http://www.gaming-age.com/news/2007/5/23-52

Latest PLAYSTATION 3 Firmware Update Provides PlayStation, PlayStation 2 and DVD Upscaling Remote Play on PSP (PlayStation Portable) via the Internet and DLNA transfer of media content also enabled

Sony Computer Entertainment Europe (SCEE) announced today availability of the latest version of the PLAYSTATION 3 (PS3) firmware. Version 1.80 features upscaling of PlayStation and PlayStation 2 games, and DVD movies up to full 1080p HD resolution when viewed on a compatible HD TV set.

The capability to upscale DVDs to HD quality is a feature normally only associated with top range DVD players, and its inclusion in the latest firmware upgrade now allows PS3 owners with an existing DVD collection to dramatically enhance the viewing pleasure of their DVD collection when viewed through a compatible HD TV set1. Not only can DVD movies be enhanced to full 1080p HD quality but so too will PlayStation 2 and PlayStation games be upscaled to provide much improved gaming pleasure.

In a comprehensive update to PS3’s already impressive capabilities, Version 1.80 also allows users to enjoy Remote Play on their PSP across the internet, allowing them to access their PS3 anywhere in the world where a broadband internet connection is available2.

Version 1.80 also allows users on a home network to seamlessly view and play rich media content such as images, music and video on their PS3, that is stored on their DLNA3 enabled devices such as PCs and laptops elsewhere in the house, reinforcing PS3’s credentials as a home entertainment hub that truly deserves pride of place in the Living Room.

A host of other enhancements include the ability to print photo images stored on PS3’s hard disk or inserted storage media to a selection of Epson printers.

PS3 owners will be able to upgrade their PS3 with the latest Version 1.80 firmware from 24th May 2007.

Cool, hope this pans out. I thought they were jumping right to 2.0 next? I wonder if that's still in the works for June....

Version 1.80 also allows users on a home network to seamlessly view and play rich media content such as images, music and video on their PS3, that is stored on their DLNA3 enabled devices such as PCs and laptops elsewhere in the house, reinforcing PS3’s credentials as a home entertainment hub that truly deserves pride of place in the Living Room.


What does this mean? Stream media from our PC's????


Doubt it. I am skeptical of this whole update. But let's hope it's true.

wow...it upscale dvd and ps1 and ps2 games to 1080p. hopefullly this will resolve the infamous flickering problem with the westinghouse hdtv.

I'm keeping my fingers crossed for getting a more "PC style" folder structure. That's the only thing keeping me from putting all my music and pictures on PS3.

*waits patiently*

wow...it upscale dvd and ps1 and ps2 games to 1080p. hopefullly this will resolve the infamous flickering problem with the westinghouse hdtv.

What does upscaling have to do with HDCP handshake?

It's not April 1st, so this seems like a lame joke.


EDIT:

WOW, it's a well executed joke if it is. It's all over the net now. But I checked all the forums and didn't see a word about it after I read the post here!!! Way to go TWINTURBOJOSH. You got the news posted to AVSForum first. VERY COOL!!!

Nice update! PSP over the interwebs!

wow...it upscale dvd and ps1 and ps2 games to 1080p. hopefullly this will resolve the infamous flickering problem with the westinghouse hdtv.


Shouldn't you be bugging Westinghouse about this problem? Since there are plenty of brands of HDTVs that work without incident with the PS3, it seems logical to me that the fault lies with Westinghouse--not Sony.

I wouldn't hold your breath for Sony to address or fix this problem with a specific brand of TV.

Yet another FAKE!

I still want to know if there are any consequences for those of us with launch systems with the Emotion engine. In the past, it has been implied that upscaling would only be possible on the newer systems that do the emulation.

I still want to know if there are any consequences for those of us with launch systems with the Emotion engine. In the past, it has been implied that upscaling would only be possible on the newer systems that do the emulation.

Why would you think that? Emulation is software based. Shouldn't be a problem.

Yet another FAKE!

Negative.

What does upscaling have to do with HDCP handshake?

When the resolution changes the handshake happens again, you then have to switch sources or reboot the tv, etc.

I used a new receiver to get around the issue, been working great since.

The firmware announcement is listed on SCEE site:

http://www.scee.presscentre.com/

EDIT: Link to article: http://www.scee.presscentre.com/Content/Detail.asp?ReleaseID=4372&NewsAreaID=2

I thought software updates came out on wednesday. and the store update on thursday. So if i understand this (and believe it) There will be a Big store update tomorrow. along with the warhawk beta download AND a firmware update to boot... Seems to good to be true.

Why would you think that? Emulation is software based. Shouldn't be a problem.

Agreed, it would just bypass the old hardware and do it on the cell/rsx.

awesome news

Shouldn't you be bugging Westinghouse about this problem? Since there are plenty of brands of HDTVs that work without incident with the PS3, it seems logical to me that the fault lies with Westinghouse--not Sony.

I wouldn't hold your breath for Sony to address or fix this problem with a specific brand of TV.

Sony would need to work with Westinghouse, and HDCP issues happen with the PS3 and other devices as well, the Onkyo 604 for example.

Sony would need to work with Westinghouse, and HDCP issues happen with the PS3 and other devices as well, the Onkyo 604 for example.

I also believe I have heard the problem with other major HDTV's also. I can't remember the names and brands off hand but a quick search I am sure would yeild them.

Sony would need to work with Westinghouse, and HDCP issues happen with the PS3 and other devices as well, the Onkyo 604 for example.
See this I dont understand. If the HDMI and HDCP industry standards are implemented correctly by the Manuf's, Why would there need to be an issue of "fixing" the HDCP issue with certain brands or certain models within a brand? If it were truely a Sony and Westinghouse issue wouldnt the PS3 not work right with ANY of the Westy sets? Unless... something is different on the Westy side, because all the PS3 have the same HDMI/HDCP software in them.

Here's hoping the upscaling is a quality upscaling (i.e. better than the average TV)! I look forward to trying this out.

Anyone think it could possibly upscale older 720 games like Resistance or Motorstorm?

Here's hoping the upscaling is a quality upscaling (i.e. better than the average TV)! I look forward to trying this out.


Since it is being added 6 months after launch, I'm hoping they did a decent job of it.

Especially since I'll be able to remove my cheapie upscaling DVD player from my entertainment center and free up an HDMI slot for my cable box.

threespeech posted the news, so its most likely true.

sweet!

Anyone think it could possibly upscale older 720 games like Resistance or Motorstorm?

We shall see, but my guess is no. The upscale routine may utilize the cell (and/or other system assets) to achieve it's goals. It is likely that many PS3 games will need these assets for other purposes.

Its all over the net now...

Firmware 1.8!!! Yes

http://www.scee.presscentre.com/Content/Detail.asp?ReleaseID=4372&NewsAreaID=2

http://www.ps3fanboy.com/2007/05/23/firmware-1-80-to-include-1080p-upscaling-for-games-and-movies/

DLNA site!
http://www.dlna.org/en/consumer/home

Hopefully we will be able to play music and ps3 games or slideshows at the same time. nothings funner than rockin out to your own sondtrack.

So, does that mean PS2 games will fill the screen now?

And, won't look like a pixelated abortion?

The SCEE link pretty much seals it.

Anyone think it could possibly upscale older 720 games like Resistance or Motorstorm?
That would require a different form of upscaling. As AVBill pointed out, the upscaling method used for DVD, PS2, and PS1 games utilizes software that makes use of the system's available resources (Cell, RSX, etc). PS3 games are a different matter, and you can't tamper with resources that weren't explicitly reserved in the TRCs. As such, PS3 games would need a universal (and complete) implementation of the hardware scaler that games such as VF5 and NGS use (partially) to scale. However, for games that don't support it natively, horizontal and vertical scaling would have to be enabled. Thereby, games would render in their native resolutions, and the PS3 would then scale that to the users desired resolution (unbeknownst the game itself, and without using any resources that the game uses or may use) using the hardware scaler. Exactly how the 360 handles scaling.

The SCEE link pretty much seals it.

This is an important note from the Sony site:

Notes

1. DVD-ROM (including DVD Video content) can only be upscaled with HDMI compatible TV sets.

This is an important note from the Sony site:

Notes

1. DVD-ROM (including DVD Video content) can only be upscaled with HDMI compatible TV sets.

This is demanded by the DVD Forum, is it not?

Yeya!

sweetness :D :D

what is this bit about being able to stream media from a PC over the network? Is it really going to be that easy now?

Forget about upscaling :D ...the real news is the DLNA3 support!!! I was this ---><--- close to selling my PS3 as I was beginning to think DLNA support would never get here.

