This is great news for those of us who have a PS3 with no upscaling capabilities...now the 360 and PS3 have equal functionality...with PS3 having the better of the formats!

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Sony Computer Entertainment Europe (SCEE) announced today availability of the latest version of the PLAYSTATION®3 (PS3™) firmware. Version 1.80 features upscaling of PlayStation® and PlayStation 2 games, and DVD movies up to full 1080p HD resolution when viewed on a compatible HD TV set.

In a comprehensive update to PS3’s already impressive capabilities, Version 1.80 also allows users to enjoy Remote Play on their PSP across the internet, allowing them to access their PS3 anywhere in the world where a broadband internet connection is available2.

Version 1.80 also allows users on a home network to seamlessly view and play rich media content such as images, music and video on their PS3, that is stored on their DLNA3 enabled devices such as PCs and laptops elsewhere in the house, reinforcing PS3’s credentials as a home entertainment hub that truly deserves pride of place in the Living Room.

A host of other enhancements include the ability to print photo images stored on PS3’s hard disk or inserted storage media to a selection of Epson printers.

PS3 owners will be able to upgrade their PS3 with the latest Version 1.80 firmware from 24th May 2007.

Link please. ;)

Sorry, but I just don´t trust threads like this anymore ;)

Is this REALLY confirmed or just something a ******** site put up to **** with us again?

Excellent. I just read it at IGN also.

Holy cow! The upscaling and network functions are a MAJOR upgrade to the PS3 capabilities.

Wonder how the connection to networked media (if it will) work?
-Alex-

Here are the links:

http://www.gaming-age.com/news/2007/5/23-52
http://www.engadget.com/2007/05/23/sonys-1-80-ps3-firmware-enables-1080p-upscaling-for-games-and-m/

You can't go wrong with a PS3 purchase ...firmware updates makes it future-proof ...err past-proof in this case.

So it really is true this time :eek:

Holy crapper!!!!!!!!!!!!!

YES!!!

I can't wait! But, they don't mention PS3 games being able to be upconverted to 1080p, I hope this will happen too. Here is the exact article from Sony's official website; http://www.scee.presscentre.com/Content/Detail.asp?ReleaseID=4372&NewsAreaID=2

I am so excited because my 480p on my TV really sucks...so having the ability to watch movies without ghosting is making me happy.

Looking forward to every feature listed there. :)

WHOHOOO!!!
Now I can finally watch DVD:s again :D

I was foolish enough to sell my upscaling Sony DVD when I got the PS3 only to discover the horrible pic quality too late.

I´m of to the pub to celebrate!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D

I cant wait :)

Yippie. I really did not want to buy another DVD player for upscaling. I want to use the PS3 for everything. This is great!! How will the network media stuff work with a Mac.

Now if only the PS3 was half as good as the 360 with video processing or de-interlacing for those upscaled DVDs........

**** yeah!!!

No more switching from my upconverter to my PS3.

Now if only the PS3 was half as good as the 360 with video processing or de-interlacing for those upscaled DVDs........
Yeah, I don't quite understand the excitement over DVD up-scaling with the PS3. Its de-interlacing performance will still be atrocious.

I doubt I'll watch any more SDDVDs... maybe my LOTREE or Star Wars movies... but should hopefully come in handy on San Andreas and Battlestar: Galactica. :D

Good news on the update. I've got a few DVD's I haven't got to yet like iRobot to try out.

As for my 360 and PS3, my PS3's DVD playback looks better than the 360's. It is also silent versus my 360 being very loud which makes it a even crappier as DVD player.

Can't wait until to see how Beyond Good and Evil, God of War 1&2, the jak and daxter games would look upscaled.

Anyone familiar with the DNLA bit about streaming music and pictures?

Can't wait until to see how Beyond Good and Evil, God of War 1&2, the jak and daxter games would look upscaled.

This sounds like it might push me over the edge on picking up a PS2 title or two, at least as rentals.

Yeah, I don't quite understand the excitement over DVD up-scaling with the PS3. Its de-interlacing performance will still be atrocious.

Both are done via software, and both can be upgraded via firmware upgrades. While you are likely right that it will still be atrocious, a new software deinterlacer could be part of this update as part of the upscaling software.

Anyone know if it will only upscale via HDMI or will we be able to upscale via. the special
PS3 cable?

Thanks in advance

Anyone familiar with the DNLA bit about streaming music and pictures?

Digital
Living
Network
Alliance

I thought they were only at version 1.5 of their specification. There's a wikipedia entry (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DLNA) on it that's pretty slim on details, and the current http://www.dlna.org website for the alliance is down.

Anyone know if it will only upscale via HDMI or will we be able to upscale via. the special
PS3 cable?

Thanks in advance

Upscaling of movies is ONLY available via HDMI ...thanks to the MPAA.

Digital
Living
Network
Alliance

I thought they were only at version 1.5 of their specification. There's a wikipedia entry (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DLNA) on it that's pretty slim on details, and the current http://www.dlna.org website for the alliance is down.

Yeah I realized I had typed it wrong after, too lazy to fix! :p

I can only imagine the site is down because everyone and their mother is hearing about this thing for the first time and it can't handle the traffic :D

Digital
Living
Network
Alliance

I thought they were only at version 1.5 of their specification. There's a wikipedia entry (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DLNA) on it that's pretty slim on details, and the current http://www.dlna.org website for the alliance is down.

Keep trying the website, I think it is just being overrun by tons of interested PS3 users.

Not a lot of specific info, seems to be related to upnp, and it supports many home nas and media servers. I think that normal unprotected file shares would work fine, but I can't find anything that clarifies it on the site.

OK, DLNA appears to use RTP for audio and video streaming across the network.

Yeah but it doesnt fix the codec issue...

Still wont help with Xvid Divx or MKV

:(

Keep trying the website, I think it is just being overrun by tons of interested PS3 users.

Not a lot of specific info, seems to be related to upnp, and it supports many home nas and media servers. I think that normal unprotected file shares would work fine, but I can't find anything that clarifies it on the site.

Jiffylush, if the page would load I'd check it out.. it must be getting floored with hits right now, heh. Any idea if the Dlink DNS-323 is supported? I just ordered it and I know it uses uPNP.

Here is an alternative explanation of DLNA:

http://www.birds-eye.net/article_archive/digital_living_network_alliance_dlna_essentials.htm

I'll be looking forward to "Secrets of Home Theater" testing the PS3's DVD playing abilities after this update. I am skeptical of software scaling (even though I know HTPC owners swear by it) and am also concerned about the PS3's poor showing in passing flags.

Of course, the next few days all that will be seen are posts from PS3 owners (who previously said they don't care about upscaling) saying the software upscaling of the PS3 is much better than the Toshiba XA2's ReonVX.

Jiffylush, if the page would load I'd check it out.. it must be getting floored with hits right now, heh. Any idea if the Dlink DNS-323 is supported? I just ordered it and I know it uses uPNP.

Well, certified is not the same as supported. Looks like only Buffalo Technology is 'certified', and there is no mention of DLNA on dlink's website. So I am assuming they are not DLNA certified.

Now, supported or compatible? I would think a current home NAS device would work with it, but we can't be sure till there is more info available.

I'll be looking forward to "Secrets of Home Theater" testing the PS3's DVD playing abilities after this update. I am skeptical of software scaling (even though I know HTPC owners swear by it) and am also concerned about the PS3's poor showing in passing flags.

Of course, the next few days all that will be seen are posts from PS3 owners (who previously said they don't care about upscaling) saying the software upscaling of the PS3 is much better than the Toshiba XA2's ReonVX.

Well, the few days preceding the update will be a bunch of posts from people who seem to think they know the future, so it all balances out.

Good stuff =)

Upscaling of movies is ONLY available via HDMI ...thanks to the MPAA.
I absolutely HATE this so much. I can get 1080i off of Blu-Rays via compontent, but I can't take a 480p source and upconvert it to 1080i/p. How lame is that?

Also, this doesn't say anything about upconverting 720p games to 1080i for those of us with 1080i HDTV's only. I don't think that's EVER going to get fixed. :mad: Oh well, I just won't buy games that only support 720p. I know they keep saying it can be done if the developers put that code in their games, but I believe it should be a PS3 function and NOT a function that has to be included by the game developers. :rolleyes:

Wow looks like this entire update is devoted to video and home theater or networking of some kind. As opposed to all previous updates which were more gaming and system centric.

