Hey guys,
I just thought I would start an Outlaw owner's thread since I searched and didn't find one. I noticed there have been more inquiries about this brand lately and that a thread like this would have really helped me in my recent search. So.. if you have an Outlaw subwoofer or know anything about it, chime in! :)

I own a LFM-2 that is used in a 2.1 bedroom system, and I'm very, very pleased with it.

And I just ordered a LFM-1 Plus last night...

At $499 it was a deal I couldn't pass up. It's going to be replacing an Adire Rava in the living room. Not that there's anything wrong with the Rava, I think it's a good sub - very study and well made - but, it was my first sub and I chose to go with a sealed design.

In hind sight, given the size and nature of the room and the fact that it is used more for HT than music, I think a vented design with more output might work better. I'm eager to get the LFM-1 plus and see how they compare. If it sounds as good as the LFM-2, but on a bigger scale for the bigger room, I'll be thrilled.

Hey eyebomb,
I just got mine yesterday and am thrilled with it's performance. I can't imagine needing anything bigger unless I move into a mansion or go deaf :p Until then I know this baby will fill my home theatre with all the low freq I will ever need. By the way, i've also been listening to my Marvin Gaye and Santana DVDA and this blends seamlessly with the Polk Lsi 15 towers.

Interesting eyebomb, as I have both a Rava and an LFM-1 (not the + model). IMO the Rava sounds tighter, and it does go lower in my room, my Velodyne SMS-1 shows output to 22 hz before rolling off on the Rava, and down to 25hz with the LFM-1. I'm sure the LFM-1 plus goes lower though. I prefer the Rava overall, but both are great subs for the $. I'm actually in the process of upgrading them both to a pair of TC sounds TC-12 drivers, each in a 2.5 cf sealed enclosure (I prefer the sound quality of sealed subs) and each powered by a buttkicker amp.

deneb, thanks for the information. I'm not surprised the Rava sounds tighter; that's one of the reasons I chose the Rava a few years ago - I can't stand loose, boomy bass when listening to music.

However, I've ended up using my main system more for HT than music as I usually put on the headphones for music listening (my wife rarely wants to hear my music cranked up as loudly as I do).

My system is in my living room, which is an "acoustically challenged" space. The sub is up against a wall that is really only 3/4 of a wall (it separates the living room and kitchen and is topped by a plant shelf kind of thing). That whole space (living room and kitchen) share a large vaulted ceiling. I think the Rava has a hard time generating the "oomph" to fill it as much as I would like. By comparison, the LFM-2 we have in our bedroom sounds incredible. The bedroom is a medium-sized room and the LFM-2 is up against a fully structural wall, near the corner.

I'm hoping that the LFM-1 Plus has the extra output to sound a little better for HT than the Rava. I'll experiment with the different tunings (plug, no plug) to see which sounds better.

I really can't say enough about how pleased I am with the LFM-2 in our bedroom. I highly recommend that sub for a small room application. I have it paired with a pair of HTD (Home Theater Direct) bookshelfs - the now discontinued Level 4's - that I'm also very pleased with.

I'll be sure to post back with my thoughts on the LFM-1 Plus when it arrives and I've had some time to play with it.

Anyone know if Outlaw is putting out a pre/pro that will be having HDMI anytime soon? I would have jumped on the 990 a long time ago, but nobody uses DVI anymore.

Thoughts?

Just ordered the LFM-1 Plus. The price was right for $499. I now have an entire home theater system sitting in boxes waiting for my house to get finished!

Just ordered the LFM-1 Plus. The price was right for $499. I now have an entire home theater system sitting in boxes waiting for my house to get finished!
Congratulations on a great sub. I'm really enjoying mine. Let us know what your set up is.

I just got my LFM-1 Plus on Thursday. It's my first sub, so the honeymoon's not over yet. I was afraid of getting sloppy sounding bass, but so far I'm having fun with it for music. Will be running it's paces in HT soon, and I'm confident there will be no problem there.

Paul,

I would wait until the fall and check out everyone's offerings. I tried a 970 and it was nice but my TV (Sony) was not tolerant of the DVI switching, in addition the unit suffered from what Outlaw calls the "no audio" bug. I was told by Outlaw that a DVI based KVM switch should trick the TV into thinking that the video signal was always there but they couldn't give me a timeframe for the software patch so I had to return it. It sounded great but I couldn't deal with it's shortcomings. DVI is dead so just wait for units with HDMI 1.3.

Ron

Congratulations on a great sub. I'm really enjoying mine. Let us know what your set up is.

I have a new house and a baby on the way so I had to keep my budget tight. My theme was best bang for the buck.

A friend of mine had a home theater room built and installed in-wall Sonance speakers. They come in pairs, so to get fronts, rears, and a center, he had to buy 3 pair leaving him with an extra speaker. I knew I wanted to go with in-wall for aesthetics, but had no idea where to start. Well, said I could have his extra speaker, so that made my decision real easy :) I know a lot of people frown on in-wall set ups and if I hadn't heard these myself, I wouldn't have considered them. The rears are in-ceiling, but the speakers pivot and they'll be installed on a vaulted ceiling, so they will angle on 2 axis and their main footprint will be much larger than the "flashlight" cone pointing straight down.

I never would have guessed when I started doing research that I would end up with a JVC receiver, but it got great reviews, uses a digital amp so it's very small and is supposed to sound very clean, supports HDMI switching, and came in at a MUCH lower price than models with similar features. Plus I found a website that sells refurbished models and got it for $320.

I lied; there are two components I don't have yet: DVD player and TV. I don't think I need to explain why I'm going with an Oppo DVD player, but I'll have it in a couple of weeks. I've decided to go with the Sony KDS-60A2020 rear projection LCD TV. Again, great reviews, HDMI inputs, 1080p native resolution, and price seems right. Ultimate Electronics has the older A2000 model on sale for $1900 which I'd REALLY love to get, but I think I have to wait (stupid bills and groceries and gas). I have a Hitachi rear projection HDTV and a Panasonic LCD HDTV that I can make due with for now.

Speakers
Fronts/Center
Sonance Symphony S623T (in-wall) (http://www.sonance.com/subs/product_details.php?product_id=318)

Rears
Sonance Symphony S623TR (in-ceiling) (http://www.sonance.com/subs/product_details.php?product_id=310)

Sub
Outlaw, of course! (http://www.outlawaudio.com/products/lfm1plus.html)

Receiver
JVC RX-D702B (http://www.jvc.com/product.jsp?modelId=MODL027461&pathId=5&page=1)

DVD Player
Oppo DV-981HD (http://www.oppodigital.com/dv981hd/dv981hd_index.html)

TV
Sony KDS-60A2020 (http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/SY_DisplayProductInformation-Start;sid=UjQ8XrNxAjk8_fUg3Y02Vfx_ZkPObg6MTms=?CategoryName= tv_ProjectionTVs_RearProjection_55to80TVs&ProductSKU=KDS60A2020&Dept=tvvideo&INT=sstyle-tv-deptfeature-KDS60A2020|sstyle:sy_cat_content_p:tv)

Any sub pics??? Actual in use not web?? Especially close up for detail in craftsmanship.

I'm another guy with an LFM-1+ "in the mail", it should be here on the 30th. I'm going to be matching it with a set of Aperion towers, center and dipole/bipole surrounds. I jumped on the Outlaw after hearing about the sale but unfortunently, another key component to my system is an Onkyo TX-SR805 AVR and it doesn't look like that'll ship until the end of June. So, I'll have a rather large black box sitting around ticking my wife off for over a month until I can make it make sounds and really tick her off. Looking forward to hearing your experiences in setting this sub up and calming the wife down.

I just received the LFM-1 plus and have been enjoying it. My current setup is NHT SB-3s for the front and HDP-2 surrounds with an Integra 8.2 receiver. The sub blends nicely for music and home theater....not calling undo attention to itself for music but slamming when a movie soundtrack calls for it.

My old sub was a Sunfire mk1 that has been giving me trouble for the last couple of years. To my ears the outlaw has much cleaner bass output and I like the new end table for the living room. I have a smallish living room and the outlaw provides all of the low end I need for the square footage. The total cost of $565 was also a pretty good deal.....The sunfire is currently getting factory service and will promptly be sold once it returns.

I have been using LFM-1 for my other two channel stereo setup and it performed flawlessly. I have separate HT room with differents subs but someday I like to put LFM-1 into my HT actions and compare them. If you are looking for most bang for the buck, Outlaw products are excellent choice.

I've officially joined the club. After a few weeks of research, I found that the LFM-1 Plus was the right choice for me. I am well versed in car audio yet I'm somewhat of a noob to the home audio game. When I saw JL Audio was making subs for HT, I had to take a look at them. I have 2 W-7's in my car and the wifey's car has 3 W-3's (yeah, I'm a bass head). But I quickly realized they would be WAAAAYYYYYY out of my price range.

Needless to say, it all led to me purchasing the Plus late last night. Which leads me to a question. How long did the shipping take for some of you guys? I live in CA so if there are any west coasters in here maybe you could let me know. Also, what shipping method is used? Thanks in advance! 100!

I bought the LFM-1 Plus on its last day of sale - 5/31/07. I got it about a week later. It's now sitting downstairs in my family room. For a while, I was running a 0.1 HTS. That's right, no speakers. I hooked up my just-received Onkyo TX-SR 605 receiver and a Sony Discman CD player. I'm using crappy cabling. This is all temp. until my 5 AV123 x-series floorstanding speakers (a pair should arrive any day now) and get quality cables from MonoPrice.com.

During this weekend, I got tired of listening to only sub-120 Hz content from my CDs (see above post). So I hooked up a pair of old JVC speakers (from a shelf stereo system) and am now enjoying 2.1 sound - still playing CDs from that Sony Discman as a source. I can't hook it up to the TV b/c my cables aren't long enough. And since my soon-will-be-replaced TV is CRT, I don't want to place the sub close to it since I assume the Outlaw sub is not magnetically shielded.

The sub has been performing great. I hooked up a Radio Shack SPL meter to my aforementioned 2.1 HTS and have registered upper 100s dB. I can't push it too loud b/c the sub is rattling the hell out of its feet (standing on the carpet spikes and discs it came with) and my ceramic floor tile. Even though the bottom of the discs is rubber, it's still causing massive vibration that can only be cured if I put half my body weight on the top of the sub. Any suggestions? I don't want to remove the discs b/c I'm thinking the spikes may damage my floor tiles. TIA.

The sub has been performing great. I hooked up a Radio Shack SPL meter to my aforementioned 2.1 HTS and have registered upper 100s dB. I can't push it too loud b/c the sub is rattling the hell out of its feet (standing on the carpet spikes and discs it came with) and my ceramic floor tile. Even though the bottom of the discs is rubber, it's still causing massive vibration that can only be cured if I put half my body weight on the top of the sub. Any suggestions? I don't want to remove the discs b/c I'm thinking the spikes may damage my floor tiles. TIA.


Auralex Gramma?

I also use the auralex gramma to isolate the LFM1+ from my raised plywood sub structure and it made a difference in the resonace of the floor, greatly reducing it.

For the sub shipping, my unit came from Irvine and got to me in a couple of days, I forget which carrier was used.

Auralex Gramma?
Do you mean this (http://www.auralex.com/sound_isolation_gramma/sound_isolation_gramma.asp)? That looks like an interesting product. I assume you'd put the sub w/ carpet spikes (but no discs) right on this riser. Thanks - I'll look into it. :)

I live out here in southern california as well and got my sub a couple of days after ordering it. I called to check when it was shipping only to find out it was already at my house with my wife! :D By the way, I still love this sub. I am having a hard time nailing everything down b/c when this baby hits hard and low things start rattling like crazy. All my friends are blown away by this beauty.

Do you mean That looks like an interesting product. I assume you'd put the sub w/ carpet spikes (but no discs) right on this riser. Thanks - I'll look into it. :)

Yes, the "new" version of the gramma is the same size as the older version of the subdude. I purchased mine at guitar center, they had 3 in stock when I went to buy one, so they seem to be common amongst the live band crowds. I use the same spikes that come with the sub and just drop it on top of the gramma.

Yes, the "new" version of the gramma is the same size as the older version of the subdude. I purchased mine at guitar center, they had 3 in stock when I went to buy one, so they seem to be common amongst the live band crowds. I use the same spikes that come with the sub and just drop it on top of the gramma.
Thanks, that's what I figured. The only problem I can foresee is that with the Gramma, the height of the sub might be too tall. Normally, it's no big deal. But I plan to put the sub right next to a DLP TV I'll soon purchase. That TV will be wider than my TV stand and will "spill over" into the air above the sub. It might be a close call if the Gramma riser is 2.75" tall. The carpet spikes probably go right through the Gramma, I'd imagine, unless that riser is very solid.

Thanks, that's what I figured. The only problem I can foresee is that with the Gramma, the height of the sub might be too tall. Normally, it's no big deal. But I plan to put the sub right next to a DLP TV I'll soon purchase. That TV will be wider than my TV stand and will "spill over" into the air above the sub. It might be a close call if the Gramma riser is 2.75" tall. The carpet spikes probably go right through the Gramma, I'd imagine, unless that riser is very solid.

The platform of the gramma is plywood, the spikes will not go thru it. Thus, the height will be the sub height plus the height of the gramma.

The platform of the gramma is plywood, the spikes will not go thru it. Thus, the height will be the sub height plus the height of the gramma.
Ahh, I see. I thought it was like a thick cork material where spikes could penetrate it like a nail. I'm going to measure my TV stand and then go to a store to measure the "feet" of the Samsung DLP TV I'm looking to buy, and see if that height would clear the sub + 2.75" (rounded off to 3") for the Gramma.

I've been enjoying my LFM-1 Plus for a couple months now and I still think it's the best audio purchase I've made in a very long time. Great value too! It's working very well with my REL Storm III. My bass response in the room is much more balanced now. I watch Superman Returns on HD DVD the other night and rocked the house! :D

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I've been enjoying my LFM-1 Plus for a couple months now and I still think it's the best audio purchase I've made in a very long time. Great value too! It's working very well with my REL Storm III. My bass response in the room is much more balanced now. I watch Superman Returns on HD DVD the other night and rocked the house! :D

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I'm loving mine too. It doesn't get much buzz on these boards, but for its price it's tough to beat. It absolutely rocks on the Nine Inch Nails blu-ray in TrueHD. I think with the reputation of Hsu and SVS, Outlaw needs to keep these subs on sale if they want to remain competitive (like they did with their $499 special on the LFM-1 Plus). That was a killer deal. I wish I had the funds at the time to buy two for $949. I also like the down firing ports and woofer. I don't dig the sidefiring woofer and ports of the Hsu, which is one reason I didn't get the VTF-3 MkIII (even if it does edge out the LFM-1 Plus in performance). The down-firing arrangement of the Outlaw makes it more flexible in placement, something important for those of us who move often.

