Thank you PannyMann for checking in.:)

It is amazing what a small physical move of the sub can do.:cool:

About 2 inches more clearence from the side and rear. Amazing is exactly what I'd say about a small move making a big change. I did have it really snugged up into the corner though, I think it couldn't "breathe".

Santa dropped off some good toys. Although they may not have been a fourth sub(cough...laugsbach...cough), they were HT related. :p[/QUOTE]

A FOURTH !!?!?!?! Ok, who sold it to whome ? Or who talked Santa into delivering ? I smell intrigue here (along with a round or two of expertly conducted EQing).

A FOURTH !!?!?!?! Ok, who sold it to whome ? Or who talked Santa into delivering ? I smell intrigue here (along with a round or two of expertly conducted EQing).

Larry has had four subs for some time now. I keep reminding him how lucky he is. ;)

Holy CRAP !!! All Outlaws ? ALL in the same room ? Stacked, Spread out ?? HOLY CRAP!!!

Holy CRAP !!! All Outlaws ? ALL in the same room ? Stacked, Spread out ?? HOLY CRAP!!!

Here are some old pix of his subs. He has since made some changes.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=14480491#post14480491

Hope you don't mind Larry! :confused:

Hope you don't mind Larry! :confused:

Not at all, weverb.:)

I will post pix of my new arrangement as soon as my wife gives me back the LFM-1+ she "borrowed" for her 1 day dance class.:eek:

I will post pix of my new arrangement as soon as my wife gives me back the LFM-1+ she "borrowed" for her 1 day dance class.:eek:

lol.... :D You are starting to rub off on her!

Ok, consider me duly impressed !!! I'll assume you've tamed them so they 'play nice' with one another. And maybe even MORE impressive, your wife actually enjoys listening to the structural damage happening to her happy home ???

WHAT A GUY !!!

Hey PannyMann,

Yes, taming the four beasts was an exercise in patience and right now, they are really sounding great together. My wife enjoys "feeling" the movie and in fact, encourages me to let her rip! She is most definitely a keeper...

lol.... :D You are starting to rub off on her!

:)

Hey PannyMann,

Yes, taming the four beasts was an exercise in patience and right now, they are really sounding great together. My wife enjoys "feeling" the movie and in fact, encourages me to let her rip! She is most definitely a keeper...

My GF is also a really good golfer, since she was 14 years old. Yes she can beat me once in a while and does she ever like to talk trash. That aside, get this one. She has NAMED my sub "Frankie". Don't EVEN ask me why but whenever it hits really hard she says "Frankie is at it again !".

She likes it cranked too. Interesting how we define "keeper" LOL !!!

Given the time of the year, I had hoped that there would be some effort on their part to exceed my expectations. There was none, just SOP. Not saying they've been derelict in their responsibilities in any way thus far, just that I've not seen anything special.

I miss my sub...

Back up and running yet ?

Back up and running yet ?

The short answer is, No.

I'll withhold the details for now, pending how they respond to their second opportunity to exceed my expectations (which sadly are becoming lower by the day).

Still missing my sub...

The short answer is, No.

I'll withhold the details for now, pending how they respond to their second opportunity to exceed my expectations (which sadly are becoming lower by the day).

Still missing my sub...

Sounds familiar :rolleyes:

Well your experience was much better than mine is turning out to be. I have to package up my amp and ship it to them, where they will repair it then ship it back to me when they're done. Hard to believe they don't have at least one spare amp (even a refurb) sitting on the shelf that they could send me for an advance swap-out. I guess it never occurred to them that amps die once in a while and it would be a good idea to keep a spare on-hand. Not really impressed so far, hopefully things will improve.

Sorry so late, but same here. New fuse blew once I put it in. The process was pretty easy, I had to do the same thing and send back my amp to be repaired. I took about 3 weeks but I'm thinking it would have been faster if it wasn't for xmass and the new year and the fact that I live in Hawaii.

Sorry so late, but same here. New fuse blew once I put it in. The process was pretty easy, I had to do the same thing and send back my amp to be repaired. I took about 3 weeks but I'm thinking it would have been faster if it wasn't for xmass and the new year and the fact that I live in Hawaii.

Yeah, I realize my problem couldn't have happened at a worse time of the year, so I'm trying to be a little patient and remain hopeful that it will still get resolved quickly. As far as being in Hawaii, heck I'm used to things taking longer to ship and having to deal with the time difference with the East coast. What's more important to me at this point is the quality of the the effort made by their CS/TS departments.

Got my new EX today. I am very excited. So far sounds good, but I had little time to play with it this afternoon. I plan to watch The Dark Knight tonight when I get back home. Can't wait...

What's more important to me at this point is the quality of the the effort made by their CS/TS departments.

This is so true laulau.:( Do you have an ETA?

Got my new EX today. I am very excited. So far sounds good, but I had little time to play with it this afternoon. I plan to watch The Dark Knight tonight when I get back home. Can't wait...

Congrats wierdolme!

The Dark Knight will be a sonic delight.:) Please check back with any comments or questions on your EX.

This is so true laulau.:( Do you have an ETA?

Well after talking with their repair department and performing some tweaking and massaging, I'm back in business, at least for now. I'll need to exercise it a little before I know for sure, but it's good to hear that thumping again. Now, where's my Incredible Hulk blu-ray....:D

Great News laulau.:)

Hello, I got a used lfm-1ex wich I love, but my question is: What is the required clearance between carpet and sub?, right now is about an inch. Is it carpet the best surface or does it need to be on a piece of wood?, something solid I mean. Thanks guys.

Hello, I got a used lfm-1ex wich I love, but my question is: What is the required clearance between carpet and sub?, right now is about an inch. Is it carpet the best surface or does it need to be on a piece of wood?, something solid I mean. Thanks guys.
I use an Auralex GRAMMA acoustic isolation riser which is perfectly sized for the EX:
http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/GRAMMA/

Larry (laugsbach) made his own risers out of a shipping tube (see pics here):
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=14231151#post14231151
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=14480491#post14480491

thanks, but is carpet good for downfiring subs?,

thanks, but is carpet good for downfiring subs?,
I could be wrong, but I don't think it makes a meaningful difference. As I understand it, clearance is more important than the floor covering. So, if the spikes are sinking into the carpet, you will likely get better sound by elevating.

Here's a link to a thread based upon a question similar to yours. Hope it's helpful:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1045308

thanks, but is carpet good for downfiring subs?,

I have a 2" clearance and I like the way it sounds. I have read about people with hard surfaces like ceramic placing a throw rug under their downfiring subs to help with how their sub sounds in their room.

The GRAMMA is sweet regardless of the surface under it.

I like the sound from a theater room with carpeting vs. hard surfaces...but that is me.:p

thanks guys. My clearance is only about an inch, and it sounds really good, but I think I need more clearance, I wil tryt to come up with something, I really don't want to spend $50 bucks for the 'Gramma". clearance not clearance this is a GREAT sub, I could not be happier, and I am coming from a HSU stf-2

llep64, I'm glad you're enjoying your sub. Please let us all know what you come up with.

I will !!!

I'm wondering if the Outlaw M2200 Monoblock amp would be an upgrade to the amp in my Denon 4308 for Center Channel use? I have a Rotel 1080 on my Axiom M80 mains.

So for the front sound stage I'd have Rotel, Outlaw Rotel. Currently it's Rotel Denon Rotel.

Thoughts?

^^

Hi Wind_Wound,

I wish I could help you with your question but this is an Outlaw Subwoofer thread. One of the owners here might have the Outlaw amp in question but I'm sure you will get more responses over in the amp forum.

The Outlaws are running a 20% off sale right now with free shipping.

The Outlaws are running a 20% off sale right now with free shipping.
Wow, an LFM1-EX is only $519 with Free Ground Shipping! And I thought that I had an unbeatable deal at $599 with free shipping. Has to be the best subwoofer value out there today.

The Outlaws are running a 20% off sale right now with free shipping.

I just ordered a LFM-1 Compact for my 3rd floor apartment... hoping to get a articulate, musical sound for music and get a nice kick but not anger my neighbors too much during movies :cool:

I am considering getting an LFM-1 EX with the great deal they have going. I was wondering if someone who owns one can confirm the total height with spikes. It will be placed on carpet and my projection screen starts at about 24" H so it will be very close as the listed height is 21.55". However, if that is without spikes I could be in trouble as it will need to sit at least an inch above the carpet. Otherwise I guess it's another SVS or eD for me. By the way I have to sell off my SVS 16-46 PCi because it won't fit up in the front of the room. I have it in the back now but I need that space for other stuff. Is this a good replacement for that sub?

I am considering getting an LFM-1 EX with the great deal they have going. I was wondering if someone who owns one can confirm the total height with spikes. It will be placed on carpet and my projection screen starts at about 24" H so it will be very close as the listed height is 21.55". However, if that is without spikes I could be in trouble as it will need to sit at least an inch above the carpet. Otherwise I guess it's another SVS or eD for me. By the way I have to sell off my SVS 16-46 PCi because it won't fit up in the front of the room. I have it in the back now but I need that space for other stuff. Is this a good replacement for that sub?

Mine is closer to 23" tall with the spikes.

I just ordered a LFM-1 Compact for my 3rd floor apartment... hoping to get a articulate, musical sound for music and get a nice kick but not anger my neighbors too much during movies :cool:

Same here lol, going to be used in stereo with a Cambridge Azur and a pair of AV123 ELT525M's, I cant wait!

Also, a question for you folks,

It seems my only option is to use the high level inputs, I almost hate to do that, but...is the SQ going to be hurt much? What is the disadvantage to using the High level inputs?

Also, my Cambridge has two pre-outs, why would it not be ok to use a Y splitter in the the sub in, isnt bass going to be the same (mono) on stereo recordings? I was told that it could mix the signals, although like I said, bass is the same on both channels, or am I way off?

Thanks!

Mine is closer to 23" tall with the spikes.

Thanks. I figure the spikes should go in to carpet a bit so I should be OK still. Getting late so I guess I'll place my order tomorrow.

Thanks. I figure the spikes should go in to carpet a bit so I should be OK still. Getting late so I guess I'll place my order tomorrow.

That measurement was pushing down into the carpet. I think you will be fine. When you do get it, I would go through the "crawl" method to make sure that it is placed correctly. Then you can try REW. :)

Same here lol, going to be used in stereo with a Cambridge Azur and a pair of AV123 ELT525M's, I cant wait!

Also, a question for you folks,

It seems my only option is to use the high level inputs, I almost hate to do that, but...is the SQ going to be hurt much? What is the disadvantage to using the High level inputs?

Also, my Cambridge has two pre-outs, why would it not be ok to use a Y splitter in the the sub in, isnt bass going to be the same (mono) on stereo recordings? I was told that it could mix the signals, although like I said, bass is the same on both channels, or am I way off?

Thanks!

If you use the high level inputs, the sound coming out of the high level outputs should be untouched. Basically you'll run speaker cable from your amp -> sub -> speakers. The disadvantage of the high level speakers is you'll have to run your speakers full range and a lot of speakers sound better when they don't have to do bass duties (i.e., crossed over at 80-100hz) because the woofer is less stressed.

The answer to your second question is "it depends". Yes, you're right, it usually is mono or non-directional. But sometimes bass is mixed in one speaker or the other and you can localize the harmonics of the note if not the not itself.

thought i was all set on a pair of used SVS PB-NSD12s from a local craigslist seller, but the loser backed out of the deal at the eleventh hour.

i appreciate the substantial benefits of having multiple subs but the budget will be pushed hard if buying new, so i've been reading a bunch and planning my next move...

budget is ~$750 +/-...less is always better, but i'm also a firm believer in spending for quality if you're going to spend at all. $1k is out of the question however.

room is 3300ft^3, rectangular, drywall/insulated wood stud walls & ceiling, heavily padded carpet over concrete slab floor. i currently have no 'true' sub, but have 3 x 8"/250w 'subs' integrated into my def tech front stage. supposedly flat to 33hz, enough to annoy the wife, but hardly sufficient to really move a room of my size. (background: def tech recommends a very low crossover point when adding a stand-alone sub [40-60hz], so that their 8" become midbass drivers. the 8" to mid crossover in the def techs is at 80hz, so approaching that will give the 8" very little to do.)

outlaw hadn't really been on my radar until the current sale, but now they are...very much so. i was about to pull the trigger on an eD A5-550 ($650 delivered, ~30-day wait), but hey...what's this? $520 for the EX?

so, is a single EX enough for my room? add $360 (which i'm not sure i can swing) and it could be a pair of Pluses. can anyone speak to how these would compare to a single A5-550?

placement options are LF1 (mid left), LF2 (mid right), or V3 (bottom left corner). LF2 is best for WAF.

thanks for any advice...


http://middlepath.gotdns.com/ht/room.jpg

someone on another thread on here who has both (I have the EX but never tried two of the plus models) said that he feels one LFM-1 EX is better than two of the smaller LFM's, fwiw. The EX is the killer deal of the moment I'd say.

