Official Westinghouse TX Series ( TX-42F430S, TX-47F430S ) Owner's Thread [Text View] - Page 10

Xcalibur_255

08-01-07, 12:20 PM

I'm a relative newbie when it comes to configuring TVs. Heck, until Jul 3rd I was still using a good ol' 27" CRT. That's when I got my 42F430S. Immediately it showed up deficiencies in my DVD player so I got an Oppo 970HD. Today I got my Digital Video Essentials DVD and played with this.

The Oppo is set to output in 1080i, connected to HDMI1. (I didn't see any real difference if using 720p).

Since this is an SD source being upconverted I'm not sure just how useful the "sharpness" test is.

Two things showed up strongly. Firstly the black level value isn't consistent. Setting black on a low intensity PLUGE image and then switching to a high intensity image shows that black changes level. This definitely showed up in some of the "flashing" test screens later in the disk; the black level bars would fade in and out as the picture intensity changes.

The second is that "green" appears to be distorted (blue and red look just fine through the filters, but green is definitely off). With the temperature set to "warm" the green was _less_ bad, but it was still wrong. However, to my eye, the picture looks better when the temperature is set to neutral. I'm probably wrong, but then this is subjective to a degree :-)

So... I set contrast and brightness using the SMTPE image then set the saturation/hue from their modified colour test pattern.

This actually resulted in higher contrast, lower brightness settings than if I tried to set it from the PLUGE itself and a lower backlight because the overall image picture appeared brighter.

Results:
Brightness=47
Contrast=80
Saturation=58
Hue=55
Sharpness=18
Backlight=30

Other issue... I can't seem to get 5.1 audio out of it. First I tried connecting the DVD player (via HDMI) to the TV and then optical from the TV to my Technics receiver. Whilst there appeared to be surround sound, it wasn't being registered as 5.1 on the receiver. A direct connection from the player to the receiver showed proper 5.1 audio. Similarly, ATSC broadcasts didn't register as 5.1 on the receiver, even though the surround speakers were active. I'm not sure where the issue is there.

For OTA I also see "data" in the top line on some channels. Not sure if this is the receiver not processing the HD signal properly, or the broadcaster sending out of spec. Didn't spot anything conclusive in this thread, either way. And, of course, the purple line, which can be defeated by interlace setting _or_ by switching aspect ratios around (the line appears sometimes when the channel summary box appears; switching aspect ratios through fill/overscan/normal gets rid of it).

In all other respects the unit appears to work fine; no power up issues, no broken pixels.

All in all I'm happy with this TV. May still need to do more fine tuning of the picture. But so far so good.

You arrived at similar settings to mine. I would advise lowering the contrast a few points to avoid clipping (the color will drop a couple points too), but if your dvd player's output levels are a tad low that number may be right for you for all I know. :) I did end up with even lower brightness than you, set via the pluge pattern which was always consistently reliable for setting black level until I met this tv. Attempting the same using the SMPTE pattern demanded a brightness setting of over 60 before the 5 IRE box inlay would become visible and the entire black level was clearly too high and compromised so I just decided to go with the pluge results. I too have noticed the varying black level like you point out. It's quite reminiscent of poor DC restoration isn't it? Especially odd since LCD is immune to it. My suspicion is that the dynamic contrast circuits are not totally off even when the feature is turned off. I've noticed the green color inaccuracy too, but it varies depending upon what input resolution the tv is receiving. It's unnoticable with HD signals, but I've occasionally noticed green looking a bit off with SD content. Mostly in yellows which clearly show a hint of green tint to them, but it's not consistently a problem. With cable no conclusions can be drawn because often times the channel itself has it's level off and is the source of the problem.

Lutch

08-01-07, 02:23 PM

I too have noticed the varying black level like you point out. It's quite reminiscent of poor DC restoration isn't it? Especially odd since LCD is immune to it. My suspicion is that the dynamic contrast circuits are not totally off even when the feature is turned off. I've noticed the green color inaccuracy too, but it varies depending upon what input resolution the tv is receiving. It's unnoticable with HD signals, but I've occasionally noticed green looking a bit off with SD content. Mostly in yellows which clearly show a hint of green tint to them, but it's not consistently a problem. With cable no conclusions can be drawn because often times the channel itself has it's level off and is the source of the problem.

I am starting to think the same thing regarding the dynamic contrast, I've noticed a couple of times the darkness shift after going form a light to dark scene, just like the DC does when called upon. I have it turned off in the user settings, I got sick and tired of seeing the DC do the Contrast shift during a light to dark scene, it happens way too often to be acceptable to me. My issue isn't that it does the compensation, but there is a delay in the compensation that is just unacceptable as it becomes VERY distracting to me, especially when the scene is flipped back and forth in a conversation. But I've noticed the shift every now and then without the DC on. Possibly the PS3 is doing something, since I use that as my DVD player.

I only really notice the green color shift on the shadows of peoples faces, it's distracting, but I can live with it.

cosmichippo

08-01-07, 02:33 PM

I would like to publicly apologize to Mr. Robert Heron of PCMag for quoting his comments from a private email in this forum without permission.

The quotes appeared in #2240.

The footer in his email stated that it was not for quoting or redistribution. I didn't intentionally disregard this but just didn't read the footer before posting.

If you have quoted any of the information that I credited to him in my post here or elsewhere please edit or delete these quotes asap.

I can't apologize enough. I just wanted to share info. It was truly bad form though.

Let's all just look forward to his review and please don't question him about it until it appears on the PCMag site.

Thanks and sorry,
Mike

roaf85

08-01-07, 02:35 PM

nascar24

08-01-07, 03:02 PM

Well I couldn't help myself and bought the 47" TX today, Wont have it delivered till Aug. 11th though. Heres crossing my fingers it turns out to be a good one. I'm coming from the LVM-37W1. Was wondering to myself if it was worth the price for the 10" Jump. Other than this panel looking a lot more refined then my 37". I was torn between ordering the LVM-47W1 and this one. Decided on this one as it appears maybe some of the annoyances were fixed in this one such as a more responsive remote and a big one I don't see many complaining about Banding witch I did have one band down the side on my 37", Going to be using it for everything as I used my 37W1 for. Main computer monitor which I will get to test out the new native support of HDMI w/sound on my HD2900XT card. And of coarse TV.

Lutch

08-01-07, 03:05 PM

Does the Best Buy PSP shift over if they replace your TV with a new set or do they prorate the PSP and try to make you buy a new one?

Also as far as the set breaking in the first year, do you have to ship it back to Westy or do they have a tech come out the house?

I am really conflicted on buying the PSP. I have 27 more days to buy it and I could probably afford it...but besides the flickering (which I have not encountered yet) is this TV really that problematic.

None of my family has ever had a problem with this brand. Sony on the other hand...

My experience was not with the PSP but within the 30 return period. The Tech guys came to my house looked over the TV then gave me a return receipt to take the unit back to BB to get a refund or a new TV. But I believe when the TV is covered by the PSP BB handles all repair requirements. If the tech guys need it to go back to Westinghouse they send it on their dime, not yours, one of the reasons I got the PSP. From what I can gather regarding Westinghouse's warranty they DO NOT cover shipping for repairs.

jskibo

08-01-07, 03:47 PM

Been looking for a new computer monitor for awhile. Was using the 32, but hated the limited resolution.....8800GTS 640MB was being wasted :)

I tried a Viewsonic VM2835 27.5", but its a TN panel and angles are horrible. Straight on viewing with eye level at center is great. But I don't sit and work, play, surf or view dead center on my desk. Wasn't going to work. Was really considering the Dell 30", but the price turned me off comparing it to 1080P panels with more space.......

I broke down and bought a 42" TX yesterday after reading most of the thread here. Appreciate all 76 pages of comments so far and user experiences! It replaced a 32" 720P westy I was using as a PC monitor (Actually we have 4 of the 32" ones). I went ahead and got the PSP from BB as one of the four 32" ones had a huge LCD bleeding issue 2 weeks after the warranty expired (4 inch x 1 inch green blotch left of top center with a green line trailing almost to the bottom of the screen 3 or 4 pixels wide). Not worth fixing out of warranty. $150 saves me any future headaches and who knows, may end up with a better panel down the road if this goes south.....

Only had a few minutes to play with it last night.

Hooked up to the PC (EVGA 8800GTS card via DVI > HDMI) Picture is amazing. makes the 32's look tiny (and they were big to me when we bought them). Moving from 1360 x 768 to 1900 x 1080 really is a joy to the eyes! Played a few minutes of Far Cry and STALKER on it and enjoyed it completely. Gaming will take on a whole new meaning :) Going to try FEAR and WWIIonline this weekend, maybe some Oblivion

Haven't tried the Xbox 360 yet or any DVD player

Running through a Direct TV HD20 box and the picture is fantastic. Blacks aren't as good as the plasma in the other room (nor should they be), but much better than the 32" Westy. SD looked good, but you can really see the video compression artifacts now.

Size is perfect for me. I sit about 3 ft back with my legs up on the side of the desk, keyboard in lap. Viewing angles are good in this position, no darkening or color shifting. Size fills my field of view without having to move my head around to see the screen.

Now the bad news........My wife saw it and I had to go buy another one for her desk today! GRRRR

(so now we have 4 32" Westy's, 2 42" TX Westys and a Vizio 42" Plasma......Along with 6 computers....Can I have my geek badge?)

Geetar

08-01-07, 03:52 PM

jskibo,

If you lose a remote - you're covered:)

roaf85

08-01-07, 04:11 PM

jskibo I would give your wife the geek badge first. A 42 inch PC monitor for her desk. :eek:

Hell and all my lady friends tell me I am spoiled for having the 20 inch 2005FPW I have for my computer monitor

nascar24

08-01-07, 04:25 PM

lol, My 37W1 dwarfs my 2005FPW which I still use as a second monitor, Now when I get my 47" TX I can use my 37" as my secondary monitor lol! Wont happen not quite enough room on the desk. For that matter my 2005FPW will get pushed to the top of my HD recorder and off the desk when my 47 arrives.

jterp7

08-01-07, 04:51 PM

jskibo- lol i'm assuming the wife didn't give u the okay the first time around hence the surprise?

in my case she finally gave in just so I could stop talking about it..of course when I came home, she's like wow thats really huge

Smitty2k1

08-01-07, 05:11 PM

So far I only had a chance to play some PS2 via component video... the Westinghouse seemed to do a great job scalling/deinterlacing the 480i image.

Then I borrowed a friend's xbox360 and plugged it in via component cables as well! I played Fight Night and MLB2k7 in 1080p and WOW did it look good! No overscan, no flickering problems, no dead pixels, just hotness!

This is my first HDTV and hopefully it lasts forever! Very satisfied, unfortunately it got boxed back up and put in storage until I move into my new apartment here in a few weeks.

jskibo

08-01-07, 05:11 PM

I never wait for the OK, I just show up with stuff. If she likes it I need to buy 2. She kind of knew this was coming when UPS delivered the Viewsonic last week and within 3 days it was off my desk and back in the box.

We're training little geeks too, the 8 year old daughter got one of the 32's last week. Her first comment when she saw mine was, "So when am I getting my new 42"" Grrrr, I need a secret basement room for this stuff!

Xcalibur_255

08-01-07, 05:51 PM

I am starting to think the same thing regarding the dynamic contrast, I've noticed a couple of times the darkness shift after going form a light to dark scene, just like the DC does when called upon. I have it turned off in the user settings, I got sick and tired of seeing the DC do the Contrast shift during a light to dark scene, it happens way too often to be acceptable to me. My issue isn't that it does the compensation, but there is a delay in the compensation that is just unacceptable as it becomes VERY distracting to me, especially when the scene is flipped back and forth in a conversation. But I've noticed the shift every now and then without the DC on. Possibly the PS3 is doing something, since I use that as my DVD player.

I only really notice the green color shift on the shadows of peoples faces, it's distracting, but I can live with it.
Just a quick note in case I confused anybody. The term DC Restoration doesn't mean dynamic contrast (it's easy to think DC stands for that). It actually refers to DC current. It was a term used with CRT sets to describe the phenomenon of their black level raising as overall picture brightness went up. DC Restoration is meant to combat this, but only very good CRT sets actually succeeded. Hence the term having poor DC Restoration means the black level fluctuation exists.

Panasonic plasmas experience this too for what I believe is an unrelated reason.

It's possible this is applicable to the situation at hand, but my knowledge of the electrical aspects of LCD backlights is quite limited so I couldn't say. It's generally stated by professionals that LCDs are immune to the problem, but whether that's because of the inherent design or just because robustness of the design has eliminated it I'm not sure.

Woobieizer

08-01-07, 07:44 PM

..Heres Whats NEW This is a work in progress....
EPG channel guide.. question The issue Post 2223 cheerful EPG (Electronic Program Guide) Lists all station you have scanned, minus thoes you have check off to ignore, but will only display "Guide info" on the current station being viewed 'within digital broadcasting family'. Please Confirm your OTA EPG

Thanks for putting them together. Do you mean this the right behavior and there is only one view? Maybe I am just confused by the manual.

I also have problem with one HDMI port: no audio and 480p only (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=11181127&&#post11181127)

Sorry for the confusion. I have seen a similiar issue with OTA EPG, and this was a request for Other Users to help by confiming what you posted.

Thanks, If the wording is unclear then it would be likely that most saw it that way also.
I will rephrase the original post.

cheerful

08-01-07, 08:12 PM

cheerful

08-01-07, 11:13 PM

Here is my calibration result. I am not an expert.

Brightness 45. I can't get the outer box to disappear so I settle at close value
Contrast 75 -- If go by the test, should be 80
Saturation 50
Hue 51
Sharpness 10
Backlight 0
DC off

cheerful

08-01-07, 11:27 PM

disbthai

08-01-07, 11:52 PM

Please list your Video calibration. I'm trying to set my TV for the best possible video output. thanks

elenaran

08-02-07, 01:18 AM

3a. The component input processing

Thanks!

I would say try it with HDMI and see if it makes a difference

gadame1

08-02-07, 02:18 AM

This is my first time I posting in this forum, I'm form Monterrey Mexico.
I wold like to tell about my situation, I was purchased a Polaroid 42", with this one, I was so disappointed about the total bad quality of the product, so I decide to return back the bad Polaroid.

