave and hooked it to the tube preamp and throttled it up.... Nothing!

Like I said there is a very small amount of output coming from the sub, but its not enough to even hear when you stand back away from the speaker.

What size Gramma will work for the EX or Plus. Just making sure I order the right one. Thanks

What size Gramma will work for the EX or Plus. Just making sure I order the right one. Thanks

I have a standard gramma under my EX and it's the perfect size.

Man these things are next to impossible to find second hand. Still looking for a used EX or Plus if anyone is thinking of jumping ship

That's because of the price / performance that those subs offer. I don't think I'll ever sell mine, because I don't think I'd want to sink a whole lot more money into a super sub, whatever the make. I watch a flick and am very happy with the low frequency response and what it adds to a flick. It adds atmosphere that otherwise make a movie sound like it's from TV speakers.

That's because of the price / performance that those subs offer. I don't think I'll ever sell mine, because I don't think I'd want to sink a whole lot more money into a super sub, whatever the make. I watch a flick and am very happy with the low frequency response and what it adds to a flick. It adds atmosphere that otherwise make a movie sound like it's from TV speakers.

Exactly. I absolutely love my LFM-1 Plus and I dont think I will ever sell it.

I am itching to get a second or an EX to go duals. Was hoping to get lucky and find one second hand or else i will wait for the B-Stock sale.

HI I'm just new to the audio video but hearing a lot of the outlaw subs. IM looking at this outlaw lfm1 ex . I believe it is on sale at 549. is this what they are always priced at or is it a legitimate deal?

also how does it compare to the hsu subs particularly the HSU vtf2 mk4 and the even lesser stf 2.

i don't need anything too crazy just to compliment movies and music in an open grand style room. any suggestions?

HI I'm just new to the audio video but hearing a lot of the outlaw subs. IM looking at this outlaw lfm1 ex . I believe it is on sale at 549. is this what they are always priced at or is it a legitimate deal?

also how does it compare to the hsu subs particularly the HSU vtf2 mk4 and the even lesser stf 2.

i don't need anything too crazy just to compliment movies and music in an open grand style room. any suggestions?

I believe the normal MSRP is 650 but once in awhile,ONCE in awhile, they go on sale. Last big one was 550 I believe. The XMAS sale was $650 which included a OAW-3 and free shipping. I believe they have a facebook page so check that out to see if they post any info on future sales. As for how it compared to the HSU VTF2.4, the LFM-1 EX is better suited to be compared against the HSU VTF3.3/4. My parents have a 2.4 and I tested it against my Outlaw and the almost sounded the same. Probably the room had to do with something.

I also was at HSU's test room and I could barely tell a difference between the 2.4 and 3.4. Used all the demo scenes on ScubaSteves Demo Disv V2.0. But once again it was probably the room. So you can assume my next question, What is your room size? If it isn't too big you could just go with a LFM plus or 2.4

1.my room size is 15x20x9
-----however this room is attached to my kitchen (open concept)
2. so this is a pretty damn good deal at 549 then for the outlaw??

3. what is the difference between the outlaw ex and the plus.

Oh and thanks for the quick reply greatly appreciated.

3. what is the difference between the outlaw ex and the plus.

The EX is (a) bigger, (b) goes down maybe 2 hz lower (you might not be able to tell if you had them side by side), and has 3db more SPL output. So it can get a little louder (good thing, given your "open concept" room layout). Otherwise, same amp and driver. They just made the enclosure bigger to get a little more performance out of it.

Is $549 a good deal? Is it new or almost and does it include shipping or local pickup? If so, definitely.

The EX is (a) bigger, (b) goes down maybe 2 hz lower (you might not be able to tell if you had them side by side), and has 3db more SPL output. So it can get a little louder (good thing, given your "open concept" room layout). Otherwise, same amp and driver. They just made the enclosure bigger to get a little more performance out of it.

Is $549 a good deal? Is it new or almost and does it include shipping or local pickup? If so, definitely.

they are the same price right now so i guess it is a no brainer.

Man these things are next to impossible to find second hand. Still looking for a used EX or Plus if anyone is thinking of jumping ship

If you pay shipping I will sell you my EX for $800. :cool:

Finally in for TWO

............ it is on sale at 549. is this what they are always priced at or is it a legitimate deal?

also how does it compare to the hsu subs particularly the HSU vtf2 mk4 and the even lesser stf 2.
..............................

The current price is $549 with free shipping... this is a legitimate sale that comes around 2 - 4 times a year.
I hate to push the gear I own to hard, but at $549 to the door I think the EX is a fantastic value.

