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catman2 05-23-07, 06:56 PM I wanted to share and learn info on streaming media from Mac OS x to Ps3. New firmware for Ps3..1.8 allows streaming of media from DNLA compliant devices.(yay!)
I believe you need a DNLA compliant server app that runs on Mac. So far i've found eyeconnect at elgato website
has a good 30 day demo.claims to stream your movies/music and pictures folders from your mac to upnp devices
and Allegro, although that seems to be just for music.
VLC has a lot of streaming options, but not sure how to configure those options yet. VLC is a pretty robust app tho.
I want to stream video , and hopefully (.avi files in the future) to my ps3.
Anyone know more about what server software we can run to take advantage of ps3 media streaming in 1.80 update? Or anyone got results they care to share as update comes online!?
good call, i want to know too.
mpalmieri1203 05-23-07, 07:35 PM I too will be interested in this but I'm waiting for the update first
windwaves 05-23-07, 10:43 PM meanwhile, a Mac OSX related question.
Is there a way to download the PS3 system updates using the Mac and then get them to the PS3 using a cd-rom ?
It looks like it should be possible using a usb pen type of thing, which I don't have and then I would have to buy an adpaptor for the PS3.
By the way, I obviously tried tonight but of course the link on the PS3 web page for downloading the update (1.7) was not working.
In case you wondered, I don't have great internet access where I have the ps3, that is why I am looking for a way to do the update differently. I could simply take the ps3 to my apt (2 floors up!!!) where I have internet access (wireless) and do it there, but it's just a bit of a pain and should be avoidable. Also, if I had to do it this way, could I unplug the ps3 and connect it to my apple cinema display (DVI), just to get the update done ? would that work.
thx for any help.
I'm interested in streaming from my mac as well, I keep seeing DLNA and UPNP. What is the difference between the two and is DLNA what we are looking for?
-bish
catman2 05-24-07, 07:28 AM Eyeconnect works great for streaming
itunes music, includes playlists, (need to check .m4a). Great
works great for iphoto too, flawless and fast.
Not for video, have confirmed this with other mac users..including mp4 Ps3 format.
it's a great start..finally it's beginning to look like a media center!
Hanven't tried twonkyvison yet!
Union0015 05-24-07, 08:17 AM I use 360connect to stream to my 360 and it works flawlessly. Those guys should come out with PS3connect! Big thing will be to get videos streaming. I use that and music streaming more than photo streaming.
NewOrlnsDukie 05-24-07, 09:23 AM EyeConnect and Twonkyvision are probably your 2 best options right now wrt DLNA-compliant OS X apps.
I have eyeconnect on my macs at home, and was looking forward to trying them out (I'm at a conference out of town until Saturday, unfortunately. So I can't check to confirm the lack of video streaming.). I've found Eyeconnect somewhat quirky in the past, and have almost bought Twonkyvision about a hundred times.
Looks like this ps3 update will be the impetus I needed to purchase Twonkyvision.
I have a PPC G5. Tried out TwonkyVision last night. Seemed to work well enough. All music and photos worked well, but none of the MPG4 videos I had are formatted for the PS3. I did have a .TS file that worked nicely though.
uaswimmer1995 05-24-07, 11:49 AM I have an iMac core 2 duo. As for the Twonkyvision, is there a setup and user guide that is easy to follow? I have never streamed media before and that is one of the main reasons I bought the PS3 in the first place...finally it seems to be able to do that. Do I need to create separate folders that Twonkyvision can recognize, and then does the Twonkyvision program need to be running on my iMac before my PS3 recognizes it? I have an airport extreme base station for my wireless network as well (802.11n). Thanks.
I've installed Twonkyvision on my Intel Mac Mini core 2 duo, they have a 30 day free trial but I can't figure out how to configure my Mini so that PS3 can see it :confused:
I also have 3 Sonos zone players atached to a NAS drive and the PS3 is picking them up as media centers, so that's all good. :)
tauheel05 05-24-07, 12:52 PM great thread.
Once I installed TwonkyVision and restarted, it said the item in my startup folder needed to have it's permissions fixed (or something like that). When that was done, it automatically indexes all the photos/music/video on your computer.
When I went back to the PS3. A TwonkyVision icon was in the XMB under the new "search for network" icon. From the Twonky icon, there were three sub folders. Music/Photos/Video. You can view all or select a specific folder.
So other than installing the app there is no specific setup (at least for me). Since the "mediaserver" is in the startup folder it's always running and should be found on the PS3 when you start it up.
uaswimmer1995 05-24-07, 01:57 PM I have all my media files saved on a USB external drive connected to my iMac. If I connect the external drive directly to my airport extreme base station, do I need to install Twonkyvision (or something like it) to access the contents of the external drive from my PS3?
Once I installed TwonkyVision and restarted, it said the item in my startup folder needed to have it's permissions fixed (or something like that). When that was done, it automatically indexes all the photos/music/video on your computer.
