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Hksvr4

09-01-09, 07:21 PM

What's up everyone. I just sold my Klipsch towers and was looking into these speakers. I don't what to spend more than $600 +/-. I just need the front three. A pair of CBM-170 SE's and the 340 center. Or should I get a pair of 340 for the mains as well. I am also looking at svs, ed, and swan diva's. How do they compare from each other. I have been reading some good review on the Ascend's. Serria's are out of my budget.

I had the F2's and they are bright from my ears. They sound very direct and in your face. Which I didn't like. They are good for movies but I do 50/50 music and movies. I want something warm with a big image from a small box. No Floorstanders. I also had a chance to here Paradigm monitor 7's and that's the kind of sound I'm looking for.

Thanks for your Help!

DreamCatcher

09-01-09, 08:12 PM

Hey dc,

I had the Piano Black Sierras and I much prefer the Dark Cherry. As I said earlier almost like the Dynaudio Piano Rosewood finsh. Are you using the Sierras for HT or for Music?

Bill

Hey Bill,
You're right.... the Dark Cherry is amazing looking!
Mine just arrived today:)
I'm using them in a HT system,
3 - Sierra's across the front
4 - HTM 200se's for surrounds (2-side surrounds/2-front wide)
I'm using the Denon 4310 and a Seaton SubMersive sub

Looking forward to listening to that "Sierra" sound once again.............

dc

chas_w

09-01-09, 09:05 PM

DreamCatcher

09-01-09, 09:21 PM

How do you like the wides?

Haven't actually got the wides setup yet,
but will in the next couple of days.
I'll let you know then.

dc

cschang

09-01-09, 09:34 PM

Hksvr4

09-01-09, 09:47 PM

How big is your room?

Listening position is 10ft from the speakers. The room is 12x10.

cschang

09-01-09, 10:03 PM

Listening position is 10ft from the speakers. The room is 12x10.
The 170SE's will fill the room without a problem, but coming from the F2's which is a floorstander, you might want to go with the 340SE's for the front three if you can swing it.

Hksvr4

09-01-09, 10:08 PM

The 170SE's will fill the room without a problem, but coming from the F2's which is a floorstander, you might want to go with the 340SE's for the front three if you can swing it.

Do you how they compare to the Paradigm studio 20's?

Bill Mac

09-01-09, 10:14 PM

Hey Bill,
You're right.... the Dark Cherry is amazing looking!
Mine just arrived today:)
I'm using them in a HT system,
3 - Sierra's across the front
4 - HTM 200se's for surrounds (2-side surrounds/2-front wide)
I'm using the Denon 4310 and a Seaton SubMersive sub

Looking forward to listening to that "Sierra" sound once again.............

dc

Excellent:)! I look forward to your thoughts on the Sierras with the 4310 and also on using the front wides. I swear the Dark Cherry sounds better than the Piano Black Sierras:eek:. Talk about the ultimate placebo effect:D.

Bill

Hksvr4

09-01-09, 10:21 PM

opps...I'm in the wrong place..sorry.

DreamCatcher

09-02-09, 12:03 PM

Excellent:)! I look forward to your thoughts on the Sierras with the 4310 and also on using the front wides. I swear the Dark Cherry sounds better than the Piano Black Sierras:eek:. Talk about the ultimate placebo effect:D.

Bill

Agreed.... the Dark Cherrys do sound better than the Piano Black Sierra's:D

Attached is a picture of my Sierra setup so far.....

DreamCatcher

09-02-09, 12:08 PM

A couple more pics

Bill Mac

09-02-09, 03:32 PM

Agreed.... the Dark Cherrys do sound better than the Piano Black Sierra's:D

Attached is a picture of my Sierra setup so far.....

dc,

Very nice:)! What stands are those and what do you use to secure them to the stands? Nice with the PDP and the big screen;). What Panny is that and what size screen? I have the TH-50PH9 but I am seriously looking at the new 58V10:).

Bill

DreamCatcher

09-02-09, 09:17 PM

dc,

Very nice:)! What stands are those and what do you use to secure them to the stands? Nice with the PDP and the big screen;). What Panny is that and what size screen? I have the TH-50PH9 but I am seriously looking at the new 58V10:).

Bill

The stands are the VTI 24"", right now I'm just using the little sticky pads that come with the Sierra's.
The Panny is the PF6510U, I'm also looking at the V10 65" :)

DreamCatcher

09-07-09, 02:35 PM

I guess Sierra owners are too busy enjoying their speakers to post:)
My first week back with the Sierra's has been a very good one.
Using three Sierra's across the front stage is definately magical.
The HTM-200's work well with the Sierra's as surround speakers.
They mate with the Omnimount 20's very well for wall mounting.
One thing I've talked to Ascend about is getting the full grills for all my Sierra's, not just the center speaker. I, and a friend of mine, like the look of the full grills more than the partical grills that come with the main pair of Sierra's.
It just looks a little cleaner.... in our opinion.
Ascend agreed to exchange grills, no problem.

I'm still amazed at what I'm hearing from the Sierra's.
They make you want to sit down and listen, and listen, and listen.
Bass quality and quanity from these little guys is worth the price of admission alone.

And the Dark Cherry finish is getting rave reviews from wife and all those who see them:)

xcjago

09-07-09, 03:02 PM

cschang

09-07-09, 09:25 PM

DreamCatcher

09-07-09, 10:55 PM

I've been running my Sierras full range since selling my JL F112, currently running sub-less and I honestly don't miss is it that much. Powered by my Onkyo 805, the Sierras alone are giving me fantastic sound.

xcjago.... Are you using your Sierra's in a home theater system or two channel system?
If home theater system what are you using for center and surrounds?
And if home theater I think you're going to need a subwoofer to get the full effect:cool:

dc

xcjago

09-08-09, 12:28 AM

Ya it was nice, best sub I ever owned. But I just couldn't enjoy it completely while sharing common walls with neighbors.

I'd say I mostly use my system for music and watching TV. Movies once in a while. I was using some M&K K5s for surrounds but I've taken those down as well. Although I'm not planning on selling those. Got 'em hooked up to my computer right now. They make great little pc speakers.

Mitch G

10-08-09, 01:35 PM

Bill Mac

10-10-09, 06:55 PM

FYI: Ascend has a deal going on until November 9 where they pay for the shipping to your house and they pay for the shipping back to them if you decide not to keep the speakers (as if that would happen :)).

Mitch

That is a sweet deal:). If anyone was hesitant to demo the Sierra-1s due to shipping costs can place their order now. Once I got my Sierras there was never any doubt that I would be sending them back. I have had no urge at all to change to a different speaker;). Whether it is 2 CH music or HT I could not be happier and the Dark Cherry finish is awesome.

The added bonus is the service from Ascend. There was a slight mix up with the original Piano Black Sierras I ordered and Dave at Ascend bent over backwards to make a minor issue right. About the best service I have ever received on any purchase I have ever made:).

Bill

TKYR1967

10-10-09, 07:13 PM

I bought a pair of Natural Sierra-1s a few months back and recently sold them to buy Gloss Espresso.

cschang

10-10-09, 07:22 PM

You guys trying to make us naturals feel bad? :)

unclepauly

10-11-09, 01:32 AM

I want to try out the sierra 1's but I have one problem which to most would be the opposite of a problem. My girlfriend doesn't like bookshelves, she only likes floorstanders. She thinks bookshelves are dainty and weak looking :D. Is there a floorstander that I could later buy to match up with the sierra 1's and the center for HT duty?

bk_856er

10-11-09, 01:40 AM

I want to try out the sierra 1's but I have one problem which to most would be the opposite of a problem. My girlfriend doesn't like bookshelves, she only like floorstanders. She thinks bookshelves are dainty and weak looking :D. Is there a floorstander that I could later buy to match up with the sierra 1's and the center for HT duty?

It's not the size of the speaker, it's the....never mind....

Put the sierra's on some beefy floor stands - problem solved!

BK

unclepauly

10-11-09, 02:30 AM

You're right, I was just skimming this thread and seen some awesome looking stands that match the natural bamboo finish. Are these readily available anywhere? I think I may have finally found my speaker after a month of grueling internet research.

Grandarf

10-11-09, 09:39 AM

cschang

10-11-09, 10:23 AM

Actually if you're lucky, these stands (http://forum.ascendacoustics.com/showthread.php?p=33191#post33191) will still be available, 120$ seems like an awesome price. They used to be made by Jason Coleman, not sure if he's still building them though. Anyhow, getting these used for less $ is something I wouldn't pass up if I was interested in getting matching stands...

The seller is also a member here, you could try to contact him here http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/member.php?u=7619503 (not vouching for him or anything though)
I ended up buying the center stand in that set. I actually don't have a need for it yet, but planning in advance for a new TV. I already had the L/R stands from Jason, and wasn't sure if he was going to make more. The workmanship is great, and suit the naturals fine. I also have them each filled with about 50lbs of sand....very sturdy and solid.

I can vouch for the seller. Easy to do business with....prompt shipping.

alphaiii

10-13-09, 11:13 AM

I ended up buying the center stand in that set. I actually don't have a need for it yet, but planning in advance for a new TV. I already had the L/R stands from Jason, and wasn't sure if he was going to make more. The workmanship is great, and suit the naturals fine. I also have them each filled with about 50lbs of sand....very sturdy and solid.

I can vouch for the seller. Easy to do business with....prompt shipping.

Thanks for the kind words Curtis.

alphaiii

10-13-09, 11:13 AM

unclepauly

10-13-09, 11:53 AM

alphaiii I'm still talking to the girlfriend but it looks like I'm going to snag those stands from you. I'll know in the next day or so.

alphaiii

10-13-09, 02:49 PM

alphaiii I'm still talking to the girlfriend but it looks like I'm going to snag those stands from you. I'll know in the next day or so.

Sounds good....just shoot me a pm if you want them...

koven

10-13-09, 03:49 PM

does anyone know which b&w speakers compare with the sierra-1?

is the sierra-1 superior to the 685? this is purely for music

unclepauly

10-13-09, 03:51 PM

From everything I've read the Dynaudio 110/140 is very close to the sierra 1 in performance.

cschang

10-13-09, 04:52 PM

does anyone know which b&w speakers compare with the sierra-1?

is the sierra-1 superior to the 685? this is purely for music
Do you have access to the 685's now? If so, and you are in the continental US, take advantage of the free shipping offer and compare them yourself....you got nothing to lose.

xcjago

10-13-09, 09:11 PM

From everything I've read the Dynaudio 110/140 is very close to the sierra 1 in performance.

In regards to the Dynaudio Focus 110, Doug Schneider wrote:

"But when I assessed only the performance of these two speakers, I definitely preferred the Sierra-1. It sounded tighter and cleaner than the Focus 110, particularly in the bass and midrange, and revealed much more detail -- both attributes I favor in a bookshelf design."

http://www.soundstageav.com/onhifi/20070901.htm

I should be taking delivery of a pair of Salk Song Surround I's at the end of this week and will compare them against my Sierras.

cschang

10-13-09, 09:47 PM

In regards to the Dynaudio Focus 110, Doug Schneider wrote:

"But when I assessed only the performance of these two speakers, I definitely preferred the Sierra-1. It sounded tighter and cleaner than the Focus 110, particularly in the bass and midrange, and revealed much more detail -- both attributes I favor in a bookshelf design."

http://www.soundstageav.com/onhifi/20070901.htm

I should be taking delivery of a pair of Salk Song Surround I's at the end of this week and will compare them against my Sierras.
That's exactly how I felt vs. the Focus 140.