I wonder if this will allow for WMV-HD streaming? They need to open up to more codecs than h.264 and MPEG-2

Forget about upscaling :D ...the real news is the DLNA3 support!!! I was this ---><--- close to selling my PS3 as I was beginning to think DLNA support would never get here.

For those of us that don't know, what is DLNA? And will this allow us to be able to stream ripped DVD's over out network to our PS3?

I don't know why people think this upscaling thing is such a big deal. The ps3 could always do this, it was just not activated for dvds. Play a mp4 movie and then switch screen modes from actual to normal. Notice how the actual screen res. is still 1080p but the movie now fills the screen. wow, scaling. no difference with dvd, when its implemented. Any semi-competent tv set can do the scaling itself. its not rocket-science.

what the update needs is folder sorting for videos and better sorting for music and playlists for both. And a way to turn off the music on the menubar for game previews (why god?).

so what does DLNA entail? DO I have to install something on my PC to make my shared drives accessible?

So let me get this right,after this update on Thursday my PS3,and PS2 games(Ressistance:FOM,Socom:CA,etc.),and all of my DVDs will be upconverted to 1080p? I guess I should get rid of my upconverting DVD player if this is true.

so what does DLNA entail? DO I have to install something on my PC to make my shared drives accessible?

http://techon.nikkeibp.co.jp/english/NEWS_EN/20070521/132856/

http://techon.nikkeibp.co.jp/english/NEWS_EN/20070521/132856/


so the PS3 can be used as a DMS using YDL.... what is this FW update from Sony going to give us? That functionality? :confused:

so what does DLNA entail? DO I have to install something on my PC to make my shared drives accessible?
The way I understand it (and thats admittedly not much) is DLNA is more of a certification than individual piece of software, for example my laptop is DLNA certified but pretty sure nothing on my PC is. Kind of a bummer.

http://www.dlna.org/en/consumer/experience/how/

so the PS3 can be used as a DMS using YDL.... what is this FW update from Sony going to give us? That functionality? :confused:
I hope thats not the case, YDL doesn't have access to RSX hardware acceleration atm, that would severely limit the resolution options for file playback.

--edit-- hmm maybe not, those screen shots look more like the PS3's interface than YDL, maybe this'll work out after all.

so the PS3 can be used as a DMS using YDL.... what is this FW update from Sony going to give us? That functionality? :confused:

No, I think the update will allow the PS3 to be used as a player at some point. I could care less about it being a server since all my content is on different PC HDDs.

I don't know why people think this upscaling thing is such a big deal. The ps3 could always do this, it was just not activated for dvds. Play a mp4 movie and then switch screen modes from actual to normal. Notice how the actual screen res. is still 1080p but the movie now fills the screen. wow, scaling. no difference with dvd, when its implemented. Any semi-competent tv set can do the scaling itself. its not rocket-science.

what the update needs is folder sorting for videos and better sorting for music and playlists for both. And a way to turn off the music on the menubar for game previews (why god?).

not all upscaling is created equal. Also interms of the games themselves it could entail the polys rerendered into the higher size. but we will see tomorrow.

I don't know why people think this upscaling thing is such a big deal. The ps3 could always do this, it was just not activated for dvds. Play a mp4 movie and then switch screen modes from actual to normal. Notice how the actual screen res. is still 1080p but the movie now fills the screen. wow, scaling. no difference with dvd, when its implemented. Any semi-competent tv set can do the scaling itself. its not rocket-science.

what the update needs is folder sorting for videos and better sorting for music and playlists for both. And a way to turn off the music on the menubar for game previews (why god?).

The answer to your whine hasn't changed since you were complaining about it in January. Not all scalers are created equal. I fed dvds to my tv at 480p and the tv upscaled it to 1080p. Some movies (Star Wars Ep III, for example) looked great. Other movies looked like ass. Using an upscaling DVD player for the same movies looked better on my TV. The scaler for the DVD player did a better job than the tv scaler.

In most cases, an external upscaler will look better than the one in your television. it's not rocket science.

So let me get this right,after this update on Thursday my PS3,and PS2 games(Ressistance:FOM,Socom:CA,etc.),and all of my DVDs will be upconverted to 1080p? I guess I should get rid of my upconverting DVD player if this is true.

There was absolutely no mention of PS3 games. I offered a potential (and likely) explanation above. Secondly, your upconverting DVD player may do a better job of scaling DVDs than the PS3. If I were you, I would see which device (your PS3, your DVD player, or your Display) does the best job of scaling DVDs and then decide what to do.

the ps3 is about to impress my wife again, sweet

Sounds too good to be true.

No, I think the update will allow the PS3 to be used as a player at some point. I could care less about it being a server since all my content is on different PC HDDs.


exactly... My PC is certainly not DLNA certified... whatever that means... all I want to be able to do is access a shared drive on that PC over the network... whether that requires installing some software on the PC to make the drive visible or not, is fine by me.

I hope the upscaling for DVDs is on par with say.... an Oppo, that way I'll save $200 allowing me to justify my PS3 purchase that much more! I must be the only person on these forums with a 1080p display, but no upscaling DVD player of any kind.

Here's to hoping upscaled PS1 and PS2 games look like those test pictures people were posting in the forums months ago using FF12 and Twisted Metal. It would make waiting for the big hit PS3 titles so much easier.

In most cases, an external upscaler will look better than the one in your television. it's not rocket science.

there is no basis for that statement. most cases? what cases? Scaling is a really simple operation. I don't believe the ps3 will do it any better than anything else.

I'm not complaining about it being there. Thats fine. But people are acting like its the second coming or something.

I hope the upscaling for DVDs is on par with say.... an Oppo, that way I'll save $200 allowing me to justify my PS3 purchase that much more! I must be the only person on these forums with a 1080p display, but no upscaling DVD player of any kind.

Nope. I don't have an upscaling DVD player either and I own a 1080P set. I had one at one time but sold it because I didn't have the room for both the PS3 and the upscaling DVD player in my entertainment center.

I hope the upscaling for DVDs is on par with say.... an Oppo, that way I'll save $200 allowing me to justify my PS3 purchase that much more! I must be the only person on these forums with a 1080p display, but no upscaling DVD player of any kind.

Here's to hoping upscaled PS1 and PS2 games look like those test pictures people were posting in the forums months ago using FF12 and Twisted Metal. It would make waiting for the big hit PS3 titles so much easier.

No upscalling DVD player here either. I also have a 1080P HDTV. Hoping the scalling is also upto par with Oppo. I bought FF12 the day it came out but it looks to horrid on my display. I have been waiting for this scalling so I can play it without it being an eyesore.

I wonder if this will allow for WMV-HD streaming? They need to open up to more codecs than h.264 and MPEG-2

Wanna pay the royalties to Microsoft for them?

there is no basis for that statement. most cases? what cases? Scaling is a really simple operation. I don't believe the ps3 will do it any better than anything else.

I'm not complaining about it being there. Thats fine. But people are acting like its the second coming or something.

Alright, in my case (the only one I'm truly invested in), my current upscaling dvd player works a lot better than the upscaler in my tv (which tends to make everything way too soft). If the Ps3 upscaling works as well as the DVD upscaler, then I can remove said DVD player from my entertainment center which frees up an HDMI port on the TV and an optical audio input on my Receiver. This will allow me to move my HD-DVD from component to HDMI, and add my PS2 via component and the freed optical input so I can finally play GH2 in it's full glory without having to rearrange everything every time I get the need to rock.

So, yeah--I'm very pleased about this. Sue me. :D

This is an important note from the Sony site:

Notes

1. DVD-ROM (including DVD Video content) can only be upscaled with HDMI compatible TV sets.
Does this mean that those of us who have the PS3 hooked up via HD Component Cables won't be able to upscale our DVDs?

Does this mean that those of us who have the PS3 hooked up via HD Component Cables won't be able to upscale our DVDs?

Thats what it seems to state. However we shall have to wait and see if tomorrow brings the said update.

Does this mean that those of us who have the PS3 hooked up via HD Component Cables won't be able to upscale our DVDs?

More than likely.. yes thats what it means. Most stand alone Upscaling DVDs only upscale via HDMI.. if you use component. you are capped at 480p. even if it is an upscaling DVD player.

Does this mean that those of us who have the PS3 hooked up via HD Component Cables won't be able to upscale our DVDs?


this is what the DVD producing studios mandated... so its not like the PS3 cant do it... it just wont be allowed to.

Geez, this thread is flying!

