There's been no official word yet, but there was some mention of new products in the pipeline last fall (in an October newsletter) - at that point, they had one or more product stuck waiting on the Cirrus 49700 DSP chip. Since I've seen reports from elsewhere indicating that the 49700 remained delayed at least an additional six months, with samples not shipping to manufacturers until about a month ago (although I haven't really figured out where the chip stands as far as large-scale production or approval from the folks like Dolby and DTS). If I was a betting man, I'd bet that we're still months away from any HDMI 1.3 hardware from Outlaw - and we're as likely to see that first piece be a processor like the 990 as we are to see a receiver like the 1070. Sorry I can't be more help...

There's been no official word yet, but there was some mention of new products in the pipeline last fall (in an October newsletter) - at that point, they had one or more product stuck waiting on the Cirrus 49700 DSP chip. Since I've seen reports from elsewhere indicating that the 49700 remained delayed at least an additional six months, with samples not shipping to manufacturers until about a month ago (although I haven't really figured out where the chip stands as far as large-scale production or approval from the folks like Dolby and DTS). If I was a betting man, I'd bet that we're still months away from any HDMI 1.3 hardware from Outlaw - and we're as likely to see that first piece be a processor like the 990 as we are to see a receiver like the 1070. Sorry I can't be more help...

Thanks for the info Gonk!!

Hey folks, just ordered a new LFM-1Plus!!!!!! I have owned both the SVS PB10-NSD and the PB12-NSD. Also have owned a Mirage S12 and Hsu VTF-3MKIII. Currently, I own a Mirage S10 but will now give an Outlaw LFM-1Plus a chance. Just hope it measures up. My new dedicated ht room is much smaller coming in at only 706 ft. ^3 that is fully enclosed. Thus, the Mirage S10 does a superb job but just want more of it. I do believe the LFM-1Plus will do the job. It is kinda scary what the Plus may do in such a small ht room. The Mirage S10 is now up for sale!!!!!!

Hi audiofreak38,

Congratulations on your LFM-1+ purchase.:)

Please stop back and tell all of us how the 1+ stacks up with the rest of the subs you have experienced. I am really interested in the comparison to the Hsu & SVS.

Larry

Hi audiofreak38,

Congratulations on your LFM-1+ purchase.:)

Please stop back and tell all of us how the 1+ stacks up with the rest of the subs you have experienced. I am really interested in the comparison to the Hsu & SVS.

Larry
Hi Larry. Well, to be fair most of all of the subs I have owned were in my former ht room which was much larger and open to other rooms. With that said, it really would not be a fair comparison. I will say, however, that of all the subs mentioned the VTF3.3 was significantly better with music. The same holds true with respect to the PB12-NSD and ht performance. The rest were no slouches in that regard. Keep in mind too, that the PB12-NSD has been improved. I also preferred the pitch of the PB10-NSD the best of all. What surprises me is just how good the Omni S10 performs. It really does not sound like a 10" driver but larger. I just want more of it and I do believe the Plus is up to the challenge. I will post my initial impressions as soon as I can.

Hi Larry. Well, to be fair most of all of the subs I have owned were in my former ht room which was much larger and open to other rooms. With that said, it really would not be a fair comparison. I will say, however, that of all the subs mentioned the VTF3.3 was significantly better with music. The same holds true with respect to the PB12-NSD and ht performance. The rest were no slouches in that regard. Keep in mind too, that the PB12-NSD has been improved. I also preferred the pitch of the PB10-NSD the best of all. What surprises me is just how good the Omni S10 performs. It really does not sound like a 10" driver but larger. I just want more of it and I do believe the Plus is up to the challenge. I will post my initial impressions as soon as I can.

audiofreak - you should have stayed with the HSU! Even in the smaller room, there is no such thing as overkill :D !

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audiofreak - you should have stayed with the HSU! Even in the smaller room, there is no such thing as overkill :D !
I did not get rid of the 3.3 because of too much bass. It was because my former home had a roof leaking problem. Got rid of all my gear before it all got ruined due to water leaking in. I had no idea at the time I would be living in a much newer home. Otherwise, I would still have the 3.3. However, we all live and learn. Sometimes, life's lessons are costly.

I did not get rid of the 3.3 because of too much bass. It was because my former home had a roof leaking problem. Got rid of all my gear before it all got ruined due to water leaking in. I had no idea at the time I would be living in a much newer home. Otherwise, I would still have the 3.3. However, we all live and learn. Sometimes, life's lessons are costly.
Why not get another HSU 3.3 and keep the headroom?? I bet you will have 2 Outlaws later :)

Why not get another HSU 3.3 and keep the headroom?? I bet you will have 2 Outlaws later :)
Very good question Mike. Well, if you only knew how small my ht room is. The 3.3 is a bit larger than the Plus so I opted for the Plus. The 3.3 is also more expensive. Lastly, the Plus is a down-firing sub with down-firing ports. These do help to reduce distortion. Therefore, I just decided the Plus would be my best option right now. It is doubtful I will need a second Plus but you never know I always say. I was also looking at the Epik Valor but it too was more expensive.

Plus= looks nicer also. Post has it sounds compared to the rest

These do help to reduce distortion.
Why would downfiring ports or drivers reduce distortion. If the port or driver is producing distortion, the directiion they are firing is not going to help.

Why would downfiring ports or drivers reduce distortion. If the port or driver is producing distortion, the directiion they are firing is not going to help.

They don't, it's just marketing hype. I'll stick with my front firing sealed sub thank you.

Plus= looks nicer also. Post has it sounds compared to the rest
Yeah, the Plus does have a nice look to it. I just recently seen a good pic of one on audiogon and was really impressed with what I saw. As far as comparisons go, most would come from memory and as such be highly subjective. My new dedicated ht room is ONLY 706 ft.^3 whereas my former was a little under 2000 ft.^3 and was open to to a small hallway closet as well as my dining/kitchen area. Basically, the room would be much closer to 3000 ft.^3. My new room is not only much smaller, it is fully enclosed with an oblong shape to it. The room roughly measures 15' L X 7.5' X W X 7' H. It really is kinda scary thinking what the 3.3 or the newer designed PB12-NSD would do to a room that small. I am amazed at just how good the Omni S10 is performing. Anyways, when I get the Plus and once it is dialed in properly, I will be more than happy to share my thoughts.

Why would downfiring ports or drivers reduce distortion. If the port or driver is producing distortion, the directiion they are firing is not going to help.
Well Curtis, I guess you need to ask Outlaw on that one. From what I understand, down-firing ports reduces distortion due to the design itself. Mirage has claimed basically the same thing. Down-firing ports also allow for placement options that may not be available to a front or rear firing port design. The Omni S10 does sound extremely clean in my small ht room. It has plenty of extension with good visceral impact when watching a movie as well as providing some very tight, articulate bass when simply listening to a cd.

They don't, it's just marketing hype. I'll stick with my front firing sealed sub thank you.
So, are you implying that Outlaw is making a false claim? Sorry, but I am a bit confused here. Care to elaborate? :confused::confused:

Why would downfiring ports or drivers reduce distortion. If the port or driver is producing distortion, the directiion they are firing is not going to help.
Hey Curtis I may have confused myself. Correct me if I am wrong, but the down-firing ports help to reduce port noise right? So, the higher the distortion the more port noise becomes audible. Am I correct here? If not, then what causes port noise??? That is one thing I do not care for is port noise. The only time I have heard any was when the driver bottomed out. I am still a bit confused here. Care to help as I know you seem to know a lot about this stuff.

I don't care for ported designs they usually have higher distortion than a good sealed design like a Velodyne DD series or a Martin Logan Descent or Depth. I think all ported designs will produce port noise at a certain volume level, some more than others. Can you point me to a white paper or controlled test that proves downward ports reduce noise ? If so great and forgive my ignorance. If not then it is just marketing hype.

I don't care for ported designs they usually have higher distortion than a good sealed design like a Velodyne DD series or a Martin Logan Descent or Depth. I think all ported designs will produce port noise at a certain volume level, some more than others. Can you point me to a white paper or controlled test that proves downward ports reduce noise ? If so great and forgive my ignorance. If not then it is just marketing hype.


This issue comes up almost every day. The difference is that sealed designs will roll off more gradually at the lowest frequencies, while a ported design will have a much sharper roll of below its tuning frequency.

As far as distortion, the Velo DD series has the servo mechanism that will hold both distortion and output down as the subs limits are approached.

Some ported subs have been designed with limiters to hold distortion down.

It's interesting to note that in the test by Tom Nousaine, the $15,000 sealed Velodyne DD-1812 put out only 0.1 db more output from 25-62Hz than the $1,600 Epik Conquest. Even more interesting the Conquest just murdered the $15,000 Velo DD-1812 from 25Hz down to 12.5 Hz. The Conquest put out 112.3 db at 25Hz vs. 107.6 db for the DD-1812, 109.3 db for the Conquest at 20Hz vs. 103.9 db for the DD-1812.

And for people who like pipe organ or the deepest effects on DVDs, the Conquest did 104.7 db @ 16Hz vs. 101.9 db for the DD-1812.

Last but not least, at 12.5 Hz the Conquest put out 103.9 db with only 3.4% distortion.
The Velodyne DD-18 could not reproduce 12.5 Hz at any level without exceeding 10% distortion.

Have any of you heard both an Outlaw ex and an AV123 mfw-15? I have the mfw-15 scheduled to arrive in a few weeks but recently have started to think about switching to a down-firing sub due to active kids/room config. Looks are important which is why I had these two on my radar all along.

What will I be giving up with the outlaw? Range seems similar so I assume just overall "impact" due to the 15 inch versus 12 inch?

Have any of you heard both an Outlaw ex and an AV123 mfw-15? I have the mfw-15 scheduled to arrive in a few weeks but recently have started to think about switching to a down-firing sub due to active kids/room config. Looks are important which is why I had these two on my radar all along.

What will I be giving up with the outlaw? Range seems similar so I assume just overall "impact" due to the 15 inch versus 12 inch?

There's no replacement for displacement, I would stick with the 15" MFW.

Hey Curtis I may have confused myself. Correct me if I am wrong, but the down-firing ports help to reduce port noise right? So, the higher the distortion the more port noise becomes audible. Am I correct here? If not, then what causes port noise??? That is one thing I do not care for is port noise. The only time I have heard any was when the driver bottomed out. I am still a bit confused here. Care to help as I know you seem to know a lot about this stuff.
OK...that's different.

Down firing could help mask the port noise (the thought being the noise can be absorb by the carpet), but it is still there. Port noise is certainly distortion, but is not the only source for distortion.

Have any of you heard both an Outlaw ex and an AV123 mfw-15? I have the mfw-15 scheduled to arrive in a few weeks but recently have started to think about switching to a down-firing sub due to active kids/room config. Looks are important which is why I had these two on my radar all along.

What will I be giving up with the outlaw? Range seems similar so I assume just overall "impact" due to the 15 inch versus 12 inch?

I agree, stay with mfw-15!

I have an overall question for the rest of the Outlaw group... how much power are you running the rest of your system with? I currently have a NAD T754 which is only 70wpc. I am thinking of adding an additional amp to increase the power. My reasoning is.. with the added power to the rest of the system, I am hoping to get even more impact from the LFM-1 EX and MBM-12 combo. It feels like they are just coasting while the NAD is near its limit on driving the rest of the speakers. Your thoughts and input is needed!

Mains - Triangle Antal - 120 watts (240 peak)
Center - Triangle Odyssey Minor - 80 watts (160 peak)
Rears - M&K K4 - 150 watts max
Room Size - a very open 2,300 cubic feet
Listening - 70% HT 30% music

OK...that's different.

Down firing could help mask the port noise (the thought being the noise can be absorb by the carpet), but it is still there. Port noise is certainly distortion, but is not the only source for distortion.
Yeah, that makes sense. Thanks for the clarification.

^ any reviews yet?^^ Audiofreak?

^ any reviews yet?^^ Audiofreak?
No not yet Mike. I have not received the Plus yet. It just shipped today. My MOM just had a lung biopsy so things are hectic right now. She will be getting the results tomorrow. I have to look after her as my siblings do what they can. I also just bought a new TV stand and have to take everything apart and reconnect. All of this will take a bit of time to get it all dialed in just right. Sorry, but it may be a bit yet. Am sure you understand. BTW, my name is Phil.

Audiofreak, sorry to hear about your mom, I hope everything is ok.

I just got my plus last week, and although I haven't had time to really set it up right, I can say that it has improved my ht exponentially (Polk M10b's, csi3, rtfx's, Pioneer Elite vsx80txv, Oppo 981). I have a 3000cf room and watching Pirates of the Carribean 3 there's a part at the title scene where a coin drops, lots of low rumbling that I could feel. The malestrom scene was a house shaker, and I don't have it set what I would call hot either. The cannons and explosions were crisp sounding, it made noise when it was supposed to, and it made what it was supposed to.

We watch quite a few concert dvd's, The sound matches the kick drums vibrating on the plasma, and I can hear bass notes I haven't heard before, but it's fairly subdued on the music track (unless my wife wants me to turn it up), which is what I wanted. No irritating boomy thumping for me thank you very much, I just want to hear what's on the track.

I'm on vacation next week, and I'll spend some more time trying to get it right, I'll try to report back then. I'll try some cd's and see how it really does on music then.

Audiofreak, sorry to hear about your mom, I hope everything is ok.

I just got my plus last week, and although I haven't had time to really set it up right, I can say that it has improved my ht exponentially (Polk M10b's, csi3, rtfx's, Pioneer Elite vsx80txv, Oppo 981). I have a 3000cf room and watching Pirates of the Carribean 3 there's a part at the title scene where a coin drops, lots of low rumbling that I could feel. The malestrom scene was a house shaker, and I don't have it set what I would call hot either. The cannons and explosions were crisp sounding, it made noise when it was supposed to, and it made what it was supposed to.

We watch quite a few concert dvd's, The sound matches the kick drums vibrating on the plasma, and I can hear bass notes I haven't heard before, but it's fairly subdued on the music track (unless my wife wants me to turn it up), which is what I wanted. No irritating boomy thumping for me thank you very much, I just want to hear what's on the track.