Here, read Larry's comments on both the Plus and EX:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=14745915#post14745915

The Outlaws are running a 20% off sale right now with free shipping.
Any idea as to how long the sale will be going on?? I just CAN'T pull the trigger yet...

Thanx,
jp

My email says Feb 9th.

The EX is a steal at the current price. Mind you, I paid $599 plus $100 shipping, so almost $200 more than its current shipped price. Mind you also, that a week after I ordered, they ran a free shipping promo, and they wouldn't give me the benefit of the promo when I asked them, which I thought was unusual. But I'm not bitter about the current price... ;)

Anyway, the EX really is a great sub, and is well worth the current price for anyone in the market.

The EX is a steal at the current price. Mind you, I paid $599 plus $100 shipping, so almost $200 more than its current shipped price. Mind you also, that a week after I ordered, they ran a free shipping promo, and they wouldn't give me the benefit of the promo when I asked them, which I thought was unusual. But I'm not bitter about the current price... ;)

Anyway, the EX really is a great sub, and is well worth the current price for anyone in the market.

I have the EX, love it! I'm tempted to get a second at this sale price. That being said, I can't believe they wouldn't credit you for a sale that started a week after you bought yours! You should have returned the sub on General Principles.

yeah, since you can return them for 30 days on their dime, you should have returned it and bought another one at the sale price.

I paid $100 or so moe than this price during the Black Friday sale since it was $519 I believe but without free shipping *damn* so this is a GREAT sale.

The EX sounds like an interesting deal. I had narrowed my choices down to (in no particular order) an eD A5-350 w/ 550 watt amp, MFW-15, Epik Knight, or PB12-NSD and was waiting for sale or good used deal. Is the EX able to get low as the mentioned subs, especially the first three. 80 HT / 20 music.

Thanks,
Michael

The EX sounds like an interesting deal. I had narrowed my choices down to (in no particular order) an eD A5-350 w/ 550 watt amp, MFW-15, Epik Knight, or PB12-NSD and was waiting for sale or good used deal. Is the EX able to get low as the mentioned subs, especially the first three. 80 HT / 20 music.

Thanks,
Michael

From what I've heard, those are all good choices. You'll see that in this price range, there are some outstanding options. In all honesty, they're surely pretty similar in specs and sound quality, so you've got to just pick one and go with it. The EX does go very low in Maximum Extension mode, I think down to like 16hz or thereabouts. Others will likely know the specs better than me. But the EX goes low, and sounds great.

As to why I didn't return the sub and rebuy it at the sale price, I'm not so sure that if I bought the sub at $599 plus $100 shipping, and chose to return it, that they'd refund me the original price plus shipping, and pay for the return shipping. Plus, I was just too busy with work and family at the time (and pretty much always) to deal with something like that. I thought it was bush league not to give me the free shipping, but they said they only give the benefit of discounts on the products within 30 days, not free shipping. In their defense, after I complained enough, they did give me come Outlaw credit to spend on future purchases, but it's not like they have many little things to buy on their site, and I didn't want to end up spending more money to save money. So that credit has been pretty worthless to me. But I digress.

I currently have a LFM-1 Compact. It is amazing compaired to my old JBL. My Kitchen is above my HT in the basement. It will vibrate stuff on the counters in my kitchen. My HT space is probably less the 1600 sq ft. It does open up on one side to another room. You can even feel the base in your gut. It will vibrate the light in my suspended ceiling. So you guys think it would be worth it to add another compact, or get a plus. The space beside my stand and in between the front speakers is not wide enough for a plus, but a compact fits right in. Would I just be wasting money to add more? I mean the deals are so good right now, I don't want to pass them up, if it would make a lot of difference. Not sure with my space size that it wouldn't be too much. Just looking for some thoughts.

Thanks

Hey a few of us who pricked up our ears on the current Outlaw sale also saw the thread in the Outlaw Saloon about some of their subs having a problem properly sensing the input signal and knowing when to turn on.

I could ask the question over in the saloon, but thought I might have a better chance of an unbiased opinion over here.

Anyone experience this problem? Is it a problem? Do all the Outlaw subs have a problem detecting the input level? Is the nature of this worse than on subs from other companies? And anything else you can offer. Thanks!

Bump - I want to know about this auto-on sensor problem as well. I have had the misfortune of experiencing this with two different subs from another company. Don't want to go willingly into the same situation.

Bump - I want to know about this auto-on sensor problem as well. I have had the misfortune of experiencing this with two different subs from another company. Don't want to go willingly into the same situation.

I've had my LFM 1 Plus for several months now and have not seen this issue. My nephew just got his yesterday (caught the sale). I just called him and it is not an issue for him either.

I thought I had this problem on my old sub (JBL) but it turned out that auto cal had set the level going into the sub so low that the signal was not loud enough unless I had master volume cranked up a tad (and higher).

i've had two lfm-1 ex's and the auto setting worked perfectly with both

Hey a few of us who pricked up our ears on the current Outlaw sale also saw the thread in the Outlaw Saloon about some of their subs having a problem properly sensing the input signal and knowing when to turn on.

I could ask the question over in the saloon, but thought I might have a better chance of an unbiased opinion over here.

Anyone experience this problem? Is it a problem? Do all the Outlaw subs have a problem detecting the input level? Is the nature of this worse than on subs from other companies? And anything else you can offer. Thanks!

Not a problem. Leave the gain setting on the sub at approx. the 10 o'clock position - and do not touch it. Then perform your system calibration. If your receiver has an auto EQ feature (i.e. Audyssey), run it and you should be good to go. If you do your calibration manually (i.e. w/SPL meter), adjust the subwoofer level from the receiver - not the gain control on the subwoofer.

The intent is to make the receiver think it has to send a higher level signal to the sub in order to achieve a certain volume point. This higher level signal should then be strong enough to trigger the signal sensing on the sub. Too often, people set the gain on the sub to high so the receiver thinks it only has to send a very low signal to achieve a certain volume level. As a result, this very low signal is not strong enough to trigger the signal sensing threshold.

That's my story, and I'm sticking with it...for now.

The intent is to make the receiver think it has to send a higher level signal to the sub in order to achieve a certain volume point. This higher level signal should then be strong enough to trigger the signal sensing on the sub.

THAT is a very good idea!

Well after reading a few pages in this thread it sounds like the EX might work in my 2500 cu ft room or maybe 2 EX's. My main concern is how low will the EX go...does it go below 20 Hz with ease? Can it go down to 16 Hz on occasions, say like with Pipe Organ music. I'm really interested in this sub at the excellent sale price. I already have a Paradigm PW2200 which I could use with the EX if needed...or would 1 work or would 2 be a whole lot better. Remember my room total is 2500 cu ft. I just don't know if 1 EX would be enough. Any thoughts?

Well after reading a few pages in this thread it sounds like the EX might work in my 2500 cu ft room or maybe 2 EX's. My main concern is how low will the EX go...does it go below 20 Hz with ease? Can it go down to 16 Hz on occasions, say like with Pipe Organ music. I'm really interested in this sub at the excellent sale price. I already have a Paradigm PW2200 which I could use with the EX if needed...or would 1 work or would 2 be a whole lot better. Remember my room total is 2500 cu ft. I just don't know if 1 EX would be enough. Any thoughts?
Yes, those of us that measure our in-room response get sub-20Hz response. If you search this thread for the word "graph" you'll get a number of hits for posts with REW graphs, including the benefits of using EQ.

With my current setup in a 4,000+ ft^3 room, I get measured response below 15Hz in Maximum Extension mode. EQ was necessary to get full benefit of the sub, as I had to correct 10dB+ peaks around 40Hz and 18Hz which forced me to turn down the sub.

Here's an REW Graph prior to correction:
http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm40/ajstan99/mefixedplugxo80-nofilters.jpg

Here's the REW graph with BFD EQ correction applied:
http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm40/ajstan99/mefixedplugxo80.jpg

Here's an outline of my room (measurement location marked):
http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm40/ajstan99/HTLayout2.jpg

Here's a photo of the listening area (the BIC H-100 in the photo has been replaced by an LFM1-EX):
http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm40/ajstan99/HTPhoto01.jpg

Remember my room total is 2500 cu ft. I just don't know if 1 EX would be enough. Any thoughts?

The current deal is the icing on the cake, I would go for two EXs.:)

The current deal is the icing on the cake, I would go for two EXs.:)
YOU would only "go for two"? :confused::D

Did you mean that you would recommend two?:)

YOU would only "go for two"? :confused::D

Did you mean that you would recommend two?:)

Well AJ, my honest recommendation would be 4 EXs.:D:eek::D

Bump - I want to know about this auto-on sensor problem as well. I have had the misfortune of experiencing this with two different subs from another company. Don't want to go willingly into the same situation.

No problem here as well...Auto works fine.

Just a reminder that the Outlaw sub draws the same 12 watts regardless of the setting (On/Off/Auto). I leave mine set to "ON".

Here's a photo of the listening area (the BIC H-100 in the photo has been replaced by an LFM1-EX):
http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm40/ajstan99/HTPhoto01.jpg

Now that's a nice looking set-up. :D

My main concern is how low will the EX go...does it go below 20 Hz with ease? Can it go down to 16 Hz on occasions, say like with Pipe Organ music.

My graph goes down to 15Hz. I am flat within +/-2dB down to 14.5Hz. :D

Now that's a nice looking set-up. :D
Thanks, weverb, and BTW thanks again for the help in setting up the REW/BFD filters. :)

My graph goes down to 15Hz. I am flat within +/-2dB down to 14.5Hz. :DI wonder how the LFM-1EX would do against the ED AS-350 15" driver with 550 amp. It cost $130 more. Not sure if it's worth it. :confused:

I wonder how the LFM-1EX would do against the ED AS-350 15" driver with 550 amp. It cost $130 more. Not sure if it's worth it. :confused:

It probably will not have to work as hard and have a higher max spl.

I wonder how the LFM-1EX would do against the ED AS-350 15" driver with 550 amp. It cost $130 more. Not sure if it's worth it. :confused:
You mean A5-350 with the 550 watt amp, right?

Out of curiosity, I did a search for graphs in the eD thread. The most recent REW graph I saw was from May of last year,.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=13853689#post13853689

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=110236&d=1210644470

I understand that room, placement, mic calibration, etc. can all affect response, but the poster's A5-350 appears to roll-of in the low 20s. (Or, could it mean that his reference line is too high and he has 3 big wide peaks from 20Hz to 90Hz?)

With the current sale going on right now, would the better way to go be getting a single LFM-1 Plus or get dual LFM-1 Compacts? I have this thing with symmetry :D I think it would look/sound sweet to have a sub on either side of my Salamander rack, but would the Plus be a better performer at a couple hundred less than the pair of Compacts?

I put an order in yesterday for an LFM-1 Compact. Not my first choice originally, but I think close enough. Just couldn't ignore the price. There ends several months of study. Hopefully.

Hee hee, I hope I get mines today :D

I'm about ready to pull the plug on 2 LFM-1EX's....will this be enough to pressurize a 2500 cu ft room? I want my bass to feel tight...punchy...and go looooow. I was all set to buy a 1 ED A5 350 for $650 bigger driver 15" 550 amp...but I keep coming back to the sale price of theses Outlaw subs. 2 for under $1100. My pistol finger is close to firing. Will 2 LFM-EX's blow 1 ED A5 350 out of the water? :confused:

Also my carpet is really really thick and problem with down firing subs?

Will 2 LFM-EX's blow 1 ED A5 350 on the water? :confused:

Yes, two of anything is always better than one. :D

Yes, two of anything is always better than one. :DBeing I have really thick carpet, is this not considered a problem...I don't want the driver 1" from the carpet...I would think this would mute the bass output. Could these subs be used as end tables, wife wants to know? I would need a 25' cable for one of the subs, any problems at that length? Sorry about all the questions, just need to know what will work and what won't work. :)

Being I have really thick carpet, is this not considered a problem...I don't want the driver 1" from the carpet...I would think this would mute the bass output. Could these subs be used as end tables, wife wants to know? I would need a 25' cable for one of the subs, any problems at that length? Sorry about all the questions, just need to know what will work and what won't work. :)
No problem with 25' cable length. Try Monoprice (forum sponsor). Don't know about using EX as an end-table.

Regarding clearance - based upon my experience, I wouldn't think that 1" is enough. Others - please feel free to correct me here if I'm wrong, but isn't 2" the recommended minimum clearance?