Why aren't more people discussing whether or not it will now enable streaming media from our PC's?

Does anyone know if this will be made possible?

Why aren't more people discussing whether or not it will now enable streaming media from our PC's?

Does anyone know if this will be made possible?


I personally don't care for streaming stuff off my computer. If I wanted to watch it I would just watch it on my computer. Thats just me however. ;)

Does this mean that those of us who have the PS3 hooked up via HD Component Cables won't be able to upscale our DVDs?

No you won't. That is how all upscaling DVD players work. You can not do upscaled DVDs over component. I think it is something the movie studios require or something weird.

More than likely.. yes thats what it means. Most stand alone Upscaling DVDs only upscale via HDMI.. if you use component. you are capped at 480p. even if it is an upscaling DVD player.Looks like bestbuy is getting another $80 bucks from me or however much it will cost. I was having severe handshake problems with my Comcast DVR and my TV when using HDMI, hopefully the PS3 won't have that same problem.

Another question....
Anyone need a used set of PS3 HD Component cables?

there is no basis for that statement. most cases? what cases? Scaling is a really simple operation. I don't believe the ps3 will do it any better than anything else.

I'm not complaining about it being there. Thats fine. But people are acting like its the second coming or something.


Right now I use a modded xbox as my upscaling DVD player because it does a better job than the scaler in my TV. I hope the PS3 will do a better job than what I am using now and the PS2 upscaling will be great because I play lots of PS2 games right now (Snake Eater at the moment) and 480i games look real fuzzy on my 1080p TV.

monoprice.com is your friend...

Right now I use a modded xbox as my upscaling DVD player because it does a better job than the scaler in my TV. I hope the PS3 will do a better job than what I am using now and the PS2 upscaling will be great because I play lots of PS2 games right now (Snake Eater at the moment) and 480i games look real fuzzy on my 1080p TV.

I completely agree. The PS2 games are too much of an eyesore for me to play. I can't wait until tomorrow. I hope we are not dissapointed! *crosses fingers*

This is WONDERFUL news for the PS3 camp!

I do have one worry though...why does it only mention upscaling to 1080p? Is it safe to assume that those of us with only 720p/1080i sets will also be able to upconvert? SURELY 1080p won't be the only supported rejolution...will it?

Looks like bestbuy is getting another $80 bucks from me or however much it will cost. I was having severe handshake problems with my Comcast DVR and my TV when using HDMI, hopefully the PS3 won't have that same problem.

Another question....
Anyone need a used set of PS3 HD Component cables?

go to monoprice my friend

Looks like bestbuy is getting another $80 bucks from me or however much it will cost. I was having severe handshake problems with my Comcast DVR and my TV when using HDMI, hopefully the PS3 won't have that same problem.

Another question....
Anyone need a used set of PS3 HD Component cables?
$80? :eek: Try one of these instead: http://www.monoprice.com/products/subdepartment.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10240&style=

lol@the instant knee jerk monoprice reaction

$80? :eek: Try one of these instead: http://www.monoprice.com/products/subdepartment.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10240&style=thanks!

This is WONDERFUL news for the PS3 camp!

I do have one worry though...why does it only mention upscaling to 1080p? Is it safe to assume that those of us with only 720p/1080i sets will also be able to upconvert? SURELY 1080p won't be the only supported rejolution...will it?
From what I've seen 1080i & p go hand in hand so you shouldn't worry

Looks like bestbuy is getting another $80 bucks from me or however much it will cost. I was having severe handshake problems with my Comcast DVR and my TV when using HDMI, hopefully the PS3 won't have that same problem.

Another question....
Anyone need a used set of PS3 HD Component cables?

If it's a Westinghouse....chances are you will have major problems. I had to return my Westinghouse and get a Sony. Westinghouse has totally munged the handshake process and won't live up to their mistake. My DVR, upscaling DVD player nor my PS3 would work with that Set. The insurance company JUNKED it. Gave me back all my money as a best buy voucher and I got a Sony Bravia with it.

Looks like bestbuy is getting another $80 bucks from me or however much it will cost. I was having severe handshake problems with my Comcast DVR and my TV when using HDMI, hopefully the PS3 won't have that same problem.

Another question....
Anyone need a used set of PS3 HD Component cables?
80 bucks...for what??!:o

The capability to upscale DVDs to HD quality is a feature normally only associated with top range DVD players,

Great update, but this line cracked me up. My $70 player upscales. Doesn't do the best job, but it does upscale.
Gotta make it sound like there's a reason it didn't do this from the beginning.

I have several .ts files of HD movies from my DVR that I would love to stream to the PS3. I wonder what I will have to do now that the PS3 streams media. I need to start setting up this DLNA thing. I hope there is no DRM issues to deal with. Since it's in home use their shouldn't be.

Just tried to download the update. Nothing yet.

I'm guessing 8pm Eastern tonight is the magic time.

Anyone know when the last update was first available?

Some info I was able to get from the DLNA web page.

It looks like the web server for this page is getting pummeled. Pages are slow to load or don't load at all.







How DLNA Works

More and more new consumer electronic devices, PCs and mobile handsets are starting to follow the DLNA guidelines for sharing multimedia. Although these advanced devices already have Wi-Fi™, Bluetooth®, HDTV, and so on built in; installing and sharing multimedia content among these devices can still be difficult. With DLNA devices it becomes easy to share music photos and videos anywhere in your home.

You will need a home network to start enjoying the benefits of DLNA. From there you have a lot of freedom and opportunity, including connecting to existing TVs and other legacy entertainment devices. The basic building blocks you need are digital media servers for acquiring and storing your digital media content and digital media players for playback and rendering.
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Here are some examples of how you might use DLNA technology in your home:
[Usage Example 1] Listen to music stored in your PC through your audio system.

Do you have a PC loaded with music you’ve collected? Use DLNA technology to listen to favorites on your high-end audio system and multiply your enjoyment.
Listen to music stored in your PC through your audio system.
[Usage Example 2] View family videos stored in your PC using any TV, located anywhere in your home.

All that time spent editing and you still haven’t shared last year’s vacation videos with the rest of the family? Use DLNA technology to allow everyone to enjoy them together on your big-screen TV.
View family videos stored in your PC using any TV, located anywhere in your home.
[Usage Example 3] Watch video content from your personal video recorder on your laptop PC located in another room.

Getting farther behind on your favorite TV shows? Start catching up with DLNA and use wireless technology to watch them on your laptop PC anytime, from anywhere in your home.
Watch video content from your personal video recorder on your laptop PC located in another room.
[Usage Example 4] Create a slide show from the photo files on your PC and view them on TV.

Do you use a digital camera? Do you have more unseen photos stored in your PC than Getty Images has in their whole collection? Start enjoying your prized photos! Use DLNA technology to quickly and easily view them as you relax in front of your big-screen TV.
Create a slide show from the photo files on your PC and view them on TV.
[Usage Example 5] Use older TVs on your DLNA home network.

Do you have an older TV with good picture quality that was made before the digital age? Chances are you will be able to use it on your digital home network. DLNA technology enables the use of a digital media adapter between your DLNA home network and your older TV, allowing you to watch digital movies and videos.
Use older TVs on your DLNA home network.
[Usage Example 6] Watch movies recorded on your digital video recorder (DVR) using multiple TVs located throughout your home.

Do you have TVs throughout your home? Would you like to be able to watch the movie you just recorded on the bedroom TV, or maybe the Kitchen TV? How about on the family room TV? Almost anywhere is possible if you use DLNA technology to network all your TVs to the DVR.

I hope this upscales DVDs to 720p.

I also hope this allows BD playback @ 720p.

"upscaling of PlayStation® and PlayStation 2 games, and DVD movies up to full 1080p HD resolution when viewed on a compatible HD TV set."

They didn't mention all PS3 games being upscaled to 1080p. Do you think this will happen?

Why aren't more people discussing whether or not it will now enable streaming media from our PC's?

Does anyone know if this will be made possible?

It will be possible. DLNA means a piece of software needs to run on the device sharing the media files (videos, music, pictures). There are already NAS units out there which have such a DLNA server built in (Buffalo Home Server, i.e.).

Even Windows Media Connect or Windows Media Player 11 have this functionality and therefor will hopefully work with the PS3 as well. There are commercial and open-source media servers available for various platforms (win, mac, linux, ..) so there is no need to buy a "certified" pc as long as the media server software is DLNA or maybe even only UPnP (AV) certified

DLNA requires the devices to be UPnP (Universal Plug and Play) certified so i guess transcoding media serves (like fuppes) should work with the PS3 as well. which would enable any codec we want as long as the server is powerful enought to transcode it.