GOOD WORK SONY!

Wow looks like this entire update is devoted to video and home theater or networking of some kind. As opposed to all previous updates which were more gaming and system centric.

GOOD WORK SONY!There are whispers that there are several more items in this update that were not officially announced. I'm not sure why they wouldn't announce them yet. Looks like we will just have to see what those things might be once the update becomes available.

There are whispers that there are several more items in this update that were not officially announced. I'm not sure why they wouldn't announce them yet. Looks like we will just have to see what those things might be once the update becomes available.
What do the whispers say these items are?

Upscaling is nice, but the question remains about whether the PS3 can be updated to the final BD specs late this year. THAT is the key. It just makes no sense to buy an obsolete player for that kind of money.

What do the whispers say these items are?

A member in another thread has said a souce told him 1080/24p, plus other things not mentioned.

Can't wait for the new networking features. I wasn't expecting this update but now the 24th can't come soon enough.

Wow looks like this entire update is devoted to video and home theater or networking of some kind. As opposed to all previous updates which were more gaming and system centric.

GOOD WORK SONY!


Well, the upscaling is applied to PS1 and PS2 games, too. Since I'm about 2/3rds of the way through God of War II, I'm excited about its gaming application, too.

While I'm not going to hold my that it'll upscale as well as the Oppo players for DVDs, I certainly expect it to do better than the cheapie $70 Phillips I picked up a couple of month ago in the interim.

Very good news, I usually use my HDDVD add on for DVDs, now I can just stick with the PS3.

HD DVD fanbois are fast running out of things to gloat about. :cool:

I'll be looking forward to "Secrets of Home Theater" testing the PS3's DVD playing abilities after this update. I am skeptical of software scaling (even though I know HTPC owners swear by it) and am also concerned about the PS3's poor showing in passing flags.

Well, technically all scaling is done via software. It's just a matter of if it's a dedicated programmed circuit or software running on commodity hardware.

I have a question about upscaling, the memo says that it will upscale DVD to 1080P; what if you have a 720P and doesn't accept 1080P like my plasma? Does it upscale to 720P or 1080i?

There are whispers that there are several more items in this update that were not officially announced. I'm not sure why they wouldn't announce them yet. Looks like we will just have to see what those things might be once the update becomes available.

Well, normally we've gotten pretty poor information before updates, and there were times when we didn't get official information on what the updates were on the US site until a day or two after they hit the servers. At least Sony is getting better about this.

Waht about upscaling 720p games to 1080i?

So after 1.8 is installed should the display setting stay as "auto"

I only have a 720 DLP so was curious which it should be...

Any help is appreciated...

THE BAT

Upscaling is nice, but the question remains about whether the PS3 can be updated to the final BD specs late this year. THAT is the key. It just makes no sense to buy an obsolete player for that kind of money.

Why wouldn't it? It has the horsepower available to do it, and all it needs is the software via an update. Of all the BD players on the market, it would be the only one I'd be 100% confident of being able to do BD-J by the deadline.

Wow...

I'm shocked that the thread has made it this far without anyone mentioning something pretty important:

This update is for Europe.

Not to say that the U.S. won't see the same features, but the "official" information I've seen linked comes from Sony's European press office.

SCEA Europe press release (http://www.scee.presscentre.com/content/detail.asp?ReleaseID=4372)

Joystiq post (http://www.joystiq.com/2007/05/23/ps3-firmware-1-8-to-upscale-your-old-games-and-dvds/)

No official word on a U.S. release as of this posting.

No official word on a U.S. release as of this posting.

[UPDATE] SCEA has now confirmed that firmware 1.8 will be released tomorrow in North America as well. "As adoption of HDTVs continues to surge, we know that consumers are hungry for content, and this latest firmware update leverages the PS3's technology to deliver an HD-quality experience using the entertainment media already in your collection," said Peter Dille, senior vice president of marketing, SCEA. "In addition, we continue to enhance the PS3's capabilities as an entertainment hub, giving consumers the option to bring their content with them on-the-go, or to stream photos, videos, and music stored on their PC to the PS3 in their living room. That's often where the largest TV monitor and sound system is located, giving consumers the best possible entertainment experience."

http://biz.gamedaily.com/industry/feature/?id=16252

Wow...

I'm shocked that the thread has made it this far without anyone mentioning something pretty important:

This update is for Europe[...]No official word on a U.S. release as of this posting.Not only did Gaming Age state the firmware "has been confirmed to be universal and applicable for all regions" a couple hours ago (and this was repeated on several sites), but there's now a SCEA press release: Sony Computer Entertainment America (SCEA) today announced that the next regular system software update for the PLAYSTATION 3 (PS3) computer entertainment system (version 1.80) will be available on Thursday, May 24, and will add upscaling of PlayStation/PlayStation 2 games and DVD movies up to 1080p resolution. Now, in addition to displaying native high-definition (HD) content in the highest possible quality (1080p), PS3 system can turn standard definition content into a vibrant HD-quality experience.

The latest firmware update also gives PS3 owners more flexibility to enjoy their digital entertainment content where they want to. The Remote Play feature for using a PSP (PlayStation Portable) system to access photos, videos, and music on a PS3 system’s hard drive will be available from outside of a user’s own home via any accessible Wi-Fi Internet connection, upon the next PSP firmware update. Additionally, PS3 can now play back media content stored on a personal computer or digital video recorder with Digital Living Network Alliance (DLNA) capability over a home network.

“As adoption of HDTVs continues to surge, we know that consumers are hungry for content, and this latest firmware update leverages the PS3’s technology to deliver an HD-quality experience using the entertainment media already in your collection,” said Peter Dille, senior vice president of marketing, SCEA. “In addition, we continue to enhance the PS3’s capabilities as an entertainment hub, giving consumers the option to bring their content with them on-the-go, or to stream photos, videos, and music stored on their PC to the PS3 in their living room. That’s often where the largest TV monitor and sound system is located, giving consumers the best possible entertainment experience.”

Upscaling Games and Movies
SCEA is enhancing the PS3 user experience by enabling PlayStation and PlayStation 2 games to be upscaled to HD resolution, up to 1080p. Classic games as well as recently released titles can now be enjoyed like never before. And PS3 system now has the capability to upscale DVD videos to HD quality (up to 1080p), a feature typically limited to top-of-the-line DVD players. Upscaling games requires an HDMI or component AV cable, while upscaling DVD-ROM (including DVD Video content) requires an HDMI cable and HDMI compatible TV set.

Media Content on the Move
Since November, PS3 owners have been able to stream photos, videos, and music stored on their PS3’s hard drive to a nearby PSP system. Consumers will soon have the freedom to access this media content wherever and whenever their PSP is connected to a wireless Internet access point. To take advantage of this feature, users will have to update their PSP system’s firmware to the next version, 3.50, slated for release next week. Once both systems are updated, consumers can enjoy their entertainment content wherever and whenever wireless Internet access is available, including the 7,000 T-Mobile® HotSpot locations across the United States.

Version 1.80 also allows PS3 users on a home network to stream media content (photos, videos, and music) stored on a DLNA-enabled device onto their PS3 system. DLNA is a system that enables digital devices such as personal computers, DVRs, and TVs to be connected to a network and share data with other connected devices, in this case a PS3 system. This new functionality reinforces the value of PS3 system as a home entertainment hub.

Other Feature Upgrades

* Copying Saved Data to a Memory Card – Users can now copy saved data from PlayStation or PlayStation 2 format software stored on their PS3 system to a Memory Card or Memory Card (8MB) (for PlayStation®2), using their PS3 system and a Memory Card Adaptor.
* Photo Printing, Viewing, and Editing – The photo capabilities of PS3 system have been enhanced, allowing users to print digital photos stored on a PS3’s hard drive or inserted storage media. Currently, select Epson printers connected via USB are compatible. In addition, users will find a new type of slideshow for displaying photos, zoom functionality and the option to crop images.

To install the latest system software on your PS3 system, you can select the System Update feature when your system is hooked up to the Internet; use a PC to download the update data and transfer it to the PS3 system through storage media or a USB mass storage device; or install it using update data included on an upcoming game disc. Further details are available at http://www.us.playstation.com.

