Along with ginos request for 1080p72 i have been trying to get jim to have a blendin feature on the new lumagen. he said he is still thinking about it but not sure how many would sell just because of this feature lets take a poll!

I have a blender but still would prefer a Lumagen solution.
Sent an email to Lumagen Support that emphasized this.

JRP wants this sent to: support@lumagen.com

He is as fine a guy as you will meet in this business.
Haflich confirmed this with me & any gut that smokes a cigar bigger than his car is allright with me.

Guys,

I have two G70s poised at the ready and have bought myself one of these (see pic) - but I can’t work out how to connect it. Any ideas?


My apologies if I am repeating someone else’s post. :D

Very Funny Barcoed! I was waiting for someone to do that! Must be that English humor!

Athanasios

I take it two single units would be required?

Anyway to lock the frame rates together (Genlock?)

The ability to do this is within most scalers already.

Its just people dont write the firmware to control it.

And that is the issue, if it is written then it must be perfect, and to test that part of video systems "blending" is very difficult as the projectors play a very large part, and the sellers of a scaler have no control over the PJs, although these days scalers are able to do so much more.....................

What the price of the unit at the mo?

I take it two single units would be required?

It has two outputs with two engins so only one will be needed

Athanasios

What the price of the unit at the mo?
I think it's around $4000....
To high for me.
Will stick with the Nvidia+correction solution for the time being.

Henrik

All right Back over 60 % i know there are more you out there! come guys and gals! Vote I want blending! Tim M you too! Dont you sell Lumagens also?

Athansios

I also voted "Yes i want it to have Blending capability, i'll buy it if it has it !!!". I only have one projector, but if a relatively inexpensive blending solution was available, I probably would have already purchased a second G90.


James

Buy the second projector and stack until a cheap blend comes along.

I don't get it. Who's not seeing the big picture here? (no pun intended) I've seen more posts than I can count on both hands and feet that seem concerned about the cost of a blending solution. What about the cost of,
A. buying two projectors
B. setting up two projectors
C. maintanence of two projectors
D. eventual re-tubing and re-calibrating of two projectors

Then there's the chance that one projector will be down for some reason and the whole deal is un-usable.

I think this keeping up with and/or surpassing the Art's has gone to far but heck, it's your hard earned money. Spend it any way you wish :D

Chip

Chip. Have you heard of the rule of distributed misery?

Basically, unlike entropy the amount of misery in the world is fixed. Everyone more or less gets their fair share.

When I was young, I owned a MGA (a British sports car with a wooden floor and an electrical system by Pucus, opps, Lucus). The car was a source of considerable misery but the rest of my life was very good..

According to the rule, if I purchased a second British sports car, as long as I owned them both I would never even get a cold.

Now I have a Miata.It always works, no misery.

But I own a FP CRT. Only one. According to the rule, if I want to eliminate all other misery from my life, I should do a blend.

BTW. Did you get the chip?

Chip. Have you heard of the rule of distributed misery?

Basically, unlike entropy the amount of misery in the world is fixed. Everyone more or less gets their fair share.

When I was young, I owned a MGA (a British sports car with a wooden floor and an electrical system by Pucus, opps, Lucus). The car was a source of considerable misery but the rest of my life was very good..

According to the rule, if I purchased a second British sports car, as long as I owned them both I would never even get a cold.

Now I have a Miata.It always works, no misery.

But I own a FP CRT. Only one. According to the rule, if I want to eliminate all other misery from my life, I should do a blend.

BTW. Did you get the chip?

Yes, I got that a long time ago. That's why I bought a AmPro :D and a few extra's for spare parts ;)

I recieved the care package and hope to test it this weekend. Thank you. If the cover is still off. there is a sticker on the inside listing the OS for yours. can you look at it for me?

Chip

I'm on call all day today till 7:00AM tomorrow so all bets are off for playing with toys today.

No such sticker that I can see.

You guys are funny ! :)

Keeping this on the first page. Bump !

Cool were up to 30 who want the blend option! Are you listening JP?

Athansios

If you pm me a DIRECT cantact I will be happy to send an email,

I will not send an email to a general "support" address.......

I have lots of info to give and might be able to show others the financial gain from them offering a blend feature.................




