i own both systems and have never had any issues with my 360 to this point. well last night my ps3 bricked with less then 20 hours of use and 2 months of ownership. the problem is becoming more common and has to do with the ps3 power supply breaking down. i havnt used my ps3 for atleast a week and suddenly it wont turn on.

after doing a quick google search i have realized this is becoming a more common problem. then after talking to a sony csr i realized sony knows this is becoming a problem. the rep. knew right from the moment i explained the symptoms what the issue was caused by.

so those people who own a 360 and are thinking of switching to the ps3 over the system bricking issues maybe you should wait a little longer or atleast pick up an e.w. if you do get one. either way i thought the 360 owners should know so they know there not alone anymore.

I've played 2 ps3's in stores, but I've seen 4 others. 4 were frozen, and of the 2 I played.....1 of them froze during the motorstorm demo. Needless to say I won't be buying one of those consoles until they work out some kinks and get some software worthy of a $600 console. So far motorstorm, resistance, and F1 aren't enough for me to buy one.

I really want to want one.....Sony just hasn't given me a reason yet.

mine isnt even frozen. i simply wont even turn on and beeps at me like it hates me now.

Of course you going to see some defective PS3s, however no where close to the number of defective units the 360 had in the same amount of time sense its launch. Your 360 will eventually go down.

spoken like a true fanboy!!! Hate to say it but from how it sounds he is right, sometime down the road your 360 will break. Sony will fix the problem with their system while M/S ignores it and just keeps passing out refurbs

Your 360 will eventually go down

:rolleyes:

That's like saying "your car will eventually break down". No sh*t. Doesn't mean it'll happen in the next 5 years.
Anything with moving parts, or that generates heat will eventually break.

just about every 360 will die at some point. This is why I stress the extended warranties. As a tech and eng. myself, the 360 is just horribly designed for heat issues,make no wonder so many die.

As for the ps3's, thanks for the heads up. I've been trying NOT to play a ps3 yet in fear that I'd have to convince my woman that i "need" another gaming console. But if I do decide I want one, I'll keep an eye on this for sure. The Powersupply, is it external, or internal on the ps3?

just about 360 will die at some point. This is why I stress the extended warranties. As a tech and eng. myself, the 360 is just horribly designed for heat issues,make no wonder so many die.

As for the ps3's, thanks for the heads up. I've been trying NOT to play a ps3 yet in fear that I'd have to convince my woman that i "need" another gaming console. But if I do decide I want one, I'll keep an eye on this for sure. The Powersupply, is it external, or internal on the ps3?

its internal. this is why the ps3 fanboys laugh so much about the 360. they can call it a bricksupply all they want but if this same exact issue happened to my 360 i would have just bought a new powersupply and wouldnt have to wait 2 weeks to use my system again. i also would have to worry about my game getting returned with the new system there sending me (that is what would happen if i didnt have an e.w. on my 360 which i do).


i say wait on getting a ps3 the csr was fairly straight forward this issue is becoming more common by large ammounts daily. when you consider what games are available and we may be seeing the start of something major with build quality its just not worth it (atleast in my opinion).

i usualy buy e.w.s on anything $300 or more that i know i will be useing alot. in this case i just spaced out and forgot to go back to b.b. and accept there e.w.. does anyone konw if sony offers an e.w. usualy you can pick them up anytime prior to the original warranty expiring.

spoken like a true fanboy!!! Hate to say it but from how it sounds he is right, sometime down the road your 360 will break. Sony will fix the problem with their system while M/S ignores it and just keeps passing out refurbs


So how far am I away from bricking then? I have had mine since Dec 05 should be anytime soon right? Right? Also keep in mind it spent 4 months in the desert in Iraq so after all that what should I mark on my calender when it should just stop on me? Thanks?


PJ2

There's not enough publicly available information to know for sure, but I would be surprised if the PS3 failure rate is nearly as high as the xbox. I love the 360, but that is it's weakness.

My 360 quit working. I am debating buying another one...I may sell all my games and say to hell with it. XBOX 360 is junk.

My 360 quit working. I am debating buying another one...I may sell all my games and say to hell with it. XBOX 360 is junk.

well if you do buy one make sure to pick up the e.w.