When I went back to the PS3. A TwonkyVision icon was in the XMB under the new "search for network" icon. From the Twonky icon, there were three sub folders. Music/Photos/Video. You can view all or select a specific folder.
So other than installing the app there is no specific setup (at least for me). Since the "mediaserver" is in the startup folder it's always running and should be found on the PS3 when you start it up.
Mine showed up for three seconds or so then disappered :confused: How is your home network setup?
Have you been able to stream Xvid or better yet .vob files ?
:)
rgdigital 05-24-07, 06:33 PM For this streaming to work, do you need upnp enabled in the PS3? What is upnp anyway?
Here are a couple of other options:
http://cinzar.com/
http://www.redkawa.com/
Hey Guys...need a little help. I have an Airport base station hooked up in the living room. Anyone know how to get it to accept UpnP?
I've looked though all the Admin utilities with no help and it is not recognizing the connection. Once I disconnected the PS3 from it and directly to the wall, it recognized the other servers. I'd like to reconnect it again, but I'll need to figure out how to allow the passthrough.
Thanks in advance.
uaswimmer1995 05-25-07, 01:01 AM I tried Twonkyvision and Eyeconnect with my iMac, the PS3 found them initially, but I was denied access to the actual files. Turned off my firewall, and still a no go. Now, neither Twonkyvision nor Eyeconnect can be located by the PS3, although the Eyeconnect seems to "see" the PS3. I was stoked...now I'm frustrated. If anyone knows of a tutorial, I would appreciate it, because I'm ticked off right now!
What is upnp anyway?
UPNP is Universal Plug And Play. My PS3 is hardwired and haven't had time to try vob files yet or try much else. I do have one xvid video on my computer but it wouldn't play.
catman2 05-25-07, 07:17 AM video streams have to be mpeg1 or mpeg 2 files..it works perfectly if you have those..! :)
another format, guess i can bin my .mp4 files
Os X eyeconnect and twonlyvision tested and confirmed working
Andrew67 05-25-07, 07:47 AM For this streaming to work, do you need upnp enabled in the PS3? What is upnp anyway?
Yes. google is your friend. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Upnp)
http://cinzar.com/
http://www.redkawa.com/
Neither of these programs are worth downloading now that the PS3 supports streaming. I've never understood the Red Kawa product. Flash? Seriously, Flash movies on the PS3?
uaswimmer1995 05-25-07, 09:50 AM Update: Now, for some odd reason, my PS3 again recognizes the Twonkyvision and Eyeconnect media servers, but all data (which I have saved on external hard drives connected to my iMac) is "corrupted" and with the ones that don't initially say "corrupted," as soon as I click on one, an error message comes up in the right hand corner of my TV screen telling me that my access is being denied and I need to change my media server settings (this happens with photos, videos, and music). I have turned my firewall off, and my PS3 seems to be connecting to my extreme base station just fine, as I can access the internet and the PS store. What settings must I change? I have done everything I can to enable all file sharing and I'm still being denied access. Also, strangely, my iPhoto pictures are accessible, but the access denied message still comes up, but I can click on the photos and see them temporarily, but access is still denied. I cannot figure this out and don't know if it's a mac or ps3 problem.
Andrew67 05-25-07, 12:00 PM Update: Now, for some odd reason, my PS3 again recognizes the Twonkyvision and Eyeconnect media servers, but all data (which I have saved on external hard drives connected to my iMac) is "corrupted"
Are you running both Twonky and EyeConnect at the same time? I don't think that's possible, but if it is, try turning off one or the other. It's easier to stop EyeConnect but Twonky can be stopped from the command line. I think the command is
/Library/StartupItems/MediaServer/MediaServer stop
zarniwoop 05-25-07, 12:41 PM anyone able to get VLC streaming to work with twonky? I can get the ps3 to show the VLC stream icon, but it doesn't do anything. it acts the same whether or not a stream is actually running. This should allow you to transcode a divx file (for example) to a mpg2 stream on the fly. better than converting all those divx movies to mp4.
instantpop 05-25-07, 12:55 PM I've got a weird issue. Every time I connect, all the files can be seen, but then there is a delay before they can be used. Every time I select a song to play from iTunes, the PS3 says a network connection cannot be made but then goes ahead and plays it anyway, albeit with a slight delay. Just a bug or is there something I am missing?
andrewjnyc 05-25-07, 12:55 PM Trying to install Twonkyvision on my Macbook Pro was an exercise in pure frustration--post-install, I couldn't find any sort of app or interface for it, and it didn't do anything itself automatically upon booting. I think I'm gonna sit tight and wait for the Connect360 team at Nullriver to come up with something (also, anything they offer is quite likely to be at least $10 less expensive than Twonky's registration fee).
instantpop 05-25-07, 01:00 PM Look in your system preferences, andrew. That's where eyeconnect lives at least. And I think that Connect360 already works. That's what the peeps at Engadget were using.
appliance 05-25-07, 01:28 PM I've been able to stream MPG's to my PS3 using EyeConnect. For me, the trick is to ignore the "Access Denied" warning. It does appear, but if I wait the video will start for me.