I've read that the LFM-1 Plus sub is equivalent to the Hsu VTF 3.2 sub. Is it any coincident that Hsu no longer sells the VTF 3.2?

Hey guys, just wanted to know if this is a good deal. ebay item# 290141198355 its a LFM1 for $300 new.

Yeah, that is a good deal, if I had the cash I would by another one.

Contacted the seller, he said hes got a container full of em, thats why hes selling them cheap.

Contacted the seller, he said hes got a container full of em, thats why hes selling them cheap.

Why/how does he have a container full of them to sell cheap? Just curious.

Why/how does he have a container full of them to sell cheap? Just curious.
I wonder if those subs "fell off the truck". :eek:

I mentioned I had a nasty vibration problem w/ the Outlaw LFM-1 Plus sub in the way its disc feet was vibrating w/ the ceramic tile floor, and how the sub tended to walk on its own during heavy bass. Yesterday, I stuck rubber pieces (that are double-sided taped on the top side) to the foam part of the feet. However, I was having a hard time balancing the sub on those smaller square rubber pads. (It did fix the vibration and walking issue.) So today, I took a car floor mat and put them directly under the sub's carpet spikes (w/o the discs). I assume the floor mats are protecting the tiles. I'll find out the next time I get a helping hand who can lift the sub so that I can evaluate how the floor mat and floor look w/ that heavy sub on spikes resting on it.

This sub's feet was very poorly designed for those with a hard floor surface. It's made for carpeted floors.

Hey guys, just wanted to know if this is a good deal. ebay item# 290141198355 its a LFM1 for $300 new.


Did you get it? Thats a pretty good deal. Its a good sub, and the warranty id transferrable.

I just ordered one and was told that he has a quite abit more and trying to test the subs before they go out. If you contact the seller he will post one on the page just for you. Make sure that when they notify you that you buy immediately because they go fast.
Good luck everyone.

The used ones go for 200.00 plus shipping.

I just ordered one and was told that he has a quite abit more and trying to test the subs before they go out. If you contact the seller he will post one on the page just for you. Make sure that when they notify you that you buy immediately because they go fast.
Good luck everyone.

The used ones go for 200.00 plus shipping.

I left 2 messages over the last 3 days with no response. Busted? lol

I left 2 messages over the last 3 days with no response. Busted? lol


I just received ups tracking and it will be here on wednesday, I'll give you an update.

I just received ups tracking and it will be here on wednesday, I'll give you an update.


Thats a good sign..
How do you contact? through e-bay correct?

Yeah, they are a llittle slow about emailing you back but they will get to you. I'll contact them to see if I can release a phone # in your pm. They have sold quite a few locally and are getting quite a few emails.

Yeah, they are a llittle slow about emailing you back but they will get to you. I'll contact them to see if I can release a phone # in your pm. They have sold quite a few locally and are getting quite a few emails.

Cool...Thanks.

The seller is going to post the subs on ebay under seller turboed45. He told me he has about 10-15 to sell. Good luck.

I just received my sub in fantastic condition and performance is great too. Looks like new. There is one on ebay right now. Good luck.

I got 2 LFM-1's on the way.
Ripg, how does yours sound?

I got 2 LFM-1's on the way.
Ripg, how does yours sound?


It sounds awesome. Watched 300 today with some teenagers and they were very scared when the bass kicked in. They thought we were going through a earthquake. Like you I have two and these, when placed correctly is one of the better home theater experiences I've had in a while. For music I only use one but movies I let them both tear my room apart. These things shake every wall in my house and sound good doing so. I went to BB today to buy more movies, went to the magnolia room and was recommended to some DefTech sub. The only sub that I heard that I was impressed with was a Velo 15(don't know the model) but it sold for 1000.00. "I'll take the dual Outlaw LFM-1 for 500.00 Alex." :D I know you'll be very happy. Good luck and welcome to the Outlaw Familia. :cool:

I got an e-mail from Outlaw last week (as I'm sure some of you did as well) where they mentioned the new LFM-1 Compact (http://www.outlawaudio.com/products/lfmcompact.html) sub that will sell. It's got a 10" woofer, 225 W amp, and sells for $400. That still seems a little expensive, but is still a considerable savings from the $550 LFM-1 Plus.

On the high end, the $650 LFM-1 EX (http://www.outlawaudio.com/products/lfmEX.html) sub seems pricey. It goes 2 Hz deeper (i.e. to 16 Hz) than LFM-1 Plus due to the bigger cabinet, but costs $100 more and has the same 350 W amp.

My neighbor just had his delivered last week (LFM-EX). He has a party that I missed on Saturday night but when I got home at 10:00 PM the party was full on. He runs his HT in his living room and it points away from my house. I usually can’t hear much bass (he already had 2 12" subs). But I'll tell you what; I could hear that Outlaw rattling my house. There was a point that I could tell he was showing it off and he jacked it up and I heard it quite well. Out houses are a good 15' apart and very well insulated (2 years old). It takes a lot to punch sound through it.

I’m gonna have to go buy me 2 of them now to pay him back :)

Just picked up my own LFM-1-EX... it is sweet!

Just picked up my own LFM-1-EX... it is sweet!

Cool, have you played a variety of material on it? How would does it sound now that you've broken it in a little?

I think the title I have enjoyed my LFM-1 EX the most with thus far is The Descent... not a ton of bass, but when one of the climbers fell into a pool of water I could really feel it. Maybe it is because it is breaking in, or maybe it is the first decent movie I have watched all the way through since setting it up!

I will post more impressions after I calibrate it properly. For now I just put in in the corner (the only place it could go) and set the volume by ear. I have calibration hardware enroute so that should help out a lot.

Sounds good, lanion. I haven't seen "The Descent" yet. How's the sub for musical applications? On paper, it looks like a very good sub. I just wish Outlaw gave it a better amp (say 400 W RMS) to justify the big price diff. bet. the LFM-1 EX and LFM-1 Plus.

Just got my dual LFM-1+s up and running (left them in extended mode), will calibrate the system this weekend. Love the black plexiglass on top, gives it a nice look.

Just got my dual LFM-1+s up and running (left them in extended mode), will calibrate the system this weekend. Love the black plexiglass on top, gives it a nice look.

Wow, 2 subs, I'm sure that will fill up your room nicely w/ bass. How much cubic feet coverage is there? I still have the piece of paper on top of the glossy black top of the sub. I'll remove it once I move the sub to its final location next to the TV. But I can't do that until I replace the small CRT TV w/ a large DLP TV. :)

BTW, I think I solved the buzzing/vibration issue of my LFM-1+ and tile floor. I put the sub on top of a carpet floor mat from my car (I have a rubber mat for the car, so the OEM carpet mat was not necessary). Then I put the Outlaw spike/disc combo. feet on top of the floor mat. No more sliding around by the sub and no more vibration, unless the sub is pushed really hard. At which point, it's other stuff in my house doing the vibrating, such as windows, dishes, fireplace screen, etc.

Wow, 2 subs, I'm sure that will fill up your room nicely w/ bass. How much cubic feet coverage is there?
Correct me if I'm wrong but since these are basically the same as HSU VFT 3.2 subs, I think they were good for rooms up to 4500 cubic feet so I guess I'm good for 9k. Not that it matters since my main area is only 3k cubic feet although I have other rooms which are also connected which would inflate that to around 5k-6k or so. Since I had duals before, it's hard to go back to just one hence why I got two again (plus it helps aesthetics).

Correct me if I'm wrong but since these are basically the same as HSU VFT 3.2 subs, I think they were good for rooms up to 4500 cubic feet so I guess I'm good for 9k. Not that it matters since my main area is only 3k cubic feet although I have other rooms which are also connected which would inflate that to around 5k-6k or so. Since I had duals before, it's hard to go back to just one hence why I got two again (plus it helps aesthetics).

I actually meant how much volume of space your room had (3k cu. ft.). The 2 Outlaw subs must be plenty good. :)

I actually meant how much volume of space your room had (3k cu. ft.). The 2 Outlaw subs must be plenty good. :)
I'm just glad my wife loves bass! One is actually plenty for my room even though it bleeds off into others, still hits with lots of authority but two makes it that much better. ;)

I'm just glad my wife loves bass! One is actually plenty for my room even though it bleeds off into others, still hits with lots of authority but two makes it that much better. ;)

Sweet! :cool: And a wife who loves bass is a keeper!!

I finally pulled the trigger on a 1 Outlaw LFM-1 EX. My plan is to buy another in a few months. Do you guys think I should stack the 2 or place them in different locations in my HT?

This bad boy will go nice with my 7 Outlaw 2200 Monoblocks :)

I finally pulled the trigger on a 1 Outlaw LFM-1 EX. My plan is to buy another in a few months. Do you guys think I should stack the 2 or place them in different locations in my HT?

This bad boy will go nice with my 7 Outlaw 2200 Monoblocks :)

What are you wanting out of the two of them, the extra 4-6db of output or a bigger sweet spot (less localization) or both?

Personally I like placing them in different spots for a broader sweet spot which makes the bass hard to locate, more enveloping but still gives you extra output. Just play around with it and find out what you like best once you get the second one.

I agree w/ reverse - I'd strongly recommend separating the 2 subs rather than collocate them.

Anyone have clear pictures of the LFM-1 EX ? Lots of pictures out there but not very good ones?

When I get mine, Ill take a crap load of them if people want to see them. Ill host them and they will be the 5 mega pixel type.

Here my system showcase.. it has some lfm-ex shots.

>> http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showcase/view.php?userid=68217

ok, got it in yesterday and plugged it up:

http://www.silverti.com/ht/September%208,%202007/DSC00203.JPG


Absolutely love it, I’m getting low now that I knew I was missing on my 10 year old Energy 12". You just gotta love how Outlaw ships stuff. Double boxed and they even wrap the friggen thing in cloth (see my pics).

I took a few 5 mega pixel snaps:

LFM-1 EX (http://www.silverti.com/ht/September%208,%202007/)

Look how much bigger then my old energy sub it is (which is front fire)!

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Decent pics probably better than most I've seen on the web. Can you take a good pic of the seams?? How does it sound in the lows? Feel lots of rumble? I like the looks of it .

Decent pics probably better than most I've seen on the web. Can you take a good pic of the seams?? How does it sound in the lows? Feel lots of rumble? I like the looks of it .

As compared to the Energy next to it with 150w, the outlaw dominates it. It really isn’t all that much *louder* of course (in the room) but the thing digs WAY deeper. For example:

Sir Mix-a-lot Testorosa

Some of the bass in that song is pretty hard core. That rap song is one of the few songs that my Energy had no idea what to do with the bass in it. It couldn’t even produce it.

I plugged the Outlaw in and was absolutely shocked at how clear the bass was on all of its different types.

I haven’t tested a movie yet, I only have about an hour in music alone. But my space that it is in now has to be the worst acoustic space there is. When my HT space is done in 2 weeks which has the beginnings of a proper sound room, Ill know more.

I was shocked at how loud it sounded *outside* the room.

I have run that front fire sub for so long. I always wondered why people say you can’t tell where bass comes from but with the side fire Energy, I did. I could tell direction with it. I love the downward fire. For the first time on my rig, I actually could not place where the base was at, it just existed.

Congrats on your new sub.:D

I looked over your pics and I have a question. Is the woofer surround suspension foam as it appears in your pictures?

The foam was type that fits on the corners only. They were maybe something like 6 inch's by 6 inches, not all the big in the realm of packaging, however the box was in the top 99% as far as shipping packaging goes and I put 15 years in at UPS so were talking a million :)

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Nice sub, tleavit. I look forward to hearing more reviews after you finish your HT room. :cool:

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If you want a definitive answer, just call Outlaw directly.

I just added a Hsu MBM-1 to my LFM-1 EX in max extension and am in bass heaven right now. Flat to 15hz in my room, awesome punch; I couldn't ask for more!

I just added a Hsu MBM-1 to my LFM-1 EX in max extension and am in bass heaven right now. Flat to 15hz in my room, awesome punch; I couldn't ask for more!

That must sound sweet. Can you take a picture of the pair and post it here? Thanks.

The sub in its current location unfortunately has a bass dead spot in the prime seating area. When I walk a few feet away, the sub is noticeably louder. Now that I replaced the CRT TV w/ a DLP one, I'll move the sub next to the TV and hopefully that will improve the bass.

I moved my LFM-1 Plus sub right between the TV and right speaker. I finally took off the paper from the top of the sub. Wow, that gloss sure is shiny! :cool:

I'll post a pic when I get a chance.

Ill be joining the ranks of Outlaw audio owners as soon as I get home from work. I ordered one of the B Stock LFM + with the free shipping deal. I can't wait to play around with the sub tonight. My only prior sub experience is with a Velodyne CHT-12 so I expect a big leap in performance.

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I'm also an outlaw owner... 970 owner considering picking up a 990 with the sale that's going on and possibly an LFM-1 Plus as well to replace my current Klipsch Reference LF-12 (https://www.klipsch.com/products/discontinued/details/lf-12.aspx) that I'm not sure was ever actually publically released as a product... Anyone have any thoughts on how the LFM-1 Plus might compare?

What volume settings are you all using for your Outlaw subs? I have mine at 6 on the sub (and +0 on the receiver). I'm thinking of lowering it to 5 on the sub (LFM-1 Plus).

I have mine between 2 and 3 and -6 at the receiver. calibrated to 85db with the avia disc and shack meter.

What volume settings are you all using for your Outlaw subs? I have mine at 6 on the sub (and +0 on the receiver). I'm thinking of lowering it to 5 on the sub (LFM-1 Plus).

Doesn't really matter what others are using. Just set your receiver's sub level setting to -5 then calibrate your sub to whatever level you used for your speakers (75db or 85db) using the gain on your sub.

Some people may use 2 on their gain but others may use 5 or higher. The two I have in my room (different locations) use different settings even though they are both calibrated at the same level and independant of each other (this is due to the room).

Hello fellow Outlaw owners. I am in need of a new sub and have been considering all possibilities. As such, I have been looking at Hsu and Outlaw as well as various other offerings. My question is how does the Outlaw LFM-1 EX compare to the Hsu VTF3.3? I noticed that the 3.3 has dual 4" ports and the LFM-1 EX has dual 3" ports. How does the LFM-1 Plus compare to these two? It is my understanding that the LFM-1 Plus is very much nearly the same as the VTF2.3. If that is the case, then is the LFM-1 EX on par with the VTF3.3?? My intention here is to NOT to start a sub war but rather to gain some very useful information. Keep in mind that my preference is on musical performance BUT I do want to have good ht effect. I really like punchy, tight, fast, articulate bass that is well-defined revealing distinctness in the transient response. I really could care less if it only plays down to the low 20's as I want more output in the 25-65 Hz range. My room is a tad under 2000 ft^3 with an opening to a small hallway closet and my dining area. My seating position is about 9 ft. away from my tv and my couch is up against the back-wall. Please offer some advice if you are familiar with both the Hsu and the Outlaw products outlined herein. Thank you for your time.