The DLNA feature is new to me. Does this mean if my ps3 running off my home network can access media files of my dell pc thru the ethernet connection and play them into my home theater equipment? Or is it more complicated than this? I know how the Xbox 360 works off the network (I have it), just wondering if this is similar.

I know this is a new development, but any help would be cool!

Thanks,
Brandon

The DLNA feature is new to me. Does this mean if my ps3 running off my home network can access media files of my dell pc thru the ethernet connection and play them into my home theater equipment? Or is it more complicated than this? I know how the Xbox 360 works off the network (I have it), just wondering if this is similar.

I know this is a new development, but any help would be cool!

Thanks,
Brandon

That is how it should work, I for one will be testing it as soon I get the update installed. Proper media streaming is a higher priority for me than anything else in this update.

The DLNA feature is new to me. Does this mean if my ps3 running off my home network can access media files of my dell pc thru the ethernet connection and play them into my home theater equipment? Or is it more complicated than this? I know how the Xbox 360 works off the network (I have it), just wondering if this is similar.

I know this is a new development, but any help would be cool!

Thanks,
Brandon

Don't know but i'am pretty sure you'll need a DLNA server for that TwonkyMedia is a certified DLNA software (paid) but i'am sure they'll be instruction with the update tomorrow, i hope so..

So after 1.8 is installed should the display setting stay as "auto"

I only have a 720 DLP so was curious which it should be...

Any help is appreciated...

THE BAT

I am wondering this as well. I have a Pioneer 5070 which will accept a 1080p24 signal but not a 1080p60 signal. I am keeping my fingers crossed for this to be a 1080p24 update!

Don't know but i'am pretty sure you'll need a DLNA server for that TwonkyMedia is a certified DLNA software (paid) but i'am sure they'll be instruction with the update tomorrow, i hope so..
"instructions"? I doubt it, but it would be nice. I've got over 80 Gigs of music I'd like to have access to via my PS3 and wireless 802.11g connection. The PC has Windows XP Pro. Any idea how I can set it up to work?

"instructions"? I doubt it, but it would be nice. I've got over 80 Gigs of music I'd like to have access to via my PS3 and wireless 802.11g connection. The PC has Windows XP Pro. Any idea how I can set it up to work?

Ideally you would just have a shared folder called mp3s, then you would point the ps3 to \\computername\mp3s

We will need to wait til tomorrow to find out.

Cool. Thanks. I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

Why wouldn't it? It has the horsepower available to do it, and all it needs is the software via an update. Of all the BD players on the market, it would be the only one I'd be 100% confident of being able to do BD-J by the deadline.

Yes I agree, although nothing is 100% guarenteed in life expect that nobody gets out alive. :D

Obviously I prefer HD DVD, but originally I was all behind BD. Still waiting for the hardware... The PS3 is a good choice, but I want to be sure.

[UPDATE] SCEA has now confirmed that firmware 1.8 will be released tomorrow in North America as well.

Good to hear! :D

Yeah, I don't quite understand the excitement over DVD up-scaling with the PS3. Its de-interlacing performance will still be atrocious.

You don't know that - and you don't know that it won't be fixed if it is still an issue. Unlike, say, lossless audio output on the 360 (an impossibility).

Now that you can print photos from the PS3, I really want an integrated word processor. It would be so cool to type term papers on a 52" 1080p LCD!:cool:

I know you can get Red Dog Linux for it, but that scares me and it's expensive. I only have a 20GB so that would really eat into it.

You don't know that - and you don't know that it won't be fixed if it is still an issue. Unlike, say, lossless audio output on the 360 (an impossibility).


I think, Kris Deering owes us a secnd look on ps3, and hd dvd add on, after upgrades, while we are still waiting for results on xa2

You don't know that - and you don't know that it won't be fixed if it is still an issue. Unlike, say, lossless audio output on the 360 (an impossibility).
My point was that people are getting excited over up-scaling and up-scaling alone. They had no indication of improved de-interlacing performance or video processing. This is a good step, however. And by the way, I don't even consider the 360 to be a viable option for any type of movie playback in my setup, so I wasn't addressing that part of the post I quoted.

Does this mean 720P PS3 games will upscale to 1080i?

Does this mean 720P PS3 games will upscale to 1080i?

No it does not, there was no mention about any updates to PS3 games.

Only PS1, PS2, and DVD.

Sneak peak of updated ps3 menu (http://www.ps3fanboy.com//2007/05/23/firmware-1-80-to-include-1080p-upscaling-for-games-and-movies/)

Looks like 1080p 24hz is definite. Who woulda thunk it? No hoopla or mention of this in the press release (why keep it a secret?). A couple of more updates and a $100 price drop would turn things around in time for the holiday season.

Looks like 1080p 24hz is definite.

Damn! Good spot

Looks like 1080p 24hz is definite. Who woulda thunk it? No hoopla or mention of this in the press release (why keep it a secret?).

Not a secret, just not a bullet point in a press release. The reason should be obvious. 99.5% of PS3 owners can't use it, and 99.9% likely don't know what it is or why they should want it. Why make a complex technology even harder for the average person.

Great news...but what about the DTS-HD decoding we were promised for April?????

1080p 24hz is useless to many people

give us dts hd ma!

Not a secret, just not a bullet point in a press release. The reason should be obvious. 99.5% of PS3 owners can't use it, and 99.9% likely don't know what it is or why they should want it. Why make a complex technology even harder for the average person.

My question was rhetorical but thanks for your well intentioned insight.

1080p 24hz is useless to many people

give us dts hd ma!

With what fox releases are you going to be using hd-ma?


just kidding

Now all we need is the option to send a raw TrueHD and DTS-MA stream directly to our receiver without the ps3 touching it.

I would like to see support for PAL DVDs in Japanese PS3 model via this or later firmware upgrade. Don't see why they have to support it exclusively in European models only.

Now all we need is the option to send a raw TotalHD and DTS-MA stream directly to our receiver without the ps3 touching it.
total hd?

dts ma stream directly to the receiver would be cool but how many people own receivers that can decode it?

let the ps3 be able to decode and to sent it without touching it!

Now if only the PS3 was half as good as the 360 with video processing or de-interlacing for those upscaled DVDs........Wow you don't miss the opportunity to comment on this matter! :p

Great news, I will do a comparison of the Back to the Future Discs since I have two copy's of the second film and an HDMI switcher so I can switch back and forth very fast to see if the Ps3 does as well as my Sony DVPNS75H for upscaling.

The update is available now. Currently downloading...

-1080p24h is in
-Full range RGB option is there along with Y/Cr/Cb Super White mode -- (seems like WTW/BTB clipping is gone with these options)
-720p BR is in

Seems like this was a super media update.

Fantastic., it is in.

Downloading this now myself. Lets see how this bad bay works.

what does the 1080/24p do?

it will give you the video as is on the disk,

it will give you the video as is on the disk,

What was it doing with it before?

And what does Super White do?

Loving it so far. The PS3 immediately recognized my PC, and WTW/BTB does indeed seem to be fixed. I'll wait for real tests to be done in order to determine that. At least my games look like they should now.

FYI, people are reporting that Blu-ray 720p playback is possible now with this update.

Anyone know if this patch will support NTFS external drives via USB?

PLEASE!

Help me out here guys. When setting full-range RGB to on, my black levels look correct for everything (blacks were dull before). Does this mean the PS3 can be considered to pass blacker than back?

FYI, people are reporting that Blu-ray 720p playback is possible now with this update.


THis is excellent news :) Hooray for Sony on this one...I'm downloading as I type..

I have a KV 34HS510 Sony HDTV(CRT) that has DVI input if i buy a HDMI/DVI adapter will I be able to take avantage of upscaled dvd's to 1080i through the PS3?

Gruson: Not possible. NTFS is a Microsoft thing.

I have a KV 34HS510 Sony HDTV(CRT) that has DVI input if i buy a HDMI/DVI adapter will I be able to take avantage of upscaled dvd's to 1080i through the PS3?

If the DVI is HDCP then you should be fine.

What good is upscaling PS1/PS2 games when this POS can't even upscale 720P PS3 games???

What good is upscaling PS1/PS2 games when this POS can't even upscale 720P PS3 games???

?????????

I...agree?

What good is upscaling PS1/PS2 games when this POS can't even upscale 720P PS3 games???
I'm right here with you man. :mad:

I've got a few ?'s I'm hoping people can help with. My assumption is that going with 720p for games/movies is the way to go since that's the preferred resolution on my TV. So I've got the Display settings to state that 720p is my max resolution.