I've also been successfully using VisualHub (the system won't let me post URLs so you'll have to Google it) to convert avi's and mp4 files to the correct MPG format. I have the "MPEG" tab selected. My settings are "NTSC" and the profile drop down I select is "TiVo". I've left the quality setting at Standard.
One thing I've noticed about EyeConnect is that it doesn't seem to automatically update the shared video folder with newly added files. I must stop sharing then restart for it to update the available file list.
I have not had any success viewing content from iTunes or iPhoto though. All my "folders" appear as if there is no content in them.
The video was the most important thing for me although it would be nice for it all to work. This whole process still feels "beta" to me, but why would you be reading this forum if you weren't the kind of person familiar with "beta" stuff, right?
appliance 05-25-07, 02:24 PM In my previous post, I said that music and photo streaming were not working and that the folders were showing up empty. That was true, but it was because I was accessing those folders under the PS3's Movie menu. When accessing through the Photos or Music menus, I was able to stream those pieces as well, although I am still getting the "Access Denied" message before the streaming actually begins.
My PS3 is connected to my router wirelessly. Perhaps if I had it hard wired the access to the EyeConnect server would be faster and not have that "access denied" message appear.
I use 360connect to stream to my 360 and it works flawlessly. Those guys should come out with PS3connect! Big thing will be to get videos streaming. I use that and music streaming more than photo streaming.
I don't have a PS3 (yet) so I can't test this, but 360connect just emulates WMP 11. I wouldn't be surprised if it actually worked with a PS3 without modifications.
Trying to install Twonkyvision on my Macbook Pro was an exercise in pure frustration--post-install, I couldn't find any sort of app or interface for it, and it didn't do anything itself automatically upon booting. I think I'm gonna sit tight and wait for the Connect360 team at Nullriver to come up with something (also, anything they offer is quite likely to be at least $10 less expensive than Twonky's registration fee).
The Forums are your friend:
PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2007 2:06 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
Yeah, there's no real GUI app. But instead point your favorite web browser to the following URL: http://127.0.0.1:9000
There you can configure Twonky to work. Point your directories to the appropriate media. Note if they're on other volumes, be sure to use the full directory. I've gotten mine up and running playing vids, music (supported formats only) and photos. Post questions if you run into trouble.
This is all you need to access all the management of Twonky. I'm with you, makes no sense why they just don't include a little readme with this fact. Some people don't understand anything about making a program user firiendly. Especially if they are going to charge us 30 or so bucks...don't know if this bodes well for their program or not. Just trying out the 30 day trial to see if I like it.
Andrew67 05-25-07, 03:30 PM I don't have a PS3 (yet) so I can't test this, but 360connect just emulates WMP 11. I wouldn't be surprised if it actually worked with a PS3 without modifications.
I tried that last night and it didn't work for me. At this point in time, EyeConnect looks like the best bet. I'm going to try and port a couple of the free Linux servers to OSX this weekend.
darkburst 05-25-07, 03:35 PM Trying to install Twonkyvision on my Macbook Pro was an exercise in pure frustration--post-install, I couldn't find any sort of app or interface for it, and it didn't do anything itself automatically upon booting. I think I'm gonna sit tight and wait for the Connect360 team at Nullriver to come up with something (also, anything they offer is quite likely to be at least $10 less expensive than Twonky's registration fee).
Had the same problem, access Twonky's settings via your browser here:
http://127.0.0.1:9000/
Was able to listen to my music library after I redirected it to the correct drive that I keep my music on.
appliance 05-25-07, 05:26 PM I've got 360connect on my Mac. I wasn't able to get it to work. If someone has though, please post. I don't want to buy extra software (EyeConnect) if I what I already own will work.
uaswimmer1995 05-25-07, 10:13 PM I tried Twonkyvision and Eyeconnect and am not having much luck. I cannot seem to fully delete Twonkyvision from my iMac, as the PS3 still recognizes it (I thought I deleted it from the iMac already). I am constantly denied access and then, very rarely, an MP3 that I was informed was unsupported will play, I'll exit the song, try it again, and I'm informed that (1) access denied or (2) cannot establish a connection or (3) the data is unsupported. Also, all my media on my external hard drive connected to the iMac doesn't show up. I think this update has bugs and it's making me very angry. Can someone PLEASE help! I have followed numerous recommendations and am not having any luck.
catman2 05-25-07, 10:33 PM video streaming works fine with twonky and eyeconnect just
USE mpg 1 and mpeg 2 files NOT .mp4 !!
it works great for everything!
i am doing this:
>After just selecting Personal File Sharing, iTunes Music Sharing (also enabling it in iTunes Preferences) I was able to access all of my music and movies using Eye Connect and iI have ZERO problems.
got one laptop on twonky and g5 on eyeconnect. works on both. just gotta be mpeg1 or 2
instantpop 05-25-07, 11:39 PM Ran into another issue. Using eyeconnect and playing music from my iTunes library doesn't always work. It'll play a track and then when the song is done everything just stops. It won't automatically move forward. I also get little asterisks next to every song title. Any ideas?
catman2 05-26-07, 08:21 AM "I have not had any success viewing content from iTunes or iPhoto though. All my "folders" appear as if there is no content in them.