I'm on vacation next week, and I'll spend some more time trying to get it right, I'll try to report back then. I'll try some cd's and see how it really does on music then.
Thanks a bunch Rivrrat for the kind words. I also want to thank you for the info with respect to the Plus. Mine is on its way here. However, my MOM was told today she has lung cancer. :(:( She has a real battle ahead of her.

Hello Phil,

I am very sorry to read the bad news about your Mother. It really puts things in perspective. You and your Mother will be in our prayers.

Larry

Hello Phil,

I am very sorry to read the bad news about your Mother. It really puts things in perspective. You and your Mother will be in our prayers.

Larry
Thanks so very much Larry. We both appreciate it. For the next 3-weeks she will be undergoing a lot of medical tests in order to determine whether or not she can have the growth removed from her lung. Right now, it does NOT look like my Mom can stand the surgery which means she will have to have radiation therapy. Her doctor wants to move rather quickly before it progresses. Hopefully, it has NOT spread. We will know soon. She is in God's hands and all I ask if when it is her time to go she not suffer any more than she has to. You are correct in that things NOW have been put into perspective.

phil,

my mom is going through treatment for throat cancer, so I am in the same boat you are. my best to you and your family.

phil,

my mom is going through treatment for throat cancer, so I am in the same boat you are. my best to you and your family.
Hey, thank you so much. I am so sorry to hear about your Mom. My sis had the same thing and she is cancer free thus far. Never give up my friend as there is always HOPE. My thoughts and prayers are with you my friend. God bless.

Cheers,

Phil

Just received an email from Outlaw...LFM-2's are on sale until June1 for 199.00 each. WOO HOO!

Just received an email from Outlaw...LFM-2's are on sale until June1 for 199.00 each. WOO HOO!

ya, one of them lil guys would go great next to my theater chairs!

Hello Fellow Owners,

I have just received my second LFM-1+ for my dedicated 2,850 cubic foot Home Theater. First, I want to thank Scott at Outlaw Audio for extending me the (2) LFM-1+ discount after 45 days with the first sub. He didn’t have to do this and I really appreciate the great customer service at Outlaw.:)

My Wife & I are avid HD Movie watchers and both of us like sound & sound effects as we watch. The soundscape pulls us in to what we are watching and we both love the LFE channel. The only music we listen to is what is in the movie or a concert HD-DVD/Blu-ray.

I have Polk speakers set-up in a 7.0 system with the –3dB points of the various speakers between 50 to 60 dBs. The AVR I have is an Onkyo 805 and I have EQ’ed the set-up with the built-in Audyssey software and 8 points around our sofa. I have balanced all SP levels using the 805’s test tones with the RS SPL Meter to read 75 dBs and the individual subs are reading 78 dBs. Together they are producing 82 dBs.

I have the first LFM-1+ located 2-3’ behind the centerline of the sofa running parallel along the back (short) wall. I located the other sub in the front right corner of the TR running parallel along the long wall of the TR. Both subs are in max extension mode. I just watched Master & Commander [SD] and all I can say is WOW!:eek::D:eek::D

To the owners with multiple subs, where are your subs located and how do you have them configured? Any suggestions for me?

TIA,

Larry

Hello Fellow Owners,

I have just received my second LFM-1+ for my dedicated 2,850 cubic foot Home Theater. First, I want to thank Scott at Outlaw Audio for extending me the (2) LFM-1+ discount after 45 days with the first sub. He didn’t have to do this and I really appreciate the great customer service at Outlaw.:)

My Wife & I are avid HD Movie watchers and both of us like sound & sound effects as we watch. The soundscape pulls us in to what we are watching and we both love the LFE channel. The only music we listen to is what is in the movie or a concert HD-DVD/Blu-ray.

I have Polk speakers set-up in a 7.0 system with the –3dB points of the various speakers between 50 to 60 dBs. The AVR I have is an Onkyo 805 and I have EQ’ed the set-up with the built-in Audyssey software and 8 points around our sofa. I have balanced all SP levels using the 805’s test tones with the RS SPL Meter to read 75 dBs and the individual subs are reading 78 dBs. Together they are producing 82 dBs.

I have the first LFM-1+ located 2-3’ behind the centerline of the sofa running parallel along the back (short) wall. I located the other sub in the front right corner of the TR running parallel along the long wall of the TR. Both subs are in max extension mode. I just watched Master & Commander [SD] and all I can say is WOW!:eek::D:eek::D

To the owners with multiple subs, where are your subs located and how do you have them configured? Any suggestions for me?

TIA,

Larry
Hi Larry, and congrats on your 2nd Plus. Mine should be here right after the holiday. Care to post a few pics? We would love to see how you have them placed. Hope all is well.

Cheers,

Phil

Hi Phil,

Will do!

Larry

Hey Phil,

Attached are my pics. I really don't have a good camera and my room is very dark. I have each sub sitting on a piece of wood until I can purchase some MDF and paint it to match the carpet.

Larry

larry,

nice set up, I love the smegal peeking out from the couch

Hey Phil,

Attached are my pics. I really don't have a good camera and my room is very dark. I have each sub sitting on a piece of wood until I can purchase some MDF and paint it to match the carpet.

Larry
Very nice Larry!!!! Things are looking good and I am sure they sound good too. Thanks for the pics. Wished they were a bit lighter. However, at least we have a better idea of how your set-up looks. You should be proud my friend.

Cheers,

Phil

larry,

nice set up, I love the smegal peeking out from the couch

Thanks littlegoat,

BTW, smegal talks to you as you walk by him. Scares the you-know-what out of the women-folk:eek::eek::eek::D

Larry

Very nice Larry!!!! Things are looking good and I am sure they sound good too. Thanks for the pics. Wished they were a bit lighter. However, at least we have a better idea of how your set-up looks. You should be proud my friend.

Cheers,

Phil

Thanks Phil,

My Daughter has a better camera and when she stops by, I'll give it another shot!

BTW, two of these bad boys sound amazing. I had 5 friends over last night and after our movie, I played songs from various concert BR & HD-DVD and all five of them were speechless.:D

Larry

Thanks Phil,

My Daughter has a better camera and when she stops by, I'll give it another shot!

BTW, two of these bad boys sound amazing. I had 5 friends over last night and after our movie, I played songs from various concert BR & HD-DVD and all five of them were speechless.:D

Larry
Oh man you are tempting me........LOL!!!! :p:p I am sure (2) does sound amazing. Looking forward to the better pics. Have yourself a safe holiday weekend my friend.

Cheers,

Phil

Hi Phil,

Same to you!!!!

Still waiting on the MIA Daughter.:D

Larry

Hi Phil,

Same to you!!!!

Still waiting on the MIA Daughter.:D

Larry
Well Larry have you found her yet? I have a daughter that is 19 and she is hard to find most of the time....LOL!!!!! :p:p Anyways, hope to be able to pick up my Plus tomorrow after work. If not, then I may not be able to get it until Wednesday or Thursday. Anyways, let me know when you can get some more pics up my friend.

Cheers,

Phil

So, I watched Jumanji yesterday, and I was just not satisfied with how my Lfm 1 plus was doing. I strongly suspected it had a lot to do with the floor it's sitting on. Living in the SW we have saltillo tile on concrete, and I felt it was causing the deep bass to muddle a bit.

I played around with my crossover settings on the receiver, and still settled on my mains set to large and crossed over at 50 hz. I have a pair of Polk monitor 10b's, and when I set them to small or cross them over at 80, I just feel I loose to much lower mid/upper bass that they do better then the sub ( Polk specs say they don't roll off till 37 hz). Although I'm sure if I was using bookshelves, I'd feel differently

Saltillo's are not a smooth level surface, and I could never get the sub completely stable to my satisfaction on all four feet, so I put a couple of 3/4 wood furring strips the length of the sub under the spikes, and that did a good job of stablizing it. I played the malestrom scene in Pirates of the Carribean, at Worlds End, (my reference scene right now) and It helped, but it still seemed a bit undefined, so I put a bath towel under the sub. That muffled it a lot, to the point that it took away most of the impact. So, I put a much smaller kitchen towel under the driver, and that is the ticket.

Now when the cannons fire, I can hear each cannon fire individually much better than before. It seems a lot less just a blended LFE scene, and now the various explosions and crashes are pretty well defined. I'm going to try a couple of more settings, along with some other stuff as damping material under the driver, but it has made a real difference.

Hi Rivrrat,

I feel your pain.:( I had the same result with the opposite problem of the LFM-1+ sinking too far down into thick carpet. I am testing out real wood, MDF and also looked at this product:

http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/SubDude/

Larry

Well Larry have you found her yet? I have a daughter that is 19 and she is hard to find most of the time....LOL!!!!! :p:p Anyways, hope to be able to pick up my Plus tomorrow after work. If not, then I may not be able to get it until Wednesday or Thursday. Anyways, let me know when you can get some more pics up my friend.

Cheers,

Phil

Hi Phil,

My Daughter is now AWL.:D

I tried again with this cheap camera and attached some more pictures. I hope you are picking up your LFM-1+ today. I am really looking forward to your comments.:)

BTW, my Wife is all about balance and symmetry. She will move stuff countless number of times to find the right balance and "Look".:eek: After watching a movie, she noticed I was a bit forlorn and asked me what is wrong. I said the TR is not "Balanced"....I need another sub in the front left corner of the room for "Balance".:D:D:D:D

Here are some pics of the TR. The room is 15' wide by 20' long and used to be our dining room!

Take care,

Larry

Look at the gramma it'll be a much better fit for our sub. I haven't ruled out getting one either.

I'll get it dialed in just right yet. I've already spent the money, now it's just time.

Hi Phil,

My Daughter is now AWL.:D

I tried again with this cheap camera and attached some more pictures. I hope you are picking up your LFM-1+ today. I am really looking forward to your comments.:)

BTW, my Wife is all about balance and symmetry. She will move stuff countless number of times to find the right balance and "Look".:eek: After watching a movie, she noticed I was a bit forlorn and asked me what is wrong. I said the TR is not "Balanced"....I need another sub in the front left corner of the room for "Balance".:D:D:D:D

Here are some pics of the TR. The room is 15' wide by 20' long and used to be our dining room!

Take care,

Larry
Hi Larry, hope you had a good safe holiday weekend. The pics are much better. I only have one question though: Does your wife have a single sister.........LOL!!!!!!! Just Kidding!!!!! :p:p Glad to hear you have a pretty kool and understanding wife.

Nice pics. I'm jelous.

My room is 12.5 x 25 x 10, and open on one end to the kitchen. If I told my wife I wanted another sub.... Well, let's just say the response wouldn't be positive.

Neither her, or my 15 yr old daughter are huge fans of being shook off the couch while watching movies, nor does my wife like feeling bass in the pit of her stomach. I doubt this sub is ever going to be pushed hard. :rolleyes:

Thanks Rivrrat...

That is a shame about your Wife & Daughter not liking to "Feel" a movie.:D

When you rent or buy Cloverfield DVD or Blu-ray, your Wife & Daughter better be out of the house when that movie kicks in the LFE channel.:eek::D:eek:

Larry

Larry, here are a few pics of my Plus that I got today. I have NOT pulled the paper off of the top just yet. I want to get it fully calibrated and properly placed first. Anyways, here they are my friend. Enjoy!!!!!!

Cheers,

Phil

Hi Phil,

First off, I need to borrow your camera.:D

Is this not, the nicest looking speaker you have ever laid eyes on? You will love this sub!

I notice your carpet and I am wondering how much clearance you will have. In my TR, I had 1/4" clearance (between the driver and the top of the carpet) at best and the bass sounded "muffled" to my ears. I placed the wood panel under it and the tight bass returned.

I have been playing some movies with great LFE. So far, my top 5 are:

-Cloverfield
-World of the Worlds
-Master & Commander
-Finding Nemo where Darla Taps the Tank (Chapter 25)
-LOTR: Return of the King

I can't wait to read your comments.

Larry

Hi Phil,

First off, I need to borrow your camera.:D

Is this not, the nicest looking speaker you have ever laid eyes on? You will love this sub!

I notice your carpet and I am wondering how much clearance you will have. In my TR, I had 1/4" clearance (between the driver and the top of the carpet) at best and the bass sounded "muffled" to my ears. I placed the wood panel under it and the tight bass returned.

I have been playing some movies with great LFE. So far, my top 5 are:

-Cloverfield
-World of the Worlds
-Master & Commander
-Finding Nemo where Darla Taps the Tank.
-LOTR: Return of the King

I can't wait to read your comments.

Larry

Hi Larry hope all is well. I am not sure how much clearance but will check it out. Mine does not sound muffled at all. Thought it was going to rip my room apart. I agree, it is a very nice looking sub. Much much better than the pics on Outlaw Audio's site would lead you to believe. Hey, I just watched "Cleaner" today and was really surprised just how good the audio was with this movie. Samual L. Jackson is my favorite actor and Ed Harris is another one of my favs. You might wanna check it out my friend. I also really like your list too btw. Well, Have a good one Larry.

Cheers,

Phil

PS: May get the sub dude down the road. Thinking about ordering another Plus!!!!!

Hi Phil,

Yes, all is well and thank you for the recommendation on "Cleaner". I have placed the movie at the top of my BB Queue.

I have tried to keep the distance to the driver = to the height of the carpet spikes. My Wife picked a deep pile carpet with an extra thick underlayment and the LFM-1+ just sunk to the bottom.:eek:

Enjoy, my good friend!

Larry

Hi Phil,

Yes, all is well and thank you for the recommendation on "Cleaner". I have placed the movie at the top of my BB Queue.

I have tried to keep the distance to the driver = to the height of the carpet spikes. My Wife picked a deep pile carpet with an extra thick underlayment and the LFM-1+ just sunk to the bottom.:eek:

Enjoy, my good friend!

Larry
Glad all is well and yw regarding the "Cleaner". Sounds like your carpet is much thicker than mine. Mine is pretty cheap to be honest. BTW, I am using a Canon570 camera just in case you were wondering. Really plan to take it easy on the Plus for a bit before I do any real critical listening. So far so good my friend.

Cheers,

Phil

I ended up using this formula in the following link to calculate how much clearance I needed and couldn't be happier. I have 3" between the bottom of the LFM-1EX and a slab of MDF and it works perfectly fine.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=9455464#post9455464

Interesting formula.