I was found the Hitachi Plasma 42HDS69, so I'm happy with this excellent Hitachi, just some little disappointing that the panel is 1024 x 1080i, so I just can see a 1080i resolution, actually is very good image, the other concern is about some effect caused by that resolution I guess, I'm referring to the borders of some diagonal image, I mean for example some images shapes is not total clean, it is distorted by little steps, I don't know if I explained well, apology by my the bad English, Can some body known what is named this image defect?.

Ok, I was wondered when I found the Westinghouse TX models 1080P, but regarding to the audio Issue, I think is not capable to get out 5.1 DD via SPDF output connection, in fact the TV doesn't have the DD logo.

Can some owners of this good TV, talk about the politics of defective pixels by escuer inch, there are some companies that have that kind of politics, permitting a certain quantity of defect pixels by escuer inch, I know like Sony they don't permit any defected pixel in the complete panel, so do any body have been detect this issue in Westinghoyse TX models?

Tavo...

cheerful

08-02-07, 09:14 AM

I would say try it with HDMI and see if it makes a difference

That's an expensive option for Xbox 360. :(

bhazard

08-02-07, 10:33 AM

I played the soccer game on Xbox 360 using component input @ 1080p and I have a couple of observation. My friend has Sharp Aquos LC42D72U and I am comparing to it -- not fair I know but as a reference.

1. The text is not as sharp on the Westy. It's not clear to me what is the cause. I've ordered a new video card for the PC. So I will try 1080p from PC later on to check the text.

2. When a shot is fired and the ball moves at high speed, there is no ghosting at all.

3. When the background moves fast, such as a long goal kick, the image blurs more than the Sharp. I know the difference in response time (8ms vs 4ms). Would it show up in this type of scenes?

I've watched the snow leopard chasing scene from Planet Earth via VGA at 1080p. The background blurs. However, the snow leopard remains very sharp. So this left 2 places that could be wrong.

3a. The component input processing
3b. Xbox 360 output

Has anyone had experience playing Xbox 360 using component connection?

Thanks!

It is component in general. Using the VGA cables for the 360 on this TV produces a nicer picture with less blur.

Edit: Didnt see that you used VGA already. Most likely the background blur in planet earth (i saw it too a little bit) comes from the fact that the player is being handled through software / 360 output.

sangwpark

08-02-07, 12:34 PM

ugh....my TV died...only 2 weeks old! Yup...e.saver....

Such a great deal...but I cannot have a TV die on me just because I put the TV on e.saver. Returning/getting refund on this beautiful but faulty TV set.

Sang

jterp7

08-02-07, 12:38 PM

wow.. bought mine on 7/15..still using e.saver..fingers crossed 2wks and 3 days lol

nascar24

08-02-07, 12:59 PM

I have a hard time believing esaver is causing the TV to die, Just bad luck, Reminds me of every new game that comes out for the XBOX 360 bricks the console. :rolleyes:

bhazard

08-02-07, 01:00 PM

Lutch

08-02-07, 01:15 PM

cheerful

08-02-07, 01:33 PM

It is component in general. Using the VGA cables for the 360 on this TV produces a nicer picture with less blur.

Edit: Didnt see that you used VGA already. Most likely the background blur in planet earth (i saw it too a little bit) comes from the fact that the player is being handled through software / 360 output.

I think the background blur in PE is simply the source is blurred -- camera is in motion and the main subject remains in focus. So I ruling out the panel itself can't deal with moving background.

bhazard

08-02-07, 01:55 PM

I'm curious if this lock up issue happens because of the order in which you turn your devices on? I know my first one died, or happened to die at the same time, when the PS3 was turned on before the TV. I also have issues with the receiver not getting a signal if I turn that on first as well. I've come to realize that you turn the TV on let it connect to the coax then turn everything else on. I have a feeling this is an issue that can be fixed with a firmware update that may or may not ever come.

So my advice to everyone is to use a rule of thumb: ALWAYS TURN YOUR TV ON FIRST, THEN YOUR PERIPHERALS.

Interesting, the lockup happened for me when the TV wasn't being fed a signal first. I always let the TV autosource itself on when I turn a device on (on normal).

I noticed that if you let the DPMS turn off the TV on E. Saver, that the TV behaves just like it would on the Normal setting. The TV wont show a W logo unless you power the tv off by remote or side button.

x84HurstOlds

08-02-07, 02:05 PM

No, I'm sure the Insignia doesn't compare at all. I am curious if anyone has experience with them.

So, do you have any problems with your set at all? Flickering, lockups, freezing? How does your SD look? I need to hear something from someone that hasn't had problems, because really, there are A LOT of posts indicating problems.

As you will find in any of these threads. Most people are only going to post, "Man, this is a great TV!" once, if at all. People come to forums like this because they have problems, and avsforum users in particular can be VERY picky.

I'm not saying there aren't problems with these sets, but I found that there are major major problems with everthing from the $4500 Sonys to the $3000 Samsungs on down. For my money, the Westy TX line gets enough right and comes in at a low enough price point that I can enjoy it now without breaking the bank, and not feel bad if I decide in a couple years that "Oh my God, the new XXX model is THE PERFECT TV, with it's OLED goodness and HDMI 1.9c and DisplayPort and 3d holographic upconversion of SD - I must have it!!!" The TV does many things very well. It's handling of SD is generally not bad at all, and HD is spectacular.

And with any of these TVs, they're highly computerized and circuitized, etc. I rarely say this about most products, but GET THE PSP. I don't care if you're buying a Sony, a Westy, an Insignia, or a freakin' "Bob's TV Company" brand, it's worth it.

Ed

x84HurstOlds

08-02-07, 02:17 PM

I'm curious if this lock up issue happens because of the order in which you turn your devices on? I know my first one died, or happened to die at the same time, when the PS3 was turned on before the TV. I also have issues with the receiver not getting a signal if I turn that on first as well. I've come to realize that you turn the TV on let it connect to the coax then turn everything else on. I have a feeling this is an issue that can be fixed with a firmware update that may or may not ever come.

So my advice to everyone is to use a rule of thumb: ALWAYS TURN YOUR TV ON FIRST, THEN YOUR PERIPHERALS.

I have a Tivo. It's always on. And I don't always shut down the HTPC in between sessions either (technically I almost never shut it down, I use S3). So, ain't going to happen for me.

Ed

Bob Dobbs

08-02-07, 02:20 PM

Lutch

08-02-07, 02:25 PM

Interesting, the lockup happened for me when the TV wasn't being fed a signal first. I always let the TV autosource itself on when I turn a device on (on normal).

I noticed that if you let the DPMS turn off the TV on E. Saver, that the TV behaves just like it would on the Normal setting. The TV wont show a W logo unless you power the tv off by remote or side button.

Yours locked up and you were able to fix it with a reboot correct, I wasn't able to do that I tried EVERYTHING I could think of to get the bad boy going, but to no avail.

So you're constantly in standby, so when the TV sees a connection it turns on?

x84HurstOlds

08-02-07, 02:45 PM

Earlier, I found that I can only have 480p over HDMI #2 (others are fine) and no audio.

Now I found that I force 1080p from the player. However, this is no way to get audio out of it. I talked to Westy support and they just gave me some run-around. Has anyone seen similar problem? Is there some tweaks or cable issue?

Thanks!

Not sure I understand about the video issue. Forgive me if I'm telling you what you already know, but resolution shown in the pop-up text (i.e., HDMI 2 480p) is the resolution that the TV is receiving. The TV is always going to do one of two things when receiving less than 1080p - it will either show it with top/bottom or side bars, or it will upscale it, or some combination - but this is controlled by the aspect ratio (technically, 1080i I guess will be line-doubled). But if you are getting a full-screen picture, it does not matter that it says "480p", that's just telling you what the source device is putting out (i.e., what is coming in the HDMI port). In other words, you can't really tell the TV "display this in 720p", all you can do is make the picture larger or smaller using the "standard/fill/overscan" aspect ratio settings - everything else is up to your source.

As for sound, don't know, if the sound works on other ports with the same source and the same cable, and cable is firmly seated, then HDMI 2 is broken. Are you using the TV's speakers for the test?

Ed

nuskfc

08-02-07, 02:51 PM

The E. Saver complete lockup is fixable guys.

It is completely 100% valid to return the set for something like this, but try all the troubleshooting tips first. Having "Power on Plug" on, plugging in, holding power for 10+ seconds, and having every device hooked up to your TV on all at once worked for me when I got it. Never happened again.

I turned "Power on Plug" off and could never get the TV back up again, even with holding the power button for 60+ seconds. It has AutoSource off and in E.Saver mode. I returned the TV this morning and now waiting for the exchanged one to arrive.

x84HurstOlds

08-02-07, 02:52 PM

3d holographic upconversion of SD... oooooo I want that....

I agree peopel post hwere to fix problems... I am on my 2nd Westy (the 1st died with e.saver - yes I tried all variations of power on... totally dead)... but now its working great!

I get an occasional flicker - once a week on PS3 - never on the TV (or not yet)... there are a few stuck pix.. but dark blue, not bright green so I'm ok... yes some light leak on lower left, but I only see it when SD material i son with the black curtains... my wife/kids/parents/neighbors/dog (he loves Discovery animal shows - literally freaks out) - none of them see the leak - so I'm loving it.... but I still want the 3d holographic upconversion of SD... NOW!!!! via firmware!

"Help me Obi-wan Kenobi...you're my only hope" :p

I'm holding out for an actual holodeck, like on Star Trek: Next Gen. If somebody could figure out a way to make holograms that you could interact with and touch, I'll be dumping all my money into making holo-pr0n. I figure I'll be able to retire about 3 days after our first feature hits the shelves. :cool:

Ed

huggybear

08-02-07, 03:11 PM

Hi all -

I've been corresponding with Woobieizer via PM and we think that it would be a good idea to come up with a consolidated list of known problems with the TX series to send off to Westinghouse. If we point to this thread and the number of views it receives (as well as it's google ranking when a TX model is searched on) they should at least review it and hopefully act upon it as well.

The point is to let them know that though the majority of us love the TX line, we are aware of some issues and we would like to see those issues addressed.

Here is what we have so far - all TX owners please provide your feedback.

CONFIRMED ISSUES GOING ON THE LIST

1) 5.1 DD Via Internal Tuner (Both QAM and OTA)

This must be fixed!! The hardware is clearly capable of passing through 5.1 via the SPDIF out. As I posted earlier, Westinghouse told me to try cycling through the digital audio options (English, Spanish, French) to see if any of those would bring up the 5.1 audio stream. They simply need to add something to the firmware to allow 5.1 to be selected from the digital audio menu if it is present in the broadcast.

2) Lockup Problems

This must be addressed as in some cases (such as my first TX) the lockup cannot be recovered from and the set must be returned.

UP FOR DEBATE - OPINIONS REQUESTED

1) PS3 Flickering/Dropouts

I personally don't think this is a problem with the set. I believe Westinghouse has already stated this when people have inquired about it. I don't think we should even bother putting this on the list as it is very doubtful they will (or even can) do anything about it. I don't want to detract from the confirmed issues. What does everyone else think? Keep in mind that there have been HDCP problems with numerous sets and the PS3 ever since it came out.

2) HDMI Hub (all HDMI inputs sharing the same setting)

Again, I'm not sure if this should go on the list for fear of detracting from the issues that can be addressed. Westinghouse has already stated the HDMI inputs are on a hub and hence share the same input settings. What could possibly be done about this besides replacing the hub with separate inputs which is obviously not going to happen? Maybe the TX-52 will be different.

3) EPG

The EPG is pretty worthless. Mine is totally empty except for NBC. Let's get some feedback on this one. I'm not sure if this is something that can be addressed by Westinghouse or if it is the actual QAM/OTA stations. Maybe EPG data just isn't present?

4) Remote Contol

Extra buttons such as PIP and DVI that aren't used. Doubtful they will redesign the remote. Some people have complained that the range is poor (I personally don't have any problems with it). What does everyone think - list-worthy?

sangwpark

08-02-07, 03:28 PM

Hello everyone, I think first of all this thread is one of more well-informed one in AVSFORUM. Thanks for all suggestions.

FYI here was the setting last night before I turned off the TV.
e.saver ON, autosource OFF
tuned to HDTV (via QAM)
HDMI1: Computer (which was on)
HDMI2: HD-DVD player (which was off)
AV (Composite): Panasonic Replaytv (which was off)

I did notice something odd yesterday, that the TV channel would consistently go to channel 2, instead of the last viewed channel, whenever I turned on the TV. Also, for the first time since I purchased the TV 2 weeks ago, I would lose sound on certain channels. Finally, the 3 favorite buttons would only work intermittently, with the middle button not working at all. Who knows if any of these are related, but it's possible that these were the warning signs that all was not right with the circuitry of this TV yesterday.

I too tried to do the full-power boot that was suggested...no dice. Called the joke of Westinghouse call support, who first asked if it was plugged into a surge protector, then asked to plug in directly to the wall. Yup...that was the extent of the support. Told me to take it back to BB, which I did. When I took it there, the geeksquad folks plugged in the TV, did the same thing I did, told the exchange/return person that "yup...TV's dead" signal, and that was that. Got my money back...no TV... oh well, saved a grand, I guess.

--
Sang

iLoveSax

08-02-07, 03:35 PM

I just got the PS3 couple days ago so i quickly borrow some games from my buddy and some blue-ray movies from blockbuster. All set and ready to go but the hdmi cable didn't arrive on time so i bought one at target ($49 sony brand).

First hi-def impression was WOW, probably since this is my first high def tv. I tried some games, blue ray, dvds, and the PS3 deliver very good picture quality. Its been a while and i haven't seen any flicker or maybe i didn't notice. Hopefully, it will stay that way.

I haven't test if the tv can pass 5.1 audio yet.

In conclusion, i really like this tv and i'm glad i chose it.

UPDATE:

The HDMI cable i originally bought arrived, it advertised as High Speed 340mhz 10Gbps 1.3 cable 1080p, and after switching to this cable from Sony, i got THE flicker. It happen when i play games or watch movies, BD & DVD. the screen would go blank for a split second and the audio too, it happened about 4-5 times during one movie.