What I'm wondering about though, are the upscaling settings for games and DVD's. I'm ASSUMING that the "smooth" setting should be set to on for both, but what confuses me is the scaling option. The settings are "normal" and "full screen." The one game I've tested it on thus far is FFXII, and if you have it set to normal, the game reverts to 4:3 aspect, even when the setting in the game is switched to 16:9. But then if I go back into the system settings and switch that to "full screen," the game loads up fine but I don't to me it's a bit hard to tell how much of an improvement it actually is. I mean it looks a LITTLE smoother/better, but FFXII to me seems like a dark game to begin with so maybe it's just not the best reference. I probably should've tested this with a movie instead, but I've typed so much so I'm not going to go back lol.

if anyone has any input for me on what works for you, I'd appreciate it. I've got the PS3 hooked up through HDMI on a 56" Samsung DLP

Also, how the heck do I get this media server working? Again, I have Windows XP Pro and I have shared a folder. The PS3 doesn't recognize anything when I search for a media server. Are there any instructions anywhere to guide me through the process?

Ckenisell, you need a DLNA server. Shared folders in WinXP aren't DLNA compliant.

I'm not sure what DLNA servers are out there, but I know there's at least a few. If I come across any names I'll post them.

Windows Media Player 10 will do. In fact my laptop found the PS3 without me even doing anything (I wasnt even running WMP10). Then the PS3 found my laptop and my folders.
Oops I meant WMP11 :o

TVersity: http://www.tversity.com
TwonkyVision: http://www.twonkyvision.de/Download/TwonkyMedia/index.html
WMP11: Share the files through the interface

All will do the trick for compatible XP progs.

Ckenisell, you need a DLNA server. Shared folders in WinXP aren't DLNA compliant.

I'm not sure what DLNA servers are out there, but I know there's at least a few. If I come across any names I'll post them.

What the heck is a DLNA server and why would they use this if Windows is the number one OS out there? Can I install DLNA on my XP Pro OS?

Twonky Media is one. But PS3 doesn't seem to like DivX or XviD avis. It works fine with MPEG-2 files on Twonky Media.

I have a KV 34HS510 Sony HDTV(CRT) that has DVI input if i buy a HDMI/DVI adapter will I be able to take avantage of upscaled dvd's to 1080i through the PS3?I have the same TV and it upscales fine. The DVI is HDCP and dvds look great.

DLNA is a standard for media access across the network, mostly. There's several companies involved in it, MS and Sony included.

Windows Media Center edition is DLNA compliant (IIRC), Windows XP on its own is not. I believe the interaction between the 360 and PCs is through the DLNA spec (the 360 only recognizes windows rather than any DLNA compliant server)

You can run a DLNA server on your XP machine.

For example: http://www.twonkyvision.com/Products/TwonkyMedia/index.html

TwonkyMedia is a DLNA server that you can DL (not sure how good it is, it just came up in a quick good search). Edit: seems I was beaten on TwonkyMedia, hah!

WMP11: Share the files through the interface

I'm not a WMP11 Guru. What do I need to do for this to work? Sorry. I know these questions seem dumb, but I've got WMP11 open and I feel pretty dumb.

I noticed one annoying problem. Whenever I exit a BD movie, the PS3 turns off full-range RGB even though it still says it's on.

I'm not a WMP11 Guru. What do I need to do for this to work? Sorry. I know these questions seem dumb, but I've got WMP11 open and I feel pretty dumb.
Options/Library/Configure Sharing then Allow the PS3 (comes up as unknown device for me)

I have the same TV and it upscales fine. The DVI is HDCP and dvds look great.

thanks


anyway i tried Kingdom Hearts 2 upscaled to 1080i with smooth on and it definitely looks better, I switched back and forth a few times to make sure, I will test MGS3 next.

Argh it till me I"m up to date (1.7)...

Ah, my gateway device was caching the dus01.ps3.update.playstation.net hit. Made sure that won't happen again.

Options/Library/Configure Sharing then Allow the PS3 (comes up as unknown device for me)
Yeah, it came up as unknown device for me too. Anyway, it works now. However, I'm not sure why it's not fining all of my music. I suppose I need to create playlists or something. I can get photos to work great. Just not video or audio. I'll play more and see what I can find.

The upscaling looks great.

I noticed a weird quirk with Shadow of the Colossus. Usually the game starts up and asks you if you want to set it to progressive mode and of course you say yes. Except now if you do that the game will override the upscaling and force the resolution to be 480p no matter what. The solution is obviously to NOT choose progressive mode and everything does indeed remain upscaled.

However, the game then seems to ignore 4:3 vs. widescreen input when not set to progressive, so it's impossible to play the game both upscaled and 16:9. It's 4:3 and upscaled OR 480p and 16:9.

Not sure if the same odd behavior holds for all progressive PS2 games.

First post. Need help!

Msmith83, you say full mode turns off when you exit a blu-ray??

I thought there was a DVI issue with my tv (sonykv40xbr800) but turning RGB full mode on seemed to be a magical fix. All my PSN content looks fantastic now, but alas for some reason every time I start up a ps2 game, dvd/blu-ray full mode turns off. Mr. ps3 doesn't even wait until i'm finished! Jerk.

Is anybody else having this problem?

Downloading 1.8 as we speak. Not a fan of fake HD....but will report what upscaling looks like on a 92" screen very soon.

However, the game then seems to ignore 4:3 vs. widescreen input when not set to progressive, so it's impossible to play the game both upscaled and 16:9. It's 4:3 and upscaled OR 480p and 16:9.

Not sure if the same odd behavior holds for all progressive PS2 games.

Okay, I figured out the 16:9 part. If you are a widescreen TV and the game you are playing supports 16:9, make sure you set PS1/PS2 upscaling to "Full". Everything will work dandy then.

If 1080p24 is in, I hope it is actually the 1080p23.976 that it should be (I'm pretty sure that is the correct number). Seems like there has been too much confusion with manufacturers about what they are supposed to do and some of them have taken the 1080p24 literally. Basically, a correct implementation wouldn't have any rate conversion from the film content that is on the discs.

--Darin

First post. Need help!

Msmith83, you say full mode turns off when you exit a blu-ray??

I thought there was a DVI issue with my tv (sonykv40xbr800) but turning RGB full mode on seemed to be a magical fix. All my PSN content looks fantastic now, but alas for some reason every time I start up a ps2 game, dvd/blu-ray full mode turns off. Mr. ps3 doesn't even wait until i'm finished! Jerk.

Is anybody else having this problem?
Yes. Turning the console off does the same thing. This means you have to turn the RGB setting to full again every time you exit a movie or start the console.

At least my games and menu look correct for once. My black levels are no longer washed out.

I didn't see it mentioned but they added a variation on the Photo Album ("photo album 2") which has the photos on the same style screen but they're neatly organized instead of randomly tossed down...

I waited over half a year for the dvd upscale to retire my upconvert dvdplayer, now sony even gives me ps1/2 upscale. I must say I really love sony now.

The upscaling of DVDs looks phenomenal.If you feed the machine with a DVD title that has a good transfer ,it transforms it to almost tier-2 high-def disk levels.This will save me a lot of money from rebuying movies that i already own on DVD.

i just upgraded to v1.8 for one reason: ability to play BD at 720p

I have a BenQ 8720 (720p) pj. The PS3 menu looks noticeably sharper in 720p compared to 1080i.
I suspect that the downconversion in the BenQ is not that great. I don't have the HDMI/Gennum upgrade for my AVM20 yet and I don't have any outboard video processing. I've had to watch BD in 1080i and maybe that the reason why I wasn't jumping up and down when I first got my PS3.
Well, thanks to Sony, I'm a happy boy now. I have two screenshots of POTC: COTBP to demo how much sharper 720p is over 1080i with my PJ. Please note: DSLR on tripod, same exposure and white balance, EXACT same frame. The is the scene (ch3) when Sparrow rescues Elizabeth from the water.

I will duplicate this post in the 8720 thread.

AFAIK, that PJ downrezzes to 540P, THEN uprezzes THAT to 720 when fed 1080i, throwing away 1/2 the horizontal Pic info.