So I'm probably on the right track raising my sub a bit.

I ended up using this formula in the following link to calculate how much clearance I needed and couldn't be happier. I have 3" between the bottom of the LFM-1EX and a slab of MDF and it works perfectly fine.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=9455464#post9455464
Hey, thanks for the link. Can you post a few pics of how you layed out your MDF slab???? Just curious to see how it looks. Ever thought about using the sub-dude on top of the MDF???? I bet it would sound even better.

Cheers,

Phil

Hey, thanks for the link. Can you post a few pics of how you layed out your MDF slab???? Just curious to see how it looks. Ever thought about using the sub-dude on top of the MDF???? I bet it would sound even better.

Cheers,

Phil

I'll post some pics tonight when I get home from work. All I did was measure the bottom of the sub cabinet and then cut the MDF to the same dimensions. It looks like crap right now cause I'm using wood blocks to provide the lift. The next step is to get some dowel rod and cut it to length, drill a hole through it and attach it to the MDF and the sub (in place of the spikes) and paint it all black. I'll try to get it done this weekend and take some pics.

So I've decided to upgrade my subwoofer... For reference, this is what I'm running now:

LR: Acoustic Research Hi-Res AR5 (w/ 10" 150w subs in each tower.. don't produce a huge amount of bass)
C: Acoustic Research AR2c
S: Acoustic Research AR15 bookshelves
Sub: Acoustic Research ARPR1010 10" 150w

I live on the 2nd floor of a 4-story apartment building in the middle, so I have neighbors above below in front of and behind me. My "theater room" (aka my living room) is about 10x12x9 or 1100ish cubic feet.

I'm trying to decide between the LFM-2 and the LFM-1c. I understand that the LFM-2 should "fill" my room, and at $250 shipped (for three more days) the price is certainly right. The LFM-1c is about $410 shipped, is it worth the extra $160? Will I even be able to really appreciate the difference in my room and with my neighbors?

I'd also like to think I'll keep this sub for some time, but I imagine I'll be living in an apartment or condo building for years to come.. so no single-family detached building in my near future.

Thanks for your input!

You can always turn a bigger sub down, and the lfm 1 is going to reach a bit lower at a given volume.

It's up to you to decide if that extra 3 hz is worth 160 bucks.

I'll post some pics tonight when I get home from work. All I did was measure the bottom of the sub cabinet and then cut the MDF to the same dimensions. It looks like crap right now cause I'm using wood blocks to provide the lift. The next step is to get some dowel rod and cut it to length, drill a hole through it and attach it to the MDF and the sub (in place of the spikes) and paint it all black. I'll try to get it done this weekend and take some pics.
That would be just stellar. Looking forward to it. Will be looking at this thread from time to time. Have a great day.

Cheers,

Phil

Thanks Rivrrat...

That is a shame about your Wife & Daughter not liking to "Feel" a movie.:D

When you rent or buy Cloverfield DVD or Blu-ray, your Wife & Daughter better be out of the house when that movie kicks in the LFE channel.:eek::D:eek:

Larry


So, I watched Cloverfield again (I didn't really care for it the first time). This time though, I had the opportunity to run it through the 5.1. What a difference!!!! I don't watch movies at reference levels, but the Lfm 1 plus just loping along still provided a lot of sonic impact. a lot of rumble, a lot of couch vibration, some feeling the bass in your innards. My 15 yr old daughter (her dvd) came in and actually smiled a bit for the brief time she watched.

I'll have to have my wife watch it again and see what she thinks now. ;)

Awesome, Rivrrat, Awesome.:D:D

I can't wait for the BR release!

Larry

So, I watched Cloverfield again (I didn't really care for it the first time). This time though, I had the opportunity to run it through the 5.1. What a difference!!!! I don't watch movies at reference levels, but the Lfm 1 plus just loping along still provided a lot of sonic impact. a lot of rumble, a lot of couch vibration, some feeling the bass in your innards. My 15 yr old daughter (her dvd) came in and actually smiled a bit for the brief time she watched.

I'll have to have my wife watch it again and see what she thinks now. ;)
Hey, did you post this over at audioholics too? Thought, I just read it over there. This is speakerman39 over at audioholics...........LOL!!!!! :cool::cool: I think I seen this on the Polk forum as well. Am I correct? I am polkphil38 over there.........LOLl!!!!! I just ordered my second LFM-1Plus today. Am so excited. Have a great weekend.

Cheers,

Phil

Awesome, Rivrrat, Awesome.:D:D

I can't wait for the BR release!

Larry
Hey Larry, I ordered a second Plus just today. Gosh, this is so exciting. I ma broke for sure now but it will be worth it in the end. Kinda scarry thinking what dual Pluses will do in such a small room. Hope all is well my friend.

Cheers,

Phil

Hi Phil,

This is GREAT News my Friend!:eek::D:eek:

Yes, it is scary what two of these bad boys are going to do to your room, house and neighborhood.:D Cloverfield will be insane:eek: at your place.

Looking so forward to your thoughts after number two arrives. Please let me know how you configure each sub. BTW, that is what I'm working on this weekend. I'll post my thoughts next week.

Take care Phil,

Larry

Hi Phil,

This is GREAT News my Friend!:eek::D:eek:

Yes, it is scary what two of these bad boys are going to do to your room, house and neighborhood.:D Cloverfield will be insane:eek: at your place.

Looking so forward to your thoughts after number two arrives. Please let me know how you configure each sub. BTW, that is what I'm working on this weekend. I'll post my thoughts next week.

Take care Phil,

Larry
Thanks once again Larry. Looking forward to hearing your thoughts as well. Unfortunately, I have to more or less take my room apart and start over as I have a new TV stand. Plan on doing that on Sunday depending on all of my other obligations. Work, is taking up a good bit of my time as usual. However, when it is all said and done perhaps we can compare some notes. Have a great weekend my friend. God Bless.

Cheers,

Phil

Unfortunately, I have to more or less take my room apart and start over

Hi Phil,

I do this on a monthly basis.:D This drives my Wife nuts; she now calls me "Lexus" (The constant pursuit of perfection);)

Larry

Relentless. Guilty here too.

Hi Phil,

I do this on a monthly basis.:D This drives my Wife nuts; she now calls me "Lexus" (The constant pursuit of perfection);)

Larry
Kinda feels like that here too. However, hope to get it done and over with asap. Just have to wait and see. Have a good weekend.

Cheers,

Phil

These look like great subs, wish I had gone this way.

The specs for the EX are incredible 16Hz at -2dB. Data sheet says "subject to room conditions....."

Anyone know the conditions under which this spec was measured?

Hey, did you post this over at audioholics too? Thought, I just read it over there. This is speakerman39 over at audioholics...........LOL!!!!! :cool::cool: I think I seen this on the Polk forum as well. Am I correct? I am polkphil38 over there.........LOLl!!!!! I just ordered my second LFM-1Plus today. Am so excited. Have a great weekend.

Cheers,

Phil

Nope, I don't post on Audioholics. I post on Polk, but I haven't posted about watching Cloverfield over there.

Must be my evil twin.:confused:

Hi Phil,

I do this on a monthly basis.:D This drives my Wife nuts; she now calls me "Lexus" (The constant pursuit of perfection);)

Larry

I thought "kaizen" was the "relentless quest for a better way...the daily pursuit of perfection".

Nope, I don't post on Audioholics. I post on Polk, but I haven't posted about watching Cloverfield over there.

Must be my evil twin.:confused:
Oh well my bad. It is nice to meet you anyways. Just thought I seen you on another forum. Maybe it was on the Polk forum as I post there some. Have yourself a good weekend.

Cheers,

Phil

I thought "kaizen" was the "relentless quest for a better way...the daily pursuit of perfection".

Hi weverb,

Kaizen..whoa, I don't know about that.:confused:

My Wife watches too much TV and has Lexus' commercials committed to memory. She came up with that line a couple of days ago.

I like Kaizen, I'll lay that one on her the next time she complains about my endless pursuit of perfection.:D

Larry

Relentless. Guilty here too.

Thanks Mia & Lana's dad!

It's nice to know I'm not the only one.:D

Larry

Hi weverb,

Kaizen..whoa, I don't know about that.:confused:

My Wife watches too much TV and has Lexus' commercials committed to memory. She came up with that line a couple of days ago.

I like Kaizen, I'll lay that one her the next time she complains about my endless pursuit of perfection.:D

Larry

:D My wife wants to have a vanity plate on her car that says "kaizen".

Since I just bought some Outlaw products, I figure I ought to add myself to the thread...

I just purchased 3 M-2200's for my front 3 speakers (Klipsch RF-62's and RC-62) and am still waiting to try them out. I receive my receiver (VSX-92TXH) on Wednesday, so I'll hook it all up then... just to pack it all up a day later as the movers are coming to pack everything else up. We'll be moving into a new house another state over and I've been given the nod to finish the basement the way I want. I'll have cool pics someday! :-)

Just bought an LFM-2! At $199 I figured it was just too good a deal to pass up, and I wanted to buy it before the sale ended.

Additionally, I doubt I'll ever be able to realistically test its limits in my apartment and future condo situation, let alone that of the LFM-1c or higher!

I'll update with my thoughts once the sub gets here.

Hi nsdjoe,

Welcome. I am looking forward to your thoughts.

Enjoy your new sub!

Larry

Nevermind found the spike screws in the bottom of the box :)

Hi Imatk,

There should be 4 threaded inserts included with your sub. From my memory, they were located in one of the styrofoam rails and I think they were covered with tape.
I'll go look at my shipping carton.

Larry

Hi Imatk,

Ok, I just looked at my shipping carton. The same long, thin white box that contained your spikes and discs should have the 4 threaded posts that screw into the spikes and then the spikes screw into the threaded hole in each corner of the LFM.

Larry

Hi Imatk,

Ok, I just looked at my shipping carton. The same long, thin white box that contained your spikes and discs should have the 4 threaded posts that screw into the spikes and then the spikes screw into the threaded hole in each corner of the LFM.

Larry
Hi Larry, thought I would post a few pics that may help. Hope you don't mind my friend.

Cheers,

Phil

Phil, You Are The Man!:D

Larry

Phil, You Are The Man!:D

Larry
I wish.........LOL!!!!! When I was a little boy, my Dad would always say Conway Twitty "was the man". So, every time I hear that saying "you are the man" I can NOT help but to think about Conway Twitty. Of course, the operative word now is "was" since he has since passed. But, do appreciate your level of support Larry. Hope all is well my friend.

Cheers,

Phil

Thanks guys, I found them... they somehow got to the bottom of the box.

Hi Larry, thought I would post a few pics that may help. Hope you don't mind my friend.

Cheers,

Phil

Nice pics Phil. Hey, I read a few posts back that LFM-1 Plus #2 should be arriving soon :D. Keep us updated, and congrats - that tiny room is going to be one big buttkicker!

Stephen

BTW, keep that picture-taking tradition going - I have to see that tiny room with two subs ;)

Well I popped in Master and Commander after setting up my EX last night.

Went through the auto setp with my Pioneer 92 Elite. It had me set the woofer on 2.5 for volume. I thought, "Man this is going way low."

Ummm... all I can say is holy crap!

I have it set on "Max Output" as I kind of wanted to have that mid-bass jolt as well. And boy does it jolt!

My wife says, "It isn't going to shake the house apart is it?"

I said no, but in retrospect... I don't know. Could it damage the house? :)

I'm guessing no since it's in a 19' x 15' room. But the floor and my chest sure were rumbling hehe.

I do have a question though. I didn't notice the "sound" of the subwoofer as much as I felt it. Is this the way it should be? Almost like my mains and my other speakers were taking care of much of the bass. Although maybe it's just because it's integrated well and I don't notice it above all the other speakers... don't know.

I'm running Aperion Intimus 6T towers for my mains and Aperion all the way around for the two surrounds and the center channel.

Nice pics Phil. Hey, I read a few posts back that LFM-1 Plus #2 should be arriving soon :D. Keep us updated, and congrats - that tiny room is going to be one big buttkicker!

Stephen

BTW, keep that picture-taking tradition going - I have to see that tiny room with two subs ;)
Stephan, I hope to have my second LFM-1Plus very soon. I will be more than happy to take some more pics. However, I need to put in my new tv stand and more or less re-install everything. Might as well wait till the other Plus gets here and just do it all at the same time. That way, I won't have to recalibrate again. Setting up my tri-pod over and over again can get quite boring. Hope to have it all done w/in the next (2) weeks.

Cheers,

Phil

Well I popped in Master and Commander after setting up my EX last night.

Went through the auto setp with my Pioneer 92 Elite. It had me set the woofer on 2.5 for volume. I thought, "Man this is going way low."

Ummm... all I can say is holy crap!

I have it set on "Max Output" as I kind of wanted to have that mid-bass jolt as well. And boy does it jolt!

My wife says, "It isn't going to shake the house apart is it?"

I said no, but in retrospect... I don't know. Could it damage the house? :)

I'm guessing no since it's in a 19' x 15' room. But the floor and my chest sure were rumbling hehe.

I do have a question though. I didn't notice the "sound" of the subwoofer as much as I felt it. Is this the way it should be? Almost like my mains and my other speakers were taking care of much of the bass. Although maybe it's just because it's integrated well and I don't notice it above all the other speakers... don't know.

I'm running Aperion Intimus 6T towers for my mains and Aperion all the way around for the two surrounds and the center channel.
Hey, great write-up. Really enjoyed reading your initial impressions. The reason you are feeling the bass more than hearing is because real low bass is more felt than heard. If you are in MO mode, the EX is easily reaching down to the low 20's. If you put it in ME mode and plug one port it will easily go into the mid teens. :eek::eek: Glad you are enjoying your EX. Can you snap a few pics?

Cheers,

Phil

Stephan, I hope to have my second LFM-1Plus very soon. I will be more than happy to take some more pics. However, I need to put in my new tv stand and more or less re-install everything. Might as well wait till the other Plus gets here and just do it all at the same time. That way, I won't have to recalibrate again. Setting up my tri-pod over and over again can get quite boring. Hope to have it all done w/in the next (2) weeks.