Salks at the end of the week? I'll be over on Monday! :)

xcjago

10-13-09, 10:25 PM

haha sure!

parodielin

10-13-09, 10:34 PM

cschang

10-13-09, 10:47 PM

Not sure if this is a proper place to ask, but has anyone compared Sierra to Usher X-718 and Be-718? Both are more expensive than Sierra, especially the Be-718. So it probably more fair to compare X-718.

By the time I have access to X-718, the Sierra free shipping will be over. So... comments are welcome!
I have had the Be-718 next to my Sierras....and actually think it comes down to preference. I think the Be-718 is excellent, and I would gladly own a pair.

One thing is the Be-718 has a fuller sound, although did not play as deep as the Sierras.

Here is a thread I started about it a couple of years ago:
http://forum.ascendacoustics.com/showthread.php?t=2933

Russdawg

10-13-09, 11:48 PM

Not sure if this is a proper place to ask, but has anyone compared Sierra to Usher X-718 and Be-718? Both are more expensive than Sierra, especially the Be-718. So it probably more fair to compare X-718.

By the time I have access to X-718, the Sierra free shipping will be over. So... comments are welcome!

I own the Be 718's now and I had the Sierra's. I sold the Sierras after hearing the Ushers, but having said that the Ushers new cost 2.5 times that of the Sierra's and for the difference in price the Sierra's gave them a real good run for the money. The Sierra's are excellent speakers and as far as I'm concerned the one to get under a grand. They perform way above their pricepoint.

I also owned Paradigm Sig 2's and Revel M22's and the Sierra keep up with these quite well also.

I hope this helps.

DreamCatcher

10-14-09, 02:00 AM

I also had the chance to compare the BE-718's against the Sierra's and actually prefer the Sierra's.
The BE-718 don't go very deep and in my opinion require a subwoofer for music listening.
Whereas the Sierra's, while benefiting from a nice fast sub, like the Seaton SubMersive:), don't require it for excellent 2 channel listening.
And I thought the Sierra's held their own agaisnt the Usher's in all the other speaker attributes, (sweet midrange, great imaging, huge soundstage, etc.)
that I enjoy in a speaker.

DreamCatcher

alphaiii

10-15-09, 09:11 AM

I'd love to hear the Be-718 (or even the X-718 for that matter)...and the ACI Sapphire XL as well...

And I agree...the Sierra's do not require a sub for 2-ch music... I was very impressed with their abilities on their own.

Azanon

10-15-09, 01:26 PM

And I agree...the Sierra's do not require a sub for 2-ch music... I was very impressed with their abilities on their own.

This is the reason why I can't wait till I can budget a pair of these for myself. If I let them run full range, then I won't have to fight with the gain on my sub back-and-forth.

If there's one thing I don't like about my 340SE's, is that I can never seem to get my subwoofer level set just right when listening to 2 channel music. On some cd's, the bass seems too heavy, others... too light. Without the sub, to me, it's like the 340SE doesn't have much bass impact at all so I'm not even open to that option.

I'd probably just run Sierra's full range too (assuming I end up agreeing with most everyone else that it has plenty of bass), and on movies just let the sub do the other work, including LFE. I'm not aware of any way of automating full range to crossing over on the receiver (movies vs. music), and my wife gets irritated enough that I always have to go into "setup" or "languages" on my blu-ray movies because they often don't set the lossless tracks as the default.

cschang

10-15-09, 01:40 PM

This is the reason why I can't wait till I can budget a pair of these for myself. If I let them run full range, then I won't have to fight with the gain on my sub back-and-forth.

If there's one thing I don't like about my 340SE's, is that I can never seem to get my subwoofer level set just right when listening to 2 channel music. On some cd's, the bass seems too heavy, others... too light. Without the sub, to me, it's like the 340SE doesn't have much bass impact at all so I'm not even open to that option.

I'd probably just run Sierra's full range too (assuming I end up agreeing with most everyone else that it has plenty of bass), and on movies just let the sub do the other work, including LFE. I'm not aware of any way of automating full range to crossing over on the receiver (movies vs. music), and my wife gets irritated enough that I always have to go into "setup" or "languages" on my blu-ray movies because they often don't set the lossless tracks as the default.
Have you ever run test tones and taken measurements in your room? Some CDs too heavy and some too light, seems to me you will have the same problem regardless of the speakers or sub.

There are some receivers that will allow you to set the subwoofer/speaker/crossover settings according to what source is playing. My old HK could do that...a great feature.

Azanon

10-15-09, 03:14 PM

There are some receivers that will allow you to set the subwoofer/speaker/crossover settings according to what source is playing. My old HK could do that...a great feature.

Yeah that was a cool feature of the H/K; I used to have one too. Not only that, but the h/K let you set individual crossovers for each speaker.

My rather expensive Marantz only lets you set one crossover for all speakers.

...

I was sort of assuming I might not have the problem as much because I was presuming that perhaps it was the REALLY low frequencies that were standing out too much on some CDs; meaning frequencies that the Sierra-1 can't play anyway.

BTW, Curtis, this wasn't so much an issue with my old SVS SB12-Plus. I still overall prefer the VTF 3 Mk.3, given how much I watch movies, but it's sometimes a brute when it comes to music. The movies/music thing really has become an apples to oranges consideration now that I've experienced crazy bass. On movies, the VTF 3.3 is just plain fun!

cschang

10-15-09, 03:52 PM

Yeah that was a cool feature of the H/K; I used to have one too. Not only that, but the h/K let you set individual crossovers for each speaker.

My rather expensive Marantz only lets you set one crossover for all speakers.

Yeah...that too! I have the ability to set different crossovers for mains, center, and surrounds with my current pre/pro. I do miss the HK's flexibility.

I was sort of assuming I might not have the problem as much because I was presuming that perhaps it was the REALLY low frequencies that were standing out too much on some CDs; meaning frequencies that the Sierra-1 can't play anyway.

BTW, Curtis, this wasn't so much an issue with my old SVS SB12-Plus. I still overall prefer the VTF 3 Mk.3, given how much I watch movies, but it's sometimes a brute when it comes to music. The movies/music thing really has become an apples to oranges consideration now that I've experienced crazy bass. On movies, the VTF 3.3 is just plain fun!
Then I am betting that you are getting a lot of room gain with the lower frequencies. If you have the time and a meter, you should check it out.

DreamCatcher

10-15-09, 05:29 PM

Denon has a very cool feature that let's you setup Direct/Stereo (2ch) modes any which way you want. Including not only sub or no sub, full range or crossed over, but also crossover freq, levels, distance.
And these settings are separte from other listening modes.
I do a lot of 2 channel listening so this is a must have feature for me.

DreamCatcher

Azanon

10-15-09, 06:10 PM

Then I am betting that you are getting a lot of room gain with the lower frequencies. If you have the time and a meter, you should check it out.

I could try it, but I just wouldn't want to end up EQ'ing out the very same bass I'm enjoying on the movies. I don't like to have to change EQ settings (I leave my set to Audyssey). Sierra-1's set to large also might just solve the one thing I'm not liking while hardly affecting the sub I enjoy in movies.

Azanon

10-15-09, 07:49 PM

I own the Be 718's now and I had the Sierra's. I sold the Sierras after hearing the Ushers, but having said that the Ushers new cost 2.5 times that of the Sierra's and for the difference in price the Sierra's gave them a real good run for the money. The Sierra's are excellent speakers and as far as I'm concerned the one to get under a grand. They perform way above their pricepoint.

Being a married guy, I need the Sierra's to be worth twice what they actually cost. Like a lot of married guys, I pool my money, so for the sake of being equitable/maintaining parity, if I talk the wife into not objecting to me buying a ~$900 pair of speakers, then that means she gets to spend that much too. So from a certain point of view, the speakers really cost me $1800.

Gotta love marriage!

Gov

10-15-09, 08:50 PM

Being a married guy, I need the Sierra's to be worth twice what they actually cost. Like a lot of married guys, I pool my money, so for the sake of being equitable/maintaining parity, if I talk the wife into not objecting to me buying a ~$900 pair of speakers, then that means she gets to spend that much too. So from a certain point of view, the speakers really cost me $1800.

Gotta love marriage!

Just put your foot down and remind her who the king of the castle is!! :D

TKYR1967

10-17-09, 04:33 PM

pbc

10-17-09, 05:14 PM

parodielin

10-17-09, 05:36 PM

I am surprised to see Be-718 doesn't go deeper than Sierra. From the spec, it's as deep as Sierra if not deeper.

This could be the amp. Be-718 requires a high end amp to fully leverage it's potential. It's not an easy to drive speaker based on people's reviews. Consider the price point and my current amp, Sierra could be a better choice. However, this is a big however, I can get a pair of Be-718 for less than 1k for my upcoming trip to Asia. The pain point is that I have to wait for a few months.

I also had the chance to compare the BE-718's against the Sierra's and actually prefer the Sierra's.
The BE-718 don't go very deep and in my opinion require a subwoofer for music listening.
Whereas the Sierra's, while benefiting from a nice fast sub, like the Seaton SubMersive:), don't require it for excellent 2 channel listening.
And I thought the Sierra's held their own agaisnt the Usher's in all the other speaker attributes, (sweet midrange, great imaging, huge soundstage, etc.)
that I enjoy in a speaker.

DreamCatcher

cschang

10-17-09, 05:43 PM

I am surprised to see Be-718 doesn't go deeper than Sierra. From the spec, it's as deep as Sierra if not deeper.

This could be the amp. Be-718 requires a high end amp to fully leverage it's potential. It's not an easy to drive speaker based on people's reviews. Consider the price point and my current amp, Sierra could be a better choice. However, this is a big however, I can get a pair of Be-718 for less than 1k for my upcoming trip to Asia. The pain point is that I have to wait for a few months.
My understanding is that the version of the Be-718 sold in Asia is different than the version sold in the US. You may want to contact Usher to clarify. You could buy those Ushers in Asia, sell them in the states, and make enough profit to get the Sierras.

The amp I use is a 500wpc ICEpower based amp.

cschang

10-17-09, 05:51 PM

Question? Well, I guess this is two questions.
Is it me or is the mid-bass woofer in the Sierra-1 shrouded in secrecy? I mean you can't find too much information about it. Was this driver designed and built from the ground up by Dave F? Is it a readily available driver that has been tweaked?

I have read many speaker companies' description, notably Totem, who say things like a modified version of the Hi-Vi or Scanspeak driver or a Seas tweeter built to our specifications. What exactly are they modifying?
The woofers that Ascend uses in all of their speakers are proprietary. My understanding is that parts of the Sierra's woofer are built by different vendors.

As to what speaker companies modify, probably tweak the motors to get the desired response they are looking for.

chas_w

10-17-09, 11:51 PM

Question? Well, I guess this is two questions.
Is it me or is the mid-bass woofer in the Sierra-1 shrouded in secrecy? I mean you can't find too much information about it. Was this driver designed and built from the ground up by Dave F? Is it a readily available driver that has been tweaked?