Are you looking under music in the XMB, you have to be under XMB music to see that...
I have itunes sharing enabled, but not sure if that makes a difference, as itunes isn't
booted
Visual hub works great for me. I treid the transport stream option, but it didnt recognise..i'll try tivo profile today. I confirm i takes about 5-10 seconds and you get occaisonal error messages but it still plays....going to wire a cable today and test it wired..
NewOrlnsDukie 05-27-07, 02:10 AM alright, no problems streaming visualhub-transcoded (from wmv's) mpeg-2's in their "Tivo" format. If I didn't check the "Tivo" box, the mpeg-2 files were read as "not supported."
Interestingly enough, OTA eyeTV recordings stream video great, but no sound.
Biggest PITA for me right now is that it seems that, in order to update any changes to my folders, I have to reboot my macs.
catman2 05-27-07, 06:05 AM you don't have to rebbot mac, either get ps3 to refresh media server, or go to the twonky config page and hit restart server..tkaes 10 seconds.
Ive tried townkyvision and eyeconnect..so far twonkyvision is best, as it allows you to
set a streaming buffer size/it can find all your files that are compatible.Interface is ugly tho' !
I was running my 720p projector at 1080p and all the videos stalled , until i switched it on 720p and now I can stream whole movies perfectly. (HD72i PJ).
Padriac 05-27-07, 01:29 PM Has anybody confirmed whether h.264 mp4 or aac (non-drm) files will stream? These files WILL play directly from the PS3 hard drive. If these formats aren't supported, then there is no need for me to bother getting this to work.
That aside, I'm having the same problem as many: a bunch of error messages whenver I try to play a file, even a photo (using eyeconnect).
Andrew67 05-27-07, 01:56 PM Has anybody confirmed whether h.264 mp4 or aac (non-drm) files will stream?
I had no luck with either. I wasn't able to play my PSP movies, and I did not try a PS3 specific h.264 profile. The AAC is a problem for me as all of my music is stored as 192/VBR AAC.
catman2 05-27-07, 02:05 PM mp4 doesnt stream.nor avi.
using twonky vision..got some stutters on video(running the 4.4 beta for Ps3)
found lags were due to me running my pj at 1080p when its a 720p pj...when running at 720 no video stutters..HD72i PJ
have also found it hard to play more than one mp3, you show it an album ,but it doesnt play the whole thing !
I'm pretty sure what will stream or what won't is dependent on the streaming server s/w you are using.
The PS3 does also need to support the format, unless the server also converts/transcodes on the fly.
For example the PS3 can play AAC files, we know this, but WMP11 does not recognize them, so will not stream them. They don't even show up (because they are not in the "library"). WMP11 will stream .AVI files, but the PS3 doesn't support them, so they show up on the PS3 side as "unsupported".
Btw if you have an AVI file that contains MPEG, you might have some luck just renaming it as *.mpg. The PS3 just doesn't recognize the .AVI file name.
instantpop 05-27-07, 04:13 PM Ran into another issue. Using eyeconnect and playing music from my iTunes library doesn't always work. It'll play a track and then when the song is done everything just stops. It won't automatically move forward. I also get little asterisks next to every song title. Any ideas?
^^ Just wondering if anybody else was having this issue. ^^
Andrew67 05-27-07, 08:51 PM ^^ Just wondering if anybody else was having this issue. ^^
Yes on the asterisks. Don't believe I've had an issue with the music stopping. I'm using EyeConnect. Haven't experimented with TwonkyVision too much.
fxg97873 05-27-07, 10:16 PM I did it! MP4 streaming to my PS3!
Running a virtual instance of XP on a dedicated Ethernet Inteface under Parallels on a Mac Pro 2.66 GHz Dual Core Dual Processor Intel Xeon system.
Using rev 802 of ffdshow and TVersity's latest DLNA server release with their latest Sony V2 patch (no other codecs or packages installed)
Works beautifully :-)
(happy Mac person!)
All my handbrake iPod AVC files stream and display natively on the PS3 and my XVID/DivX stream and transcode (realtime!) very nicely.
My next goal is MKV but still extremely happy even if I don't get that working.
TVersity is the only DLNA server I know that has support for streaming AVC to the PS3 (twonkyvision and others do not)
mk2000 :D
instantpop 05-28-07, 01:53 AM Yes on the asterisks. Don't believe I've had an issue with the music stopping. I'm using EyeConnect. Haven't experimented with TwonkyVision too much.
Yeah, it's weird. I've got asterisks all over the place and nothing ever plays past the selected track. Everything is hardwired (new house has a network running through it). Kind of irritating as I'd really like to enjoy the new awesome feature...