Cheers,

Phil

I feel ya, man. I just rearranged my room yesterday, completely reorienting my entire setup. What a PITA! Had to rerun wires, remount speakers, etc. Fortunately I think the change was worth the hassle. Anyway, I completely understand you wanting to get things in a more finalized state before calibrating and snapping pictures. Hope it all goes smoothly.

Thanks man, I will definitely take some shots when I get home :)

Should I run it in the Bass Extension mode instead?

I figured since I don't have a mid-bass woofer other than my mains that the Max Output was the way to go.

I feel ya, man. I just rearranged my room yesterday, completely reorienting my entire setup. What a PITA! Had to rerun wires, remount speakers, etc. Fortunately I think the change was worth the hassle. Anyway, I completely understand you wanting to get things in a more finalized state before calibrating and snapping pictures. Hope it all goes smoothly.
Too bad you don't live closer as I would let you rearrange mine. :p:p Yeah, when I get the time my plan is to do just that. Right now I have a real problem-it is called "lead in my a$$ syndrome".........LOL!!!!! :eek::eek: Perhaps, I will get more motivated when my second Plus arrives. Thanks for the kind words. Good luck to you as well my friend.

Cheers,

Phil

Thanks man, I will definitely take some shots when I get home :)

Should I run it in the Bass Extension mode instead?

I figured since I don't have a mid-bass woofer other than my mains that the Max Output was the way to go.
I run my ONLY in MO mode as my preference is on musical performance. Getting down to the low 20's is plenty low enough for me. If, you want to go into the subsonics, then by all means try the ME mode and decide for yourself. I prefer the extra midbass punch where most of the musical action is at. Once you decide what works best for YOU please let us all know. Looking forward to some pics. Have a good day.

Cheers,

Phil

Thanks man, I will definitely take some shots when I get home :)

Should I run it in the Bass Extension mode instead?

I figured since I don't have a mid-bass woofer other than my mains that the Max Output was the way to go.

I kept mine in MO until I picked up a MBM-12...... Start saving now for the MBM. It will take your EX to another level. ME that is!

How much power do you have going to mains? What are they?

Go to page 7 and you will see pix of my set-up.

Thanks man, I will definitely take some shots when I get home :)

Should I run it in the Bass Extension mode instead?

I figured since I don't have a mid-bass woofer other than my mains that the Max Output was the way to go.

Hi Imatk,

Welcome to the Outlaw Owners Thread.:)

Before I rec'd my second LFM-1+, I ran in MO mode after experimenting with ME. I watch 100% movies with an occasional concert HD-DVD / BR.

Now that I have two, I'm in ME on both with plenty of output.:eek:

That being said, plug one port and rent Cloverfield on DVD or BR and get ready for 1 hour of none stop LFE.;)

Looking forward to the pics,

Larry

Two LFM-1+! You lucky man. I have debated about adding a second MBM or EX. I think my wife would kill me right now.

Two LFM-1+! You lucky man. I have debated about adding a second MBM or EX. I think my wife would kill me right now.
This is why I don't have a wife. Just can't deal with a WAF. Have things MY way and that is how they will stay. No pun intended btw. :p:p

Cheers,

Phil

Two LFM-1+! You lucky man. I have debated about adding a second MBM or EX. I think my wife would kill me right now.

weverb, Stimulus Check, man, Stimulus Check:D

My 1/2 spent on another LFM-1+ & she used her money to buy clothes.:eek:
Just tryin' to be good Americans.:)

Larry

weverb, Stimulus Check, man, Stimulus Check:D

My 1/2 spent on another LFM-1+ & she used her money to buy clothes.:eek:
Just tryin' to be good Americans.:)

Larry

:D

I just ordered an lfm-1 plus yesterday. I can't seem to find whether or not they are in stock right now. If not, how long is the wait for one? Thanks in advance.

I just ordered an lfm-1 plus yesterday. I can't seem to find whether or not they are in stock right now. If not, how long is the wait for one? Thanks in advance.
Hi Dave. It takes about 4 business days depending on where you are. Just give Outlaw a call and they will be more than happy to answer your questions. Congrats on your purchase!!!!!

Cheers,

Phil

Thanks freak, I can't wait! So, are you saying that the plus is in stock? That's my problem. I don't know if they're in stock at the moment, and am trying to find out how long my wait will be if they are not in stock. I haven't gotten a shipping confirmation yet, due to the fact that I ordered online on Friday afternoon. So if they are in stock, I'm sure it's just a matter of Outlaw being too busy, and not being able to process my order until monday maybe. I'll call them on Monday anyway. Just seeing if anybody knew. Thanks.

FWIW, when i ordered mine last month, I never got a shipping confimation either.

I ordered it on a Fri afternoon, and it was delivered the next Wed morning.

Thanks freak, I can't wait! So, are you saying that the plus is in stock? That's my problem. I don't know if they're in stock at the moment, and am trying to find out how long my wait will be if they are not in stock. I haven't gotten a shipping confirmation yet, due to the fact that I ordered online on Friday afternoon. So if they are in stock, I'm sure it's just a matter of Outlaw being too busy, and not being able to process my order until monday maybe. I'll call them on Monday anyway. Just seeing if anybody knew. Thanks.
No, that is not what I am saying. But, to answer your question I am sure they are in stock. No worries my friend. Just give them a call in the morning and ask. You should receive your Plus in about 4-5 business days depending on where you are located. Jennifer or Scott will be glad to answer all of your questions. Be sure to keep us posted.

Cheers,

Phil

FWIW, when i ordered mine last month, I never got a shipping confimation either.

I ordered it on a Fri afternoon, and it was delivered the next Wed morning.
I have now ordered (2) Pluses and have gotten shipping confirmation both times. Not sure what happened in your case but something must had. My second Plus is due to be delivered Wednesday June 11th, 2008. I can't wait!!!!!

Cheers,

Phil

Sweet! Thanks fellas. That settles the nerves a bit. I'm just so excited about hearing and feeling this thing. Hopefully I'll see it here within a couple of days or so.

Here are the results of my LFM-1EX lifting project. I couldn't find a long enough 6mm bolt to use the dowel rod so I cut pieces of 2x4 and used the dimple disc and spikes for the lift. The blocks are sitting on top of a piece of MDF. It looks decent and it has some breathing room.

Here are the results of my LFM-1EX lifting project. I couldn't find a long enough 6mm bolt to use the dowel rod so I cut pieces of 2x4 and used the dimple disc and spikes for the lift. The blocks are sitting on top of a piece of MDF. It looks decent and it has some breathing room.
Shoot yeah that looks very good. I am not very good with wood. As such, probably will just order me (2) of the Grammas. Hope to be doing this very soon too. Thanks for the pics.

Cheers,

Phil

Here are the results of my LFM-1EX lifting project. I couldn't find a long enough 6mm bolt to use the dowel rod so I cut pieces of 2x4 and used the dimple disc and spikes for the lift. The blocks are sitting on top of a piece of MDF. It looks decent and it has some breathing room.

Hi roadroach357,

Very, very nice! You look to have very similar carpet as what is in my TR and I really like your idea. Thank you for taking the time to post your pics.

Larry

Here are the results of my LFM-1EX lifting project. I couldn't find a long enough 6mm bolt to use the dowel rod so I cut pieces of 2x4 and used the dimple disc and spikes for the lift. The blocks are sitting on top of a piece of MDF. It looks decent and it has some breathing room.

Was that nesasary? I'm close to pulling the trigger on one of those

Was that nesasary? I'm close to pulling the trigger on one of those

It was necessary to keep the woofer from hitting the carpet. I have deep pile carpet and I had nearly zero clearance so I decided to lift it up.

Shoot yeah that looks very good. I am not very good with wood. As such, probably will just order me (2) of the Grammas. Hope to be doing this very soon too. Thanks for the pics.

Cheers,

Phil

Hi roadroach357,

Very, very nice! You look to have very similar carpet as what is in my TR and I really like your idea. Thank you for taking the time to post your pics.

Larry

Thanks for the compliments guys. I really wish I could have found the right bolt to use dowel rod on each corner but it didn't work out. I think that bolting the sub to the MDF would have reduced vibrations and further isolated it from the floor. But then again, I'm no expert...

OT for a quick sec: If you have tenants living below you, does a down firing sub cause them more grief than front firing?

Got my LFM-2 today! Initial impressions are very positive, especially in light of the sale price of $199! Popped in Cloverfield, played it at about -15dB and had to turn it down! There was a surprising amount of tangible bass shaking the couch.

Very pleased so far!

Hello all:

After trying another brand, and listening to some others, I finally ordered a LFM-2 while it was on sale. I set it up this past weekend, and I have to say that I couldn't be more pleased!

My rig prior to the LFM-2:
- Onkyo SR705
- Polk R150s for mains (mounted as satellites)
- Polk RM101s for surrounds
- Either a Polk CSR or Klipsch RC-10. I haven't decided which one to stay with; CSR with better low-mid range, RC-10 better high end, more clarity as center channel for movies (due, I think to Klipsch's "tapered array" technology).
- Polk PSW10 for sub.

HT room:
- partially enclosed 13'x14'x8' in finished basement. Wall where sub (and center speaker) is located is only a partial, where the right side opens up due to a stairway that goes upstairs behind the wall. The sub is positioned approximately 2-3 inches from the wall. The left corner of the room has a large opening that opens to a small game room. Porcelain tile floors, but area rug covers 75% of HT room. Subwoofer sits on the tile.


Strangely enough, even though the Polk PSW10 is only 100 watts max, it always sounded "musical", and had decent bass extension. My only real complaint was that it exhibited very pronounced port noise on LFEs during movies. A good example is the LOTR, Return of the King, during the confrontation with Saruman. Especially when they leave from there to go back to Rohan. The bass note from the "Rohan theme" that plays at that point would always make the little PSW10 distort badly, with pronounced port "chuffing".

So I was looking something that would still sound musical, and that could also handle a deeper extension and eliminate port noise.

The LFM-2 delivers this in spades. The above mentioned scene from LOTR is amazing when that bass note hits (not to mention Treebeard's voice!). Watching the battle scenes in LOTR is now like a new experience. The bass extension on this sub is really all that I need. I can't imagine needing to go any lower (especially since I don't usually spend time listening to pipe organ performances).

I actually find that as the LFM-2 breaks in, I have to keep turning the sub level down.

As was mentioned in the "Secrets" review from 2006, I found that the 40-65 Hz range was just a little weak with a flat EQ setting. Actually, not really so much weak as overwhelmed slightly by the 25Hz range. So I bumpled my EQ on the Onkyo SR705 as follows:

- 25 Hz = 0dB
- 40 Hz = +2 dB
- 63 Hz = +2 dB
- 100 Hz = +1 dB
- 160 Hz = 0

Now when I listen to music from mixed sources (contemporary, gospel, jazz, etc) the bass mix is perfect, with well articulated and tight bass notes from low B on up (I happen to be an electric bass player).

LFEs and bass channels on movies are just spectacular. I'm amazed that duing explosions, etc, it seems as though the concrete floor in the basement actually vibrates. And the music during movies is also exceptional.

Another benefit is that the bass response is more "even" thoughout the room. This may be because of the down firing port and driver. The Polk PSW10 was front firing on both accounts, and this seemed to produce a "sweet spot" at the opposite wall where the seating is located. If you got up from the seat, the bass response and extension dropped off noticeably. With the LFM-2, this is much improved, even with the LFM-2 in the exact same location that the PSW10 occupied.

I would heartily recommend this sub to anyone who is looking for a fantastic deal on a quality product. It seems as though this sub could easily handle a room much larger than mine. Right now I have my sub-out level from the Onkyo set at -2 dB, and the LFM-2 level not quite halfway up. My overall system volume for movies if usually around -10 dB from reference.

I've got the LFM-2 internal crossover bypassed, and handle all the crossovers at the Onkyo. I've got my mains and center at 90 Hz, my rear surrounds at 100 Hz. Phase is at 0. I use the autosense, and it works at least as well as the Polk sub.

The finish is just beautiful on the LFM-2. It is easily the best looking sub that I've seen. That piece of black plexiglass on top really contrasts nicely with the painted finish of the cabinet. Even the Outlaw emblem on the front is the perfect size, not too large and garish, but still visible.

My only complaint at all was the power cord. It doesn't fit snugly into the recepticle on the back of the unit. However, I easily fixed this by wrapping a few turns of black electrical tape around the outside of the plug prior to inserting it into the recepticle on the sub. Now the plug fits snugly into the recepticle.

I bought this on the recent sale for $199. With the shipping it came to $248. This is truly an exceptional value.

Best wishes,

Welcome to the family Yardman.

That's great to hear about the LFM-2. I plan on buying one for my Dad for fathers day, and he has about the same size room as you. My plus should be here on thursday. I can't wait! Especially to see the expression on my wifes face when she sees the box :eek:

Thanks for the compliments guys. I really wish I could have found the right bolt to use dowel rod on each corner but it didn't work out. I think that bolting the sub to the MDF would have reduced vibrations and further isolated it from the floor. But then again, I'm no expert...
You are quite welcome. Keep up the good work.

Cheers,

Phil

I am interested in lfm-1 ex. Will this sub be an upgrade from my dual bic h-100's. How is the mid-bass on the outlaw subs.

Hello peeps. Got my second Plus this morning. :):) I have recently re-done my ht room so I thought I would post a few pics. Once again, I will leave the paper on the top of my Pluses until I get them properly placed. Just want to take my time and experiment a bit first. Enjoy!!!!!!!

Cheers,

Phil

Hello my good friend Phil,

I am glad you don't have any pictures on your walls, with two LFM's, nothing would stay up when you play a monster LFE movie.:D

Where are you going to place the second sub?

Larry

Hello my good friend Phil,

I am glad you don't have any pictures on your walls, with two LFM's, nothing would stay up when you play a monster LFE movie.:D

Where are you going to place the second sub?

Larry
Hey Larry. Going to place it right here for now. I may put both up front-one in each corner OR put both behind my love-seat. Just going to take my time and experiment around some. Here is where the other is. The other pic is where I may put my second LFM-1Plus as opposed to being behind my love-seat.

Cheers,

Phil

Hi Phil,

All I have to say is WOW. I know you are a music guy first and HT guy second, but your place is going to rock.:eek: You will be able to feel movies like nobody's business!

Please let all of us know what tweaking you end up doing!