I have never seen a flicker from the Sony HDMI cable. I don't know what the specification of the cable as there is no info from the packaging, whether its a high speed or standard or whatever. Its way overpriced though but no flicker, i may going to keep it for my PS3.

If anybody want to experiment, the cable is available @ Target or sony style store, it's white color and cost $49 for 8 ft. Target have 90 days return policy FYI.
The HDMI for PS3 always have been in port 1.

xnappo

08-02-07, 03:37 PM

What does everyone think - list-worthy?

I don't own the set anymore, but I would certainly add the 'scrawl jutter' (which isn't just in scrawls - that is just where it is most obvious) to the list.

xnappo

bhazard

08-02-07, 04:04 PM

Huggybear,

If you can, edit your very first post with all the info/problems/fixes that you are compiling. That way, everyone will be able to see it without searching for page 77.

Include the (frame skip) judder issue, fixable by a reboot.

For PS3, using HDMI1 seems to fix the flickering issue.

Great idea for this. Hopefully our voices and experiences make what we bought a better product than it already is.

cavalry12

08-02-07, 04:07 PM

I played the soccer game on Xbox 360 using component input @ 1080p and I have a couple of observation. My friend has Sharp Aquos LC42D72U and I am comparing to it -- not fair I know but as a reference.

1. The text is not as sharp on the Westy. It's not clear to me what is the cause. I've ordered a new video card for the PC. So I will try 1080p from PC later on to check the text.

2. When a shot is fired and the ball moves at high speed, there is no ghosting at all.

3. When the background moves fast, such as a long goal kick, the image blurs more than the Sharp. I know the difference in response time (8ms vs 4ms). Would it show up in this type of scenes?

I've watched the snow leopard chasing scene from Planet Earth via VGA at 1080p. The background blurs. However, the snow leopard remains very sharp. So this left 2 places that could be wrong.

3a. The component input processing
3b. Xbox 360 output

Has anyone had experience playing Xbox 360 using component connection?

Thanks!

I own the older 47W1 and use it with my 360 Elite, and here are my observations with all three connections at 1080p:

1) Component is fairly soft at 1080p with the sharpness setting having no noticeable effect on the image.

2) VGA gives a progressively sharper image than Component.

3) HDMI has the the sharpest image of all three. I wouldn't call it a night and day difference but it's there and easy to spot. It is especially obvious on a native 1080p game such as Virtua Tennis 3. Also, small text and dashboard itself are more defined. Please keep in mind that I employ the DVI input on my display using an HDMI-DVI adapter.

cheerful

08-02-07, 04:24 PM

I am using a Philips upscaling DVD player. If I set HDMI output to auto, it goes to 480p. Pressing the upscale button leads to rejection logo on the screen and resolution remains at 480p (not the case on other port). If I go into setup and choose 1080p, the tv will switch to 1080p.

No sound no matter what I do. Yes I am using tv speaker. I think the hardware for HDMI 2 is broken, surprising since it's a hub, not independent port.

Not sure I understand about the video issue. Forgive me if I'm telling you what you already know, but resolution shown in the pop-up text (i.e., HDMI 2 480p) is the resolution that the TV is receiving. The TV is always going to do one of two things when receiving less than 1080p - it will either show it with top/bottom or side bars, or it will upscale it, or some combination - but this is controlled by the aspect ratio (technically, 1080i I guess will be line-doubled). But if you are getting a full-screen picture, it does not matter that it says "480p", that's just telling you what the source device is putting out (i.e., what is coming in the HDMI port). In other words, you can't really tell the TV "display this in 720p", all you can do is make the picture larger or smaller using the "standard/fill/overscan" aspect ratio settings - everything else is up to your source.

As for sound, don't know, if the sound works on other ports with the same source and the same cable, and cable is firmly seated, then HDMI 2 is broken. Are you using the TV's speakers for the test?

Ed

cheerful

08-02-07, 04:25 PM

Thanks for the info. My plan is to switch to pc to hdmi 1 and free vga for games.

Component is really soft on this one.

I own the older 47W1 and use it with my 360 Elite, and here are my observations with all three connections at 1080p:

1) Component is fairly soft at 1080p with the sharpness setting having no noticeable effect on the image.

2) VGA gives a progressively sharper image than Component.

3) HDMI has the the sharpest image of all three. I wouldn't call it a night and day difference but it's there and easy to spot. It is especially obvious on a native 1080p game such as Virtua Tennis 3. Also, small text and dashboard itself are more defined. Please keep in mind that I employ the DVI input on my display using an HDMI-DVI adapter.

armenhamer

08-02-07, 04:26 PM

cheerful

08-02-07, 04:37 PM

To support Huggybear, I will write a list of problem with EPG. I've talked to Westy and was told the TV was designed as it's. However, this is merely software issue and should be fixed with a firmware update. Please call Westy to tell them you want it fixed.

1. It has NO cache. This means it decodes the EPG from the current channel. When you really want to know is what other channels are showing. My friend's 2 year old olevia has cache and it scans for EPG automatically in the background on startup. A few min later, viewing EPG for all channels is instant

2. According to the manual, there are 2 views: present events and daily events. I assume what we got is daily events (for a single channel). I want the present events listing -- I assume it means showing all channels for the current time.

3. It opens to same EPG channel as you last checked. It does not change channel as you switch viewing channel.

4. It shows deleted channels.

5. The labels at the bottom are wrong. "Exit" should be "return"/"prev", not "menu"

6. Can't go to a channel by number. Has to use left/right arrow.

Please add/correct.

Thanks

bhazard

08-02-07, 04:40 PM

Which HDMI port did you have your PS3 hooked up to?

Has anybody else noticed that there are HDMI cables that are made for the PS3?
Checked targets website and amazons and there's a few of them out there.

Curious about this since I may consider a PS3 at some point.

Any HDMI cable that says HDMI on it and is HDMI certified will produce the exact same quality picture. Doesn't matter if it is a $.99 cable or $100 cable, its all the same.

Cheap ass 99 cent cables are working fine for me on HDMI1. The PS3 flickers on HDMI2 and HDMI3 occasionally

jterp7

08-02-07, 05:28 PM

iLoveSax

08-02-07, 05:41 PM

Any HDMI cable that says HDMI on it and is HDMI certified will produce the exact same quality picture. Doesn't matter if it is a $.99 cable or $100 cable, its all the same.

Cheap ass 99 cent cables are working fine for me on HDMI1. The PS3 flickers on HDMI2 and HDMI3 occasionally

On short distance, probably. However, the cheap 99 cent stuff most likely use a cheapest material available and have poor QC so it probably won't last and more prone to failure. I think there is a variety to the construction of the cable, thats why one hdmi give me flicker and one doesn't. Its always been in port 1 BTW.

The sony cable that don't give me flicker cost $49 @ Target. However, it looks like a $5 cable you see everywhere. Its way overpriced at a retail store.
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/images/items/400336.jpg

The other hdmi cable which give me flicker appear to be higher quality and i'm sure it cost more to manufacture than the $49 Sony. I bought it on ebay for $20 so no crazy mark-up there.
http://i7.ebayimg.com/04/i/000/a3/68/5cf3_1.JPG

For anything else, most HDMI cable will work fine on short distance. However, our TV have special problem with flicker and with my experience, switching cable do the trick. I'm not saying that you should buy expensive cable but try some different cable if you have flickering issue.

huggybear

08-02-07, 05:51 PM

Thank you very much cheerful. Can you tell me - are you using QAM or OTA with an antenna? Do you receive guide data for all of the channels on your channel list?

Thanks,

huggybear

To support Huggybear, I will write a list of problem with EPG. I've talked to Westy and was told the TV was designed as it's. However, this is merely software issue and should be fixed with a firmware update. Please call Westy to tell them you want it fixed.

1. It has NO cache. This means it decodes the EPG from the current channel. When you really want to know is what other channels are showing. My friend's 2 year old olevia has cache and it scans for EPG automatically in the background on startup. A few min later, viewing EPG for all channels is instant

2. According to the manual, there are 2 views: present events and daily events. I assume what we got is daily events (for a single channel). I want the present events listing -- I assume it means showing all channels for the current time.

3. It opens to same EPG channel as you last checked. It does not change channel as you switch viewing channel.

4. It shows deleted channels.

5. The "Exit" button (menu) leads to menu in stead of getting out of EPG

6. The "return" button change viewing channel, not EPG channel (just my memory, not 100% sure).

Please add/correct.

Thanks

huggybear

08-02-07, 05:56 PM

I don't own the set anymore, but I would certainly add the 'scrawl jutter' (which isn't just in scrawls - that is just where it is most obvious) to the list.

xnappo

xnappo - can you describe the "scrawl jutter" please?

Thanks,

huggybear

huggybear

08-02-07, 05:58 PM

xnappo

08-02-07, 07:05 PM

xnappo - can you describe the "scrawl jutter" please?

Thanks,

huggybear

This is the same as the frame skip issue. It looks like the TV drops a frame every two seconds or so. With me - my cable box ALWAYS did it over component. Over HDMI it would start doing it and a reboot would make it go away for a while.

xnappo

cheerful

08-02-07, 07:57 PM

This is OTA only. There seems to be guide data for most of channels I tried, incl. smaller names such as NJN, ION. However, you do need to be patient as it takes quite some time to show up. This is why cache is so important.

Thank you very much cheerful. Can you tell me - are you using QAM or OTA with an antenna? Do you receive guide data for all of the channels on your channel list?

Thanks,

huggybear

cheerful

08-02-07, 07:58 PM

unclben

08-02-07, 08:43 PM

I was found the Hitachi Plasma 42HDS69, so I'm happy with this excellent Hitachi, just some little disappointing that the panel is 1024 x 1080i, so I just can see a 1080i resolution, actually is very good image, the other concern is about some effect caused by that resolution I guess, I'm referring to the borders of some diagonal image, I mean for example some images shapes is not total clean, it is distorted by little steps, I don't know if I explained well, apology by my the bad English, Can some body known what is named this image defect?That 'defect' is called aliasing. It's not really a defect, just a natural artifact that occurs when breaking an image into discrete pixels. The Wikipedia articles on aliasing and anti-aliasing might be useful to you. Generally, the higher your resolution the less you will notice aliasing (so 1080p is better than 720p is better than 480p). Hope that helps!

Woobieizer

08-02-07, 10:51 PM

The E. Saver complete lockup is fixable guys.

It is completely 100% valid to return the set for something like this, but try all the troubleshooting tips first. Having "Power on Plug" on, plugging in, holding power for 10+ seconds, and having every device hooked up to your TV on all at once worked for me when I got it. Never happened again.

bhazard - Just wanted to know it the troubleshooting also works if the set is configured "Power on Plug" Off?

Regards

cheerful

08-02-07, 11:02 PM

I am using a Philips upscaling DVD player. I noticed a box border all around the edge of the image over 1080p HDMI. It don't see it via component (480p only).

This is my only HDMI source right now. The problem might well be the player. Has anyone seen anything similar?

Thanks!

mnksauce

08-02-07, 11:22 PM

kenpachi

08-02-07, 11:34 PM

i had a quick question, i just bought 300 on blu-ray and its clear and all, but there are times it seems that there are pixels everywhere. maybe not pixels but more of little swirlies everywhere. is that a problem, or is that normal? this is the first blu-ray movie i've seen on my tx and ps3.
Ok it looks pixelated or it looks grainy.If its grainy its the way the movie is,i got this movie also.Try getting something like shooter where the image is really good and the colors are bright and stands out.

bamaslaten

08-03-07, 12:23 AM

What options should I set under tuner to scan for qam channels? Thanks

armenhamer

08-03-07, 12:35 AM

I've noticed on the last couple of movies I've watched with my Phillipes 1080p upscaling dvd player that maybe two or three times I'll hear a slight audio pop.

Anybody else notice anything like this?

mnksauce

08-03-07, 12:48 AM

kenpachi,

it looks grainy. alright, i was hoping that it was regular. i just got benchwarmers on bluray and yea, it looks normal. high-def normal :P

Woobieizer

08-03-07, 07:38 AM

armenhamer

08-03-07, 08:09 AM

Philipes DVP5982/37. When ever I'd hear a pop I'd back the disc up and it wasn't there. I didn't notice it the first few times watching movies but on the last two I heard something. I'm thinking about taking it back to best buy and getting a Pioneer. That's what I replaced and I loved that player.

Try and rule out that it's the TV.

flabioh

08-03-07, 08:51 AM

What options should I set under tuner to scan for qam channels? Thanks

I can't remember exactly what the option is called but the TV will scan for QAM channels by default. If memory serves me right it is something like "Auto."

cheerful

08-03-07, 09:55 AM

What is the make and model of this Philips DVD player do you have?

Philipes DVP5982/37 with latest firmware (6/27, I think)

jterp7

08-03-07, 09:58 AM

random question about upconverting players:

Anyone have either the Oppo DV-981HD or DV-980H?

armenhamer

08-03-07, 10:16 AM

Philipes DVP5982/37 with latest firmware (6/27, I think)

Is it a black box all around the image? I haven't noticed anything like that on my player. Just the audio pop so far. I'm also not a fan of the remote. It seems like you have to hit the buttons more than once to get it to work.

I'm thinking about returning the philipes and getting the Pioneer DV-400V-K.

Anybody using the Pioneer?

Xcalibur_255

08-03-07, 12:14 PM

Pertaining to the defect list: I would take the EPG and the Remote (especially the remote) off the list. It's impossible to be taken seriously when the complaints include non-critical issues that can be perceived as nitpicking. In place of the complaint about the HDMI hub (there's really nothing wrong with that design implementation per se) Westinghouse should be receiving negative feedback on their decision to group input memories by category instead of making them discrete per input. It's not just the HDMI group that shares a picture memory, they all do. In place of that some of the momories such as component remember settings differently depending upon whether the input signal is HD or not, which is an intelligent feature but is not documented anywhere in their literature or manual. The decision to group the picture memories instead of making then independent was a design choice Westinghouse made and they need to know it wasn't the correct one. There are no technical roadblocks to making the memory discrete per input, including the HDMI hub. Whether the design is a hub or not doesn't impact the ability to offer this feature.

cheerful

08-03-07, 12:28 PM

Lutch

08-03-07, 12:36 PM

My experience has been that almost no company will never give you everything you ask. Reduce your list does not improve your chance of getting anything. Beside, the issues related to the software/firmware sides are actually easy to fix.