Anybody care to offer a comment? Surely, there are some Outlaw owners here that have owned Hsu subs OR at the very least familiar with them. I hope there is anyways...........LOL!!!!! :p:p Please chime in if you can.

The most difference you will probably notice between the EX and the 3.3 is the look. The EX has ports on the bottom which help reduce port noise and makes it easier for placement since you don't have to worry about being too close to a wall, the 3.3 has them at the back. Either will be more than adequate (overkill really) for your size room. However, the HSU does have the option of the turbo if you want that extra performance later on.

The difference between the EX and LFM-1 Plus is that they are the same except that the EX has a larger enclosure which allows it to go deeper (16hz vs 18hz) and a littler louder (+3db supposedly).

Any of these subs will perform well for your room, so if you want to save some money go with the Plus but if you gotta have that extra oomph that may or may not be that noticeable, stick with the 3.3 or EX. These subs also do well with music, so no need to worry about that. I would solely base my opinion on looks and cost between the subs you are looking at, you can't/won't go wrong with any decision you make. I went with Outlaw over HSU due to the downward firing ports and liked the look of the Outlaws better.

BTW, the LFM-1 Plus is regarded to be equivalent to the HSU VTF 3.2 which is discontinued. The VTF 2.3 is its successor which isn't as powerful (only 250watts) as the VTF 3.2 (rated at 350watts).

Edit: forgot to add that all of these subs are tuneable - max extension mode (will go 18hz and below depending on which) and max output mode which seems what you want, so use that when you buy one. Max output gives you an extra kick in the 25hz and above range, just don't forget to take the port plug out (they come shipped in max entension mode).

Doesn't really matter what others are using. Just set your receiver's sub level setting to -5 then calibrate your sub to whatever level you used for your speakers (75db or 85db) using the gain on your sub.

Some people may use 2 on their gain but others may use 5 or higher. The two I have in my room (different locations) use different settings even though they are both calibrated at the same level and independant of each other (this is due to the room).

I was just curious what settings others are using. It looks like "6" is too high. Every once in a while, my sub "pops", as if it's trying to do too much. So I'll drop the sub to "5".

^ Good answer. That leads me to another curiosity question. For those who have LFM-1 Plus/EX, do you have it in the max output or default max extension mode? I kept it as max extension, but I honestly haven't played around w/ it to try it both ways now that I moved the sub to its permanent location next to my DLP TV.

The most difference you will probably notice between the EX and the 3.3 is the look. The EX has ports on the bottom which help reduce port noise and makes it easier for placement since you don't have to worry about being too close to a wall, the 3.3 has them at the back. Either will be more than adequate (overkill really) for your size room. However, the HSU does have the option of the turbo if you want that extra performance later on.

The difference between the EX and LFM-1 Plus is that they are the same except that the EX has a larger enclosure which allows it to go deeper (16hz vs 18hz) and a littler louder (+3db supposedly).

Any of these subs will perform well for your room, so if you want to save some money go with the Plus but if you gotta have that extra oomph that may or may not be that noticeable, stick with the 3.3 or EX. These subs also do well with music, so no need to worry about that. I would solely base my opinion on looks and cost between the subs you are looking at, you can't/won't go wrong with any decision you make. I went with Outlaw over HSU due to the downward firing ports and liked the look of the Outlaws better.

BTW, the LFM-1 Plus is regarded to be equivalent to the HSU VTF 3.2 which is discontinued. The VTF 2.3 is its successor which isn't as powerful (only 250watts) as the VTF 3.2 (rated at 350watts).

Edit: forgot to add that all of these subs are tuneable - max extension mode (will go 18hz and below depending on which) and max output mode which seems what you want, so use that when you buy one. Max output gives you an extra kick in the 25hz and above range, just don't forget to take the port plug out (they come shipped in max entension mode).

Thanks for the info but I still have a few questions. You said the EX will go lower and play a little louder +3db -so is this true mainly for the lower octaves or will it also be louder in the 25-65 Hz range? I am NOT too concerned about extension below 22 hz or so. Which means, I am NOT interested in the turbo at all. The ports being on the bottom does what? Make placement easier perhaps? I know putting a sub w/rear firing ports in a corner can really make the bass more prominant and much more localized as such does that mean the EX is easier to place?? I also need to know how the dual 3" vented ports compare to the dual 4" ports? That is, would the dual 4" ports just allow the 3.3 to play lower more loudly as compared to the EX??? If so, then this would be of little concern to me. I have to be concerned with music because that is where my preference is. BUT, I also want good ht performance as well. Just dont need my sub to extend below 22 Hz or so. If it does that is fine but it is NOT a must for my application. However, tight, punchy, articulated bass is that must also have good definition when listening to music. So, out of the 3.3, EX, and the Plus which one would do a better job musically speaking??? I am aware the 3.3 is probably better over-all so a better question would be how much better is the 3.3 when compared to both the EX and the Plus? If the 3.3 just digs deeper with less distortion then I may just go with the EX or the Plus and save some money. Just need to ascertain as much info as possible so that I can make a well informed decision.

Thanks for the info but I still have a few questions. You said the EX will go lower and play a little louder +3db -so is this true mainly for the lower octaves or will it also be louder in the 25-65 Hz range? It will achieve higher DB ratings, so yes it will be able to achieve higher SPL readings throughout the range but 3db isn't all that much if you ask me unless you're trying to squeeze every last bit of performance out (which doesn't sound like you are).
I am NOT too concerned about extension below 22 hz or so. Which means, I am NOT interested in the turbo at all. The ports being on the bottom does what? Make placement easier perhaps? I know putting a sub w/rear firing ports in a corner can really make the bass more prominant and much more localized as such does that mean the EX is easier to place?? Ports on the bottom reduce port noise (the sound of air rushing through the ports), this is mainly noticable when playing low frequencies when the woofer is displacing alot of air through the ports. By having them on the bottom, it greatly reduces this problem and also allows you to place the sub next to the wal if you wanted since you wouldn't have the ports against the wall. Generaly subs with rear ports need to have some space between the wall and the sub so it can breathe and not sound boomy. Most people tend to space it from the wall about 2"-3", so for the Outlaw you don't need to worry about this.
I also need to know how the dual 3" vented ports compare to the dual 4" ports? That is, would the dual 4" ports just allow the 3.3 to play lower more loudly as compared to the EX??? Correct

If so, then this would be of little concern to me. I have to be concerned with music because that is where my preference is. BUT, I also want good ht performance as well. Just dont need my sub to extend below 22 Hz or so. If it does that is fine but it is NOT a must for my application. However, tight, punchy, articulated bass is that must also have good definition when listening to music. So, out of the 3.3, EX, and the Plus which one would do a better job musically speaking??? I am aware the 3.3 is probably better over-all so a better question would be how much better is the 3.3 when compared to both the EX and the Plus? If the 3.3 just digs deeper with less distortion then I may just go with the EX or the Plus and save some money. Just need to ascertain as much info as possible so that I can make a well informed decision.Subs that can play low frequencies (even beyond what you need) make the HT experience more fullfilling when watching movies such as War of the Worlds and others that have really low bass. I would say since you don't need the capabilities of the 3.3, it will cost you the most (unless on sale), I would take it out of the running.

Now the only question you have is should you go with the EX which has the ability to play slightly louder and digg a tad bit deeper for $100 extra (keep in mind this is also larger in size - check your space requirements) or save money and go with the Plus. Between the EX and the Plus they will both be equally musical so it doesn't matter which way you go, overall the Plus is all you need. Even though the Plus is the lower model of the three you won't be dissapointed at all with it, will probably blow you away at how good it is.

Edit: Keep in mind that the best sub in the world may not perform to your expectations in regard to tight and articulate bass if your room isn't the best for sound reproduction in which case you would need room treatments (bass traps, sound panels etc...). Alot of people love the Auralex Gramma (http://www.auralex.com/sound_isolation_gramma/sound_isolation_gramma.asp) which can help for better acoustic isolation.

^ Good answer. That leads me to another curiosity question. For those who have LFM-1 Plus/EX, do you have it in the max output or default max extension mode? I kept it as max extension, but I honestly haven't played around w/ it to try it both ways now that I moved the sub to its permanent location next to my DLP TV.

Just watch a few scenes on each mode and see what you like best. If you tend to like the 'punch you in the chest' bass more, you will likely feel that max output is more your thing.

I have both of my Plus subs in max extension since I like feeling the bass in the lower frequencies and since I have two, it still punches you in the chest plenty.

It will achieve higher DB ratings, so yes it will be able to achieve higher SPL readings throughout the range but 3db isn't all that much if you ask me unless you're trying to squeeze every last bit of performance out (which doesn't sound like you are).
Ports on the bottom reduce port noise (the sound of air rushing through the ports), this is mainly noticable when playing low frequencies when the woofer is displacing alot of air through the ports. By having them on the bottom, it greatly reduces this problem and also allows you to place the sub next to the wal if you wanted since you wouldn't have the ports against the wall. Generaly subs with rear ports need to have some space between the wall and the sub so it can breathe and not sound boomy. Most people tend to space it from the wall about 2"-3", so for the Outlaw you don't need to worry about this.
Correct

Subs that can play low frequencies (even beyond what you need) make the HT experience more fullfilling when watching movies such as War of the Worlds and others that have really low bass. I would say since you don't need the capabilities of the 3.3, it will cost you the most (unless on sale), I would take it out of the running.

Now the only question you have is should you go with the EX which has the ability to play slightly louder and digg a tad bit deeper for $100 extra (keep in mind this is also larger in size - check your space requirements) or save money and go with the Plus. Between the EX and the Plus they will both be equally musical so it doesn't matter which way you go, overall the Plus is all you need. Even though the Plus is the lower model of the three you won't be dissapointed at all with it, will probably blow you away at how good it is.

Edit: Keep in mind that the best sub in the world may not perform to your expectations in regard to tight and articulate bass if your room isn't the best for sound reproduction in which case you would need room treatments (bass traps, sound panels etc...). Alot of people love the Auralex Gramma (http://www.auralex.com/sound_isolation_gramma/sound_isolation_gramma.asp) which can help for better acoustic isolation.
Hey, the 3.3 is on sale right now for $629. Do you think that it is worth the extra money for my needs? I did want to mention that I did own a SVS PB10-NSD and the PB12-NSD and never felt overwhelmed in any way. Both did a great job with ht BUT did not find either of them musical at all. The PB12-NSD was much better down low whereas the PB10-NSD was just a tad bit better with music. I also owned the Mirage Omni S12 at one time and found it to be MUCH better than the PB12-NSD/PB10-NSD musically speaking AND just as good as the PB10-NSD with ht. In short, the Mirage S12 was a much better blance between the two extremes of ht and musical performance. Kinda wished I had not gotten rid on the S12. The S12 was also bottom ported and I never had a problem w/port noise. That is one thing I can NOT stand is "chuffing" sounds/port noise. With that said, which would you get and why???

Ah ok, another Energy owner. I had dual S10.3 subs and find the Outlaws to be just as musical. Since I've never owned an SVS sub I can't make a comparison but from what everyone has stated they find the HSU subs to be more musical.

Since you've had an S12, if I were you I would get the LFM-1 EX (only $20 more than the HSU sale price) since I'm a firm believer in upgrading whenever possible when getting new gear. Not that the LFM-1 Plus wouldn't be an upgrade, I have no doubt it would outperform the S12, it's going to give that extra edge over the Plus which may make it seem like more of a difference between it and the S12 - if that matters to you. Otherwise the Plus is a fine choice and will perform really well.

I would stay away from the 3.3 since it could generate port noise. I too find this distracting which is why I had to get down firing ports.

You could also call Outlaw and talk with them about your wants and concerns, they will speak frankly with you and not sell you anything you wouldn't be happy with.

Thanks a lot reverse. Mind if I ask you if you have ever heard the Mirage S12? It sounds like the EX would be a step above. Also, ever heard the HO?? Just wonder how much better it is compared to the 3.3 and the EX?? Anyways, thanks for the help. Have a great weekend.

I've heard them (S12) but not much experience with them overall, I know my dual 10s would put out higher SPLs than a single S12 but wouldn't go as deep (a single LFM-1 Plus out do my duals fairly easy). As far as the HO vs the 3.3 or EX, the EX is actually rated to go as low as the HO (16hz). However, the HO has 500 watts and is heavier, spec wise the EX is closer to the standard 3.3 but is rated deeper than the 3.3. Not quite sure what the difference would be other than that since I haven't compared them in person audibly.

I would talk to Dr. Hsu (from HSU obviously) or Peter from Outlaw to get definitive differences or you could post in the official HSU sub thread here and ask. I'm sure it's been asked before possibly.

I've heard them (S12) but not much experience with them overall, I know my dual 10s would put out higher SPLs than a single S12 but wouldn't go as deep (a single LFM-1 Plus out do my duals fairly easy). As far as the HO vs the 3.3 or EX, the EX is actually rated to go as low as the HO (16hz). However, the HO has 500 watts and is heavier, spec wise the EX is closer to the standard 3.3 but is rated deeper than the 3.3. Not quite sure what the difference would be other than that since I haven't compared them in person audibly.

I would talk to Dr. Hsu (from HSU obviously) or Peter from Outlaw to get definitive differences or you could post in the official HSU sub thread here and ask. I'm sure it's been asked before possibly.
Well, I know that the HO uses a more advanced driver aka Xbl^2 technology of some sorts. From what I garner, it allows the HO to extend deeper with very little distortion resulting in more linearity. As you mentioned, it also has more power and as such displaces more air. Therefore, I assume the HO is more capable down low which is of no real benefit to me. Craigsub did mention on his forum that the HO was a "bit" better than the 3.3 musically speaking. It is kinda out of my price range anyways. The EX may just be a true bargain for what it does performance wise. Thanks once again for your help. I will probably call Outlaw sometime next week. I also plan on speaking with Dr. Hsu as well. I have spoken to him before but it has been a while. Just curious as to what he has to say as I know he is a very nice guy.

Well, I know that the HO uses a more advanced driver aka Xbl^2 technology of some sorts. From what I garner, it allows the HO to extend deeper with very little distortion resulting in more linearity. As you mentioned, it also has more power and as such displaces more air. Therefore, I assume the HO is more capable down low which is of no real benefit to me. Craigsub did mention on his forum that the HO was a "bit" better than the 3.3 musically speaking. It is kinda out of my price range anyways. The EX may just be a true bargain for what it does performance wise. Thanks once again for your help. I will probably call Outlaw sometime next week. I also plan on speaking with Dr. Hsu as well. I have spoken to him before but it has been a while. Just curious as to what he has to say as I know he is a very nice guy.

