Hi folks. It's been a long time since I've visited this forum.

Several years ago I purchased an XG135LC, a Stewart Luxus/SR-1 92" 16:9 Studiotek 130 Electriscreen, and a Rock processor.

I had Jeff Bryngelson out to install and calibrate, and turn down the brightness for the initial break-in. Everything was awesome! I put about 1266 hours on the projector before we found out that we were expecting another son and decided to move/buy a new home. Since then, everything has been sitting in its box, awaiting the day when motivation will take over procrastination.

Well, the day has finally come, however the objectives are different now and I'm wondering what this stuff will sell for. Any suggestions on what I should examine to prep the items for sale? What the going rate, etc?

As always, thanks for your advice.

Bob :)

It totally depends on tube condition and chassis hours. If thats only 1200 hours total then thats worth quite a bit ($2500+).

I bought my XG 1100 with no wear on the tubes for 1500 a year and a half ago for comparison. It had around 10K set hours by the way.

Thanks for the reply.

Yep, 1266 hours total. I would find it hard to believe there would be any wear on the tubes. Whats the best way to verify tube condition?

Pull the lenses of the G and B tubes. I'll bet there will be wear visible, esp. within a 16:9 screen. If there's ANY 16:9 wear, the set value plummets massively..:(

LC tubes are now $795 from VDC I believe. Any way you can install and use the set? That would really be your best bet.

Its pretty much useless if the wear is a small pattern/ the pj was setup to the specs of the manual. I'm not sure if prices at VDC have gone up but they were $695 as of Feb. 07. I have a receipt of a LC tube purchase at that time.

Its pretty much useless if the wear is a small pattern/ the pj was setup to the specs of the manual.

??? What are you talking about? There are 1200 hours on the set, not 6000. It was calibrated and I doubt if there's going to be much wear, if any.

Sorry, I could be high by $100.

Jeff, I'll bet you a donut that there is visible wear on the green. Light, but it will be there.

Sorry, I could be high by $100.

Jeff, I'll bet you a donut that there is visible wear on the green. Light, but it will be there.
Why do you think so? Do the LCs drive the green much harder or something? If it was calibrated I hope that it was set closer to the screen than the manual recommends.


btw I don't like donuts, so no bet ;)

Why do you think so? Do the LCs drive the green much harder or something? If it was calibrated I hope that it was set closer to the screen than the manual recommends.


btw I don't like donuts, so no bet ;)

Jeff, the green on XG's go real quick.

At 5.5 foot lamberts on a 120" 4:3 1.3 gain screen, my G70 (same tubes as XGLC) had wear at 1000 hours albeit, very light wear.

Cliff

It totally depends on tube condition and chassis hours. If thats only 1200 hours total then thats worth quite a bit ($2500+).

I bought my XG 1100 with no wear on the tubes for 1500 a year and a half ago for comparison. It had around 10K set hours by the way.
Key words..."a year and a half ago".
Don't know how much you've been paying attention to general crt prices/values, but they have PLUMMETED for all but a very, very select few resellers who offer comprehensive warranty support, etc., and even their prices have fallen by an appreciable amount if their website and ebay listings are any indication.
The "value" of crt projectors is in full decline, and anyone who says differently either isn't watching the market, or is a seller.
But who knows ? With this nice big ad in the general forum you might attract a better offer than you would have gotten if you'd simply paid your money and listed it for sale in the proper PAID "For Sale" forum or on Videogon, or on Ebay where a simple search of closed items would give you a very accurate idea of where prices for items that have actually SOLD are now...

What Overclkr said. I'm not trying to be a naysayer, but to this day I keep getting sets in where the seller knows something about CRTs, they tell me the tubes are 'mint' and they have either significant wear, fungus or other tube flaws.

Unless the set was run with the contrast and brightness and well under default due to a Torus screen or similar, I'll bet there will be a bit of wear.

$1000 - $1300

Curt,
If that is the case, then why do you say you can get 8k-10k hours out of a set of tubes?

Key words..."a year and a half ago".
Don't know how much you've been paying attention to general crt prices/values, but they have PLUMMETED for all but a very, very select few resellers who offer comprehensive warranty support, etc., and even their prices have fallen by an appreciable amount if their website and ebay listings are any indication.
The "value" of crt projectors is in full decline, and anyone who says differently either isn't watching the market, or is a seller.
But who knows ? With this nice big ad in the general forum you might attract a better offer than you would have gotten if you'd simply paid your money and listed it for sale in the proper PAID "For Sale" forum or on Videogon, or on Ebay where a simple search of closed items would give you a very accurate idea of where prices for items that have actually SOLD are now...

Yea, I tried to imply that in my post. Wish I was getting into CRT now...prices are amazing!

And relax a bit. I'm sure when he's ready to sell he'll subscribe to the for sale forum. He's just trying to get an idea before he sells.

Yonexsp,
You really think only $1000-1300? Thats insane...makes me almost want to buy it since Cliff's screen shots make me wish I had LC :p.