ALSO - Could some one check - this unit has TWO TOTALLY independent scaler engines.

There are others with 2 engines BUT that are not able to be totally separate, as a result some features are not available in a one box solution.

bump

is there an update nashou66?

The recent thread about the tvone scaler has made me want to bump this thread back up into view. Lets get some more intrest for the guys at lumagen to seriously try to work this into their radiance, this would be the most simple and elegant blending solution i belive.

Athanasios

Heck - I'm leaning strongly toward the Radiance just for the PIP - if it'll also do blending, dude, I'm there. :D

I'll buy one for sure if it does blending. I am one month away from ordering TVOne's gear, but would hold off if I got a verbal committment from Lumagen that they will do the blending.

Bob

I'll buy one for sure if it does blending. I am one month away from ordering TVOne's gear, but would hold off if I got a verbal committment from Lumagen that they will do the blending.

Bob

Bob, what are you going with? the single C2-7000 series or two C2-12xx orC2-2xxx series.

the C2-7200 was sweet when i had it, and it does a great job of scaling, maybe as good as a lumeie.

Athanasios

Bob check this out !

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=11372532&postcount=1003

Everyone send an e-mail to tech support requesting this. there getting close to the final features list !


Athanasios

Seriously considering a pair of C2-260's. I'm learning that they are functionally the same as the 2XXX series and all they need is 12V power supply. A computer is not needed. I'll use a conventional scaler for de-interlacing, input selection and AR control. All I want the TVOne to do is blend, scale past 1080, and change refresh to 72, all of which can't be done by most scalers because of the inherent bandwidth limitations of DVI and HDMI configurations to 165MHz.

Bob

i guess you could always use and old computer case to even hold the cards and provide the power. But i also think it would be best to use a computer so you could for fun add your own graphics before a movie with the name of yout theater or add your own previews of home movies or other things that are on your computer. i think it what they had in mind with this, plus it be really cool!

Athanasios

The RGB output used would be separate from the cumputer video output card, but you could loop the computer's output into the TVOne's input if you really wanted to. Also, as I remember, TVOne can accept logo's inmported to it. The only tie with the computer is the power supply.

Bob

Ahhhh touche`!

Athanasios

This was posted in the processor forum! Lets hope they do it!!!!!!!!!

We have the blended output on the list of possible features for the Radiance. I believe it would output something like 60% of the image from each output with something like 20% of the image being gradiated for blending purposes. Don't quote me on these percentages. Due to hardware requirements this might end up being a separate model of the Radiance. The engineering hasn't been started yet and the details haven't been decided. I just want you to know that it is on our list.

Best regards,
Randy Freeman

Athanasios

There is also talk of the Crystalio 2 being able to do blending - except unlike the Radiance, only a single unit should be required.

The Crystalio 2 already has 3 concurrent outputs, which apparently makes it great for stacking.

Yes, only 1 RGBHV, but having 2 HDMI outputs means you can use 2 HDFurys or 2 Moome cards (or whatever your choice).

It certainly has enough power, you can have two discrete inputs independently processed into two discrete outputs at the same time. So if you have two display devices, you can use the C2 for both.

Right now, PMS don't think there's enough demand there, but for all the C2 (or soon to be) owners, visit this link and express your support:

http://www.pixelmagicforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2858

I'm learning that they are functionally the same as the 2XXX series and all they need is 12V power supply. A computer is not needed.

You do know that the C2-260 comes with Windows based control software on a cd. Anyone find out what the PC system requirements are? If it will function with only a power supply, it can't be much.

You do know that the C2-260 comes with Windows based control software on a cd. Anyone find out what the PC system requirements are? If it will function with only a power supply, it can't be much.

I thought i saw that it will work with Windows and Mac OSX. it be great if it does, more options for the mac HTPC guys!!! I'm more af a mac guy :D


Oliverg is trying to hijack my thread ! ;) Its ok the more attention blending gets the better it is for all of use to have the competition for these companies to get this feature to the home theater enthusist. And maybe bring prices down. then maybe Tim at etech will start using other blend solutions beside the analog way units.

Athanasios

You do know that the C2-260 comes with Windows based control software on a cd.