Why doesn't HSU or SVS get out of the 12"/13.5" size range for their flagships? No replacement for displacement. Althought the PB13 is a fairly good performer, the Conquest seems to be taking over from an output perspective. If HSU has XBL tech of some sort, they might as well apply it to a larger driver. Some users here yearn that deep extension that a 12" or 13.5" can't deliver.

Why doesn't HSU or SVS get out of the 12"/13.5" size range for their flagships? No replacement for displacement. Althought the PB13 is a fairly good performer, the Conquest seems to be taking over from an output perspective. If HSU has XBL tech of some sort, they might as well apply it to a larger driver. Some users here yearn that deep extension that a 12" or 13.5" can't deliver.

Hello spezzy point well taken. However, I am NOT looking for sheer output or SPL BUT rather musicality. Tight, fast, punchy, well-defined, lots of detail and separation, while maintaining distinctness in the transient response. If the sub I end up buying is very good musically AND can offer decent extension for ht, then I would be very happy. However, I do NOT need it to disturb my neighbors and have the police here knocking on my door. I am sure you can understand.

Just watch a few scenes on each mode and see what you like best. If you tend to like the 'punch you in the chest' bass more, you will likely feel that max output is more your thing.

I have both of my Plus subs in max extension since I like feeling the bass in the lower frequencies and since I have two, it still punches you in the chest plenty.

Yes, you're right that one should try out both modes. I recently lowered my LFM-1 Plus sub volume from 6 to 5. (Yes, I know it's sacrilegious to turn down the bass. :D) But even then, during high bass scenes, I can hear the subwoofer as about to hearing the bass, if that makes sense. The sub kind of makes a popping sound. Could it be that the sub volume is set too high that it can't handle playing all that LFE? :confused:

It's not technically Cyber Monday any more, but Outlaw has a new subwoofer sale going (http://www.outlawaudio.com/promo_pages/santa.html).

It's not technically Cyber Monday any more, but Outlaw has a new subwoofer sale going (http://www.outlawaudio.com/promo_pages/santa.html).

The Outlaw LFM-1 EX for $549 DELIVERED is a very good buy, especially for someone who needs a sub that is pretty good looking. Probably about a $175 savings because they are giving free shipping on top of $100 off the price of the sub itself.

These subs are designed by Dr. Hsu, who is also designing subs for Dayton.

The Outlaw LFM-1 EX for $549 DELIVERED is a very good buy, especially for someone who needs a sub that is pretty good looking. Probably about a $175 savings because they are giving free shipping on top of $100 off the price of the sub itself.

These subs are designed by Dr. Hsu, who is also designing subs for Dayton.

Wish I had known about this sooner because I just ordered a Hsu VTF-3.3. Oh well, I am still happy as I got a good deal on my 3.3. However, I do hate paying $100 for s&h.

The Outlaw LFM-1 EX for $549 DELIVERED is a very good buy, especially for someone who needs a sub that is pretty good looking. Probably about a $175 savings because they are giving free shipping on top of $100 off the price of the sub itself.

These subs are designed by Dr. Hsu, who is also designing subs for Dayton.

The site says $549 plus shipping, not $549 delivered.

all b-stock prices include free shipping---good deals to be found there:o

Anyone know if Outlaw is putting out a pre/pro that will be having HDMI anytime soon? I would have jumped on the 990 a long time ago, but nobody uses DVI anymore.

Thoughts?

They are working on one. I talked to Scott at the Denver Rocky Mountain Audio Fest, and he confirmed it. I think they need a new chip that is being designed, but it won't be out until sometime in 2008. I am waiting for it.

Sorry for the cross post, but I would assume all you Outlaw Lovers will have heard this one before.

I am 2ch. Old school amp/pre amp so I'll be using the speaker level inputs.

Most subs seem to have only one set of high level connectors - inputs but no outputs. You wire the mains in parallel to the sub and the sub presents such a high impedance load that the main speaker signal path is unaffected.

As you all know, Outlaw provides in and out high level binding posts so you can pass the signal through and impart the effect of the crossover on both the sub and the main speakers (in this case, some small stand-mounted monitors rolling off at about 70Hz)

My question is:

Do I have to wire my speakers off the sub, or can I used the same wiring approach used on other subs - wiring in parallel. I understand that the full freq content will be going to the main speakers, but that is the case now. All I need to do is dial in the xover for the sub and I should be in business?

Received my LFM-1 Compact a few days ago and thought I would chronicle my experience:

After reading and researching for weeks, I had narrowed my choices down to:
1. Hsu STF-2
2. Outlaw LFM-1
3. eD A3-250
4. BIC H-100

I eliminated the eD due to it's size, finish (WAF) and shipping charges. The BIC was eliminated due to worries about boominess, construction quality and warranty fulfillment. So I was down to the Hsu and the Outlaw (thank goodness for their Xmas sale). Their specs were for all intents and purposes, the same. Their final prices after shipping, were within $2.00 of each other. The Outlaw came out on top by a whisker due to a slightly more powerful amp, and it's looks. Anyway, I pulled the trigger and waited for my new baby to arrive.

Fedex delivered the box and the packaging was much larger than I had anticipated. Turns out subwoofer is double boxed in fairly heavy duty cardboard. The subwoofer itself is isolated from the inner box by soft foam protectors at each corner. To top it off, the unit is encased in a soft fabric bag. Very nice. I feel pretty certain that the subwoofer could have survived a fairly substantial drop, although to FEDEX's credit I didn't detect any evidence that anything like that had occurred. Upon unpacking and setting up the speaker, I came across what would be my only disappointment (and a relatively small one at that). Packaged with the subwoofer were a power cable and 4 plastic spike feet. I had been expecting 4 metal spike feet and 4 metal dimple discs, as that's what was listed in the owner's manual. The plastic feet aren't unsightly and are certainly functional, but I hadn't expected Outlaw to cut corners on such a small item. Like I said, not a big deal, but it was a little disappointing. The size of the unit was exactly what I had envisioned and fit perfectly in the limited space available. As subwoofers go (well, black ones anyway), this is a very good looking unit. The satin finish contrasts nicely with the gloss top, and the beveled top edge makes it a little more interesting than the typical squared-off box design.

I connected the Outlaw to my Onkyo 705, pulled out my Rat Shack digital SPL meter and ran through some test tones. Ran the Onkyo's Audissey MultiEQ, then double-checked with the SPL meter again just for grins. Loaded my Tranformers HD DVD for the moment of truth, and HOLY CRAP!...so this is what I've been missing! Some of the LFEs shook the whole house and really made me feel like I was in the middle of the action. I was grinning ear to ear. Thus far I've also tested the Bourne trilogy, the Matrix trilogy and I'll be testing out 300 (all on HD DVD) as soon as I get a chance.

For music listening, I started going through some of my David Sanborn collection (as well as some other jazz) and it was like hearing them new all over again. I haven't upgraded my speakers yet (that's my next project), but I was stunned that a quality subwoofer would make the old system sound so good. On the "Pearls" disc, the clarity and resonance of the acoustic bass was something that I hadn't noticed before, but was keenly aware of during this listening. I plan to dust off some of the CDs I haven't listened to in a long time, and give them all another go'round. Probably the best endorsement I could have gotten was from my son who is a car audio basshead (currently he's got 2ea. 10" Boston Acoustic G5's and a 15" Digital Design installed). After playing some of his favorite deep bass Hip Hop and test tones on the Outlaw, he was somewhat shocked with how low yet tight the bass was. He wanted to know if Outlaw made subwoofers for cars...something they might want to think about. Nah.

Thus far, I've been absolutely thrilled with the Outlaw. The design, good looks and construction made it an easy sell to the Finance Dept. But for me, the most important factor has been the sound quality - the deep, taut, non-boomy bass has exceeded my expectations. I plan to enjoy this Outlaw for a long, long time. Now, if I only could have gotten those metal spike feet and dimple discs......


Update on the spike feet:
I contacted Outlaw via their web form and received a reply the next day. Apparently Outlaw has changed the specs for the Compact accessories. Because the Compact requires taller spikes (more clearance), they've switched to the taller plastic spike feet. As long as they're functional, well built and not an eyesore, I'm ok with them. Only time will tell whether they're well built. Also, the dimple discs should be included regardless of the type of spike feet, so Outlaw is shipping out the discs to me. Thus far I've been pleased with their customer support.

Hmmmm, mine came with very heavy metal spikes and dimpled discs. I'll bet if you give a quick call to the Outlaws they'll hook ya up for free. Notice I said CALL, not email. I've found it's the best way to get a response.

Lol, you pulled this thread out form death. I forgot about it. Here’s where my EX ended up.

http://www.silverti.com/ht/November%2013,%202007/DSC00519b.JPG

My wife took my mom down into my ht basement to watch Die Hard 4 on Xmas. I was upstairs playing Wii with the kids on the other side of the house. I was laying on the sofa and the bass from Die Hard was rattling the sofa like a SOB and this is through double insulation (R19) in the ceiling with 3” of Styrofoam in between.

They didn’t even have the system turned up like I usually do.

The thing rattles stuff 2 floors up through all my sound proofing.

@openhelix, was your model also an LFM-1 Compact? Looks like I will have to give them a call, I sent them an email regarding this issue last week and have yet to hear back from them.

@tleavit, I must confess that part of my motivation was to keep this thread from disappearing from the radar. BTW, I've viewed some of your other project photos and that's quite a setup you've got. It must've been a blast to put it all together.

Received my LFM-1 Compact a few days ago and thought I would chronicle my experience:

After reading and researching for weeks, I had narrowed my choices down to:
1. Hsu STF-2
2. Outlaw LFM-1
3. eD A3-250
4. BIC H-100

I eliminated the eD due to it's size, finish (WAF) and shipping charges. The BIC was eliminated due to worries about boominess, construction quality and warranty fulfillment. So I was down to the Hsu and the Outlaw (thank goodness for their Xmas sale). Their specs were for all intents and purposes, the same. Their final prices after shipping, were within $2.00 of each other. The Outlaw came out on top by a whisker due to a slightly more powerful amp, and it's looks. Anyway, I pulled the trigger and waited for my new baby to arrive.

Fedex delivered the box and the packaging was much larger than I had anticipated. Turns out subwoofer is double boxed in fairly heavy duty cardboard. The subwoofer itself is isolated from the inner box by soft foam protectors at each corner. To top it off, the unit is encased in a soft fabric bag. Very nice. I feel pretty certain that the subwoofer could have survived a fairly substantial drop, although to FEDEX's credit I didn't detect any evidence that anything like that had occurred. Upon unpacking and setting up the speaker, I came across what would be my only disappointment (and a relatively small one at that). Packaged with the subwoofer were a power cable and 4 plastic spike feet. I had been expecting 4 metal spike feet and 4 metal dimple discs, as that's what was listed in the owner's manual. The plastic feet aren't unsightly and are certainly functional, but I hadn't expected Outlaw to cut corners on such a small item. Like I said, not a big deal, but it was a little disappointing. The size of the unit was exactly what I had envisioned and fit perfectly in the limited space available. As subwoofers go (well, black ones anyway), this is a very good looking unit. The satin finish contrasts nicely with the gloss top, and the beveled top edge makes it a little more interesting than the typical squared-off box design.

EDIT

Thus far, I've been absolutely thrilled with the Outlaw. The design, good looks and construction made it an easy sell to the Finance Dept. But for me, the most important factor has been the sound quality - the deep, taut, non-boomy bass has exceeded my expectations. I plan to enjoy this Outlaw for a long, long time. Now, if I only could have gotten those metal spike feet and dimple discs......

I too was expecting a little more than plastic spikes when my LFM-1 compact arrived. They are similar to the ones that came with my Celestion subwoofer, same indentations, shape (same factory, different mould). I'm satisfied with the plastic spikes, they do the job and aren't seen by anyone.

Your packaging impression mirrors mine as well as your purchasing thought process. When I opened mine and looked inside I was surprised to not see
any internal bracing except at the joint lines and very little insulation (which didn't surprise me).

As you noted in your excellent review it is a "musical" sub and I'm also having a blast running thru my cd collection.

@openhelix, was your model also an LFM-1 Compact? Looks like I will have to give them a call, I sent them an email regarding this issue last week and have yet to hear back from them.

@tleavit, I must confess that part of my motivation was to keep this thread from disappearing from the radar. BTW, I've viewed some of your other project photos and that's quite a setup you've got. It must've been a blast to put it all together.

Nope, mine is the LFM-1 Plus. I've not seen or heard the compact. I got an LFM2 for the bedroom for christmas, but it might be going back to outlaw in exchange for an LFM1+ or compact.

Nope, mine is the LFM-1 Plus. I've not seen or heard the compact. I got an LFM2 for the bedroom for christmas, but it might be going back to outlaw in exchange for an LFM1+ or compact.

How do you like the LFM2? It's more in my budget range-especially whilst on sale

How do you like the LFM2? It's more in my budget range-especially whilst on sale

It's okay... it lacks the punch of the LFM1+. You can hear the bass, but you dont get the punch in the chest the way you do with the LFM1+. It is, however, a very musical and quick sub. Depends what you're looking for.

It's okay... it lacks the punch of the LFM1+. You can hear the bass, but you dont get the punch in the chest the way you do with the LFM1+. It is, however, a very musical and quick sub. Depends what you're looking for.

I'm probably 85/15 Music and seems that even my DVDs are music-The Last Waltz is GREAT in my book. Just Have Basic Cable-no HBO, Don't rent from Netfix or BlockBuster
Listen to mostly classic rock-Floyd,Who,Some Jazz, Fair amount of Blues

Seems like it might suit me well

Hey Guys couple questions on the LFM-1 Compact... first how deep does it get, how musical is the tone (i hate boomy bass)? How much deeper does the plus get? On outlaw's website it says 25hz for all the LFM-1 models but i know that can't be right with different size drivers...

Received my LFM-1 Compact a few days ago and thought I would chronicle my experience:

After reading and researching for weeks, I had narrowed my choices down to:
1. Hsu STF-2
2. Outlaw LFM-1
3. eD A3-250
4. BIC H-100

I eliminated the eD due to it's size, finish (WAF) and shipping charges. The BIC was eliminated due to worries about boominess, construction quality and warranty fulfillment. So I was down to the Hsu and the Outlaw (thank goodness for their Xmas sale). Their specs were for all intents and purposes, the same. Their final prices after shipping, were within $2.00 of each other. The Outlaw came out on top by a whisker due to a slightly more powerful amp, and it's looks. Anyway, I pulled the trigger and waited for my new baby to arrive.