Why aren't more people discussing whether or not it will now enable streaming media from our PC's?

Does anyone know if this will be made possible?

yes, it should be possible to stream from your pc. you may need to install some software to make your files available. wikipedia has a list of software.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Upnp#UPnP_AV_MediaServers

of course the ps3 will still need to support whatever codecs you are using for your files.

yes, it should be possible to stream from your pc. you may need to install some software to make your files available. wikipedia has a list of software.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Upnp#UPnP_AV_MediaServers

of course the ps3 will still need to support whatever codecs you are using for your files.

Some Media Servers will also transcode the media (into another, more usable, format) before streaming it. That way, the client doesn't need to support a wide range of codecs, the server just needs to be able to transcode them.

Give Sony Props for this one... any time the community kneejerks with a "No Way -- Awesome!" response, they have done something good.

I didnt expect these features this quickly myself.

So do we know which codecs its will support? Divx perhaps?? :D

Just tried to download the update. Nothing yet.

I'm guessing 8pm tonight is the majic time.

Anyone know when the last update was first available?

It is suppose to be released tomorrow, not today.

pardon my ignorance, but does it mean that I will be able to access some shared drive I have on my home PC from my PS3 and for exemple stream some video files to my Tv?

That would ROCK i was considering building an HTPC for that but if i can play video files with the PS3 that would be perfect.

oh and h264=x264 or different thing?

pardon my ignorance, but does it mean that I will be able to access some shared drive I have on my home PC from my PS3 and for exemple stream some video files to my Tv?


Whether or not your drive is shared is irrelevant. You may need extra software to export your media to DLNA devices. Then, yes, you should be able to stream file from the ps3.

see -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Upnp#UPnP_AV_MediaServers

What about "stream ripped DVD's" is it possible?

Can somebody test it? Please.

DVD upscaling is definitely great news..

As far as the DLNA stuff.. I'll have to wait to see how that actually works before I can get excited about it.. I've honestly never heard of it..

What about "stream ripped DVD's" is it possible?

Can somebody test it? Please.

The update isn't even out yet. The topic says "tomorrow". I am sure there will be a lot of testing tomorrow with responses that is if it is released tomorrow as promised.

Does this update include any of the rumored updates from last time, such as Blu-ray ratio and wallpaper?

Or was that all bull crap.

will it be up midnight tonight... i wonder?

Does this update include any of the rumored updates from last time, such as Blu-ray ratio and wallpaper?

Or was that all bull crap.

Nope, those rumors were that rumors and speculation. Check the first post for details and SCEE.com has it listed on their site what is being added also.

I'm hedging my bets on 8PM Eastern. The press release was from Sony London and everything I've read so far relates to London. So I'm thinking Midnight London time. But it would help to find out when the last release was first available.?

Anyone know?

About time this finally came up.

However, I'm still worried about the PS1/PS2 upscaling. Is it going to just increase the resolution? Or is it going to actually add in basic software emulation enchancements like Anti Aliasing and Super 2x SaI.

Additionally, will the upscaling fix the underscan issues most PS1 and PS2 games have on lcd screens?

Sweet update! Tomorrow's going to be a busy day on the PSN.

About time this finally came up.

However, I'm still worried about the PS1/PS2 upscaling. Is it going to just increase the resolution? Or is it going to actually add in basic software emulation enchancements like Anti Aliasing and Super 2x SaI.

Additionally, will the upscaling fix the underscan issues most PS1 and PS2 games have on lcd screens?


I believe they said it would more then just upscaling for PS and PS2 games. We will have to wait and see I suppose. *still keeping fingers crossed*

Nope, those rumors were that rumors and speculation. Check the first post for details and SCEE.com has it listed on their site what is being added also.
I think there might be more validity to those rumors than we think. The original 2.0 update rumor (before it had muted from different media sources) had absolutely none of the features that are in the 1.8 update. If someone was going to make a false "wish-list" update, a week before 1.8 was even announced, it would have to be an extremely large coincidence for them to leave out the big stuff included in 1.8. I think someone may have an advanced look at SCE's firmware roadmap. That, or Sony has some damn good viral marketers (and this is their way of sharing their roadmap, as Phil said he would like to do).

Streaming my music, videos, and pics from my pc to my 360 has been a HUGE part of hcw I've used my 360. My 360 stays on several hours out of the day just streaming music to my living room. Streaming pics to your HDTV is a wonderful way to share them with guests over. And ripping my dvd collection to my pc and having them all at my immediate disposal has become a necessity.

Honestly, the fact that the PS3 has completely lacked this feature and that the 360 has had it since its launch has been one of the biggest reasons I've always recommended the 360 way over the PS3 to my friends. If sony can actually pull this off and make the interface functional and intuitive then this will be HUGE for the PS3. Those of you who do not also own a 360 will (hopefully) soon see what the 360 camp has loved for so long.

Way to go Sony :)....my faith in you is steadily coming back

I am impressed that something as significant as upscaling wasn't held off until the 2.0 update.

But I still think there's a wallpaper conspiracy at Sony.

excuse my ignorance,

I thought upscaling could only go to 1080i?

If a normal dvd can upscale to 1080p, what is the picture quality difference between that and a bluray disk? I assume audio isn't nearly as good?

Why the hell did I just sell 40 of my best DVD's?

Man I hope this is correct! I've been wanting media streaming or at least access to my desktop files wirelessly for ever.

But I still think there's a wallpaper conspiracy at Sony. :) I'd forgotten about the backgrounds. There's always a chance a few more features will be slipped in with 1.8.

Because 480i scaled up to 1080p/i cannot possibly compete with an HD disc unless it was mastered through incompetence.

I mean, look at the new POTC Blu-ray releases...the DVDs could never touch those.

Sorry for a subject that's probably been beat like a dead horse, but I'm planning on buying a 40 inch bravia 1080p this weekend. My question is,(coming from an xbox 360 Elite.) How does the PS3 handle 720p games such as motorstorm on a 1080p set? I assume it DOES NOT upconvert 720p games to 1080p like my Elite does? So do you have to Enable 720p and 1080p on the playstation 3 and then the correct resolution is selected based on the game? Or, can you just select 1080p in the PS3 and the game automatically reverts to 720p if that's what the games native resolution is? Thanks!!

About time this finally came up.

However, I'm still worried about the PS1/PS2 upscaling. Is it going to just increase the resolution? Or is it going to actually add in basic software emulation enchancements like Anti Aliasing and Super 2x SaI.

Additionally, will the upscaling fix the underscan issues most PS1 and PS2 games have on lcd screens?

I don't really have high hopes for it, my projector does pretty good upscaling on it's own. I set GT4 to 1080 (i or p? can't remember) and the projector switched to 1080 resolution, which I didn't even know was possible with ps2 games on the ps3, but I couldn't tell the difference to 480p, so I'm guessing the ps2 upscaling for other games will do the same thing. On TV's with poor upscaling it will probably make a difference, but if your tv has decent upscaling I doubt you'll see anything (unless they add AA or something like that, which I kind of doubt).

This official 1.8 release is better then the so called "2.0 release", lol.

Sorry for a subject that's probably been beat like a dead horse, but I'm planning on buying a 40 inch bravia 1080p this weekend. My question is,(coming from an xbox 360 Elite.) How does the PS3 handle 720p games such as motorstorm on a 1080p set? I assume it DOES NOT upconvert 720p games to 1080p like my Elite does? So do you have to Enable 720p and 1080p on the playstation 3 and then the correct resolution is selected based on the game? Or, can you just select 1080p in the PS3 and the game automatically reverts to 720p if that's what the games native resolution is? Thanks!!

You'll select all of the resolutions your TV supports, and the games will output at the highest resolution available (that you selected) that its engine can render at. In other words, you'll select everything, and 1080p native games will output 1080p, 720p native games will output at 720p and so on.

Well, if this DLNA streaming thing is any good, it may push me to getting a PS3.

Right now I'm using XBMC on my original XBox (not 360), which is awesome. However, it can't handle HD resolutions.

Anyone know what it takes to create a DLNA server? Right now my file server is running Linux, but I'd be happy to switch it to Windows if that's what is needed.

MythTV should work for Linux. There are other programs as well, see the above wiki for a list.

However, I'm still worried about the PS1/PS2 upscaling. Is it going to just increase the resolution? Or is it going to actually add in basic software emulation enchancements like Anti Aliasing and Super 2x SaI.

Additionally, will the upscaling fix the underscan issues most PS1 and PS2 games have on lcd screens?

