I hope you can advise me in the best option to intergrate the sub with my audio settings.


My place is about 2300 cubic feet.(5.5*4.5*2.8 meters). I search something good to combine with my components.
I have a pair of dynaudio contour 1.3 SE that sound very well with a rotel rmb 991 as amp and a marantz sr 7400 as pre. All conected with van den hul.
I love home theater as music too. 40%-60%.
I just Start with subwoofer because i wait only for svs. Your product.
Read reviews a lot of it and don´ t want do a mistake.

2xPB12-NSD#
2xSB12-Plus
or single PB12–Plus/2?

Tks a lot. Sorry for my bad english.

I would choose a single PB12 Plus, add another one in the future if necessary.

I have the same prize for pb 12 plus and pb 12 plus/2...
its special offer for me.
Do you go for pb 12 plus single in that case
?

tks

There are a number of factors involved, so you'll have to determine your priorities.

A single PB12 Plus/2 would be the most space efficient solution, especially if your intention would be to co-locate two PB12-NSDs or Pluses in order to achieve maximum output.

If your goal is to smooth room response, two subs that are separated are likely to work better. And, of course, two are needed if you are primarily concerned about localization (an issue with music for some people). Two separated subs can be more trouble to integrate, though.

A pair of PB-Pluses will play 3 or 4dB louder than a pair of PB12-NSD's, but, unless you are looking for extreme SPL's, you probably won't notice in that sized room.

For what it's worth, I have a room about the same size as yours and have had great success with a PC-Plus in front (behind my TV) and a PB-12-NSD directly to the rear (about half as far from my listening position). I'm sure that two NSD's would have been sufficient. They are quite amazing for their price. I wanted the 16-46 PC-Plus so I could tune it to 12Hz, though. (My quirk.) My primary objective was smoother in-room frequency response, but I also gained a more powerful feeling very low end when I added the PB12-NSD to the PC-Plus I had previously.

However, if you are saying you can get two PB12-Pluses for the cost of one PB12-Plus/2, I'd snap them up in a heartbeat. That would make them the same price as the NSD's, which would be a no-brainer. (Sorry if the idiom is not clear.)

Tks.I understand your words all.
No....i have same prize for 1 single pb 12 plus .....1400 euros
and a single pb 12 plus/2.......................................1500 euros.
It s a special ofer for pb 12 plus/2.

Finally im thinking to start with a pb 12 plus and buy another (or a pb12 nsd like your configuration )when i have more money to search the smothest sound.

I think that pb 12 plus/2 is not so smothest at any configuration and my dynaudios contour 1.3 SE are more integrated with a pb12 plus.

¿Do you think a single pb plus is more smothest than a single pb plus/2?
I m thinking in this firts step with one subwoofer alone.
Tks!

With a little care in set up, they will be equally smooth.

The PB12-Plus/2 is just capable of greater output. It would be the better choice if you want to play loud, especially if you prefer the 16Hz tuning. For only $100 euros more, it would be hard for me to turn down the extra headroom.

Tks...and for me too

Yes...but im thinking in future and duals ...
How i can combine a pb 12 plus /2?
With another pb 12 plus 2?
and my cubic 2300 feet...asking in my space its too much power.


Do you think its beter smoth two 12 plus or two 12 plus 2?


Maybe i kill my dynaudios...?
Sorry...im newby.

You can never have "too much" power. It does no harm. The only drawback is that you could wind up paying for power you don't use. (Still, for $100 euros, I wouldn't worry about it very much, as I'd rather have too much than fret about having too little. But that's me.)

Space may be a consideration. The PB-Pluses are very big, the Plus/2's bigger yet. And extremely heavy! Other than that, two of either would work. You could even mix them, if you wish. They use the same drivers, so they will sound very much alike except for maximum output. Actually, when you put them in different parts of the room you will get quite different frequency response curves from two identical subs. (That contributes to the smoothing effect, but also makes integrating them more difficult.) As I mentioned, I use two different model SVS's with great success.

Don't worry about their effect on your other speakers. You do have to spend a little time on integration, but once you do they will blend smoothly. That applies to any sub.

One other thought: Consider an EQ to smooth your response. You might be very pleased with a single Plus/2 equalized with something like a Velodyne SMS-1. The SMS-1's are expensive (~$600US which I guess would be around 450 euros, although taxes and duties probably add substantially to your cost), but one Plus/2 and an SMS-1 probably cost less than two Pluses. Or you could look into something less expensive, like the Behringer Feedback Destroyer, which may cost even less in Europe than here, where it can be had for ~$100US. Not nearly as easy to use as the SMS-1, but very effective nonetheless.

Tks a lot...
Very usefull information.
I´m in a step to get the pb12 plus/2.
I´m afraid ...like the wc man in Jurasic Park when dinosaur arrives and eat him.
Tks a lot...maybe this night when will be sleeping...pb12plus/2 come again into my dreams and tomorrow when sunshines come to my window take my coffe, take my VISA and buy my dinosaur before go to the wc. :)
TKS!

Nice set up you have.