Thus far, I've been absolutely thrilled with the Outlaw. The design, good looks and construction made it an easy sell to the Finance Dept. But for me, the most important factor has been the sound quality - the deep, taut, non-boomy bass has exceeded my expectations. I plan to enjoy this Outlaw for a long, long time. Now, if I only could have gotten those metal spike feet and dimple discs......

I want to thank you for this excellent post. I just replaced my aging AVR with a 705 and have been looking to upgrade my speakers starting with the sub. Your review here has me heavily leaning towards the LFM-1 compact. While the EX appeals to me I really can't justify the extra $233 (sale pricing plus shipping) for it as I run a custom 18" sub with my bi-amped modded Maggies in my main stereo system. I simply need a good solid performing sub. Cheaper units like the BIC H-100 look to be less competent than I'd like. Gonna sleep on this tonight ($396 and change shipped)!

@kip_,
According to Outlaw, the LFM-1 Compact is essentially flat to 25hz. I've played 20hz test tones on it, so it will definitely go there, but I couldn't tell you what the drop-off in decibels would be. I assume you'd be looking at the EX since the Plus is currently out of stock, and the EX can be had at the same price as the Plus (until the end of the year). From the specs I've seen, the EX is essentially flat to either 22hz or 16hz depending on how you tune the ports. See my previous post regarding my impressions on the Compact's performance.

@Bob A (SD),
I continue to be impressed with this "Compact" dynamo. I've had time to sample some Marcus Miller and Mary J Blige CDs, and the Compact was up to the task on both. Whether Marcus was furiously slapping his electric bass or plucking a fretless, the Compact did an excellent job of delivering sharp, tight bass attacks. The Mary J Blige disc was loaded with deep, thumping tones and the Compact never waivered. I also loaded up my Lord of the Rings DVD to play the Bridge at Khazad-dum chapter (as recommended elsewhere in this forum), and it was truly an earth shaking experience. This is going to be my new subwoofer demo disk. Sick.

@Bob A (SD),
I continue to be impressed with this "Compact" dynamo. I've had time to sample some Marcus Miller and Mary J Blige CDs, and the Compact was up to the task on both. Whether Marcus was furiously slapping his electric bass or plucking a fretless, the Compact did an excellent job of delivering sharp, tight bass attacks. The Mary J Blige disc was loaded with deep, thumping tones and the Compact never waivered. I also loaded up my Lord of the Rings DVD to play the Bridge at Khazad-dum chapter (as recommended elsewhere in this forum), and it was truly an earth shaking experience. This is going to be my new subwoofer demo disk. Sick.

Frankly the musicality is what is giving me cause for pause in the sense that I don't want to pay for what I don't need if it is a trade off for HT performance. My HT system will be used 95% for video as, being a tad redundant, I have a full bore separate stereo dedicated to music here:

http://rap.midco.net/bald1/livingrm_1.JPG

If the musicality is just a plus then great :) Specs show -2dB @ 25Hz and a SPL max of 112dB. The H-100 is -3dB @ 24Hz with an SPL of 115dB. Unfortunately neither set of specs is necessarily indicative of output volume reality below 30Hz. Looking at a difference of almost $160 I'm conflicted as to which would really best serve me here. Compromise is already in play due to the fact that the size of my HT room is larger than either of these subs are optimal for.

http://rap.midco.net/bald1/1stday_65inch_sm.JPG

I guess I'm trying to assess how significant the low note visceral impact is from both the LFM-1c and the H-100 without having heard either :)
Craigsub's list isn't all inclusive but looking at the H-100's 78 point (40, 38) score and the Hsu VTF-2 Mk 3 w/o turbo score of 86 (40, 46) may be instructional. The LFM-1c is virtually the same as a Hsu STF-2 which isn't scored on the list. The VTF-2.3 that is has a 12" driver vice the 10" of the LFM-1c / STF-2 yet it scores the same HT rating of 40. Musically it excels not unexpectedly over the H-100 46 to 38. Forcing some extrapolation here the LFM-1c probably wouldn't score any higher than 40 for HT either which again ties with the H-100. In like fashion it should score much higher on the music side of the ledger than the H-100. But since I don't need those qualities it comes down to just the HT scores for my needs. This exercise again reinforces my quandary about whether the extra cost for the LFM-1c over the H-100 delivers anything useful for me. Argh :( Sigh :( Oh BTW I'm now retired which is why I'm taking a harder look at costs these days.

Received my LFM-1 Compact a few days ago and thought I would chronicle my experience:

After reading and researching for weeks, I had narrowed my choices down to:
1. Hsu STF-2
2. Outlaw LFM-1
3. eD A3-250
4. BIC H-100

I eliminated the eD due to it's size, finish (WAF) and shipping charges. The BIC was eliminated due to worries about boominess, construction quality and warranty fulfillment. So I was down to the Hsu and the Outlaw (thank goodness for their Xmas sale). Their specs were for all intents and purposes, the same. Their final prices after shipping, were within $2.00 of each other. The Outlaw came out on top by a whisker due to a slightly more powerful amp, and it's looks. Anyway, I pulled the trigger and waited for my new baby to arrive.

I totally agree you made the best choice, well that or HSU and toss a coin. I understand when you say you ruled out the ed due to finish, waf and I would even add wait time but when you said because of shipping? ED offers free shipping. Well at least up till now. I've read they are restructureing their prices as of the 1st so that may or may not continue.

Also I've had several dealings with Bic CS and every experience has surpassed my expectations but i can understand your concern with not being able to find as much info on that topic in comparison to the other companies.

Didn't mean the hijack I just wanted to throw that in there so other people that might not know don't get the wrong idea. Enjoy

@kip_,
According to Outlaw, the LFM-1 Compact is essentially flat to 25hz. I've played 20hz test tones on it, so it will definitely go there, but I couldn't tell you what the drop-off in decibels would be. I assume you'd be looking at the EX since the Plus is currently out of stock, and the EX can be had at the same price as the Plus (until the end of the year). From the specs I've seen, the EX is essentially flat to either 22hz or 16hz depending on how you tune the ports. See my previous post regarding my impressions on the Compact's performance.

@Bob A (SD),
I continue to be impressed with this "Compact" dynamo. I've had time to sample some Marcus Miller and Mary J Blige CDs, and the Compact was up to the task on both. Whether Marcus was furiously slapping his electric bass or plucking a fretless, the Compact did an excellent job of delivering sharp, tight bass attacks. The Mary J Blige disc was loaded with deep, thumping tones and the Compact never waivered. I also loaded up my Lord of the Rings DVD to play the Bridge at Khazad-dum chapter (as recommended elsewhere in this forum), and it was truly an earth shaking experience. This is going to be my new subwoofer demo disk. Sick.


Thanks a lot. Unless I save up for an Epik Valor then I'll probably get the LFM-1 Compact.

How much longer is this sale good for? (hoping for a January bonus)

Has anybody had an Outlaw sub shipped to Canada?

Seems my extrapolation above based on the HT portion of Craigsub's test scores was misguided based on this from Craig:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=12348790&postcount=4365

"In response to this query from juiceblr: I have a BIC 100 & wanted to upgrade to the HSU VTF2 MK3 non turbo. I see the hsu gets a total pf 86 & the BIC gets 78. However, they both got 40 points in the home theatre portion of the test.
So, are they the same sound/quality/loudness etc. for home theatre? Should I upgrade or not?

Craigsub responded:
The BIC and Hsu are both comparable in regards to "home theater rumble", but the Hsu is well ahead of the BIC in terms of articulation and slam. Keep in mind, much of the home theater experience IS music ... so music performance should weigh heavily in one's decision, which is why the X-sub and BIC H-100 make for such an interesting pair of options."

So I'm back leaning to the LFM-1c and wishing I could pop for the LFM-1EX.

Just pulled the trigger on the LFM-1c :)

...ED offers free shipping. Well at least up till now. I've read they are restructureing their prices as of the 1st so that may or may not continue.


eD doesn't offer free shipping out here to the middle of the Pacific. It would cost a minimum of $222 to ship an A2-250. Hsu and Outlaw shipping charges were approx. half that. My location dictates a heightened sensitivity to shipping and warranty issues that folks in the lower 48 may not have to deal with. YMMV.

Just pulled the trigger on the LFM-1c :)

Great choice. I bought mine before XMAS and love it. I was expecting a big difference from my BA HTIB 8" sub, but it exceeded my expectations in every way. I didn't realize how much I was missing in the low frequency range. Things have been busy for me lately, but I'll post some pics when I get a chance. Let us know how it sounds when you get it hooked up.

Wayne, et al,

I'll do just that and let folks know how the LFM-1c works for me. No question that the size of my room is larger (26' x 17' x 9' =~3978 cu ft) than what this sub is tailored for but.... like I said, we'll see :) I guess I got in under the wire too for the special pricing.

BTW this thread I started is what got me here:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=965864

--Bob

Just pulled the trigger on the LFM-1c :)

Likewise. I went down to Magnolia and tried get a discount on the $600 ML Dynamo. No deal. I REALLY like that sub, but couldn't stretch to the price. (I hate those of you who picked one up for $350 last year. ;))

So the LFM-1C is my choice B. Sorry, Outlaw. But you get the sale. :o

- Jasen.

anyone running 2200's, what do you think of the performance? i just ordered my klipsch THX ultra2 system and for now, i'm gonna be powering them with a pioneer elite vsx-74 and was thinkin of pumpin some more power to them

sorry, i just realized this was a sub forum

Likewise. I went down to Magnolia and tried get a discount on the $600 ML Dynamo. No deal. I REALLY like that sub, but couldn't stretch to the price. (I hate those of you who picked one up for $350 last year. ;))

So the LFM-1C is my choice B. Sorry, Outlaw. But you get the sale. :o

- Jasen.

You might end up liking this sub more than the ML Dynamo. Being a ported sub, it probably has more output than the Dynamo. Members here seem to like its music performance. I bet the people who bought Outlaw subs recently did so because of the lower price. I hope sub manufacturers pay attention here and start lowering prices instead raising them like they own the market.

Hey guys. I've been making 'the decision' for a couple days now. I've needed a small, nice looking box with good sound quality and that little kick for movies. I like tight, crisp bass, punch if you will. I had all the latest greatest from the ID guys, ed, Outlaw, HSU, VSV...both the 250-350 range subs and the 500-600 ranges stuff on paper. I really want something that will blend in well with my Ascend 340ES fronts. I am NOT a bass head, but love a good kick on the right music. I am trying to stay small and effective for both music and HT. I know, I want it all...cheap. So its come down to four, maybe five subs. I eliminated eD, although the A5-350 was tempting but too long to wait and too big...and well, ugly. WAF is a significant factor here. What's left?

Outlaw LMF2 8" 150W $239 + ship
Outlaw LMF1Compact 10" 225W $339 + ship

HSU SFT1 8" 150 W $254 + ship
HSU SFT2 10" 200W $349 + ship

The size on all this is about the same. Small enough. My question for you guys is this. What do you think of the finish look on these subs. I gather the Outlaw is a bit more refined, anyone have a chance to look at both? Are there any features one unit has over the other. Specifically, the SFT2 vs. LMF1C? Are the amps comparable? I want to get this ball rolling asap.

I am leaning toward the LMF1C, and away from the 8" drivers. The Ascends can play fairly low on there own so I want the bigger driver to go a bit lower.

There is an outside chance I might consider a sealed sub, say the Epik Valor. But it is a couple bills more and somewhat bigger....I'm just hoping one of these ported subs will produce the kind of seamless blend I'm looking for. That's all for now. Thanks in advance for the help.

Kpilk,

I went through something of a similar drill considering BIC H-100 on the low price end and both the A5-350 and Outlaw LFM-1EX at the other price extreme. I used various reviews plus Craigsub's scores. Initially I let myself be influenced solely by the "HT" scores until I read Craigsub's admonition that the "music" score has significance in HT set ups for movies too. At this point I was down to the H-100 ($239 delivered), LFM-1c ($396 delivered), and Hsu STF-2 ($379 delivered). The Outlaw LFM-1c and Hsu STF-2 are design brothers with a slightly larger amp and much nicer finish on the Outlaw easily justifying the few extra bucks. Both are much more musical than the H-100 which for me meant more full bass experience rather than just the visceral punch and boom that the H-100 would deliver. I feared upgrade fever should I pop for the H-100. I ended up opting for the LFM-1c where I felt most comfortable with capabilities and cost. If money wasn't a constraint it would have been the LFM-1EX over the VTF-3.3 and A5-350 et all.

--Bob

What's left?
...
Are the amps comparable?


If you're looking for some arbitrary criteria to tilt the favor one way or another, how about kid-proofness? The LFM-1C is an all downward design - port and cone. The STF-2 has a rear facing port which might tempt little ones to use it as a place to stash toys.

Also, I've read that placement flexibility favors the all downward design. You don't have to give the sub as much space to breathe. (I don't KNOW this, just what I've read over the past month or so of doing my own hunting.)

Yes, the amps are comparable. They are the same design: BASH. If you look at them both in their galleries, they appear to be EXACTLY the same other than the printing. As Bob said, they are both designed by the same person, Dr. Hsu.

- Jasen.

I appreciate the response guys. I've decided on the LMF-1c. It seems like the way to go and I'm glad someone has noticed the difference in finish. Going to order today and get this part behind me. Thanks again...on to the amp/surrounds.

May be a stupid question, if Frequency Response is:
one port plugged:
16Hz. -180Hz. +/- 2 dB
no ports plugged:
22Hz. -180Hz. +/- 2 dB

Why would anyone not plug one port? Or why would there be 2 ports at all? I am considering the LFM-1EX, having a hard time since it's not on the Craigsub list. Looking for a HT rating of at least 44, "small" and "good looking"... that's not supposed to sound like a personal ad :o)

May be a stupid question, if Frequency Response is:
one port plugged:
16Hz. -180Hz. +/- 2 dB
no ports plugged:
22Hz. -180Hz. +/- 2 dB

Why would anyone not plug one port? Or why would there be 2 ports at all? I am considering the LFM-1EX, having a hard time since it's not on the Craigsub list. Looking for a HT rating of at least 44, "small" and "good looking"... that's not supposed to sound like a personal ad :o)

As I understand it, 22Hz mode should give more max output (dB) while 16Hz mode gives more extension. For high-level listening, 16Hz mode would experience dynamic range compression sooner than 22Hz mode.

I had a horrible scare yesterday. I was tuning my system and started hearing a horrible rattle from my Outlaw. Had me scared pretty fierce. All was good though, When I flipped it over I found half a small candy bar wrapper under it lol. That thing like pulls stuff under it. That’s the 2nd time something got under it and made weird noises, last time it was a pen which seriously screwed up the sound lol. Those ports must do some serious sucking.