The Hsu VTF2 MK4 is also a very well respected sub and it goes on sale for ~$50 off fairly regularly.
The VTF2 and VTF3 subs were recently updated with new amps that have Q control which the Outlaws do not offer.

The STF2 is definitely a tier down probably 2 tiers down.

The Hsu VTF2 MK4 is also a very well respected sub and it goes on sale for ~$50 off fairly regularly.

Hi chashint, agree but shipping always kills the deal for me.

1.my room size is 15x20x9
-----however this room is attached to my kitchen (open concept)
2. so this is a pretty damn good deal at 549 then for the outlaw??

Hi skichiiwa, totally good deal (been waiting for this since Black Friday). My room size is just slightly bigger and I had a few email exchange with Scott which recommended 2 EX. My room dimensions and additional openings is 28x18 with 8-14" slope ceiling. It has two entrance way, one end it leads into a hallway and the other end into another small 14x12 room.

Just put in my order for the EX @ $549 shipped. Now that's a great deal. I've been trying to choose between the SVS PB-12 nsd or the outlaw plus (to save some $$$) and looked on the Outlaw site and the EX is on sale. That made my choice for me. I can't wait.

should've waited for this sale before I bought my second ex lol

This is strange. Not mentioned on the product page, and if you add the EX from their, it goes to the cart at full price. It only seems to be on the order form at discount (https://www.outlawaudio.com/mofcart/electronics.html).

This is strange. Not mentioned on the product page, and if you add the EX from their, it goes to the cart at full price. It only seems to be on the order form at discount (https://www.outlawaudio.com/mofcart/electronics.html).

Here's your chance to go duals!

I received an email from Outlaw just this morning that the EX is on sale for $549 through the end of the month.

I'm loving my LFM-1 Plus. Picked it up in December for $499 on sale. I would have picked up the EX but it was outside my budget at the time and I simply haven't the room for two subs.

I'd use the Outlaws exclusively as subs and cross your Bostons as 80Hz.

Thanks wuzzer. What about the subs on the Boston. Should I use them at all?

I have these speakers.
The crossover at 2500 hertz is the midrange drivers to the tweeter. Your built in subs play from 25 to 150 hertz.
Follow wuzzer's advice with a 80 Hz crossover, but you must use your built in subs. Plug the BA's in and hook them up using just the speaker level conections.
With this set up your Outlaw subs will play up to 80 Hz, your BA subs will play 80 to 150 Hz, and the BA's midrange/tweeter will play 150 to 20000 Hz.
Should sound great.

Beat me to it. It's a nice announcement to those waiting for a deal. I might call to see if a discount on the wireless units apply to my recent purchase of a B-stock Plus.

Not only is the Outlaw EX on sale for $549 (free shipping) until midnight January 30th, the OAW3 Wireless system is only $99. That's $190 off the EX and $50 off the wireless. If you've been waiting to strike while the iron is hot, now's the time.

I received an email from Outlaw just this morning that the EX is on sale for $549 through the end of the month.

I'm loving my LFM-1 Plus. Picked it up in December for $499 on sale. I would have picked up the EX but it was outside my budget at the time and I simply haven't the room for two subs.

Totally Agree. I got my Plus at the end of December and its amazing. I live in a small apartment, with a living room approximately 11 x 20 x 8.

I love it soo much, I want to get the EX now at this price. Mind you, I have absolutely no reason to get one in that the Plus totally fills up my space very nicely, and I do have neighboors (some have already been paid off to allow for bass transfer rights).

But good god man! I cant take it. Its like crack. Good base is like crack cocaine, and if you are not careful, it will totally take control of you and ruin your life.

I couldn't resist, just placed my order.

Building a new house, this will go in my new "theater". Still using my JBL S310's but those are on their way out too. Tower speaker advice question coming but still a couple months out from ordering those too.

Can't wait to hear what real base sounds like!

Just went to place my order and site is down ! Server is down due to maintenance or capacity !! I'll just keep trying .
What a great Birthday gift to myself took the day off and just read about the sale YESSSS !

Just went to place my order and site is down ! Server is down due to maintenance or capacity !! I'll just keep trying .
What a great Birthday gift to myself took the day off and just read about the sale YESSSS !

You can order from Outlaw Audio over the phone. Just Google their number.

Here's your chance to go duals!

Oh, no. I told myself I would wait until the summer before considering a 2nd. One has to practice some self-restraint in this hobby (he says to the guy who is currently looking at CHO speakers ;)

Man, wish I could swing another one. Great sub, hurry up and buy!