I have read many speaker companies' description, notably Totem, who say things like a modified version of the Hi-Vi or Scanspeak driver or a Seas tweeter built to our specifications. What exactly are they modifying?

http://forum.ascendacoustics.com/showthread.php?t=2600

pbc

10-18-09, 08:03 AM

Is there a "Version 2" of this speaker coming out shortly? Thought I read that in someone's post here?

pbc

10-18-09, 08:15 AM

Nevermind, kept reading and answered my own Q. Next one, in general, after ordering how long does it take before the speakers are shipped?

cschang

10-18-09, 12:44 PM

Nevermind, kept reading and answered my own Q. Next one, in general, after ordering how long does it take before the speakers are shipped?
Usually within a couple of days. The speakers are built and tested when ordered.

bk_856er

10-18-09, 02:54 PM

Usually within a couple of days. The speakers are built and tested when ordered.

I ordered mine late Sunday night a few weeks ago. They shipped on Monday and were delivered on Wednesday. Packaging included a dated response chart for each speaker. Not sure if they can always be that efficient, but I was happy.

ccotenj

10-19-09, 11:04 AM

How "red" is the dark cherry? My salamander stand is a "walnut" color, so I'm wondering if the Sierra's in Espresso will match better (will probably buy in the next couple weeks).

Mind you, my SVS is rosewood, and therefore reddish, and if I up that up front .... Hmmm.

pbc, here's a few pics of the dark cherrys next to a walnut synergy stand...

clicky (http://gallery.me.com/ccotenj1#100214)

let me know if you want more... :)

alphaiii

10-21-09, 11:23 PM

At this point I think it's safe to say those bamboo stands still need a new home... Just in case any new Sierra owner's out there are in need.

ccotenj

10-22-09, 07:33 PM

lol... yup, they are still here....

my wife likes the contrasting colors.... i, otoh, aren't as fond of them... i'd like to find a nice set of stands that at least comes close to matching...

cschang

10-22-09, 08:04 PM

ccotenj

10-22-09, 08:07 PM

don't feel alone... it's all i can do to screw two pieces of wood together... and even then there's no guarantee that they'll actually STAY together... :o

i thought about that, and ran it past jason... the problem is that the plyboo doesn't want to take stain...

i know he was going to try and see if he could come up with something, but he also was pretty busy with other things, so i don't think that's happened yet...

alphaiii

10-22-09, 09:17 PM

lol... yup, they are still here....

my wife likes the contrasting colors.... i, otoh, aren't as fond of them... i'd like to find a nice set of stands that at least comes close to matching...

Haha, actually I was referring to the L/R stands I'm still trying to sell.... Someone linked them earlier in this thread, and a member expressed interested in the thread...but seems he decided against them. So they still need a home.

I forgot you had some stands to get rid of too...

img eL

11-03-09, 01:03 AM

What ceiling/wall mounts to use with the S1's besides the B-Tech BT77? Would u guys trust the peerless 20 lbs. max mounts?

ccotenj

11-03-09, 08:04 AM

i wouldn't...

and even if i did, there's no way to actually mount the s1 on them (if they are the ones that i think you mean)...

fwiw, i researched this to death, and the only thing that i could find that was acceptable was the bt-77 mount...

of course, that doesn't mean that others didn't do better research than i and come up with something else... :o

img eL

11-03-09, 04:13 PM

There the SPK811, with option 2 in the installation sheet it looks like it could be possible http://www.peerlessmounts.com/pcattachments/INSTR%20SHEET-087-9012-1-4.1.PDF

ccotenj

11-03-09, 04:15 PM

unfortunately not... you cannot use the threaded insert on the sierra to mount it...

Ascend

11-03-09, 11:15 PM

What ceiling/wall mounts to use with the S1's besides the B-Tech BT77? Would u guys trust the peerless 20 lbs. max mounts?

i wouldn't...

and even if i did, there's no way to actually mount the s1 on them (if they are the ones that i think you mean)...

fwiw, i researched this to death, and the only thing that i could find that was acceptable was the bt-77 mount...

of course, that doesn't mean that others didn't do better research than i and come up with something else... :o

Another very good option are Vogel VLB200's. These brackets clamp the speaker front to rear and we have received very positive comments from Sierra-1 owners who are using this bracket. They also work great for wall mounting a center speaker.

Hope this helps!

img eL

11-04-09, 07:15 AM

Those Vogel's could work for me, I don't see them anywhere for sale though. I'm gonna blind buy a pair of VMP SP 010

Ascend

11-04-09, 08:07 PM

Those Vogel's could work for me, I don't see them anywhere for sale though. I'm gonna blind buy a pair of VMP SP 010

I have seen a few pair show up on Amazon every now and then. Also, do not be afraid to screw directly into the back of the speaker. These cabinets hold wood screws like screwing into lead :p However, if you plan on doing so, please drill a small pilot hole for the screw first. Even our power tools here at the shop don't have enough torque to drive a wood screw directly into the bamboo cabinet. I have personally broken off screw heads trying to do so. Pilot holes are a must :)

hrdluck13

11-15-09, 03:21 PM

Looking to pull the trigger on some bookshelf's.. This thread has been very useful! Thanks..

wish

12-21-09, 04:54 PM

Just pulled the trigger today on three Sierra-1 b-stock speakers to go across the front. Can't wait till they get here! :)

malaplace

12-21-09, 08:08 PM

Just pulled the trigger today on three Sierra-1 b-stock speakers to go across the front. Can't wait till they get here! :)

I just moved to a new home and have the Sierra's in a new/better room. They put a smile on face to this day. Some of the best money I've ever spent.

Plasma Donor

12-21-09, 10:00 PM

To those who have heard both, how do the Sierra-1's compare to the Paradigm S2's?

cschang

12-21-09, 10:31 PM

To those who have heard both, how do the Sierra-1's compare to the Paradigm S2's?
Here is what a reviewer, that owns/owned S2v1's said:
http://forum.ascendacoustics.com/showthread.php?t=3136

Not the latest version of the S2, but does give you a good feel as to where the Sierra stands with him.

His comment on loudness was interesting. I can certainly play my Sierras louder than they ever need to be without any problems.

arkiedan

12-22-09, 07:09 AM

Louder? Yeah, I wish my amp went to eleven. :D

I've had three Sierras across the front for about three months and they continue to knock me out. The most refined sound I've ever heard from speakers I've owned or auditioned. I listen to most music in stereo and they handle "realistic" bass frequencies easily without the subwoofer. Loud? My room is fairly large, 15X22 with 12" ceilings, and they play surround soundtracks loud and effortlessly. That said, I do use an Epik sub for bass extension. Only needed for those deep organ pedals and TV music shows that accentuate the bass.

Like I said; a fantastic monitor speaker. I returned Maggies and Aperion T6s after living with the Sierras a couple weeks. Of course, my old AR9s were great but these just blew them away.

arkiedan

audiodaze74

01-02-10, 10:44 PM

ok what about the Sierra 1 vs. Paradigm Studio 10s (i own a pair of these gems)....I just did a head to head against B&W 685 and IMO the Paradigms were much more well rounded than the 685s. The B&Ws came off as a bit muffled with the vocals and lacked midrange. Although they did have some pretty decent bass and that tweeter is sweet.

but now that B&W is outta the way I am curious about the Sierra-1s. I have heard alot of buzz about them but they kinda slipped under the radar when i was speaker shoppin. So before I drop this kinda dinero and demo the Sierras does anyone have any experience or comments to add before I make the leap? will i be blown away?

I know they offer a 30 day trial, money back deal...very nice

oh yeah I have a Cambridge Audio 840A V2 Integrated Amp and Cambridge 550C CD player thanks:D<<<<<<<hopefully enough to make the Sierra-1s low 86db sensitivity shine!!!!

cschang

01-03-10, 12:23 PM

audiodaze74

01-03-10, 12:58 PM

The Studio 10 also has a great reputation. I have not heard a pair myself.

Where do you live? Maybe there is a local Sierra owner that is willing to have you over for a listen, but there is nothing like a head to head listening session at home.

According to measurements, the sensitivity between Sierra and Studio 10 is witbin 1dB, so you shouldn't have any problems in that area.

i live in good old Connecticut...not too many audio enthusiasts out this way, sadly! i guess i could buy the sierra-1s and return them before the 30 days if i dont like them. Hate to do it that way but they arent sold in stores from what i know.

GPeaslee

01-03-10, 10:45 PM

I recently purchased Sierra 1's based on the reviews and comments here on the AVS forum. After listening to them in my home, I decided to audition some Paradigm speakers at a local store just to confirm what I was hearing from the Sierra's. I think the Sierra 1's are not only superior to the Paradigm Studio series but they actually approach the performance of the Paradigm Signature series which run 3-4 times the cost. Maybe the Paradigm Studios were not set up properly, but it was immediately obvious they did not come close to the Sierra's. I then listened to the Signature series which were impressive but not worth IMHO 3-4 times the price of the Sierra's. For extra peace of mind, give David a call at Ascend Acoustics who will graciously answer any questions you have.

audiodaze74

01-04-10, 12:18 AM

heartlink

01-05-10, 10:32 PM

Howdy All,

I cannot find any reference to anyone using Sierra-1s for surround duty.:confused:

Would anyone care to chime in? Anyone with Pictures?

Thank You Very Much!

Ken

DreamCatcher

01-05-10, 11:40 PM

cschang

01-06-10, 12:03 AM

Wow...you crank them loud!

Even when they are crossed at 80hz you get port noise? If you cross that high, I would try Q-Plug "A" and see if that does the trick to your liking. I would also give Ascend a call.

pj325is

01-06-10, 12:16 AM

While I love my Sierra's........
I'm a little dissappointed with the port noise I get when I push the Sierra's into the 90db+ spl's with heavy bass material such as Massive Attack, Dream Theater, etc..... even with the Sierra's crossover at 80hz.
Does anybody have suggestions on how I can fix this, port plugs maybe?

DreamCatcher

That's odd. I've run my Sierras VERY loud with a 60hz crossover and never heard port noise. I've run them almost as loud full range and still not heard port noise, even when you can see the drivers working their asses off.

cschang

01-06-10, 01:31 AM

That's odd. I've run my Sierras VERY loud with a 60hz crossover and never heard port noise. I've run them almost as loud full range and still not heard port noise, even when you can see the drivers working their asses off.
Massive Attack and Dream Theater both have some very heavy bass in their music.

I'm like you, I have never had a problem with the music I listen to.

pj325is

01-06-10, 02:33 AM

Massive Attack and Dream Theater both have some very heavy bass in their music.

I'm like you, I have never had a problem with the music I listen to.

When I first got my sub, I listened to some pretty serious bass stuff like timbaland and yello at insane levels, as well as all the typical bass movies, and never heard any complaints from the sierras when crossed over at 60hz.

I'll run them full range tomorrow and play some yello super loud just to see what happens. I'm sure port noise must begin to happen at some point, I just haven't found that point for my setup.

Would proximity to a wall affect port noise? Maybe DreamCatcher has them too close to a wall or something

DreamCatcher

01-06-10, 06:25 PM

To be clear, I only hear the port noise when I walk around behind the speaker.
I don't normally hear it from my listening position unless it's something like the beginning of Angel from Massive Attack with produces just bass.....
very heavy and very deep bass.
What worries me most about the port noise is how it's reacting during action scenes of a movie heavy with action scenes, explosions and such......
and if I'm hurting the speaker at all.......