Padriac 05-28-07, 02:01 AM I did it! MP4 streaming to my PS3!
Running a virtual instance of XP on a dedicated Ethernet Inteface under Parallels on a Mac Pro 2.66 GHz Dual Core Dual Processor Intel Xeon system.
Using rev 802 of ffdshow and TVersity's latest DLNA server release with their latest Sony V2 patch (no other codecs or packages installed)
Works beautifully :-)
(happy Mac person!)
All my handbrake iPod AVC files stream and display natively on the PS3 and my XVID/DivX stream and transcode (realtime!) very nicely.
My next goal is MKV but still extremely happy even if I don't get that working.
TVersity is the only DLNA server I know that has support for streaming AVC to the PS3 (twonkyvision and others do not)
mk2000 :D
On the one hand this is great news, on the other hand this isn't exactly getting streaming to work "from OS X". If I need to run XP for the streaming to work = it's not worth it.
redbill 05-28-07, 11:39 AM Yeah, it's weird. I've got asterisks all over the place and nothing ever plays past the selected track. Everything is hardwired (new house has a network running through it). Kind of irritating as I'd really like to enjoy the new awesome feature...
I also get the astericks, and the error message, but things still seem to play, but there is a small delay. And after they play, sometimes the files change to "unsupported format" but they still play... Anyone have any luck fixing these? I have my firewall turned off, and both computer & PS3 are hardwired...
Brandon B 05-28-07, 01:52 PM Another with asterisks but no issues playing the files.
BB
Kid Red 05-28-07, 05:25 PM I started this subject in the mac HTPC thread. I'll also post here.
I tried EyeConnect, mp3s play fine, but no iPhoto or any images, no mpgs show up
I've tried Twonky and mp3s play fine, iphoto images are no shown tho their folders are
I compiled a linux app MediaTomb and got it going, played video, but had to tweak mime settings because I compiled without a few libraries.
So for me, nothing has done all vids, photos and tunes. I don't run with a firewall, and have done all the settings I've read. I can't figure it out. After seeing Front Row, I don't think there are better options than FrontRow or ATV currently.
zarniwoop 05-29-07, 10:01 AM I did it! MP4 streaming to my PS3!
Running a virtual instance of XP on a dedicated Ethernet Inteface under Parallels on a Mac Pro 2.66 GHz Dual Core Dual Processor Intel Xeon system.
:mad: XP is not OSX. thanks for playing.
so it is an issue of the server that makes .mp4 unplayable? should be fixable if thats true.
instantpop 05-29-07, 11:36 AM I started this subject in the mac HTPC thread. I'll also post here.
I tried EyeConnect, mp3s play fine, but no iPhoto or any images, no mpgs show up
I've tried Twonky and mp3s play fine, iphoto images are no shown tho their folders are
I compiled a linux app MediaTomb and got it going, played video, but had to tweak mime settings because I compiled without a few libraries.
So for me, nothing has done all vids, photos and tunes. I don't run with a firewall, and have done all the settings I've read. I can't figure it out. After seeing Front Row, I don't think there are better options than FrontRow or ATV currently.
No videos for me, but photos definitely work. I still have the audio problem where one track will play and it's a total crapshoot as to whether the song after it will. Disappointing.
Not to sound daft, Kid Red, but are you making sure to check photos in the Photos section of the XMB? I didn't figure it out at first, either. I tried opening them while I was still in the music section because everything showed up.
NewOrlnsDukie 05-29-07, 11:44 AM Twonkyvision has done perfectly fine with photos, music, and mpeg 1 and 2, including from mac-attached hard drives. My biggest problems have been mp4 streaming and streaming from my NAS's.
Drewbert 05-29-07, 11:47 AM ....subscribing.....
NewOrlnsDukie 05-29-07, 04:01 PM alright -- just checked to see if I could watch a streamed video TS folder (from a ripped DVD), and, although it won't play the entire TS folder as one cohesive unit/ virtual DVD like VLC, you can play the .vob files individually, and they're even upscaled! I got dolby digital sound on it as well!
Bad part -- I am unable to fast forward, rewind, or pause.
NewOrlnsDukie 05-29-07, 04:06 PM hmm, that's odd.
the vob's after the first half hour of the movie have been quirky to say the least. 2 didn't have any sound, and one was read as 'corrupted data'.
Oh, and make sure you press the 'play' button rather than 'select'
NewOrlnsDukie 05-29-07, 04:12 PM now I think I'm going to try to transcode the movies with visualhub and see what happens.
It sure would nice to still be able to get the movies to upconvert
catman2 05-29-07, 09:46 PM 1.on eyeconnect you can pause and do basic fast forward, also remembers where you were if you re-visit file.
twonky didnt do this.
2.if found on my 802.11 g speed network,my mpeg2 files had to be under or about 2000kps ..(is that 200kbps?) or else they stuttered. i am using the mighty visualhub to cap bit rates.
3.Mp3 files still tend to pause,you show it an album and it plays one track, not the album.it's a bit shy !