Just went to place my order and site is down ! Server is down due to maintenance or capacity !! I'll just keep trying .
What a great Birthday gift to myself took the day off and just read about the sale YESSSS !
Bought it ! Just had to try a couple of times - Now just need to figure out whether to sell both my HSU Stf 2 and 12in Klipsch or possibly keep one for a mid bass near field ? ? ?

Bought it ! Just had to try a couple of times - Now just need to figure out whether to sell both my HSU Stf 2 and 12in Klipsch or possibly keep one for a mid bass near field ? ? ?

Sell both and pick up a second EX before the sale is done.

Sell both and pick up a second EX before the sale is done.

No doubt. The EX has good mid-bass output and will be better than those other two. Just put the 2nd sub near the listening position.

No doubt. The EX has good mid-bass output and will be better than those other two. Just put the 2nd sub near the listening position.

Exactly what I did with my dual Pluses that I just bought in Dec. when they were on sale. AND I COULDN'T BE HAPPIER!!!

Sell both and pick up a second EX before the sale is done.
Ahhh maybe next Yr Cant afford 1,100 bucks right now ! Hell Im still paying off Christmas bills ( :

After only owning the Plus for about a month, I now actually look down on my friends who have bad and muddy bass, usually from a passive sub from a HTIB.

I feel like I am better than them. I know I am better than them. I guess its time to get new friends, preferably ones who can appreciate sub 20 hz frequencies.

the decision over whether to go with the OAW3 system is driving me nuts. I have a linksys e4200 v2 router literally right next to my receiver that outputs both 2.4 and 5.8GHz wireless signals. I'm concerned about interference. Anyone have the thing next to a router want to comment? Would I be better served with one of the amphony solutions?

Oh, no. I told myself I would wait until the summer before considering a 2nd. One has to practice some self-restraint in this hobby (he says to the guy who is currently looking at CHO speakers ;)

Self control...*breath in breath out*....ahhhh

After only owning the Plus for about a month, I now actually look down on my friends who have bad and muddy bass, usually from a passive sub from a HTIB.

I feel like I am better than them. I know I am better than them. I guess its time to get new friends, preferably ones who can appreciate sub 20 hz frequencies.

You are better than them.

You are better than them.

LOL

My friends usually go whoa or something like that when I jam this thing. This one chick I'm starting to date now I had over to watch Planet of the Apes (semi-bad move as she's an animal lover...:p ).

Anyways she was totally blown away. Will have her over again tonight for another movie after a night out on the town.

Outlaw FTW...:D

LOL

My friends usually go whoa or something like that when I jam this thing. This one chick I'm starting to date now I had over to watch Planet of the Apes (semi-bad move as she's an animal lover...:p ).

Anyways she was totally blown away. Will have her over again tonight for another movie after a night out on the town.

Outlaw FTW...:D

Haha. I had 3 of my female friends bragging about getting a "sound bar" and how amazing it sounds in their apartment.

They made fun of me and my plans on getting the Plus. They laughed at me.

Suffice it to say, once my Plus was up and pumping, they werent laughing anymore. Now, they just come over to my apartment to sit on the floor.

This one chick I'm starting to date now I had over to watch Planet of the Apes (semi-bad move as she's an animal lover...:p ).

Anyways she was totally blown away. Will have her over again tonight for another movie after a night out on the town.

OMG, you are using the EX to pick up chicks (lol)

Then again . . . dinner and a movie vs pizza and a blu-ray. The EX will pay for itself! ;)

OMG, you are using the EX to pick up chicks (lol)

Then again . . . dinner and a movie vs pizza and a blu-ray. The EX will pay for itself! ;)

My girlfriend literally loves to sit right next to my EX :D

My girlfriend literally loves to sit right next to my EX :D
Can't say that about Newt's ex though.

so I recently bought the Def Tech Supercube 1 from newegg for $535 shipped but I feel like I should have gotten a much better result than my Kef HTB2SE was giving me. Would the LFM-1 EX be a better fit for movies than the supercube 1?

I know this is the Outlaw forum so I understand a little biased response but maybe someone here has heard both and give me some feedback?

thanks and after reading about all these chicks that are being picked up using the EX, I am now really looking forward to owning one of these!!!

What would you guys get? A used HSU VTF-15h or a new Outlaw LFM1-EX for roughly the same price?

No doubt. The EX has good mid-bass output and will be better than those other two. Just put the 2nd sub near the listening position.

As I posted before, which sub and which alignment makes for the best nearfield experience is something that is open to experimentation.

For example, if I had dual EX's I would try using one EX in Max Extension placed nearfield, and the second EX in Max Output along with boundary reinforcement by placing it up front, possibly even in a corner.