I might be able to hear you in Cincinnati.:D

Larry

Hi Phil,

All I have to say is WOW. I know you are a music guy first and HT guy second, but your place is going to rock.:eek: You will be able to feel movies like nobody's business!

Please let all of us know what tweaking you end up doing!

I might be able to hear you in Cincinnati.:D

Larry
LOL........thanks Larry. The only tweaking I am going to do is experiment w/placement. Maybe have both LFM-1Pluses up front in each corner or both behind my love-seat. Right now, there is one in the upper right corner and the other behind my love-seat. Still evaluating that before trying a different location. Once I determine the best configuration, I will then run YPAO again with the eq set to flat. Still yet, I will check very precisely with my RS SPL meter. Lastly, use my Rives Test CDII to check and see if there are any major problem areas. Perhaps at this point, I can go into manual set-up and do some very fine tuning to my liking. I also plan on ordering (2) Grammas for my new subs. Hopefully, this will get to sounding the way I like it. Only time will tell.

Cheers,

Phil

Just wanted to say I ordered an LFM-2 this morning and received a tracking number this evening. Can't wait till next tuesday. :)

BTW, this will be replacing a RCA 8" 100w rumbler that came in a speaker 6-pack 5 long years ago. :):)

Phil,

That room is awesome! I hadn't seen your room before, and while I knew it was small, I still never imagined just how tiny it really is. I still can't believe you have TWO LFM-1 Pluses in there! I might have to add a couple more subs to my room now :D. Really though, music and HT should be nothing short of amazing in there. Great setup. BTW, if you like, I can snap a few pix of my setup and send em to you - just let me know. Oh yeah, one more thing. We might need to see some "after" pix of that room once you've watched a bass-heavy scene :D.

Phil, you are insane! I thought my room was pretty small for 1 plus! I just received my plus yesterday, and am amazed. I always thought my Velo was pretty damn good, but I had no idea what I was missing out on. This thing makes the Velo sound like a one note boomer in comparison. I watched Gladiator last night, and it was like watching the movie for the first time all over again. The Blue Man Group on DVD-A is pretty cool too. I heard and felt more notes than usual with the Plus. This thing is great! It's not even dialed in yet either! Wow. It's good to with the Outlaws now.

Just wanted to say I ordered an LFM-2 this morning and received a tracking number this evening. Can't wait till next tuesday. :)

BTW, this will be replacing a RCA 8" 100w rumbler that came in a speaker 6-pack 5 long years ago. :):)

Hi Joe741,

Welcome to The Outlaws!:)

Please let us know your thoughts.

Larry

Phil, you are insane! I thought my room was pretty small for 1 plus! I just received my plus yesterday, and am amazed. I always thought my Velo was pretty damn good, but I had no idea what I was missing out on. This thing makes the Velo sound like a one note boomer in comparison. I watched Gladiator last night, and it was like watching the movie for the first time all over again. The Blue Man Group on DVD-A is pretty cool too. I heard and felt more notes than usual with the Plus. This thing is great! It's not even dialed in yet either! Wow. It's good to with the Outlaws now.

Hi Twisted Dave,

Thanks for your comments and it is good to have you here!

Gladiator is one fine experience and one of my top ten demo movies. Lately, I have been showing the opening battle scene from Master & Commander.:eek: Give it a try!

Larry

Just wanted to say I ordered an LFM-2 this morning and received a tracking number this evening. Can't wait till next tuesday. :)

BTW, this will be replacing a RCA 8" 100w rumbler that came in a speaker 6-pack 5 long years ago. :):)
Oh Joe let me just say you are going to be shocked trust me on that one. This is a huge step-up for you. Be sure to let us know what your initial impressions are. Perhaps, you can snap a few pics too. Welcome to the jungle-no wait that is a song :eek::eek: -I mean Outlaw family.

Cheers,

Phil

Phil,

That room is awesome! I hadn't seen your room before, and while I knew it was small, I still never imagined just how tiny it really is. I still can't believe you have TWO LFM-1 Pluses in there! I might have to add a couple more subs to my room now :D. Really though, music and HT should be nothing short of amazing in there. Great setup. BTW, if you like, I can snap a few pix of my setup and send em to you - just let me know. Oh yeah, one more thing. We might need to see some "after" pix of that room once you've watched a bass-heavy scene :D.
Thanks for the comments. Right now, the volume is on 4 and the receiver level is just a bit over half-so there is plenty of room for more output. However, have to be mindful of my neighbors and such. No need in me paying more fines because locally we have a noise ordinance. Sure, please send me some pics or just post them here. I know you have the PB10-NSD's but nothing wrong w/sharing my friend. Sometimes, pics allow some of us to learn right? Have a good day.

Cheers,

Phil

Phil, you are insane! I thought my room was pretty small for 1 plus! I just received my plus yesterday, and am amazed. I always thought my Velo was pretty damn good, but I had no idea what I was missing out on. This thing makes the Velo sound like a one note boomer in comparison. I watched Gladiator last night, and it was like watching the movie for the first time all over again. The Blue Man Group on DVD-A is pretty cool too. I heard and felt more notes than usual with the Plus. This thing is great! It's not even dialed in yet either! Wow. It's good to with the Outlaws now.
Hey Dave, glad you are liking your Plus. Funny that you mention I must be insane as my boss says I am "SICK". The reason being, I spend almost all of my money on this great hobby. :eek::eek: I guess at times, it is nice being single and living alone. However, at times it can be quite hard too. Life is about trade-offs and as such I am always striving to move forward in this hobby. Personally, I believe the thrill comes in the chase whereas the rewards manifests by what is learned along the way to sonic nirvana. Never forget the friends you make along the way too. BTW, the Blue Man Group is awesome to say the least. Gladiator also is one great movie. Russell Crowe is at his best in that one. Excellent choice!!!!!!

Cheers,

Phil

Yeah, those catapults in Gladiator are very cool with a good sub. What kinds of settings are you guys using? Like crossover, sub volume, and phase switch. I don't have a whole lot of experience setting up a sub. I can't tell a whole lot difference when flipping the phase. Should there be a big difference? I think I've got it sounding pretty good today, but I know it's not perfect by any means. Now I just need to decide which output setting I like best. Max is sounding pretty good at the moment.

Woohoo I just ordered am outlaw lfm-1 ex. I originally ordered an mfw-15 but canceled it due to backorders. Besides I think at normal listening levels I probably wouldn't be able to distinguish between the two. I hardly ever listen to near reference levels anyway. Can't wait.

Hello irvin,

Welcome to the Outlaws! Please let all of us know what you think!

Larry

Yeah, those catapults in Gladiator are very cool with a good sub. What kinds of settings are you guys using? Like crossover, sub volume, and phase switch. I don't have a whole lot of experience setting up a sub. I can't tell a whole lot difference when flipping the phase. Should there be a big difference? I think I've got it sounding pretty good today, but I know it's not perfect by any means. Now I just need to decide which output setting I like best. Max is sounding pretty good at the moment.

Hi Twisted Dave,

BTW, great name!:)

Here are my settings for (2) LFM-1+:

Max Output Mode.
Phase is set to "0" on rear sub & "180" on front sub.
Crossover is turned off at the subs & set for 80Hz on my AVR.
AVR's LPF is set to 120Hz.
AVR's trim level is -5dB.
Volume is set to "3" on both subs.
Each sub individually produces 78dB on RS Meter. (AVR's Test Tone)
Together they produce about 82dB on RS Meter. (AVR's Test Tone)

Larry

Oh Joe let me just say you are going to be shocked trust me on that one. This is a huge step-up for you. Be sure to let us know what your initial impressions are. Perhaps, you can snap a few pics too. Welcome to the jungle-no wait that is a song :eek::eek: -I mean Outlaw family.

Cheers,

Phil

Won't have to wait as long as I thought, FedEx now says this Saturday. :D

Camera's broke but I'll post my impressions.

Hi Twisted Dave,

BTW, great name!:)

Here are my settings for (2) LFM-1+:

Max Output Mode.
Phase is set to "0" on rear sub & "180" on front sub.
Crossover is turned off at the subs & set for 80Hz on my AVR.
AVR's LPF is set to 120Hz.
AVR's trim level is -5dB.
Volume is set to "3" on both subs.
Each sub individually produces 78dB on RS Meter. (AVR's Test Tone)
Together they produce about 82dB on RS Meter. (AVR's Test Tone)

Larry

Thanks Larry! Good stuff. Pretty similar to mine for the most part. So I might be on the right track for now. I don't think I'll ever get it right, but it's fun trying lol

Yeah, those catapults in Gladiator are very cool with a good sub. What kinds of settings are you guys using? Like crossover, sub volume, and phase switch. I don't have a whole lot of experience setting up a sub. I can't tell a whole lot difference when flipping the phase. Should there be a big difference? I think I've got it sounding pretty good today, but I know it's not perfect by any means. Now I just need to decide which output setting I like best. Max is sounding pretty good at the moment.
Have both of my Pluses set on volume 4 with level on my receiver a bit over half. I always run mine in MO mode meaning no ports plugged. My X-over is set to 80 Hz. Hope this helps.

Cheers,

Phil

Won't have to wait as long as I thought, FedEx now says this Saturday. :D

Camera's broke but I'll post my impressions.
That will be fine. Looking forward to it.

Cheers,

Phil

Have both of my Pluses set on volume 4

Hi Phil,

See, I am going to hear you in Cincinnati.:eek:

LOL Phil,:p your two are set louder than my two in a wee bit larger room than your very cool, personal HT set-up.:cool:

I hope you are doing well, my friend,

Larry

Hi Phil,

See, I am going to hear you in Cincinnati.:eek:

LOL Phil,:p your two are set louder than my two in a wee bit larger room than your very cool, personal HT set-up.:cool:

I hope you are doing well, my friend,

Larry
Hi Larry I am doing well thank you for asking. Guess my volume is up a bit louder than yours, but you also have your X-over setting at 125 Hz whereas mine is at 80 Hz. If, my X-over point was higher, then chances are I would have to turn them down some. Remember, bass is non-directional BUT the higher the X-over point the more localized it becomes and thus becomes more directional. However, every room is different and as such yours may benefit from a higher X-over point. Hope you have had a good day my friend. Have a great weekend as well.

Cheers,

Phil

Hi Phil,

I have my x-over set at 80Hz on my AVR and have my LPF set for 120Hz. The LPF just applies to the LFE channel, right?

I have experimented with the x-over lower towards my speaker's -3 dB point but I have never set it higher than 80Hz. I am still trying to dial in the two subs!

Take care and have a great weekend, too!

Larry

Hi Phil,

I have my x-over set at 80Hz on my AVR and have my LPF set for 120Hz. The LPF just applies to the LFE channel, right?

I have experimented with the x-over lower towards my speaker's -3 dB point but I have never set it higher than 80Hz. I am still trying to dial in the two subs!

Take care and have a great weekend, too!

Larry
Well, I own the Yammie 663 receiver which has dual LFE outputs. All of my speakers are set to "small" and my X-over is set to 80 Hz. The X-over position on my Pluses are turned all the way up. The switch on the back is set to by-pass/off. That means my 663 is doing the filtering. As such, all speakers set to small will only play 80 Hz and up whereas the LFE will play 80 Hz and down. Hence, I run the Pluses in MAX output mode meaning no ports plugged. I am easily getting extension to the mid 20's. I will NEVER play my Pluses in Max Extension mode. The reason being, I prefer the extra output in the midbass realm where most of the musical action is at. Furthermore, the extension of 25 Hz or so is plenty low enough for me when watching a movie.

It is also my understanding that all speakers set to SMALL will be filtered at whatever X-over point you select. As expected, all speakers set to LARGE will not be filtered but will receive a full-range signal instead. It also depends on how you have your system set-up. My X-over point of 80 Hz seems to blend my set-up quite well. Hope this helps Larry. Have a great weekend my friend.

Cheers,

Phil

Hi all, first post and just wanted to say I ordered a Plus after reading this thread. I don't have my HT room set up yet but, the sub showed up today and I couldn't help but hook it up and play with it a little. I was impressed at how well it did with some of the stuff I threw at it. I can't wait to get everything set up and get some real movie time with this thing. I'm certain that I won't be disappointed in the performance of this sub. I'll post back in a week or two once I have time to set everything up and get it all dialed in.

Thanks for all the great info! :D

Case

Hey guys. I am trying to decide between the Plus and the EX. My Graet room is 5600 cubic feet with 10' ceilings and is 1/2 open to the kitchen and down the foyer with two openings in the foyer wall. My house is all 18 " ceramic tile directly on top of the concrete slab. Our sitting has a sectional that as you look at it goes into the left corner and down 5'. Our sitting are is on top of a 12'x12' carpeted area.
Which of these two subs do you think will work better for 50/50 ht/music. I am running a Nad T755 receiver which has 2 sub outs and audyssey eq set up. I know 2 of eather one would be great but the WIF won't go for that.
Aslo will it do best if mounted in the corner or can I set it up right next to the couch and @ 1' fro the wall?
Your experiences and input are appreciated.

Hi all, first post and just wanted to say I ordered a Plus after reading this thread. I don't have my HT room set up yet but, the sub showed up today and I couldn't help but hook it up and play with it a little. I was impressed at how well it did with some of the stuff I threw at it. I can't wait to get everything set up and get some real movie time with this thing. I'm certain that I won't be disappointed in the performance of this sub. I'll post back in a week or two once I have time to set everything up and get it all dialed in.

Thanks for all the great info! :D

Case

Hello Case,

Welcome to the Outlaws & the AVS Forum!:cool:

Please post your comments and settings after dialing the LFM-1+ in.

Larry

I know 2 of eather one would be great but the WIF won't go for that.Aslo will it do best if mounted in the corner or can I set it up right next to the couch and @ 1' fro the wall?

Hello ON IN II,

BTW, when I saw your name, I think of Golf and hittin' a par 5 in two shots.:D

You have answered your own question with your instinct to have two subs. With your room size, you really, really need two subs. Buy the first sub and set it up to perform ok, not great, just ok. Now tell your Wife that the guys at the AVS Forum said this would happen and without a second sub, the sound will be just ok. ;)

If you can do this within the first 30 days, the Outlaws will give you the second sub at the package price for 2 subs. Again, another reason to give the Wife.:D

If $ is no problem, buy the EX. But if you can swing (2) LFM-1+, then that is better than 1 EX. You can place this sub where ever you like due to the downward firing ports & driver.