There are multiple ways to solve:

I use an Auralex GRAMMA acoustic isolation riser which is perfectly sized for the EX:
http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/GRAMMA/

Larry (laugsbach) made his own risers out of a shipping tube (see pics here):
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...1#post14231151
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...1#post14480491

Some get a piece of MDF or slab of marble as a plate for the sub to sit upon.

I'm about ready to pull the plug on 2 LFM-1EX's....will this be enough to pressurize a 2500 cu ft room? I want my bass to feel tight...punchy...and go looooow. I was all set to buy a 1 ED A5 350 for $650 bigger driver 15" 550 amp...but I keep coming back to the sale price of theses Outlaw subs. 2 for under $1100. My pistol finger is close to firing. Will 2 LFM-EX's blow 1 ED A5 350 out of the water? :confused:

Also my carpet is really really thick and problem with down firing subs?

If I had to money, I would go with the Outlaws, as far as I know, there isnt much of a turn around time (if any), and those EX's are freaking sweet subs!

Your talking more surface area with Outlaws, along with a much smoother room response.

My trigger finger got itchy...just pulled the trigger...bought 2 LFM-1EX's. Should ship tomorrow. Hopefully get here by Friday! :D

Awesome! When I had my LFM-1 Plus, I was blown away by the performance, two EX's should be a bit insane!

Im sure you feel like a huge weight was lifted off your shoulders too eh? :D

What sub are you coming from? The Plus I had was able to pressurize my 2000 Cubic foot room, which also has a huge (no doors) opening to the dining room, which was an additional 1500.

Awesome! When I had my LFM-1 Plus, I was blown away by the performance, two EX's should be a bit insane!

Im sure you feel like a huge weight was lifted off your shoulders too eh? :D

What sub are you coming from? The Plus I had was able to pressurize my 2000 Cubic foot room, which also has a huge (no doors) opening to the dining room, which was an additional 1500.I'm glad this ordeal is over. I have a Paradigm PW2200 250amp 12" driver ported...just wasn't enough for my new theater room. I was waiting forever to hear from Epik...ED had a 4-6 week time...The Outlaws are in stock, so I went for it. I just hope I will be happy. The Epik Castle was my number 1 choice. ;)

hey guys,

Im stuck between a AV123 MFW-15 and LFM-1 EX . I have the MFW on backorder for 599$ with the rosewood finish that matches my Rocket set.

It will be in a 14x14 room used for 80/20 HT/Music. Which do you think would be my best choice. By looking at the Outlaw it is actually one of the better looking subs Ive seen in black. Obviously the rosewood would still be nicer.

Tell me what you guys think and how they compare.

Thanks!

Not sure if I should post this here or not, but here's a good deal on an LFM-1 Plus if you're looking for it.
http://www.outlawaudio.com/products/lfm1plus.html

It is about a bit more then my price range (by like 25%) at the moment. Not sure of people's opinion of it either.

Edit: forgot the link the 1st time = fail

hey guys,

I'm stuck between a AV123 MFW-15 and LFM-1 EX . I have the MFW on backorder for 599$ with the rosewood finish that matches my Rocket set.

It will be in a 14x14 room used for 80/20 HT/Music. Which do you think would be my best choice. By looking at the Outlaw it is actually one of the better looking subs Ive seen in black. Obviously the rosewood would still be nicer.

Tell me what you guys think and how they compare.

Thanks!

You kinda asked the same question in the other thread. I think the answers were fair. You might consider:

1) AV123 has had some troubles. Not to say you will be on the receiving end of any of that, but if it were my money I would be cautious until they have shown that they are back on solid ground (for good, not "for now"). And I don't know if they have truly resolved the amp problems. If they cannot consistently ship RMA amps to people who have had amps fail, then they have not root-caused the problem.

2) Outlaw's prices right now are at best once a year, and they have stock. Call first, since the sale is so good, I would think they could sell out.

I've not heard these subs, so cannot comment on that, but the LFM-1 EX looks like an excellent buy. There is another recent thread saying it ranks well with the MFW15 and the higher-end Hsu which it kinda looks like.

You might be stuck because of the finish (rosewood) available on the MFW15. Not that it will help much, but I thought about this, too, before I finally bought my LFM-1 Compact (maybe will arrive this week). I have rosewood ELTs from AV123 (before they got into trouble). The sub will sit in a corner. A box on the floor. Waiting to be dive-bombed with kid's Lego airplanes, Bionicles, and Transformers. Waiting to support my wife's mug of hot tea every night. You get the point. I just could not do that to one of AV123's finishes ;)

but isn't 2" the recommended minimum clearance?

Hey AJ,

A 2" clearance sounds the best to me. I 'm having a problem or AVS with your link to my post. I am going to link it as well:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=14231151#post14231151

It would of been a lot nicer if the Outlaws had a recessed driver like what ED has done. Looking at the Auralex GRAMMA, I think it would be very easy to make them yourself. MDF board might work nice. Maybe topped with a nice black velour or maybe some black suede. Something to think about while I'm waiting for delivery.

Still thinking about how I’m going to place my 2 subs in my theater room...thinking of trying the end table thing first. This will be a first for me. Also not sure how to calibrate 2 subs. I have a lot of reading to do for sure. I do have a RS digital spl meter on hand. Can you have one sub set at max extension and the other one set to bass extension? Or do they both need to be set the same. I have a really air tight room with no open areas. If needed to be the same, which would be preferred max or bass extension in a sealed room?

I downloaded the manual and I can't seem to find a answer to this. Thanks

Ended up pulling the trigger on the Outlaw LFM-1 EX. I can still decide after hearing it whether I want the MFW as I have another 2 months before thats back in stock.

I'll let you know what I think.

Thanks!

If needed to be the same, which would be preferred max or bass extension in a sealed room?

Hey Joe V,

This post should help you get started:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=14751457#post14751457

I never tried one sub with MO & one sub at ME.:o

I would like to welcome all the new members to the family! :D Hopefully you all enjoy your new toy or toys. If you have any questions, feel free to ask. We are all here for one another and will help as much as we can. :o

Ended up pulling the trigger on the Outlaw LFM-1 EX. I can still decide after hearing it whether I want the MFW as I have another 2 months before thats back in stock.

I'll let you know what I think.

Thanks!

Hey eddie,

The EX is a very good sub and should do quite well in your room. Please check back with your thoughts and any questions you might have.

Can you have one sub set at max extension and the other one set to bass extension? Or do they both need to be set the same.... If needed to be the same, which would be preferred max or bass extension in a sealed room?

jwv651,

I am guess what you will find is...

1. It very difficult to get the two subs level matched to your mains.
2. One sub will play the very low stuff (<20Hz.) ok.
3. One sub will play the 30-50Hz area ok.
4. Combined, the two will "bloat" the 50Hz. to xo region and be too low for the rest.


If you do not have any type of room measuring capability, you will probably set the combined levels based on the "bloated" reading. In addition, to help with this problem, you are going to need to eq the bass response. Once you are able to eq the subs, you will also find that you have to run the subs at higher gain settings (on the back of the subs) to get the lower Hz. up to your targeted 75Hz to match the mains.

Now, if you set them to the same (ME or MO)...

1. It will be easier to match them to the mains.
2. You will have a much more balanced response for multiple seating positions.
3. You will not have to turn up the gains on the back of the subs as much.

By setting them the same, you are going to get a better balanced response and probably less distortion. You are going to still need some type of room measurement tool to help place them and phase them in with your mains. Once you have the measurement capabilities, we will see if you need any bass eq'ing.

I hope I am correct and understandable on my comments. This is where I usually place my standard clause:

"I am by no means an expert. I only comment on what I have learned through my experiences and what I have been told by other." :D

Thanks everyone...being a retired carpenter as of last August...I'm going to need a little help here and there. My sons are gone and they already have enough on their plates. This is my second theater build and I'm doing it on my own. :eek: All and all it has been rewarding, at least so far. My only problem will be a dual sub placement, and calibrating these puppies. Decent Bass even at my age means the world to me. I still like to rock, but just not as hard. :D And, I love watching movies even more.

Here is a little info on my mid level system; this will give you a feel on what I'm working with:

14’x22’x8’ room. This room is so dead quiet you could hear a pin drop. I had a really good carpenter building my theater.:D

Mitsubishi HC6500 1080p projector
Elite 100" dia fixed screen
Pioneer Elite 03-01TXH receiver
Paradigm Studio 60v2 Fronts
Paradigm Studio 450 CC
Rear's Energy c-c100 bipoles
Side speakers in ceiling BIC Muro 6
Panasonic BluRay BD35
Toshiba HD DVD A2
Dish Network vip 211
Pure AV surge
Paradigm PW2200…soon to be replaced by 2 LFM1-EX

Got my Compact today, It kicks way too much ass in my 10x10x8 room, ahhhh my ears :D

Here is a little info on my mid level system; this will give you a feel on what I'm working with

Nice set-up Joe V...looking forward to your thoughts on the dual EXs in your room.

ahhhh my ears :D

That is what it's about combos99.:cool:

Congrats on your new sub...

Nice set-up Joe V...looking forward to your thoughts on the dual EXs in your room.I plan on posting some pic's when done. ;)

Got my Compact today, It kicks way too much ass in my 10x10x8 room, ahhhh my ears :DI'm happy for ya! My 2 pieces just shipped from Ca :D How long did it take to get to Madison?

Hello All! I just stepped onto the Outlaw boat to high seas and am excited. I just worked out a deal for (2) LFM-1 Plus' which should be arriving in about 1-2 weeks. I will be going through this thread with a fine tooth comb trying to learn everything I can about configuring these things with my system.

New 6.1 system will include:
Yamaha RX-V1 receiver (i know its old but she my baby)
(2) Athena AS-F2.2 L/R
(4) Athena AS-B2.2 C/R/Sur
(2) Outlaw LFM-1 +

room 25x14x20 = 7000 cu feet which is also open to the kitchen and the foyer.

wish me well!

Here is a little info on my mid level system...

Joe V.,

There is nothing mid level about that set-up! ;) We can't wait to see pictures. Let us know if we can help in any way.

:)

Hello All! I just stepped onto the Outlaw boat to high seas and am excited. I just worked out a deal for (2) LFM-1 Plus' which should be arriving in about 1-2 weeks.

With two Pluses, that is going to be some rough water!

I'm happy for ya! My 2 pieces just shipped from Ca :D How long did it take to get to Madison?

Outlaw subs ship from California? I thought they were in MA? Does that mean CA folk have to pay CA tax?

Outlaw subs ship from California? I thought they were in MA? Does that mean CA folk have to pay CA tax?My subs were shipped from CARSON, CA...You should call Scott at Outlaw and ask what States have to pay taxes. Carson, Ca is 20 mintues from HSU.

Typically, if you live in the state the in which company is located/registered in you'll have to pay taxes, not based where they're drop shipped from. Ilive in Texas and I was looking at a Rythmik (TX) sub through Ascend (CA), but the sub would have shipped directly from Rythmik in Austin, however, there would not have been any taxes charged since I was paying Ascend in CA.

btw, my pair of EX's are coming in on Friday! WooHoo!

Okay...I just have to ask....I've read through the threads and I realize there are all the usual variables....but...I'm wondering....

Is there really that much difference between the LMF-1 Plus and the EX?

I've been pouring over comparisons here at AVS...and I see a mind numbing amount of comparisons between different manufacturers....but not so much comparison between the different LF1s. I'm completely new to the world of home theater audio with regards to what I own. I am just now building. I don't have the amp and my time is stretched right now...but the current specials and excitement make me want to buy an Outlaw on sale. I may not be technical...but I can spot a trend here guys! :) So...my living area is kind of small...but you never know what the future holds. Of course I would like to have an awesome sub for movies (just bought a Kuro)...but also want one that will be awesome for music. I would bet either the Plus or EX would blow me away. The question is...what do you think...and why? Do any of you have experience with both of these subs? If so, what is your experience? Thanks!

My brother has an LFM-1 Compact and I just heard it over Christmas...I was very impressed how is sounded. Thus, I put Outlaw on the short list. The sale just pushed me over the edge.

Now, between the Plus and the EX, it's a box volume difference. The bigger the box, the more efficient the system becomes for pure volume and depth. So, despite the driver and amp remaining the same, the capabilities of the EX over the Plus are real. Subtle perhaps, but real. I spoke with the guys at Outlaw (very helpful, just like other places - SVS, Hsu, AV123, etc.) and it was indicated dual Pluses would about equal the volume of a single EX, if not co-located. The added benefit though would be the extra depth the EX plays to.

I've yet to hear the EX or Plus, but will report back once setup (they arrive Friday!), but I've got a busy weekend with relatives in town at my house, amongst other obligations.