DreamCatcher

cschang

01-06-10, 06:53 PM

Kucimat

01-06-10, 07:09 PM

I don't want to hijack this topic of port noise because it's an interesting one but I'm really dying to get some feedback on a comparison. I just recently ordered five Sierra-1s, which I'll pair up with my SVS PB10-NSD sub for my 5-1 system...driven via my Onkyo 906. The Sieras will replace four Energy RC-10s and an Energy RC-LCR Center. How do you think the Sierra-1s will compare with the Energy speakers? Do you think I'll realize a significant improvement in sound quality form my system? Any input would be appreciated.

pj325is

01-06-10, 07:34 PM

I played around with a bunch of stuff, including massive attack, and only heard port noise with my head close to the port, with the sub off and the sierras full range or crossed over at 40hz.

Maybe your pre-amp or whatever isn't properly rolling off the lows for the Sierras. When you have it crossed over at 80, is there still a lot of driver movement on heavy bass stuff?

cschang

01-06-10, 07:39 PM

DreamCatcher

01-06-10, 09:05 PM

Well, the port does create noise as it gets closer to the tuning point.

What is it that you are hearing? Can you describe it?

Well the noise starts off as a sort of puffing sound and gets worst, a quaking type sound, from there as the sound level goes up.
But like I said, this is usually not audible from my listening position, only if I walk behind one of the speakers. Then the port noise is audible from 1 or 3 feet away from the back of the speaker.
I'm thinking this is the price to pay when driving a relatively small speaker, with only two drivers, beyond what should be expected.
It makes me wish Ascend would add a driver, or two, and make a killer floor standing Sierra:)

DreamCatcher

cschang

01-06-10, 09:29 PM

It makes me wish Ascend would add a driver, or two, and make a killer floor standing Sierra:)
I am sure that has rolled through DaveF's head more than a few times. :)

Tarpon

01-06-10, 09:50 PM

Maybe your pre-amp or whatever isn't properly rolling off the lows for the Sierras. When you have it crossed over at 80, is there still a lot of driver movement on heavy bass stuff?

What is the amplification being used?

DreamCatcher

01-06-10, 11:33 PM

What is the amplification being used?

I've used several different receivers,
Onkyo 5007
Denon 5308
to name a few.......
I don't think it's a bass management issue,
I think it's a physics issue.
One shouldn't expect a single midrange driver to blow your head off.

DreamCatcher

cschang

01-07-10, 02:10 AM

It does seem strange to have port noise when crossed at 80hz. I believe that is almost a full octave above the port tuning.

koven

01-08-10, 12:23 AM

hello, does anyone here have ascend's tp-24 pedestal stand? if so, how is it? is it easy to fill with sand?

thanks

malaplace

01-08-10, 02:25 AM

hello, does anyone here have ascend's tp-24 pedestal stand? if so, how is it? is it easy to fill with sand?

thanks

I have them for my L/R and I love them. I have not filled them with sand, though I probably should as it would clear up some of the resonance that I detect, but it would be easy to do so as there is an easy access hole in the top of the stand. I can provide pictures tomm if you like.

supermoore1025

01-10-10, 02:58 AM

I have a question, what are some good stands to use with these?

pj325is

01-10-10, 03:59 AM

I have a question, what are some good stands to use with these?

I like mine, not too fancy, not cheap looking.

http://i29.tinypic.com/260s6f4.jpg
http://i45.tinypic.com/jpk3ti.jpg
http://www.amazon.com/SANUS-SYSTEMS-SF-26B-Steel-Speaker/dp/B00069DRYG/ref=pd_cp_e_3

supermoore1025

01-10-10, 10:58 AM

[QUOTE=pj325is;17891739]I like mine, not too fancy, not cheap looking.

http://i29.tinypic.com/260s6f4.jpg
http://i45.tinypic.com/jpk3ti.jpg
http://www.amazon.com/SANUS-SYSTEMS-SF-26B-Steel-Speaker/dp/B00069DRYG/ref=pd_cp_e_3[/QUOTE

Hey which stand is ur center speaker on

pj325is

01-10-10, 12:20 PM

The center is just resting on my tv stand which is a z-line from walmart. It's basically like this stand (http://www.racksandstands.com/Z-Line-Designs-ZL564-44MU-ZLD1006.html), but it has clear glass and costs under $200. I couldn't find it on their website but I think they still have it in some stores.

audiodaze74

01-10-10, 12:35 PM

supermoore1025

01-10-10, 01:25 PM

I would also like to know some good center channel stands, if anyone can help?

koven

01-11-10, 01:21 AM

hey guys, i just got rid of my b&w nautilus 805's and i'm looking for something new. i loved how open the 805's sounded but after a while, the harshness of the metal tweeter started getting to me.. which is why i sold them.. i'm looking for a smoother sound while retaining a huge soundstage and open/airiness... would the sierra's be good for me? has anyone ever heard the b&w n805's? i plan on picking up the tp-24 stand too

wish

01-11-10, 11:45 AM

cschang

01-11-10, 12:39 PM

I recently purchased a LCR Sierra combo and have been reading thru this thread. Something way back on page 13 caught my attention.

"I listen to all my music with just 2 channel set to large and HT crossed at 60hz"

How can one do that without going into the receiver's speaker setup each time you change from HT to music listening? I have a Yamaha 863 and while I can set specific effects (i.e. Straight, 7-channel, 2-channel, etc) I can't assign speaker setups to specific sources. Are there some receivers that do allow for this? If so maybe my Yamaha can as well and I'm just not aware.
Some receivers and pre/pros allow you to set up speaker configurations differently for separate sources/inputs. My old HK AVR had that ability...it was great.

Hksvr4

01-11-10, 04:37 PM

I recently purchased a LCR Sierra combo and have been reading thru this thread. Something way back on page 13 caught my attention.

"I listen to all my music with just 2 channel set to large and HT crossed at 60hz"

How can one do that without going into the receiver's speaker setup each time you change from HT to music listening? I have a Yamaha 863 and while I can set specific effects (i.e. Straight, 7-channel, 2-channel, etc) I can't assign speaker setups to specific sources. Are there some receivers that do allow for this? If so maybe my Yamaha can as well and I'm just not aware.

I have a Yamaha 663 and I have the same problem. Sometime I shut my sub off and run everthing on "large" and se the x-over again. I'm not sure if the receiver can tell if it's music or tv. The PS3 does change to 2 channel with music and changes back to multi channel for movies.

QZ1

01-17-10, 01:53 PM

Should the Audyssey calibration for my AVR be run with Q-plugs in place or should they be added afterwards?

I think I know the answer, but I'm not sure.

cschang

01-17-10, 01:56 PM

Should the Audyssey calibration for my AVR be run with Q-plugs in place or should they be added afterwards?

I think I know the answer, but I'm not sure.
Whenever you use Audyssey, you should have the speakers calibrated as they would be used.

So, put the plugs in then calibrate, and have a listen. I would also try the same thing without the plugs.

astrallite

01-19-10, 08:00 PM

I have a Yamaha 663 and I have the same problem. Sometime I shut my sub off and run everthing on "large" and se the x-over again. I'm not sure if the receiver can tell if it's music or tv. The PS3 does change to 2 channel with music and changes back to multi channel for movies.

Doesn't switching from "straight" to "pure" mode turn off the crossover and run the mains as LARGE?

El Espectro

01-20-10, 04:37 PM

I'll be getting a new turntable soon. Quick question. I want to use my Sierra-1's (which until now have only seen digital sources), but due to a limitation in my receiver, I can't use a sub using the pure/direct mode. I don't want any digital processing messing with my vinyl, so I need another way to deal with crossover frequencies. Right now, my best option is to use the crossover on the sub itself (Hsu STF-2). The problem is, it will only effect the sub's output, the Sierra's will still be fed the full range. Has anyone else used a sub to augment the Sierra's with no bass management? I'm having a hard time deciding where I should set the crossover on the sub given the fact that all I have to work with is the speaker's natural roll of and the sub's low pass filter. 60Hz maybe?

cschang

01-20-10, 04:41 PM

El Espectro

01-20-10, 04:59 PM

You can use the STF-2's high level inputs and outputs, then the crossover will also affect the speakers.

That's what I thought, but not according to them:

The crossover on the STF-2 is low-pass analog filter that will roll off higher
frequencies going to the subwoofer at a rate of 24dB/oct. The main speakers
will be powered by the receiver, but there won't be anything to filter out
lower frequencies sent to the main speakers. Essentially the subwoofer would
be used as a bass augmentation device when hooked up this way.

I asked them about this and the above was the response.

cschang

01-20-10, 05:05 PM

Ahhhh.

You can look for an external crossover such as the Paradigm X-30.

pj325is

01-20-10, 05:14 PM

I'd try it without an external crossover first and see if you can get it sounding good by just playing with the sub crossover. If you feel there's a big overlap in certain frequencies, then you could look into an external crossover. 60hz sounds a bit high, but you can try all the settings you want to see if any sound ideal.

Ascend

01-21-10, 03:42 AM

El Espectro

01-26-10, 03:37 PM

Does anyone know if the Ascend 170 "classics" or 170SE's match better with the Sierra's for surrounds?

El Espectro

01-26-10, 03:37 PM

One simple option is to use our Q-plugs. Q-plug "A" will create a smooth 12dB/Octave roll-off at 60Hz. You then set the LP filter on the sub to 60Hz and you should have a smooth blend between the two...

good idea. thanks

cschang

01-26-10, 03:45 PM

Does anyone know if the Ascend 170 "classics" or 170SE's match better with the Sierra's for surrounds?
I have both...either way you'll be fine.

El Espectro

01-26-10, 04:40 PM

I have both...either way you'll be fine.

sweet.

maxtimein

01-26-10, 11:10 PM

cschange, craigsub, others in the know, I'm buying 2 black sierras to start and I've bought 2 black energy esw-v10 subs on sale which I can still return..is the rythmik black f12se that much better a sub that I should return the 2 energys which are 200 less than the 1 rythmik...if so please tell me why so I can make the right decision and return the energys while i still can

maxtimein

01-26-10, 11:27 PM

re the energy subs.. will they match the sierras musically timbre matching technically etc..ie they use kevlar woofers compared to rythmik using aluminum...will the energys blend close to as seemlessly with the sierras...obviously DF chose the rythmiks but how close are the energys

cschang

01-26-10, 11:46 PM

I have never heard an Energy sub, but I can tell you that the sound quality of my Rythmik sub is a great match for the Sierra. The integration is seamless.

rebbi

01-27-10, 10:42 PM

Hi,
I'm new to this forum. I have a new pair of Sierra 1's (Espresso finish, with stands) on the way. I'll report back with impressions once they're in place and broken in a bit. I'll be using them exclusively for two channel audio in a 13 x 16 room with an 8 foot ceiling. They might even replace my current speakers, which are floorstanders (more on that later if anyone's interested). But I've been eager to hear what a great pair of monitors would sound like in my room, and the reviews of the Sierras are so impressive that I felt I wanted to give them a shot. More to come...

El Espectro

01-29-10, 07:37 PM

jonnyozero3

01-29-10, 08:48 PM

Lol, I hear ya, though I still love my piano black.

