I'll be moving to a new apt that has a combined living room/dining room - all in all about 15 x 25ft space with 8ft ceilings and an opening to a small kitchen as well.

Right now I'm in a 12x15x8 room (with openings to kitchen and dining rooms as well), using Hsu STF-1, and it's OK for my needs. It's nice with music and as for HT... being in an apt complex I can't crank it up really high anyway.

So, I thought I'd get something slightly bigger for the new apt, hence the PB10 idea. Do you think it'll be sufficient? I guess a PB12 would be worth considering, but it's a bit more than I'm willing to spend. Besides, I just read someone noting that the PB12 is not as 'tight' for music as the PB10, and music performance is more important to me than HT.

Anything else I should consider in the $500 (incl. shipping) price range?

Thanks.

Granted, I have not heard SVS Products, but I would have to wager that the PB12 is in no way "less tight" than the PB10. You can have a very large woofer cone and still have extremely "tight" bass. It all depends on the motor of the woofer, enclosure quality, and the room acoustics.

My advice to you is to go with the largest subwoofer you can afford. SVS, HSU, AV123, Axiom, ACI, JL, Velodyne... all of their subs are "tight". Spend more than 600$ with these companies and you are pretty much guaranteed a great subwoofer.

A good guideline is 1$ per cubic foot of unenclosed space the subwoofer is in. This would allow for close to "reference" level movie effects. If your expectations are less, then your costs go down accordingly.

I just noticed your $$$$. For 500$ shipped, not much else other than the SVS PB-10. Perhaps you can sell your current sub and use those funds to bump into the 700$ level of subwooferage from these companies?

Well i can tell you i have a way bigger space than that with a PB10 and i love it. Now i would like to add another PB10 just because my room is so big. But my room is close to three times the size of yours. But it does a real good job considering it's size and price. I think you will be real happy with it in that size room. But i bet your neighbors wont. It will really surprise you that it is just a single ten. I say go for it!

2,784^3 for me 1 Pb10 is to small. Fine for music but lacking for HT. Apt probably enough but I'd rather have more head room.

I'm sure you'd be plenty happy with a PB10. I have a PB12 in a 3000/3100cf room (livingroom that is open into a small dining room and kitchen), and it's plenty. Though I do find it weird going into my kitchen during a bass heavy scene and not hearing any bass at all.

http://www.aptbook.com/FloorPlans/ListingNumber164Floorplan5519.jpg

TV is on the long wall in livingroom and sub is in corner of same wall by the deck door.

Just go with the PB12-NSD overstock deal. You won't regret a damn a thing. You'll have plenty of headroom at your disposal. Heck get any descent 12' sub. I own 2xPB10-NSD on a 900ft^3 room and still want some more :D

What overstock? lol All I see is the 10 silver or white for $375.

IMO the PB10 will be sufficient. I also live in an apartment, and have a living room that opens to the kitchen and dining area, with a total cubic footage of about 3500 cubic feet. The thing easily causes the cabinets to resonate badly at even moderate levels, and given that you don't want to completely tick off your neighbors, going much louder than moderate levels wouldn't be advised anyways. Of course if you're a basshead who doesn't really care about his neighbors, or want to futureproof your investment for if you move into a house, then by all means, go for the pb12 if you can swing it.

One other thing to keep in mind though: the PB10 is a huge imposing beast. By the significantly larger dimensions of the 12, it would take up a huge amount of real estate and be extremely imposing your room.

You could also consider the 20-39 PCi (if your thinking of purchasing the PB12-NSD) for the same price and a smaller footprint.

The PB10-NSD is a nice little sub, but for 3,000^3 FT of space, it may not be enough... specially if you want to play your system at high levels during HT applications.

Thanks for all the responses. At this time, I have to find a buyer for my STF-1 before I can even consider getting the PB10. Playing HT at high levels is out of the question - I don't want to get evicted. :)

Anyone want to buy my STF-1? :) I'm in south FL by the way.

What overstock? lol All I see is the 10 silver or white for $375. The PB12-NSD in white or silver is now out of stock, so I suspect the overstock deal os gone. It was a great bargain while it lasted, and would have been perfect for the OP.

Still, while the PB10-NSD won't play quite as loud, it is more than suffiecient for most people in a 3000 cu. ft. room, just not the bass freaks that hang out here. (I'm one of them. :o )

In a 3000 cubic foot room...............100% I'd step up to the PB-12NSD...

But then again I do like my bass :D

my room is open and larger than 3000ft^3, and a PB-10 is more than enough deep, clean, authoritative bass. people who say you need more are those who won't settle for anything less than reference level bass, which will certainly get you evicted.

I have the PB10 in a room over 2000 sq ft that opens into a kitchen and hallway and it puts out a lot of bass. It is perfectly matched to the rest of the audio soundtrack and shakes my entire downstairs (all this assumes that you have properly calibrated the sub which makes a huge difference). For the price (and it is substantially less than the 12, esp. when you consider the b-stock items) I would venture to say you wouldn't be wishing you had anything else than the PB10 in that room... :)

I'll be moving to a new apt that has a combined living room/dining room - all in all about 15 x 25ft space with 8ft ceilings and an opening to a small kitchen as well.

Right now I'm in a 12x15x8 room (with openings to kitchen and dining rooms as well), using Hsu STF-1, and it's OK for my needs. It's nice with music and as for HT... being in an apt complex I can't crank it up really high anyway.

So, I thought I'd get something slightly bigger for the new apt, hence the PB10 idea. Do you think it'll be sufficient? I guess a PB12 would be worth considering, but it's a bit more than I'm willing to spend. Besides, I just read someone noting that the PB12 is not as 'tight' for music as the PB10, and music performance is more important to me than HT.

Anything else I should consider in the $500 (incl. shipping) price range?

Thanks.
Hi Pete thought I would chime in here. I recently purchased a PB10-NSD and will say right off it is an awesome sub. Very articulate and punchy sounding with music and great extension when watching movies. My room is just a tad bit under 2000 cubic feet with an opening to a small hallway (closet) and my dining area. The PB10 did a great job BUT felt as though I needed a bit more. So, I sent it back and got the PB12-NSD and just let me go on record here and say that I am very happy I did. That is, the PB12-NSD does EVERYTHING the PB10 does but gives you more of it. This is especially true down deep. Not that the PB10 is any slouch because it isn't. I do believe, however, the PB10 is just a bit tighter musically speaking but let me emphasize the word "bit". In other words, the PB10 is just a little better with music BUT noticeable nonetheless.. If you can spend a bit more I do believe you would be happier with the PB12-NSD BUT by the same token you would NOT be unhappy with the PB10. For comparative purposes, I used to own a Mirage S12 that I found to be very tight and articulate with music and very good in playing down deep. But, imho the PB10 is better in that it just sounded cleaner and handled transients better. Anyways, I hope this helps. Good luck in your decision. Happy Hunting!!!!!! :) :)