Some of my issues are why offer a feature (EPG, PIP) that does not work? Why even include it in the design, and waste all the time that could be spent on perfecting "important" features?

dukefan6842

08-03-07, 02:22 PM

picked up my TX-42F430S yesterday for under a grand, and couldnt be happier. It looked stunning when i hooked it up to my pc via VGA and played Planet earth at 1080p (xvid compressed). It also looks great on my 360 with vga cable. (could somebody post their settings for use with 360 vga at 1920x1080) The darks look great, 1080p is awesome, now i just need to save up for hd dvd/blu ray.

Gritsyna

08-03-07, 03:34 PM

I second that.

As a side note: The remote reception on the TV is definitely not nearly as good (angle and range wise) as almost any other device (my Motorola cable box for example) - unless you are directly in front of the TV (upto 12 feet away, I have a wall further , ~30 degrees off to either side) it does not recieve the signal. It is not remote related, because the result is the same with stock remote and Logitech 880 that I use, as well as the Comcast universal remote. This however does not seem like something they could fix now, maybe for a wish list for future TVs.

Pertaining to the defect list: I would take the EPG and the Remote (especially the remote) off the list. It's impossible to be taken seriously when the complaints include non-critical issues that can be perceived as nitpicking. In place of the complaint about the HDMI hub (there's really nothing wrong with that design implementation per se) Westinghouse should be receiving negative feedback on their decision to group input memories by category instead of making them discrete per input. It's not just the HDMI group that shares a picture memory, they all do. In place of that some of the momories such as component remember settings differently depending upon whether the input signal is HD or not, which is an intelligent feature but is not documented anywhere in their literature or manual. The decision to group the picture memories instead of making then independent was a design choice Westinghouse made and they need to know it wasn't the correct one. There are no technical roadblocks to making the memory discrete per input, including the HDMI hub. Whether the design is a hub or not doesn't impact the ability to offer this feature.

dukefan6842

08-03-07, 03:38 PM

another thing i noticed, i don't can't pick up any over the air HD channels, but i could get 4 with my olevia 232v using the same antenna. is this a setting i need to change or does it just have a crummy tuner?

jterp7

08-03-07, 03:46 PM

you probably need to do the auto programming, I don't remember the exact menu's but if you still need help I'll post instructions when I get home from work

Gritsyna

08-03-07, 03:49 PM

To Huggybear.

Thank you for compiling the list and sticking it on the 1st post, as well as taking time to forward it to Westinghouse once we have something worthwhile to send!

I have, what I believe is an HDMI HDCP issue with my TX47. I think I've read some other owners mention this issue earlier as well. It is mostly an annoyance I am able to deal with for me (maybe worse for others), rather than a significant issue, but I believe there might be an easy firmware fix for it so I think it belongs on the list.

I will desribe the issue: When my Comcast Cable Box (Motorola DCT6412 III) is turned On before TV is finished "booting" from being completely off and the input is pre-set for the Cable Box the screen is displaying full-screen Green and only sound from the cable box can be heard.

The three workarounds I use for this: either 1) Let the TV turn on fully before turning on the Cable Box (this is inconvenient with a remote that turns on all relevant devices at once) or 2) When green screen appears, switch to any other input and switch back to the Cable Box input, or 3) After green screen appears, turn the cable box off and on again.

I don't have any other HDCP devices to experiment with. Also take note that although I have not tried, I believe when "Power Mode" is set to Normal, this would not be an issue. I use E.Saver, as I believe, everyone who does not mind the 20 second boot at the start should be able to do without worry.

huggybear

08-03-07, 03:49 PM

Pertaining to the defect list: I would take the EPG and the Remote (especially the remote) off the list. It's impossible to be taken seriously when the complaints include non-critical issues that can be perceived as nitpicking.

I agree 100%. I envision the list as being a succinct, professional document (to be snailmailed to Westinghouse Corporate and Tech Support) that does not carry a nitpicky tone but simply states:

"The TX is a great set. Here are some things that we the users feel would make a great set even better. We have done our due dilligence and compiled this list of agreed-upon bugs/flaws/issues with the TX series. The consensus among the users is that the items on this list are not caused by user error or 3rd party equipment but are things that can be remedied with a firmware update."

In the case of the HDMI hub, a firmware update can't fix the shared settings problem but we can certainly voice the opinion that users would prefer separate inputs with unique settings for each, even if it raised the cost somewhat.

huggybear

bhazard

08-03-07, 03:55 PM

I have a Motorola DCT6412 III and have just started using energy saver (although I would recommend not to unless you have a warranty). I'll see if this happens on mine as well.

I think it is a problem with the TV not being "on" completely so to speak, and fails to make a handshake when it finishes booting and causes this error

This does not happen in Normal mode.

huggybear

08-03-07, 03:56 PM

Gritsyna - I think what you describe here is considered the "norm". With HDCP, you are supposed to have the display powered up and ready to go first - then you power up the device so it can "handshake" with the display.

Now I can confirm that with the TX and the PS3, there have been times where my PS3 is on and then I will turn on the set and eventually it kicks in but I have often read that if you are having HDCP authentication issues (such as no image, green screen, etc) you should power everything off, power up your display and have it waiting on the correct input, and then power up the device you wish to use.

huggybear

To Huggybear.

Thank you for compiling the list and sticking it on the 1st post, as well as taking time to forward it to Westinghouse once we have something worthwhile to send!

I have, what I believe is an HDMI HDCP issue with my TX47. I think I've read some other owners mention this issue earlier as well. It is mostly an annoyance I am able to deal with for me (maybe worse for others), rather than a significant issue, but I believe there might be an easy firmware fix for it so I think it belongs on the list.

I will desribe the issue: When my Comcast Cable Box (Motorola DCT6412 III) is turned On before TV is finished "booting" from being completely off and the input is pre-set for the Cable Box the screen is displaying full-screen Green and only sound from the cable box can be heard.

The three workarounds I use for this: either 1) Let the TV turn on fully before turning on the Cable Box (this is inconvenient with a remote that turns on all relevant devices at once) or 2) When green screen appears, switch to any other input and switch back to the Cable Box input, or 3) After green screen appears, turn the cable box off and on again.

I don't have any other HDCP devices to experiment with. Also take note that although I have not tried, I believe when "Power Mode" is set to Normal, this would not be an issue. I use E.Saver, as I believe, everyone who does not mind the 20 second boot at the start should be able to do without worry.

askjeffro

08-03-07, 03:57 PM

Xcalibur_255

08-03-07, 05:05 PM

In the case of the HDMI hub, a firmware update can't fix the shared settings problem but we can certainly voice the opinion that users would prefer separate inputs with unique settings for each, even if it raised the cost somewhat.

huggybear
Actually, I think the chances are reasonably good that a firmware rewrite could accomplish this, though I don't expect them to actually do it. Mostly because it's not a bug or flaw. Everybody seemed to be under the impression that the memory wasn't discrete BECAUSE it was a hub, and I was just pointing out that was never a technical limitation stopping the feature from being present.

Xcalibur_255

08-03-07, 05:07 PM

bhazard

08-03-07, 05:16 PM

Just wanted to update on my Wii situation. After playing around a bit with some of the suggested settings I've gotten the games to look fair in terms of picture quality, not as good as my plasma experiences.

For other gamers out there however, make no mistake there is definitley motion blur in the backgrounds of games. I hadn't noticed it at first due to the graphics being my main objection, but blur is in effect, so be careful. I'm still debating on the TV.

I dont think it is a fair comparison to compare a 1080p native 8ms lcd on component to an EDTV or 720p plasma with a Wii. If I was using the Wii as my test source in the overall quality of this TV, I would have stuck with my 15+ yr old CRT.

Then again, if you will be using Wii the most and not viewing HD sources, then a diff TV may be a better option for you.

Bob Dobbs

08-03-07, 05:35 PM

TO: HUGGYBEAR...

Yes please make the letter as pro as possible. i f i thelps I would gladly copy it and send it (exact copy or slight variation) on KCET letterhead, with a contact from the engineering dept. or just from me as a producer. KCET is the PBS TV station in Los Angeles - not that that would carry any weight, but you never know.... Maybe a second slightly differnent letter is a better approach.?...

Also I agree about the remote issue.. any issue that is not really a big problem... To me the main issue is the e.saver issue (I had to return one set) and now I am gun-shy about using it again... so I'm in e.hogger mode.

Good work either way...

cheerful

08-03-07, 05:37 PM

Actually, I think the chances are reasonably good that a firmware rewrite could accomplish this, though I don't expect them to actually do it. Mostly because it's not a bug or flaw. Everybody seemed to be under the impression that the memory wasn't discrete BECAUSE it was a hub, and I was just pointing out that was never a technical limitation stopping the feature from being present.

If you choose a port from the hub, then it means you know which port is being used. It's all up to the software to map the port to settings. If they need help, I can write that for them.

Lutch

08-03-07, 05:37 PM

I've heard a lot of people state they're unhappy with the remote's range of operation. Personally I find it quite respectable. It has better reach than my previous tv's, and also better reach than my Oppo dvd player or my Denon surround receiver's remotes. So long as it's pointed in the general direction of the set it responds every time. The tv itself, on the other hand, can only process multiple button presses at a certain rate, so folks who love to channel surf by hitting the button really fast are probably annoyed by how slowly it responds. This isn't the remote but rather the speed of the internal tuner.

Yes it seems to be the speed of the internal tuner, but I've found that if you hit the channel button at the right time you force the TV to not tune into that channel and skip to the next. Yes I know it's not true surfing, but what are you going to do?

On a side note the issue I have with the tuner juddering when it first tunes in then the sound catches up only happens up to a certain channel then it starts to not show the video until it's "synced" with the sound. In the lower channels the unit shows the video, then syncs the sound creating a visible judder. The upper channels will show the video after it's synced and then the sound. It seems very odd to me and it happens on something like channel 57 or there abouts.

Also the popping through the stereo receiver when switching to an SD channel was gone yesterday.

Lutch

08-03-07, 05:53 PM

huggybear

08-03-07, 05:56 PM

Bob - I'll certainly be in touch to talk about your kind offer. We want this letter to carry as much weight as possible. E-mails and calls to CSRs are very easy to dismiss - I think our best chances of being heard lie in the written word ;)

huggybear

TO: HUGGYBEAR...

Yes please make the letter as pro as possible. i f i thelps I would gladly copy it and send it (exact copy or slight variation) on KCET letterhead, with a contact from the engineering dept. or just from me as a producer. KCET is the PBS TV station in Los Angeles - not that that would carry any weight, but you never know.... Maybe a second slightly differnent letter is a better approach.?...

Also I agree about the remote issue.. any issue that is not really a big problem... To me the main issue is the e.saver issue (I had to return one set) and now I am gun-shy about using it again... so I'm in e.hogger mode.

Good work either way...

Bob Dobbs

08-03-07, 06:00 PM

askjeffro

08-03-07, 06:13 PM

I dont think it is a fair comparison to compare a 1080p native 8ms lcd on component to an EDTV or 720p plasma with a Wii. If I was using the Wii as my test source in the overall quality of this TV, I would have stuck with my 15+ yr old CRT.

Then again, if you will be using Wii the most and not viewing HD sources, then a diff TV may be a better option for you.

If you recall my previous posts, I've played the Wii (The exact same Wii in fact) on 1080P plasma and rear projection DLP's as well. By far, the LCD technology, or this TV in particular, fair the worse with the Wii's limited output.

I use the TV for a wide range of activites like most people, I just happen to really like my Wii. A "gamers mode" may have made this TV a true bargain for me but I continue to be bothered by the blur. I have 20 some days left so I'll see how it goes, I def. like the TV otherwise.

nascar24

08-03-07, 07:08 PM

re: the remote... I actually like the range... I can double bounce it off 2 walls (like a 2 rail bank shot in pool) and still get tit to work.... if only I could get the universal remote with the Time Warner Cable to work the volume & power on the TV I could only use 1 remote.

Glad to hear this as this is one of my minor quibbles with the 37W1 I have, Also hoping for no banding on my new 47 TX As I have one banding line down the side on my 37W1 as well. By far these TX's look far more refined then the ugly 37W1 I have now :)

armenhamer

08-03-07, 07:28 PM

OK?

So I just got the Pioneer 400-k, hooked up to my TX-42 put in a couple DVDs...so far everything seems ok. Then put in Batman Begins, crackle city! Turned off my stereo and could hear it through the TV speakers??? Played the same sequences over and over, sometimes it'd happen sometimes not. Hooked the Philips back in, crackle gone.

Maybe I can live with a slight pop every now and again vs. Who knows what.

Again, this is just through the DVD players but maybe I'll pay closer attention to what's coming from my cable box.

cheerful

08-03-07, 07:59 PM

I agree 100%. I envision the list as being a succinct, professional document (to be snailmailed to Westinghouse Corporate and Tech Support) that does not carry a nitpicky tone but simply states:

"The TX is a great set. Here are some things that we the users feel would make a great set even better. We have done our due dilligence and compiled this list of agreed-upon bugs/flaws/issues with the TX series. The consensus among the users is that the items on this list are not caused by user error or 3rd party equipment but are things that can be remedied with a firmware update."

In the case of the HDMI hub, a firmware update can't fix the shared settings problem but we can certainly voice the opinion that users would prefer separate inputs with unique settings for each, even if it raised the cost somewhat.

huggybear

I would take a slightly different view. Things that are considered critical are much harder to fix and it might involve hardware change. For example, it's not always easy to reproduce the exact handshake problem.

On the other hand, software only issues are much easier to fix. For example, I would say the per-input setting can be implemented within a day and the EPG cache no more than a week. If they give me the API, I am actually willing to do it for them.

OtherSimon

08-03-07, 09:00 PM

With DC ON:
Brightness:32
Contrast:75
Saturation:57
Hue:50
Shapness:0
Backlight:0
Temp:Warm

With DC Off:
Same results.