Re: the EX vs. the Plus, see Larry's (laugsbach's) previous post:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=14745915&postcount=993

Okay guys...sounds like the EX is worth the extra money. I just saved so much money buying budget fronts that I can put the extra into the sub. Now I just need to go back and look at dimensions to see if it's crazy to put the EX...or the Plus for that matter....in my crowded living area. I just purchased Infinity Primus 362 fronts and have been pretty much convinced to keep them. I got them at Fry's for $280 for the pair...out the door. So...it seems a little crazy for me to spend this much on the subwoofer....but...I'm thinking this is where the money might be better spent anyway. I will report back if I decide to pull the trigger. I've learned a lot here on AVS. I would have never known that some movie tracks actually go down to a level where you can feel the bass...even though you can't hear it. Awesome!

Oh...and from the information I've received here....can I assume that music will sound great with either sub? Thanks again! :)

PS...
One more quick question...

I realize placement is something that can be tweaked and played with...but I have one corner of my living area that might conceal the sub pretty well if the wife prefers....so...how much clearance should I have? Should I put it in a corner parallel to each wall? Will this shake the house too much? Is it better to have it front and center in all of it's glory as I've seen in so many pics here on AVS? Thanks!

PS...
One more quick question...

I realize placement is something that can be tweaked and played with...but I have one corner of my living area that might conceal the sub pretty well if the wife prefers....so...how much clearance should I have? Should I put it in a corner parallel to each wall? Will this shake the house too much? Is it better to have it front and center in all of it's glory as I've seen in so many pics here on AVS? Thanks!

Subwoofer placement is very room-dependent. Aesthetics are certainly important, so if putting it in that corner helps to keep the peace with the wife, by all means, that might be the best spot ;). Having said that, your room has a large effect on a subwoofer's performance, and your sub can sound radically different in the same room simply if it's placed in different spots. It's important if you have placement options in your room to try the subwoofer in different locations to see what sounds best. Corner placement is a nice place to start to get more output. Room barriers reinforce bass waves and can help you achieve greater SPL's in your room. On the other hand, sometimes corners can make bass seem boomy or overemphasized. As I said, experimentation is a good idea to make sure you're getting the most out of your sub. There's no hard and fast rule for which placement is best - every room is different.

A couple more things :)



I realize placement is something that can be tweaked and played with...but I have one corner of my living area that might conceal the sub pretty well if the wife prefers....so...how much clearance should I have?

You don't need much clearance with the LFM-1 EX. Its ports and driver are downfiring, so you don't need to worry about having a lot of space between the port and the wall to allow the port to breathe.

Will this shake the house too much?

There's no such thing :D:D

Is it better to have it front and center in all of it's glory as I've seen in so many pics here on AVS? Thanks!

Not necessarily. Some of it is certainly for aesthetics and just to show off the system, but a lot of it has to do with your room's acoustics and what spot works best for the sub. I've seen setups with the subwoofer directly behind the listening position, in a rear corner, along a side wall, in a front corner, or front and center. It depends on your room. One thing I'll say is that I'm not personally a big fan of nearfield placement, or of placing the sub behind the listening position. To me, it makes the subwoofer easy to localize and it is distracting, especially when listening to music. That doesn't mean it will be that way for you, though. I've personally tried mine in numerous spots and the best spot in my room is front and center. It gives the best blend between my sub and other speakers. However, my room is small and I suspect that in a large room placement to the side or rear of the room would not be as distracting. Again, though, you'll just have to experiment and see.

Good information...thanks! I might just sandwich it in the corner behind a couch side table...two walls and the couch. In other words...I have a very deep couch...about the depth of a twin sized bed. The side table can be brought out flush with the front of the couch and the remaining rectangular opening would just fit the sub. I do wonder what the effect might be. We're actually squeezed in pretty tight. Our living area is open to the kitchen...and a small hallway...but the area is approximately 14x15 with a ceiling that rises in the middle to 10ft. Then...pack in an oversized chair/sofa/tables...and it's on the cozy side! :) Anyway, I'm leaning towards the EX now...just have to sleep on it a bit more and think seriously about how much room it will take...and my options. One thing I've learned from this is that I'm going to need about 15ft. of subwoofer cable so that I have options for trying different locations. As always...thanks!

Like lalakersfan34 said, you don't need much clearance or be squared up in a corner. My is angled under a desk. :D

http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/4363/ht02uj7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/ht02uj7.jpg/1/w800.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img12/ht02uj7.jpg/1/)

And with only four eq filters. One is at 17Hz. :)

http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/300/finalsubsuq3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/finalsubsuq3.jpg/1/w800.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img17/finalsubsuq3.jpg/1/)

It depends on your room. One thing I'll say is that I'm not personally a big fan of nearfield placement, or of placing the sub behind the listening position. To me, it makes the subwoofer easy to localize and it is distracting, especially when listening to music.

andiron,

lalakersfan34 is correct here. I tried my EX in a similar set-up you have described, and the lows were very localized. Your best bet is to do the "crawl method" or become familiar with Room EQ Wizard to help you with placement options.

^^

weverb, I have always meant to ask you how the pictures stay on top of the desk while playing WOTW.:D

^^

weverb, I have always meant to ask you how the pictures stay on top of the desk while playing WOTW.:D

Surprisingly, a solid cherry desk does not move much. I can barely get it to move. Now the rest of the room... I hear plates in the kitchen rattle and things fall off shelves in the room behind the couch. :) I have learned to keep things away from the edge of the shelves.

I've personally tried mine in numerous spots and the best spot in my room is front and center.

lalakerfan34, it is always good to see you around this thread and I learn something every time I read one of your posts.:)

For me, I love nearfield placement and at one time had all four subs behind the LP.:eek: BTW, Room EQ Wizard (REW) confirms that it is the best location in my room. Gradually, I started to move the subs around and now have 1 nearfield in the back right corner, one near the front left corner and the (2) LFM-1 Plus subs stacked 1/2 way down the right wall.

The three most important words regarding subwoofer placement are:

Experiment, Experiment, Experiment.:D

Surprisingly, a solid cherry desk does not move much.

It might start moving in the near future.;)

Very cool. Man that picture is worth a thousand words on this subject! If you can tuck in under that vanity...then I have hope. :P

lalakerfan34, it is always good to see you around this thread and I learn something every time I read one of your posts.:)

For me, I love nearfield placement and at one time had all four subs behind the LP.:eek: BTW, Room EQ Wizard (REW) confirms that it is the best location in my room. Gradually, I started to move the subs around and now have 1 nearfield in the back right corner, one near the front left corner and the (2) LFM-1 Plus subs stacked 1/2 way down the right wall.

The three most important words regarding subwoofer placement are:

Experiment, Experiment, Experiment.:D

Hey Larry,

Good to hear from you as well. It's been too long since we've talked here. Your post just goes to show how completely room-dependent subwoofer placement is. Lots of people love nearfield placement. It gets you more mileage out of your sub because you're practically sitting on it so you get more impact. As I've said before, though, I think my room is simply too small to allow near field placement to work without being localizable. It's an 11'x10' room so no matter which wall it's against, that Epik Castle is within about 4-5 feet of me. With the sub on a side side wall it's not so much that I "hear" bass from the side (though sometimes I can) but I can feel the pressure of the bass on that side of my face and body which is distracting to me. Same with rear placement. I really do think that in a larger room the "pressure" or "feeling it on one side of me" issue would be significantly reduced. I'm fortunate that in my room front and center is open and works just fine. The FR isn't all that bad to begin with and with 3-4 filters on the Behringer I'm in business :).

Epik Castle is within about 4-5 feet of me.

That is pretty close to the definition of heaven.:)

Hey Larry,

Good to hear from you as well. It's been too long since we've talked here. Your post just goes to show how completely room-dependent subwoofer placement is. Lots of people love nearfield placement. It gets you more mileage out of your sub because you're practically sitting on it so you get more impact. As I've said before, though, I think my room is simply too small to allow near field placement to work without being localizable. It's an 11'x10' room so no matter which wall it's against, that Epik Castle is within about 4-5 feet of me. With the sub on a side side wall it's not so much that I "hear" bass from the side (though sometimes I can) but I can feel the pressure of the bass on that side of my face and body which is distracting to me. Same with rear placement. I really do think that in a larger room the "pressure" or "feeling it on one side of me" issue would be significantly reduced. I'm fortunate that in my room front and center is open and works just fine. The FR isn't all that bad to begin with and with 3-4 filters on the Behringer I'm in business :).You have a Epik Castle in a 11'x10' room...I hope your ceiling is like 40' high. :D BTW, Karen emailed me from Epik last week saying they still can't any get parts for their subs...It could be months, I had my heart all set on a Castle. I decided on 2 LFM1-EX's being they could ship now and sale price was right. I live less than a hour away from Epik...I was going to pick it up to save on shipping...theirs subs are built like tanks...superior quality if you can get one. Enjoy!

You have a Epik Castle in a 11'x10' room...I hope your ceiling is like 40' high. :D

Nope, standard 8' ceilings here :D

BTW, Karen emailed me from Epik last week saying they still can't any get parts for their subs...It could be months, I had my heart all set on a Castle. I decided on 2 LFM1-EX's being they could ship now and sale price was right. I live less than a hour away from Epik...I was going to pick it up to save on shipping...theirs subs are built like tanks...superior quality if you can get one.

It's a real bummer about the Epiks right now. They must have had some major supplier issues, but the subs are incredible. Even so, that LFM-1 EX deal is a great one - I'm sure you'll thoroughly enjoy the EX's :)

Enjoy!

Oh, I do :D:D:D

That is pretty close to the definition of heaven.:)

Yeah, it's not bad ;). I guess I lied though. I said I don't like nearfield placement, but technically in my room with a sub as big as the Castle there's really no option BUT nearfield placement :D. I'll try to snap a couple of pictures to get you an idea of what the room is like. I'll tell you one thing - it's a lot cooler than any other college student's room I've ever seen.

Still new around here, but today I became an Outlaw customer as well (LFM1-Plus). From everything I can gather it will be a great final addition to my low budget setup for 50/50 HT & tunes.

My system:

Samsung LN52A550, Onkyo TX-SR806, Yamaha DVD-C961, Samsung BD-P1500, Infinity Alpha 50, Beta C360 and Beta 20.

All of the htib junk is finally gone when the Outlaw arrives!!!

Thanks! :D

Im From CA and didnt pay tax. Mine shipped today as well but not sure from where.


Anyone have any pics of there sub? Getting excited!


Thanks!

^^

Here you go eddie33081. Attached are views of the EX & +.

Still new around here, but today I became an Outlaw customer as well (LFM1-Plus). From everything I can gather it will be a great final addition to my low budget setup for 50/50 HT & tunes.

My system:

Samsung LN52A550, Onkyo TX-SR806, Yamaha DVD-C961, Samsung BD-P1500, Infinity Alpha 50, Beta C360 and Beta 20.

All of the htib junk is finally gone when the Outlaw arrives!!!

Thanks! :D

Welcome relayer4u and congrats on your purchase!:cool:

FYI...

I just called Outlaw to confirm when the sub sale ends.

I was told "Monday, 9am." I specifically asked "if I were to order a sub at 12 noon on Monday, would I get the sale price" and the answer was "no."

So, just be sure to get the orders in before 9am Monday (essentially when they open).

Also, since I asked about this, too: if you need to return a sub which was purchased on the free shipping promotion, you'll end up paying shipping for ONE of the directions. (They will send a free label to ship the sub back, but will only credit you what you originally paid, LESS their normal shipping cost.) Since shipping cost is not listed right now on the web site: Cost to ship LFM-1 Compact: "about $57." Cost to ship LFM-1 Plus: "about $65." I didn't ask about LFM-1 EX, since the person sounded VERY BUSY :)

- Dave

sweet...but can I pull the trigger...best deal on these subs yet...
Bill

sweet...but can I pull the trigger...best deal on these subs yet...
Bill


You can...you should...you will. ;) The EX that is--go for the best.

Okay..my browser just closed and I had just finished a long post...so perhaps I can be a bit more concise this time?

I would like to have a bit more of a push towards which sub to purchase...the plus or EX based on a few questions I still have.

Based on real world application....a 14x15 living space...open to kitchen and small hallway. Entire house 1300 sq.ft.. Desire to have a great home theater audio experience...and the ability to have great music sound....

When comparing the Plus to the EX....

1. Will one handle musical sound better?

2. Will I want to use the sub for Max Extension, or Max Output? (I assume ME is for the really low sound capabilities of either sub and would help mostly with movies)

3. Am I correct in assuming that setting them at MO will make the difference between these subs less obvious in real world application...correct?

4. What cable/s are you guys using to get juice to these subs? (I saw Blue Jeans cables has what appears to be a good subwoofer cable...but I don't even know what connections I will need)

5. Is the length of cable important. I may set the subwoofer next to the tv...but then again I think I will need about 15ft. to be able to play with different placement. Is this too long?