Did someone say do the crawl test?

so I recently bought the Def Tech Supercube 1 from newegg for $535 shipped but I feel like I should have gotten a much better result than my Kef HTB2SE was giving me. Would the LFM-1 EX be a better fit for movies than the supercube 1?

I know this is the Outlaw forum so I understand a little biased response but maybe someone here has heard both and give me some feedback?

thanks and after reading about all these chicks that are being picked up using the EX, I am now really looking forward to owning one of these!!!

The EX in Maximum Extension will just crush the supercube 1 for movies. Not even remotely close.

Im running one of my ex's in me and the other in Mo. the mo is in the corner and this combo rocks! I believe I finally got them in phase

Im running one of my ex's in me and the other in Mo. the mo is in the corner and this combo rocks! I believe I finally got them in phase

So are you trying to say that you girlfriend likes to be near the maximum extension instead of the maximum output? I think that's more info than we wanted to know. :eek: :D

OMG, you are using the EX to pick up chicks (lol)

Then again . . . dinner and a movie vs pizza and a blu-ray. The EX will pay for itself! ;)

So are you trying to say that you girlfriend likes to be near the maximum extension instead of the maximum output? I think that's more info than we wanted to know. :eek: :D

Spewed coffee all over my desk...thanks hahaha

I'm about ready to purchase the LFM-1 EX but just wondering if it has any issues with reliability. I have a av123 mfw-15 which has been nothing but garbage since i got it with it's amp issues. Just looking for a good sub that will perform without any headaches and breakdowns, thanks.

I'm about ready to purchase the LFM-1 EX but just wondering if it has any issues with reliability. I have a av123 mfw-15 which has been nothing but garbage since i got it with it's amp issues. Just looking for a good sub that will perform without any headaches and breakdowns, thanks.

Never had any problems with my EX and my calibrator, Ray, had an outlaw for sometime and had nothing but good things to say about them! You'll be fine

Just bought the EX and am going to return the supercube 1.

Really looking forward to the girls that will be sitting on my floor!!!

I'm about ready to purchase the LFM-1 EX but just wondering if it has any issues with reliability.

It will reliably put out some serious low frequency bass.

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At Outlaw we not only produce products that gives you eargasms, we produce products that gives chicks orgasms!

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At Outlaw we not only produce products that gives you eargasms, we produce products that gives chicks orgasms!

Qft!

Just bought the EX and am going to return the supercube 1.

Really looking forward to the girls that will be sitting on my floor!!!

Yup. Its just super annoying having to remove the Subdude from under my LFM-1 Plus everytime they come over, but its well worth the effort.

Great, I have been waiting for the EX to go on sale since Black Friday! I just ordered one (almost two). I wonder how long shipping will take to get to Illinois. My listening space is 2000 cubic feet, max.

Just ordered my very first Outlaw ... The LFM-1 EX. The sale is incredible; I'd been waiting for something like this. I was actually watching B-Stock like a hawk .. this price beats B-Stock.

I'm in Seattle, WA ... hopefully it gets here soon. Will be posting here for help setting it up.

Just ordered my very first Outlaw ... The LFM-1 EX. The sale is incredible; I'd been waiting for something like this. I was actually watching B-Stock like a hawk .. this price beats B-Stock.

I'm in Seattle, WA ... hopefully it gets here soon. Will be posting here for help setting it up.

Haha perfect timing for you

This is my conundrum. I was all set to purchase a Rythmik FV12 for $499 + shipping but then the Outlaw LFM-1 EX went on sale for $549 shipped. Both roughly the same price - which should I buy?

I realize that posting in the respective owner's threads will probably elicit owner's bias but I figured I'd still post in both rather than start another "which one should I buy thread".

I'm set on either one of those at that price - room size is medium ~2000 ft^3. Thanks.

- Brad

This is my conundrum. I was all set to purchase a Rythmik FV12 for $499 + shipping but then the Outlaw LFM-1 EX went on sale for $549 shipped. Both roughly the same price - which should I buy?

I realize that posting in the respective owner's threads will probably elicit owner's bias but I figured I'd still post in both rather than start another "which one should I buy thread".

I'm set on either one of those at that price - room size is medium ~2000 ft^3. Thanks.

- Brad

Not an expert with either of those subs but, from my reading and research, I would guess the LFM1-EX is the better bet here for the $550 price. I think if each of these were at their "normal" prices, then the FV12 might win in the bang-for-the-buck category while the extra cost for the LFM-1 is worth it to some for the slightly lower extension and port-tuning capability.

My girlfriend literally loves to sit right next to my EX :D

When she wants to sit on one instead of sitting next to it, you've got a keeper. ;)

When she wants to sit on one instead of sitting next to it, you've got a keeper. ;)

I don't know if you've thought this through...