But I guess it all depends on the tube condition as Curt said.

Professional resellers aside, any XGLC with a bit o'wear now is not selling for much. Just see e bay, videogon etc. The writing is on the wall for all to see.

I listed mine recently, but '0' enquiries at $1500US with the mount & a moome card installed, so I pulled it. Not worth selling it at $1k, better to keep it.

I paid $1800 for a 1352 with slight wear about two years ago and retubed the blue & green with new OEM's for another $1K. I'd still have it if I hadn't come across a Marquee goldmine two weeks after the retube.

I listed mine recently, but '0' enquiries at $1500US with the mount & a moome card installed, so I pulled it. Not worth selling it at $1k, better to keep it. it's summer now, sales for all AV equipment new or used is very slow. It's not the tolling of the Bell everyone seems to enjoy chicken littleing about every fricking year. sure prices come down steadilly every year, that's normal for used equipment. Re-list your machine in the Fall and i'm sure the $1500. with the moome card will be gotten without much trouble.

it's summer now, sales for all AV equipment new or used is very slow.

I can attest to that 100%

-Gary

But motorcycle and home prices are skyrocketing. :(

Curt,
If that is the case, then why do you say you can get 8k-10k hours out of a set of tubes?

Because typically you CAN.

The problem with 16:9 wear is that it's a lot harder to get the new image within the wear area. If you have a large 4:3 wear, you can fit in a 16:9 image pretty easily, even if you have sliight use of the virgin phosphor on say one side. It's not an issue. When you're dealing with 16:9 wear, you're dealing with a smaller area of the tube, and now have to worry about shooting into the wear area on all 4 sides rather than just left-right.

If you maintain the same system, screen size and installation, you'll slowly lose the proper white balance as the tubes wear, but until you hit 7-8000 hours, you won't typically notice it.

I just repaired a PG Xtra for an orignal owner with 5600 hours on the set. The green tube was maybe a 5-6, and the owner said the tubes were in good shape. I showed him the wear, and he was really surprised to see how much more green the whites should have had when I increased the height into virgin phosphor. He re-installed the set, same throw, same mounting bracket, ran it within the wear area and he's good to go for another 3-5 years.

But motorcycle and home prices are skyrocketing. :( don't know anything about motorcycles, well except that I don't want to die on one. :D They must be going up because of the 3 dollar gas thing though?
AFA homes, they have bottomed out here and it's not over yet. Thanks to sub-prime lending and the tendency of people to re-fi and use their home as an ATM machine the market in CO is full of repo's. IT's sad, the biggest dream from most people is to own their own home and once again that dream has been shat on by greedy scum-bag bankers. :(
Oh back the OT, I would think an XG135LC with perfect or almost perfect tubes should fetch $2K or a little less on Videogon, but not over the summer. It's still a better choice than a horrible Sony Pearl and will go head to head with an RS1 and beat in some areas for 1/3rd the price.

With near 1200 hrs on my 1352 there is zero wear on any tube. The key is not hours whereas the contrast level setting. If you like it bright you will pay for it quickly.

Yonexsp,
You really think only $1000-1300? Thats insane...makes me almost want to buy it since Cliff's screen shots make me wish I had LC :p.


gotta think that is pretty close - a mod just gave away a low hour Runco 991, with mount and an old school vp. For 600 bucks. So yes, LC is better, mint is better than low hours, but it looks like Curt and others may want to do some selling while they can. Before they end up like my local Sams Club - the one that wouldn't mark down their P4 2.8 desktop, sat on it way too long, and ended up selling it for about 800 bucks under cost. Instead of cutting their losses at a C under cost, back when they could have.

But, as some have said, is an awesome time to buy. Its nice to know that when my 980 bites the dust, I can probably replace it for not much more than the price of a bulb in a lcd data projector. :p

But, as some have said, is an awesome time to buy. Its nice to know that when my 980 bites the dust, I can probably replace it for not much more than the price of a bulb in a lcd data projector. :p
Hmm...I wonder if CRT will continue to decrease in price or if the supply will decrease enough for the prices to actually rise? Interesting, but near impossible to predict.

Curt,
You may be correct in that you can go that long on a set of tubes (especially red), but as you pointed out the tubes may be extremely worn. Not many around here would accept a 5 rated tube.

With near 1200 hrs on my 1352 there is zero wear on any tube. The key is not hours whereas the contrast level setting. If you like it bright you will pay for it quickly.

Agreed! This is why when I set up my CRT again I will probably go with a UHG Torus screen.


Hmm...I wonder if CRT will continue to decrease in price or if the supply will decrease enough for the prices to actually rise? Interesting, but near impossible to predict.

It will be digitals that continue to effect CRT prices. There are far more people going from CRT to digital than vice versa. This will continue to keep the supply up for awhile. At the point where supply gets low, digitals will have all but over taken CRT and only a few proud Jedi will still adhere to this ancient religion.:) Right now the biggest difference between digital and CRT is on/off cr. If digital gets to 100k to 1 (say with Brightside technology), then that would eliminate CRTs biggest advantage. The best advice is to jump in now and buy an 8" pj (if on a budget) or a 9" pj (price no object) and put new tubes in it. You are then good for the next couple of years. At this point (as Clarence says) digitals may be an upgrade instead of a lateral. I still believe some sort of large flat panel will be more desireable than a FP at that time.