For those whose 360s haven't croacked yet, especially the one that went to Iraq, good for you, you're lucky.

That said, just imagine for a second how UNACCEPTABLE it would be if, say, cameras (ie. Nikon, Canon), cars (ie. Lexus, Honda), shoes (Nike, Reebok), drugs (Pfizer, Eli Lilly), tires (Bridgestone, Goodyear), had the level of problems the 360 does. Can you say RECALL? Can you say Class Action?

It's just lucky all these dying 360s aren't catching fire, then Microsoft would have a real safety life/death issue, but since they're not, MS gets away with bloody murder selling such poor product.

I love the 360 in general, but come on, not many products get away with such high failure rates, that's for sure.

For those whose 360s haven't croacked yet, especially the one that went to Iraq, good for you, you're lucky.

That said, just imagine for a second how UNACCEPTABLE it would be if, say, cameras (ie. Nikon, Canon), cars (ie. Lexus, Honda), shoes (Nike, Reebok), drugs (Pfizer, Eli Lilly), tires (Bridgestone, Goodyear), had the level of problems the 360 does. Can you say RECALL? Can you say Class Action?

It's just lucky all these dying 360s aren't catching fire, then Microsoft would have a real safety life/death issue, but since they're not, MS gets away with bloody murder selling such poor product.

I love the 360 in general, but come on, not many products get away with such high failure rates, that's for sure.


So get started with that class action and good luck. I don't see it a luck personally I have 2 PS2's go bad and they are 2 years apart. No hard feelings thats why you have a choice to buy E.W for these situations. Simple as that.

I got the E.W. on both my first and second, but that's just because I knew how likely they were to die. But then I've had years of experience with Microsoft's product quality....

For those whose 360s haven't croacked yet, especially the one that went to Iraq, good for you, you're lucky.

That said, just imagine for a second how UNACCEPTABLE it would be if, say, cameras (ie. Nikon, Canon), cars (ie. Lexus, Honda), shoes (Nike, Reebok), drugs (Pfizer, Eli Lilly), tires (Bridgestone, Goodyear), had the level of problems the 360 does. Can you say RECALL? Can you say Class Action?

It's just lucky all these dying 360s aren't catching fire, then Microsoft would have a real safety life/death issue, but since they're not, MS gets away with bloody murder selling such poor product.

I love the 360 in general, but come on, not many products get away with such high failure rates, that's for sure.

i can name a few off the top of my head,

ps3 "disk read error". a class action was settled and sony later admitted there was a problem and the ps2 wasnt built with build quality in mind. once again the consumer got screwed and the lawyers made out like bandits.

sony lcos xbr1. class action is in the works and has already gone before a judge to ask for the case to be heard. i believe the judge agreed the case should be heard in court and sony responded by extending the warranty on the specific part that was the problem in the first place. sony still to this day states there isnt a problem with the o.b. it xbr1 itself but decided to extend the warranty anyways for no apparent reason. btw sony still sold many xbr1 tvs long after the defect rate went through the roof.

sony plasma tvs becoming defective by pixils blowing leaving black spots all over the tv. this is back when plasmas where still 8k-12k minimum. these tvs where blowing up pixils after just days of use. sonys response was we changed our warranty and you dont qualify for repairs. techs told me it didnt matter how bad the tvs where sony wanted them to say it meets sonys specs. the same move sony tried with the lcos xbr1 before some lawyers filed the class action. basicaly the techs said you needed so many dead pixils in the middle of the screen before sony would even consider doing anything about it. even then you needed to write to a board of sony reps. and ask for them to do something about your broken tv.

now thats just off the top of my head without doing any research. so there has been tons of issues from sony as well as ms. neither company is perfect and shouldnt be viewed as better or worse then the other when it comes to issues like this.

I got the E.W. on both my first and second, but that's just because I knew how likely they were to die. But then I've had years of experience with Microsoft's product quality....


So have I and my experience has been the same I still use their products today. This wireless keyboard Elite from MS has worked out great for the last 2 years. Personally for me I just take care of my stuff. I am not brand loyal I don't care where the product comes from as long as I am able to enjoy its use and it is worth having. I have a bad product I move on to somthing different.

P.S.