Dave:

I didn't know that. Thanks. I'm not stong in video. I'm much more better with audio :)

It depends how good your tv is to what up converting will get you in quality.

In most cases, this up converting will not improve the picture quality at all, you can not create picture information out of thin air. People do not see this, strange.

The Good News: The Upconversion is really good. On my 92", Mits 1000U...Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade looks phenomenal. Even TV recorded DVR's upscale nicely.

The Bad News: A handfull of 1080i MPeg-2 clips that played perfectly no longer play. I get a black screen when I hit play. 90% of my clips still play fine.....no idea why the others will no longer play.

Edit: Was able to get rerecorded versions of the Mpegs to play. This update is touchy about Mpg-2 files

The upscaling of DVDs looks phenomenal.If you feed the machine with a DVD title that has a good transfer ,it transforms it to almost tier-2 high-def disk levels.This will save me a lot of money from rebuying movies that i already own on DVD.
Till you get a bigger display that is.... SD is SD. HD is HD, and they will never meet.

Till you get a bigger display that is.... SD is SD. HD is HD, and they will never meet.

I think there are gamers in the BD forum. :)
Upconverted SD is never HD.

I want to know whether the PS3 can upscale 720p games to 1080i now or are we stuck with the same issues from launch? Thankfully I don't have this problem, but a buddy of mine has a 1080i/480p HDTV and he returned his PS3 because of this awful bug!

Till you get a bigger display that is.... SD is SD. HD is HD, and they will never meet.


I agree. I've been testing the upscaling with a handful of SD DVDs....and while the PS3 now does a nice job of upscaling (perhaps superior to my Oppo 970) it isn't tier 2 HD. This would defy the laws of physics.

Still for what it does...it appears to do well.

I want to know whether the PS3 can upscale 720p games to 1080i now or are we stuck with the same issues from launch? Thankfully I don't have this problem, but a buddy of mine has a 1080i/480p HDTV and he returned his PS3 because of this awful bug!

That's a negative. Ironically it seems the only thing the ps3 doesnt currently upscale is ps3 games.

Anyways, it may be a non-issue as it seems that only the hdmi-dvi connections will upscale for the ps3

That's a negative. Ironically it seems the only thing the ps3 doesnt currently upscale is ps3 games.

Anyways, it may be a non-issue as it seems that only the hdmi-dvi connections will upscale for the ps3

it's an issue for me... i run HDMI from my HTPC to my projector (all i can afford at the moment. can't even afford an HDMI switcher... anyone know of the cheapest one that maintains SOME kind of signal so that my HTPC doesn't think it's connection has been disconnected?)

FYI, you guys can use Nero MediaHome to transcode AVI's and other formats to your PS3

it's an issue for me... i run HDMI from my HTPC to my projector (all i can afford at the moment. can't even afford an HDMI switcher... anyone know of the cheapest one that maintains SOME kind of signal so that my HTPC doesn't think it's connection has been disconnected?)

have you checked the cheap, yet great, Monoprice switchers?

FYI, you guys can use Nero MediaHome to transcode AVI's and other formats to your PS3

Do you know if MediaHome will read off a NAS share?

Do you know if MediaHome will read off a NAS share?

It is just a windows app, as long as your pc can see it you should be fine. You might have to map a drive...

it's an issue for me... i run HDMI from my HTPC to my projector (all i can afford at the moment. can't even afford an HDMI switcher... anyone know of the cheapest one that maintains SOME kind of signal so that my HTPC doesn't think it's connection has been disconnected?)

The monoprice 5 way switchers work great.

The update isn't posted on the website yet. I'll keep checking back to see when it is.

Here's a direct link from the Playstation Forums

PS3 1.8 Firmware (http://dus01.ps3.update.playstation.net/update/ps3/image/us/2007_0524_fd9887626f734b46b271aec58e827cb2/PS3UPDAT.PUP)

Here's a direct link from the Playstation Forums

PS3 1.8 Firmware (http://dus01.ps3.update.playstation.net/update/ps3/image/us/2007_0524_fd9887626f734b46b271aec58e827cb2/PS3UPDAT.PUP)
Thanks man! Save me all day of checking and waiting. *thumbs up*

Do you know if MediaHome will read off a NAS share?

Just to be clear the ps3 won't do any sort of networked streaming of files, I'd have to plug in an external?

Just to be clear the ps3 won't do any sort of networked streaming of files, I'd have to plug in an external?
with the latest firmware...it will stream media.

Upconverted SD is never HD.

True, but then again there are number of poor HD transfers that barely qualify as HD (even if they have the number of required pixels). In some cases I suspect I'd take a high quality SD transfer with a high quality upscale over a low quality HD transfer.

Just to be clear the ps3 won't do any sort of networked streaming of files, I'd have to plug in an external?
Actually, that's incorrect. As ajamils pointed out, streaming is there. I was able to stream some mp3's into the living room from the computer room all wirelessly. It was fantastic. This is my first time to use a media streaming server, so it was pretty cool.

True, but then again there are number of poor HD transfers that barely qualify as HD (even if they have the number of required pixels). In some cases I suspect I'd take a high quality SD transfer with a high quality upscale over a low quality HD transfer.

I think upscaling might mean the difference in upgrading on some titles where the BD version isn't noticeably better.

....

The Bad News: A handfull of 1080i MPeg-2 clips that played perfectly no longer play. I get a black screen when I hit play. 90% of my clips still play fine.....no idea why the others will no longer play.

Edit: Was able to get rerecorded versions of the Mpegs to play. This update is touchy about Mpg-2 files


You know this is a real bummer! It seems like with the last few upgrades, I've progressively lost the ability to play back more and more of my HD MPeg-2 clips I have on the hard drive. This has been primaryly what I've been looking for out of these updates, (more support for HD playback and less sensitivity), in addition to the abilty to stream the HD content from my PC to the PS3. Sony should be supporting more formats, (.ts video & audio, all HD MPG-2, & WMV formats), not less. Come on!

I'd appreciate the upscaling on the PS1 and PS2 games to HD, but as far as the upscaling DVD, I don't really care about this to much because I'm not a big movie person.

I haven't heard about the devices ability to stream HD yet, so I'll hold off on the update for now. I'd hate to lose the ability to play back some of the rich TV recordings I already have.

To DVD dorks such as myself, this is one more checkmark towards justifying the purchase of this beast. I have a 360, but can't upconvert because my projector uses a wonky VGA resolution the 360 doesn't support. WTG Sony!

Video streaming is working fine, except that I wish sony would support Divx, Xvid, MKV. If they did this it would put them ahead to the 360 in a meaningful way.

Using windows media connect as my server, I can see all the folders for my music, but it says there are no files in any of the folders. Is this a fault of windows media connect or will the ps3 really not play mp3 or aac? For what its worth the music streams fine to the 360

And props to sony for the file browsing interface, so much cleaner and quicker than what I am used to on the 360

EDIT: Wow I'm retarded. I was still browsing under the video category even though I could see the music folder. Does anyone know if the ps3 can do all channel stereo for music rather than just the front left and right?

Actually, that's incorrect. As ajamils pointed out, streaming is there. I was able to stream some mp3's into the living room from the computer room all wirelessly. It was fantastic. This is my first time to use a media streaming server, so it was pretty cool.
Did you get your High Definition Files on your PC to playback on the PS3? How would you say it turned out? You said previously you couldn't get the sound to play back on some files. Could you play these files back previously when you put them on the PS3 hard drive, or had them read from a DVD data disc?

I'd be hardwiring my PS3 to my PC via my (wireless) router for the fastest possible connection. It seems like you are sending things wirelessly. Maybe this has something to do with your video playback issues, (speed). Do you have a Super G, G, or 802.1.1g/b wireless router?

R-Type, when using windows media connect as your server, you have to tell the WMP to "monitor" the additional folders that you want visible. At least, that's the impression I got when playing with it last night. I was able to get a folder with music to show up by default so I can confirm the streaming of the mp3 files.

Video streaming is working fine, except that I wish sony would support Divx, Xvid, MKV. .....
EDIT: Wow I'm retarded. I was still browsing under the video category even though I could see the music folder. Does anyone know if the ps3 can do all channel stereo for music rather than just the front left and right?

How about the HD video files?

Does anyone know if the update will now allow for audio playback of the .TS transport stream file format, without having to convert it to MPEG-2?