I want to know this NOW. I also have an LCD HDTV and HDMI connected to my PS3. I PRAY TO ZEUS HIMSELF hoping that PS1 games will look great on my TV.

MythTV should work for Linux. There are other programs as well, see the above wiki for a list.

So UPnP AV == DLNA? So the DLNA client on the PS3 won't need to have a "DLNA Certified" server, but any UPnP AV server should work?

This update should rock. Looks like everything I've been waiting for in a firmware update.

I am just wondering if we'll be able to switch between hardware upscaling and software upscaling. I'd like a choice...that is the reason I bought a PS3 with the Emotion Engine. So I could have 99% compatibility.

So UPnP AV == DLNA? So the DLNA client on the PS3 won't need to have a "DLNA Certified" server, but any UPnP AV server should work?

Found something useful, if the PS3 requires a DLNA Certified server:

http://www.twonkyvision.com/Products/TwonkyMedia/index.html

Only $40.

Now, anyone know what codecs the PS3 will support with this? All my DVD rips are encoded in Xvid, and it would suck to have to start over.

I don't really have high hopes for it, my projector does pretty good upscaling on it's own. I set GT4 to 1080 (i or p? can't remember) and the projector switched to 1080 resolution, which I didn't even know was possible with ps2 games on the ps3, but I couldn't tell the difference to 480p, so I'm guessing the ps2 upscaling for other games will do the same thing. On TV's with poor upscaling it will probably make a difference, but if your tv has decent upscaling I doubt you'll see anything (unless they add AA or something like that, which I kind of doubt).I agree. I wouldn't get your hopes up for any dramatic improvement with PS1/2 games. I guess it depends on your TV though.

Found something useful, if the PS3 requires a DLNA Certified server:

http://www.twonkyvision.com/Products/TwonkyMedia/index.html

Only $40.

Now, anyone know what codecs the PS3 will support with this? All my DVD rips are encoded in Xvid, and it would suck to have to start over.


sweet... $40 is not bad... certainly cheaper than buying a NAS device...

I can finally put the 320 gigs worth of space on my desktop PCs to full use now :)

If a normal dvd can upscale to 1080p, what is the picture quality difference between that and a bluray disk?

Can you make something out of nothing?

An upscaled DVD doesn't turn it into a blu ray because it's being displayed at 1080p.

Let me put it simply for you.... a dvd upscaled to 1080p is maybe 5% better than playing at it without upsampling.

An upscaled DVD will never EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER come close to a good Blu-Ray. It's not even comparable. You can play a VHS through an upscaling reciever @ 1080p too but it will still look like VHS. DVD is no different. Blu-ray has 1920x1080 pixels of information, dvd has 720x480. When you upscale those pixels, it doesn't create any new information/detail.

See this I dont understand. If the HDMI and HDCP industry standards are implemented correctly by the Manuf's, Why would there need to be an issue of "fixing" the HDCP issue with certain brands or certain models within a brand? If it were truely a Sony and Westinghouse issue wouldnt the PS3 not work right with ANY of the Westy sets? Unless... something is different on the Westy side, because all the PS3 have the same HDMI/HDCP software in them.

I haven't read the HDMI/HDCP standard, but I've dealt with a lot of other standards written by committee. 99.9% of them are far from being exact specifications and tend to not only have holes in them but are subject to interpretation. In the end, inter-operation between devices has to be perfected by trial and error.

In this case, it's quite possible that both Sony and Westinghouse meet the standard. Someone at Sony or Westinghouse has to determine exactly what the problem is to see which device (or both) needs to be fixed. But since both sides can always blame the other and until someone looks at the problem it's tough to prove either way, the big problem is convincing one of them to actually look at it.

One word of warning about this new upscaling capability for DVDs:

You want to deinterlace the picture before you scale it. If your TV only accepts 1080i, then you will be scaling it first. Which means you may end up with a worse picture than if you output at 480p and let your TV scale it.

If your TV accepts 1080p, then you are set.

One word of warning about this new upscaling capability for DVDs:

You want to deinterlace the picture before you scale it. If your TV only accepts 1080i, then you will be scaling it first. Which means you may end up with a worse picture than if you output at 480p and let your TV scale it.

If your TV accepts 1080p, then you are set.


Whats stopping 720p playback?

"upscaling of PlayStation® and PlayStation 2 games, and DVD movies up to full 1080p HD resolution when viewed on a compatible HD TV set."

They didn't mention all PS3 games being upscaled to 1080p. Do you think this will happen?

I doubt it, what resources are left over to do upscaling when playing a PS3 game? If the scalrer is based on the Cell and not a dedicated chip then it can't be done. I'm really hoping for some nice looking PS2 games, but upscaling != filtering.

by tomorrow do they mean midnight tonight?

If your TV accepts 1080p, then you are set.

Then I am set! Awesome! :D

by tomorrow do they mean midnight tonight?

Today is right now and midnight would be tomorrow. I don't believe they have a set time for firmware updates so don't expect it at exaclty midnight your time. If it is slated for midnight my or whoevers time that'd be sweet!

by tomorrow do they mean midnight tonight?

Probably not, should be available tomorrow evening, imho.

Then I am set! Awesome! :D

I second that! :D

by tomorrow do they mean midnight tonight?


Usually all Thursday stuff (PSN updates) are in the evening on Thursdays.

Can you make something out of nothing?

An upscaled DVD doesn't turn it into a blu ray because it's being displayed at 1080p.

Let me put it simply for you.... a dvd upscaled to 1080p is maybe 5% better than playing at it without upsampling.

An upscaled DVD will never EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER come close to a good Blu-Ray. It's not even comparable. You can play a VHS through an upscaling reciever @ 1080p too but it will still look like VHS. DVD is no different. Blu-ray has 1920x1080 pixels of information, dvd has 720x480. When you upscale those pixels, it doesn't create any new information/detail.

Exactly, look at the BluRay Screenshot comparison thread, one of the best DVD upscaled (5th Element in DVD is a reference disc) don't even look close as the Blu-Ray version, witch is the Worst BluRay out there right now, it's so bad and people complained so much that SOny is issuing a Remastered this summer.. LOL

Want to see this go here

http://xylon.haloapplications.com/bluray/stargate/04/

wait until both image load than scrool with the mouse over the pic, this is DVD upscaled in 1080p vs The BluRay of the same movie.

Gah I just ran my component cables to my HD1000 a couple weeks ago. If this update comes out looking nice I may have to head to monoprice and pay for some more cables. This makes me happy and yet sad.

Connecting the PS3 to my Onkyo 674 via HDMI cable and then connecting my receiver to my HD1000 via HDMI should be fine right? Since my receiver upconverts all inputs through HDMI my receiver shouldn't mess with the upscaling from the PS3 correct?

Exactly, look at the BluRay Screenshot comparison thread, one of the best DVD upscaled (5th Element in DVD is a reference disc) don't even look close as the Blu-Ray version, witch is the Worst BluRay out there right now, it's so bad and people complained so much that SOny is issuing a Remastered this summer.. LOL

Want to see this go here

http://xylon.haloapplications.com/bluray/stargate/04/

wait until both image load than scrool with the mouse over the pic, this is DVD upscaled in 1080p vs The BluRay of the same movie.
thats awesome

Usually all Thursday stuff (PSN updates) are in the evening on Thursdays.
The update should be in the morning/early afternoon.Every PS3 update I did was available when I got home from work(3:30pm).The usual Thursday psn update will probably be seperate(usually around 7:00pm).

http://xylon.haloapplications.com/bluray/stargate/04/


That's an awesome application but unfortunately the worst screen shots possible. I'd like to see something like POTC done on that. Something where the blu-ray quality is actually something close to its potential. The Casino Royal ones would be good if the HD pictures would actually load.

Now, anyone know what codecs the PS3 will support with this? All my DVD rips are encoded in Xvid, and it would suck to have to start over.I don't think that Sony will support xvid / divx in the same way that M$ doesn't on the 360.

I think the best we can hope for is MP4, similar to the PSP video format, but we should at least be able to play high-def video.

All these questions??!!

So UPnP AV == DLNA?

Yes. Here is a bit from the wikipedia page:

UPnP AV stands for UPnP Audio and Video, and is a grouping within the UPnP standards supervised by the DLNA (Digital Living Network Alliance), (formely: Digital Home Working Group), which is a forum of vendors and manufacturers who work in the home entertainment industry, and offer a "DLNA CERTIFIED™" branding for those products which follow their Networked Device Interoperability Guidelines.