This is on a 360 Elite, in the HDDVD drive, on HDMI2. Reference Levels on Standard on the 360.

punxybill

08-03-07, 09:57 PM

bhazard

08-03-07, 10:24 PM

New here and to the high def world. We purchased the Tx-42f430s and had Dish Network install a new HD dish/receiver. Every thing looks and works great except that the westy turns off after 12 min of watching. I am using HDMI cable from the receiver. The sleep timer and the dpms are set to off. When this happens if I hit the hdmi button the picture comes right back then after another 12 min it repeats.
I called for support and still have the problem. This does not happen with another TV or on the westy when watching a dvd. Purchased at BB and well under the 30 day return period. Thanks in advance.

Set DPMS to 1 min and check to see if a screen saver is enabled on your dish box menu. This is a brand new issue that no one has made note of yet.

How are your dish and dvd players hooked up, HDMI? Component? It is possible something on the dish menu is set incorrectly, maybe a sleep mode?

bhazard

08-03-07, 10:25 PM

OtherSimon

08-04-07, 12:00 AM

What setting shows better black levels under that optimizer, Standard or Extended?
I did not try since the HDMI hub is shared and my 8300HD doesn't have that kind of settings, I guessed that standard would be closer to the settings of the 8300.

I'll try anyway tomorrow because i'm curious ;)

Woobieizer

08-04-07, 01:28 AM

UPDATE:

The HDMI cable i originally bought arrived, it advertised as High Speed 340mhz 10Gbps 1.3 cable 1080p, and after switching to this cable from Sony, i got THE flicker. It happen when i play games or watch movies, BD & DVD. the screen would go blank for a split second and the audio too, it happened about 4-5 times during one movie.

I have never seen a flicker from the Sony HDMI cable. I don't know what the specification of the cable as there is no info from the packaging, whether its a high speed or standard or whatever. Its way overpriced though but no flicker, i may going to keep it for my PS3.

If anybody want to experiment, the cable is available @ Target or sony style store, it's white color and cost $49 for 8 ft. Target have 90 days return policy FYI.
The HDMI for PS3 always have been in port 1.

Thanks for the updated info.
I read something interesting on the Front Page of AVS Goodbye HDMI Cable Woes? New Ranking System Clarifies Performance (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=11209862&&#post11209862)

Woobieizer

08-04-07, 03:34 AM

If you have a post at the top of a page. (Default AVS Forum Setting) Would you please visit your post and edit it with the following Quote within the brackets? Thanks

Official Westinghouse TX Series ( TX-42F430S, TX-47F430S ) Owner's Thread
NOTE: We are currently compiling a list of known bugs/problems with the TX line to send off to Westinghouse. Below you will find what we have so far. Please feel free to provide your feedback by posting to the thread. CLICK HERE >>>>POST 2289 (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=11197562&&#post11197562)

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chrisf776

08-04-07, 12:01 PM

cheerful

08-04-07, 12:56 PM

4) Remote Contol

Extra buttons such as PIP and DVI that aren't used. Doubtful they will redesign the remote. Some people have complained that the range is poor (I personally don't have any problems with it). What does everyone think - list-worthy?

My remote works fine at 45 degree. I don't get the bounce from the wall to work but that's all right.

Personally, I would like to see the bottom 8 buttons (at least some of them such as video) to be re-assignable so that I can use it choose HDMI 3 with one click.

I really wish they can give some header file and let me implement the functions for them.

cheerful

08-04-07, 12:57 PM

Hey All,

I've been lurking in this thread for a while, but I still haven't made up my mind about this TV. How do all the owners feel about the motion blur with this westy? Is it acceptable or is it just annoying? I've been debating buying this TV for football season but I'm worried the motion blur will irritate the out of me. Thanks for the help!

This is really up to each viewer. I found it OK. But if I compare that to my friend's new Sharp 42" ...

If you can hold on for another week, once preseason begins, you might get more reviews.

punxybill

08-04-07, 02:24 PM

Set DPMS to 1 min and check to see if a screen saver is enabled on your dish box menu. This is a brand new issue that no one has made note of yet.

How are your dish and dvd players hooked up, HDMI? Component? It is possible something on the dish menu is set incorrectly, maybe a sleep mode?

The DVD is connected with component cables, the receiver with HDMI. I may have been wrong in saying that the TV turns off, I think it is switching to the AV input on it's own and since no AV input is present I get a black screen. I will remove all inputs other than the HDMI from the Dish receiver and give that a try. I do not think it is a problem with the Dish receiver. Thanks and I'll post my results.

cjm18

08-04-07, 02:29 PM

punxybill

08-04-07, 03:11 PM

The DVD is connected with component cables, the receiver with HDMI. I may have been wrong in saying that the TV turns off, I think it is switching to the AV input on it's own and since no AV input is present I get a black screen. I will remove all inputs other than the HDMI from the Dish receiver and give that a try. I do not think it is a problem with the Dish receiver. Thanks and I'll post my results.

I turned the auto-source off and looks like that solved the problem. Guessing the DVD player was sending a quick pulse to the TV, the Westy responded by switching to the AV input and no signal was present so I got a black screen. Possible???

bhazard

08-04-07, 03:36 PM

can someone confirm that nothing is wrong with my westy TX42? I am getting the same problem as in a youtube video if you search for westhinghouse 42. It is a few videos down - thin flashy line at the top of most sd channels. some hd channels have a lesser line on the left side only. I have cable -dvr .

Thanks!

The flashy line is out of spec closed caption data sent by the broadcaster in the area. The reason you see this is because the TV is 1:1 pixel mapped, which means you get 100% of the picture being broadcasted. This doesnt show on regular tvs, because regular tvs overscan the picture sent by about 5%. Any tv with 1:1 pixel mapping will show this. The white line on the left is most noticeable with NBC, again its from the broadcaster.

It is actually a good thing to see this, it just shows your tv really does get 100% of the picture all the time. To get rid of it if it bothers you, switch from "standard" to "fill" mode.

This should be noted on the first post, although it is not really a problem, it is important info, same with the purple line.

Skylined

08-04-07, 07:47 PM

nascar24

08-04-07, 07:54 PM

Sounds like you were feed a bunch of BS. The TX line just came out, It will be around for quite some time.

flabioh

08-04-07, 07:59 PM

Sounds like you were feed a bunch of BS. The TX line just came out, It will be around for quite some time.

I have to agree. Most Best Buy employees in my local store couldn't tell the difference between the Westinghouse models any more than they can tell the difference between their hands and knees.

bhazard

08-04-07, 08:26 PM

I just got back from Best Buy to exchange my TX-47F430S with 15+ dead pixels

Best Buy says the TX-47F430S is no longer carried by them, and is discontinued. Can anyone confirm this? I still see it is available on the website, but they say its limited to what is in stock in the stores now that it is considered a discontinued model.

The genius probably meant the LVM-47w1, which is the old model. Bring it back and kindly let them know they are idiots. If the employee gives you crap, let the manager know the employee is an idiot. If the manager gives you crap, let the regional manager know they are idiots. That, or go to another store.

Skylined

08-04-07, 08:48 PM

The genius probably meant the LVM-47w1, which is the old model. Bring it back and kindly let them know they are idiots. If the employee gives you crap, let the manager know the employee is an idiot. If the manager gives you crap, let the regional manager know they are idiots. That, or go to another store.

When I first went to the store this afternoon, I showed them my receipt and said the TV was bought less than 2 weeks ago - and I'd like a replacement (Best Buy repair tech already made house-call and confirmed the numerous dead pixels). The Customer Service Rep looked up the TV by model number and says "oh, it says its been disconntinued". I asked her how this could be, its a brand new model. She said sorry and that I should talk to Westinghouse about it, and showed me the screen where it said "Deleted" on the product (I should have confirmed the model ID here). I asked to speak to a manager - and she said "I am a Manager, sorry". So I asked to speak to a sales rep.

Ten minutes later a sales rep came up and took my receipt, and came back and said the same thing, that it has been discontinued but there was a store display model available 75 miles away.

I went back to the TV displays at the rear of the store, and the Westinghouse 47 was no longer on display, the store model had just been sold a few hours earlier.

I tried to call the store a few minutes ago but was put on hold for 45 minutes before I gave up.

bhazard

08-04-07, 09:10 PM

When I first went to the store this afternoon, I showed them my receipt and said the TV was bought less than 2 weeks ago - and I'd like a replacement (Best Buy repair tech already made house-call and confirmed the numerous dead pixels). The Customer Service Rep looked up the TV by model number and says "oh, it says its been disconntinued". I asked her how this could be, its a brand new model. She said sorry and that I should talk to Westinghouse about it, and showed me the screen where it said "Deleted" on the product (I should have confirmed the model ID here). I asked to speak to a manager - and she said "I am a Manager, sorry". So I asked to speak to a sales rep.

Ten minutes later a sales rep came up and took my receipt, and came back and said the same thing, that it has been discontinued but there was a store display model available 75 miles away.

I went back to the TV displays at the rear of the store, and the Westinghouse 47 was no longer on display, the store model had just been sold a few hours earlier.

I tried to call the store a few minutes ago but was put on hold for 45 minutes before I gave up.

Call Westinghouse, there is no way they discontinued this tv. My TV had to be ordered both times from Best Buy's warehouse and they didn't display the tx when I bought it. I'd get your money back from this store and purchase elsewhere, luckily you are in the 30 day window.

MirclMax

08-04-07, 09:19 PM

Okay, I've got a question for you TX wise folk ..

The light at the middle along the bottom of the set. The one under the WestingHouse logo. You know, the one that tells you the power is on.

Until today I had seen 2 colors.

Orange: Standby
Blue: On

Today it was purple .. what does that mean?

There was no problem, I treated it as it was standby, turned on the receiver, it sent the signal to the TV, and it turned Orange. I was just curious if anyone knew, the manual doesn't seem to helpful on the subject.

Thanks.

-MirclMax

nascar24

08-04-07, 09:46 PM

When I first went to the store this afternoon, I showed them my receipt and said the TV was bought less than 2 weeks ago - and I'd like a replacement (Best Buy repair tech already made house-call and confirmed the numerous dead pixels). The Customer Service Rep looked up the TV by model number and says "oh, it says its been disconntinued". I asked her how this could be, its a brand new model. She said sorry and that I should talk to Westinghouse about it, and showed me the screen where it said "Deleted" on the product (I should have confirmed the model ID here). I asked to speak to a manager - and she said "I am a Manager, sorry". So I asked to speak to a sales rep.

Ten minutes later a sales rep came up and took my receipt, and came back and said the same thing, that it has been discontinued but there was a store display model available 75 miles away.

I went back to the TV displays at the rear of the store, and the Westinghouse 47 was no longer on display, the store model had just been sold a few hours earlier.

I tried to call the store a few minutes ago but was put on hold for 45 minutes before I gave up.

It sure appears the Best Buy you bought from has no clue. I think I heard the same thing about the LVM series in a thread after it had just been out as well. I would get a refund from them and if you want the TX again just order it online from Best Buy.

fall50

08-05-07, 01:22 AM

Hey everyone,

I'm a newbie just found the forum and the thread, I just purchased this TV tonight right beofre midnight to get the sale price.....hope to get the 10% off tomorrow (from coupon) when I pick up @ store. I'm new to the LCD world and HDTV in general . I'm not a gammer and will be using this for essentially watching TV via Comcast Cable.....I have 2 questions...

I know every TV will inherentely be flawed to a degree and people will write about them on boards such as these etc etc. I'm not to worried about the few neagtive things I have read, however could someone give me the cliff notes version on the
E SAVER ISSUE?

Also becasue we have young kids under 3 who love playing with remotes (namely turning them off and on pushing buttons etc) I was considering getting the exteneded warranty.....Could anyone comment on whether these are worth it, neccessary, for 150.00 it doesn't see all that bad. FYI I bought @ Best Buy

Thanks In advance

kenpachi

08-05-07, 03:27 AM

Wow just when i thought all was good bammmmmmmmmmm! my s*@t started flickering,what was odd was it was only doing it with movies though.So i tried the hdmi converter thing and nothing still flickers gonna try hdmi1 and see what happens.Good thing i still have two weeks on my 30 days,bad thing the store dont have any :( .So i hope they really didn't stop carrying them and get more in stock :p

Woobieizer

08-05-07, 04:57 AM

Official Westinghouse TX Series ( TX-42F430S, TX-47F430S ) Owner's Thread
NOTE: We are currently compiling a list of known bugs/problems with the TX line to send off to Westinghouse. Below you will find what we have so far. Please feel free to provide your feedback by posting to the thread. CLICK HERE >>>>POST 2289 (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=11197562&&#post11197562)

Remember you can "Preview Post" if you're new at posting quotes.

Wow just when i thought all was good bammmmmmmmmmm! my s*@t started flickering,what was odd was it was only doing it with movies though.So i tried the hdmi converter thing and nothing still flickers gonna try hdmi1 and see what happens.Good thing i still have two weeks on my 30 days,bad thing the store dont have any :( .So i hope they really didn't stop carrying them and get more in stock :p

Kenpachi - Is this your original TV or did you swap recently?

Regards

Woobieizer

08-05-07, 05:31 AM

Sounds to me like you preformed all due diligence on your part to run the maze. Perhaps you can let your fingers do the walking and talk to a rep a BestBuy via the phone 1-888-BESTBUY. You would have your reciept, with the BB store number and tell them the stroy and let them do the hashing out of the stock situation. The rep you speak with on the phone should have the ability to call the store you purchased the unit from. Did you purchase a PSP with the TV?

Regards.

When I first went to the store this afternoon, I showed them my receipt and said the TV was bought less than 2 weeks ago - and I'd like a replacement (Best Buy repair tech already made house-call and confirmed the numerous dead pixels). The Customer Service Rep looked up the TV by model number and says "oh, it says its been disconntinued". I asked her how this could be, its a brand new model. She said sorry and that I should talk to Westinghouse about it, and showed me the screen where it said "Deleted" on the product (I should have confirmed the model ID here). I asked to speak to a manager - and she said "I am a Manager, sorry". So I asked to speak to a sales rep.

Ten minutes later a sales rep came up and took my receipt, and came back and said the same thing, that it has been discontinued but there was a store display model available 75 miles away.

I went back to the TV displays at the rear of the store, and the Westinghouse 47 was no longer on display, the store model had just been sold a few hours earlier.

I tried to call the store a few minutes ago but was put on hold for 45 minutes before I gave up.