Does anyone know if the PS3 will play backed up DVD movies ripped to your computer's hard drive, (".VOB" format)?

If it will, will it upconvert them to HD.

Also, if anyone has gotten the video streaming to work, I'm wondering if it will play the thumbnail as you are browsing through the titles.

Did you get your High Definition Files on your PC to playback on the PS3? How would you say it turned out?

Are you refering to my comment about WMV-HD? I haven't tried it yet. If it doesn't work, it would be due to the format and not my connection speed.

You said previously you couldn't get the sound to play back on some files. I did? Last night I was trying to get the PS3 to see the folders on my Windows XP Pro hard drive, but after I set it up correctly, I could get the music to play.

Could you play these files back previously when you put them on the PS3 hard drive, or had them read from a DVD data disc?
I don't know. I never tried to play them that way before. I don't like the idea of burning discs or moving physical drives around just to get media from one player/computer to another. It's not worth the effort. However, if it can be done electronically (via a server function such as this), I'm all over it. Perhaps I'm too lazy to go to the original player, transfer the files I think I might want to a portable medium, take the portable medium to the new player, transfer the files and then listen. I like the idea that the content is streaming from the original computer. Having to keep track of where my files have been copied and having redundant files in three different locations (original location, portable media and destination location) gives me a headache. I'm a neat freak and have OCD so I only need one of everything (even though it's electronic and could be deleted in an instant).

I'd be hardwiring my PS3 to my PC via my (wireless) router for the fastest possible connection. It seems like you are sending things wirelessly. Maybe this has something to do with your video playback issues, (speed). Do you have a Super G, G, or 802.1.1g/b wireless router? It's a Linksys WRT54G which is 802.11g. One would think that 54Mbps would be enough for streaming mp3's, DVDs or even WMV-HD (if it will do that format).

The Good News: The Upconversion is really good. On my 92", Mits 1000U...Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade looks phenomenal. Even TV recorded DVR's upscale nicely.

I have another question, (I'm full of them!).

Will the PS3 upconvert non HD recordings, for example Windows Media cener DVR-MS files, or ohter MPGs to near HD quality? If so just how good does it look?

On the DVD conversion issue, just how good is it? I'm guessing it isn't like a Blu-Ray disc, but if its really close, I'd prefer to pay about $5 for a DVD, as opposed to $25 for the Blu-Ray.

Every answer must first start with a question!

That's a negative. Ironically it seems the only thing the ps3 doesnt currently upscale is ps3 games.

Anyways, it may be a non-issue as it seems that only the hdmi-dvi connections will upscale for the ps3

That's a real shame. I don't know how Sony can justify this defect when many of these 1080i/480p HDTV sets are Sony brand! I would feel cheated if I couldn't play any 720p PS3 games at a higher resoultion than 480p on my HDTV.

Ironically, despite Sony claiming the PS3 to be the ultimate "Full HD" console, the PS3 doesn't even work with all HD displays and isn't even HD out of the box as the HDMI or component cable are sold seperately accessories.

Does anyone know if the PS3 will play backed up DVD movies ripped to your computer's hard drive, (".VOB" format)?

If it will, will it upconvert them to HD.

Also, if anyone has gotten the video streaming to work, I'm wondering if it will play the thumbnail as you are browsing through the titles.

ditto

On the DVD conversion issue, just how good is it? I'm guessing it isn't like a Blu-Ray disc, but if its really close, I'd prefer to pay about $5 for a DVD, as opposed to $25 for the Blu-Ray.
I don't care how good a DVD upconvert is, if the Blu-Ray is authored properly, the Blu-Ray will ALWAYS win on picture quality. Honestly, I don't think it was a good move on the part of Sony to include upconverting. It may actually take away Blu-Ray disc sales because of reasoning like yours (which, by all means, is fair reasoning). :)

I don't like the fact that DVD's can't be upconverted using component. This issue should be readdressed.

It would have to be addressed with DVD Forum, not SCEI, since its their rules.

It would have to be addressed with DVD Forum, not SCEI, since its their rules.
Yeah, I know. It's frustrating either way. It makes no sense that we can get 1080i from a 1080p source via component, but we can't get 1080i from a 480p source. Where's the logic in that?

I have another question, (I'm full of them!).

Will the PS3 upconvert non HD recordings, for example Windows Media cener DVR-MS files, or ohter MPGs to near HD quality? If so just how good does it look?

I only have a couple of mpeg files that the ps3 can see (music videos from a while back) but the ps3 is definately scaling them to screen resolution. Unfortunately these files are such low bitrate I can't really draw any conclusions from it.

I'm currently waiting for the Nero Mediahome server to finish indexing the folders I want to share so I can see if the transcoding it has integrated into it is up to the challenge of pumping some hd video to the ps3 in mpeg 2 form.

I only have a couple of mpeg files that the ps3 can see (music videos from a while back) but the ps3 is definately scaling them to screen resolution. Unfortunately these files are such low bitrate I can't really draw any conclusions from it.

Are you saying that you have some low bit-rate video files on your computer that are something like 320x240 that are getting scaled to 1920x1080? I'm asking because I have the same thing, but I'm not at home to try it.

Are you saying that you have some low bit-rate video files on your computer that are something like 320x240 that are getting scaled to 1920x1080? I'm asking because I have the same thing, but I'm not at home to try it.

exactly, I'm not sure if its using the same engine it uses for dvd scaling, but the fact that my screen resolution is not changing and the video is full size means the hardware is scaling it to the screen resolution. The results look as good as those type of files ever do. I can't compare the upscaling really because any pc media player scaled the media too, but the ps3 is at least on par with a pc player

There are examples of the upscaling and comparison shots at this thread:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=851778&page=1&pp=30

It looks like for games it kind of blurs them to get rid of jaggies, pretty useless. But the DVD shots look promising.

I'm very excited about this new update, but has anyone tested to see if it upscales to intermediate resolutions 720p/1080i? My set does not have 1080p.

Also on a related note, is the upscaling active for PS1 games that have been downloaded to the system via PSN? (Jumping Flash should look tasty . . . )

Thanks.

Yes it will upscale (DVDs) to 720p or 1080i.

Yes it will upscale (DVDs) to 720p or 1080i.
However, if the DVD is copywritten, this will only work via HDMI and NOT over component.

So for us 720P TV owners..what settings should we use??? set to 720P or 1080i...??

However, if the DVD is copywritten, this will only work via HDMI and NOT over component.


Why only HDMI upscaling? How about DVDs burned to your PC hard drive? Is the upscaling limited to only a HDMI connection?

How about MPG upscaling, (non DVD). I think someone said they are getting upscaling, which is good.


I think I'm going to take a swing at this tonight and I'll probably be able to provide answers to most of my own questions.

There is no turning back, so here goes.

FYI... I created a PS3, Oppo981, Xbox 360 Elite DVD upscale thread here (for those who are interested):

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=852029

Why only HDMI upscaling? How about DVDs burned to your PC hard drive? Is the upscaling limited to only a HDMI connection?

How about MPG upscaling, (non DVD). I think someone said they are getting upscaling, which is good.


I think I'm going to take a swing at this tonight and I'll probably be able to provide answers to most of my own questions.

There is no turning back, so here goes.

I only have a couple of mpeg files that the ps3 can see (music videos from a while back) but the ps3 is definately scaling them to screen resolution. Unfortunately these files are such low bitrate I can't really draw any conclusions from it.



I linked my computer to my ps3 with the DNCL host (or whatever). I believe the WMP files are upscaled. Resolution when playing them is still at 1080p for me. It doesn't revert to 480p.

A comparison between the two is difficult for me, as my comp screen is only 22", and my pc isn't linked directly to my tv.

Wow, this is by far the best update for the PS3 so far! At least on paper since I havn't had time to try it out yet, but early comments sound promising.

* 720p/1080i/1080p upconversion for PS1/PS2 games - Nice! :)
* 720p downconversion on Blu-ray discs - Very nice for those of us with 720p displays! :D
* 1080p24 on Blu-ray discs - Wow, must be the cheapest player available with this feature?! If only I had a compatible display :rolleyes:
* RGB full range
* Y Pb/Cb Pr/Cr and x.v.Color output

This is for sure going to make the PS3 even more attractive for the price. Now, if only I knew whether to use the RGB full range and/or Y Pb/Cb Pr/Cr and x.v.Color output options on my Sanyo PLV-Z4 projector, since ofcouse there is no such detailed specifications in the manual :( Sure, you could probably go by trial-and-error to find the best-looking alternative, but I'd rather just see what is the correct option. Who said it should be easy...