So the DLNA client on the PS3 won't need to have a "DLNA Certified" server, but any UPnP AV server should work?

I would think a lot of the free type stuff wouldn't bother getting certified. The important part would be properly supporting the protocol. But I did notice Sony said DLNA3, and I'm not sure what that "3" is all about. Anyone find info on that?

Update:someone pointed out on another forum that DLNA3 is really just referring to footnote 3. Makes sense!
http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=1010431&postcount=52

Do we know for sure that we are getting it in America tomorrow?

my 65 inch 1080p plasma is drooling already.

Can you make something out of nothing?

An upscaled DVD doesn't turn it into a blu ray because it's being displayed at 1080p.

Let me put it simply for you.... a dvd upscaled to 1080p is maybe 5% better than playing at it without upsampling.

An upscaled DVD will never EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER come close to a good Blu-Ray. It's not even comparable. You can play a VHS through an upscaling reciever @ 1080p too but it will still look like VHS. DVD is no different. Blu-ray has 1920x1080 pixels of information, dvd has 720x480. When you upscale those pixels, it doesn't create any new information/detail.

I keep repeating this to anyone who wants to hear it.

Alas, people believe it's magical.

Let's try again:

You have a $10 bill in your pocket. Is there a way to turn it into a $20 bill without opening your pocket?

No, there isn't.

Same principle applies to upscaling. There is no way to invent the data that does not exist on the disc.
Yes, you can use extrapolation/interpolation to stretch a frame to any size. But, all you get is a fuzzy frame that then needs to be sharpened. You lose color accuracy in the process.

But, again, I am wasting my time. The masses believe in upscaling anyway.

I keep repeating this to anyone who wants to hear it.

Alas, people believe it's magical.

Let's try again:

You have a $10 bill in your pocket. Is there a way to turn it into a $20 bill without opening your pocket?

No, there isn't.

Same principle applies to upscaling. There is no way to invent the data that does not exist on the disc.
Yes, you can use extrapolation/interpolation to stretch a frame to any size. But, all you get is a fuzzy frame that then needs to be sharpened. You lose color accuracy in the process.

But, again, I am wasting my time. The masses believe in upscaling anyway.

the issue is most of us have fixed pixel displays, and the display scales the content to its native res, with upscaling players doin a better job of the scaling, it'd look better with an upscaling player than w/o.

unfortunately not everyone understands "upscaling to 1080p" and "native 1080p".

Upscaling Games and Movies
SCEA is enhancing the PS3 user experience by enabling PlayStation and PlayStation 2 games to be upscaled to HD resolution, up to 1080p. Classic games as well as recently released titles can now be enjoyed like never before. And PS3 system now has the capability to upscale DVD videos to HD quality (up to 1080p), a feature typically limited to top-of-the-line DVD players. Upscaling games requires an HDMI or component AV cable, while upscaling DVD-ROM (including DVD Video content) requires an HDMI cable and HDMI compatible TV set.


FOSTER CITY, Calif., May 23, 2007 – Sony Computer Entertainment America (SCEA) today announced that the next regular system software update for the PLAYSTATION 3 (PS3) computer entertainment system (version 1.80) will be available on Thursday, May 24, and will add upscaling of PlayStation/PlayStation 2 games and DVD movies up to 1080p resolution. Now, in addition to displaying native high-definition (HD) content in the highest possible quality (1080p), PS3 system can turn standard definition content into a vibrant HD-quality experience.

So does that mean Final Fantasy 8 won't look like **** on my HDTV anymore?

UPDATE:

http://biz.gamedaily.com/industry/feature/?id=16252

SCEA has now confirmed that firmware 1.8 will be released tomorrow in North America as well. "As adoption of HDTVs continues to surge, we know that consumers are hungry for content, and this latest firmware update leverages the PS3's technology to deliver an HD-quality experience using the entertainment media already in your collection," said Peter Dille, senior vice president of marketing, SCEA. "In addition, we continue to enhance the PS3's capabilities as an entertainment hub, giving consumers the option to bring their content with them on-the-go, or to stream photos, videos, and music stored on their PC to the PS3 in their living room. That's often where the largest TV monitor and sound system is located, giving consumers the best possible entertainment experience."

It should be noted that upscaling of games is possible over component cables, while upscaling of DVD movies does require the HDMI connection. As for using the PSP to access media on your PS3, users will first need to update the PSP to firmware 3.50, which is slated to come out next week.

And finally, one other detail not mentioned in the European release is that users can now copy saved data from PlayStation or PlayStation 2 format software stored on their PS3 system to a Memory Card or Memory Card (8MB), using their PS3 system and a Memory Card Adaptor.

2 main points.
Upscaling for PSX/PS2 games via component!
And, transfering from PS3, to older memory cards, instead of just only the other way around.

the issue is most of us have fixed pixel displays, and the display scales the content to its native res, with upscaling players doin a better job of the scaling, it'd look better with an upscaling player than w/o.

unfortunately not everyone understands "upscaling to 1080p" and "native 1080p".

Got it. That sucks, now I know why people want so badly I guess. My DLP always stretches to fit so it hasn't been an issue for me. Honestly didn't even know they had displays that keep the native res. So does standard TV display as a liitle box in your big tv screen then? I'd actually prefer that for standard tv.

Nothing like watching a sports game on a 56" DLP on standard def TV.

UPDATE:

http://biz.gamedaily.com/industry/feature/?id=16252



2 main points.
Upscaling for PSX/PS2 games via component!
And, transfering from PS3, to older memory cards, instead of just only the other way around.

Sweet. I'm curious to see how the upscaling will work with the EE chip.

Jack Bauer: "DAMN IT! SOMEONE ANSWER MY QUESTION! BEFORE I START BREAKING FINGERS!"

I am being overly hopefull or will this correct the problem of not being able to see PS1/2 games over HDMI on JVC HD**F*97 TV's? If so mark me as a very happy man and get ready for a run on used PS1/2 games (at least for me anyway).

I am being overly hopefull or will this correct the problem of not being able to see PS1/2 games over HDMI on JVC HD**F*97 TV's? If so mark me as a very happy man and get ready for a run on used PS1/2 games (at least for me anyway).

I wouldnt be to hopeful about that. That particular issue has more to do with the way the resolution swapping happens and how the JVC handles it than anything else... it might be fixed, it might not. Best not to get your hopes up.

Jack Bauer: "DAMN IT! SOMEONE ANSWER MY QUESTION! BEFORE I START BREAKING FINGERS!"

It will probably still look like ****.

Well if the PS1 and PS2 games upscale via component cables I don't feel the need to buy HDMI yet.

Do we know for sure that we are getting it in America tomorrow?

Yes...it will be released in North America tomorrow....

[UPDATE] SCEA has now confirmed that firmware 1.8 will be released tomorrow in North America as well

Source: http://biz.gamedaily.com/industry/feature/?id=16252

-Alex-

It will probably still look like ****.

Maybe less like **** though. Especially if you have an lcd screen?

Hopefully we will be able to play music and ps3 games or slideshows at the same time. nothings funner than rockin out to your own sondtrack.
This is also whatt I want. It's a very underrated feature that I use quite often on the other console.

Well you can already play music during slideshows. But for games I think that's a performance issue with the XMB's memory footprint.

But for games I think that's a performance issue with the XMB's memory footprint.
I don't see how it should be. Hell the Xbox 1 could play custom soundtracks during games....that supported it. You would think by now this is just a given for most games to support.

Got it. That sucks, now I know why people want so badly I guess. My DLP always stretches to fit so it hasn't been an issue for me. Honestly didn't even know they had displays that keep the native res. So does standard TV display as a liitle box in your big tv screen then? I'd actually prefer that for standard tv.

Nothing like watching a sports game on a 56" DLP on standard def TV.

it will be stretched, u didnt understand what i said completely. what i'm trying to say is ppl prefer to use the scaler on stand-alones than having the tv do the scaling. a 480i material from standard def, 640x480, will be scaled by the tv to 1280x720 to fill the screen, but the tv doesnt do as a good of a job at this than a the avg upscaling dvd player.

if the ps3 can do the upscaling and do a good job at it, the tv will not have to do any scaling.

So does that mean Final Fantasy 8 won't look like **** on my HDTV anymore?

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e359/oddbodyAS2/ps3/ffvii1080.jpg

Seriously though, I guess they could do some kind of filtering but that's about it. Also to be fair that pic is full of jpeg artifacts.

Just remember for Upscalling you need HDMI for DVD's but you can use component for Games.

I keep repeating this to anyone who wants to hear it.

Alas, people believe it's magical.