OtherSimon

08-05-07, 10:48 AM

What setting shows better black levels under that optimizer, Standard or Extended?

I tested it this morning, do not use reference levels Expanded with HDMI on your 360, you will lose all definition in blacks. It make sense because these settings were added only for VGA that looked washed on some tvs.

I tested it for vga connectionon standard/expanded:
Brightness:49/62
Contrast:61/48
Sat:57/47
Hue:50/50
sharp 0
BL:0

On VGA, it is my opinion that the image looks a lot better with expanded.

xnappo

08-05-07, 11:04 AM

unclben

08-05-07, 11:17 AM

MirclMax

08-05-07, 11:33 AM

So .... does this mean no one knows what the purple light means? :)

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=11218769&&#post11218769

bhazard

08-05-07, 11:34 AM

First, I want to thank all of you for your contributions to this thread. It was based on all this dicussion that I bought myself a TX-47 last week. So far I've only used it for Xbox, but soon I'll be picking up a 360 for some HD goodness.

My question is related to E.Saver. I have it turned on, but I don't know if it's working. When the set goes off, the power light turns amber. When the auto-source powers it back on, it's almost instant. I thought a boot from E.Saver was supposed to take a relatively long time....

The only time I see the boot up screen on E. Saver is when you actually hit a power button to turn the TV off, the light goes off completely. I'm not sure if the TV goes into standby after 1 min that it actually goes into E. Saver.

bhazard

08-05-07, 11:36 AM

I tested it this morning, do not use reference levels Expanded with HDMI on your 360, you will lose all definition in blacks. It make sense because these settings were added only for VGA that looked washed on some tvs.

I tested it for vga connectionon standard/expanded:
Brightness:49/62
Contrast:61/48
Sat:57/47
Hue:50/50
sharp 0
BL:0

On VGA, it is my opinion that the image looks a lot better with expanded.

Wait, it looks a lot better with Expanded or Standard, you kinda crossed your explanation up.

OtherSimon

08-05-07, 11:53 AM

Wait, it looks a lot better with Expanded or Standard, you kinda crossed your explanation up.

Sorry if i wasn't clear, HDMI->standard, VGA->Expanded. ;)

askjeffro

08-05-07, 11:54 AM

First, I want to thank all of you for your contributions to this thread. It was based on all this dicussion that I bought myself a TX-47 last week. So far I've only used it for Xbox, but soon I'll be picking up a 360 for some HD goodness.

My question is related to E.Saver. I have it turned on, but I don't know if it's working. When the set goes off, the power light turns amber. When the auto-source powers it back on, it's almost instant. I thought a boot from E.Saver was supposed to take a relatively long time....

I have the same occurance. When simply allowing the TV to "power off" the set remains warm. I believe the only way to truely turn it off is with the power button on the set or the remote, otherwise E-saver is not in affect.

kenpachi

08-05-07, 12:53 PM

Kenpachi - Is this your original TV or did you swap recently?

Regards
No i swaped it on the 20th of last month and i got a new receipt with the date on it from that day.I called custumer service and they said my 30day started from date that my second receipt has

Woobieizer

08-05-07, 01:06 PM

No i swaped it on the 20th of last month and i got a new receipt with the date on it from that day.I called custumer service and they said my 30day started from date that my second receipt has

OK, so the first TV wouldn't pass Sound Via HDMI on any port 1~4 (Returned 7/30/2007)

This set is flickering over HDMI on a port other than 1 (You state will try)

How is the PS3 working, Did you manage to get sound? Is the firware version the same as your first one?

Woobieizer

08-05-07, 01:08 PM

I have the save occurance. When simply allowing the TV to "power off" the set remains warm. I believe the only way to truely turn it off is with the power button on the set or the remote, otherwise E-saver is not in affect.

Taken from POST 2051
TX-47F430S Specs by the manual Low to High
1w on E-save=3.415179 BTU/Hr
350w =1195.313 BTU/Hr
Backlight Reduction/Watts Results:Measured on HDMI-1.PC as source. Results vary depending on Device Source. An additional interest is the fluctuation in Power when a device is switching via remote or panel button. Caveat: No HDMI device I own port Digital Audio, so this does not factor into my figures. Your results may vary!

* 100%=297 Watts
* 90%=270 Watts
* 80%=243 Watts
* 70%=216 Watts
* 60%=189 Watts
* 50%=162 Watts
* 40%=144 Watts
* 30%=117 Watts
* 20%=99 Watts
* 10%=81 Watts
* 0%=63 Watts
* NIS=45 Watts
* Amber=DNR on CyberPower 1500LCD UPS

bhazard

08-05-07, 02:30 PM

BEASTMAN

08-05-07, 03:35 PM

Well guys I have just recently found this thread, have not followed it real close but I thought I would still post my input and story. If you dont want to read the story and just read my input on the TX47 go to the ****paragraph

I bought the Westinghouse LVM-42w2 last september (the 42" 1080p monitor), thought it was great, had a few problems: remote was weak, auto input change didnt work all the time, but it looked great except for one thing...

Ever since I got it I had to bars on each side of the tv that were darker than the rest of the screen. I didnt bother me much so I never called BB to come check it out.

I am moving this week so a couple weeks back I thought it was a good time for them to come fix it. So since I have the service plan and am under a year anyway I call BB and they come out to find that they cant fix it. They give me a authorization code to go to a store to swap it out with something similar since they do not carry the LVM line any more.

I get to BB and they tell me that they can only give me a few hundred less than what I payed since it comes up in the computer as a cheaper price, so I would end up having to pay an extra hundred just to swap it out for the TX-42F430S, which obviously I am not happy about. After talking to multiple managers, they finally say they will swap it out evenly, but of course they do not have it in stock. They say they cant order it to the store cause they cant promise I will get the same deal. I end up having to spend fifty on shipping, but I was so ready to get out of there i didnt care.

The new TX42 comes in a few days later: Didnt notice a brightness difference between the two, I could see that when on the ps3 backgrounds or colors that went from dark to light it was not smooth but obvious stripes of colors from dark to light, which wasnt on the LVM42. I find out that the HDMI2 port doesnt get sound so I decide to take it back, but to a different BB.

I find the 10% coupon on this thread and take the new TX42 to a different BB and find their customer service much better. I end up getting my fifty back from the shipping, my now 3 yr service plan extened to 4yrs for free, the TX47 was on sale and with the 10% off I end up getting it for only an extra seventy dollars. So very happy there obviously.

****I just picked up the TX47 today, I do enjoy the size difference after a year with the 42. The Color striping I saw in the TX42 is gone, all the HDMI ports and VGA work, havnt tried component with my wii yet. Ps3 works on all HDMI ports with audio (300 on bluray looks great), 360 works very well with the VGA. Love the new remote, the new menu, the new input switching, and love having 4 HDMI instead of the 1, do miss the DVI but I have a hdmi to dvi adapter for my computer. Colors look good, 360 and ps3 look great, wii im sure will. I like the new black border, anyway enough it looks and works great!

bhazard

08-05-07, 04:16 PM

I find out that the HDMI2 port doesnt get sound so I decide to take it back, but to a different BB.

Great to hear that you enjoy the TX47.

I have noticed though that you arent the first person to have sound issues with HDMI2 on the TX42.

This may be a widespread issue for the TX42s that does not appear with the TX47s. Everyone with a tx42 should check to see if HDMI2 can pass audio. The obvious workaround for this would be to use another port, but this is an issue worth noting. It may also be only on certain build dates, there are two so far, april 13th and june 26th.

armenhamer

08-05-07, 05:47 PM

I've got the April build date and right now have my cable box hooked up through HDMI port two and audio is passing through.

Great to hear that you enjoy the TX47.

I have noticed though that you arent the first person to have sound issues with HDMI2 on the TX42.

This may be a widespread issue for the TX42s that does not appear with the TX47s. Everyone with a tx42 should check to see if HDMI2 can pass audio. The obvious workaround for this would be to use another port, but this is an issue worth noting. It may also be only on certain build dates, there are two so far, april 13th and june 26th.

cheerful

08-05-07, 07:31 PM

Great to hear that you enjoy the TX47.

I have noticed though that you arent the first person to have sound issues with HDMI2 on the TX42.

This may be a widespread issue for the TX42s that does not appear with the TX47s. Everyone with a tx42 should check to see if HDMI2 can pass audio. The obvious workaround for this would be to use another port, but this is an issue worth noting. It may also be only on certain build dates, there are two so far, april 13th and june 26th.

I reported no audio over HDMI 2 before. I don't need 4 ports right now so that I am keeping it -- afraid getting back one that has more problems. I have 4 year psp so that I can get it fixed when needed.

kenpachi

08-05-07, 07:32 PM

OK, so the first TV wouldn't pass Sound Via HDMI on any port 1~4 (Returned 7/30/2007)

This set is flickering over HDMI on a port other than 1 (You state will try)

How is the PS3 working, Did you manage to get sound? Is the firware version the same as your first one?
no the first used to flicker with everything cable box ,elite,wii,ps2,ps3,tv output.This set dont pass sound thru the the optical,and on top of that now my ps3 flickers

bhazard

08-05-07, 08:05 PM

no the first used to flicker with everything cable box ,elite,wii,ps2,ps3,tv output.This set dont pass sound thru the the optical,and on top of that now my ps3 flickers

Are you using HDMI2? switch to HDMI1 and see if sound is ok, along with the flickering. It seems there might be a HDMI2 prob on some tx42s.

kenpachi

08-05-07, 08:31 PM

Are you using HDMI2? switch to HDMI1 and see if sound is ok, along with the flickering. It seems there might be a HDMI2 prob on some tx42s.
I did try the hdmi1 sound thing last night with no luck.But thats ok cause cause my friend bought a aquas today and he cant get digital sound thru the tv either.He did get a steel 1250+tax for a 42" aquas at CC.

kenpachi

08-05-07, 08:33 PM

Oh his aquas looks good as hell,but my westy is sure damm close to it in pq,the only thing i seen is that the aquas had better reds,but the greens were not as rich a little washed out.So over all i guess we cant have it all :D

kenpachi

08-05-07, 08:57 PM

ok guys today i had the pleasure to borrowed my friends VIKUITI LCD setup dvd with glasses,and after hours of setup this is what i got from it if anyone is interested. Brightness:31 contrast:80 Saruration:67 Hue:51 Sharpness:60 but it didn't make much difference that i could see so choose what ever you think backlight:80 Temp:Neutral This is what i'm using now will try a few movies and a few games tomorrow,if anyone trys this please post what ya think about the settings.

BioSpark

08-05-07, 09:46 PM

kenpachi

08-05-07, 09:55 PM

Hey everyone,

I just went out and bought my first TX-47F430S LCD TV. I've never had an HD system before so everything is brand new. My question is this:

I had a very basic cable package, I believe it was analog, only channels 1-29. No digital/no digital box etc, just a remote and my CRT tv. Now, I plugged in my HDTV, and it's picking up on HDtV channels. The quality compared to the old channel is great but my question is will it get better when I have my digital/HDTV box "digital" package with comcast that will be installed thursday? Or am I already getting the HD quality now?

I'm super confused as of why I have HD channels but no digital box. Can anyone help? your getting hd channels cause the tv comes with a built in tunner for off the air hd local channels ,but if you want discovery hd,A&e hd and all those other great channels on hd you need a hd box from comcast so i would go with the box,unless you dont care about those other premium channels.

flabioh

08-05-07, 09:56 PM

Hey everyone,

I just went out and bought my first TX-47F430S LCD TV. I've never had an HD system before so everything is brand new. My question is this:

I had a very basic cable package, I believe it was analog, only channels 1-29. No digital/no digital box etc, just a remote and my CRT tv. Now, I plugged in my HDTV, and it's picking up on HDtV channels. The quality compared to the old channel is great but my question is will it get better when I have my digital/HDTV box "digital" package with comcast that will be installed thursday? Or am I already getting the HD quality now?

I'm super confused as of why I have HD channels but no digital box. Can anyone help?

Welcome to the thread! The quality you are getting on the HD Channels is the exact same HD quality you'll get with the HDTV box. The only difference is that you can only pick up unencrypted HD channels with the TVs tuner. The HDTV box will let you get encrypted HD broadcasts that you pay for (like ESPN, etc).

Hope that helps!

Patman78

08-05-07, 10:38 PM

Hello everyone,

I have the TX-43F430S model and so far I have been impressed with the overall look of the model and the quality of the images that I get from it. I am experiencing problems, lockup problems to be exact. I have read the suggestions and changed the power settings. Disabled E-Saver, Disabled Power on Plug in, Disabled Sleep and I still experienced problems of the Set being unresponsive to the set controls and even the remote. I could only recover the power by unplugging the unit out of a power source and wait for a couple of seconds till the LED indicator goes out and plug it back it to power/recycle back on.

I also thing the Auto-Input feature may have something to do with it because my wife turns on the media center ( for the auto source ) before turning the set on and she encountered the lockup problem. Any new updates for the set? Is there a helpful link on the Westinghouse site to address this? I am thinking of returning it to BB since it is still under the 30 day mark. Only think about returning it to the BB that I bought it from is that they do not have inventory of it anymore and I am afraid of ordering another one if I will receive the same problems.

Any help suggestions will be greatly appreciated. Also do you guys experience the same lockout problems or do you think my problem is set specific that will warrant a immediate return/exchange?

xnappo

08-05-07, 10:41 PM

Hello everyone,

Any help suggestions will be greatly appreciated. Also do you guys experience the same lockout problems or do you think my problem is set specific?

This is the exact problem that I had - customer service told me to return it for another. I had this and the 'jutter' issue so returned for another brand (Philips). Not everyone is having this issue - so maybe if you can find one in stock you will be okay.

xnappo

cheerful

08-05-07, 11:15 PM

I had 3 lockups today over PC connection. Each time PC is in power saving mode with screen off. I switched the TV to PC and the screen is black. Move the mouse and the PC monitor came back on, not the TV. And the TV went into lockup and no longer respond to any remote action or buttons on the side. I had to unplug it. Has anyone got lockup over PC connection?