By the way any electronic product is likely to die. Nothing new here.

i can name a few off the top of my head,

ps3 "disk read error". a class action was settled and sony later admitted there was a problem and the ps2 wasnt built with build quality in mind. once again the consumer got screwed and the lawyers made out like bandits.

sony lcos xbr1. class action is in the works and has already gone before a judge to ask for the case to be heard. i believe the judge agreed the case should be heard in court and sony responded by extending the warranty on the specific part that was the problem in the first place. sony still to this day states there isnt a problem with the o.b. it xbr1 itself but decided to extend the warranty anyways for no apparent reason. btw sony still sold many xbr1 tvs long after the defect rate went through the roof.

sony plasma tvs becoming defective by pixils blowing leaving black spots all over the tv. this is back when plasmas where still 8k-12k minimum. these tvs where blowing up pixils after just days of use. sonys response was we changed our warranty and you dont qualify for repairs. techs told me it didnt matter how bad the tvs where sony wanted them to say it meets sonys specs. the same move sony tried with the lcos xbr1 before some lawyers filed the class action. basicaly the techs said you needed so many dead pixils in the middle of the screen before sony would even consider doing anything about it. even then you needed to write to a board of sony reps. and ask for them to do something about your broken tv.

now thats just off the top of my head without doing any research. so there has been tons of issues from sony as well as ms. neither company is perfect and shouldnt be viewed as better or worse then the other when it comes to issues like this.


Exactly and I own the 60" XBR1 and I don't have the green blob issue that so many showed in the thread on this forum. I worked at Best Buy and saw the blob In Cali and here in Arkansas. My build date is Nov 05 and I bought it Feb 06

This latest editorial from GIB is very much on-topic:

Rings of Red
Microsoft needs to act now on hardware failures - or risk losing consumer support.

With all the accolades presently being paid to Nintendo for the astonishing success of the DS and the Wii, it's understandable that Microsoft occasionally seems a bit put out by the whole situation. After all, the Xbox 360 sailed through the seemingly ambitious 10 million unit goal which was set for its first year or so on the market, and is outdoing Sony's PS3 in most markets - a situation which few would have dared to predict only a few years ago.

Given the circumstances, it's not hard to see why some more ill-advised comments from Microsoft executives regarding the Wii have seemed... Well, a touch bitter. Right now, Microsoft must feel like the kid who stayed up all night learning all the best combos in Street Fighter, only to arrive in school the next day and discover that everyone else in the class has decided to play marbles instead.

Nintendo's resurgence, however, doesn't really detract from Microsoft's success in real terms. Right now, the Xbox 360 is winning the battle which it set out to win - namely, the battle with Sony's PS3 - and is showing no sign of relinquishing its dominance of the "real" next-gen market.

I have always argued that this fight was Sony's to lose, and that remains the case; what's happened here is that Sony has slipped up badly enough, and fallen hard enough, to give Microsoft a clear shot at goal. The problematic PR, delayed launch and presently weak software line-up for PS3 are all fairly major concerns; the enormous price point, however, is the most serious issue.

Prior to launch, plenty of people questioned whether the market would support that pricing level - Blu-ray drive or not. The answer has returned, loud and clear; no, the market will not support this price point. Every day that Sony leaves the PS3 on the shelves with this unattractive price tag attached gives its rivals more of a head start.

With flawless execution, Microsoft could sail into the space which is being left by Sony's failures and build an Xbox 360 market share which would be practically unassailable. In some regards, that's exactly what it has done. Nobody can downplay the company's astonishing achievements with regard to software; the Xbox 360 has a compelling line-up of software on shelves, and an even more compelling line-up of exclusive titles in the pipeline.

Games like Halo 3, Bioshock and Mass Effect make Xbox 360 owners feel good about their purchase, and provide compelling reasons for Xbox and PlayStation 2 owners to upgrade. Indeed, in the top ten Most Wanted games chart compiled from user data on GamesIndustry.biz's sister site, Eurogamer.net, seven of the top ten titles are Xbox 360 games. Two Wii titles (Super Mario Galaxy and Super Paper Mario) make it into the ranking; only one PS3 title, Metal Gear Solid 4, appears.