Can anyone shed some light on the Y Pb/Cb Pr/Cr ultra white option? Is this mandated in one of the hdmi revisions where it'd be easy to tell if my display supports it? I enabled the full RGB and that certainly looks a lot better so I'm not in any hurry to change, just curious.

Has anyone here gotten nero media home to work? I got it to show the files on the ps3 but i got an error message saying connection refused form the server. This is with my firewall turned completely off. I had the transcoding set to high bitrate mpeg2 fwiw. I'll try it again later with different transcoding settings.

EDIT: I should mention that windows media connect is working fine with the PS3, so my network is working fine, I just want the transcoding abilities of media home. Here's hoping for a "transcode PS3" app to come along

The 1080/24p seems to work fine through my Denon 3806 receiver hooked to my Lumagen Vision Pro HDP video processor. No problems with the Lumagen being DVI vs HDMI. The PS3 sends 1080/24p and the lumagen outputs 1080/24psf to my projector and it seems to work flawlessly.

This is fantastic as a free upgrade!

The 1080/24p seems to work fine through my Denon 3806 receiver hooked to my Lumagen Vision Pro HDP video processor. No problems with the Lumagen being DVI vs HDMI. The PS3 sends 1080/24p and the lumagen outputs 1080/24psf to my projector and it seems to work flawlessly.

This is fantastic as a free upgrade!

How has this affected your display visually? Is it very obvious that there is a change in cadence? Is the lack of judder in the frames more noticeable when there is motion on the screen when compared to 1080p/60. I'm just curious if it's really worth buying a different display, just to get 1080p/24? I already own a 1080p display, but have already had cash offers for it. So the temptation is always there.

All right,

I downloaded the update, and have to say that the streaming ability that the PS3 now offers makes this the best update to date!

I hate the fact that you have to use HDMI for the copy protected DVD upscaling. I've only got 1 HDMI port on my TV, and I'm already using this for my cable box. I use component for my PS3. Nonethe less, I'm not a big movie person so this is secondary for me.

It took a little bit for me to get the folders, and sharing right with Windows Media Player version 11, but I figured it out and have the music, pictures, and HD content from my PC on my PS3 in the living room. Really, really nice. Now there is no need for me to buy a big external hard drive, or swap out the one I have in it. I have full acess to the media stored on my PC hard drives. And another thing, Sony added the Folder data organization structure. You can see the folders, just as they appear on your PC.

There are a couple of things I still don't like with this though.

The limited Video File formats that are supported. To conserve space over the years I converted a lot of my video Files to WMV. The PS3 doesn't support this format at all. What a bummer. I can't access most of my archived SD recordings from the PS3 without converting them again. This would be a very time consuming process. WHY WON'T SONY FIX THIS TO MAKE THE MACHINE MORE MEDIA FRIENDLY?

A regular MPG 2 file will not be upconverted to HD. The file will look just as good on your HDTV as it does when playing back from your PC. For the question of upconverting a VOB Back up DVD file, I haven't tried it yet, but I can't imagine how it could do this.

The PS3 will only recognize pictures in the JPG format. GIF, TIFF, and BMP are not supported. Again, what a bummer. Media friendliness issue, again.

The PS3 will not support certain wave audio recordings. Broken record here, Media friendliness.

Still what a great update. These guys did something good here.

I doubt I'll watch any more SDDVDs... maybe my LOTREE or Star Wars movies... but should hopefully come in handy on San Andreas and Battlestar: Galactica. :D

I thought Battlestar Galactica was a Sept 8 announced HD-DVD format, not bluray? did this change or is it a dual release ?

i think he means he'll watch the SDdvds upscaled...

I could not get my music to appear on my PS3, it gives me an error

pictures were transferred without problems

can anyone help me out

Since the Updated, My PS3 does a better job upscalling than my Oppo. The Picture is just much better. I tested few standard dvds and the PS3 is the winner compared to my Oppo.

Upgrading to 1.8 was definitely worth it.

Switching back and forth between RGB and the other one (I won't attempt to remember the string of letters), RGB didn't have quite the sharpness.

I also compared the upscaling of the PS3 and the HD-A1 of DVDs and......

PS3 WINS HANDS DOWN! It's sharper and reveals more detail. The HD-A1 softens the picture but still lets too many artifacts through. The PS3 definitely gives a bit more Oomph to the picture, creating a 3D effect.

I used Attack of the Clones to compare, one of the best DVD transfers ever.

For me the only comparison I can make is between an A2 and PS3. I tried IRobot yesterday and the PQ was great for an upscaled DVD. The PS3 to me does a better job than the A2 as the details are sharper and hardly any softness is applied to the picture. Some scenes looked like mid Tier 3 PQ which is scary.

I'm kind of figuring that the PS3 is now equivelant to the XA2? Anyone able to compare them?

I hate the fact that you have to use HDMI for the copy protected DVD upscaling. I've only got 1 HDMI port on my TV, and I'm already using this for my cable box. I use component for my PS3. Nonethe less, I'm not a big movie person so this is secondary for me.

How does one know, before inserting a DVD disc into the drive, whether it has copy protection or not?

The limited Video File formats that are supported. To conserve space over the years I converted a lot of my video Files to WMV. The PS3 doesn't support this format at all. What a bummer. I can't access most of my archived SD recordings from the PS3 without converting them again. This would be a very time consuming process. WHY WON'T SONY FIX THIS TO MAKE THE MACHINE MORE MEDIA FRIENDLY?

The PS3 will only recognize pictures in the JPG format. GIF, TIFF, and BMP are not supported. Again, what a bummer. Media friendliness issue, again.

These two items are definitely bummers. Most of the videos on my hard drive are wmv's too. Plus, about the first year of owning my 8 megapixel camera, I shot using all uncompressed TIFF files. So, the PS3 doesn't see them.

The other thing I'd like to see happen is the Internet Browser needs to support the latest version of flash so we can watch Flash Videos streamed from the web. I've been wanting to watch some ABC shows on my TV, but not on my computer. It would be great to get to display them on the HDTV via the PS3.

Those are a few incompatibility issues I have with it.

Since the Updated, My PS3 does a better job upscalling than my Oppo. The Picture is just much better. I tested few standard dvds and the PS3 is the winner compared to my Oppo.

Which Oppo are you favorly comparing the PS3's upscale to? Also, are you doing this test on a 1080p TV?

I read somewhere here that the PS3 with 1.80 passed some HQV Benchmark tests that the XA2 did not, but after all of the firmware thread chaos, I can't find it.

Which Oppo are you favorly comparing the PS3's upscale to? Also, are you doing this test on a 1080p TV?

I have the OPDV971H and I own a sony KV30HS420. I made the test at 1080i.
I should have mentioned this sorry. Don't know how good about the newer Oppo model are though, but on The model I own, the PS3 is the winner.

I agree that the PS3 is a better upscaler now compared to the Toshibas. I popped in The Incredibles DVD after the update, and for the first time I experienced that "near-HD" quality. The PS3 does a great job cleaning up the image, not to mention colors have more punch and everything looks sharper.

I've long waited to have a DVD player that would upconvert for my Sanyo Z2 projector, but does anyone know if the Z2's DVI connection will complete the HDCP "handshake"?

I'd hate to spring for a 25' HDMI cable only to find that my Z2 won't take the upconverted image.

I have the OPDV971H and I own a sony KV30HS420. I made the test at 1080i.
I should have mentioned this sorry. Don't know how good about the newer Oppo model are though, but on The model I own, the PS3 is the winner.

Thanks for the info!

I read somewhere here that the PS3 with 1.80 passed some HQV Benchmark tests that the XA2 did not, but after all of the firmware thread chaos, I can't find it. testing

hopefully, Kris will re shoot ps3, xbox add on, after upgrades and amend his

Ok, what does Double Scale mean? Is that the best option to choose?

The limited Video File formats that are supported. To conserve space over the years I converted a lot of my video Files to WMV. The PS3 doesn't support this format at all. What a bummer. I can't access most of my archived SD recordings from the PS3 without converting them again. This would be a very time consuming process. WHY WON'T SONY FIX THIS TO MAKE THE MACHINE MORE MEDIA FRIENDLY?