I gave myself another scare after these lockups. I reported before there is no audio for me over HDMI 2 but others worked fine. I popped a DVD movie in my Philips upscaling player, and found no audio over any HDMI port. Digital coax to receiver works fine. I was in panic mode and reset the TV. No change. Then I realized that this movie has DTS audio. I guess this TV does not have a DTS decoder.

Tried audio pass through from DVD player. No luck. TV audio does pass through as Dolby Prologic.

iLoveSax

08-05-07, 11:36 PM

From reading this thread, it appears that 7 out of 10 sets are defective. I wonder how close that is to the actual sample, i understand most people who got problem free set don't post on av forum.

I got flicker a bit but that resolved by changing HDMI cable, i would recommend that option for those with the flicker problem. Make sure where you buy your cable have some kind of return policy though.

To Xnappo: What is the different between flicker and scrawl jutter you often mention?

ReSultZ

08-06-07, 12:03 AM

hello everybody this is my first post on this site...

I own the TX-42F430S and I had a few questions(read threw ALOT of pages)
Should I use back lite..if so where should i put it?Any damage or shorter life span when its on?
Where do i find my firmware version?
Has the energy saver feature been fixed?
I notice a slight noise/buzzing when I use rca analog sound wires for my Motorolla comcast HD box..this normal??
Im trying to program the comcast remote with this tv for sound...but cant find a code..
called comcast they only knew 1 which didn't work :(
Is all these problems i been reading about a common thing with these models?

Hopefully somebody/s has answers to my big list of questions ;)

Woobieizer

08-06-07, 06:04 AM

hello everybody this is my first post on this site...

Where do i find my firmware version?
User Manual English pg 35 "System Info" diagrams how to use the OSD (On Screen Display)

Should I use back lite..if so where should i put it? Any damage or shorter life span when its on?
POST 2051 Woobieizer Power/Backlight/BTU'Heat (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=11144991&&#post11144991) POST 2046 - Xcalibur_255 - Pragmatic PQ Settings w/Suggested Backlight (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=11140903&&#post11140903)
Has the energy saver feature been fixed?
The "Lockup/E-Saver" feature is A hit list item. POST 1 - Huggybear - CONFIRMED ISSUES WITH THE TX SERIES (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/printthread.php?t=851860&p=10620130)
Is all these problems i been reading about a common thing with these models?
We are trying to become more orgainized and aware as of now.

Official Westinghouse TX Series ( TX-42F430S, TX-47F430S ) Owner's Thread
NOTE: We are currently compiling a list of known bugs/problems with the TX line to send off to Westinghouse. Below you will find what we have so far. Please feel free to provide your feedback by posting to the thread. CLICK HERE >>>>POST 2289 (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=11197562&&#post11197562)
I notice a slight noise/buzzing when I use rca analog sound wires for my Motorolla comcast HD box..this normal??
No. This could be caused by your backlight is set higher on the device you use for RCA interconnect, or your cable could be loose, or of less than desired quality.
Im trying to program the comcast remote...
Fresh batteries, closer to TV, try again, or just get a very reasonable All-in-One Example:
Radio Shack 6-in-one 15-2146 (Features Voice Setup Instructions) TV code 0000

Lutch

08-06-07, 09:39 AM

Well I got rid of my issue with the "sick" looking people, i.e. green in the shadows of peoples faces. I went into the manual settings and lowered the green for the "neutral" setting down a couple of spots. Now instead of a green tint, especially on guys with a bit of a 5 o'clock shadow, it is now much more realistic.

Also the flashlight issue I've been having seems to be diminished since I lowered the contrast and increased the brightness.

The popping sound while changing to an SD channel didn't show up this weekend.

I did loose sound a couple of times, but that was ALWAYS user error, I turned the receiver on before the TV by accident.

Having spent most of the weekend beating The Darkness, I must say that the picture quality was very good from the settings I had from the setup screen for the movie "Number 23". Then I messed around with them to experiment with some #'s I saw here, and then it seemed to loose a lot of the detail in the dark areas and was still washed out. But still enjoyed it greatly.

Again having read a previous post a few back, ALWAYS turn the TV on FIRST, wait for it to connect then turn on the peripherals!

So in summary, this being the my second TX42 (other died due to lockup-never turned on again), I am VERY happy with it now. Issues I thought were there have disappeared with some tweaking.

xnappo

08-06-07, 09:46 AM

To Xnappo: What is the different between flicker and scrawl jutter you often mention?

Scrawl jutter looks a lot different - it is much more subtle. It is hard to describe - but if you tune to a channel with a scrawl running you will see that once every two seconds it appears to drop a frame. Once you see it on the scrawl, you will probably notice the missing frame watching normal TV - especially when the camera pans across the screen.

For me, my set always did this with component hooked up from my SA8300HD. With HDMI, it would be fine for a while and then start to drop frames. When I would power off/on the set, it would go away for a while.

Others have seen this too - and I suspect more people have the issue and don't notice it. Once you notice it the first time - it is really easy to see the next time is starts happening.

xnappo

Lutch

08-06-07, 10:02 AM

I forgot to add that I finally got a hold of the Westinghouse guy who was supposed to take care of my broken remote that came with my second TV. He was very helpful and quickly got all my information to send me out a new remote Friday, hopefully I'll have it soon.

Xcalibur_255

08-06-07, 12:12 PM

So .... does this mean no one knows what the purple light means? :)

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=11218769&&#post11218769
The LED is dual element. Amber when off and blue when on. It means for some reason the amber element is not turning off when you turn on your set. Yellow + blue = purple. A harmless defect I would say. Consider yours customized. :)

mnksauce

08-06-07, 01:48 PM

when i was playing with my harmony 880 and the westy, my status light turned to purple too.

i think the remote sent a funny signal to the westy or it wasn't complete, so both lights stayed on. After i re-did the settings on my harmony the "problem" went away. I kind of liked the purple like though.

bhazard

08-06-07, 02:34 PM

After 2 months of ownership, i gotta say this TV is awesome. Any issue that I have/had is fixable (I dont use OTA, normal energy mode), and I have not gotten a flicker on HDMI1 w PS3 after switching to it. 1080P on all ports is something not too many tvs have, + I am outputting DD5.1 from the TV through HDMI (gonna check on DTS next, although since the audio is being bypassed to the receiver it shouldnt matter).

Its cheap, crisp, has great colors, no dead pixels, no mura, no banding. Aside from the black levels which could be better, this TV is a great for 1080p now at a good price. Now i'm kinda interested in the tx52. We'll see in a month.

systimax

08-06-07, 02:58 PM

Is it possible with Stan Def signal to put black bars to the side and top so it doesnt stretch the He11 and back?

bhazard

08-06-07, 03:03 PM

Is it possible with Stan Def signal to put black bars to the side and top so it doesnt stretch the He11 and back?

Standard mode? Using the standard aspect shows the picture as it was intended.

BioSpark

08-06-07, 03:04 PM

bhazard

08-06-07, 03:14 PM

Hey Guys!

It's the newbie again. I went out and bought Philips Component Video Cables and plugged them in. The difference I saw looked pretty good but my question is this: Would it look even better if I went and got the comcast DVR with the HDMI input (It would be 30 dollars more a month for their box), or is the difference slight at best?

Thanks again for being so patient!

HDMI all the way. Component will look pretty good in HD, but the sharpest picture will come from HDMI. You can run audio through that HDMI cable and output optical audio to your audio receiver from the TV as well (I use the Comcast Motorola DCT 6412III w HDMI).

nvrnuff

08-06-07, 03:49 PM

Hey all. New here.

I bought this model just about a month ago from BB ($1500 before tax, hooray for coupons and sales). It's a really great panel with some pretty robust features, and especially for the price. The input set is great; maybe replace one of the HDMI's with a DVI, but otherwise, great. The menus are user friendly and fairly extensive, and whether it's plain or not, I'm a fan of the aesthetics of the set itself.

If you're having problems with the blacks, I would recommend turning the backlight down to around 40 (much easier on the eyes anyway), the contrast down a little (45 or so), and the brightness up to taste (mine's at 60 I believe). And for God's sake, don't use Enhanced mode. It's meant for store show rooms to make the image all bright and sell-able. Nothing that hasn't already been said here.

I do have a few questions though (some of these might come from my lack of experience with HD setups in general):

1) Has anyone else experienced a dull hum in the audio of their cable signal (through a dvr cable box, in my case)? It's non-existent in computer or video game console audio, and it's not the cable box - it's been noticeable in two different boxes. I'm thinking it may just be a fact of life or because my power cables are necessarily close to my coaxial source from the wall.

2) Someone PLEASE tell me there's a fix for that damned purple line that comes across in 1080i signals. I scanned over the previous 80 some pages of posts, but maybe I missed it. Does it go away with a DVI or HDMI cable (as opposed to component)? It's one pixel line high, but flickers JUST enough to bother me. Maybe a BB tech can go into the service menu and move the image down a row?

3) Are the component inputs on one hub like the HDMI inputs are? In other words, I have a Wii and my cable box both connected over component. The cable box I keep in "standard" size, while the Wii I like to use in "fill" size. But I can find no way to keep one component input set to standard and the other set to fill. They seem to share this setting (but NOT color settings... weird).

4) I'm assuming the black levels of this model are fairly standard for current LCD panels of this size. Or does anyone know of a 1080p LCD with blacks comparable to plasmas?

5) Now that I've gotten a little more contrast out of those blacks by brightening up the image, I've lost some color depth. Any way to get the reds a little deeper or is this just not going to happen?

6) What does the deinterlacing option actually change, and can I use it to fix the purple line? I don't feel like that option is accurately named...

7) Anyone ever get the 5.1 to pass through from input to SPDIF out from the TV?

My BB 30 days is getting short, so any advice sooner would be better. Thanks in advance.

cheerful

08-06-07, 03:52 PM

BioSpark

08-06-07, 04:00 PM

I guess I should put it this way:

In order to have the HDMI hookup in the digital box, I need to purchase the DvR box through comcast which is 13 dollars (or so) a month to rent. Now, from what I understand, you must also upgrade your package to the Digital "Silver" package which is an additional 30 dollars a month.

In total, the bill would be 140 dollars a month (Including high speed internet) for the first six months (Which I don't plan on paying the entire time due to the fact that I'm deploying for three months and plan on canceling the service).

Now, is the HDMI really worth the additional money? And/or is juice is worth the squeeze?

bhazard

08-06-07, 04:05 PM

For DD 5.1, you mean from the TV source or an external source such as a player?

I could not get any passthrough, only from TV reception. Of course no luck for DTS from player either.

DD5.1 (HDMI1) Playstation 3 via HDMI cable to TV on MANUAL settings, outputting DD 5.1 through TV optical into my receiver (going to test if it passes DTS to the receiver).

DD5.1 (HDMI2) Motorola DCT6412III via HDMI cable to TV, on PASSTHROUGH setting in the hidden menu. Outputting DD5.1 through TV optical into my receiver.

Have you tried any other source besides that DVD player? Sounds like it might have some issues with the TV.

Lutch

08-06-07, 04:07 PM

For DD 5.1, you mean from the TV source or an external source such as a player?

I could not get any passthrough, only from TV reception. Of course no luck for DTS from player either.

Are you saying you can get DD5.1 from an OTA broadcast through your coax? If so how, because I don't think anyone else is able to get it to do that. I do know it can pass through DD5.1 via the HDMI in then the Audio-Fiber out.

bhazard

08-06-07, 04:20 PM

bhazard

08-06-07, 04:22 PM

Are you saying you can get DD5.1 from an OTA broadcast through your coax? If so how, because I don't think anyone else is able to get it to do that. I do know it can pass through DD5.1 via the HDMI in then the Audio-Fiber out.

I dont use OTA, cant get signal where I am.

cheerful

08-06-07, 04:29 PM

Lutch

08-06-07, 04:43 PM

I dont use OTA, cant get signal where I am.

I'm sorry I misstated, I didn't mean OTA I mean via basic cable with the coax, and not through a cable box.

bhazard

08-06-07, 04:47 PM

I have the Jun 26 build date and currently only have OTA and the DVD player.

1. Which show should I watch to see if I get DD 5.1 pass through?

2. Is the TV able to decode DTS? I tried Jurassic Park and get no audio out of the TV.

thanks!

1. As of right now, the TV with OTA wont pass through 5.1.

2. I'll try DTS tonight, just need to find a disc with it. I don't think the TV will decode DTS itself, but it should pass the signal to a receiver. Im sure my PS3 can decode it and pass it through.

bhazard

08-06-07, 04:49 PM

I'm sorry I misstated, I didn't mean OTA I mean via basic cable with the coax, and not through a cable box.

Since you cannot choose how audio outputs (just like with OTA), it wont work without a cable box as of now.

Lutch

08-06-07, 04:49 PM

I have the Jun 26 build date and currently only have OTA and the DVD player.

1. Which show should I watch to see if I get DD 5.1 pass through?

2. Is the TV able to decode DTS? I tried Jurassic Park and get no audio out of the TV.

thanks!

If you're trying to get the TV to pass DD5.1 from your Coax input out through your Digital Audio out, it will not do so from what I understand. It is a a bug that I believe Westy is aware of.

cavalry12

08-06-07, 04:53 PM

Hey Guys!

It's the newbie again. I went out and bought Philips Component Video Cables and plugged them in. The difference I saw looked pretty good but my question is this: Would it look even better if I went and got the comcast DVR with the HDMI input (It would be 30 dollars more a month for their box), or is the difference slight at best?

Thanks again for being so patient!

I use Comcast's DCT3416 Phase 1. It has both component and HDMI connections. The difference between HDMI and component, though present, is not a night and day thing. At times, it is subtle, most noticeable on the guide with lots of text. HDMI does have an edge with what seems like more accurate flesh tones as well slightly more defined image.

cheerful

08-06-07, 05:07 PM

To clarify, here is what I know so far from my TV, OTA HD, and Philips DVD Player. I think I am a bit confused with this part.

1. No sound on TV for DTS audio from the player

2. DTS won't be passed down from HDMI via TV toslink to my receiver either.

3. DD5.1 audio won't be passed from HDMI via TV toslink to my reciever

4. OTA TV reception can pass down Dolby Pro Logic audio to the receiver via toslink

Need to do:

a. find a TV show with DD5.1 to test pass down from TV signal. Please advice on which show would carry DD5.1 audio

I am not sure if build date or firmware makes difference. I have Jun 26 build date.