4.i find if my server drives are sleeping,Ps3 will report 'unsupported' and not play file,but if i hit play again it will play.
currently running twonky and eyeconnect to see how each behaves (both on at once.)
it's nearly great.just a few more bugfixes allround !
NewOrlnsDukie 05-30-07, 12:25 AM on #4 -- same for me
no problems w/ albums or playlists on twonky
my recodes have had variable success
uaswimmer1995 05-30-07, 11:39 AM I focused on using Eyeconnect with my iMac and Airport Base Extreme. The Eyeconnect media server is picked up by the PS3, and it rarely allows me to look at photos and listen to music saved in iPhoto and iTunes. Usually I get a message that "access denied" or the server cannot be located. Very strange and buggy, and I don't know why some people have no problems at all while others, like me, are apparently stranded with no good way to stream content at this time. How could PS3s respond so differently to this update?
NewOrlnsDukie 05-30-07, 02:33 PM well, there are a lot of variables that come into play when we start talking about streaming media on wired and wireless connections.
Just to give an example, my setup has:
1 of my ps3's hardwired to an N airport extreme bridge and a mac mini, and I'm trying to stream media from 3 other macs wirelessly. The hardwired mini has been the only successful video transfer thus far, but audio and music have done fine on some of my computers that are being used wirelessly. The mini doesn't stream well, however, when my switch and bridge are in use, and it will give me a message that the computer is unavailable. Likewise, just the smallest quirks in video format (and audio format) can make a difference.
Then there are the added issues of network hard drives. For example all but one of my macs use an NAS for their itunes libraries (I have about 200GB of music total), and, with those, audio streaming doesn't work. On my Powerbook, however, the itunes library is on the hard drive, and streaming and album playback have been flawless w/ it.
So, network setup, file format, network activity, server app reliability, hardwired vs wireless -- all of these variables can come into play. The incredible variety of networks and setups just amplifies the problem.
The key will be finding the right formats and (hopefully) the optimal network setups.
I think the best approach is to start simple and slowly extend the variables. From my experience, hardwired macs w/ local hard drives do fine for most issues, but there is still an obstacle w/ mp4 playback and reliable video TS playback. Hopefully, through trial and error I can solve this problem, and then progress outwards to my wirelessly connected computers, then NAS's, etc.
It's going to take a while, methinks.
mjcoffey 05-30-07, 04:04 PM I just set up Eyeconnect on my G5 desktop and it works great for photos but unfortunately due to usage restrictions on music purchased on iTunes I can only play music I ripped from my own CD's. Whenever I try to play a song I downloaded from iTunes, the PS3 says it cannot connect to the server.
Mongoos150 05-30-07, 04:18 PM Still no way to stream .avi files from Mac (parallels / bootcamp is not an answer)...
NewOrlnsDukie 05-30-07, 05:30 PM were you trying an on-the-fly transcoding server app?
Mongoos150 05-30-07, 05:46 PM There are PC apps for on-the-fly transcoding (Nero) - but there aren't any for Mac, are there? I do NOT want to re-encode 200GB of video files :(
NewOrlnsDukie 05-30-07, 05:48 PM Mongoos -- no there aren't :(
uaswimmer1995 05-30-07, 06:10 PM The PS3, when used with Eyeconnect, seems to find all my media (I cannot seem to get any of it to play reliably), whether the PS3 is capable of playing it or not. So, is there any way I can easily find only those formats the PS3 can play without having to scroll all the way down all the files it finds? It seems somewhat pointless to have this streaming feature when there is no way to quickly find what files the PS3 can actually play.
Mongoos150 05-30-07, 06:40 PM PS3 can play:
* MPEG-4 SP (AAC LC)
* H.264/MPEG-4 AVC Main Profile(AAC LC)
* MPEG-1 (MPEG Audio Layer 2)
* MPEG-2 PS(MPEG2 Audio Layer 2)
* MPEG-2 TS (MPEG2 Audio Layer 2)
catman2 05-31-07, 03:17 PM For me, if my drive is asleep, eyeconnect or twonky tell me it's not supported, I just hit it again and it plays fine the next time.
You have to configure twonky if you want only certain folders etc to appear, otherwise you will get a massive list of every video ever on your hard drive...For eyeconnect and twonky, I just nominated one folder to look in for video, and I put my own subfolders in that for Movies/BBC etc etc
I think eyeconnect allows fast forward and pausing of video streams etc..Had no luck with h264 /mpeg 4 yet.
it seems tho' that PS3 is still a bit buggy with either server, certainly not rock solid, but if I cap bit rate during visual hub conversion on my wireless network i can stream fine.
Keep sharing your knowledge PLEASE ! we can get a bugfix list or a know issues list as we are all stumbling around in the dark together on this one !
freestyle 06-05-07, 08:47 PM I've installed Eyeconnect but it doesn't seem to see my PS3 (checking in the system preferences). And when I hit Media Server on the PS3 it finds nothing too.
I'm thinking maybe there's something I have to do in my network?