Bill Mac

01-29-10, 09:08 PM

Random useless thought:

Am I the only one of the earlier adopters of the Sierra's that is extremely jealous of people that are buying them now with FANTASTIC finishes. The Espresso is particularly beautiful. [drewl]

Not to rub it in but the Dark Cherry finish looks like Dynaudio's Piano Rosewood finish:). I was always partial to the Rosewood veneer having speakers from av123 and Dynaudio. I originally had the Piano Black finish but went with the Dark Cherry and I am glad I did. But no matter what finish you have the Sierra's will still sound excellent;).

Bill

cschang

01-29-10, 09:13 PM

Lol, I hear ya, though I still love my piano black.
All natural baby!

koven

01-29-10, 09:25 PM

rebbi

01-29-10, 09:26 PM

Random useless thought:

Am I the only one of the earlier adopters of the Sierra's that is extremely jealous of people that are buying them now with FANTASTIC finishes. The Espresso is particularly beautiful. [drewl]

I am happy about the finish. Dina, the customer service
person, said that the piano black is beautiful, but rather high maintenance -- shows dust and is easily scratched. Besides, I wanted a dark finish but one that would show some wood grain. Hope they sound as good as they look!

M3 Pete

01-29-10, 10:12 PM

Just want to add something here since I've heard Sierra-1's for the first time at my buddy's place.

His just came in this week and I went over last night to compare them to his Proac Response 1SC's. He bought the Proac's used off Audiogon for about the same price as the Sierra-1's.

There was no comparison in both our eyes, when it comes to music, the Sierra-1's got destroyed in every category except maybe bass. Movies were a bit closer though, the Sierra-1's did sound great for that.

Anyway, he's going to be returning them.The Proac 1SC lists well over $2000 new ($2100 back in 1998 when Sterophile reviewed them, and $2500 from the one shop I found with a price, on sale for $2250). I can't tell whether that's for each, or a pair ...

Sierra is $950 for a pair in one of the new finishes.

Bottom line, a speaker that costs at least twice as much SHOULD sound better.

But I appreciate the review. It's always good to have more data.

Grady White

02-09-10, 11:23 PM

UPS just delivered my 3 Sierra 1 fronts in expresso. Fabulous look and fits the entertainment center just great (wife approves!!!...she also said they sound great). That is reason enough for the purchase but the sound is fantastic...whoooohoooo! The wait for speaker upgrade is over!! It only took 20 years. Back to listening.

aggieactuary

02-10-10, 11:35 AM

I placed my order last week and my speakers should arrive today if the UPS truck can make it through the snow!

I ordered the Sierra-1 front pair and the Rythmik F12 sub.

I'll have to wait on getting the center Sierra, but since I'm more concerned with music I think this is going to be an amazing setup.

hp0924

02-10-10, 11:51 AM

Mine will be here tomorrow. (no problems with snow here).

I was in Cali last week and dropped by the shop for a listen but the listening room was not yet set up.

I did meet Dina and Sal and looked at the finishes in person.

avsnoob10

02-17-10, 11:12 PM

I am looking for new speakers for 70% movies, 30% HD cable, for music I have really old B&W Matrix 803 Series 2 speakers and they are absolutely amazing. Anyway I read tons and tons (and tons) of positive reviews of Sierra-1s. I don't know, at least from the size, if Sierra-1s are enough to fill my 625 sqft room with 10' ceilings. I see on this thread that lot of people use Sierra-1 as LCR but would like to know what most people use for surrounds. I prefer dipole surrounds which Ascend does not make, any recommendations for surrounds that would match Sierra-1s? I have auditioned Paradigm Studio (20s, 60s, CC-490 - all v5) and Monitor (9, 11, CC-390 - all v6) lines and will be auditioning B&W 600 Series this weekend. I am considering sub from Elemental Design, Velodyne, SVS, HSU. Ideally I would prefer full range speakers but since this is mostly HT don't have budget or need for full range plus I read so many good things about Sierra-1s and I will have a decent sub to worry about low frequencies.

avsnoob10

02-18-10, 05:48 PM

anyone?

aggieactuary

02-18-10, 05:58 PM

I am looking for new speakers for 70% movies, 30% HD cable, for music I have really old B&W Matrix 801 Series 3 speakers and they are absolutely amazing.
...
I see on this thread that lot of people use Sierra-1 as LCR but would like to know what most people use for surrounds. I prefer dipole surrounds which Ascend does not make, any recommendations for surrounds that would match Sierra-1s?
...
Ideally I would prefer full range speakers but since this is mostly HT don't have budget or need for full range plus I read so many good things about Sierra-1s and I will have a decent sub to worry about low frequencies.

Well, if you're going the Sierra-1 route, I think you should try the Ascend CBM-170 SE or HTM 200 SE as surrounds even though they're not dipoles. You get 30 days to try them out.

If you're under budget constraints, then have you considered BIC Acoustech?
I believe they have dipole surrounds. Tough to beat at those prices, too.

avsnoob10

02-18-10, 06:45 PM

Well, if you're going the Sierra-1 route, I think you should try the Ascend CBM-170 SE or HTM 200 SE as surrounds even though they're not dipoles. You get 30 days to try them out.

If you're under budget constraints, then have you considered BIC Acoustech?
I believe they have dipole surrounds. Tough to beat at those prices, too.

Thanks for the info. I don't have any fixed budget but I want to build it right the first time and since these speakers will be used mostly for HT, fronts don't have to be full range towers, not that I have any space constraint or anything but I was just browsing through the forums and heard great reviews about Sierras so figured I might stop by on this thread and see what Sierra has to offer. I recently auditioned Paradigm Studio 20 and 60s and really really impressed. through I am not sure if I really need Studio 60s for HT use, music is whole another story. And as I mentioned before I have old B&W Matrix 801 speakers which are still far better than lot of new B&Ws. Up until now I didn't pay much attention to HTs that's why still using old Polk speakers with HTIB class Onkyo receiver. But about 7-8 months ago I bought 60" Pioneer Elite plasma and just over a week ago I purchased new Pioneer Elite SC-25 receiver. Now it's time for speakers. I have about 3500 for speakers+sub if I can get whole 5.1 setup that I like within that, would be great otherwise would add components over time.

aggieactuary

02-18-10, 07:59 PM

My suggestion is to go with Sierra-1. I'd also suggest checking out the Rythmik subwoofers. Ascend is the distributor for Rythmiks, and they are highly recommended.

wish

02-22-10, 09:34 AM

merrymaid520

02-22-10, 01:26 PM

I have a Sierra LCR combo & I'm interested in what effect adding an external amp what have on my sound quality (i.e. headroom). Currently I'm running a 5.1 setup and driving the speakers with a Yamaha RX-V863. The receiver's power spec reads "RMS Output Power (20Hz - 20kHz) 105W x 7" & seems to do a very nice job. I typically don't listen at really high levels but never the less I'm often thinking "What if..." regarding what an amp would do for my setup. I am considering something like either the Emotiva XPA-3 (200 watts RMS x 3) or the XPA-5 (200 watts RMS x 5). The question of course is how much bang for my buck I'd really get considering those amps are $600 and $800 respectively.

My guess is that I wouldn't see that significant an upgrade but was curious what others think.

wish,

As another sierra owner with a 5.1 setup of them and a Rythmik sub, I can chime in with my opinion. I feel adding an external amp typically helps most if you listen at higher volumes for extended periods in which the peaks draw the most juice. In this case, your yamaha receiver(I have one also) will struggle with those demanding peaks, also remember your receiver probably does not provide 105w with all channels driven. But if you do not listen at these levels, your yamaha will most likely be sufficient. A good rule of thumb is that it takes 2 times the power to gain 3db in headroom from amps(I think, IIRC). So adding an amp that puts out 150w/ch is in a sense hardly noticeable compared to an amp putting out 100w/ch(all else equal).

Amps to me are very very difficult to tell apart, so if your yamaha has not clipped while playing your sierras ever, you might be better off putting the funds elsewhere, like speaker cables............just kidding;)

Hope this helps,
Brandon

arkiedan

02-22-10, 02:04 PM

I too have a Sierra LCR system, but with an Epik Vanquish Sub. The Sierras sound great - don't they? I drive my 7-channel system with an Onkyo 805 AVR and it's terrific at 135wpc. For those bursts of high energy it handles 60A of instantaneous current and, to me, that's the important spec. If you're happy now that Emotiva amp will certainly give you some status here at AVS (undeniably worth something) but you likely won't hear a difference.

wish,

Amps to me are very very difficult to tell apart, so if your yamaha has not clipped while playing your sierras ever, you might be better off putting the funds elsewhere, like speaker cables............just kidding;)

:D Of course you'd want to buy custom standoffs to keep those cables off the floor, just to maximize their performance. :D

merrymaid520

02-22-10, 02:23 PM

:D Of course you'd want to buy custom standoffs to keep those cables off the floor, just to maximize their performance. :D

My mistake, I forgot to mention that^^^^^^

:p

On a serious note, the sierras are great affordable bookshelfs!

wish

02-22-10, 02:57 PM

wish,

As another sierra owner with a 5.1 setup of them and a Rythmik sub, I can chime in with my opinion. I feel adding an external amp typically helps most if you listen at higher volumes for extended periods in which the peaks draw the most juice. In this case, your yamaha receiver(I have one also) will struggle with those demanding peaks, also remember your receiver probably does not provide 105w with all channels driven. But if you do not listen at these levels, your yamaha will most likely be sufficient. A good rule of thumb is that it takes 3 times the power to gain 1db in headroom from amps(I think, IIRC). So adding an amp that puts out 150w/ch is in a sense hardly noticeable compared to an amp putting out 100w/ch(all else equal).

Amps to me are very very difficult to tell apart, so if your yamaha has not clipped while playing your sierras ever, you might be better off putting the funds elsewhere, like speaker cables............just kidding;)

Hope this helps,
BrandonThanks. That was pretty much my understanding. The only time I really crank it is sometimes to listen to music when my wife and daughter are out of the house. Even at those times there isn't any noticeable clipping IMO. I am aware that the Yamaha likely doesn't provide 105w with all channels driven but it seems to do a nice job of driving the Sierras (I got the 863 as an open box for I think $250 and have been pleased with the performance).

As you suggest I think funds would be better spent elsewhere. Speaker cables are tempting but I think updating my old Velodyne CT-100 sub might be a better investment. ;)

Tarpon

02-22-10, 03:21 PM

A good rule of thumb is that it takes 3 times the power to gain 1db in headroom from amps(I think, IIRC).

That is close but not quite right. It takes doubling the power for every 3dB increase in volume.

The amount of power available on demand for dynamic changes is more important than total watts for me.

merrymaid520

02-22-10, 05:25 PM

That is close but not quite right. It takes doubling the power for every 3dB increase in volume.

The amount of power available on demand for dynamic changes is more important than total watts for me.

You are right, I knew something looked odd after I re-read my post. Sorry guys, I should have looked it up first:) Previous post edited.

either way, 50w here or there is minimal.

King Titus

02-24-10, 10:05 AM

I have a Mcintosh MA2275 (tube) 75 watt motor, running my Sierra's and it sounds great.

My room is 20x20x8.
It gets loud with just 75 watts of tube power, and room gain (tile floors ect.)

spanish68

02-26-10, 09:35 PM

asystole13

03-01-10, 02:25 PM

Any speaker stand suggestions for the sierra's. I'm looking to buy the piano black. I see Ascend Acoustics sells stands but not sure how the different blacks will look together.