I am considering the LFM-1EX, having a hard time since it's not on the Craigsub list. Looking for a HT rating of at least 44, "small" and "good looking"... that's not supposed to sound like a personal ad :o)

Since the LFM-1EX is designed by Dr. Hsu, take a look at it's blood brother (basically the same except finish, port locations), the Hsu VTF3.3 for a very good idea of what the LFM-1EX would garner:
Hsu VTF-3 Mark III w/o Turbo ($699 ID): 91 points (45-46)

--Bob

Pulled the trigger on the Outlaw LMF-1c. Then, like the OCD type I seem to be around stereo stuff, immediately started to think about a sealed sub. The Epik Valor reared its ugly head. In the end, a couple hundred more dollars, a definite increase in size and weight, and I settled back into the Outlaw. That 15" driver on the Valor was tempting. I hope the ported design suits my taste. If money wasn't an issue, I may have gone toward the sealed idea a little stronger. I hate this stuff. :eek::eek:

Kpilk,

I've never had any issues with my custom 18" ported sub (based on the 189ES driver, 6 of which in refrigerator sized cabinets driven by 1600w were used in theaters for the 1974 movie "Earthquake") that is mated to my modified bi-amped Magneplanar IIIa's. Well except for the early days when it would launch itself vertically off a hardwood floor :) Having carpet underneath solved that issue back then and these days it is in a carpeted room so.... You can see it in the picture above in the rear left corner.

The fact that the LFM-1c is ported doesn't concern me a whit. Matter of fact I'd rather it be ported than sealed. I know. Lots of discussion is available on the respective merits of both designs, but still.... that's the way I vote :)

--Bob

Ordered my LFM1 Compact on 1/3. Arrived this am (Missouri). At work so no opening yet. Do you guys know if the metal spikes and discs are included with the Compact. Thanks.

I believe the LFM-1 Compact are now shipping with taller plastic spikes. Outlaw confirmed they perform better with the extra elevation from the floor. They are also supposed to come with dimpled discs, but some people have reported not getting them in the box. A quick call to Outlaw would fix that if you need them.

My LFM-1EX arrived yesterday. The box is HUGE, significantly bigger than the box my LFM-1+ came in. As soon as I can find a way to get it home the LFM-1+ goes to the bedroom and the LFM-1EX goes into the home theater.

Outlaw LFM-2 just arrived and is paired with Totem Hawks run by an Outlaw RR2150. Great results! The LFM-2 blends very nicely and fills a fairly large space very well. Plays deep electronic music like massive attack with no issues at all.

Congrats lanion!! My LFM2 is on its way back to Outlaw (replaced with the LFM-1EX), but while I had it I found the LFM2 to be a GREAT musical sub. If I was looking to augment a 2-ch system it would be on my shortlist

ironically I have an LFM-1EX and a HSU MBM crammed into a *much* smaller room ( 800 cubic feet )... with an Outlaw 7900. I may have too much overhead in there :D

Current packaging of the LFM-1c only includes the taller plastic spiked feet reflective of a design change by Outlaw. The manual is still version one which indicates metal spikes plus dimpled discs as being supplied.

Several of us (laulau, etc.) have initiated on line customer service trouble tickets requesting dimpled discs. In each case the response has been prompt indicating a set would be mailed out.

I suspect eventually the packaging will include the discs and that the manual will be revised to reflect the use of the taller plastic spiked feet.

There's more on this subject in the Outlaw sub sale thread (which should have been posted in this thread, but.....)

My LFM-1EX arrived yesterday. The box is HUGE, significantly bigger than the box my LFM-1+ came in. As soon as I can find a way to get it home the LFM-1+ goes to the bedroom and the LFM-1EX goes into the home theater.


I'm jealous - been waiting for my EX to arrive. FEd Ex tracking says it will be here tomorrow. Keeping fingers crossed! I have an new auralex gramma just waiting to accommodate.

Mine finally arrived after 6pm this evening. I've posted some unboxing photos here (http://community.webshots.com/album/562060502jpnnsY). I included a picture of the new plastic spikes.

I haven't had time to do any serious setup. I started with the crossover at 80 HZ but am now using 60 Hz. Seems to sound better.

The wife and I are watching the third Pirates of the Caribbean movie right now. Sub adds nice solid bottom end.

More later.

- Jasen.

P.S. I forgot to add... The sub has taken its first victim. I was listening to the Oliphant battle in "Return of the King" and heard a strange crash from the other room. The wife and I went to investigate. A wooden shutter she had hanging on the wall fell down and broke apart. Oops. The wife is not pleased. :o

Got my EX today after having to wait an extra day because I wasn't home to sign for it yesterday. My Gramma arrived today, too: nice timing. My first impression of the EX: holy crap. The box size of my old Polk PSW650 isn't much smaller than the EX and it has two 10's vs one 12 in the Outlaw. I expected improvement, but didn't expect it to be this dramatic. The EX digs so much lower on movie effects (watched clips from War of the Worlds, Transformers, House of Flying Daggers, etc). It has much more visceral impact than the Polk. I realize now that I could have gone with a smaller Outlaw sub and still gotten a noticeable improvement in sound. I'm completely satisfied with the EX so far and glad I cancelled my PB13Ultra order and went with the Outlaw. I saved about $1k, got a smaller enclosure, and am pleased with what I got. Now waiting to see what Outlaw's new receiver is when time comes replace my 1050 (probably when I get a BluRay player).

Current packaging of the LFM-1c only includes the taller plastic spiked feet reflective of a design change by Outlaw. The manual is still version one which indicates metal spikes plus dimpled discs as being supplied.

Several of us (laulau, etc.) have initiated on line customer service trouble tickets requesting dimpled discs. In each case the response has been prompt indicating a set would be mailed out.

I suspect eventually the packaging will include the discs and that the manual will be revised to reflect the use of the taller plastic spiked feet.

There's more on this subject in the Outlaw sub sale thread (which should have been posted in this thread, but.....)

I received the dimple discs yesterday via USPS, so kudos to Outlaw customer support. After extensive testing I've discovered that the discs allow the subwoofer to produce a flat response down to 10hz...just kidding ;). But they do look nice and add about another 1/4" or so of clearance. It's been a few weeks since I got my Compact and I'm still having a blast rediscovering my music collection.

@Bob,
Glad to read (in the Outlaw Sale thread) that you were pleased with the Compact. That's a pretty good sized room you're trying fill.

Jasenj1,

Sounds like you're pleased with your choice despite your wife having to now sanity check everything hanging in the house :) Nice pix too BTW.

txmatt,

I found your comments interesting about not only the great EX performance but your thinking that a smaller Outlaw sub would still have been an improvement over the old Polk. Were you referring to the discontinued LFM-1 or the new LFM-1 compact in that context? Just curious.

--Bob

@Bob,
Glad to read (in the Outlaw Sale thread) that you were pleased with the Compact. That's a pretty good sized room you're trying fill.

Yeah things are working out great. I did recheck my measurements and the room actually is 3,426 ft3 (26' x 17' x 7.75'). That's still above the recommended max of 3k but I think they may have been a tad conservative.

I also appreciate the lead you've taken with the dimpled discs. I figure mine will show mid-next week :)

Best!
--Bob

Jasenj1,
I found your comments interesting about not only the great EX performance but your thinking that a smaller Outlaw sub would still have been an improvement over the old Polk. Were you referring to the discontinued LFM-1 or the new LFM-1 compact in that context? Just curious.
--Bob

Let me say I haven't heard any of the other Outlaw subs, but with the performance differential between the PSW650 and the LFM-1 EX, I bet the the LFM-1 compact would outperform the PSW650 and I wouldn't be shocked if the LFM-2 matched or exceeded the Polk's performance. That Polk is probably 6+ years old and I think subwoofers have progressed a long way since then. That and the "old" Polk has many hours of use on it by now.

...looking up some numbers...

Just did a search and it appears the claimed -3dB point for the PSW650 was 28Hz. Outlaw claims the LFM-1 Compact is -2dB at 25Hz and the LFM-2 is -2dB at 28Hz. Those numbers might seems to support my comparative guesses above.

Thanks txmatt. I wasn't familiar with that Polk sub but with what you've provided it all makes sense now.

Got my LMF-1c unpacked last night. Really a nice finish. I haven't got my system together so no report on sound. I'm a bit surprised with the paper type cone. I have been around subs quite a bit in car audio and most of the best SQ subs I tried had lighter weight 'paper' type cones. I wouldn't call this light weight, but it certainly looks like it should be musical, which is my main goal.

I wonder if all the Outlaws use the same driver sub, or HSU and the others for that matter. I do like the down port/down driver idea now that I see it. It allows for more flexible placement in and along the wall. I can run the wires out of the entertainment center and straight into the amp without having to expose the port or sub to the home 'elements'.

Hopefully my system will be ready to install in a week or so. Still deciding on LRC. :rolleyes:

Received the dimpled disks today and installed them under the large thermoplastic spiked feet. Nice quality thick metal with felt pads on the lower side. Excellent customer service from Outlaw.

Finally received my LFM1-EX today. What a beast! It is awesome! It was an upgrade from the STF-2. It makes a world of difference - more than I thought it would. It came wrapped in a black blanket and double boxed. Only negative was that it didn't have an instruction manual in the box. No biggie as i just printed it out now off the Outlaw website. I'll keep playing all weekend and report back on Monday. Although I 've never done it before - i'll try to post a few pics. Although I didn't post much - thanks to everyone here and in the sale thread for guidance. i did all my research through these two threads.

I received an e-mail this morning indicating that because Outlaw ran out of their LFM-1+ they are continuing their holiday sale pricing on the LFM-1EX.

From all the comments it would appear that the EX is an outstanding choice. I know it would have mated with my 3,426 ft3 room better than than the 1c I did buy but (1) I remain content with the compact's performance, and (2) really couldn't see my way clear to the extra cost of the bigger sub. That said the $549 "substitute promotion" EX pricing is quite a deal for those whose budgets can support it.

I posted some comments about my LFM-1C and a graph with some measurements here (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=12801982#post12801982).

So far I'm very pleased.

- Jasen.

Spent some time this weekend playing with the LFM-1 EX. As mentioned, I upgraded from a STF-2. It is more of an upgrade than I thought it would be. I'm no expert but the bass just spreads around the room more, is richer and deeper and really just makes my system complete. I have Polk Rti10s, CSi5 up front with the Denon 3808. Watched King Kong and Transformers with my boys. From previous viewings I remember a lot of rattle in the room. This time it was just deeper and truer sounding (not sure if that makes sense to anyone). It just sounded incredibly powerful. My kids wanted to watch Batman Returns yesterday and for an older DVD, the audio was excellent. Overall I just notice the bass a lot more, and it sounds like its not trying very hard. Sorry I don't have better terminology for this stuff, but I am ecstatic with this purchase. Oh yeah, during my beloved Giant game yesterday, we all noticed the bass like never before with all the fox graphics. Although my wife did say the loudest thump she heard all weekend was when I jumped up after RW's interception.

I just pulled the trigger on the LFM-1EX. It is still on sale for $549 ($630 with shipping). I had originally ordered the ED A3-300 but cancelled since it was a 6-8 week wait.

Oh yeah, during my beloved Giant game yesterday, we all noticed the bass like never before with all the fox graphics. Although my wife did say the loudest thump she heard all weekend was when I jumped up after RW's interception.

I like to watch football and the SciFi channel with my HT system (Outlaw sub) up and running. The networks are pumping out some nice deep bass recently. :)

I've noticed both the LFM-1+ and the LFM-1EX get a LOT better after some break in. The first day or two always seems a little ho-hum, then the sub really comes into it's own after ~10-20 hours of use. The bass is deeper and more refined and hits harder.

Anyone have any thoughts on running with or without the port plug?

With the port plug I get flat to 15hz in my little room... so that is what I use! Bring on the Organ music! I have an MBM-12 as well, so I'm not worried about a sacrifice in mid-bass performance. To be honest I have not tried in Max Output at all really, and considering I have never hit any limit yet with the sub (except when playing with 10hz test tones), so I see no reason to add output.

nice! what volume/gain are you using on your EX lanion? Currently I have mine set for max output (no plug) and ~5-6 on the volume knob for a 15x20x10 room.

well, It is going through an SMS-1, so it is hard to compare but I think it is at 1/4 volume set to max-extension with one port plugged. My room is 10x10x8, so I have sub overkill in there! (would be great to pump it up except for a paper-thin ceiling to my neighbors -- apparently I was shaking their computer keyboard so they couldn't type, but what do you expect when a meteor hits the Earth!).

It could definitely handle a MUCH larger room since my LFM-2 has no trouble filling my living room with good bass for music and material >25hz.

Any problem taking an LFM-1EX and laying it on its face so the driver and ports are facing out from a cabinet? I've read that vertical orientaion for a driver is better than horizontal.

http://www.outlawaudio.com/images/EXbottommain.gif

I've noticed both the LFM-1+ and the LFM-1EX get a LOT better after some break in. The first day or two always seems a little ho-hum, then the sub really comes into it's own after ~10-20 hours of use. The bass is deeper and more refined and hits harder.

Anyone have any thoughts on running with or without the port plug?

I have my volume set in the 4/5 range with plug. Can't imagine having more bass. But I'll try it in max mode and see what happens. My room is 14 x 20 x 8.

I own the LFM1 EX and LOVE IT!! Problem is... the auto sensing feature; no matter what format (dvd, music, tv, etc). this feature just isn't working. I have the LFE set at 80 (Onkyo 805) driving the sub and my Polk RTi10's and CSi5 and rears FXi3. I switched out cables; still not picking up the audio sensing from my Onkyo??? I wonder if its the receiver? Any ideas/Suggestions?

Thxs!!!

Hey laulau, I'm just curious. My LF1-EX should hopefully be here tomorrow, and I was reading over the forums just to get even more info on it, and more warm fuzzy's as well.
I saw you had ordered the LF1 compact, and that you had the Onkyo 705. I have the same receiver. I was just curious, what settings do you have the receiver at in terms of the subwoofer volume?

Hey laulau, I'm just curious. My LF1-EX should hopefully be here tomorrow, and I was reading over the forums just to get even more info on it, and more warm fuzzy's as well.
I saw you had ordered the LF1 compact, and that you had the Onkyo 705. I have the same receiver. I was just curious, what settings do you have the receiver at in terms of the subwoofer volume?


When I set up my system I set the volume control on the Compact to approx. the 11 o'clock position. I then ran the Audyssey calibration using 6 positions. Audyssey set the subwoofer volume on the 705 to -2, which is actually working very pretty good in my environment.

FWIW, on the 705 my subwoofer distance is set to 11.0 feet, crosses over at 90hz and all LFE are set at 0db. Also, the Compact itself is located near a corner of the room.

Of course your settings will be unique to your environment, but hope that helps.