My current set-up works as follows:
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I don't even know where to start troubleshooting... Any thoughts?
freestyle 06-06-07, 01:11 PM ^^
Considering my above setup, are there ports I might need to open for Eyeconnect and my PS3 to work together?
Is the fact that my PS3 is behind a different router then the rest of my network a problem?
danggang 06-06-07, 01:26 PM ^^
Considering my above setup, are there ports I might need to open for Eyeconnect and my PS3 to work together?
Is the fact that my PS3 is behind a different router then the rest of my network a problem?
Yes. I had a similar setup (with two routers) and my PS3 (on router A) did not find my media server (on router B). Once I moved the PS3 onto the same subnet (i.e., plugged it into the same router as my Mac), the PS3 found the media server right away. I'm guessing that the PS3 only scans the local subnet when looking for media servers; using more than one router means you're using more than one subnet.
seems to work well for me...itunes and pictures via eyeconnect. I can also play my ripped video ts .vob files...although only in .vob sections, not as a coherent dvd. any thoughts that sony will add the ability to play video ts. folders as a coherent dvd? anybody doing this now? I't would take forever to convert these files into one playable .vob, or mpg or whatever.
freestyle 06-06-07, 02:52 PM Yes. I had a similar setup (with two routers) and my PS3 (on router A) did not find my media server (on router B). Once I moved the PS3 onto the same subnet (i.e., plugged it into the same router as my Mac), the PS3 found the media server right away. I'm guessing that the PS3 only scans the local subnet when looking for media servers; using more than one router means you're using more than one subnet.
Ah, great point there... thanks I'll try that when I get home.
I do want to keep my double router situation going though... (An unprotected PS3 is best for online gaming and making sure voice chat and game connections always work). Do you think it is possible to simply have them both use the same subnet address?
danggang 06-06-07, 03:52 PM Ah, great point there... thanks I'll try that when I get home.
I do want to keep my double router situation going though... (An unprotected PS3 is best for online gaming and making sure voice chat and game connections always work). Do you think it is possible to simply have them both use the same subnet address?
Looking at your diagram, even though you have the firewall disabled on the Linksys it still has to perform NAT. So I'm not sure you're gaining anything performance-wise by putting your PS3 on the DMZ port vs. any other port on that router. You may be gaining a small degree of performance increase by having the PS3 on the Linksys, rather than the Belkin, since connections between devices on the Belkin and the internet have to go through two layers of NAT.
My suggestion is to move your Mac to the Linksys, where the PS3 should then be able to see it. Even though the Linksys has its firewall disabled, your Mac should be safe assuming you're not running any unnecessary services (e.g., Windows filesharing). And you can always turn on the built-in (software) firewall on your Mac if you're worried about port scanning, etc.
Anyway, to answer your question, you cannot "piggyback" two routers that are configured with the same subnet address (e.g, 192.168.0.0); the purpose of a router is to pass traffic between two different networks. For example, your existing configuration may look something like this:
Linksys: IP subnet = 192.168.0.0; IP address = 192.168.0.1; subnet mask = 255.255.255.0
Belkin: IP subnet = 192.168.1.0; IP address = 192.168.1.1; subnet mask = 255.255.255.0
As I mentioned before, my contention is that the PS3 only looks for media servers on the same subnet, which I why I suggest you try moving your Mac/media server to the Linksys.
Hope this helps.
freestyle 06-06-07, 04:46 PM I'll definitely test this out tonight and report back.
The reason for my setup is that the Belkin provides GREAT wireless range and the Linksys does not. Also I have had some problems with online games when the PS3 is behind the Belkin. DMZ'd or not on the Belkin there are some games (NBA2K7 and COD3) that have game connection issues. When running with all security and firewalls disabled on the Linksys, I have avoided any online PS3 gaming issues.
And for whatever reason (and since it works, I haven't messed with it, my subnets look like the following:
Linksys: IP subnet = 192.168.1.1; IP address = 192.168.1.1; subnet mask = 255.255.255.0
Belkin: IP subnet = 192.168.2.1; IP address = 192.168.2.1; subnet mask = 255.255.254.0
I was thinking I could try forcing the Belkin subnet to 255.255.255.0 and see if that makes them share. Otherwise, I'll try the idea of putting the Mac behind the linksys and see if sharing the same router does the trick... Unfortunately that can't be permanent because the Linksys won't give me the wireless range I've become accustomed to.
Thanks for all the help!
Edit: This brings up another point about how PS3s work online... In my current setup I still am running a "NAT 2" for my PS3. Obviously the ideal situation to eliminate problems in online games would be to be able to run NAT 1, meaning no router in the way (ignoring the issues this might cause trying to get Eyeconnect to work). Is there any way to have network'd computers behind a router and from the same ISP still figure out a way to run the PS3 at NAT 1?