TIA

El Espectro

03-01-10, 06:26 PM

I was able to get a good deal at Audiogon for the C, L, R speakers shipped to me for exactly $1,000. They are used but rated 9/10 and are the black piano finish. Do you guys think I got a good deal?

I had other speaker models in mind, such as Jamos C's, Energy RC's, Mirage-OMD's, used Energy Veritas (bookshelves) and even the DIY SR71 kit (all five speakers) at Madisound. The SR71 kit has Seas drivers like the Sierra-1's and should be competitive with the Sierra-1, I would think. For the surrounds, I'll get something small (WAF), most likely the HTM-200SE speakers. Even though they are not piano black like the Sierra-1, they are black and should be close enough (I hope).

I'll be building some birch ply speaker stands for the Sierra-1 speakers. I like working with wood so it won't be an issue. I will then paint then to match the color or my wall unit. I will fill them up with sand to make them more stable. Should I use rubber pads (feet) at the bottom of the stands? How about using rubber pads (feet) between the base of the speaker and the top of the stands, is it a good idea? 25" in height should be good enough for the stands, no? Thanks for your advice.

I'd say it's good deal. It's like getting the center for free! My rule of thumb for stands is tweeters at ear height. For mains in a surround setup some say it is nice to have them placed in the middle of the display's height vertically. If those two heights don't match, you could split the difference. As it turns out, tweeters at ear height is just about perfect for my display. I think most people would go with the tweeters at ear height. The center will be mounted above or below the display anyway and you don't want those heights to be TOO different if possible. My stands are 27 inches high, so depending on the height of your seating 25 inches could be fine. If you're putting your stands on carpet, I'd use adjustable carpet spikes. There is some debate over what to put between the stands and the speakers. I used the supplied rubber feet that came with my stands. Some people use sheets of blu-tack. I'm not expert though. Enjoy those Sierras! I do.

spanish68

03-01-10, 08:06 PM

The stands will be going on tile floors. From all the reviews I've read here and elsewhere, I do believe this speakers are going to be quite a performer. I'll report back with my impressions soon, with pics.

malaplace

03-01-10, 08:38 PM

Any speaker stand suggestions for the sierra's. I'm looking to buy the piano black. I see Ascend Acoustics sells stands but not sure how the different blacks will look together.

TIA

I have the piano blacks with the TP 24 stands. I think they look great. No complaints.

asystole13

03-02-10, 10:30 PM

Malaplace

Do you happen to have a pic of your speakers handy so I can see what they look like?

El Espectro

03-06-10, 10:36 PM

I'm not sure I want to say what I'm hearing because I don't want to prejudice anyone if they do this listening test: is there anyone out there using a marantz sr7001/8001 or similar with their Seirra's? If so, have you compared "pure direct" with the normal stereo mode while listening to a 2 channel source like a CD? I've come up against unexpected results.

farmingdad

03-19-10, 02:17 AM

This thread has been quiet for awhile. Anyone else waiting on backordered sierras?

aggieactuary

03-19-10, 09:32 AM

Luckily, I snuck in under the wire. I got one of the last pair.

Don't worry, it will be worth the wait.

Ascend

03-23-10, 02:49 AM

This thread has been quiet for awhile. Anyone else waiting on backordered sierras?

Regrettably, we have had a few delays in receiving our out-of-stock parts. That being said, we have a confirmed arrival schedule of April 8th or 9th. Once we receive the goods, production and shipping will immediately resume.

Thanks for being so patient with us :)

farmingdad

03-23-10, 11:46 PM

Thanks for the update David!

Ascend

03-25-10, 07:02 PM

Thanks for the update David!

My pleasure - and thank YOU for being so patient. We are almost there :)

spanish68

04-03-10, 04:30 PM

After a lot of reading (specially in this forum) and thought, I bought LCR Sierra-1 speakers for the front and 170SE speakers for surround duty. These speakers replaced the previous ones I had, Mirage Omnisat V2 FS, C and Surrounds which I was able to sell at a good price at Ebay. The Sierra-1 speakers, I've been listening to them for the last three weeks or so for both music and movies. My impressions of them are the following;

The first thing that drew me in was the clarity/detail/precision of the tweeters. The sound is neutral and very smooth. I can listen to them for a long period of time without getting fatigue.

The mids are very clean/accurate/refined, the sound of instruments sound like instruments should sound.

The bass has very good extension for a speaker this size. The bass is well controlled (no boomy at all). For music it held its own without a sub although in my very big room I need/used a sub. I'm using a DIY AE AV15X sub w/PR's which integrates great with the Sierra-1 speakers with a crossover of 80hz.

The presentation the speaker gives is very accurate. It has great imaging and provides good deph in the soundstage This my friends is a very articulate speaker. When you listen to music, it draws you right in. The only thing my previous Mirage speakers beat the Sierra-1 is in imaging, due to their Omnisat design (360). On every other phase, the Sierra-1 is a much better speaker.

For the surrounds, I'm using the 170SE speakers which do a great job. These are big shelf speakers for sure that sound great and match very well with the Sierra-1 speakers.

As for the build/finish of these speakers, what can I say, they are solid, have excellent finish and weight a lot (considering their size), specially the Sierra-1.

For the evaluation, I had the speakers 8ft apart from each other, 10ft away from where I sit, 24" away from the side walls and 17" away from the back wall. The center, I have it in at the edge of the top shelf of my wall unit with no issues found yet. Since I have a crossover of 80hz, the center speaker port should not work like crazy with the bass so maybe it won't need to be plugged, right?

For most of my listening, I ran the speakers at a moderate volume but I did push them to reference level (0 in my receiver's volume) quite a few times with 120W and they did not complain at all. No distortion to speak off, that I could detect.

The only thing I see where the Sierra-1 speakers could be a little better is sensitivity and dynamics. Dynamics are great for a bookshelf, but if you're going to compare it to some bigger towers with more drivers, then the SPL level is not going to be the same.

Overall, I highly reccomend these speakers, specially if you listen to a lot of music. For HT, they also do great but there are probably better options out there if that's all you listen to. I will say that for both SQ/HT, at its price point, these are hard speakers to beat. I've listened to some speakers at Magnolia, had some nice Boston Acoustics VR970's and the Mirage speakers. These Sierra-1 speakers are the best I've heard/had so far.

As for the stands, I made those out of some leftover oak ply that Home Depo had laying there, all for $5, can't complain. When you add the 3/4" veneer, glue, screws, sand, rubber pads (both in the base and the top shelf) and stain, it came close to $50, not too bad I think.

These speaker stands are solid and vibration free. Besides the rubber pads, they are heavy due to the sand I put in all four of them. The bottom base and top base are of the same size and they are 25" tall. Screws and glue were used to hold them together (no clamps). I painted them with three coats of stain to better match the color of the wall unit. Anyways, here are some pictures included of my build.

spanish68

04-03-10, 04:53 PM

A quick follow up. The Sierra-1 speakers are piano black. Also, I almost bought the Madisound SR-71 kits for a DIY speaker project but decided to go with the Sierra-1 instead (bought them at a great price and in excellent condition over at Audiogon). That SR-71 kit also uses Seas drivers like the Sierra-1, are bookshelf, are priced around the same for what I paid for my used 5.0 speaker set-up and have a good price for the performace it offers. I wonder how the SR-71 kit (done right) would compare to the Sierra-1. I do think that they both offer great performance (SQ) for the money.

farmingdad

04-03-10, 10:44 PM

Good looking stands and thanks for the review!

Steelheart1948

04-04-10, 12:01 AM

tinkerbells

04-04-10, 12:19 AM

spanish68,

Thank you for sharing photos of your setup. I was wondering if having the front right speaker located in between the tv shelf and subwoofer affects the sound in a negative way. I'm asking this because I plan on getting sierras L/C/R and would probably have to set them up very similar to the way you have them. I'm concerned about how much space I would have around the front speakers my room would have limited space. I was under the impression from reading threads on this forum that the sierras would need plenty of room behind and to the side of for the best possible sound quality. If it's okay to have them setup the way you have them then I'm definitely gonna order the sierra-1's. :D Thanks in advance for any input or suggestions.

spanish68

04-04-10, 11:42 AM

tinkerbells, from the testing/hearing I've do so far, I'm happy with the sound coming from the speakers in the current layout/speaker placement. The previous Mirage Omnisats speakers I had required more space, but the Sierra-1 to me are doing very well 24" away from the side walls and 17" away from the back wall. If you leave a couple of feet from the side wall and a feet and one-half or more from the back wall, you should be fine. If you need closer placement to the back wall (a foot or less), I would get some plugs and plug the ports of the speakers so the bass doesn't sound boomy. Believe me, if you do get these speakers, you won't be dissapointed.

Ascend

04-07-10, 12:07 AM

spanish68

04-07-10, 07:34 PM

tbraden32

04-09-10, 04:51 PM

I have a buddy trying to sell his Ascend 5.1 setup. Any suggestions on the going price for these items?

LCR CMT 340 with Ascend Floor Stands for L/R
Rear CMB 170 with Aftermarket Stands (think they are TEK)
SVS Sub PC 20-39

I have looked online and cannot find any comparisions for sale, any ideas on what he might be able to sell these for? All items are in MINT condition too. Barely used because he moved into a condo and cannot set them up.

cschang

04-09-10, 05:18 PM

How old are they? Are they the SE versions?

Here is the Ascend SE thread. You might have better luck in there.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=18153097

tbraden32

04-10-10, 01:22 PM

the speakers were orginially purchased in 2006 I beleive. They were used for about a 1.5 then have been sitting around since then. I'll post this in the other thread too.

any help would be greatly appriciated.

cmstric

04-11-10, 08:53 PM

i have now placed my order for b-stock LCR Sierra-1's and sounds like they will ship out this week once the woofers arrive.

Im so pumped. just trying to figure out what stands are gonna be the best bet.

ive been looking at the Plateau ST-Series

srw1000

04-12-10, 11:05 PM

I received the tracking number for my three Sierras tonight, so they are in the process of shipping.

Scott

tannewt

04-12-10, 11:45 PM

Nice. Mine should be shipping tomorrow or Wednesday.

cmstric

04-13-10, 11:54 AM

I received the tracking number for my three Sierras tonight, so they are in the process of shipping.

Scott

did you receive an invoice or the actually ups tracking info? I haven't gotten my tracking info yet

Ascend

04-13-10, 06:57 PM

David, thanks for your input. As I mentioned before, you have great sounding speakers at a reasonable price, a good combination.

What do you think of using a plug for the center speaker port which is located inside the cabinet? Do you think is needed (plug) with a crossover of 80hz? Thanks.

Generally speaking, placing the center speaker inside a cabinet will create a bump in the frequency response, typically in the 60-100Hz range. Using an 80Hz crossover will reduce the level from 80Hz and lower, but the "bump" will still be there. This "bump" may or may not be audible to you.

Using Q-Plug "A" will eliminate the bump resulting in a smoother roll-off and thus smoother transition to the subwoofer.

From a purely technical perspective, using the Q-Plug is ideal --- however, it is certainly possible that the 80Hz high pass filter will provide enough of a reduction so that the bump in the response will not be audible.

Hope this helps!

spanish68

04-13-10, 08:57 PM

David, thanks again. I'll probably order the Q-Plug and try it for the center channel and see how it sounds with/without the Q-Plug.

srw1000

04-14-10, 12:29 AM

did you receive an invoice or the actually ups tracking info? I haven't gotten my tracking info yetTracking info. I should get them on Friday, so I'll have all weekend to play with them.