Since you like music (60%) I'd consider dual sb12+'s. With music at decent volumes it can become easier to localize bass (pressurization issues, etc.) with a single sub. Looking at your speaker spec's a 40 Hz crossover should do the job nicely.

Many people like the sound quality of sealed sub's, especially for music, hence the SB12+ recommendation.

All of these subs will integrate equally well. They are all quite smooth in bass response. The issue of smooth bass response is going to come down to how they work in your room. In my experience it is money very well spent to get a parametric equalizer to flatten the in room bass response you have. Rooms tend to have significant bass lull bass hump frequencies. Something like the SMS-1 as mentioned, or a BFD, or an ART 351 EQ would help much. The SMS-1 would be best, but it is going to cost more.

With dual subs you can run them as stereo bass to as an option, and it would be great to try it in .1 and stereo bass set up's to see what you prefer. Although I think it would be a pain to switch between .1 and stereo bass often.

All are excellent sub's. I have a pb12+/2 and it works well for me. I don't use it much for music though because I find my towers work fine. If you want to have lots of low end bass (below 25 Hz) for HT it is hard to not recommend the pb12+/2 or dual pb12+'s.

I guess it is a bit of a compromise. Do you want big time HT bass, or the best regarded sound for music? Either compromise won't be much, but you should decide which you want more.

Also email SVS and ask them if dual SB12+'s would do well for HT in that size of room.

Good luck.


kw.............

...I´m afraid ...like the wc man in Jurasic Park when dinosaur arrives and eat him...
:D Wait until you hear that scene on your PB12-Plus/2! :eek:

It sounds like you want to got deeper than the SB12 will go, but with a room the size of yours you really need to look at available floor space. try to make a cardboard mock up of the subs, or at lease something the same as the footprint, and see if you have space for a +/2 or even a +. For footprint restricted space, you could look at the cylinders as well.

I just saw some panoramic pictures of your island. Why would you stay indoors watching movies. Ibiza looks like a lovely place to live.

I'm kinda leaning with Randy here. The cylinders might well be the answer here. If single, then go with one of the upcoming new PC13-Ultras, or if you need it right now or intend to eventually go with duals, then consider two 16-46 PC+ subs.

You'll get all the extension you want with either one, ... but methinks the new Ultras will have just that extra bit of everything nice, along with all the impact you could crave.

Tim

OvalNut***********************
It s imposible by the moment take cilinders at my country...
I wait a month by the moment...i´m waiting a better price because i was a bit confused whit VAT& tax cost...
It will be reduced in a month +-
...Tks for your words.



ransac***************************


Yes...it s a big subwoofer...but i, m single and i don t have WAF at home...:)

"I just saw some panoramic pictures of your island. Why would you stay indoors watching movies. Ibiza looks like a lovely place to live."

Well...is like Pretty woman film...when Julia Roberts eat stranberry and she said...."mmmmm...grumf grumf...so good!"
and Richard Gere said...
"take some champagne ...it increase the flavour..."

....Of course Ibiza is a Stramberry...but im sure SVS sub will be my champagne...
Nothing incompatible...Beach at the at day, beers at evening...party at night with SVS ...
I like blondes,browns, and red hair girl too...nothing incompatible...
The rioja wine and the Budwaiser beer....i like variety...
:)

Nice set up you have.

Since you like music (60%) I'd consider dual sb12+'s. With music at decent volumes it can become easier to localize bass (pressurization issues, etc.) with a single sub. Looking at your speaker spec's a 40 Hz crossover should do the job nicely.

Many people like the sound quality of sealed sub's, especially for music, hence the SB12+ recommendation.

All of these subs will integrate equally well. They are all quite smooth in bass response. The issue of smooth bass response is going to come down to how they work in your room. In my experience it is money very well spent to get a parametric equalizer to flatten the in room bass response you have. Rooms tend to have significant bass lull bass hump frequencies. Something like the SMS-1 as mentioned, or a BFD, or an ART 351 EQ would help much. The SMS-1 would be best, but it is going to cost more.

With dual subs you can run them as stereo bass to as an option, and it would be great to try it in .1 and stereo bass set up's to see what you prefer. Although I think it would be a pain to switch between .1 and stereo bass often.

All are excellent sub's. I have a pb12+/2 and it works well for me. I don't use it much for music though because I find my towers work fine. If you want to have lots of low end bass (below 25 Hz) for HT it is hard to not recommend the pb12+/2 or dual pb12+'s.

I guess it is a bit of a compromise. Do you want big time HT bass, or the best regarded sound for music? Either compromise won't be much, but you should decide which you want more.

Also email SVS and ask them if dual SB12+'s would do well for HT in that size of room.

Good luck.


kw.............
Yep...excelent for music...

"I guess it is a bit of a compromise. Do you want big time HT bass, or the best regarded sound for music?...."

I think i like more for music...
And finally take two of this subs. 1 now and another in a year or so.
I think pb12+ it´s the best for me.
Tks a lot for advises
I just start to see some EQ.
But i´m not a pro. I need to see more and -....i have a lot of budgets in my room.
It seems like NASA control room in Cañaveral...
But i don t have WAF. And it s all ok.
Tks!