6. Can a subwoofer be used as a side table? Do I look really stupid for asking this? :D

Now for what I have, what I will have, what I currently use...etc....

a. I have a plasma on the way

b. I have an old Pioneer VSX 3800 receiver with older Pioneer speakers that really crank but are large. I have small surrounds that were given to me with high WAF.- I will probably not change these soon...even I think they are probably hideous from an audiophile standpoint.

c. I have new Infinity Primus P362s from Fry's....still in box...very good price.

d. I plan on buying a PS3 for blue ray capability/possible gaming.

e. I plan on buying a matching center for my fronts...or...explore if just using the tv speaker for this would be acceptable.

f. I have a Sony DA30 ES receiver in the garage. Given to me by a family member for helping them move. I got it 2 years ago and still have not used it. I assume it's outdated for my purposes.

g. So..I think I will by my components and then seek help on a receiver.

h. plan on buying a subwoofer....after you guys help me! LOL

So that's it. If you made it this far you cheated and skipped past a lot of rambling....or you're a real trooper! Thanks! :D

Alright Andiron, way too much to read (I should be doing work anyway), but I saw "the plus or EX" and questions about ME vs. MO.

Plus or EX, you'd surely be happy with both. Take a look at Larry's post #1375 for real-world pictures of both. You'll see that there is actually a pretty big difference in overall enclosure between the Plus and EX. In the sub world, that really does add up to something, and if you want the most bang for your back, the EX is it. It's all relative though, and while I haven't heard the Plus, I can't imagine you'd be disappointed in any way if you went with it. But I wanted to just go for the EX and be done with it, and not worry if I missed out by going with the Plus. The EX, while large, fits very nicely in the corner of our family room, and looks and performs great.

As to MO vs. ME, I'm not all that technical, so here's my layman's description. With Maximum Output, you'll get more and louder mid-upper bass, perhaps better for music, while still going nice and low. With Maximum Extension, you'll still get plenty of loud bass for music and movie purposes, but with the ability to go even lower than with MO. So you'll theoretically lose "something" with each option, but not so much that it would ever really detract from your enjoyment. I had mine at MO for awhile, and enjoyed it quite a bit. But when I realized I was watching way more movies than listening to music, I switched to ME and haven't looked back. I want to hear and feel the lowest bass the EX can offer. I'll be ok missing a bit of volume with the mid-upper bass. And the ME vs. MO has been discussed alot over the years with the Hsu and Outlaw subs. No real consensus, but the HT nuts on AVS seem to prefer ME to get that low bass.

Good luck.

^^

Here you go eddie33081. Attached are views of the EX & +.
Why does the EX look so much taller than the +, from the specs they are about the same height?

I considered the EX against the HSU 3.3, and even though I loved the wood finishes on the HSU, I wound up getting two EX's this morning, can't wait for them to arrive. In comparing and reading about the two brands though, I can't help but wonder why if the EX is essentially Outlaw's version of the 3.3 with the same amp and driver, why do the specs differ (16hz for the EX vs 18hz for the 3.3) same size cabinet, same amp, same driver, so why the difference? I obviously have much to learn, I'm all ears!

And psyched for them to arrive!

The Hsu and Outlaw units are not identical...I believe the Hsu units have larger ports, thus a smidge higher tuning frequency (if the ports are the same length). I remember reading about there being a port diameter difference, but don't remember where.

Also, after talking with Outlaw, the two Outlaw units are different heights, despite what the manual and website claim. The EX is ~1.5" taller than the Plus.

^^

From memory when I was comparing both subs last year, the Hsu sub has 4" ports vs. the 3" ports on the LFM series.

Indeed, the EX is 1.5" taller than the +

Alright Andiron, way too much to read (I should be doing work anyway), but I saw "the plus or EX" and questions about ME vs. MO.

Well said jeffrey r.....

need some veteran input here. i am preparing to eq my soon coming subwoofers and have an equipment question.

i got a hold of a:
PAA3 SPL meter (http://www.phonic.com/en/testers/paa3.html)
M-Audio Fastrack Pro (http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/FastTrackPro.html)

is it recommended that i go ahead and purchase the ecm8000 as i am reading things in other threads about the paa3 having 1/3 which is better geared toward auditoriums where as using the ecm8000 is better for homes. then someone else chimed in that the paa3 can be used for home as well but not subsonic. then some lean toward using the paa3 for everything without the need of ever having to use REW, laptops, sound cards, ecm8000 and preamps.

i am also buying the BFD from a local shop.

can anyone offer some insight. it is much appreciated.

edit: oh and i purchased a $15 usb midi interface (off brand) for the bfd instead of buying the high end ones. this should be fine correct? i figured it is only and interface for transmitting data and has nothing to do with interfering with sound quality. i am thinking properly?

Wow, both the EX and the plus show as being sold out.

I'm hoping I got in under the wire, since they emailed me an invoice with FEDex tracking numbers(which don't show up on the fedex site yet)

Your post just freaked me out....and made my decision fast. I assume they will honor sale prices until the advertised deadline? I especially hope this is true since I just completed my purchase of an LMF-1 EX!!! :eek: :D

Wow, both the EX and the plus show as being sold out.

I'm hoping I got in under the wire, since they emailed me an invoice with FEDex tracking numbers(which don't show up on the fedex site yet)I noticed that earlier...My brother was thinking of upgrading his sub. :( Hopefully they will get more, before the sale ends.

Ok. Just received this beast. Excellent packaging done by Outlaw. Double boxed and in a linen bag. Not a single scratch!

I have it hooked up but havent tuned it yet. So with my rockets, I should cross them over at 80hz ac across the board? Let me know what you think. Also should it be LFE only or LFE+Main for the sub?

Thanks!

Ok. Just received this beast. Excellent packaging done by Outlaw. Double boxed and in a linen bag. Not a single scratch!

I have it hooked up but havent tuned it yet. So with my rockets, I should cross them over at 80hz ac across the board? Let me know what you think. Also should it be LFE only or LFE+Main for the sub?

Thanks!

Which rockets do you have? Is it the 850sigs/bigfoot/450's package?

Yes it is.

Thanks!

Yes it is.

Thanks!

To be honest you might want to experiment. I'd expect that using an 80hz setting all around would be a good option. Whether there's another crossover setting that might be slightly better for your particular listening environment is really more of a personal preference and depends on your room and setup. I've personally tried a few different crossover settings with my setup and have ended up coming back to 80hz. I'd suggest 80hz for a quick setup, as it will probably sound very good and might even be the optimal setting, but you might want to try different settings if you get the time or like tweaking a bit.

I'm not sure if you should use "LFE" or "LFE + Mains." I believe "LFE + Mains" is similar to a "double bass" setting, though I'm not sure as my receiver is not labeled this way. From what I understand, "double bass" settings send the full range signal to your main speaker (no high pass for the mains) but also sends the bass below the crossover frequency from the main L/R channels to the subwoofer as well. From what I've read, this can have a couple of undesirable effects. First, you'll have the mains and subwoofer reproducing the same frequencies. This can cause overemphasized bass, but it can also cause cancellations and reductions in some frequencies. Second, running mains as large requires more of them which can tax the amplifier for your front L/R speakers. These potential issues may or may not pose problems for you in your setup, but I just thought I'd warn you that they're a possibility.

Seriously guys....am I invisible? I said I just ordered the EX! This is after people are saying it is sold out. I'm confused...it didn't say sold out when I purchased it this evening...after reading the post about it being sold out. Am I missing something? I have the email confirmation. I looked again and didn't see any mention that the LMF-1 is sold out. I got if for the advertised price including shipping. Is this the twilight zone....did I miss something here?! :D

Wow...I just re-checked and see that it is now reading out of stock! Hmm. I hope I got the deal. I assume I did since I got the confirmation email. I even refreshed my browser before I made the purchase since I had read here that it was out of stock. Even after the browser refresh it showed as available. The way I was leaning was towards the EX....and this just pushed me over the edge. I don't care if I have to wait....since I was not in a rush anyway. Just to get the good price is enough. Anyway, I look forward to visiting here again when its concert time! :D

OK.

Just to clarify I have a Denon 2808ci receiver. I tried both and havent done the Aud EQ test yet with the mic.

Can you recommend a setting for the volume on the subwoofer to use for the Aud EQ test. I had it at 12 o'clock but the bass seems a little over emphasized.

Thanks

OK.

Just to clarify I have a Denon 2808ci receiver. I tried both and havent done the Aud EQ test yet with the mic.

Can you recommend a setting for the volume on the subwoofer to use for the Aud EQ test. I had it at 12 o'clock but the bass seems a little over emphasized.

Thanks

Depends on the room, but I'd say it's usually a good idea to try the sub's gain at around 10 o'clock before running an auto-setup like Audyssey. If Audyssey comes up with a really extreme subwoofer setting in the receiver (like -15 or +15) try adjusting the subwoofer's gain and running it again so Audyssey sets it closer to 0. I'd personally want to gun for somewhere between -5 and 0 if you can.

Wow...I just re-checked and see that it is now reading out of stock! Hmm. I hope I got the deal. I assume I did since I got the confirmation email. I even refreshed my browser before I made the purchase since I had read here that it was out of stock. Even after the browser refresh it showed as available. The way I was leaning was towards the EX....and this just pushed me over the edge. I don't care if I have to wait....since I was not in a rush anyway. Just to get the good price is enough. Anyway, I look forward to visiting here again when its concert time! :D

I read your first post after I verified the "out of stock" as well. No idea what might have happened. Maybe you are a lucky one. At any rate, I received two emails, both send on the weekend:

1) Saturday at around 12 noon, after I placed my order. This one had an ORDER INVOICE number, with method of payment listed.

2) Sunday, around 4pm, when I received a SALES INVOICE with a different number. This second email had a receipt attached, along with a FedEx tracking number.

So, unless they are backed up, which I would not doubt, you should get the second email a day or two after the first.

- Dave

has anyone ordered after the out of stock notices went up???...do you need to call them as I don't see where you can check online to order when they are out of stock...I'll report back if I don't see a response and I get a chance to call them after they open today...
Bill

Ok. Just received this beast. Excellent packaging done by Outlaw. Double boxed and in a linen bag. Not a single scratch!

I have it hooked up but havent tuned it yet. So with my rockets, I should cross them over at 80hz ac across the board? Let me know what you think. Also should it be LFE only or LFE+Main for the sub?

Thanks!Someone correct me if I'm wrong...My setup consist of a Pioneer VSX-03TXH, Paradigm Studio 60, Paradigm Sudio CC, Paradigm PW2200 Sub. I always get the best results setting my reciever at 80hz, speakers to small and LFE only. I will probably do the same with the LFM-1 EX's.

I read your first post after I verified the "out of stock" as well. No idea what might have happened. Maybe you are a lucky one. At any rate, I received two emails, both send on the weekend:

1) Saturday at around 12 noon, after I placed my order. This one had an ORDER INVOICE number, with method of payment listed.

2) Sunday, around 4pm, when I received a SALES INVOICE with a different number. This second email had a receipt attached, along with a FedEx tracking number.

So, unless they are backed up, which I would not doubt, you should get the second email a day or two after the first.

- Dave


Yes I suppose I'm very lucky! It's really strange how this all went down. What's a bit more strange to me is that they ran out at all. Perhaps I'm wrong...but I would expect them to honor the sales price until the advertized cut off date for anyone...even if they are out of stock. They can still honor price and just tell people that they are on back-order and will be delayed on shipping...yes?....no?

I'm looking forward to the second email!!! :D

I would fully expect that they would still honor the sale price if you purchase before the 9th, you just might have to wait until they get more in to get it. They probably just had a much bigger response than they expected, after all the economy is in the dumps, right?

If you get an order in and a confirmation back, they'll likely honor the price and send you a sub(s) when they come in, and definitely will NOT charge you the full retail price.

Glad I got mine ordered when I did. I thought about getting one and seeing how it sounds, then possibly getting the second after auditioning the first...well, I ended up just ordering them both - Whew!

If the house is a rockin', don't come a knocking...
...because I likely won't hear you.

I always get the best results setting my reciever at 80hz, speakers to small and LFE only. I will probably do the same with the LFM-1 EX's.

I agree...

Hope you enjoy 'em. Stephen

Thanks Stephen!

WOW, what a set-up.:eek::cool::eek:

I would fully expect that they would still honor the sale price if you purchase before the 9th, you just might have to wait until they get more in to get it. They probably just had a much bigger response than they expected, after all the economy is in the dumps, right?

I'm sure they'll honor my purchase...just think they might also consider letting people buy at the sale price on back order. But who am I to tell them how to run their business? They set the terms and make or break their reputation on their own. It sounds to me from everything I've read that they are an awesome company...so I expect the best.