New to the forum and just joined the group by ordering a LFM-1EX today. It seemed to be a good deal while the sale is still on. I have been wanting a VTF3-MK3 for some time now, but just cannot afford to spend $800 on a sub. Maybe I will add a MBM-12 next year to get the max out of the LFM-1EX. Now comes the hard part.... waiting for its arrival. :o

Thanks, I'm sure it will. Waiting for fedex as I type, so I'm sure this will be my weekend project :) (and a good one at that).

Any of you happy Outlaw owners coming from Def Tech origins? I have a PF15TL+ and I'm considering the on-sale LFM1-EX as an upgrade. The specs on the Def Tech are pretty good, but I can't help but think that the newer internet-only subs of the past 5 years have raised the bar. I like my sub, but can't help but wonder if there is another level of oomph I could be getting if I were to buy a new sub. Any insight would be appreciated.

More follow up: This sub has made my entire sustem sound so much better! My family is just enjoying the heck out of it. After a few days of the new sound we ended up going out and buying new theater recliners. I never imagined that a sub could make such a difference. If anyone is hesitating,all I can say is pull the trigger. At the new price the LFM-1 EX is an absolute steal and pound-for-pound the best piece of equipment I've bought.

When I set up my system I set the volume control on the Compact to approx. the 11 o'clock position. I then ran the Audyssey calibration using 6 positions. Audyssey set the subwoofer volume on the 705 to -2, which is actually working very pretty good in my environment.

FWIW, on the 705 my subwoofer distance is set to 11.0 feet, crosses over at 90hz and all LFE are set at 0db. Also, the Compact itself is located near a corner of the room.

Of course your settings will be unique to your environment, but hope that helps.

I too am running a TX-SR705 with my LFM-1c. My settings aren't all that much different from yours: 12.5' distance, xover 90Hz, -2dB sub volume, sub input sensitivity 5dB (see Analog Multich settings); and on the sub itself volume at 11 o'clock, xover "in" and set at 50Hz.

I was surprised to find that using both xovers gave the best results as did engaging the sensitivity setting on the receiver to eliminate any "booming." There are discussions elsewhere in this forum about using both a receiver and subwoofer xover to best effect.

Curious.. doesn't setting the Sub Xover at 50hz. and the receiver at 90hz., mean you're losing everything from 50-90? I've always read that the sub should be set at Max xover if you're using your receiver's xover for the LFE output. I guess if your fronts are set at 50hz. on the receiver it wouldn't matter much.

I too am running a TX-SR705 with my LFM-1c. My settings aren't all that much different from yours: 12.5' distance, xover 90Hz, -2dB sub volume, sub input sensitivity 5dB (see Analog Multich settings); and on the sub itself volume at 11 o'clock, xover "in" and set at 50Hz.

I was surprised to find that using both xovers gave the best results as did engaging the sensitivity setting on the receiver to eliminate any "booming." There are discussions elsewhere in this forum about using both a receiver and subwoofer xover to best effect.

Tom,

Honestly it doesn't pass my sanity check either but there are a lot of things that are counter-intuitive. I believe the slopes of these respective crossovers have a great deal to do with the results. They are not so sharp as to "cut off" everything below 90Hz or above 50Hz. Bottom line is that it works well for my ears.

I didn't look for the thread on the use of both xovers but if memory serves what I'm doing was discussed.

--Bob

Got a question. Just plugged my Compact in tonight and don't have it hooked up to the receiver yet. I am just now getting my Sierras so tomorrow it all goes in. I just put the Sub selector to off, red light was on...normal. I just noticed that that the amp was putting off a fair amount of heat considering it was off. Will the amp still put off heat if not in use? I read the manual and it doesn't say anything about it. I also wonder how long the other owner's power plugs are. I had several power plugs with my gear waiting to install. I assumed the Outlaw had the heavy duty one which is about 8-10' long.

Got a question. Just plugged my Compact in tonight and don't have it hooked up to the receiver yet. I am just now getting my Sierras so tomorrow it all goes in. I just put the Sub selector to off, red light was on...normal. I just noticed that that the amp was putting off a fair amount of heat considering it was off. Will the amp still put off heat if not in use? I read the manual and it doesn't say anything about it. I also wonder how long the other owner's power plugs are. I had several power plugs with my gear waiting to install. I assumed the Outlaw had the heavy duty one which is about 8-10' long.

My Outlaw compact had an amp that ran very hot to the touch. It lasted 1 hour before failure. I contacted the Outlaw boys and they had a new amp on the way to me that day. I swapped them and returned the bad amp (at no cost to me) and it is running cool as a cucumber since. Sorry, but I think you are in for a failed amp. :( I would contact Outlaw today and ask them to send you a new amp.

My Outlaw compact had an amp that ran very hot to the touch. It lasted 1 hour before failure. I contacted the Outlaw boys and they had a new amp on the way to me that day. I swapped them and returned the bad amp (at no cost to me) and it is running cool as a cucumber since. Sorry, but I think you are in for a failed amp. :( I would contact Outlaw today and ask them to send you a new amp.

Thanks. I got everything together and it works fine. In the auto position and with the system off, therefore the sub amp off (red light) it still maintains some heat. In the OFF position, it really is off and puts off no heat. When its running with the system it doesn't seem to get any hotter. Its not 'hot', but just putting out heat when not in use. Seems strange to me. I will keep an eye on it and call Outlaw and ask them a few questions.

Thanks. I got everything together and it works fine. In the auto position and with the system off, therefore the sub amp off (red light) it still maintains some heat. In the OFF position, it really is off and puts off no heat. When its running with the system it doesn't seem to get any hotter. Its not 'hot', but just putting out heat when not in use. Seems strange to me. I will keep an eye on it and call Outlaw and ask them a few questions.

Not sure about this unit. Got everything hooked up correctly. The sub is putting out very little. It is running but I can switch it off and nothing really changes as far as output. Putting my hand on the sub and it is barely moving. Disappointed to say the least. On the bright side, the Sierra's were worth the wait. However, now I'm up against the 30 trial period on the Outlaw. I am thinking I may go another route, something a bit bigger. I suspect that this is a bad unit given the heat output when off. Anyone else have a suggestion? I really like the Compact for its size and down fire/port design. Is it worth dealing with Outlaw or should I just send it back?

I'm quite pleased with mine. And again I have a vintage 18" sub in another system to compare it to. Were I in your shoes I'd call Outlaw to discuss what is going on. I'm quite sure they'll come up with a solution to your liking. You could always see about swapping it in for a LFM-EX too if you really think you need more "whomp."

That isn't right -- contact Outlaw and they should send you a new one within 24 hours and provide free shipping to return yours. Their customer service is fantastic -- then even only asked me about 4 questions when my 130lbs amp from them had one channel go out.

I really think it is the unit. I've been around car audio enough to know what a sub should do...and this one isn't doing it. I'm going to play around with it this weekend and see if I can get anything out of it. I'll call Outlaw on Monday one way or another. If its working correctly, its not the sub for me. If its bad, I'll have to decide on whether to get a replacement or go another direction. Thanks for the responses.

Kpilk,

I just recently bought the same sub. When my red light is on, there is no heat coming from the amp. Overall, it is a great sub. I am pleased with it performance (great amount of bass from the DVD's and music CD's I have listened to so far) and the wife actually likes the way it looks. Granted I am only dealing with about 2,300 cubic feet. I am thinking of adding the MBM-12 so I can plug one port on the LFM-1 EX and get the lower hz. I love the downward firing ports as it has given me more flexibility in its placement (under a desk in a corner).

Kpilk,

I just recently bought the same sub. When my red light is on, there is no heat coming from the amp. Overall, it is a great sub. I am pleased with it performance (great amount of bass from the DVD's and music CD's I have listened to so far) and the wife actually likes the way it looks. Granted I am only dealing with about 2,300 cubic feet. I am thinking of adding the MBM-12 so I can plug one port on the LFM-1 EX and get the lower hz. I love the downward firing ports as it has given me more flexibility in its placement (under a desk in a corner).

Thanks for confirming that there should be no heat in the off position. I have been going over my setup today and it is spot on. I am calling Outlaw tomorrow for a R/A. May take this opportunity to explore something else. I might even go with a LFM-1 EX since I really do have a very large area. I like the Outlaw down firing/down port...it takes the kid factor out of play. I will let you know how my customer service experience goes tomorrow. Thanks for the feedback. On the bright side the Sierra-1's really don't need a sub...they go pretty low for a 5.5" driver. They need a sub to really produce the punch I like and to really hit the low stuff with any authority, so one is coming one way or another.

Really give the LMF-1 EX a try. I don't think you will be disappointed. They shipped mine really fast from CA to FL. I think I ordered on a Thursday and received it on a Tuesday. In my very open 2,300 cubic foot room, I only have the level set just above 4 and the receiver setting on -1 db to get 80db (running 5db hot) at the listening position.

How does the SMS-1 run 3 different subs? It looks like all 3 sub outs are the same. I was under the impression that you could run each 3 sub outs at 2-3 different cut off points.

Please advise

thank you

Not sure about this unit. Got everything hooked up correctly. The sub is putting out very little. It is running but I can switch it off and nothing really changes as far as output. Putting my hand on the sub and it is barely moving. Disappointed to say the least. Is it worth dealing with Outlaw or should I just send it back?

The 10" Outlaw woofer can put out a large amount of bass. :eek: I believe that your amp is malfunctioning. If you can handle the job, get Outlaw to send you a new amp and swap it out. 10 minute job, very simple. :)

Good luck

The 10" Outlaw woofer can put out a large amount of bass. :eek: I believe that your amp is malfunctioning. If you can handle the job, get Outlaw to send you a new amp and swap it out. 10 minute job, very simple. :)

Good luck

I could do that but since I was within my 30 trial I just had them send a RA. I may go with the EX now but want to do my 'shopping' again. I love the Outlaw set up. Just one of those things...Outlaw was very cordial on the phone about the Return. No questions asked...a winner outfit imo.

How does the SMS-1 run 3 different subs? It looks like all 3 sub outs are the same. I was under the impression that you could run each 3 sub outs at 2-3 different cut off points.

Nope, it doesn't. All sub outs are the same signal

I'm seeking advice from some current Outlaw sub owners. I currently run a 7.0 setup in my theater, I have full-range speakers up front which can handle down to ~25Hz, so I've been able to convince myself that I can keep putting off purchasing a sub, until recently.

My preference is an LFM-1+, but Outlaw has been out-of-stock on them for quite some time and they don't have a firm date on when they'll be in. I can order a b-stock LFM-1 EX and get it for the same price as the LFM-1+, but it's overkill for my room (~1800 sq ft).

Any thoughts on the LFM-1 compact? The price for a b-stock model is extremely attractive, but I don't want to regret purchasing it down the road if the LFM-1+ is really what I need. Will the smaller amp in the LFM-1 compact be very noticeable in a room my size?

I'm seeking advice from some current Outlaw sub owners. I currently run a 7.0 setup in my theater, I have full-range speakers up front which can handle down to ~25Hz, so I've been able to convince myself that I can keep putting off purchasing a sub, until recently.

My preference is an LFM-1+, but Outlaw has been out-of-stock on them for quite some time and they don't have a firm date on when they'll be in. I can order a b-stock LFM-1 EX and get it for the same price as the LFM-1+, but it's overkill for my room (~1800 sq ft).

Any thoughts on the LFM-1 compact? The price for a b-stock model is extremely attractive, but I don't want to regret purchasing it down the road if the LFM-1+ is really what I need. Will the smaller amp in the LFM-1 compact be very noticeable in a room my size?

You might call them and see if you can get an EX for the $549 sale price. It might be worth a try. They seem to be doing that to compensate for the lack of the LFM-1+. They have good customer service...who knows.

I can order a b-stock LFM-1 EX and get it for the same price as the LFM-1+, but it's overkill for my room (~1800 sq ft).

Repeat after me, there's no such thing as overkill, there's no such thing as overkill... ;)

Seriously though, if you can get a better sub for the same price as a lesser sub, get the better sub every time. You can always turn the sub output down, but why not give yourself the possibility of getting more out of your sub if you find you want it.

I can order a b-stock LFM-1 EX and get it for the same price as the LFM-1+, but it's overkill for my room (~1800 sq ft).

Do you mean 1800 cubic feet? 1800 sq ft is not a small room! :eek:

It is just not a power difference either. The EX can do 16Hz versus the Compact's 25Hz (which you state your fronts do already).

Nope, it doesn't. All sub outs are the same signal

so are you better off with 3 identical subs

Do you mean 1800 cubic feet? 1800 sq ft is not a small room! :eek:

It is just not a power difference either. The EX can do 16Hz versus the Compact's 25Hz (which you state your fronts do already).

Correct, cubic feet, not square feet. I clearly wasn't thinking after doing my math. :o

My mains can get down to the 25Hz range, but my receiver doesn't have a "LFE redirect to Mains" type feature. So while I do get some decent low frequency response in my system, I'm still missing out on LFE.

My mains can get down to the 25Hz range, but my receiver doesn't have a "LFE redirect to Mains" type feature. So while I do get some decent low frequency response in my system, I'm still missing out on LFE.

My mains said they could do down to 40Hz. They could never move enough air to really feel or hear anything. Get the EX B-stock with free shipping and you will be surprised at how complete your system sounds. :)

Then you will become like some of us and want the EX to handle the low stuff and then want an MBM-12 to give you that incredible mid-bass punch in the gut. :D

so are you better off with 3 identical subs

Having 3 subs makes it easier to fine tune your settings for best results, but wouldn't say it's absolutely necessary. I'd always try to get three subs that have about the same low level extension capability

How does the Outlaw LFM-1 EX compare with the HSU VTF-3 MK3?

They seem to look exactly the same, however the Outlaw is rated at 16HZ.

I have a 4480 cubic feet room. Thanks.

From my understanding of the two....

EX
1. Is cheaper.
2. More flexible placement wise due to everything fires down.
3. Less chance of port noise due to ports firing down.
4. Has built in plexi top for possible end table use.

VTF3
1. Not as flexible placement wise due to rear firing ports and side firing sub.
2. More spl potential since Turbo is available.
3. Overall, more musical than the EX.

For 4480 cubic feet, you will probably want the VTF-3 HO with a Turbo or better yet get dual AV123 MFW-15 for not much more.

Pix of my new LFM-1 EX and HSU MBM-12:

http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/2148/homesetup01mi4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/73/homesetup02mh8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Nice job hidding them!

Nice job hidding them!

Thanks. They are wife approved! :)

Hello All,

Thanks to this currently stalled thread, I have ordered a LFM-1+ and it shipped today!

@weverb: thanks for your post on the EX vs VTF3 and the WAF.

Owners where are you?

Any additional set-up advice for me or is this thread over?

TIA,

Larry

This thread is not over. The Outlaw subs are just not as popular as HSU, SVS, AV123, etc. I think you will be very happy with the +1.