I don't know if you've thought this through...

lmao

Probably would have waited to get a sub if I knew the EX sale was around the corner. Oh well, $399 shipped wasn't too bad of a deal for my Plus!

On a side note, I changed my Klipsch Forte IIs from Small to Large on my receiver and along with my Plus there is some serious bass going on at my house now! I know a lot of subs and speakers don't play nicely set up like this but I must have everything dialed in well because we're rockin' tonight!

Probably would have waited to get a sub if I knew the EX sale was around the corner. Oh well, $399 shipped wasn't too bad of a deal for my Plus!

On a side note, I changed my Klipsch Forte IIs from Small to Large on my receiver and along with my Plus there is some serious bass going on at my house now! I know a lot of subs and speakers don't play nicely set up like this but I must have everything dialed in well because we're rockin' tonight!

As far as bang for the buck the +@$399 to the door is just as good of a value as the EX@$549 so I would not have to many regrets about that purchase.
If you like the inflated bass of running the speakers large glad you tried it.

just wondering if I'm going to have issues with the lfm 1 ex and my hardwood floor?

any owners experience this issue .

how do these pads work such as the auralex gramma.

thanks

links would be a good reply too.

just wondering if I'm going to have issues with the lfm 1 ex and my hardwood floor?

any owners experience this issue .

how do these pads work such as the auralex gramma.

thanks

links would be a good reply too.

The ex comes with discs you can put the spikes on. If you want to try a cheap diy subdude or gramma check up a few posts/pages and see how I made one using mdf and the packing foam that came with ex

Thanks Henry! Should I connect the power cord of the Bostons subs?



I have these speakers.
The crossover at 2500 hertz is the midrange drivers to the tweeter. Your built in subs play from 25 to 150 hertz.
Follow wuzzer's advice with a 80 Hz crossover, but you must use your built in subs. Plug the BA's in and hook them up using just the speaker level conections.
With this set up your Outlaw subs will play up to 80 Hz, your BA subs will play 80 to 150 Hz, and the BA's midrange/tweeter will play 150 to 20000 Hz.
Should sound great.

Am i getting too much sub for my speakers. the sub is so freaking big.

bought a outlaw lfm-1 ex

own def tech UIW RLS III In-Wall Reference Line Source Speakers as fronts.

onkyo 609

thanks

you can never have too much sub

you can never have too much sub

really?

really?

You will be fine :0 I used to use my ex with satellite speakers lol

Thanks Henry! Should I connect the power cord of the Bostons subs?

Yes.
The Bostons subs will play the bass in the 80 to 150 hertz range. This works very well. It will give you a very powerful mid/upper bass slam.

Great advise Henry, thanks.
I was connecting the Boston subs just like the Outlaws but having a hard time connecting them all togheter using the same frequency base line.

It makes sense now. I will unhook the rca's cables of the bostons subs and Ieave only their speaker connections to the receiver.

One last question if you don't mind. Do you run any sort of calibration to the Boston sub or just calibrate the speaker level section?

Once again, thank you for your very valuable input.




Yes.
The Bostons subs will play the bass in the 80 to 150 hertz range. This works very well. It will give you a very powerful mid/upper bass slam.

Hi, thanks to Outlaw and their recent Promo, I finally bought my first real sub, the EX, and wonder how it would best be set-up in an Orb Mod2 7.1 system using these small speakers with 3" drivers and their 8" sub located in the front near mains. Most of the pages I've seen here so far only mention set-ups with larger speakers. Any help would be appreciated..

My receiver is a Pioneer VSX-1020 that has variable crossover settings from 50-200HZ. The new EX sub will be in the rear corner of listening room (only available place) next to couch. Should I set the receiver crossover to 150hz? I do not have room for an MBM, but srill want to set up so I loose the least possible mid-range, yet get to some of the low, deep bass that a real sub can deliver. Room is about 3k Cu.ft. Thank you.

New owner here! Just bought the LFM-1 EX. Was on the fence and due to the sale I bought it! My second choice would have been the Epik. Hopefully I will take delivery by the end of the week. I am going to need a little help, so bear with me.

New owner here! Just bought the LFM-1 EX. Was on the fence and due to the sale I bought it! My second choice would have been the Epik. Hopefully I will take delivery by the end of the week. I am going to need a little help, so bear with me.

Ask away!

Hi, thanks to Outlaw and their recent Promo, I finally bought my first real sub, the EX, and wonder how it would best be set-up in an Orb Mod2 7.1 system using these small speakers with 3" drivers and their 8" sub located in the front near mains. Most of the pages I've seen here so far only mention set-ups with larger speakers. Any help would be appreciated..