I misread the specs. They do not say that the control software comes on a cd, just that the manual does. They do say that that the control software is Microsoft Windows Based but nothing about Mac. However, the product description say that "a wide variety of computer signal formats are available to support PC, Mac and Workstation formats", "All the functions can be controlled via a Windows Control Panel from the host PC" and "an OSD is provided to assist in setup". Also, "Most third party control systems interface directly with the C2-260".

A little confusing about the Mac. But since I'll (if I ever start down the blending path) be using a PC, I'm convered.

I suggest obtaining the TVONE Product Catalog and the Edge Blending Brochure available on the TVONE website.

Just notice the following on TV-One's Bstock page (http://www.tvone.com/bstocklist.shtml)


C2-7200 Fair UNIT ONLY $6,300.00
C2-2350 Good Box looks used $1,797.00
C2-2350 Excellent Unit Only $1,797.00

If I remember correctly a guy from TV-One wrote in some thread somewhere that,
the C2-260 has it's own video inputs and output on the back of the card
and is controlled through RS-232 from a computer that runs the control software.
The only reason it's formed as a PCI card is to have someplace to be seated
and power for the card is supplied through a connector on the card that is attached to the plugs from the PC powersupply.

Henrik

The only thing the pc supplies is 12 volts from a power supply. The cards will operate by themselves.

It would be nice if Lumagen could make the blending work but then it is not that simple to implement and I would not like to wait for this feature for a year or longer.

Just reminding some on here that the guys at Lumagen first have to get the single output functionality to where it is supposed to be.

That being said I would buy the Lumagen if it can blend in a reasonable timeframe - that would be too cool :)

It would be nice if Lumagen could make the blending work but then it is not that simple to implement and I would not like to wait for this feature for a year or longer.

Just reminding some on here that the guys at Lumagen first have to get the single output functionality to where it is supposed to be.

That being said I would buy the Lumagen if it can blend in a reasonable timeframe - that would be too cool :)

I agree with most, but i believe they can quickly have the blend set up. I brought this up to them long time ago and they said they would look into/work on it. And one thing i find with the guys at lumagen is that they follow through with what they say.

On another thought i was thinking about the blend set up and then wondered how a triple blend/stack would be? Two projectors blended with a third in a middle position further back in an opposite ceiling floor orientation? so either blend on top and stack bottom or vice versa? hmmmmm? Gino, Andre want to give it a shot?

Athanasios

I agree with most, but i believe they can quickly have the blend set up. I brought this up to them long time ago and they said they would look into/work on it. And one thing i find with the guys at lumagen is that they follow through with what they say.

On another thought i was thinking about the blend set up and then wondered how a triple blend/stack would be? Two projectors blended with a third in a middle position further back in an opposite ceiling floor orientation? so either blend on top and stack bottom or vice versa? hmmmmm? Gino, Andre want to give it a shot?

Athanasios

Lumagen has an existing customer base that wants the current functionality of the Vision series plus a better chipset plus a few goodies Lumagen promised some time ago. This is priority numbe rone for them.

I would be delighted to see blending from them soon but let's not put unrealistic pressure on the guys.

For a triple blend you would want three projectors that are basically projecting while sitting on their sides, this would make for a roughly 2 to 1 image with a 10% overlap and with three 9" units would be a solution to display 4k if needed.

I would not want to do that, as it is more than is needed for most setups but those with really large screens (over 13 or 14 ft wide).

Oliver

It really wouldnt be a triple blend the one projector in the middle and further back would be using its entire raster in either 16:9 or 2.40:1 stacked on top of the two bledded units. maybe? no? yes?

hmmmmm:rolleyes:

Athanasios

It really wouldnt be a triple blend the one projector in the middle and further back would be using its entire raster in either 16:9 or 2.40:1 stacked on top of the two bledded units. maybe? no? yes?

hmmmmm:rolleyes:

Athanasios

NO - It does not work that way. You would destroy the resolution advantage of a blend by doing that.

Oliver

Bump! lets get some more intrest going here guys!

Although i think the poll is just about maxed out from the crt guys!

Athanasios

(I'm not hijacking this thread - but this is relevant to all potential blenders)

The latest from Pixel Magic re: Crystalio 2

We are working on a simple blending solution in C2. But please be reminded that all solutions require two C2, because a single C2 can't output two different videos. That's the hardware limitation.

Jason