Let us know if you have any specific questions. We are all here to help. I am always learning something new.

thanks weverb!

I am glad owners are still checking in.:)

Larry

I just received the LFM-1EX yesterday and got it set up last night. Compared to my Def Tech sub I was using, well, lets just say there's no comparison. I have a 4700 cubic foot room that opens to a hallway and the kitchen so I needed more power. After I put it in place, I noticed that with the spikes the EX was still sitting very close to the carpet so I added the dimpled disk for more lift. I'm actually thinking of lifting it higher with wood blocks to provide more clearance. So my question to all the owners is how much space should I have between the bottom and the carpet? It seems that more clearance would the better for air flow and maybe better response. Am I wrong in thinking that about 3" clearance would be ideal?

Wow, roadroach357 beat me to the punch! I came here tonight to post the same question on carpet and the LFM-1+.

Wow, roadroach357 beat me to the punch! I came here tonight to post the same question on carpet and the LFM-1+.

So far I can tell you that raising it up from the spike level in deep pile carpet to the spike+dimple disc provides about 1dB SPL. Tomorrow I am going to cut some 2x2 pieces of 2x4 and raise it up even more and check the results. AND if I can find a piece of ceramic tile that will properly fit underneath I am going to try that as well (with and without the 2x4 pieces).

Hi roadroach357,

Thanks for your input about adding the dimple disc and SPL reading. I am really looking forward to your results.

Larry

So far I can tell you that raising it up from the spike level in deep pile carpet to the spike+dimple disc provides about 1dB SPL. Tomorrow I am going to cut some 2x2 pieces of 2x4 and raise it up even more and check the results. AND if I can find a piece of ceramic tile that will properly fit underneath I am going to try that as well (with and without the 2x4 pieces).

Hi roadroach357,

I worked with my LFM-1+ today. I have .5" pile carpet on top of .5" high-density carpet pad. There was very little room under the SW. I cut some pieces of hard wood and placed the SW with the spike + dimple disc on top of it. I now have 2.250" of clearance from the top of the carpet to the bottom of the SW. I haven't measured the SPL yet, but I noticed an immediate difference with playing movies. I am going to re-run the Audyssey EQ and set my levels tomorrow. What did you experience with your testing?

TIA,

Larry

Hi roadroach357,

I worked with my LFM-1+ today. I have .5" pile carpet on top of .5" high-density carpet pad. There was very little room under the SW. I cut some pieces of hard wood and placed the SW with the spike + dimple disc on top of it. I now have 2.250" of clearance from the top of the carpet to the bottom of the SW. I haven't measured the SPL yet, but I noticed an immediate difference with playing movies. I am going to re-run the Audyssey EQ and set my levels tomorrow. What did you experience with your testing?

TIA,

Larry

Hey Larry-
Sorry it took so long to reply back but here is what I did over the weekend. I used 1x4 instead of 2x4 pieces along with the dimple disc. I didn't like the way the 2x4 pieces looked so I went with the 1x4's. I didn't detect any measurable difference in SPL after I did this but I did notice a big improvement in what I perceived to be pressure that I could feel. I then bought a piece of 3/4" MDF and cut it 25x17 to fit under the sub (MDF+dimple disc+spikes). This made a huge difference in my set up and I could "feel" the bass even better as compared to firing over the carpet. I got my neighbor to come over to make sure I wasn't hearing things and he agreed that the difference was huge. I also realized that I actually need 2 of these subs since my room opens up to basically the whole house (the living room is 4700 cubic feet plus the openings). But, since I'm not going to buy another one any time soon, I was looking for a way to improve things and I think I found it using the MDF. Hope this helps.

Hi roadroach357,

Great idea! :D

I will try a 3/4" MDF under the sub. I have a 2850 cubic foot TR with a standard door as an entrance and this sub rocks the house! I am also looking for a second sub later this year or the MBM-12 Mid-Base Module from HSU.

Thanks again for your input and enjoy your new sub.:)

Larry

Hi roadroach357,

Great idea! :D

I will try a 3/4" MDF under the sub. I have a 2850 cubic foot TR with a standard door as an entrance and this sub rocks the house! I am also looking for a second sub later this year or the MBM-12 Mid-Base Module from HSU.

Thanks again for your input and enjoy your new sub.:)

Larry

I'm also looking at the MBM-12 since my Def Tech speakers don't really have any impact with mid-bass. I've been doing some research the last couple of days and I'm going to try and build one myself if I can figure out which woofer and crossover to use.

laugsbach & roadroach357,

Thanks for sharing your results. I am following this closely. Maybe the Subdude, or similar, device would work the best. It should be very similar to what you have done so far.

As for the MBM-12, I currently added one to my EX and it made a world of difference. I can now leave the EX in max extension mode for the low frequencies and the MBM just rocks the mids. It is truly worth the investment. :D

laugsbach & roadroach357,

Thanks for sharing your results. I am following this closely. Maybe the Subdude, or similar, device would work the best. It should be very similar to what you have done so far.

As for the MBM-12, I currently added one to my EX and it made a world of difference. I can now leave the EX in max extension mode for the low frequencies and the MBM just rocks the mids. It is truly worth the investment. :D

I was afraid someone would say this about the MBM-12....decisions, decisions

I was afraid someone would say this about the MBM-12....decisions, decisions

To play the role of the devil...:cool:

Just buy it! :D

I have a 5,000 cubic foot room, and I'm looking for a sub in the $500-700 range. It will be primarily used for movies/tv and some music (probably 80% movies/tv however). My mains are Polk RTi A7's.

Is the LFM-1 EX enough sub for a 5,000 square foot room? How would the LFM-1 EX compare to the SVS PB12? Would something like a Polk PSW 505 (which has a 16" driver) be better for the large space?

I have a 5,000 cubic foot room, and I'm looking for a sub in the $500-700 range. It will be primarily used for movies/tv and some music (probably 80% movies/tv however). My mains are Polk RTi A7's.

Is the LFM-1 EX enough sub for a 5,000 square foot room? How would the LFM-1 EX compare to the SVS PB12? Would something like a Polk PSW 505 (which has a 16" driver) be better for the large space?

I would say the EX is too small for your room. I would go with the MFW-15 if your budget and timeline would permit.

After listening to Nemos Darla scene, I can honestly say I am SHOCKED by the output of my LFM-1 Plus, its downright amazing what a good subwoofer can do!

My room size is about 2000, with another 1000 connecting (big open wall).

If you are looking for a $500 subwoofer, this takes the cake in my book, bar none!

Hi combos99,

New owner of a LFM-1+ here and I agree with you.

If you want an intense LFE movie, rent or buy Cloverfield....the "Shaky Camera" bit gets old very quickly, however, sit back and enjoy your subwoofer!

Larry

I would say the EX is too small for your room. I would go with the MFW-15 if your budget and timeline would permit.

Thanks for the advice. I've heard the same thing from 4 people today, so I just ordered the MFW-15. Now I wait...

Hi combos99,

New owner of a LFM-1+ here and I agree with you.

If you want an intense LFE movie, rent or buy Cloverfield....the "Shaky Camera" bit gets old very quickly, however, sit back and enjoy your subwoofer!

Larry

Congrats people on your new toys. I actually think Hot Fuzz was better for bass and overall a better movie.

Hi weverb,

I was showing my wife your pictures in post #202 and she noticed in your second picture you have the same wood figure of a standing man & woman that we have. A friend of ours gave that to us after our wedding two years ago.

I told her just another reason to add the HSU MBM-12 to our system.:D

Larry

Hi weverb,

I was showing my wife your pictures in post #202 and she noticed in your second picture you have the same wood figure of a standing man & woman that we have. A friend of ours gave that to us after our wedding two years ago.

I told her just another reason to add the HSU MBM-12 to our system.:D

Larry

:D That's the best reasoning I have ever heard!

been looking to get a new sub for a while now, was looking ed a3-300 vs. HSU VFT 2 mk3, but have decided on an LFM-1+. I plan on calling on Monday, but does anyone know if it is possible to pick up the sub in Easton? I live just out side boston so I could make the road trip.

thanks

I haven't heard of anyone doing that before, but I don't recall the question ever coming up, either. It's worth asking.

Hey littlegoat,

My LFM-1+ was shipped on 4-1-08 from Carson, CA....

Good luck with your new sub, you are going to love it!

Larry

thanks gonk & larry.

I will post what the answer is after work monday. Seems like a no, but can't hurt to ask

so you can not pick up a sub in Easton, it has to be shipped.
Anyway hopefully the LFM-1+ will be here shortly.

Hey littlegoat,

My shipment left on 4-1 and arrived at my local Fed-Ex by 4-4 (Friday late in the day). Finally delivered early on 4-7. I live in Ohio, maybe tack on one more day for your sub.

Good luck with your new toy! Let us all know what you think.

Larry

I'm debating between the lfm-1 compact and the hsu stf-2. I just can't decide between the two. The lfm has a slightly more powerful amp (225 vs 200) but it weighs less than the hsu. Do you guys think the weight difference will affect the performance of the outlaw?
My home theater is in my basement in one half of a very long room, (11' x 36' x 7.5') I have two couches, the back couch sits on a 12" riser, and I have a black cloth devider closing off the theater from the rest of the room, making the theater 1500 ft3. total area of room is around 3000ft3 will either of these subs suffice?
thanks in advance

I'm debating between the lfm-1 compact and the hsu stf-2. I just can't decide between the two. The lfm has a slightly more powerful amp (225 vs 200) but it weighs less than the hsu. Do you guys think the weight difference will affect the performance of the outlaw?
My home theater is in my basement in one half of a very long room, (11' x 36' x 7.5') I have two couches, the back couch sits on a 12" riser, and I have a black cloth devider closing off the theater from the rest of the room, making the theater 1500 ft3. total area of room is around 3000ft3 will either of these subs suffice?
thanks in advance

You are going to need something with more power to fill 3,000 ft3! I would look at the EX or one of the more powerful HSU subs. I have a EX and a MBM-12 in an area just under 2,300 ft3. There are times I wish I had a more powerful sub like the MFW-15 to fill the space. Then again, my room is open to other spaces. With yours being a basement, you probably will get away with an EX, HSU 2.3, or HSU 3.3. The weight of the sub will effect how well the sub plays/handles the lower hz.

Hey weverb-

What speaker set-up are you using along with the MBM-12?

scpete26-

I'm using the EX in a 4700 cubic ft. room with openings and its really not enough for my situation due to placement issues. But, I would definitely recommend the EX for your room size and turn it down if you have to. It is very powerful but in my situation it's squeezed into a corner next to a large entertainment center and a 4 foot wall. So in effect, mine is not fully "corner loaded" so to speak.

Hey weverb-

What speaker set-up are you using along with the MBM-12?

I am hesitant to say since they do not get much props or support on here... I am running Triangle Antals with a Triangle center and M&K K4's for rears.

Guys, $400 is my budget, I really would LOVE to get a bigger sub, but I don't want to be stuck sleeping on the porch either! right now I'm running a 125 watt htd level 2 sub (10") and it sounds pretty good, but it doesn't make your chest rattle or anything. I just need a little more umph, and a little more power in the lower end because with the new uncompressed audio, my htd sub clips out quite a bit. So do you guys think a 200 watt sub will be ok? maybe I could run both the new sub and my old one if I could get them sounding good together. I don't necessarily need to fill up the whole 3000 feet of area, just the 1500 feet that my theater is in.
Let me know what you guys think, and thanks for your advice.

Go for the Hsu, it's a great sub.

sub(lfm 1+) is up an running, ordered on monday and received today. haven't played to much but sounds great so far. the tank tapping in finding nemo sounded & felt great. very happy so far

I ordered a b-stock hsu stf2.. got a pretty good deal on it.. thanks for the advice guys..

sub(lfm 1+) is up an running, ordered on monday and received today. haven't played to much but sounds great so far. the tank tapping in finding nemo sounded & felt great. very happy so far

If you want an incredible LFE experience, rent or buy Cloverfield. After the first 15 minutes, it's non-stop LFE.:D

Also check out this thread:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=755493

Good Luck and Enjoy!

Larry

If you want an incredible LFE experience, rent or buy Cloverfield. After the first 15 minutes, it's non-stop LFE.:D

Also check out this thread:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=755493

Good Luck and Enjoy!

Larry

thanks Larry

it's a movie I want to see anyway, now there is another reason

just curious are most of you running max output or extension? I'm in output now

just curious are most of you running max output or extension? I'm in output now

Extension - due to the added MBM. :D

thanks Larry

it's a movie I want to see anyway, now there is another reason

just curious are most of you running max output or extension? I'm in output now

Hey littlegoat,

I have set it both ways for a couple of weeks and settled in on extension. I watch movies 100% of the time and when you watch Cloverfield, extension, IMHO. Also, I have placed my sub near-field (behind my sofa) until the MBM shows up.

weverb is right; I can't wait to get the Hsu MBM:D

Larry

yeah, I am done for a bit with new purchases. wife has been great, but another sub might be tough to explain. Still can't believe how much of a difference the outlaw is over the old JBL. Great with movies, the PS3 and music. I will give it a week or so in output and then switch to extension and see what sounds(and feels):D better

Ok our mind is made up...the wife and I are going with an LFM+

We have hardwood floors, has anyone ordered recently and received the discs with their order? I read in the thread a little while back that they weren't shipping with the floor discs and people had to call to get them shipped.

Edit: Bought an SVS 20-39 PCI instead.

Ok our mind is made up...the wife and I are going with an LFM+

We have hardwood floors, has anyone ordered recently and received the discs with their order? I read in the thread a little while back that they weren't shipping with the floor discs and people had to call to get them shipped.

I asked about the discs when I called to place my order, and the rep. said the ship with any order. They have worked great on the hard wood, and both the spikes and discs are metal. The discs have felt backing to prevent damage to your floor.
Enjoy your new +

I just became an Outlaw owner.

I ordered an LFM 1 plus last Fri, and Fed Ex delivered it today, that's good shipping.

I received the discs with my order.

I'm probably going to wait until this weekend to set it up and try to get it dialed in. It'll be movie night Saturday night!


Edit for misspelling and unintended inuendo's :eek:

Hello Rivrrat,

Congratulations on your purchase! The LFM-1+ just rocks the house!

Let us all know what you think after you dialed it in. Enjoy.

Larry

Any news on when Outlaw is going to do a hdmi 1.3 receiver? I currently own an Outlaw 1070 Home Theater Receiver. (A great receiver by the way).:) However I am missing all of the new audio formats from my PS3. :mad:

I have come sooooooooooo close to buying a denon 3808 but am waiting to see what outlaw can do. (But one can only wait so long:D).

PS. I also own the Outlaw LFM-1 and agree that the beast just rocks music and movies.