My receiver is a Pioneer VSX-1020 that has variable crossover settings from 50-200HZ. The new EX sub will be in the rear corner of listening room (only available place) next to couch. Should I set the receiver crossover to 150hz? I do not have room for an MBM, but srill want to set up so I loose the least possible mid-range, yet get to some of the low, deep bass that a real sub can deliver. Room is about 3k Cu.ft. Thank you.

Does the pioneer have mcacc on it?

Quote:
Originally Posted by wiley52
Hi, thanks to Outlaw and their recent Promo, I finally bought my first real sub, the EX, and wonder how it would best be set-up in an Orb Mod2 7.1 system using these small speakers with 3" drivers and their 8" sub located in the front near mains. Most of the pages I've seen here so far only mention set-ups with larger speakers. Any help would be appreciated..

My receiver is a Pioneer VSX-1020 that has variable crossover settings from 50-200HZ. The new EX sub will be in the rear corner of listening room (only available place) next to couch. Should I set the receiver crossover to 150hz? I do not have room for an MBM, but srill want to set up so I loose the least possible mid-range, yet get to some of the low, deep bass that a real sub can deliver. Room is about 3k Cu.ft. Thank you.
Does the pioneer have mcacc on it?

Sorry, misfired, but yes, it has test tone auto calibration system built in

Sorry, misfired, but yes, it has test tone auto calibration system built in

Use that to help you set up your cross overs. Than report back and we shall see where to go from there

Yes, it is called MCACC and it usually sets all speakers to 'small', and I believe x-over to 150Hz with the small Orb SuperEight Sub, which still sounds good, just looking for more. I would like to keep it in the system in front near mains as it is now, and just add the new EX in rear, closed corner. No room to experiment with placement, this is only placement option, so I feel I must optimize set-up with the receiver and subs themselves and speakers.

Should I set the receiver crossover to 150hz?

A table in this review (http://techgage.com/article/orb_audio_mod2_home_theater_system/2) says that the Orbs go down to 80hz, but that 120hz is the optimal low end. You might want to verify that through whatever materials you have from Orb or by reading and asking in the Orb Owners Thread (http://avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=769976) as to which is optimal. But 120hz seems like it might be best to try along with 150hz. Then go with whatever sounds better.

Thank you, pokekevin, I will do that when it arrives. If you hear from me again it at least passed preliminary WAF testing.

I would like to keep it in the system in front near mains as it is now, and just add the new EX in rear, closed corner.

The opposite might work better, if at all. That Orb SuperEight Sub will choke long before the EX will even begin to be pushed. You may get absolutely no audible benefit from using it, other than over driving it.

I would suggest doing a sub crawl (http://www.audioholics.com/tweaks/speaker-setup-guidelines/crawling-for-bass-subwoofer-placement) with the EX. Then sell the Orb subwoofer for cash to buy some new blu-rays ;)

cel4145, Thanks, can't fit the EX in front anywhere, only rear corner

Thank you, pokekevin, I will do that when it arrives. If you hear from me again it at least passed preliminary WAF testing.

Waf testing haha

Yes, it is called MCACC and it usually sets all speakers to 'small', and I believe x-over to 150Hz with the small Orb SuperEight Sub, which still sounds good, just looking for more. I would like to keep it in the system in front near mains as it is now, and just add the new EX in rear, closed corner. No room to experiment with placement, this is only placement option, so I feel I must optimize set-up with the receiver and subs themselves and speakers.

Its good its set to small. Id need to research that super eight sub but if you feel like it fits fine in your system than keep it. I used a weaker sub than my ex in my .2 and while it didn't really keep up with the ex I still enjoyed it.

cel4145, Thanks, can't fit the EX in front anywhere, only rear corner

If it's much closer to you than the Orb sub, the Orb sub will have to be turned up very high to keep up and will likely bottom out before you reach decent listening levels for movies. I would try the EX first by itself. You might be very surprised how good it sounds.

Its good its set to small. Id need to research that super eight sub but if you feel like it fits fine in your system than keep it. I used a weaker sub than my ex in my .2 and while it didn't really keep up with the ex I still enjoyed it.