Scott

cmstric

04-14-10, 08:51 PM

Does anyone know what a Denon sounds like with Sierra-1's? I have an AVR-1909 and a yamah rx-v659 and planned to sell the yamaha but didnt know what sounds best with these.

I hope to upgrade to an Emotiva someday.

ccotenj

04-15-10, 08:34 AM

^^^

i highly doubt that either will "sound" any different... pick the one you like best in terms of features/looks/whatever, and sell the other....

Ascend

04-15-10, 02:05 PM

David, thanks again. I'll probably order the Q-Plug and try it for the center channel and see how it sounds with/without the Q-Plug.

It is my pleasure :) I would say that the Q-Plugs are definitely worth experimenting with and if you should decide to order them, please share your thoughts with me.

Smitty4ut

04-21-10, 02:24 PM

Anyone in the Baltimore MD area that has the Sierra 1's. I would like to listen to a set. I have been unable to post at the Ascend forums, and when I click on the Frapper Map, it errors out. Any help would be appreciated.

I currently have Paradigm Studio 60's V2 and matching center. I am looking for something that is more natural sounding. I am not filling a large space, and I already have 2 subs for the 5.1 setup for movies. I am hoping that the Sierra's will be an upgrade to what I have.

Any thoughts or help would be appreciated. I know speakers are subjective. I have been listening to some Totems at a local shop, but I just can't justify what they want for them. The Totems have much more of the sound that I am looking to move to. If the Sierra's are anything like the Totem's, then I will looking to get some. The Totems that I have been listening to are the compact bookshelf models.

Thanks again for any help :cool:

ccotenj

04-21-10, 02:43 PM

^^^

you've got pm... :)

Grandarf

04-21-10, 04:43 PM

The Totems that I have been listening to are the compact bookshelf models.

Thanks again for any help :cool:

Which ones? They have like 4 which sound pretty different from another: DreamCatchers, Mites, Rainmakers and Model1s, prices in order are something like (ballpark of) 500, 600, 1200, 1800$. For what it's worth, I'd put the Sierras next to any of these any day of the week :D But they will sound different than the Totems... The Rainmakers for example have big bumps in the bass and treble: http://www.stereophile.com/standloudspeakers/1104totem/index3.html If these are what you heard and thought those sounded 'natural' to you then you might not find the same sound with the Sierras... Same for the others.. Model1 (http://www.stereophile.com/standloudspeakers/820/index3.html). Or... it could be discontinued rokks or the Tabus... Or humongous Mani-2. Let's hope for your sake it's not Tabus... Designed "by ear"... Errr... (http://www.stereophile.com/standloudspeakers/297totem/index3.html)

Smitty4ut

04-22-10, 07:18 AM

I believe that it is the Mani-2's and a couple of others. They are 4000 for one pair, and 5000 the other. Both of which is out of my price range. What I mean by the sound is that they are more laid back than the Paradigm's that I have. It is the high end that is really different. I have also listened to some Vienna's also. I believe that they are the Concert Grand Series Bach, Mozart, & Beethoven Baby Grands. I am not really saying that the Totems are natural, but that the High's are not so much in your face. I spoke Dave or David on the phone yesterday evening. As expected great customer service. I will probably be getting a set to try in the near future. I just have to get the approval from the Boss, or at least make her think it is a good idea some how.

Bsound

04-22-10, 07:28 AM

I'm in Arlington VA If you are able/willing to travel a bit south, send me a PM. I've got Sierra L/R with one Rythmik F-12SE I'd be happy to give you a listen.

CruelInventions

04-22-10, 10:40 AM

... Or humongous Mani-2.

this guy needed an editor. or an enema.

to wit..

Mani-2 Signature was designed as a statement in pure musicality. Regardless of specifications, Mani-2 Signature canalises primal energy and force into “being”.

Awaken your senses to what true coherent energy, properly focused, can contribute to your listening experiences. Some have categorized it beyond the magical, the ethereal… as simply, fundamentally visceral.
http://www.totemacoustic.com/products/compact/mani-2_signature/

What a load of incoherent overarching babble.

Chu Gai

04-22-10, 12:17 PM

this guy needed an editor. or an enema.

to wit..

http://www.totemacoustic.com/products/compact/mani-2_signature/

What a load of incoherent overarching babble.I'm verklempt.

TRT

04-22-10, 03:57 PM

Drugs!

ccotenj

04-22-10, 04:41 PM

this guy needed an editor. or an enema.

to wit..

http://www.totemacoustic.com/products/compact/mani-2_signature/

What a load of incoherent overarching babble.

that would be a good example of what a high school english teacher of mine referred to as "vomiting up the thesaurus"... :D

tbraden32

04-23-10, 09:29 AM

I posted this on the Original Ascend Owner thread, but seems nobody surfs that post anymore since I was the first to post in over 64 days, so can you new Ascend owners help me out?

As posted before, my friend had a 5.1 Ascend setup consisting of 340s across the front and 170s in the back. I got lucky and got them from him for a small fee for now...

Question is, I have TRIAD InRoom Gold LCR right now for my fronts. (currently building my setup and do not have any surrounds yet) wanting a 7.1/7.2 setup

I am thinking of using the Ascends as my side and rear surrounds. So would I put the 340s as the sides(which would be rather close to seats) and use the 170s as the rear surrounds? how would this sound matched with the TRIADs?

Also, the 340s are on Stands now, so would you suggest to put the 170s on stands or ceiling/wall mount the 170s. I am thinking of mounting them with slight angle to make sure the sound gets over the seating. Or do I put the 170s as sides and the 340 as the rears?? suggestions...

Setup:
Room 14x23.5 with 8ft ceiling TV on the 14ft wall sitting about 13-14ft from it.
Pioneer VSX91THX
Toshiba 62 DLP
PS3
SVS 20-39PCi and McIntosh HT-2
75% TV/Sports 25% Movies

I ordered supplies to run wires in the walls and ceilings, so I need to figure speaker placement out ASAP so I can get started this weekend.....

Final question, should I ditch the Ascends all together and get dedicated surrounds (inwall/dipoles)....any thoughts on that?

CruelInventions

04-23-10, 10:56 AM

that would be a good example of what a high school english teacher of mine referred to as "vomiting up the thesaurus"... :D

so I guess it should have been Pepto Bismol and not an enema. :D

cheapbast4115

04-23-10, 03:16 PM

Wondering if anyone has their sierra center in a cabinet and if so, are you using q-plugs??

cschang

04-23-10, 04:42 PM

cschang

04-23-10, 04:44 PM

Wondering if anyone has their sierra center in a cabinet and if so, are you using q-plugs??
If you are placing your Sierra in a cabinet, I would say Q plugs should be a definite purchase, and probably Q-plug A.

spanish68

04-23-10, 11:43 PM

I have my Sierra-1 center speaker in a cabinet and ordered the Q plugs for it last week. Hopefully I'll get them in the next couple of days so I can try it and see how it sounds.

tbraden32

04-24-10, 08:55 PM

Curtis,

would you say to use the 340s as the sides and the 170s in the as the rears mounted high up on the back wall? the sides will be relatively close, room is 14 wide and the main seating position is about 8ft from left wall and 6ft from right wall....i have plenty of room behind the couch(seating position) approx 5ft, maybe 6ft.

cschang

04-25-10, 11:39 AM

tbraden32

04-26-10, 11:10 AM

will i have a problem with the 340s sitting really close to the side walls considering they have rear ports, but only being used for side surrounds? i know they should have some distance, but i dont have much to spare? any suggestions or thoughts on this?

barryb100

04-26-10, 04:35 PM

I am in the process of upgrading my HT components. I have the DTS-10 Sub. I am trying to decide on l/c/r/surround speakers. My usage is 80/20 HT/Music. Is there a reason to select the 340 over the Sierra speaker for HT use? My theater design will constrain me to having wall mounted speakers; except the following is an option: I could place the front l/r below the screen, but they may have to be mounted slightly below ear level. Would it effect the sound quality if the l/r pair were tilted up about 7-10 degrees?

Smitty4ut

05-07-10, 10:13 AM

I just order a pair of Sierra-1's yesterday evening, along with matching center and stands. They should be shipping today. I am looking to upgrade from my Paradigm Studio 60's V2. I am looking for a more natural and smoother sound. I am listening to more music now than I use to. I was wondering if setting my crossover at 60hz would be a good starting place. I have 2 subs already in my room, that seem to play well together. Any thoughts or help would be welcome.

Also thanks Dave for talking with me over the phone. Your advice and help was greatly appreciated. Also thank Dina for all of her help. Your staff is truly exceptional. ;)

Thanks Tony:cool:

PS: I should be listing a pristine pair of Studio 60's and matching center very soon. I even have the manuals that came with them. PM me if interested. Sorry local only to MD. I don't have any boxes to ship them in.

ccotenj

05-07-10, 10:26 AM

^^^

as a reference point for xover, i pretty much settled on the standard 80hz as a good spot...

ymmv... but i'd start by letting the subs do their jobs... :)

cschang

05-07-10, 05:32 PM

merrymaid520

05-07-10, 05:41 PM

I agree as well, before my Rythmik I also X over at 60hz and now 80hz allowing the Sierras to play without the added stress of producing too much bass and compromising the mids.

On a side note, did everyone see the new ICE amps Dave is now selling on the Ascend site?

http://forum.ascendacoustics.com/showthread.php?t=4347

bcg27

05-07-10, 08:20 PM

I would like to make my first post as an Ascend owner! Last week I bought 5 sierra 1s in dark cherry from ccotenj. I want to first of all thank Chris, as he let me listen to the speakers in his house before I bought them. Today is the first chance I got to listen to them because I ended up buying a little before I planned because I bought them used, so I didn't have any wire or anything to hook them up. I currently have them hooked up to a ~15 year old sony 2 channel receiver, no audyssey or anything and they still sound fabulous. The dark cherry finish is excellent as well, although I must say that glossy finish picks up smudges extremely easily. I would say that there are to things that stand out when listening to this speaker. The first is the authority it has at the lower frequencies. It hands down beats the 'subwoofer' that is part of my Dad's bose system in base extension and tightness. The second is the clarity that it displays throughout its range. Guitars are crisp and clear, and the saxophone at the beginning of Gerry Rafferty's Baker Street was a revelation. I will be purchasing a receiver soon that is more capable and will be able to give some surround sound impressions. I like the speakers a lot so far and am looking forward to enjoying them for a long time to come!

ccotenj

05-08-10, 07:19 AM

^^^

it was a pleasure having you in my home, only wish you could have stayed a little longer... :)

glad you like 'em... :D

ccotenj

05-08-10, 07:22 AM

^^^
I think it all depends on the sound quality of the subs.

When I had my Hsu VTF-3.3, I crossed over at 60hz, because I felt the Sierra had better bass quality above that point. I might of even crossed lower if I could have...but the next lowest point was 40hz.

With the Rythmik, I can cross at 80hz with no loss in quality.

I agree as well, before my Rythmik I also X over at 60hz and now 80hz allowing the Sierras to play without the added stress of producing too much bass and compromising the mids.