It's obvious, then, that Microsoft is doing more than just making headway with the hardcore audience. Frankly, that battle is all but won, and the onus is now on Sony to demonstrate that it is capable of creating an offering for hardcore gamers that is as attractive as the one Microsoft has crafted.

The obvious criticism - which is no less true for being so obvious - is that there's precious little evidence of Microsoft's software line-up managing to break out of that hardcore market. The company still lacks not only the kind of Singstar, Eye Toy and Buzz titles which drive casual market adoption, but also the Final Fantasies and Tekkens which appeal to the vast mass of "average" gamers who lie outside the hardcore market Xbox 360 has so far exploited.

This is, at least, a well-understood problem, and one which is widely commented upon. It has, of course, done nothing to slow down Microsoft's race to ten million; but it may make the next ten million a lot harder to sell, and the following ten million almost impossible, if the issue is not addressed.

However, there is another problem which Microsoft faces at the moment - one which the company has shown even less sign of understanding, or addressing. It is the problem of hardware reliability and customer service, an area in which the Xbox 360 has a track record that is nothing short of utterly appalling - and an area which Microsoft absolutely must address, or risk handing the goodwill of the market back to its rivals.

Of course, this too is not a new problem. Microsoft has been slammed over the failure rate of Xbox 360 consoles, and its own poor customer service in dealing with that matter, many times before - British readers will undoubtedly recall that the firm was hauled over the coals on the Watchdog programme here only a few months ago.

This problem hasn't gone away; in fact, from a consumer point of view, Microsoft appears to have done precisely nothing to address it. While the attention of the media may have turned to scrutiny of Sony's failings, the vast numbers of Xbox 360 owners who have been let down first by Microsoft's shoddy manufacturing, and subsequently by the company's arrogant and unfair policies with regard to customer service, have increased. Their voices are contributing to a groundswell of unrest and negative buzz which will hurt Microsoft very badly indeed if it is not addressed.

The problem is clear. A large number of Xbox 360 consoles from launch onwards have shipped with manufacturing problems which have manifested themselves in the dreaded "three red lights" - an error code displayed on the front panel which means that the console has died, and needs to be returned to Microsoft for service.

The number of systems which shipped with these problems is a matter of some debate, but it's clear that it is a far, far higher proportion than the company originally admitted. Early claims suggested that Xbox 360 consoles were only failing as often as you would expect from any piece of consumer hardware - a figure generally agreed to be around 3 per cent. However, entire batches of consoles at launch were failing en masse - and the reliability, although it improved, continued to be poor for months afterwards.

Has this been fixed? Who can say - Microsoft has certainly made no promises regarding enhanced reliability for the Xbox 360 Elite console, so it's simply impossible to judge whether new machines rolling off the production line will be any better than their predecessors. Even giving the benefit of the doubt, that still means that millions of machines from the "unreliable" period of the console's manufacturing are sitting under televisions around the world.

This, however, is only half of the problem. For a new piece of consumer hardware to display a high failure rate is damaging, but not seriously so, as long as the company has a good system in place to ensure that customers' systems are being repaired, and goodwill is being maintained.

Unfortunately, Microsoft has made two massive blunders in this regard. Firstly, it has taken to shipping refurbished systems to customers whose consoles have died - not a huge problem in itself, but the reliability of these refurbished machines is also vastly suspect, which results in anecdotal cases where gamers have returned their consoles to Microsoft three or even four times, with each subsequent console suffering the same fault after a few months. These cases make compelling "horror stories" for consumers, and have been widely disseminated.

Secondly, despite its shameful appearance on Watchdog, and being lambasted by the press over its behaviour, Microsoft continues to insist that British consumers whose consoles have failed after its 12 month warranty period must pay GBP 85 (around 125 Euro) to have the system repaired. Its customer service representatives are adamant on this point, refusing to budge even when it is pointed out that these manufacturing flaws are clearly Microsoft's responsibility under consumer law, regardless of the terms of the firm's own warranty.

For Microsoft to rectify these problems will, of course, be painful and expensive for the firm. It is also absolutely essential if its head start over Sony, and the market goodwill it has built around its brand, are to be even remotely meaningful over the coming years.