Yeah...honestly the whole economy thing and where it might lead makes me a little sick. I feel very fortunate to have a job and be able to buy these toys now...even though it's a financial stretch. If things go south....I'll be holden some debt! :) So it's a little scary to indulge at this time. BUT... I'll be rockin the house! I can go to a happy place!!!

Heck...I think I'm gonna order some pipe organ music, turn my living room into a cathedral, and blow my mind maaan! :eek:

has anyone ordered after the out of stock notices went up???...do you need to call them as I don't see where you can check online to order when they are out of stock...I'll report back if I don't see a response and I get a chance to call them after they open today...
Bill

I am curious if you still can order the subs and wait for delivery. I have Outlaw's original e-mail and it doesn't mention a word about "until stock is sold" or "limit number available".

From the website:

Due to overwhelming demand of our LFM-1 EX and LFM-1 Plus we are now on a 45-day back order. In order to qualify for our current sale pricing, please proceed with your order. Your credit card will NOT be charged until your subwoofer is in-stock and available for immediate shipment. Sale pricing is valid until Monday, February 9th, 2009 at Midnight EST.

Thanks Stephen!

WOW, what a set-up.:eek::cool::eek:

Thanks Larry. I feel pretty lucky to have this setup at this stage of my life. The only problem is it's really "cozy" if more than a couple of people want to watch a movie. As you can see, there just isn't much room :cool:

I ordered my new LFM-1 Plus late Wednesday evening and received my receipt and tracking number this morning. I had no idea they were so close to being sold out. Looks like I made it in just under the wire!

Normally I'd feel bad for depriving all of you other interested folks of a new sub . . . nah :p

Outlaw's doing a great thing by honoring the sale through February 9. Hopefully their stock will replenish well before the 45-day estimate.

From the website:

Due to overwhelming demand of our LFM-1 EX and LFM-1 Plus we are now on a 45-day back order. In order to qualify for our current sale pricing, please proceed with your order. Your credit card will NOT be charged until your subwoofer is in-stock and available for immediate shipment. Sale pricing is valid until Monday, February 9th, 2009 at Midnight EST.

The person on the phone told me "9am Monday" is when the sale ends. This seems to indicate they extended it until Midnight. I would definitely call to make sure.

One more thing: You must be at home to sign for the sub, IN PERSON.

The Service Type is "Home Delivery-Direct Signature Required"

-- You can leave a signed note but it will do no good.

-- They will not leave a tag for you to sign; only a notice that they will try to deliver it again.

I know, because they tried to deliver my sub to our house at 9:33 am this morning. I was at work and my wife was at my kid's preschool. :(

- Dave

One more thing: You must be at home to sign for the sub, IN PERSON.

The Service Type is "Home Delivery-Direct Signature Required"

-- You can leave a signed note but it will do no good.

-- They will not leave a tag for you to sign; only a notice that they will try to deliver it again.

I know, because they tried to deliver my sub to our house at 9:33 am this morning. I was at work and my wife was at my kid's preschool. :(

- Dave

That's no joke. Someone has to be there to sign. I missed the first delivery attempt when my Compact was delivered a couple months ago. That was on a Friday. I thought I'd have to wait until Monday :mad: but luckily, they tried again on Saturday. :D

One more thing: You must be at home to sign for the sub, IN PERSON.

The Service Type is "Home Delivery-Direct Signature Required"

-- You can leave a signed note but it will do no good.

-- They will not leave a tag for you to sign; only a notice that they will try to deliver it again.

I know, because they tried to deliver my sub to our house at 9:33 am this morning. I was at work and my wife was at my kid's preschool. :(

- Dave
True. But if this happens you can call them and tell them you will pick it up at the terminal when the driver gets back, and fedex will facilitate that. I did this with a prior sub I got.

Of course the terminal has to be convenient to get to for you, but I'd rather do that than wait from Friday to monday for them to try again . I'm little kid impatient like that :))

I received mine yesterday. Good thing I made up my mind in time. 45 days of choosing between this and the MFW-15 would of driven me crazy...


Still tweaking mine but it is a beast!

Just got mine on wednesday, was supposed to be thursday but hey who's complaining. All I can say is I feel sorry for my neighbors, I went from a low end sony unit to this but have had decent subs over the years. This is by far the best I have owned, sorry it's the EX model. It's big but not as heavy as it could be and very nicely done. I have it setup in low extension mode, just set it next to right front speaker where my old sub was until I receive a longer cable. But with the crossover bypassed and my Marantz sr5001 taking on that duty, with junk cable etc. it sounds excellent. I was playing gears of war last night and was expecting the police after a few matches, some of the low tones rattle my entire house. It's faster than I would expect for a ported 12 as well.

Anyway will ad pics etc. once I get it set up right, but at that price you will not regret the purchase. BTW, I ordered it on the 30th it was shipped a few hours later, arrived in perfect cond. on the 4th at 10 am. Pretty good for a box I had to drag inside....

Pics and more details coming....

One more thing: You must be at home to sign for the sub, IN PERSON.

The Service Type is "Home Delivery-Direct Signature Required"

-- You can leave a signed note but it will do no good.

-- They will not leave a tag for you to sign; only a notice that they will try to deliver it again.

I know, because they tried to deliver my sub to our house at 9:33 am this morning. I was at work and my wife was at my kid's preschool. :(

- Dave

Yes - Definately true. I left the Fedex tag on the door with my cell on it and was lucky the driver called me. I met him at the McDonalds up the street and was able to get it that way, the driver was still in the area. I bought the LFM-1 Plus and it seems very nicely built, big, heavy -77lbs. I guess I was lucky to order it before they ran out. I am slowly building my HT system and now have a 2.1 system.

Be careful carrying this thing. I was lifting up mostly by one handle, the handle ripped partially and I went flying...Dumb Dumb. landed on my butt but OK.:eek:

I will hook it up tomorrow. This is what I have so far

Onkyo 805
Aperion 6B for fronts
Outlaw LFM-1 Plus

I will wait a month or so and then work on the center and surrounds. Read WAF :D

I read your first post after I verified the "out of stock" as well. No idea what might have happened. Maybe you are a lucky one. At any rate, I received two emails, both send on the weekend:

1) Saturday at around 12 noon, after I placed my order. This one had an ORDER INVOICE number, with method of payment listed.

2) Sunday, around 4pm, when I received a SALES INVOICE with a different number. This second email had a receipt attached, along with a FedEx tracking number.

So, unless they are backed up, which I would not doubt, you should get the second email a day or two after the first.

- Dave

I got that second email!!! Have a tracking number....not in the Fed Ex system yet...but I expect the monster will be moving soon! :D

My count shows 17 new owners since the sale was posted::)

andiron
tpross
burnem760
eddie33081
ResIpsa
NCDave
Bryan Beckman
boarder1995
jwv651
thebuffman
kip_
combos99
relayer4u
Pratticus
byrnes
boxker
akrosdabay

Welcome and enjoy your new sub(s):D:D

Welcome and enjoy your new sub(s):D:D

Thanks! I'll post some pics of the Compact when I get it (hopefully tomorrow). Also some before after plots with BFD/REW, assuming I can make it all work for me.

My Woofs are sitting at FedEx Chicago...35 mintues from my house...scheduled to be delivered Monday. :( It's going to be a long weekend. :eek:

Thanks Laugsbach! I can't wait to see how low I can go! :)

My count shows 13 new owners since the sale was posted::)

andiron
tpross
burnem760
eddie33081
ResIpsa
NCDave
Bryan Beckman
boarder1995
jwv651
thebuffman
kip_
combos99
relayer4u

Welcome and enjoy your new sub(s):D:D

Add +2 LFM-1 EX's for me; ordered on Tuesday and hoping to take delivery next Tuesday :)

Another question here. I've had my sub plugged in for a while and just ran into one problem. On some commercials my speakers go blank and you can only hear sound from my sub. Once it goes back to the regular tv show its fine. I have a Denon 2808ci. Anyone have any ideas?

Thanks!

Hey everybody, I have two LFM-1 plus's, and was thinking about adding a third. Right now I have both in each of the front corners of the room. I was thinking I could put the third behind my listening position, which would kind of be a rear center type of position. Not in the rear corner. I know many of you have dual plus's and dual EX's, but do any of you have three? If so, how did it work out for you, and what type of placement did you end up with?

Just unpacked my twin EX's...they look good in the room. I haven't done anything more than a "by ear" setup. I've got one up front near the corner and the second near the opposite rear corner. I may put them both up front by each main, but will have to experiment a while. Still they are less noticable than the outgoing Paradigm and seem to blend easier (not boomy) with music.

Here's the progression from unpacking to possible final location...

First, my wife and father-in-law unpacking the first box. Double boxed with great edge and corner reinforcement.

Second, the sock covered sub. That's added protection for the finish.

Third, the unveiling. The port plug is in. Just gotta add the threaded on feet. What's not shown is the shiny top that's also covered with a protective paper.

Fourth, front right sub.

Fifth, left rear sub.

Here's the progression from unpacking to possible final location...

First, my wife and father-in-law unpacking the first box. Double boxed with great edge and corner reinforcement.

Second, the sock covered sub. That's added protection for the finish.

Third, the unveiling. The port plug is in. Just gotta add the threaded on feet. What's not shown is the shiny top that's also covered with a protective paper.

Fourth, front right sub.

Fifth, left rear sub.

Nice!

Add +2 LFM-1 EX's for me; ordered on Tuesday and hoping to take delivery next Tuesday :)

You're added, Welcome!

I was thinking I could put the third behind my listening position, which would kind of be a rear center type of position. Not in the rear corner. I know many of you have dual plus's and dual EX's, but do any of you have three? If so, how did it work out for you, and what type of placement did you end up with?

Hi Twisted Dave,

Right now, I have stacked my two LFM-1 Plus subs (one on top of the other) and created a, sort of, Super EX Sub.:eek::D:eek:

In a sense, I have three EX subs and have arranged them exactly how you're looking to do. I like one sub, at least, nearfield for LFE impact. You might want to consider adding an EX for your nearfield placement to go along with your farfield LFM-1 Plus subs.

Larry

Another question here. I've had my sub plugged in for a while and just ran into one problem. On some commercials my speakers go blank and you can only hear sound from my sub. Once it goes back to the regular tv show its fine. I have a Denon 2808ci. Anyone have any ideas?

Thanks!

This is really strange, only SOME not ALL commercials.:confused::confused:

Here's the progression from unpacking to possible final location...

I agree, very nice set-up.:)

BTW, I see Outlaw has changed the color of the "sub sock" from black to blue....

Hey Larry, thanks for your input. I've never even thought about stacking them! That's nuts.

Another question here. I've had my sub plugged in for a while and just ran into one problem. On some commercials my speakers go blank and you can only hear sound from my sub. Once it goes back to the regular tv show its fine. I have a Denon 2808ci. Anyone have any ideas?

Thanks!
Hi eddie - sounds like this issue may be triggered when commercials are 2.0 and program material is 5.1. My guess is that something is connected or setup incorrectly as you should always get sound from either your fronts or center chanel.

My recommendation would be to check the following and we'll try to help you diagnose the issue:

1. Confirm your speaker/subwoofer(s) configuration and connections to your receiver.

2. Let us know how you have connected the video source (and sound) to your receiver.

3. Setting for Cable/Sat Box Master Audio Output (or TV output to the receiver). Is it set to PCM, Dolby Digital, or something else?

4. Verify the signal coming into the receiver when you believe that it is working properly, and when it isn't working (is it 2.0, 5.1, other)?

5. What listening mode are you using when you believe that it is working properly, and when it isn't working (PLIIx, Direct, other) ?

Sub sock is still black...just got a strange effect with the low lighting and flash. I thought about leaving the socks on to keep the units pristine, kinda like the plastic on the furniture, or the paper on the floorboard of a cart after service. Ok, probably not a good idea with amp cooling.

Sub sock is still black...just got a strange effect with the low lighting and flash.

My monitor isn't the best...or my eyes.:D:D

Thank you for your reply. I reset my receiver and redid the Aud setup. I think its working properly now. Im not sure what happened that caused it but it should be fixed now.

My receiver gives me the option to do LFE or LFE+Main which do you think is best?

Thanks again.

Eddie

Couple of pictures:

Plus out of the box:

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a191/relayer4u/IMG_0203.jpg


My stuff:

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a191/relayer4u/IMG_0204.jpg

Time to listen now!!!

:D

^^

Very, very nice set-up relayer4u.:)

Couple of pictures:

Plus out of the box:

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a191/relayer4u/IMG_0203.jpg


My stuff:

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a191/relayer4u/IMG_0204.jpg

Time to listen now!!!

:D


Where did you get your center channel mount and for what price? It's awesome.

Also, have any of you guys looked at the svs pc12-nsd? Do you think it is comparable to the LFM-1 ex? I don't know if I can wait 45 days lol, but I will if it is worth it.