Hang in, there will be other owners by with their thoughts.

Larry

Hey guys. I am trying to decide between the Plus and the EX. My Graet room is 5600 cubic feet with 10' ceilings and is 1/2 open to the kitchen and down the foyer with two openings in the foyer wall. My house is all 18 " ceramic tile directly on top of the concrete slab. Our sitting has a sectional that as you look at it goes into the left corner and down 5'. Our sitting are is on top of a 12'x12' carpeted area.
Which of these two subs do you think will work better for 50/50 ht/music. I am running a Nad T755 receiver which has 2 sub outs and audyssey eq set up. I know 2 of eather one would be great but the WIF won't go for that.
Aslo will it do best if mounted in the corner or can I set it up right next to the couch and @ 1' fro the wall?
Your experiences and input are appreciated.

5600 cubic feet might be too much for the EX. You may want to look at something with more power like the MFW-15 or HSU VTF-3.3 HO. Another option would be to get the EX and add a MBM-12, but you mentioned 2 subs would be a problem. I too am running a NAD receiver (T754) and currently looking to add more power to fill my 2,300 cubic foot room. Check page 7 to see pix of my set-up. Let me know if you have any specific questions.

Larry,
There's nothing better than getting home in 2. I am a golfaholic and would play more than twicwe a week if I wouldn't end up in divorce court. The wife is much more ok with this new hobby than the golf addiction.

As for the subs I do have an old Bose Acoustimas 3 sub from an old Bose sytem I had that I am currently using. It does an OK job but sounds much better with music than HT. I can always leave that set up if needed until part 2 of the plan can come together.
She's says she really appreciates your 2 sub suggestion but one will have to do for now.
Atleast she didn't rule it out!!!
Is there any other differences between the plus and the EX other than the 2 hz in the low end?
I was thinking about the VTF 3.3 HO but am not sure how big of difference there would be. I ahve to go next week and p/u my PSB T55 and the Hsu factory is on my way so I guess I'll call and stop bye for a demo on my way.
I have also been looking at the MFW 15 but they have the same rated amp as the EX so I didn't think they would be very different, besides I don't want to wait till August unless I have to.
Any input on the ED A5-350 with the 550 watt amp? I know this is the Outlaw Audio thread but it is just a thought.

Thanks again guys.

Mark

Well my LFM-2 didn't arrive yesterday and now the "estimated delivery" field on the FedEx tracking page is totally missing. :confused: Guess I'm in FedEx limbo, just hope when it arrives it's not all beat up.

Hi Joe741,

Fedex has a "Home Delivery" service that will deliver on a Saturday. When I rec'd my subs, they were shipped regular ground with delivery Monday- Friday. My first sub arrived to the local Fedex on a Friday afternoon and was delivered on Monday. When you check tomorrow, it should read out for delivery.

This sub is very well packed and you should be fine! Let all of us know what you think!

Larry

Larry, There's nothing better than getting home in 2. I am a golfaholic and would play more than twicwe a week if I wouldn't end up in divorce court. The wife is much more ok with this new hobby than the golf addiction. Mark

Hi Mark,

I figured you were a golf nut.:)

The EX is a bigger & heavier box and is rated to produce a SPL of 118 dB vs. 115 dB for the Plus. I had a feeling I would eventually add a second sub and with my budget, (2) EXs was too much money. The LFM-1+ is a solid choice.

HSU was my initial choice and I would definitely stop in for a test drive. The WAF would have been a challenge with the HSU + turbo option for me. No matter what you choice is, it will be a huge step forward to the Bose module.

Please let us know what you decided on!

Hit 'em straight.:D

Larry

The wife bought me Close Encounters on BD last night for fathers day. The plus was incredible in the last scene when the spaceship is talking with the people. I've never seen or felt that movie like that before. Awesome!

ON IN II, I'm a golfaholic as well, and I know I've saved a whole lot of money when I switched to the a/v hobby. Plus, it keeps me in the house a lot more often, which the wife loves. I think in one year, I would spend 3 or 4 maybe 5 times more $$$ on golf than a/v. I think I actually enjoy this hobby just as much now as I do golf. Especially since my LFM purchase :D

Well my LFM-2 didn't arrive yesterday and now the "estimated delivery" field on the FedEx tracking page is totally missing. :confused: Guess I'm in FedEx limbo, just hope when it arrives it's not all beat up.
Fed Ex "ground" is Monday-Friday ONLY. You should get it Today assuming you are there to sign for it. No worries. Hope this helps Joe. Have a great day.

Cheers,

Phil

I ship Fedex Ground every once in a while and they deliver on Saturday. At least in the southeast US, maybe not other places?

Ah, I see now that there is a difference between home and ground... still uses the same forms and labels, strange.

Fed Ex "ground" is Monday-Friday ONLY. You should get it Today assuming you are there to sign for it. No worries. Hope this helps Joe. Have a great day.

Cheers,

Phil

I only thought Sat. because that's what their website said, I'm here waiting and so far nothing. Not even an estimated delivery date.

UPDATE:

"Jun 16, 2008 3:28 PM Arrived at FedEx location HAGERSTOWN, MD"

Should be here tomorrow?

I ship Fedex Ground every once in a while and they deliver on Saturday. At least in the southeast US, maybe not other places?

Ah, I see now that there is a difference between home and ground... still uses the same forms and labels, strange.
Hmmmm........this is what I was told by Customer Service. Oh well, stuff happens right? Guess it just depends on who you talk to when you do call Customer Service.

Cheers,

Phil

I only thought Sat. because that's what their website said, I'm here waiting and so far nothing. Not even an estimated delivery date.
Joe, if I were you I would call them and see what is going on. I mean, you have have the shipping # right? Maybe even call Outlaw and speak with them regarding this. Scott or Jennifer are both quite helpful and very friendly. Good luck. Keep us posted.

Cheers,

Phil

Hey fellas. Any opinions on adding an lfm-2 to my system, to go with my lfm-1 Plus? I was thinking I could hide the little bugger behind the couch, or under an end table, just to give a little extra punch in the listening position. The Plus has plenty of bass for me as it is, but I'm always looking to buy more crap lol Would the lfm-2 in the back of the room, improve the experience with the Plus firing away up front? Or would it sound a little off because of the smaller size? I'd like to get a HSU MBM-12, but just don't have the room for another big box.

The LFM-2 arrived this morning and laugsbach wasn't kidding this thing is well packed with double boxes, lots of foam and a cloth bag. Wow. Anyway, I unpacked it screwed the feet on and set it on the dimpled disks. I played a few scenes from WOTW (you know the ones :)) and it sounded ok but a bit weak. Using DVE and my SPL meter I wound up needing to increase the gain from 11 o'clock to 12 o'clock, I also set my AVR to +2dB for the sub and now my SPL meter reads the LFM-2 to be about 4 dB hot. I'm planning to watch Godzilla tonight as I remember that had quite a bit of LFE.

But from what I've heard so far the LFM-2 is much better than my old RCA boomer. Looks better too. :D

Hey fellas. Any opinions on adding an lfm-2 to my system, to go with my lfm-1 Plus?

Hey Twisted Dave,

We all love to give opinions.:D

Why not? When it comes to subs, the more the merrier.:eek: It is a bit of a mission to intergrate both subs smoothly into your system. It does help if they are the exact same sub, but at least this is the same manufacterer.

Also, I would recommend adding the free software program Room EQ Wizard (REW) or something similar to help with placing both of the subs.
I am still working on sub placement with my two and the REW helped show me how moving my sub 5' eliminated a huge null at the LP.

Good Luck and let us all know what you decide to do!

Larry

The LFM-2 arrived this morning and laugsbach wasn't kidding this thing is well packed with double boxes, lots of foam and a cloth bag. Wow. Anyway, I unpacked it screwed the feet on and set it on the dimpled disks. I played a few scenes from WOTW (you know the ones :)) and it sounded ok but a bit weak. Using DVE and my SPL meter I wound up needing to increase the gain from 11 o'clock to 12 o'clock, I also set my AVR to +2dB for the sub and now my SPL meter reads the LFM-2 to be about 4 dB hot. I'm planning to watch Godzilla tonight as I remember that had quite a bit of LFE.

But from what I've heard so far the LFM-2 is much better than my old RCA boomer. Looks better too. :D

Hi Joe741,

I made the mistake of playing Cloverfield without really setting it up properly and tweaking it in and I thought I completely rip the thing to shreds.:eek:

Also, my LFM-1+ seemed to need a 7-10 day break in period to really smooth it out. After a couple of weeks and a few more tweaks:), see what WOTW sounds like then. Maybe try Master & Commander's opening battle sequence (even the DVD version rocks the house).

Larry

I made the mistake of playing Cloverfield without really setting it up properly and tweaking it in and I thought I completely rip the thing to shreds.

I did the same thing with my plus when I got it watching the malestrom scene in the new Pirates of the Carribean . I turned it down in a hurry.:eek:

Cloverfield takes on a whole new dimension with a decent sub. :D

Hello Case,

Welcome to the Outlaws & the AVS Forum!:cool:

Please post your comments and settings after dialing the LFM-1+ in.

Larry

Hi Larry,

Thanks for the welcome. I'll post my comments once I get everything all set up. I'm moving into a new house and it's taking a while for the previous owners to totally clear out. I hope to start moving in next week. My HT room is going to be the first thing I set up. My whole setup is new, from the receiver all the way down to the speaker wire :D so, I hope it all works well together. I know the LFM+ will do it's part well.

You are welcome case!

I am looking forward to your comments.

Larry

Sweet! Master and commander came in the mail today from Netflix. I've never even seen it before. I just need to wait for the wife to take the kids to the park, then it's quality bass time. Just me and my LFM-1 plus:D

Hey Twisted Dave,

Beat to Quarters!

Larry

P.S. It will make sense after you see the movie:D

I think it's "Be to Quarters" :)

My dad came to visit me yesterday. I put in Master and Commander and he said, "Turn it down... it's too loud!"

Old people :rolleyes:

Subtitles, Imatk, Subtitles.:D

Ah ok... I always thought it was Be hehe... I guess you learn something new every day :)

Beat to Quarters - Captain telling drummer to sound general quarters. Still tweaking my LFM-2 but the opening of Master and Commander was great!

Moved it a bit, when placing in a corner does it matter if there's furniture near it along the walls. ie. bookcases, end tables , couch and chair? Basically my sub is surrounded.

Hi Joe741,

Always Keep Tweaking.:D

Here is a link to an earlier post by weverb and notice his sub placement:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=13193461#post13193461

Larry

Always Keep Tweaking.:D



I may have to turn the gain down a bit, watched Superman Returns and all I can say is WOW!

Hi Joe741,

Always Keep Tweaking.:D

Here is a link to an earlier post by weverb and notice his sub placement:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=13193461#post13193461

Larry

Thanks Larry.

You can place them near things, but it would probably be better not to if possible. I had no choice due to the WAF factor. I would like to add a second MBM but have no where to hide it right now.

I've had my lfm-1 ex for 3 days now. This sub rocks!!!! I have been tweaking it and I find that activating the crossover and setting it on 90 hz and setting the receivers crossover on 60 hz works great for me. When I bypass the subs crossover the sub sounds boomy. When I use the subs crossover the bass is very clean and tight. This is the best audio investment I have ever made.

Just occurred to me. :o

My floor must have a little dip and I had to stick a piece of index card doubled over to level things. Should I have just loosed the threaded spike instead?

BTW, I'm using the dimpled disc too.

Hi Joe741,

I would try to just turn the threaded spike a 1/4 or 1/2 turn and check level. At the very least, it has to look better than the folded up index card.:D

Larry

I've had my lfm-1 ex for 3 days now. This is the best audio investment I have ever made.

I completely agree!

Thanks for posting your settings,

Larry

You can place them near things, but it would probably be better not to if possible. I had no choice due to the WAF factor. I would like to add a second MBM but have no where to hide it right now.

Hey weverb,

Man, I feel your pain.:)

WAF is a fact of life and the #1 reason the HSU with turbo is not in our TR.:D Still the Outlaw LFM, two Outlaw subs or the LFM along with the MBM are great combinations for the TR.

Perhaps a second MBM with a fine, lace type tablecloth over it would work for the WAF.:D

Larry

Hey weverb,

Man, I feel your pain.:)

WAF is a fact of life and the #1 reason the HSU with turbo is not in our TR.:D Still the Outlaw LFM, two Outlaw subs or the LFM along with the MBM are great combinations for the TR.

Perhaps a second MBM with a fine, lace type tablecloth over it would work for the WAF.:D

Larry

:D I think the MBM would kick the lace cloth right off! I would love to have two LFM-1 EX's and two MBM's. :eek: I could possbily replace one side table on the opposite side of the couch with a second EX. Then swap the current EX and MBM locations. I just don't have a good spot for the second MBM up front. Right now, I am just thinking of adding more power to my set-up to gain more overall dB and more dB out of the EX/MBM combo.

I've had my lfm-1 ex for 3 days now. This sub rocks!!!! I have been tweaking it and I find that activating the crossover and setting it on 90 hz and setting the receivers crossover on 60 hz works great for me. When I bypass the subs crossover the sub sounds boomy. When I use the subs crossover the bass is very clean and tight. This is the best audio investment I have ever made.

The sub should not sound boomy with the correct crossover applied within the receiver. You should not have to apply a second crossover (the sub's) to obtain tight, tuneful bass. I would first suspect the sub's placement for the boomyness, something's not right if you have to use two crossovers.

The instruction manual for the LFM-2 is slightly confusing for the crossover, since they've included the LFM-1 compact in it also.

How do I disable the crossover on the LFM-2? There is no X-Over/Bypass switch; there is only In/Out. Which one shuts off the sub's crossover?

"Out" seems to, on mine.

"Out" seems to, on mine.

Correct.

Hello All Outlaw Owners,

I just watched the Blu-ray version of Cloverfield and what an improvement over the DVD version.:)

I am:
Speechless.
I have a ringing in my ears.
My teeth hurt.
My entrance door (solid wood) rattled the entire movie.
I am completely drained.