To hardcore gamers, consoles are "special case" items; they are early adopters, generally have a large disposable income, and are willing to accept all manner of problems and flaws in order to enjoy the games they want to play. However, they are a small - if vocal - market. To everyone else, to the vast ocean of consumers to whom Microsoft must now appeal, if the PlayStation brand is to be unseated, a console is just another piece of consumer electronics, and it is subject to the same standards you would expect from your DVD player, your digital camera or your toaster.

You wouldn't buy a specific DVD player, no matter how nice the feature-set, if a friend had told you that he bought one last year and had to return it to the manufacturer three times. You wouldn't buy a certain digital camera if you heard that they routinely break down after 13 months, and you have to pay around a third of the original purchase cost to have them repaired. You wouldn't buy a toaster if your friend had that model of toaster, said it made lovely toast, but every couple of months it burns the bread and has to be replaced.

Silly examples? Not in the slightest; this is exactly the thought process with which the average consumer, considering a next-gen purchase, is presented. The Xbox 360 may be a magical box of wonders to the hardcore gamers enjoying the likes of Gears of War and Crackdown, but to the rest of the world, it's just another piece of consumer electronics. If they hear horror stories about reliability and customer service, they won't buy it - end of story.

Right now, those horror stories are proliferating; the word of mouth about Xbox 360 is that the games are great, but the hardware is a nightmare. If Microsoft is serious about reaching an audience with Xbox 360 which is bigger than the 20 million units achieved by Xbox, then that simply isn't good enough. It's time for Redmond to stop burying its head in the sand over this problem, and start coming up with solutions - before its unhappy customers become one of Sony's best assets.

Sony will fix the problem with their system while M/S ignores it and just keeps passing out refurbs



Last time I sent something back to Sony I got a refurb instead of a repair.

I will not be getting the next Xbox or what ever they decide to call it . I am on my 4th 360 , my wife is on her 2nd , I have to say it did last 15 months befor it gave her the old 3 red lights.

i own both systems and have never had any issues with my 360 to this point. well last night my ps3 bricked with less then 20 hours of use and 2 months of ownership. the problem is becoming more common and has to do with the ps3 power supply breaking down. i havnt used my ps3 for atleast a week and suddenly it wont turn on.

after doing a quick google search i have realized this is becoming a more common problem. then after talking to a sony csr i realized sony knows this is becoming a problem. the rep. knew right from the moment i explained the symptoms what the issue was caused by.

so those people who own a 360 and are thinking of switching to the ps3 over the system bricking issues maybe you should wait a little longer or atleast pick up an e.w. if you do get one. either way i thought the 360 owners should know so they know there not alone anymore.
Damn ... on the night before the big firmware update, too. GL to you on getting a replacement. 1.8 is kickin' arse.

My 360 quit working. I am debating buying another one...I may sell all my games and say to hell with it. XBOX 360 is junk.


Too bad, you'll be missing out on a lot of great games. Give the PS3 and Wii a try and you'll find yourself coming back to the 360 again. Nothing like have a new console without quality games to play.

Last time I sent something back to Sony I got a refurb instead of a repair.


That speeds up turn-around time for the repair center, you can't blame them for that.

What a Bizarro world thread. The PS3 has very low failure rates, and that includes thousands of people running Folding@Home 24/7. The 360 is notorious for failures, just look at the respective polls at this forum. Now you have to take many factors into account, but I don't think the OP's bad luck is indicative of the real statistics.

My 360 (Feb 06) and PS3 (Jan 07) are both working, but both have ESPs...

What a Bizarro world thread. The PS3 has very low failure rates, and that includes thousands of people running Folding@Home 24/7. The 360 is notorious for failures, just look at the respective polls at this forum. Now you have to take many factors into account, but I don't think the OP's bad luck is indicative of the real statistics.

My 360 (Feb 06) and PS3 (Jan 07) are both working, but both have ESPs...


What?

What a Bizarro world thread. The PS3 has very low failure rates, and that includes thousands of people running Folding@Home 24/7. The 360 is notorious for failures, just look at the respective polls at this forum. Now you have to take many factors into account, but I don't think the OP's bad luck is indicative of the real statistics.