Well, more file format support would be great but I can't help but point out that once you start playing in Microsoft's court you lose the ball. WMV is not exactly a highly portable file format. It's tough to find a good one. I'd say that h.264 in an mpeg container is probably the most portable file format currently, but you'll still hit brick walls with older PMPs and DVD players.

Ok, what does Double Scale mean? Is that the best option to choose?
David Boulet had a pretty good guess (and rather detailed explanation) as to what it was in the HTF. Maybe he'll post it here at some point.

In short, it seems to upscale to less lines and windowboxes the image, meaning the picture is smaller (at least vertically), but the scaling may be of higher quality thanks to more direct math.

I noticed that "normal" on 4:3 material does crop a lot of image, at least on the bottom, so the windowboxing was almost preferred for me, and the image seemed a bit better. This was with very poor quality material from a burned DVD though.

On good material, folks with projectors might notice a marked image improvement with it, if they don't mind a slightly smaller image.

Hmmm. I'm wondering if this would be ideal for folks running 4:3 or 16:9 material on constant height screens? Of course they'd need to kick in normal for upscaling 2.4:1.

How does one know, before inserting a DVD disc into the drive, whether it has copy protection or not?



These two items are definitely bummers. Most of the videos on my hard drive are wmv's too. Plus, about the first year of owning my 8 megapixel camera, I shot using all uncompressed TIFF files. So, the PS3 doesn't see them.

The other thing I'd like to see happen is the Internet Browser needs to support the latest version of flash so we can watch Flash Videos streamed from the web. I've been wanting to watch some ABC shows on my TV, but not on my computer. It would be great to get to display them on the HDTV via the PS3.

Those are a few incompatibility issues I have with it.

I thought all DVDs that you buy in store have the copy protection on them. (i.e. that $500,000 fine and imprisionment warning that you see first when you stick it into the player).

Well, the media format limitation is a drag, but take heart, with the system only out for 6 months now Sony has come along with significant updates. (Granted it would have been good if all these updates would have been installed on the machine upon initial release) ;) . So, in another 6 months or hopefully sooner, it will have everything to make it the blockbuster Media Hub its suppose to be.

I can't say enough about the networking/ media streaming from my PC. This solves alot of problems for me and its quite a cool feature. I'm guessing a lot of people who were going to upgrade the PS3 hard drive for storage of there media don't have to do that any more with the new networking feature.

I could not get my music to appear on my PS3, it gives me an error

pictures were transferred without problems

can anyone help me out

I was having the same problem until I decreased the number of mp3s I was sharing.

I am putting a system together, and am interested in the upscaling feature of firmware 1.80.

My system will be PS3 --> new Onkyo 605 with Faroudja DCDi --> Sony 52XBR2

The question: which of the items should I allow to do the upscaling (PS3 or XBR) and which should I allow to do the upconverting/deinterlacing of the 3?

Any recommendations or personal experiencing in comparing?

Thanks,
Jeff

Can anyone please tell me which video formats are accepted? mkv, mp4, ts, etc etc?

I noticed that "normal" on 4:3 material does crop a lot of image, at least on the bottom, so the windowboxing was almost preferred for me, and the image seemed a bit better. This was with very poor quality material from a burned DVD though.

To be exact, on a 1080p 16x9 output, 4:3 pillarbox with left/right bars, there are 15 pixels cropped at each left/right side, which is around 2% on left and 2% on right. There is ZERO pixel crop at Top and Bottom. This left/right slight crop make sense as in this case both left/right edge will be inside the visible area and can't be affected by the display device overscan (if any). The top/bottom will always be affected by the display device overscan control so there is no need to crop/overscan from the source. (though I'd like to make that 4:3 left/right 2% crop as a option) If you manually switch to "Full" mode and expand the 4:3 image to full 16x9, then all the 4 sides will have ZERO pixel crop and all the DVD 720x480 pixels will be visible if the display device has no overscan. This is checked using AVIA pixel crop test pattern. IMO, Sony done well on the subject.

regards,

Li On

jasonAB,

I also have the Z2. The PS3 works 100% with it via HDMI-DVI cable. It's been this way since day one.

Are the 480p extras on Blu-Ray discs supposed to be scaled as well? I just tested the DVD scaling and it worked like a charm - but bonus features on my Blu-Ray discs are still playing in 480p.

Are the 480p extras on Blu-Ray discs supposed to be scaled as well? I just tested the DVD scaling and it worked like a charm - but bonus features on my Blu-Ray discs are still playing in 480p.

I noticed that as well -- It's likely just an oversight on their part.

Since the Updated, My PS3 does a better job upscalling than my Oppo. The Picture is just much better. I tested few standard dvds and the PS3 is the winner compared to my Oppo.

My experience was the opposite. The upscaling is definitely an improvement over their 480p output with my TV, but it doesn't quite reach the level of the oppo in my opinion. I suspect for some it may be good enough but I'll continue to use my oppo. Granted I only tried one DVD (Appleseed (2004)), but there seems to be more detail and it looks a bit sharper to me.

My TV is the Sony 55XS955, and I'm using the Oppo 971. The PS3 and Oppo are on different inputs and both were calibrated for the display.

I read somewhere here that the PS3 with 1.80 passed some HQV Benchmark tests that the XA2 did not, but after all of the firmware thread chaos, I can't find it.
Please find that, because it contradicts this:
We first started with the HQV test disk. We expected the XA2 to do well containing a Silicon Optix chip-- the Reon VX. It was outstanding.

Test1 - Color Bar/Vertical Detail -- XA2 and CII both score 10/10.
Test2 - Jaggies Pattern 1 - XA2 and CII both pass with 5/5.
Test 3 - Jaggies Pattern 2 - XA2 and CII both pass. [Edited] Tom and I agree
that we would score the XA2 at 5/5 and the Crystallio at 4/5. (the first surprise). I could see some jaggies on the lowest bar with the CII.
Test 4 - Test Waving Flag. - XA2 and CII both pass. Again Tom didn't see a difference but again I could see some minor inperfections with the CII. He would 10/10 for each. I would go 10/10 on the XA2 and 9/10 on the CII.
Test 5 - Picture Detail - here we had a slight problem due to the fact that the XA2 would only output the test disk at 4:3 and not 16:9. I've only seen this with the HQV test disk and not any movies. Here the CII looked a little sharper but I would call them even. I would call both 9/10, Tom might call the CII a 10/10 and the XA2 an 8 or 9/10 but I'll let him chime in later as we didn't record our numbers during the session.
Test 6 Noise Reduction -- here again I thought that the XA2 was superior to the CII without removing detail. I think we would both give the XA2 a 10/10 and the CII about a 5/10 or so as it becomes noticeably less detailed when noise reduction is turned on.
Test 7 Motion Adaptive Noise Reduction-- again significantly better with the XA2 than with the CII. Perhaps 8-9/10 for the XA2 and only 5/10 for the CII.
Test 8 3:2 Detection - the only test that the CII excelled on and it wasn't by much. It locked on instantly where the XA2 took between 1/4 -1/8 of a second-- what most users would never notice. The CII is 10/10 here and the XA2 8-9/10.
Test 9 Film Cadence - both pass with 10/10.
Test 10 Mixed 3:2 film with added video titles - both pass with 10/10.
Source Thread: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=782887

Come on guys. I understand the PS3 performs much better now that upscaling has been addressed with the 1.80 update, and it's possible it may actually getting passing grades on flagging film based content now. I am as anxious as the next guy to see Kris Deering do a follow up review. However, I highly doubt the PS3 performs better than anything using the ReonVX chip, which has been proven by many professionals in many tests to rival expensive external image processors. Lets get back to reality. :)

jasonAB,

I also have the Z2. The PS3 works 100% with it via HDMI-DVI cable. It's been this way since day one.

Likewise. In fact, I recently had to install a DVI>HDMI adapter on the Z2 end because I switched from a short HDMI-DVI cable to a longer HDMI-HDMI cable. It still works fine. I'm currently using an Evergreen 2 to 1 HDMI switch that auto-senses incoming signals and it too works flawlessly with the Z2.

Sorry if this has been already posted but here is the 1.8 Candence benchmark test-

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,2136482,00.asp

Continue discussion in the 1.8 thread: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=851929

thanks