My wife was 30' away in our home office and she said it was "too loud".:eek:

Larry

Well it looks like I'm going to have to add Cloverfield to my list of blu-rays to buy. :D

I finally got all my crap set up and somewhat dialed in. I've got the sub at about 50% volume and I'm using the crossover from the receiver. It sounds great! I was worried about the room acoustics but, it doesn't seem to be a problem. Overall, I'm very happy with this sub.

Case

Well it looks like I'm going to have to add Cloverfield to my list of blu-rays to buy. :D

I would rent it first. It was a horrible movie, but the bass made it worth watching at least once.

Hi case2307 & weverb,

This is for demo material only! I agree this is a love it or hate it movie.

BTW, The BR version is a big step up in PQ and the THD track allows me to watch it even closer to reference levels. If someone comes in to your home theater and wants to know what all the "hype" is about, show them 5 minutes of this movie.

Over the weekend, a group of my friends came over to watch Jumper and before the movie I gave them 5 minutes of Cloverfield as a demo. After we watched Jumper at 3dB louder, all of us wondered where the LFE was in this movie. BTW, PQ on Jumper is as good as it gets.

Larry

I would rent it first. It was a horrible movie, but the bass made it worth watching at least once.

Thanks but, I've seen it in SD and I wasn't really impressed either. The only reason I would buy it is for demo uses.


Larry,

I loved the PQ in Jumper but, the movie itself didn't really do anything for me.

Case

The only reason I would buy it is for demo uses.

That's how I feel about War of the Worlds too. I just picked it up from Walmart's discount bin for a $5 demo disk.

Hi weverb,

That is a good buy for the demo disc department.:D

Larry

Hi weverb,

That is a good buy for the demo disc department.:D

Larry

That's what I thought. The only problem is it is a "full screen" version, so the picture quality will not be the best. I am still on the fence as to which blue ray player to purchase.

Hi weverb,

I know this is OT, but I am waiting for a better selection and price on Profile 2.0 BR players. I have purchased a Sammy BD-P1400 BR player (re-furb) to hold me until then. I have had a great deal of success with my unit, YMMV.

Larry

Cloverfield was great for LFE, I have noticed a lot of movies that were not very good, seem to have good bass all of a sudden. :)

That's what I thought. The only problem is it is a "full screen" version, so the picture quality will not be the best. I am still on the fence as to which blue ray player to purchase.

Honestly guys if I were you I'd go with the PS3 for a player. I have it and it works great and I've got the updates via the web and it's all good. Plus you have a game console :)

Honestly guys if I were you I'd go with the PS3 for a player. I have it and it works great and I've got the updates via the web and it's all good. Plus you have a game console :)

It does have a lot of bang for the buck.

I'm using the PS3 as well and it's a great value. The load time is very fast compared to some other players and as Imatk said, the games aren't bad either. :)

I have a PS3 and for now only use it as a Blu-ray player. I might get a game for it some day, but only a must have that isn't on the 360. The PS3 is currently the most future proof Blu-ray player and the best deal IMO.

This is why I hate this forum! :D You guys are nothing but a bad influence...

Buy PS3?
Buy 2nd MBM?
Buy 200 wpc amp?
Buy 2nd LFm-1 EX?

Darn it all! Too many obsessions. :mad:

another vote for the ps3, you get the blu-ray, game console, and can pop linux on there as well. only problem I have had with ps3 is it does not get cd information anymore, stopped a few updates back:confused:

call of duty sounds great with explosions and different weapons with the LFM +

This is why I hate this forum! :D You guys are nothing but a bad influence...

Buy PS3?
Buy 2nd MBM?
Buy 200 wpc amp?
Buy 2nd LFm-1 EX?

Darn it all! Too many obsessions. :mad:

LQTM ;)

This is why I hate this forum! :D You guys are nothing but a bad influence...

Buy PS3?
Buy 2nd MBM?
Buy 200 wpc amp?
Buy 2nd LFm-1 EX?

Darn it all! Too many obsessions. :mad:

This is so very true! I'm very close to convincing the wife that "we" need a second LFM-plus. Then, today I bought the Panasonic th-50pz800u! I've basically built my entire home theater system in a couple of months after joining this terrible influence of a forum. Way, way, way over my initial budget. But, it would have cost me a whole lot more if I never joined this forum, and just bought whatever BB and CC had to offer. So, thanks fellas:cool:

But, it would have cost me a whole lot more if I never joined this forum, and just bought whatever BB and CC had to offer.

Hi Twisted,

You are right on the mark!

BTW, you still need another LFM-1+:D

Larry

Yes, I know I need another one. It's so addicting when you finally hear, and feel real bass. I just keep wanting more! I can't imagine what having two of them sounds like. I can't wait.

I was having such a hard time not calling HSU yesterday due to them having a MBM on B-stock for $400! :eek:

call, weverb, call.

Sorry, just being a bad influence.:D

Larry

Hello Peeps. Just ordered (2) Grammas for my LFM-1Pluses. I hope these enhance my LFE even more. Wished I could post a link but never seem to do it correctly. For those interested in a Gramma, the website is sweetwater.com.

Cheers,

Phil

Hi Phil,

Haven't seen you around of late.:) I hope all is well with you.

Here is your link to the Gramma:

http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/GRAMMA/

Larry

Hi Phil,

Haven't seen you around of late.:) I hope all is well with you.

Here is your link to the Gramma:

http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/GRAMMA/

Larry
Hey Larry. Thanks for the link. Yeah, it has been bad here lately. Not sure if you noticed, but here in Henderson, KY 6 people died as a result of a shooting rampage at a local plastics factory. :(:( An employee got into an argument with his supervisor only to return with a handgun. The gunman killed his supervisor and 4 other employees as well as himself. My first wife's bro seen it all unfold and was almost shot himself. Needless to say, he still is in an emotional shutdown. I just spoke with him the other day before all of this happened. Anyways, my hometown is in mourning from such a senseless act. Thanks for asking though Larry. Your kind words have been most helpful.

Cheers,

Phil

Hey Phil, I hope all is well up there, bro. I know what your town is going through. It's terrible.

On the audio side of things, I can't wait to hear what you have to say about the Gramma. I'm really tempted to order a couple. Can they really make such a difference like they say they do?

Hey Phil, I hope all is well up there, bro. I know what your town is going through. It's terrible.

On the audio side of things, I can't wait to hear what you have to say about the Gramma. I'm really tempted to order a couple. Can they really make such a difference like they say they do?
Hello Dave. Thanks for your kind words. I am doing fine it is the families/friends of the victims that I feel for. To be honest, I don't even know what to say to my former bro-in-law when I see him. Many lives were changed that day here in my hometown. You can just feel a huge sense of loss throughout my community. Anyways, I hope the Grammas do make a difference. I like the way the Pluses sound, but the sound is a bit muffled. I do believe, however, that the Grammas will help to correct that problem. Only time will tell. I am still working on placement and to be honest not in no real big hurry. I will post about my findings sometime in the near future. Perhaps, even snap a few pics.

Cheers,

Phil

I like the way the Pluses sound, but the sound is a bit muffled. I do believe, however, that the Grammas will help to correct that problem.

Hi Phil,

I am very sorry to read about this senseless tragedy.:(

I agree that the LFM-1+ can sound just a bit "muffled" and I figured is was due to the extra thick carpet that is in my TR. I really think the Gramma will help you as I have been experimenting with different materials and how high to lift the sub up from the top of the carpet. I will be interested in reading your thoughts.

BTW, I just received the BR version of Cloverfield as a gift and it is insane the amount of LFE in this movie. In your excellent, personal TR this would have to be a true experience.:eek:

Larry

Hi Phil,

I am very sorry to read about this senseless tragedy.:(

I agree that the LFM-1+ can sound just a bit "muffled" and I figured is was due to the extra thick carpet that is in my TR. I really think the Gramma will help you as I have been experimenting with different materials and how high to lift the sub up from the top of the carpet. I will be interested in reading your thoughts.

BTW, I just received the BR version of Cloverfield as a gift and it is insane the amount of LFE in this movie. In your excellent, personal TR this would have to be a true experience.:eek:

Larry
Hi Larry. Thanks once again for the kind words. My carpet is not what I would refer to as real thick and the LFM-1Pluses still sound a bit muffled. Hopefully, the Grammas will correct that problem. I don't have a BR player just yet, but I have seen Cloverfield. Kinda waiting to see if the BR players come down to more affordable prices. I also want to see what Oppo comes out with before making a purchase. Am also aware of the PS3 and its BR capabilities. Right now, my Toshiba A-3 is doing a splendid job and as such no real hurry as far as I am concerned. Anyways, will be in touch whenever my Grammas get here. Still experimenting w/placement in my very small room.

Cheers,

Phil

Hi Larry. Thanks once again for the kind words. My carpet is not what I would refer to as real thick and the LFM-1Pluses still sound a bit muffled. Hopefully, the Grammas will correct that problem. I don't have a BR player just yet, but I have seen Cloverfield. Kinda waiting to see if the BR players come down to more affordable prices. I also want to see what Oppo comes out with before making a purchase. Am also aware of the PS3 and its BR capabilities. Right now, my Toshiba A-3 is doing a splendid job and as such no real hurry as far as I am concerned. Anyways, will be in touch whenever my Grammas get here. Still experimenting w/placement in my very small room.

Cheers,

Phil

Phil,

It's possible you've already done this, but thought I'd say it anyway. Have you measured your frequency response in your room? Your room is so small that I'm sure you're getting TONS of room gain in the low end. I can't help but wonder if maybe things sound muffled because the really low stuff is too loud. If you have a laptop and an SPL meter, I'd recommend downloading Room EQ Wizard (it's free!) from hometheatershack.com and running some FR sweeps. Let's just say you might be very surprised with the results - I know I was. Again, if you've already done this, feel free to ignore this post, but I'd recommend measuring FR at the listening position and trying different placements to see if you can get things sounding better. If it turns out you have really nasty peaks or room gain at the bottom end, you can use EQ to tame them. Anyway, just a thought. Of course the Grammas might be the answer as well. Good luck.

Phil,

It's possible you've already done this, but thought I'd say it anyway. Have you measured your frequency response in your room? Your room is so small that I'm sure you're getting TONS of room gain in the low end. I can't help but wonder if maybe things sound muffled because the really low stuff is too loud. If you have a laptop and an SPL meter, I'd recommend downloading Room EQ Wizard (it's free!) from hometheatershack.com and running some FR sweeps. Let's just say you might be very surprised with the results - I know I was. Again, if you've already done this, feel free to ignore this post, but I'd recommend measuring FR at the listening position and trying different placements to see if you can get things sounding better. If it turns out you have really nasty peaks or room gain at the bottom end, you can use EQ to tame them. Anyway, just a thought. Of course the Grammas might be the answer as well. Good luck.
No, I have not measured my response yet due to time constraints. Oh, there is no doubt I am getting some room gain. But that is not the problem from what I can tell so far. The sound is just a bit muffled due to my carpet. The Grammas will take care of this and then allow me to play with the phasing more precisely. I then, will experiment more with placement. Lastly, I will then do some sweeps to plot my response as a means to check for any peeks. This process will take a while with everything going on right now. Once completed, I intend on doing some critical listening and doing a review of my impressions. Not that I am an expert. BTW, I only play my Pluses in Max Output Mode meaning no ports are plugged. As such, the lowest bass will come in around 25 or 26 Hz or so. Of course, in Max Extension mode albeit (1) port plugged my Pluses would have no problem reaching down to at least 18 Hz or so. I may even experiment with that as well in my write-up.

Cheers,

Phil

No, I have not measured my response yet due to time constraints. Oh, there is no doubt I am getting some room gain. But that is not the problem from what I can tell so far. The sound is just a bit muffled due to my carpet. The Grammas will take care of this and then allow me to play with the phasing more precisely. I then, will experiment more with placement. Lastly, I will then do some sweeps to plot my response as a means to check for any peeks. This process will take a while with everything going on right now. Once completed, I intend on doing some critical listening and doing a review of my impressions. Not that I am an expert. BTW, I only play my Pluses in Max Output Mode meaning no ports are plugged. As such, the lowest bass will come in around 25 or 26 Hz or so. Of course, in Max Extension mode albeit (1) port plugged my Pluses would have no problem reaching down to at least 18 Hz or so. I may even experiment with that as well in my write-up.

Cheers,

Phil

Sounds good, Phil. However, I'd bet that you're getting strong bass down to at least 20hz, even in Max Output mode. Sure, the subs are tuned around 25hz, but in a tiny room you'll get strong output way below their tuning point. My room is larger than yours, and my PB10's are flat down to 16hz (I believe they're tuned around 20-22hz) at pretty high sweep levels, with useable output down even a bit lower than that.

Anyway, hope those Grammas help. The whole "journey" of obtaining better bass is half the fun, so enjoy the tweaking, FR plotting, etc. Keep us posted :).

Stephen

Speaking of room size. Does anybody know if there is a like an "industry standard" room size that companies test their subs in? Or if magazines have a certain size room that they test in? Or is every test different? I'd like to try and compare magazine and company results to my own, if room size is similar. No reason for the test other than boredom and an excuse to tweak for a day. I figure it would be fun, and maybe I could learn something in the process.

Sounds good, Phil. However, I'd bet that you're getting strong bass down to at least 20hz, even in Max Output mode. Sure, the subs are tuned around 25hz, but in a tiny room you'll get strong output way below their tuning point. My room is larger than yours, and my PB10's are flat down to 16hz (I believe they're tuned around 20-22hz) at pretty high sweep levels, with useable output down even a bit lower than that.

Anyway, hope those Grammas help. The whole "journey" of obtaining better bass is half the fun, so enjoy the tweaking, FR plotting, etc. Keep us posted :).

Stephen
I will do just that. The Rives Test CD II goes as low as 20 Hz. I will at least know if my Pluses are going that low while in MO mode. Just have to see when the time comes.