Let's try again:

You have a $10 bill in your pocket. Is there a way to turn it into a $20 bill without opening your pocket?

No, there isn't.

Same principle applies to upscaling. There is no way to invent the data that does not exist on the disc.
Yes, you can use extrapolation/interpolation to stretch a frame to any size. But, all you get is a fuzzy frame that then needs to be sharpened. You lose color accuracy in the process.

But, again, I am wasting my time. The masses believe in upscaling anyway.


It all boils down to this. Upscaling a DVD to 1080P is like polishing a turd compared to a BD or HD-DVD. Does that mean I don't care about it, no but I'm not all 13yrold girl at a Brintey Spears concert wild about it. Im also glad Sony is ramping up delivering on what they said.

So PS1 and PS2 games will still be rendered at their original resolution and just upscaled to 1080p? I was hoping they actually render the games at a higher resolution like emulators do. The improvement would be more drastic.

Aren't most PS1/2 games going to be squished when they're upscaled to HD resolution since they don't have a widescreen mode?

I don't see how it should be. Hell the Xbox 1 could play custom soundtracks during games....that supported it. You would think by now this is just a given for most games to support.
The Xbox 1, the games that supported it simply read the audio from the HDD- with the 360, the system runs the music player in the background when ever the game music is playing.

I forgot about the XMB memory footprint. There's gotta be a workaround, though. Either that, or make every developer add the support for it.

The Xbox 1, the games that supported it simply read the audio from the HDD-
That's all I was expecting/hoping they would do.

Great, I just rented God of War II. I will hold off playing it until after the update.

Great, I just rented God of War II. I will hold off playing it until after the update.

I think there already is an ingame option to play that in HD...

I think there already is an ingame option to play that in HD...

It has 480p support out of the box.

It all boils down to this. Upscaling a DVD to 1080P is like polishing a turd compared to a BD or HD-DVD. Does that mean I don't care about it, no but I'm not all 13yrold girl at a Brintey Spears concert wild about it. Im also glad Sony is ramping up delivering on what they said.

I agree, but I'm still hoping it does a decent job in upscaling when I HAVE to watch dvd content.

Who knows, if FFXII & GOWII doesn't look too bad, I may go back and try play those games.

PS2 Games & DVD's always Looked good on a
Toshiba 65H82
;)

My girlfriend says "I'm a dork" and "stop hitting the update firmware button because it won't work yet no matter how often you check". Is it Thursday yet? .... It would be nice if the PS3 wouldn't take my 4:3 anime and shove it to my projector as 16:9. Damn them.

Why would you think that? Emulation is software based. Shouldn't be a problem.

Emulation in the first wave of North American PS3 were not software emulated they had the cimplete ps2 built inside them. There was talk about how the software emulating PS3's would only be able to get any benefit of thise so called upscaling and filtering since somehow the PS2 hardware could not be bypassed for some odd reason. Which doesn't make a whole lot of sense but I have seen crazier stupid things.

i couldn't care less about the upscaling but i have high hopes for the streaming media...if this works i can finally get rid of my D-Link DSM-520 HD media lounge!! :D

upscaling is a joke...its the same crap Fuji digital cameras did 5 years ago...interpolating 2.2 megapixel cameras and advertising them as 14 megapixel :eek: it just doesn't work that way!

Whats stopping 720p playback?Should output 720p, if it outputs 1080p. Remember there are more 720p FPDs than 1080p FPDs right now anyways.

Would be strange if Sony scaled to 1080p/1080i/480p only.

I'm wondering if this thing will fix the 1080i only- ps3 game and the 720p only - blu-ray movie issue?

Seriously though, I guess they could do some kind of filtering but that's about it. Also to be fair that pic is full of jpeg artifacts

Good god. That's what the game looks like on my tv.

Good god. That's what the game looks like on my tv.


Mine as well.

I was always running it on widescreen though.

I imagine it would look better if I ran it under non-wide (tv option).

But if I change the screen size to 4:3, it just looks weird and I feel like I'm not getting the complete picture.

I really am hoping with the new update, PS1 games will look better than what it does now. Not worried about PS2 games, though.

interesting to see where people's priorities are in terms of updates... seems like we have a nice even split amongst those who want scaling features and those who want media access features...

But if I change the screen size to 4:3, it just looks weird and I feel like I'm not getting the complete picture.

I really am hoping with the new update, PS1 games will look better than what it does now. Not worried about PS2 games, though.

I am amazed how people seem to think "scaling" is going to make a PS1 game look any better. It was a PS1 game, it was designed to look that way for the hardware it had. The in game algorithms are not going to change....

I haven't touched my PS3 in MONTHS. Last game I finished was GoW2. I would love to play a few old games from my collection, but they're unbearable to look at.

I am amazed how people seem to think "scaling" is going to make a PS1 game look any better. It was a PS1 game, it was designed to look that way for the hardware it had. The in game algorithms are not going to change....

I never said I want the graphics to improve. I like a lot of people just want the games to look good on our HDTVS. That's all.

Ok, great news that SD DVD is upscaled to 1080p :) But is there anything on 1080p/24 for Blu-ray playback?

Ok, great news that SD DVD is upscaled to 1080p :) But is there anything on 1080p/24 for Blu-ray playback?

1080p/24 has been mentioned in the other threads (blu-ray area) by the same person who made the first post here with information from his 'insider source'.

So, 1080p/24 and some other stuff is rumored to be included in this update. We will just have to wait and see.

You'll probably have to convert all your mp3 to Sony's proprietary ATRAC3 format.

You'll probably have to convert all your mp3 to Sony's proprietary ATRAC3 format.

i didn't even think of that :( ...that would suck!

i already stream Mp3's from my computer over my network with Tversity, and that works well so if we have to convert i will stay with Tversity...i just want sony to make a media lounge that is not proprietary, but if history teaches us anything it is that sony will do what they can to push their formats :mad:

I don't like burning out my PS3's insides helping useless doomed people, so I don't use Folding At Home.

Yikes.

1080p/24 has been mentioned in the other threads (blu-ray area) by the same person who made the first post here with information from his 'insider source'.

So, 1080p/24 and some other stuff is rumored to be included in this update. We will just have to wait and see.

99% Confirmed, check the menus:

http://www.ps3fanboy.com/2007/05/23/firmware-1-80-to-include-1080p-upscaling-for-games-and-movies/

The fact there are settings for DVD and game upscaling is promising. Let's see some pics of the settings screens!

I don't like burning out my PS3's insides helping useless doomed people, so I don't use Folding At Home.

Seeing as I've lost a number of loved ones to cancer (including my 13 month old nephew who died on Christmas day in 2002 after a long and heartbreaking battle with a inoperable brain tumor), I can't begin to tell you how angry this statement made me. I'd like to give you a few choice words, but that would mean stooping to your pathetic level. Welcome to my ignore list.

You'll probably have to convert all your mp3 to Sony's proprietary ATRAC3 format.

Uh... doesn't the PS3 already play mp3s on a memory stick or external HD?

It was sarcasm.

Well this just shows that Sony is working on some of the larger issues and all it takes is time. Kudos!!!

i couldn't care less about the upscaling but i have high hopes for the streaming media...if this works i can finally get rid of my D-Link DSM-520 HD media lounge!! :D

upscaling is a joke...its the same crap Fuji digital cameras did 5 years ago...interpolating 2.2 megapixel cameras and advertising them as 14 megapixel :eek: it just doesn't work that way!

False.

Upscaling of rendered 3d polygons will actually benefit from a true resolution increase. Look at HALO2 on the 360. It is actually rendered in 720p. You are suggesting games will be rendered in 480 and then displayed in a higher resolution.

Great, I just rented God of War II. I will hold off playing it until after the update.
I think there already is an ingame option to play that in HD...

Well *almost* HD... But yeah... Here's the trick. (http://cache.kotaku.com/assets/resources/2007/04/gowhdinstructions.jpg)

Is that GOWII link a joke? If it is, that is extrememly cruel.

False.

Upscaling of rendered 3d polygons will actually benefit from a true resolution increase. Look at HALO2 on the 360. It is actually rendered in 720p. You are suggesting games will be rendered in 480 and then displayed in a higher resolution.