My 360 (Feb 06) and PS3 (Jan 07) are both working, but both have ESPs...

you can look at those polls all you want the sony csr pretty much came out and said this problem is coming up much much more often lately. she knew exactly what the problem was the second i mentioned what it was doing. she was very clear on what the problem was and didnt need to go through sonys computer based breakdown of how to trouble shoot the problem.

all that together and a nice google search then you start to get the picture. these people claiming the same problem as i have all got posted over the last few months. in the sony forums there are quite a few posters who have the same issues but i believe the modds. keep locking those threads so they go away quick. i took alot of searching to find them there.

you can look at those polls all you want the sony csr pretty much came out and said this problem is coming up much much more often lately. she knew exactly what the problem was the second i mentioned what it was doing. she was very clear on what the problem was and didnt need to go through sonys computer based breakdown of how to trouble shoot the problem.

all that together and a nice google search then you start to get the picture. these people claiming the same problem as i have all got posted over the last few months. in the sony forums there are quite a few posters who have the same issues but i believe the modds. keep locking those threads so they go away quick. i took alot of searching to find them there.


They are not closing them because of new or related problems coming up at least hear at AVS Forum. They are closing them up because a sticky is at the very top that clearly states for PS3/360 problem threads.

Too bad, you'll be missing out on a lot of great games. Give the PS3 and Wii a try and you'll find yourself coming back to the 360 again. Nothing like have a new console without quality games to play.

I know...I am just a little disgusted right now. I have too many games to quit, I have been playing online with XBOX 1 and the 360 for 4 yrs.

I baby my electronics too being that I have big bucks invested in my system.

I am going to walmart and by the core and slap my HD on it.

Threads like these are so speculative, I mean do you know the exact figures on how many units have failed for the 360, PS3, and Wii? You can't rely on public polls or article that try to do a survey on the issue at hand. You'll never get an accurate answer unless you ask the companies themselves.

I recall some 360 users started getting brand new units, my 3rd replacement was brand new. Am I upset with MS? No.

My life doesn't revolve around the 360 but I do enjoy it. If it breaks, I'll deal with it and call MS to fix it.

I wanted to get a PS3 but it seems to me it just a BR player because there are no games for it. So if I was going to spend $600, I rather get a dedicated BR player.

Looking at nexgenwars website, the consoles don't seem to be moving much.

This latest editorial from GIB is very much on-topic:

Rings of Red
Microsoft needs to act now on hardware failures - or risk losing consumer support.



Source to this article please. :)

I haven't a clue what 'GIB' is and google isn't helping.

i can name a few off the top of my head,

ps3 "disk read error". a class action was settled and sony later admitted there was a problem and the ps2 wasnt built with build quality in mind. once again the consumer got screwed and the lawyers made out like bandits.

sony lcos xbr1. class action is in the works and has already gone before a judge to ask for the case to be heard. i believe the judge agreed the case should be heard in court and sony responded by extending the warranty on the specific part that was the problem in the first place. sony still to this day states there isnt a problem with the o.b. it xbr1 itself but decided to extend the warranty anyways for no apparent reason. btw sony still sold many xbr1 tvs long after the defect rate went through the roof.

sony plasma tvs becoming defective by pixils blowing leaving black spots all over the tv. this is back when plasmas where still 8k-12k minimum. these tvs where blowing up pixils after just days of use. sonys response was we changed our warranty and you dont qualify for repairs. techs told me it didnt matter how bad the tvs where sony wanted them to say it meets sonys specs. the same move sony tried with the lcos xbr1 before some lawyers filed the class action. basicaly the techs said you needed so many dead pixils in the middle of the screen before sony would even consider doing anything about it. even then you needed to write to a board of sony reps. and ask for them to do something about your broken tv.

now thats just off the top of my head without doing any research. so there has been tons of issues from sony as well as ms. neither company is perfect and shouldnt be viewed as better or worse then the other when it comes to issues like this.

I try to stay out of this forum, and I didnt post in the thread you created in the ps3 forum.. so I just wanted to point out something...

You signature apparently shows that for all the research you do on how aweful sony products are... you didnt learn squat. I would think with a track record like that you would stay away, but no, half or more of your setup is sony gear....

Sorry your ps3 died, hope you get it fixed...

why dont people start putting "...PLEASE CLOSE" in the title.

you're not the 1st. wont be the last.