Cheers,

Phil

Speaking of room size. Does anybody know if there is a like an "industry standard" room size that companies test their subs in? Or if magazines have a certain size room that they test in? Or is every test different? I'd like to try and compare magazine and company results to my own, if room size is similar. No reason for the test other than boredom and an excuse to tweak for a day. I figure it would be fun, and maybe I could learn something in the process.
Dave, this becomes somewhat problematic because even if two rooms are about the same size does not guarantee uniformity. In other words, no two rooms will sound the same even if they are the same or nearly the same size. Some rooms are more sub friendly so to speak whereas other create problems all the way around. There is no real set standard per se for a specific sub. However, many manufacturers will give you some idea of performance in a specific size room usually in cubic feet. Hence, large rooms can benefit from the use of more than one sub. Of course, it also depends on a person's expectations/requirements albeit in the form of how loud he wants it to play. Hope this helps.

Cheers,

Phil

That helps a bunch, Phil. Thanks. I didn't even think about those factors. I wonder how different my results would be, considering my living room is connected to my rather large kitchen, which then leads through to the dining room and family room. Even under these conditions, the Plus still performs well, but I'm starting to feel the need for a second. It's just a matter of getting the WA, and placing/hiding the sub as well as possible so she doesn't complain lol

That helps a bunch, Phil. Thanks. I didn't even think about those factors. I wonder how different my results would be, considering my living room is connected to my rather large kitchen, which then leads through to the dining room and family room. Even under these conditions, the Plus still performs well, but I'm starting to feel the need for a second. It's just a matter of getting the WA, and placing/hiding the sub as well as possible so she doesn't complain lol
Glad I could help Dave. Keep in mind, however, that I am by no means an expert. By the way you describe your room, it sounds very similar to my former room. As such, I can easily say a single Plus would not had been enough for MY needs. If you can afford it, and it is okay with the wife go for it I always say. Two Pluses co-located will yield a 6db increase in output. If, on the other hand, you decide to place them apart, you can obtain a smoother and more even bass response thus increasing the sweet-spot. The bottom line is this-only YOU can decide how much bass YOU need as well as how tight YOU want it to sound. Getting to know thyself is what this hobby is all about. Personally, I know what I prefer and do my best to obtain it. This is a gradual process rather than an immediate awareness of what YOU prefer. Time is usually all that is needed as well as keeping an open mind. Of course, sooner or later money also becomes an issue. We all have a specific budget to work with and it is here where I get the best I can with what little I have to spend.

Cheers,

Phil

No reason for the test other than boredom and an excuse to tweak for a day. I figure it would be fun, and maybe I could learn something in the process.

Hey Twisted,

My definition of heaven.:D

BTW, I thought manufacturers tested and rated their subs out in an open field and not a room per se.

Larry

Hey Twisted,

My definition of heaven.:D

BTW, I thought manufacturers tested and rated their subs out in an open field and not a room per se.

Larry
That is correct Larry. What I meant to say is most give a limit of how big of a room it can perform well in. Others, even mention that in most rooms you will get even deeper response. Did not mean to confuse or misinform. Guess, I needed to be a bit more specific.

Cheers,

Phil

Hi Phil,

I think I'm the one who is confused.:)

Right, the manufacturers give a recommended room size for each model they sell or they should.:o

Thanks again for your informative post!

Larry

Hi Phil,

I think I'm the one who is confused.:)

Right, the manufacturers give a recommended room size for each model they sell or they should.:o

Thanks again for your informative post!

Larry
LOL...........hey it is easy to get confused in this great hobby. I learn something new every day. I still think it comes down to what a person's expectations are. Some prefer tons of bass whereas others not so much. That is why I say getting to know thyself will get one further in this great hobby. That is, the more we know what we want the better choices we will make to achieve that goal. Like most, however, there are other issue such as budget, WAF, and etc. Hope all is well my friend.

Cheers,

Phil

On my LFM-2, I've noticed that if I leave the power switch on "auto" that during the first few minutes of a movie the sub's amp does pick up the signal and responds accordingly. But it seems that when the first scene comes up where there is no substantial bass that the sub just shuts off completely and won't come back on. Anyone else noticed this?

I've taken to just leaving the switch set permanently to "on". I hope there's no real problem in doing so.

Hi preach,

I have the LFM-1+ and I leave it set on auto. AFAIK, this would be the best setting.

I would suggest that you look at your Bass Management settings and see what the trim level is set for the LFE signal. This level might be set too low at -12 to -15 dB and your sub turns off during quieter moments of the movie. Set this trim level to 0 or -5 dB and turn down the volume control on your LFM-2 and see if that works for you.

I hope this helps!

Larry

On my LFM-2, I've noticed that if I leave the power switch on "auto" that during the first few minutes of a movie the sub's amp does pick up the signal and responds accordingly. But it seems that when the first scene comes up where there is no substantial bass that the sub just shuts off completely and won't come back on. Anyone else noticed this?

I've taken to just leaving the switch set permanently to "on". I hope there's no real problem in doing so.

Laugsbach has a good suggestion. If the receiver's subwoofer trim is too low, the subwoofer might not be receiving a strong enough signal to turn on when there isn't really heavy bass material being played. As he mentioned, you can try adjusting this setting on the receiver so it's close to 0, while turning down the knob on the subwoofer so your overall subwoofer level stays the same. A bit of trial and error and you should be able to do this.

However, there's nothing wrong with leaving the subwoofer set permanently at the "on" position instead of "auto". It might draw a few more watts sitting there idling than if it were standing by in "auto" mode while not in use, but from what I've read the difference isn't very significant. And of course the subwoofer will always respond to all of the bass material sent to it - no need to worry if it will wake up in time for that sudden explosion. I personally have my two subs left "on" for that very reason. Overall, I'd experiment with both settings and see which works best for you. Just wanted you to know it won't hurt anything to leave the sub "on".

Hello lalakersfan34,

First off, I have enjoyed reading your posts throughout the AVS Forum.:)

I took out the trusty Kill-a-Watt Meter and plugged in the LFM-1+. All three modes of on/off/auto had the same reading of 12 watts without a signal from my AVR. So, you were on the money.:D

Thanks, I learned something today about my equipment.

Larry

Hello lalakersfan34,

First off, I have enjoyed reading your posts throughout the AVS Forum.:)

I took out the trusty Kill-a-Watt Meter and plugged in the LFM-1+. All three modes of on/off/auto had the same reading of 12 watts without a signal from my AVR. So, you were on the money.:D

Thanks, I learned something today about my equipment.

Larry

Larry,

Thanks for the compliment. It's a fun hobby, and while I'm certainly far from the most knowledgeable person here, I enjoy contributing when I can.

Interesting findings with your Kill-a-Watt Meter. While I didn't expect a significant difference, I didn't expect there to be zero difference either. Thanks for testing it out. I'd doubt all subwoofers would exhibit that exact behavior, but needless to say your experiment proves that leaving the subwoofer amp "on" won't hurt much :).

Completely off topic, I finally watched Cloverfield on Blu Ray today and the bass in that movie is ridiculous! I wonder what those of you with Outlaw subs thought. I think my subs just about packed up and left my room never to be seen again after that torture track!

Best regards,
Stephen

Hi Stephen,

Yes, Cloverfield is ridiculous.:eek:

My solid wood door into my TR doesn't close anymore after watching this movie. The BR disc is a big step up in PQ and the AQ is the best of the year for us that love bass.

I am completely drained after watching this movie and this title is my demo disc for movies with bass....just one scene at a time for my guests.:)

Larry

Hi Stephen,

Yes, Cloverfield is ridiculous.:eek:

My solid wood door into my TR doesn't close anymore after watching this movie. The BR disc is a big step up in PQ and the AQ is the best of the year for us that love bass.

I am completely drained after watching this movie and this title is my demo disc for movies with bass....just one scene at a time for my guests.:)

Larry

LOL! Cloverfield broke your door? Wow, that's pretty impressive. Maybe I need more subs, because my room is still intact :(. I figured two subs in a 900 cubic foot room would be enough, but I guess I was wrong...:rolleyes:

Just got my lfm-2 yesterday. Running it an 805 and totem dreamcatchers. Ran audyssy this morning and still tuning it. The sub level seems a little low compared to the rest of my speakers. In any case it's 100x times better than my old onkyo sub that came with the HTIB, which i finally replaced all the components.
I have a few questions that I hope someone can help answere.
1. About how long does it take to break in?
2. Where should the gain be when I run the audyssy?
3. What exactly is 0 and 180 phase?
4. Finally, I have the sub on a piece of carpet which is on wood laminate flooring (the kind that goes on a pad on a concrete slab) . Should I remove the carpet? I also read somewhere to put a piece of granite under the sub. I know you can buy that thing that goes under the sub but I just bought the receiver and sub within a month and the wife said no more.
Any help and suggestions will be greatly appreciated.

jtaka1, I would consider doing a manual setup with a good ol SPL meter and measuring tape. I've never had good results with Audyssy or anything similar. That could be user error on my part as well though lol. Break in should not take too long, if at all. I can't say that I noticed any difference after break in on my LFM-1 Plus. I can't describe phase nearly as well as the other guys. The carpet should be fine. My Plus is on some rather deep carpet, and it still sounds great. I am however going to buy the Gramma to put under it, depending on what Audiofreak has to say about it once he gets it. I hope these short and sweet answers help.

Hi jtaka1,

Congratulations on your LFm-2 purchase!

My subs appeared to “break in” after about 5-7 movies. Now, one of those movies was Cloverfield.

I set my gain on the sub to #3 while running Audyssey.

The phase control will help the sound waves from your sub get synced up with those coming from your main speakers. An easy, accurate way of setting the phase control is to reverse the connections on your main speakers (the black wire goes to the red terminal and the red wire to the black terminal). Now play a simple selection, like a jazz instrumental with a good walking bass line, on your system while you're sitting in your listening position. Have a friend flip the phase control on the sub until you hear the least amount of bass. Leave the setting there. Returning your speaker wires to their proper places will now allow you to hear the most bass from your sub. A RS Meter can help here too.

First, re-run Audyssey and set your levels with a RS Meter. Then have a listen to your favorite bass track or movie and experiment with the carpet and without. I really don’t think you need a piece of granite.

I have the 805 as well and Audyssey will set the sub, as well as the speakers, a little low. After running Audyssey, use a Radio Shack Meter and set your speaker trims to 75 dB & your sub to 78 – 80 dB.

I hope this helps! Let all of us know how it turns out.

Larry

LOL! Cloverfield broke your door? Wow, that's pretty impressive. Maybe I need more subs, because my room is still intact :(. I figured two subs in a 900 cubic foot room would be enough, but I guess I was wrong...:rolleyes:

Hi Stephen,

I have a standard, solid, 36", wood, entrance door to the TR. The door is located in the back left corner of the room and after tweaking Cloverfield [BR] in all day Saturday for Movie Night with my friends, the small screws in the hinges of the door worked themselves out slightly and the door was out of plumb and wouldn't close.:eek:

I have purchased longer screws to really seat the hinges to the door as well as the frame. During Cloverfield the door vibrates like mad and adds another "speaker" to the TR.:D:D

I have two subs in a 2800 cubic foot TR and even my wife wants another sub, at least. Yes, she is a keeper.:)

Larry

Hi Stephen,

I have a standard, solid, 36", wood, entrance door to the TR. The door is located in the back left corner of the room and after tweaking Cloverfield [BR] in all day Saturday for Movie Night with my friends, the small screws in the hinges of the door worked themselves out slightly and the door was out of plum and wouldn't close.:eek:

I have purchased longer screws to really seat the hinges to the door as well as the frame. During Cloverfield the door vibrates like mad and adds another "speaker" to the TR.:D:D

I have two subs in a 2800 cubic foot TR and even my wife wants another sub, at least. Yes, she is a keeper.:)

Larry
Hey Larry. Hope all is well my friend. I would not get another Plus but perhaps a Hsu MBM-12 midbass module. That should prove to be a potent combination-(2) Pluses along with the MBM-12. Just a thought. Have a great holiday Larry.

Cheers,

Phil

(2) Pluses along with the MBM-12. Just a thought.

+2 :D

Hey Larry. Hope all is well my friend. I would not get another Plus but perhaps a Hsu MBM-12 midbass module. That should prove to be a potent combination-(2) Pluses along with the MBM-12. Just a thought. Have a great holiday Larry.

Cheers,

Phil

+2:D

Thanks to both of you for a very, very good suggestion. If Outlaw Audio didn't give me the two sub price, I was going to buy the MBM-12 to add to the LFM-1+. I think all along I wanted to have (2) LFM-1+ located farfield and a MBM-12 located nearfield.

Both of you guys are right. My next sub won't be a sub.:D:D

Thanks,

Larry

Thanks to both of you for a very, very good suggestion. If Outlaw Audio didn't give me the two sub price, I was going to buy the MBM-12 to add to the LFM-1+. I think all along I wanted to have (2) LFM-1+ located farfield and a MBM-12 located nearfield.

Both of you guys are right. My next sub won't be a sub.:D:D

Thanks,

Larry
Sounds like a very good plan to me Larry. If, I could place both my Pluses up close to my front-stage, then I may look into getting the MBM-12 to put behind my loveseat. Or, maybe (2) of them........LOL!!!!! :eek::eek: Now that would be crazy in such a small room resulting in a WTF factor. :D:D

Cheers,

Phil

Hi Phil,

You go Buddy...nothing wrong with WTF.:D

You just gave me another idea with dual MBMs behind the sofa.:p:eek::D:cool:

Have a great week and wonderful 4th of July my good friend.

Cheers to you too,

Larry

Hi Phil,

You go Buddy...nothing wrong with WTF.:D

You just gave me another idea with dual MBMs behind the sofa.:p:eek::D:cool:

Have a great week and wonderful 4th of July my good friend.

Cheers to you too,

Larry
Hello Larry. Hope all is well there on the home front. Well, I missed the Fed Ex guy so it will be tomorrow before I can get my Grammas. Not sure if I would really get (2) Hsu MBM-12 midbass modules, but it sure does sound like a good plan if you ask me........LOL!!!!! :p:p Be sure to have yourself a great but safe holiday weekend.

Cheers,

Phil

You just gave me another idea with dual MBMs behind the sofa.:p:eek::D:cool:

You should have seen my wife's reaction when I told her I wanted to add a second LFM-1 EX and second MBM! :( After a couple of questions and comments, she politely said "we are done with the speaker thing with this house. Maybe if we get a bigger house." I guess I am just going to have to wear her down or find some invisible paint/covers. :D