Fact.

halo 2 may have been rendered in 720P but that is not the way Sony made their games...halo 2 was listed as an HD 480P. yes if the game was made to have higher resolution capabilities it will look better but you can't make something out of nothing...Sony had a lower quality video processor than the Xbox did so their games didn't have the higher quality video encoded in them :eek:

http://www.ps3fanboy.com/2007/05/23/firmware-1-80-to-include-1080p-upscaling-for-games-and-movies/

1080p 24Hz is in too ! (See the second screenshot).

http://www.ps3fanboy.com/2007/05/23/firmware-1-80-to-include-1080p-upscaling-for-games-and-movies/

1080p 24Hz is in too ! (See the second screenshot).
Good catch! Awesome!!!

Is that GOWII link a joke? If it is, that is extrememly cruel.

No, it's real...

They later explained why it didn't make it into the European version of the game... But that little trick really is in there.

http://www.ps3fanboy.com/2007/05/23/firmware-1-80-to-include-1080p-upscaling-for-games-and-movies/

1080p 24Hz is in too ! (See the second screenshot).

What's the significance of this? Is it for blu-ray movies only? Will my Sony KDS-60A2000 HDTV benefit? Sorry for the noob questions.

Yes it for BD's only and your TV has to support 24fps. I don't know if your model does I know only a few TV's do support this right now. The significance is that the BD's are originally encoded at 24fps but some player change that around, so being able to play it at 24fps gives you the experiece of the way the movie was originally coded.
someone else can probable explain better than me.

Seeing as I've lost a number of loved ones to cancer (including my 13 month old nephew who died on Christmas day in 2002 after a long and heartbreaking battle with a inoperable brain tumor), I can't begin to tell you how angry this statement made me. I'd like to give you a few choice words, but that would mean stooping to your pathetic level. Welcome to my ignore list.


Just for that, I'm going to start Folding@Home :)

Transfer PS1/2 save files from PS3 using Memory Card Adaptor. Previously, users could only transfer save files to the PS3. Now, gamers will be able to transfer data to and from the PS3.

Awesome. I was wondering if this was ever going to be done.

Seeing as I've lost a number of loved ones to cancer (including my 13 month old nephew who died on Christmas day in 2002 after a long and heartbreaking battle with a inoperable brain tumor), I can't begin to tell you how angry this statement made me. I'd like to give you a few choice words, but that would mean stooping to your pathetic level. Welcome to my ignore list.


I'm very sorry to hear that. I can only imagine how badly I would feel to lose a loved one in that way.

Seeing as I've lost a number of loved ones to cancer (including my 13 month old nephew who died on Christmas day in 2002 after a long and heartbreaking battle with a inoperable brain tumor), I can't begin to tell you how angry this statement made me. I'd like to give you a few choice words, but that would mean stooping to your pathetic level. Welcome to my ignore list.

My dad survived the operation. My PS3 is also folding, just in case.

Does anybody think this will be out at midnight pacific time? I think that's what happened when the last big update hit. People were waiting up all night and it came through around midnight in Cali.

Welcome to my ignore list.

Mine too!

I have slacked off on my folding but I will pick up the ball again.

Does anybody think this will be out at midnight pacific time? I think that's what happened when the last big update hit. People were waiting up all night and it came through around midnight in Cali.
I think it was more like 3am PST

http://www.ps3fanboy.com/2007/05/23/firmware-1-80-to-include-1080p-upscaling-for-games-and-movies/

1080p 24Hz is in too ! (See the second screenshot).

Second screenshot doesn't lie. Excellent.

AWESOME NEWS!!!

This makes my next HDTV very happy!

False.

Upscaling of rendered 3d polygons will actually benefit from a true resolution increase. Look at HALO2 on the 360. It is actually rendered in 720p. You are suggesting games will be rendered in 480 and then displayed in a higher resolution.As far as I know you can't just make all games render in a higher resolution with an update. There are many different game engines that have their own features and ways of rendering.

Halo 2 was a special case as was mentioned. There was a some kind of patch specifically for it included in backwards compatibility update. Either that or the functionality was already bulit into the game.

http://www.ps3fanboy.com/2007/05/23/firmware-1-80-to-include-1080p-upscaling-for-games-and-movies/

1080p 24Hz is in too ! (See the second screenshot).
:eek: I see PS/PS2 Upscaler and PS/PS2 Smoothing settings. VERY NICE!

As of 9PM Eastern Time..

No UPDATE available.

I'm gonna go to bed. So much for my 8pm bet.

I think it was more like 3am PST


IIRC it hit 10PM HST or 12AM PST

NOT 100% sure though

I wonder if the 24fps on blu-ray will work with my optoma hd70 which supposedly only works with 48hz??

I tried some custom refresh rates on my Optoma : it did not like them. Doesn't any multiple of 24 work correctly (though 24 is probably best)?

I tried some custom refresh rates on my Optoma : it did not like them. Doesn't any multiple of 24 work correctly (though 24 is probably best)?


supposedly it works with 43hz to 72hz, but downsamples 72hz to 60hz and displays 48hz natively. I have my pc set to 1280x720 at 47.952 and it sure seems less jerky.

What does the "PS/PS2 smoothing" do?

What does the "PS/PS2 smoothing" do?
They make the games look smoother? :D

Originally Posted by Mattardo
I don't like burning out my PS3's insides helping useless doomed people, so I don't use Folding At Home.



Seeing as I've lost a number of loved ones to cancer (including my 13 month old nephew who died on Christmas day in 2002 after a long and heartbreaking battle with a inoperable brain tumor), I can't begin to tell you how angry this statement made me. I'd like to give you a few choice words, but that would mean stooping to your pathetic level. Welcome to my ignore list.

I would also like to say that statement is uncalled for..and tells you what people are only thinking of themselves. I hope that he someday doesn't have a loved one.. or himself ...stricken with the these terrible cancers..maybe then ..he will realize how wrong that statement is.

I see PS/PS2 Upscaler and PS/PS2 Smoothing settings. VERY NICE!

This makes me even more happy with my PS1 games and my HDTV.

Well, I finally got VLC to work, and now I am completly stoked with PS3. This firmware update should address all the issues, and then from there we will go.

VLC supports UPnP? hmmm... I have it on my macbook pro... I should check it out

Originally Posted by Mattardo
I don't like burning out my PS3's insides helping useless doomed people, so I don't use Folding At Home.



I hope that he someday doesn't have a loved one.. or himself ...stricken with the these terrible cancers..maybe then ..he will realize how wrong that statement is.

If he did, I doubt he'd be worried about his Optima's custom refresh rates. :rolleyes:

Seriously, some of you people have a problem with thinking out loud. Have some respect.

Here's a nother link to confirm things:
http://www.us.playstation.com/News/PressReleases/400

They make the games look smoother? :DIt's most likely antialiasing, and Sony just used a term that's more casual-friendly.

downloading update now. 11:25pm EST

downloading update now. 11:25pm EST

good call!

D/L update now!!

:) :)

downloading update now. 11:25pm EST

Just beat me to it :

Downloading 1.8 here in Holland...............

Wow the download was fast!
I think the install took longer than the d/l :P

getting it now!!!

This is awesome, Sony rules!!!

Just for that, I'm going to start Folding@Home :)


Not a bad idea. I've only folded one complete unit, but I'll commit to finishing at least 3 more for the same reason.

Huh, keep getting error with the download of 1.8. Anybody having this issue?

EDIT: Nevermind, it's finally going after a restart :)

Downloading now :)

:) :)



Just beat me to it :

Downloading 1.8 here in Holland...............

And installed!

And networked!

Thank you Sony,kick gatessssssss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

its just so beautiful :cool:

hooray!

its just so beautiful :cool:

Ya well, just don't be too close to the screen if you are in 1080p while watching a dvd because... well, the faces are fuzzy!

But when it's straight line like in a menu motif, the detail are very sharp.

I guess the scaler in my TV is better...

Downloading here too in NJ... man it's moving fast!

+1 for downloading! :D

Here as well!!

NC

Just downloaded and it sees my laptop via Windows Media Connect

we needs some pics when you guys are done!

is there an option for widescreen ps2 games?



edit* nvm i think i found the option

Update available... DL'ing now

Under Display Settings, was there a setting for Y Pb/Cb Pr/Cr Super-White (HDMI)?? I don't recall seeing it.

Is this WTW, or something different?

is there an option for widescreen ps2 games?
There are 3 options for upscaling PS/PS2 games
Off, Normal and Full screen
I am not 100% what these do so far, but God of War II in normal was at 1080i (dont have a 1080p tv) and did not occupy full screen even after setting GOW2 to use widescreen
The Full screen option did make it take the whole screen (obviously) but it looked a little stretched (it did not look stretched when I switched GOW2 to widescreen).

Update available... DL'ing now

Sweetness

Installing the update right now, I'm psyched to see what this will do to Gran Turismo 4...