That said, just imagine for a second how UNACCEPTABLE it would be if, say, cameras (ie. Nikon, Canon), cars (ie. Lexus, Honda), shoes (Nike, Reebok), drugs (Pfizer, Eli Lilly), tires (Bridgestone, Goodyear), had the level of problems the 360 does. Can you say RECALL? Can you say Class Action?

Actually, cars have recalls all the time. You may be surprised that Toyota leads the world in # of recalls, and they are generally known for their quality vehicles. Remember the massive Firestone tire recall a few years ago on the Ford Explorers? They were blowing up and causing wrecks/injuries/deaths. So complain all you want, its still just a gaming console, and MS is doing a good job getting them fixed and shipped out fast.

I try to stay out of this forum, and I didnt post in the thread you created in the ps3 forum.. so I just wanted to point out something...

You signature apparently shows that for all the research you do on how aweful sony products are... you didnt learn squat. I would think with a track record like that you would stay away, but no, half or more of your setup is sony gear....

Sorry your ps3 died, hope you get it fixed...

very true. i saw the xbr1 in person and couldnt resist. i see some rainbows and my girl really sees them so i had to stay away from DLP. thre wasnt any lcds in the size i was looking for back then also. i took a chance on the xbr1 but i also picked up a e.w. from b.b. (all at a huge discount price). the dvd player was a clearance special from b.b. which i also got very cheap since it was on clearance plus employee discount (my girl had a part time job there for a summer). the remote i love and hadnt heard any bad reviews when i bought it a long time ago (but it was sony so i picked up the e.w.).

sure i got alot of sony stuff and im not totaly fond of them but all companies have issues with there products. im not just pointing out sony i just wanted to make a point that sony was just as bad as ms since someone was trying to point out how bad ms has been with there quality.

Actually, cars have recalls all the time. You may be surprised that Toyota leads the world in # of recalls, and they are generally known for their quality vehicles. Remember the massive Firestone tire recall a few years ago on the Ford Explorers? They were blowing up and causing wrecks/injuries/deaths. So complain all you want, its still just a gaming console, and MS is doing a good job getting them fixed and shipped out fast.

exactly.

Source to this article please. :)

I haven't a clue what 'GIB' is and google isn't helping.

Sorry dude.

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Just the other day, I finally updated the firmware on my PS3 to 1.80. During that process, my PS3 almost died. I was scared shizless if you know what I mean. It was during the part at the very end, where it says hit X to reboot your system. When I hit X, it started to reboot, but at the point when the Playstation logo comes on, and it makes that sound, it just froze. It totally locked up on me. Then I couldn't get the thing to turn off. I had to turn it off by the switch in the back. Then I flipped the back switch back to standby and turned it on, and everything worked fine, but for a second there, I was really worried.

I bought my 360 at Costco on launch day, and that one almost lasted a full year, and then it died. I was able to exchange it at Costco for another one, and it was no hassle at all. I wish I bought my PS3 at Costco, but I was unable to during the whole launch deal. Now that Costco's changed their return policies, I'm not sure if buying a PS3 there now would make sense long term.

Costco only changed their return policy on a few select electronics. The PS3 or 360 is not one of them.

Merchandise: We guarantee your satisfaction on every product we sell with a full refund. Exceptions: Televisions, projectors, computers, cameras, camcorders, iPOD / MP3 players and cellular phones must be returned within 90 days of purchase for a refund.

http://www.costco.com/Service/FeaturePageLeftNav.aspx?ProductNo=11204333

well here is my update,

so today i finaly get my ps3. well when i talked to the sony rep. she assured me i was getting a new ps3 but what she didnt say was it would be a new "refurbished" ps3 (as the letter they put in the box states). my thinking is whatever i havnt had it long so the warranty is still good and there are no scratches so im fine with it (not really but what more can i expect).

so i boot the system up and everything is fine. i have to redo the settings and everything seems to be going like planned. then i try updating the system and it just freezes on me. im thinking that wierd and reboot the system. next time i start it up the picture wont come on and the system wont reset with the power button on the front. so i reset it from the back and it still doesnt work. 3rd times a charm becasue the tv now has a picture. now im trying to get my psnid back only to have the system freeze on the enter email and password section. so i go through the same b.s. with the system not displaying the picture and reseting it a couple times just to get the pic. back.

finaly i get the picture back up and now it wont read my ps3 controllers even with them plugged into the usb port.


so lets review,

1. i was promissed a new ps3 only to get a refurbished one.