Yeah, but you have a 10" sub, and it's right next to you :)

SuperEight
Specification
Value
Speaker Type High-performance ported bass-reflex design.
Port Type Precision-tuned, flared snorkel port.
Amplifier Type & Power Custom high-power class AB amplifier with digital switching power supply for enhanced peak power output

150W (continuous)
400W+ (peak)
Amplifier THD <.1% (100hz at full power)
Amplifier S/N >95dB
Driver Super long-throw 8" high-performance driver with composite paper/high density ABS cone. This yields rigid, lightweight design with excellent low frequency performance and increased detail and musicality.
Magnet Assembly 30 oz. ferrite magnet
Frequency Response 28-180hz
Adjustable Crossover (40-160hz)
Max SPL Peak 111dB
Max SPL Long-Term 107dB
Features Phase Switch (0/180)
Adjustable Crossover (40-160hz)
Temperature protect circuitry
Auto/On/Off Power
RCA gold-plated stereo line level inputs
High level gold-plated inputs and outputs
12dB/Octave hi-pass circuit
Weight 31 lbs
Dimensions 12" H x 11 3/4" D x 11 1/2" W
(optional 1" feet)

Thank you for being so helpful, SuperEight still sounds very good, but I want more for the new movies with 5-star audio ratings

cel4145, I was thinking the EX would become localized in the rear by itself without the Orb doing some of the mid-range bass--is this an incorrect assumption? If the EX would provide full range by itself, fine by me.

cel4145, I was thinking the EX would become localized in the rear by itself with the Orb doing some of the mid-range bass--is this an incorrect assumption? If the EX would provide full range by itself, fine by me.

It will become localized at that high a crossover.

Parts Express has FMOD 50hz (http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=266-270), 70hz (http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=266-272), and 100hz (http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=266-274) high pass RCA filters. You could use one of them with the Orb Sub LFE input, then use the EXs built in crossover to filter it to produce below. Then your front sound stage would handle the higher mid-bass range.

I would move the ex to the front and the orb closer to you if possible.

On the side note I used to run my 2 ex's next to me but moving one to the front made the bass....just way more epic

pokekevin, Can't move EX to front, just too big, the Orb box is tiny in comparison and fits there in front of room under a plant stand. I just noticed that it is ported on the bottom, front-firing, it's about an inch off the carpet now and has been since day one, wife-approved. That is part of my reasoning to leave it there, plus hope it helps with mid-bass. But I would certainly abandon it provided the EX works well alone in the rear next to main listening position.

pokekevin, Can't move EX to front, just too big, the Orb box is tiny in comparison and fits there in front of room under a plant stand. I just noticed that it is ported on the bottom, front-firing, it's about an inch off the carpet now and has been since day one, wife-approved. That is part of my reasoning to leave it there, plus hope it helps with mid-bass. But I would certainly abandon it provided the EX works well alone in the rear next to main listening position.

Put it that way I believe the ex will be fine on its on :) theconcern I have ( cel too I think) is that you gonna have to work the orb hard to get it matched to the ex at the mlp.

Also just call me Kevin lol

cel4145, New to this, willing to try as an an option later on, which Hz would you suggest?

cel4145, New to this, willing to try as an an option later on, which Hz would you suggest?

Probably 50hz, but maybe 70hz. Depends on how good/strong the mid-bass is with the Orb sub. 100hz would still cause localization.

Wait until you get your EX. Give a little listen. Then decide :)

Thanks, you are most helpful, I will set it up and give it a listen, Who knows, maybe the high notes from Momma screaming and subsequent thuds on my coconut will be more than enough bass....off to close up the chicken coop and water critters. Thanks again.

Hello everyone, I was thinking about taking advantage of the sub sale that Outlaw has to offer as I am curious to see if anyone has any "input" on the OAW3 Wireless Audio that they have to offer as well. I'm curious if its a good thing or bad... meaning if it would cause any problems such as lag, interferinace or such. If anyone is using the OAW3 Wireless Audio it would be great to get a little feed back. Thanks

Jeff

Hello everyone, I was thinking about taking advantage of the sub sale that Outlaw has to offer as I am curious to see if anyone has any "input" on the OAW3 Wireless Audio that they have to offer as well. I'm curious if its a good thing or bad... meaning if it would cause any problems such as lag, interferinace or such. If anyone is using the OAW3 Wireless Audio it would be great to get a little feed back. Thanks

Jeff

Search up for member "Moneypitt". I sold my OAW to them and they are using it with a HSU. They may be able to provide some helpful insights on the OAW

-Kevin

As far as bang for the buck the +@$399 to the door is just as good of a value as the EX@$549 so I would not have to many regrets about that purchase.
If you like the inflated bass of running the speakers large glad you tried it.

Not sure what you mean by inflated bass? In movies each of the speaker channels is full range. If I have speakers with very capable output into the low 30Hz range why wouldn't I use it?

Not sure what you mean by inflated bass? In movies each of the speaker channels is full range. If I have speakers with very capable output into the low 30Hz range why wouldn't I use it?

Which speakers are you using that have usable output at 30hz???