Thanks!

Thank you for your reply. I reset my receiver and redid the Aud setup. I think its working properly now. Im not sure what happened that caused it but it should be fixed now.

My receiver gives me the option to do LFE or LFE+Main which do you think is best?

Thanks again.

Eddie

Hi Eddie,

If I'm reading this right, this is the setting on your AVR that asked if you want the subwoofer channel (LFE) to go to the sub only or the sub + mains, right?

This would really depend on what type of speaker you have for your mains. I have always liked the LFE only setting and avoided the "Double Bass" setting.

Try it both ways and see what it sounds like on your equipment.

Here:

http://www.amazon.com/Sanus-VMTVB-Tilt-Swivel-Mount/dp/B000669BVW/ref=sr_1_19?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1234045763&sr=8-19

I cut 7 inches off of the arm length, re-drilled the two holes for the platform bolt, drilled and tapped 1 hole for the platform swivel mount lock screw, and it was perfect.

Yes. This is from my Denon receiver. The subwoofer channel can do LFE only or LFE+Main. I have the AV123 Rocket rs850 special. Right now my crossover is at 60hz for the fronts and then 80hz accross the board.

Are you guys doing similar crossovers? Also when I ran the Audussey Setup It placed my subwoofer levels at -15db. I thought that was odd. Where do you guys have your levels at for this?

Thanks!

Yes. This is from my Denon receiver. The subwoofer channel can do LFE only or LFE+Main. I have the AV123 Rocket rs850 special. Right now my crossover is at 60hz for the fronts and then 80hz accross the board.

Are you guys doing similar crossovers? Also when I ran the Audussey Setup It placed my subwoofer levels at -15db. I thought that was odd. Where do you guys have your levels at for this?

Thanks!
By all means, experiment to find what you prefer, but as a starting point, I'd recommend LFE only to start and 80Hz crossover on all speakers. (FWIW, Audyssey set my mains and center to Full Band, and all 4 surrounds to 40Hz.)

Regarding subwoofer at -15dB, it sounds like the gain is up too high. Turn the gain on the sub down and re-run Audyssey. My sub is at 0dB.

I'd recommend LFE only to start and 80Hz crossover on all speakers.

+1

My sub is at 0dB.

Same here.

The LFM-1 Compact arrived this morning, and I finally got it hooked up tonight (had to do some window trim painting outside today :rolleyes: ).

I'll have more to say after I get more time to play with the settings and with REW/BFD. For now, my thought is "why do I need more bass that this?!" This is not a small room: 18x13, and it's connected to an area about the same size on the right side (kitchen and eating area). 9' ceilings. I have the sub turned up 1/2 way and the output on the receiver about 2/3. Any more than that and it's just too bass heavy. To be fair, I also have the "powered bass stands" (PBS) from AV123, but they are sealed and are really more like "mini subs."

Anyway, there seems to be plenty of deep thumping bass, as well as above that where I can hear it. I put in U571 and noticed that the depth charges, as they are being dropped into the ocean, actually have a lot of low-frequencies which I never noticed before. Nice! But guys, I can't imagine an LFM1-EX in this room. Now maybe it would be nice to get a little bit lower, but this sub already shakes the floor.

Ok pics. There are plenty of "unpacking boxes pics," so I'll go easy on those. And there are nice pics in the gallery on Outlaw's site, so I won't repeat those here.

1) Here's the sub in the (black) shipping sock, next to the inner box, next to the outer box. The sub is puny compared to the shipping boxes. It would be hard to damage this sub in shipping. I left the adhesive paper on the Plexiglas top for now.

2) Here's the sub on its spikes, next to one of my PBS (with LRS bookshelf on top). Note about the spikes. Plastic, and kind of cheap-feeling. The disks that come with the sub are heavy metal, painted black, with some sort of spongy material on the side which is on the floor. I added my own black felt disks for between the plastic spikes and the sub box to prevent the sharp edges of the plastic spike from marring the bottom of the sub as they were screwed in.

3) - 6) The next set is for size comparison to some other ID subs in this class. (The other subs are cardboard models, painted black.) Left to right: LFM-1 Compact, on spikes; Hsu STF-2 (or VTF-2, same size), not on spikes; SVS PB-10 (this sub does not have spikes), and eD A2-300 (also no spikes). These models really helped me. For example, I put the A2-300 model next to our couch for a day or so, before finally deciding it was really more "big black box" than I wanted in the room. The Hsu STF-2 was my choice up until the Outlaw sale. I figured there would not be that much difference.

I'll have more later after I get the room response measurements and figure our the BFD.

Well, I could only upload five of the six pics, but that's good enough.

One more thing: I'm using a Panasonic XR55 digital amp. It has "white noise tones" which are used to set the speaker levels. I've never run these test tones with a sub before--only with my center and surrounds (left and right are "fixed" by the amp). Anyway, I used a Radio Shack meter to set the levels equally all around. When I was finished, the sub level sounded way, way, way too low, even though the meter showed it to be equal to the other speakers. I had to turn it up "by ear." (Meter had it set to 9 o'clock, where 7 o'clock is OFF. I turned it up to 12 o'clock.)

REW will be a big help.

Folks I'm a bit down right now cuz I have my 2 Outlaw LFM-1 Plus subs and my surround speakers in transit to my home, and today the unthinkable happened. My baby (Yamaha RX-V1) receiver died. It will not send a tone through the center channel and the Left Main is about 1/6th the volume of the Right Main. :(:(:(

Because i'm no electronic guy for self repair, my only recourse is to buy a new receiver. Fixing the yamaha will be more money than what it is worth. I am looking for a deal similar to the deal on the Outlaw's except for a receiver. If anyone knows of any deals happening right now, pleeeeeeease let me know. My budget is under $1k. Thanks friends. I'm trying to remain calm but man am I bummed out right now.

Will

I'll have more later after I get the room response measurements and figure our the BFD.

Thanks for the pix NCDave.

Here is a link to an article about using the BFD that might help:

http://home.comcast.net/~thomasw-2/SubwooferSetupandEQpage6.html

today the unthinkable happened. My baby (Yamaha RX-V1) receiver died. Will

Sorry to read this Will.:(:(:(

I have been very happy with my Onkyo 805 AVR. These are getting harder to find as it has been replaced by the 806.

www.shoponkyo.com (http://www.shoponkyo.com) might have some deals on AVRs...

thanks for the help larry. its frustrating because i have been submerged in subwoofer how-to's as i prepare for my system upgrade. i did not want to have to redirect my attention to learning about the latest receiver technologies, pros & cons, and what-nots. but i guess i have to.

thanks again for looking out. information like this right now is greatly appreciated. though i am gonna have to adjust my attitude seeing how there are people suffering a LOT worse than losing their a/v receiver.

Larry,

This is great seeing all these new owners posting away. Love seeing all the new pictures of these set-ups. This thread finally has some new life! For awhile there I thought it was going to just be the two of us answering everyone's questions. Looks like we are going to be busy helping out the new family members.

^^

Get ready for the REW/BFD questions.....

Folks I'm a bit down right now cuz I have my 2 Outlaw LFM-1 Plus subs and my surround speakers in transit to my home, and today the unthinkable happened. My baby (Yamaha RX-V1) receiver died. It will not send a tone through the center channel and the Left Main is about 1/6th the volume of the Right Main. :(:(:(

Because i'm no electronic guy for self repair, my only recourse is to buy a new receiver. Fixing the yamaha will be more money than what it is worth. I am looking for a deal similar to the deal on the Outlaw's except for a receiver. If anyone knows of any deals happening right now, pleeeeeeease let me know. My budget is under $1k. Thanks friends. I'm trying to remain calm but man am I bummed out right now.

WillI just picked up a Pioneer Elite VSX-03TXH delivered to my door for well under $600 from a authorize dealer. There was a bunch of us on this forum who purchased from him. If interested PM me. Check out this receiver it is beautiful. http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Products/HomeEntertainment/AV-Receivers/EliteReceivers/ci.VSX-03TXH.Kuro

^^

Get ready for the REW/BFD questions.....

Not from me. There is so much info at HT Shack, there's no point in posting any questions here. :)

Here is a link to an article about using the BFD that might help:

http://home.comcast.net/~thomasw-2/SubwooferSetupandEQpage6.html

Thanks! That's a very concise guide. I'll be using REW with a USB-to-Midi cable to send the filter parameters to the BFD. I got a pretty good deal on a BFD, Midi cable, and a couple XLR/RCA adapters from smithb. I've used REW before to check out my room response (which is pretty bad).

One thing I am looking for is an inexpensive power strip or box which is controllable by an IR remote. Then I can get the BFD to turn on together with my receiver (which does not have a switchable outlet.) I've only seen one such adapter (a white one, a bit larger than a large wall wart), but it comes direct from China, and I'm suspect of the quality.

Not from me. There is so much info at HT Shack, there's no point in posting any questions here. :)

;) Perfect, that's where we would be directing people to start reading and posting their questions.

One thing I am looking for is an inexpensive power strip or box which is controllable by an IR remote. Then I can get the BFD to turn on together with my receiver (which does not have a switchable outlet.)

Check these out.

http://catalog.bitsltd.us/catalog/SMART/power_strips/lbgs/SCG3.html

http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_00924031000P?BV

I am looking at option #1 for my four eq's, external amps, etc. :D

Check these out.

http://catalog.bitsltd.us/catalog/SMART/power_strips/lbgs/SCG3.html

http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_00924031000P?BV

I am looking at option #1 for my four eq's, external amps, etc. :D

HA! Perfect! I didn't know these existed. I was thinking I needed an IR remote-controlled jobbie, but these should work just fine. I guess they sense the current draw on the main outlet and switch on the peripheral ones. Cool!

Here's a little bigger version. And these might be adjustable (sensitivity, for low-power devices). A couple comments on the Craftsman device indicated it was not sensitive enough and could not be adjusted.

http://www.amazon.com/Smart-Strip-LCG3-Autoswitching-Technology/dp/B0006PUDQK/ref=pd_cp_hi_1?pf_rd_p=413863601&pf_rd_s=center-41&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=B000P1QJXQ&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=0G0SN7365K3HAXGYNBB6

Buffman,
Regarding your dead receiver...
I've been very happy with my Denon DD/DTS unit for about 9 years. I also have a Yamaha that worked well, but the tuner died in it. If I was to do it again, I'd likely try one of the Outlaw units to be honest, or maybe go with a Denon again. I believe Outlaw actually started as a receiver/amp company and later got into subs with the design help of Hsu.

I just picked up a Pioneer Elite VSX-03TXH delivered to my door for well under $600 from a authorize dealer. There was a bunch of us on this forum who purchased from him. If interested PM me. Check out this receiver it is beautiful. http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Products/HomeEntertainment/AV-Receivers/EliteReceivers/ci.VSX-03TXH.Kuro
thanks jwv. i am researching now. i will get back with you on this one. thanks again for looking out for me.

Buffman,
Regarding your dead receiver...
I've been very happy with my Denon DD/DTS unit for about 9 years. I also have a Yamaha that worked well, but the tuner died in it. If I was to do it again, I'd likely try one of the Outlaw units to be honest, or maybe go with a Denon again. I believe Outlaw actually started as a receiver/amp company and later got into subs with the design help of Hsu.
hmmmm....hadn't even considered that boarder. i will have to hop on over to their site and take a look at their receivers.

this leads me into an interesting topic. seeing how i have 2 plus' coming, am i best served buying a receiver with dual subwoofer outputs?

If you looking for a new receiver, I would look here for onkyo and marantz stuff. They are authorized dealers and carry warrantied refurbished stuff:

http://www.accessories4less.com//index.php?page=category&id=AVReceiver&p=1&template=

I got my Denon on amazon from another authorized dealer...

thanks jwv. i am researching now. i will get back with you on this one. thanks again for looking out for me.No problem. I also have a Yamaha RX-V1800 but I prefer the Pioneer Elite. I feel it has a more open sound field when it comes to 5.1 and 7.1. Check out the Pioneer thread. The guy that sells them is named Will his company is in Green bay Wisc. :)

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1051483

this leads me into an interesting topic. seeing how i have 2 plus' coming, am i best served buying a receiver with dual subwoofer outputs?

Hi buffman, I would not let that be a deal killer on an otherwise great deal.

Hi buffman, I would not let that be a deal killer on an otherwise great deal.
i agree with you larry. upon further research, it is proven that there is no direct benefit to having 2 subwoofer ports as opposed to one. utilizing a splitter does the job just fine.

thanks everyone for helping me out. i've decided to go with the yamaha rx-v663. thanks again.

As I patiently wait (okay, not patiently but I AM waiting:D) for new dual EX's to arrive at their new home, I've been reading up on the SMS-1, BFD, REW, Anti-Mode, etc, and then I came across this thead:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1017689


My Onkyo 876 has MultiEQ XT, which I am very happy with in my room, sounds great to me.