Curt,
You may be correct in that you can go that long on a set of tubes (especially red), but as you pointed out the tubes may be extremely worn. Not many around here would accept a 5 rated tube.
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True, but it will also depend on the setup. A couple of years ago I got 5 XG 85s that were used in a sports bar. 8000-9000 hours on each set. The tubes were worn, but surprisingly little and the image was still very useable, as the raster had been maxed out right to the edges of the tubes. I've seen XGs with 3000 hours set up to factory spec with that throw distance that is too long with more wear.

But motorcycle and home prices are skyrocketing. :(

Maybe in Texas!
don't know anything about motorcycles, well except that I don't want to die on one. :D They must be going up because of the 3 dollar gas thing though?
AFA homes, they have bottomed out here and it's not over yet. Thanks to sub-prime lending and the tendency of people to re-fi and use their home as an ATM machine the market in CO is full of repo's. IT's sad, the biggest dream from most people is to own their own home and once again that dream has been shat on by greedy scum-bag bankers. :(


I agree. The market in Florida is still in turmoil especially in Miami. A real estate friend just sold his fixer upper house for $2.3 million on Miami Beach. He wanted $2.7 million. After all the work and everything, he just about broke even. He said he is staying out as the market is just going down further. There are actually a large number of high rises going up in downtown Miami and the joke is no one knows who is going to live in them. A lot of people pre-bought thinking they were going to make money flipping them, but I think the realization is starting to take hold that they are going to lose money as well as the builders. Unfortunately I have no sympathy. As you said buying a home is one of the biggest dreams, but a lot of buyers are priced out of the market.

As for the bankers, you are right. I am being squeezed by the banks right now since my business hasn't been as successful as I had hoped.

Wishful thinking methinks on RISING CRT prices..:)

I'm currently blowing out ES focusing sets, some at cost. I'll still support them for years, but 8" EM focusing sets and above is where the business is right now. Service and support is insane, it keeps me hopping. I'm buying record numbers of semiconductors..:)

BTW, FWIW, you'd be surprised how many digital sales guys have CRTs at home...;)

"Yeah. I sell digitals, but wouldn't watch one personally"

;)

Names withheld to protect the guilty.

Hmm...I wonder if CRT will continue to decrease in price or if the supply will decrease enough for the prices to actually rise? Interesting, but near impossible to predict. I have to agree with Curt, pricxes rising is really hard to imagine. What i've seen in 4 years is they level off, then drop a little, then level off, and drop a little again. I can see almost all makes continuing to do this , especially the ones no longer in production. The only model that might level off and stay there for a while is the current Marquee Ultra's being bult in Florida. It will be 4 or 5 years before those hit the secondary market and it will be interesting to se their value at that time.

Sure - there will be a market for high quality, "minty" 9" machines for quite a while - but the real action is going to be in the 90% machines - the top 8"ers that are almost as good as the 9" models. Shoot - that's where I'm at right now. Have considered pulling the trigger on a G90 and a Marquee - in both cases, went into theater first, and decided that mine looked good enough - at least good enough that I couldn't justify the 7 or 8k I would have to spend on the 9" machine. Particularly when figuring in the resale value of my pj (which, unless I'm on audiogon, and my store name starts with Go....., is non-existent.) (Curt - you need to take lessons from them - 7k for a 980 ultra -- shoot, I'd sell mine for 3 :D)

Sorry to butt in with a slightly different question, but this is along the same lines. How much do you think an almost complete set of boards for two sets of XGs and a set of lenses is worth? (BTW the lenses have the antiglare coating coming off so they aren't perfect but have no scratches)
No one grip and complain because I'm asking, I already have a buyer and just need to give him a number so this isn't for free advertising. I don't want to scare him off with an insane amount but would like to give a resonable offer. Thanks.

edit: a list of these items is posted on Curt's site if that would help.

IMO set of boards = $250 per projector.

Lenses = $200 perfect, $150 with coating worn.

So $600 or so I think.

A 5% decrease in house prices doesn't mean they aren't still 20% over the price from a couple years ago. But I was referring to prices going up in the summer time when everyone wants to move, vs. in the winter/spring when everyone stays where they are.

Btw, the boom on repo's is mostly over. I missed out on that. Not as many repo's out there now as there was six months ago. I found a good one for myself, but it nearly a two month process to get into it and I found out last week that it needed $30K in plumbing repair, so I had to drop the house. Was supposed to close on it last Friday. :(
It's value went up by almost 6% according to zillow.com. And that was just in the last month and a half. I guess they don't know about the plumbing issue huh.

The Austin, Texas area prices have been on a slow, steady rise.

Motorcycle prices also go up heading into the summer months because thats when everyone wants to ride.