Usually, if not all the time, a dedicated subwoofer is better at outputting than the woofers in a tower speaker...unless we are talking about them mega set ups lol

I have my speakers and sub cross over at around 80Hz. Sub is in front but you can't localize it.

I have my speakers and sub cross over at around 80Hz. Sub is in front but you can't localize it.

I see you have an xbox...what games you got lol. Was playing dead space 2 and my ex's made the game scary beyond belief lol

Which speakers are you using that have usable output at 30hz???

Usually, if not all the time, a dedicated subwoofer is better at outputting than the woofers in a tower speaker...unless we are talking about them mega set ups lol

Klipsch Forte IIs, 32Hz-20kHz(+-)3dB

Klipsch Forte IIs, 32Hz-20kHz(+-)3dB

Ahhh very well! If you like your set up set at large than good to go! :D

Guys,

What kind of a cable do I need to connect the LFM-1 EX to my Yamaha RX-A2000 reciever? I was ordering some speaker wire & banana plugs from Monoprice; I wanted to get reqd. cables for the EX from there too.

Anything else besides connection wire that I'll need for the EX?

Thanks!!

Guys,

What kind of a cable do I need to connect the LFM-1 EX to my Yamaha RX-A2000 reciever? I was ordering some speaker wire & banana plugs from Monoprice; I wanted to get reqd. cables for the EX from there too.

Anything else besides connection wire that I'll need for the EX?

Thanks!!
I believe this should work:
http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10236&cs_id=1023603&p_id=6305&seq=1&format=2

Length based on individual needs. Good luck!

I believe this should work:
http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10236&cs_id=1023603&p_id=6305&seq=1&format=2

Length based on individual needs. Good luck!

Excellent!! Thank you so much. I'll order now.

Not sure what you mean by inflated bass? In movies each of the speaker channels is full range. If I have speakers with very capable output into the low 30Hz range why wouldn't I use it?

The way your post was written inferred a big increase in the bass by switching the mains to large.
So unless you have level matched the speakers and the sub playing together, you now have double (inflated) bass.
If you like it that way leave it.
I found the double bass to be annoying.

How is the EX for music?

I like mine just fine for music.

I hope so!
The textured surface of the Gramma is great for spikes, and would offer greater stability.
My understanding, the discs are to prevent scratching smooth surfaces (ie; hardwood floors, linoleum, and other smooth floor coverings).

are you guys getting the lfm 1 ex on the gramma or just the plus?

Great advise Henry, thanks.
I was connecting the Boston subs just like the Outlaws but having a hard time connecting them all togheter using the same frequency base line.

It makes sense now. I will unhook the rca's cables of the Bostons subs and Ieave only their speaker connections to the receiver.

One last question if you don't mind. Do you run any sort of calibration to the Boston sub or just calibrate the speaker level section?

Once again, thank you for your very valuable input.

Now we a on track.
Remove the RCA cables from the Boston subs so that the 975's are connected to the receiver with just speaker wires.
The only calibration you need is to select small with a 80 hertz crossover in the receivers speaker setup.
With this setup the receiver will send everything below 80 hertz to the Outlaw sub and >80 hertz to the 975's through the speaker wire. The internal crossover in the 975's will send 80 to 150 hertz to the Boston subs.
Your very welcome.

I just ordered the Outlaw LFM1 EX for $550 Shipped. :eek: I've been rocking an old Infinity sub for the past 10 years. I don't know what to expect from REAL low end. My neighbors can thank me later. I've done some serious upgrades in the past few days, I have a SHARP 70" 3D Set on the way as well. I'll be back with some reviews.

nice. i think the new 70" display will make your new sub look tiny, so you should order another one or two to make up for it :)

We should have all the guys buying ex's right now make a video of their first response to the ex playing some demo scenes lol.

Just wondering if anyone else who bought an EX on Friday checked shipping ?
According to Fed Ex it says information sent to Fed Ex but that's it.
hasn't actually been picked up or shipped yet , although on Sales receipt it says estimated shipping date Friday the 20 ?
I was hoping to get it this week - Oh well good things come to those that wait so the saying goes.
I was just hoping to see IN TRANSIT today ( :

Just wondering if anyone else who bought an EX on Friday checked shipping ?
According to Fed Ex it says information sent to Fed Ex but that's it.
hasn't actually been picked up or shipped yet , although on Sales receipt it says estimated shipping date Friday the 20 ?
I was hoping to get it this week - Oh well good things come to those that wait so the saying goes.
I was just hoping to see IN TRANSIT today ( :

Where you from? Outlaws got a warehouse on the west coast. Could reach you quicker than you think