Only thing I don't like so much is the overemphasis on bass when you switch Dynamic Eq or Dynamic volume on, but it's all good. Mostly it's noticable to me in peoples voices out of the center channel, but it does add a boost to the sub as well.

But back to the question: Should I assume I have no need for further equalization? I guess I can always install and run REW but I have no laptop so that may be a problem.

Thanks for any input guys, much for me to learn here!

Should I assume I have no need for further equalization?
isn't this something that a spl meter can easily tell you? from what i've been reading, it seems that holding a spl meter at listening postion with your tonal test running will show you any nulls present. it wont give you detailed information or allow you to address it, but it is an initial analysis to any existing problem.

Should I assume I have no need for further equalization?

Nope.

REW showed me how Audyssey was having a negative impact on my sub in my room. YMMV :)

EDIT: I forgot to mention that with two subs on the way, REW is really going to help you with placement.

isn't this something that a spl meter can easily tell you? from what i've been reading, it seems that holding a spl meter at listening postion with your tonal test running will show you any nulls present. it wont give you detailed information or allow you to address it, but it is an initial analysis to any existing problem.

I would recommend a simple camera tripod to secure the SPL meter at ear height. I have played the individual tones as well as run REW...REW is a much better window into your room response.

thanks everyone for helping me out. i've decided to go with the yamaha rx-v663. thanks again.

Very nice choice.:)

I have 2 LFM-1 EX subs being delivered tomorrow...my wife wants me to place them on each side of our main viewing sofa, to use as end table's, with a lamp on each unit. My question is: How much vibration do these subs put out. Could they actually be used as end tables ? Has anyone ever done this ?

As I patiently wait (okay, not patiently but I AM waiting:D) for new dual EX's to arrive at their new home, I've been reading up on the SMS-1, BFD, REW, Anti-Mode, etc, and then I came across this thead:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1017689


My Onkyo 876 has MultiEQ XT, which I am very happy with in my room, sounds great to me.

Only thing I don't like so much is the overemphasis on bass when you switch Dynamic Eq or Dynamic volume on, but it's all good. Mostly it's noticable to me in peoples voices out of the center channel, but it does add a boost to the sub as well.

But back to the question: Should I assume I have no need for further equalization? I guess I can always install and run REW but I have no laptop so that may be a problem.

Thanks for any input guys, much for me to learn here!
Since you have MultiEQ XT, you might as well give it a try and see if you like the results before investing in outboard equipment. If you haven't seen it yet, here's a link to the "Official" Audyssey Thread, which should be helpful:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=795421

My Onkyo TX-SR606 only has Audyssey 2EQ, which doesn't EQ the sub, so I use a BFD.

As for Dynamic EQ, it was fun to hear all the low-end rumble when I first got the 606, but eventually Dynamic EQ seemed too bass heavy so I stopped using it.

Recently, I also turned off the Audyssey EQ and it was like getting a new pair of speakers - it was almost as if a blanket were taken off. Dialog is more clear at lower volumes, the soundstage is expanded.

Of course, that's just my system and opinion. As always, YMMV in your own environment.

My question is: How much vibration do these subs put out. Could they actually be used as end tables ? Has anyone ever done this ?

They make a very nice end table until the movie starts.:D

Recently, I also turned off the Audyssey EQ and it was like getting a new pair of speakers - it was almost as if a blanket were taken off. Dialog is more clear at lower volumes, the soundstage is expanded.

Of course, that's just my system and opinion. As always, YMMV in your own environment.

Well said and I completely agree.:)

I have been reading the posts and they are really helpful. I finally pulled the trigger last week and ordered an EX. It will be delivered next Thursday. I will follow the instructions posted here and calibrate it as much as possible.

While waiting for the EX for my main HT, I also ordered Polk DSW Pro 600 from an online seller for $430 ish. It is in backorder for one week and I have the option to cancel it. This is for a family room of size 20X15X9 (H) with big openning to the kitchen. No heavy bass will be played there. It is mostly for music and karaoke. There are so many good words about the LFM compact here so I startred to wonder if I should cancel the polk and get the compact, while it is still available for $319. They have mostly the same specs. See below. The pro of the polk is that it has a nicer look, comes with a remote, and matches the existing fronts (Polk RTi-10) and center (Polk CSi2 or something). The pro of the compact is the price and probably tighter outcome. I know there are very few people who may have audited both but just want to throw out the question here. Maybe I will be lucky enough to get some comments from you. I am not considering the plus and the EX because they are both backordered for 45 days now.

Main specs of the DSW Pro 600:
Driver Type: Down or Front Firing, 12 " Woofer
Amplifier Power Rating: 250W RMS
Frequency Response: 25Hz. -125Hz. +/- 3 dB
Dimensions: (HxWxD) 17" x 16.5 " x 16.6 "
Weight: 45 lbs

Main specs of the LFM Compact:

Driver Type: Down Firing, 10 " Woofer
Amplifier Power Rating: 225W RMS
Frequency Response: 25Hz. -180Hz. +/- 2 dB
Dimensions: (HxWxD) 16.75" x 13 " x 19 "
Weight: 38 lbs

Hello,

I have done some research and found they typical, " I have narrowed it down to:

SVS pb10nsd 429.00
Outlaw LFM Compact 319.00
HSU VTF-1 449.00
HSU STF-2 299.00 Too Small?
Outlaw LFM Plus 439.00 Too Big?

I have a room size of 12x16 with 10 ceilings.

Trying to keep budget down around 450 or less

Outlaw seems to have the better pricing, but SVS gets lots of love here.

HSU has god prices as well, but not as much mention as SVS or Outlaw.

Any help would be appreciated, Thanks!


Receiver - Denon AVR - 2309CI
Speakers - Paradigm Mini Monitors & CC290

I have a room size of 12x16 with 10 ceilings.

I am in a room 15' x 20' x 10' with (2) LFM-1 Plus subs and (2) LFM-1 EX subs and I still think I NEED more.:eek::D:eek:

IMHO, the LFM-1 EX (for 519 bucks delivered) is the best bet for your room size. Unfortunately, you'll have to wait 45 days.:(

I miss my original Outlaw Audio LFM-1 that I sold to my little brother...I took the plunge on an LFM-1 Plus...hard to beat the price and I never had need for anything more with the original LFM-1 so I couldn't talk myself into the EX...you guys are a bad influence...enablers!...:D
Bill

They make a very nice end table until the movie starts.:DI hear ya. :D

I hear ya. :D

I have had plenty of items go flying with that smooth Plexiglas top.

It adds a bit of realism to what you're watching and feeling as you hear the glass break.:p

I miss my original Outlaw Audio LFM-1 that I sold to my little brother...I took the plunge on an LFM-1 Plus...hard to beat the price and I never had need for anything more with the original LFM-1 so I couldn't talk myself into the EX...you guys are a bad influence...enablers!...:D
Bill

Welcome back Bill...:)

We really are a bad influence around here.:eek::D:eek:

thanks everyone for helping me out. i've decided to go with the yamaha rx-v663. thanks again.

I've been using the 663 for awhile now. Major bang for the buck (at about $350 from 6th Ave. Elec.). It has performed wonderfully for music, movies, video games, etc. And very few problems reported by owners in the owners thread.

Separately, this Outlaw thread should be pretty active for a good while, with all the new Outlaw subs being ordered lately. What a bargain they are with this current sale. Let us know what you all think once you get yours.

jeffrey r thanks for the vote of confidence on my purchase!

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well gang here we go with my questions on eq'ing these bad boy dual plus' i got coming. i am trying to prepare myself before they get here as much as possible. so in short i got a buddy who works in audio/video who will assist me in getting these setup. i will be using his professional SPL, a ecm8000, a m-audio fast track pro (http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/FastTrackPro.html), and the REW software [although he says that we can use his pro tools software (http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/ProToolsMPowered8.html) ].

if he had available the izotop ozone software (http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/iZotopeOzone4.html) to accompany the m-audio device, then it would probably be better than using REW, but i don't believe protools is the type of software i am looking for. hopefully then REW will work well with the m-audio device. the reason for my concern is that the m-audio device utilizes a usb interface with the pc and its software is designed to capture this information. i am uncertain if REW can capture the information via the usb port as well or will REW look for a sound card to get its information from.

any help is appreciated.

SVS pb10nsd 429.00
Outlaw LFM Compact 319.00
HSU VTF-1 449.00
HSU STF-2 299.00 Too Small?
Outlaw LFM Plus 439.00 Too Big?

pay no attention to my post cinemafreak cuz i am new to all of this. that said, and if you are still reading :) i wouldn't sleep on the STF-2 for a small room size. i too was considering all of the ones you mentioned and the stf-2 was my first option until 1) i determined that the space i am filling is too large for the stf-2 and 2) what a heck of a deal they ran on the plus! & ex. which forced my hand.

in all honesty though i was going to get the ex until i stumbled upon someone in the classifieds selling 2 plus' in prestine condition for a slap-you-down-and-stuff-grits-down-your-throat-heck-of-a-deal :eek:

Hello,

I have done some research and found they typical, " I have narrowed it down to:

SVS pb10nsd 429.00
Outlaw LFM Compact 319.00
HSU VTF-1 449.00
HSU STF-2 299.00 Too Small?
Outlaw LFM Plus 439.00 Too Big?

I have a room size of 12x16 with 10 ceilings.

Trying to keep budget down around 450 or less

Outlaw seems to have the better pricing, but SVS gets lots of love here.

HSU has god prices as well, but not as much mention as SVS or Outlaw.

Any help would be appreciated, Thanks!


Receiver - Denon AVR - 2309CI
Speakers - Paradigm Mini Monitors & CC290

You didn't include shipping costs in your comparison. The free shipping on the Outlaw (through Midnight tonight) was a real deal maker for me.

;)

I think the Outlaw sale is over at midnight Monday...wonder if that means it is over now (12:00 AM "Monday" comes right after 11:59 PM Sunday...or if there is still time...)
Bill

i think that as the original person to post about the sale, I should be getting some sort of kickback based on how many people bought them from this forum...:D

I think the Outlaw sale is over at midnight Monday...wonder if that means it is over now (12:00 AM "Monday" comes right after 11:59 PM Sunday...or if there is still time...)
Bill

I just made the purchase a few minutes ago, and it was the sale price. Now my patience will be tested. 45 days, man I am crazy.

I ordered an EX yesterday.. I hate waiting for stuff. 45 days is going to drive me crazy.

How would 2x Outlaw LFM Exs stack up against 2x ED 2 300s?

Estimated date of delivery for 2 EX's: 2/13/09

I am very excite!


Just as a heads up guys, when I got the email with the tracking numbers the numbers were wrong. I've been checking the Fedex site since last week and it kept saying No record. I thought this was weird after having gotten the email 5 days ago, so I called Outlaw. They sent me the wrong numbers.

So if your tracking numbers aren't showing on the Fedex site after several days I would check with Outlaw. Same thing may have happenned to you.

Come to papa!:D

My Ex is being used as a side table. It works fine if the items on the table are heavy enough. It is on hardwood floors though so Im not sure if that effects the vibration. My house has little to no vibration regardless of how loud I put it at.

I give up. Sale prices too good to pass up. Couldn't resist. Another new Outlaw customer - even if just a LFM 1 compact. OTOH, I don't have to wait 45 days to get it!

How would 2x Outlaw LFM Exs stack up against 2x ED 2 300s?
FWIW, I bought my LFM-1 EX when it was $599 with free shipping and eD was offering two A2-300s for $600 with free shipping. I chose one EX (let alone two) over two A2-300s for the following reasons:

* Believe that one bigger/better sub is better than two lesser subs.
* HSU design
* 16Hz rated response
* More powerful amp
* Tunable (Maximum Extension or Maximum Output)
* Down-firing port (less potential for chuffing)
* Exponentially better finish/aesthetics
* Conversations with each company's tech/customer service
* Reviewing the respective Outlaw/eD threads on AVS. I was looking to tweak (it's a big part of the fun for me) and it seemed more like the enthusiasts were here.

Of course, your situation will likely be different, but that's why I chose Outlaw. Hope this is helpful.

I give up. Sale prices too good to pass up. Couldn't resist. Another new Outlaw customer - even if just a LFM 1 compact. OTOH, I don't have to wait 45 days to get it!

Congrats hanesian. Me too. Ordered the LFM-1 compact last night. My budget for the Plus or EX just wasn't there, nor the available space in my living room. I'm coming from a 7yr old Kenwood HTIB, so I can't wait to see how this puppy plays with my new Infinity P362's. I just hope the obsessions stops there. :D

I just hope the obsessions stops there. :D

Amen. :p

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