2. this refurbished unit is extremely hot after 1 minute of being on (i really dont think the fans are connected right).

3. keeps freezing up.

4. wont display the picture through hdmi or regular a/v cables 85% of the time i have tried to turn it on so far.

5. power on front wont turn the system off.

6. wont read the controllers even when useing the usb cables.


now thats alot of problems that made it through quality control. i wonder if they even tried turning the system on.

well here is my update,

so today i finaly get my ps3. well when i talked to the sony rep. she assured me i was getting a new ps3 but what she didnt say was it would be a new "refurbished" ps3 (as the letter they put in the box states). my thinking is whatever i havnt had it long so the warranty is still good and there are no scratches so im fine with it (not really but what more can i expect).

so i boot the system up and everything is fine. i have to redo the settings and everything seems to be going like planned. then i try updating the system and it just freezes on me. im thinking that wierd and reboot the system. next time i start it up the picture wont come on and the system wont reset with the power button on the front. so i reset it from the back and it still doesnt work. 3rd times a charm becasue the tv now has a picture. now im trying to get my psnid back only to have the system freeze on the enter email and password section. so i go through the same b.s. with the system not displaying the picture and reseting it a couple times just to get the pic. back.

finaly i get the picture back up and now it wont read my ps3 controllers even with them plugged into the usb port.


so lets review,

1. i was promissed a new ps3 only to get a refurbished one.

2. this refurbished unit is extremely hot after 1 minute of being on (i really dont think the fans are connected right).

3. keeps freezing up.

4. wont display the picture through hdmi or regular a/v cables 85% of the time i have tried to turn it on so far.

5. power on front wont turn the system off.

6. wont read the controllers even when useing the usb cables.


now thats alot of problems that made it through quality control. i wonder if they even tried turning the system on.

So start the process to get another one. Not sure what you expect anyone else to say to this. You can't get your money back you now got a refurbished that has its own issue now push for a new system from the refurbished. The sooner you contact them the quicker you get your answers.

I've played 2 ps3's in stores, but I've seen 4 others. 4 were frozen, and of the 2 I played.....1 of them froze during the motorstorm demo. Needless to say I won't be buying one of those consoles until they work out some kinks and get some software worthy of a $600 console. So far motorstorm, resistance, and F1 aren't enough for me to buy one.

I really want to want one.....Sony just hasn't given me a reason yet.
if the consoles were in one of those plastic cases so no one would try to rip them off then of course any console in those conditions would freeze. you don't ventilate something properly then it's going to overheat. I want a ps3 too, but i want the onkyo 875 receiver more :D :D Time to start saving up :)

I got my 360 at launch and haven't had a problem yet. :D

I got my 360 at launch and haven't had a problem yet. :D

I would not be bragging if I were you....actually I was you....then it died.

I would not be bragging if I were you....actually I was you....then it died.


I am still bragging I am in the same boat as him, I have had mine since Dec 05 Thats why I have a warranty if it dies back to Best Buy for a new one. No different then my 60" XBR1 70" XBR2 PSP's
Directv HD-DVR.......... my computer parts. You get the picture

"I would not be bragging if I were you....actually I was you....then it died. "

Same here! Its kinda like being on the cover of Madden. You just jinxed yourself.

I have no sympathy for this guy, he is obviously looking for trouble posting this in the xbox forum. Why is this not locked?

why should it be locked because someone small minded like you cant handle a conversation like this? im not arguing with anyone but you and some ps3 fanyboys sure cant get enough of going at someone with 2 bad ps3s.

did i say anything bad about sony? no. i just stated people here might like to know a sony csr confirmed to me there systems have been locking up lately. how the heck is something like that an attack or worth arguing over. you seem to think it is becuase you cant seem to handle it. maybe one day you will grow up and stop fanboying. then maybe you will have some conversations worth having.

good luck because i wont be responding to any of your posts anymore. your just not worth my time.