Kid Red 06-06-07, 05:34 PM I still never got EyeConnect to display photos, play videos, but it did play my mp3s. I turned on all photo sharing, and I don't know what else to do for photos or videos. Only mp3s played.
hiero4life 06-06-07, 08:05 PM I've downloaded Eyeconnect and have used it for mp3, photos and videos. To bad 80% of the videos I have are Divix. I'll have to think hard if I'll use it enough to warrant the purchase of EyeConnect.
freestyle 06-06-07, 11:14 PM I still never got EyeConnect to display photos, play videos, but it did play my mp3s. I turned on all photo sharing, and I don't know what else to do for photos or videos. Only mp3s played.
I know this sounds stupid, but I've read A LOT of people not noticing that you have to move to the Pictures XMB tab to see pictures... Apparently a lot of people try to view their pictures in the wrong column...
...just a thought for you... just in case. ;)
blkdog7 06-15-07, 11:18 PM There are PC apps for on-the-fly transcoding (Nero) - but there aren't any for Mac, are there? I do NOT want to re-encode 200GB of video files :(
Yes, there are on-the-fly transcoding apps for the Mac. Use VLC with Twonky to stream Divx, AVI, etc. to the PS3.
http://www.videolan.org/vlc/
Mongoos150 06-16-07, 11:22 PM I use VLC as a player, but wasn't aware VLC could simultaneously stream & transcode an .avi to Twonky(??) for streaming to the PS3...
catman2 06-17-07, 06:27 AM be grateful if anyone could give me some tips about vlc and twonky..i can get vlc streaming,but doesnt show up in the xmb...is there an option i have to configure in twonky?
thanks
alkie4life 06-27-07, 12:40 AM So has anyone resolved the issue with the "Access Error"? I can get all my media to show on the PS3, but I can't access any of it. Sometimes I'll get the error, click through it, and then it will display. Other times it won't. 95% of the time it doesn't. So how is everyone getting it to work? Also, those who are working, can you post your setups? At a bare minimum state if you have a single or multiple router setup.
I have the PS3 hardwired to the AEBSn and the MacBook wireless on a bridged AEBSg.
catman2 06-27-07, 08:33 AM alkie..might be worth posting a new thread. i get this problem too. about 50 percent of the time (seems like more since 1.81 upgrade) I get it, and ignore it, and it all carries on fine.
power mac G5.netgear router.ethernet cable.
i find twonky a bit less fussy than eyeconnect in this regard. also i find if my server drive is asleep then i get this error for the first thing i select, then it wakes up and behaves ! i do suffer random media stream stops with a message every half hour approx.
Any updates?
I've had no luck on the Mac creating any kind of video file that will play on the PS3 or even a CF card. My experiences mirror those of others in this thread. With my hopes up I finally caved and bought an Apple TV. That works well with music and it plays videos, but the photo playback is pretty sub-par. I was blown away with how fast the PS3 was at viewing photos from a CF or SD card. BTW, I'm using the latest version of EyeConnect software and have the latest PS3 firmware. Also, I've been using Handbrake (Version 0.8.5b1) and the latest version of MP4 Converter. Also, I'm hardwired ethernet on the same subnet.
I am getting really anxious because it takes forever to rip video files and I want to decide on a long term video streaming strategy -- Apple TV or PS3 -- before ripping too many files in an incompatible format. It sure would be nice if there was a single format that would work for both. Anybody know if there is such a thing.
Also, my sources are primarily home DVDs that I burned from a DVD recorder box, DVDs I burned from iDVD (some 3:4 and some 16:9) and some 720p mpeg4 files from my Xacti HD videocam. I don't have much confidence in the Apple TV doing much good with 720p files. The latest iMovie lists 540p as the largest export option. Isn't that 1/4 of the 1080p resolution?
Oh hi,
Well using Eyeconnect 1.1 I get itunes (AAC), iphoto (jpg) and itunes video mpeg2. However I use elgato TV (eye 200) and I record everything in mpeg4. Then using the turbo264 dongle convert to itunes. But the PS3 does not play them. My theory is the actual file is playable by the PS3, but it is advertised incorrectly in the UPnP CDS and thus the PS3 won't play it. The Eyeconnect product is not DLNA certified, basically it seems to be just using UPnP. Since Elgato is a DLNA member, maybe they will take it to a plugfest.
BTW you can go here to see the DLNA certified products:
http://certification.dlna.org/products/
Here's hoping,
Glen
Scmedic 12-23-07, 10:21 AM Anyone been streaming with the new upgrade?
I'm a new PS3 owner, and have been streaming from my iMac to my 360 for a year. The PS3 is the "best media hub", so how do I set it up? I got EyeConnect working, but can't access my pics, but move of my video's work...
Is there a way to access a networkable external HD? Cause that's an option too...
How bout high def streaming? Supported HD files? Anyone?
trapper1204 01-03-08, 01:37 PM Twonky works great.
I have a PowerMac G5 with an external USB Drive containing all my media.
I configure Twonky on the Mac accordingly.
I then plug an ethernet cable from the PS3 to the Mac.
Works great, very fast, no firewall config needed.
Travis
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