On a side note, did everyone see the new ICE amps Dave is now selling on the Ascend site?

http://forum.ascendacoustics.com/showthread.php?t=4347

good points... i should have noted about "capable sub"... :o

Smitty4ut

05-08-10, 07:14 PM

Well I have an Outlaw LFM-1 Compact, that is almost like a HSU Mid base, and a ED A2-300. I think that they do pretty good. I would like to sell them and get 2 of the new Emotiva 12" sealed subs. There is just only so much that the wife can take at once though. I will probably try 60 first, and then 80. I know with what I have now direct sounds much better, than with Audyssey applied.

spanish68

05-12-10, 07:27 PM

I was able to listen to my Sierra-1 center channel speaker with the plug on which is located inside my big wall unit. No big changes compared to the ported version (same speaker) I heard before.

Having said that, I'm glad that I bought the plugs. The reason, in my measurements, a small bump in the frequency response was removed at my crossover of 80hz, some 3db's which help it to integrate better with the sub. The sound is basically the same, but it seemed to me from tryings both ways that the sealed version is a bit more smooth compared to the ported version.

cschang

05-12-10, 11:18 PM

I was able to listen to my Sierra-1 center channel speaker with the plug on which is located inside my big wall unit. No big changes compared to the ported version (same speaker) I heard before.
Interesting. A fairly noticeable difference for me with my center and spacing it has from the wall.

Which plug did you try? "A" is what made the difference for me.

spanish68

05-12-10, 11:57 PM

I'm also using plug A for the Sierra center channel. The L/R Sierra's do not have any plugs since they have a good distance from the back/side walls. I ran my tests at a moderate volume level, perhaps I need to run them at a higher volume level?

cschang

05-13-10, 12:01 AM

RicardoJoa

05-13-10, 05:12 AM

bcg27

05-13-10, 08:19 AM

Do any sierra owners have them paired with an onkyo rc180 receiver? There are some really great deals going on for this receiver and I am wondering how the sound will complement the sierras.

spanish68

05-13-10, 08:27 PM

cschang, you're correct! Yesterday, I spent some more time with the speakers/sub, adjusting the phase, moving the sub around, running more test tones and doing a little eq. work with my Rane PE-17 parametric eq.

I cut down three peaks in my response, the integration with the speakers/sub is now better than ever (crossover of 80hz) and I now have a better frequency response (flatter) of both my AE AV15X sub and Sierra's.

Smitty4ut

05-14-10, 10:20 AM

Please let us know how the sierra compare to your studio 60, before you list them for sale. It should be an interesting comparo.

I'll be glad to, it is going to take me a little while though. My amp went up on Wednesday evening, and my Sierra's showed up on Thursday evening. So I have them hooked up to my Denon, until I can get my amp repaired. I shipped it out Thursday evening, and it is supposed to arrive on Monday for Emotiva to look at it. Once I get it back, I can set it all back up and run Audyssey again.

I have been listening to music in direct mode even with my Paradigms. I don't really like what Audyssey does to 2 channel. Even with the Sierra's hook up to my Denon, I have noticed a couple of things already.

First dialog is clearer even at lower volume levels. The Sierra's are not as bright as the Paradigms are. I am sure that the different type of tweeters are part of the reason for that. Also as most everyone else the Sierra's really impress me with the amount and quality of bass that they can produce.

I am really looking forward to getting them broke in, and hooked up to my XPA-5. Then I will put some critical listening time in.

Ascend

05-25-10, 07:40 PM

Do any sierra owners have them paired with an onkyo rc180 receiver? There are some really great deals going on for this receiver and I am wondering how the sound will complement the sierras.

I am running a pair and center off of an Onkyo 606 and have been quite pleased with the results. The RC180 is definitely a step up from the 606 so I am quite confident that the combination will be very impressive.

Hope this helps!

cacophony777

05-25-10, 08:19 PM

Anybody know where I can audition a pair of Sierra-1s in the SF Bay Area (preferable close to Palo Alto) ?

Thanks!

dcherne

05-26-10, 01:06 PM

Anybody know where I can audition a pair of Sierra-1s in the SF Bay Area (preferable close to Palo Alto) ?

Thanks!

Yes, you're welcome to listen to mine. PM sent.

unclepauly

05-27-10, 11:16 PM

Bill Mac

05-28-10, 11:08 PM

Just put an order in for a pair of light cherry 1's!!! Can't wait to get em home.. my old setup was polk rti8's matched to an onkyo 605 and the new improved will be the 1's with an onkyo 805. Never liked music on the rti's...

Although I have never heard the rti8s I am sure you will enjoy the Sierra-1s
very much especially with music. I am still quite happy with Sierra-1s after having them for over a year and half. That is quite amazing for me as I get the upgrade itch quite often but not so with the Sierra-1s:).

I had the 805 in my system for quite awhile and I believe you will find it a step up from the 605. I have a 886 now but still have the 805 packed away and I really do not want to sell it.

Bill

claytont

06-03-10, 11:49 AM

I have read that the 340s are better for HT while the Sierras are better for music. Any truth to this?

ccotenj

06-03-10, 01:49 PM

imo...

the sierra is a better speaker, period...

however, the 340 is a bit more "ht friendly", since it has significantly better sensitivity numbers and will be much easier to drive than the sierra...

ime... i had sierra's in a 7.1 config in my room (roughly 13X16X9)... they didn't suck... ;)

cschang

06-03-10, 01:54 PM

I have read that the 340s are better for HT while the Sierras are better for music. Any truth to this?
There should be no differentiation between HT and music. A good speaker is a good speaker....period. In both cases, the speaker is being asked to reproduce the signal that it is fed. How you should judge is by identifying the specific criteria that is important to you.

That said, the Sierra and 340SE are different speakers. Both are accurate and neutral with excellent off-axis response. The Sierras, IMO are better overall, but when it comes to output, the 340SE's probably have the edge.

Smitty4ut

06-09-10, 10:46 AM

Please let us know how the sierra compare to your studio 60, before you list them for sale. It should be an interesting comparo.

Well it isn't night and day. The Sierra's actually go as low, or maybe just a little lower. It is very close for the Bass. The Sierra's seem to have slightly better mids, with more detail, and with better transition. The highs seem to be there, just not as forward or bright as the 60's. I do like the way the silk dome tweeters sound over the aluminum ones. Clean & Crisp without being harsh. I really am impressed with the Sierra-1's. They are really a remarkable speaker. I have noticed that having the same speaker across the front has its advantages. I am able to hear the dialog in movies clearer, even at lower volumes. So I actually don't have to turn it up as loud for it to be clear. Also music is clean & clear even at low volumes. Of course if you really want to crank it the 60's can play extremely loud, and fill a much Larger area. If I weren't going to keep the Sierra-1's, I would still be extremely happy with the Paradigm's. They have been a great speaker for me. I am just changing in what I like, and I am listening to more and more music. For Straight HT, I would give the nod to the 60's.

Hope the info helps.

:D

miller8b

07-10-10, 07:50 AM

Although I have never heard the rti8s I am sure you will enjoy the Sierra-1s
very much especially with music. I am still quite happy with Sierra-1s after having them for over a year and half. That is quite amazing for me as I get the upgrade itch quite often but not so with the Sierra-1s:).

I had the 805 in my system for quite awhile and I believe you will find it a step up from the 605. I have a 886 now but still have the 805 packed away and I really do not want to sell it.

Bill

Hey Bill, if I remember correctly, a few months ago you were going to order some of Jim Salks speakers. Did you ever do that and if so which ones did you get and how do the Sierra's compare?

Will the Sierra's play loud? My room isn't huge but on occasion I like to crank it:)

Bill Mac

07-10-10, 03:31 PM

Hey Bill, if I remember correctly, a few months ago you were going to order some of Jim Salks speakers. Did you ever do that and if so which ones did you get and how do the Sierra's compare?

Will the Sierra's play loud? My room isn't huge but on occasion I like to crank it:)

Your memory is a good one (unlike mine:D) and I have ordered the SongTowers and SongCenter. They should arrive in a few weeks so I can report back then what my thoughts are between the STs and Sierras.

I have run my Sierras with a sub and without in my fairly small room (14'x17'). I have cranked the Sierras to some very high volumes and they handle it just fine. I have always used an external amp which helps greatly as you are not clipping an AVR with questionable power. The Sierras do like the additional power so if at all possible I would recommend an external amp. I have found using a sub (Rythmik F12SE) with the Sierras for music is the way to go as you get lower output and you do not push them as much.

It was a tough decision for me to go with a different speaker as I had heard the rumors of a tower speaker and an upgraded tweeter for the Sierras. But in the end I decided to go with the STs as I have always wanted to try them. As with the Sierras I bought them sight unseen but both speakers get rave reviews from the press and more so from owners.

I will say without a doubt that if you do go with the Sierras you will be dealing with an excellent company. The service I received from Dave F. and the staff at Ascend are among the best I have ever experienced. I also recommend auditioning as many speakers as you can and if possible do that in your own system if at all possible. Good luck:)!

Bill

miller8b

07-10-10, 05:33 PM

Your memory is a good one (unlike mine:D) and I have ordered the SongTowers and SongCenter. They should arrive in a few weeks so I can report back then what my thoughts are between the STs and Sierras.

I have run my Sierras with a sub and without in my fairly small room (14'x17'). I have cranked the Sierras to some very high volumes and they handle it just fine. I have always used an external amp which helps greatly as you are not clipping an AVR with questionable power. The Sierras do like the additional power so if at all possible I would recommend an external amp. I have found using a sub (Rythmik F12SE) with the Sierras for music is the way to go as you get lower output and you do not push them as much.

It was a tough decision for me to go with a different speaker as I had heard the rumors of a tower speaker and an upgraded tweeter for the Sierras. But in the end I decided to go with the STs as I have always wanted to try them. As with the Sierras I bought them sight unseen but both speakers get rave reviews from the press and more so from owners.

I will say without a doubt that if you do go with the Sierras you will be dealing with an excellent company. The service I received from Dave F. and the staff at Ascend are among the best I have ever experienced. I also recommend auditioning as many speakers as you can and if possible do that in your own system if at all possible. Good luck:)!

Bill

Bill, I use an emotiva RPA-2 for my FR and FL and it has plenty of power I believe, 200W @ 8 Ohms and 350W @ 4 Ohms. On some music my Axioms sound great but there is some music I like to listen to that I just would rather not because those metal tweeters make me cringe.

I have an old surround set of Atlantic Technology speakers, the small ones, I think model 920 or similar. I had those set up last night (oh yeah I use an emotiva USP-1 for my 2 channel preamp also) and I had the ATs hooked up and crossed over to my ULS-15 HSU sub. There is a song by carrie underwood that was a Randy Travis song and she sings the heck out of it. CU sings loud, strong and high pitched when warranted and I played that last night through the Atlantic Technologies at a pretty high volume and then made my wife leave the room and connected the axioms with the sub and replayed for my wife at the same spls. My wife said of the axioms "that is too loud" although I played both at the same level. What she really meant once she worked it out was that playing the same song at the same loudness the axioms were hard on her hearing and she tired of it in a hurry. Seems the ATs with their silk dome tweeter just didn't get into the nail on a blackboard area and I actually agree with her.

I have some Charles Brown and other male vocalist music and some Diana Krall, etc. that sound really good on the axioms but I want to find something that I can play all my music on during a party of whatever where I don't have to go leaping for the remote when certain songs come on.