Thanks!

x84HurstOlds

08-06-07, 05:07 PM

2) Someone PLEASE tell me there's a fix for that damned purple line that comes across in 1080i signals. I scanned over the previous 80 some pages of posts, but maybe I missed it. Does it go away with a DVI or HDMI cable (as opposed to component)? It's one pixel line high, but flickers JUST enough to bother me. Maybe a BB tech can go into the service menu and move the image down a row?

I'm going to have to say it *will* go away with DVI/HDMI, since I have never seen this dreaded purple line at all (and I've never fed the TV 1080i over component either :)

3) Are the component inputs on one hub like the HDMI inputs are? In other words, I have a Wii and my cable box both connected over component. The cable box I keep in "standard" size, while the Wii I like to use in "fill" size. But I can find no way to keep one component input set to standard and the other set to fill. They seem to share this setting (but NOT color settings... weird).

I never thought about it - I always thought that the aspect ratio was a single setting for *all* inputs. I.e., if I put it on overscan when watching component in, and then change to say, my PC on HDMI, I'd expect to not be able to see my menu bar and most icons until I put it back on standard. But in any case, if the colors are different, then I would say it's probably not a hub, at least not the way that the HDMI inputs are.

4) I'm assuming the black levels of this model are fairly standard for current LCD panels of this size. Or does anyone know of a 1080p LCD with blacks comparable to plasmas?

Not that I know of, I think these sets do okay as LCDs go.

7) Anyone ever get the 5.1 to pass through from input to SPDIF out from the TV?

I can't, but people say they have with a PS3 and the right settings. No one has done it from the internal tuner, and I can't do it from my S3 Tivo.

Ed

x84HurstOlds

08-06-07, 05:15 PM

I have the Jun 26 build date and currently only have OTA and the DVD player.

1. Which show should I watch to see if I get DD 5.1 pass through?

2. Is the TV able to decode DTS? I tried Jurassic Park and get no audio out of the TV.

thanks!

The CSI's are often broadcast in 5.1 (all of them) but depends on your local affiliate / cable provider.

The TV will NOT decode DTS (or any other surround format for that matter), you need a receiver or pre/pro to do that. Actually, most DVD players these days will do DD, and a good many will do DTS. So assuming you're feeding it from a DVD player, check the logos on the front of the thing, then look through the player menus, you can let it do the decoding.

Personally, I feed all my audio direct to my pre/pro. I can't think of a good reason to run audio to the TV unless you don't have a system or you're short on inputs, and even then...

Ed

x84HurstOlds

08-06-07, 05:17 PM

x84HurstOlds

08-06-07, 05:27 PM

Hey everyone,

I know every TV will inherentely be flawed to a degree and people will write about them on boards such as these etc etc. I'm not to worried about the few neagtive things I have read, however could someone give me the cliff notes version on the
E SAVER ISSUE?

Also becasue we have young kids under 3 who love playing with remotes (namely turning them off and on pushing buttons etc) I was considering getting the exteneded warranty.....Could anyone comment on whether these are worth it, neccessary, for 150.00 it doesn't see all that bad. FYI I bought @ Best Buy

Thanks In advance

Okay first I have to say, I think people are taking it as gospel that there *is* an "E(nergy) Saver" Issue, when in fact, I don't believe that has been proven.

Cliff's Notes: In "E. Saver" mode, the TV basically is doing a cold boot when turned on (if turned off by the power button). Some people have had lockups during the boot process or, like me, following a power outage. Again, I've seen nothing to say that these TVs would not have locked in "Normal" power mode, or that being in E. Saver is the source of the problem, but some people have decided not to use it.

In Normal mode, you will use a LOT more power, and generate heat, and certain components of the TV will be "always on". Personally, I find that unacceptable, and even though I lost my first TV to lockup, I have been using E. Saver mode for a couple months now with no ill effects.

PSP: I'm not a huge fan, but on a purchase this size, for an item as flaky as current large LCD TV's in general, given all the potential issues, and the highly "computerized" nature of these things, and the non-user-serviceability of them...it's a no-brainer. Get it, you'll sleep better at night. Maybe even use E. Saver without fear :p

Ed

Woobieizer

08-06-07, 05:27 PM

Woobieizer

08-06-07, 05:36 PM

1) Has anyone else experienced a dull hum in the audio...
Are you using Coax surge protection similar to the circled item in the picture?
http://www.webuildsolutions.com/images/products/cyberpower-880.jpg

cheerful

08-06-07, 05:47 PM

The CSI's are often broadcast in 5.1 (all of them) but depends on your local affiliate / cable provider.

The TV will NOT decode DTS (or any other surround format for that matter), you need a receiver or pre/pro to do that. Actually, most DVD players these days will do DD, and a good many will do DTS. So assuming you're feeding it from a DVD player, check the logos on the front of the thing, then look through the player menus, you can let it do the decoding.

Personally, I feed all my audio direct to my pre/pro. I can't think of a good reason to run audio to the TV unless you don't have a system or you're short on inputs, and even then...

Ed

Short or input here.

cheerful

08-06-07, 05:48 PM

Now that's some Awsome news! Two running HDMI components that pass their DD5.1 thru your TV into your (External) Reciever.
May be overkill to mention, yet your Audio Setting on the TV is set to HDMI1 > Digital
Correct?

This was what is confusing me. Can we get the TV to pass through DD5.1 or not?

Woobieizer

08-06-07, 05:55 PM

Hey everyone,
I know every TV will inherentely be flawed to a degree and people will write about them on boards such as these etc etc. I'm not to worried about the few neagtive things I have read, however could someone give me the cliff notes version on the
E SAVER ISSUE?
Also becasue we have young kids under 3 who love playing with remotes (namely turning them off and on pushing buttons etc) I was considering getting the exteneded warranty.....Could anyone comment on whether these are worth it, neccessary, for 150.00 it doesn't see all that bad. FYI I bought @ Best Buy

Thanks In advance
Okay first I have to say, I think people are taking it as gospel that there *is* an "E(nergy) Saver" Issue, when in fact, I don't believe that has been proven.

Cliff's Notes: In "E. Saver" mode, the TV basically is doing a cold boot when turned on (if turned off by the power button). Some people have had lockups during the boot process or, like me, following a power outage. Again, I've seen nothing to say that these TVs would not have locked in "Normal" power mode, or that being in E. Saver is the source of the problem, but some people have decided not to use it.

In Normal mode, you will use a LOT more power, and generate heat, and certain components of the TV will be "always on". Personally, I find that unacceptable, and even though I lost my first TV to lockup, I have been using E. Saver mode for a couple months now with no ill effects.

PSP: I'm not a huge fan, but on a purchase this size, for an item as flaky as current large LCD TV's in general, given all the potential issues, and the highly "computerized" nature of these things, and the non-user-serviceability of them...it's a no-brainer. Get it, you'll sleep better at night. Maybe even use E. Saver without fear :p

Ed
Ditto!

Lutch

08-06-07, 06:02 PM

My TV (TX-42) does pass through DD5.1, as long as it is merly passing it through, like with the PS3 it can send the audio signal via the HDMI, then the TV sends it through to the Toslink. This is how I'm getting my PS3 to work.

Now getting DD5.1 via the coax into the TV and out with the Toslink is a different story. Again I don't know of anyone on here that has accomplished this.

Woobieizer

08-06-07, 06:04 PM

This was what is confusing me. Can we get the TV to pass through DD5.1 or not?
HDMI not OTA. The tuner for (Over The Air), which bhazard states he is not using, will not, has not, been proven, by any user yet, to pass any HD broadcasted Dolby Digital 5.1 signal thru our TX's via a toslink into a External Audio Reciever that can/will decode DD 5.1.

It is great news to hear bhazard has TWO (2) HDMI devices that do not flicker, and will pass the source components DD5.1 content through the TV via a toslink cable into a receiver capable of decoding DD5.1. whew...

kenpachi

08-06-07, 06:08 PM

To clarify, here is what I know so far from my TV, OTA HD, and Philips DVD Player. I think I am a bit confused with this part.

1. No sound on TV for DTS audio from the player

2. DTS won't be passed down from HDMI via TV toslink to my receiver either.

3. DD5.1 audio won't be passed from HDMI via TV toslink to my reciever

4. OTA TV reception can pass down Dolby Pro Logic audio to the receiver via toslink

I am not sure if build date or firmware makes difference. I have Jun 26 build date.

Thanks!
i'm also having the same problem when it comes to passing sound from any hdmi input to my receiver.I also have the same built.I called westy and they told me it was sound board to take the tv back,of course i didn't cause i had no flickering at the time.Now that i had flickering with my ps3 they dont have any at the store

tokiidokii

08-06-07, 08:08 PM

hi everyone!

man i've been so busy at work i haven't had time to check up on this amazing thread :D.

anyways, it's been almost 1 month now and no glaring problems at all! and i'm glad i'm seeing so many people who are enjoying this truly 'amazing' tv. anyway, i haven't read all the ones i've missed but someone mentioned about always turning the tv on before anything else (i've done this little ritual for a while now and never really thought about it until i saw that post).

well, i'm really beginning to believe this is true. i've been running e.saver mode for a while now with autosource off. anyway, 2 days ago, i started feeding info from the computer before my tv fully turned on. and guess what... it locked up :eek:

now, i haven't really done more testing but this theory might hold some ground. anyway, i just turned on my tv without anything else on and voila... no problems :D:D:D

i would love to do some testing but i'm enjoying this tv way too much! as always, if i see anything i'll keep you guys posted. big thanks for the amazing group of people in this thread btw for helping me choose my first HDTV.

flabioh

08-06-07, 09:14 PM

I finally got a DVI>HDMI cable and set up my HTPC on it (running a Radeon 9500). At first I could not get the video card to output at 1080p. I could get it to output at all kinds of other crazy resolutions but 1080p:60Hz just would not display. It took me a good 30 minutes to remember the control panel settings had a couple DVI settings that I remembered reading earlier in this thread. I unchecked them and 1080p showed up.

Coming from the VGA port the difference isn't THAT big. I mean I got rid of all the image ghosting that was going on with the VGA but that was so slight I couldn't see it from the 8 feet away on my couch. But, at least now I know it is the best I can get it. The cable was only 10 bucks so it was worth it.

The only sucky thing is now if I switch away from my computer and go back to HDMI I have to move the arrow keys on my firefly remote to "wake up" the signal. I never had to do that using VGA. I don't think this is a problem, but my wife thinks pressing one extra button somehow makes this worse than it was before. :)

jterp7

08-06-07, 09:55 PM

ReSultZ

08-06-07, 10:17 PM

thx 4 answering my questions...

my firmware is dated april...

where/how can i update my fw?

Carlp336

08-06-07, 10:30 PM

went and saw the tx-47 at best buy what a beauty !
but now im still torn between the lwm47 dang it any help ?

Woobieizer

08-06-07, 10:35 PM

thx 4 answering my questions...

my firmware is dated april...

where/how can i update my fw?

Now your asking A GOOD Question!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :)

Woobieizer

08-06-07, 10:40 PM

Woobieizer

08-06-07, 10:54 PM

I finally got a DVI>HDMI cable and set up my HTPC on it (running a Radeon 9500).
The only sucky thing is now if I switch away from my computer and go back to HDMI I have to move the arrow keys on my firefly remote to "wake up" the signal. I never had to do that using VGA. I don't think this is a problem, but my wife thinks pressing one extra button somehow makes this worse than it was before. :)

I donno, but check your screensaver > Power Schemes on your video card and make sure they are not turning the "Monitor" Off. That, if fixes the situation, mean you wont need to upgrade your wife to version 1.1 :o

cheerful

08-06-07, 11:05 PM

HDMI not OTA. The tuner for (Over The Air), which bhazard states he is not using, will not, has not, been proven, by any user yet, to pass any HD broadcasted Dolby Digital 5.1 signal thru our TX's via a toslink into a External Audio Reciever that can/will decode DD 5.1.

It is great news to hear bhazard has TWO (2) HDMI devices that do not flicker, and will pass the source components DD5.1 content through the TV via a toslink cable into a receiver capable of decoding DD5.1. whew...

1. Watched CSI Miami on CBS tonight. Audio on receiver shows Dolby Pro Logic. I am not sophicated enough but I know this is not DD5.1. So no DD5.1 pass-through from OTA HD TV. Can someone educate me on how much I am missing with Dolby Pro Logic in stead of DD?

2. Installed an nVidia card (X800 is really hard to configure with this TV) and hooked up DVI-HDMI port 1 with analog audio.

2a. Video is definitely better compared to VGA (watched beginning of Planet Earth 1).

2b. Analog audio does get passed down to receiver from the analog output

3. Need to find another HDMI DD5.1 source for testing.

Really wish there is DD audio pass through. I guess that's meant to be. Maybe I should invest in Harmony... Upgrading receiver is just too expensive.

Woobieizer

08-06-07, 11:10 PM

3. Need to find another HDMI DD5.1 source for testing.

On item 3.. me too. Got too close at the PS3 tonight, thankfully there was a glass partition keeping me at bay.

Keep your fingers crossed. Maybe the HDMI-fariy will put something under our pillow tonight.

Lutch

08-07-07, 12:42 AM

Okay I was thinking here, maybe the issue I had with lock up had something to do with board QC? Because I also had issues with the coax connection, if I would rotate the TV on my wall mount so that I can access the back I would loose the cable signal every time. I'm just saying that there seemed to be multiple issues with the first TV I had and possibly they were connected. My second TV does not drop out when I'm rotating the unit.

nvrnuff

08-07-07, 01:37 AM

any definitive answer on whether or not HDMI or DVI (as opposed to component) will get rid of the purple line at the bottom of the screen on 1080i images?

kenpachi

08-07-07, 02:42 AM

cheerful

08-07-07, 07:06 AM

Woobieizer

08-07-07, 08:33 AM

does anybody have any component blurryness on the 360,ps3 wii or anything.Today i decided to test the my brothers 360 cause he said it wasn't reading games and when i hooked it up via conponent looks like s@*t really blurry and washed out really bad i tried setting up the shapness but did not help what so ever.I tried to ignore the problem,but like veryone else i couldn't so i decided to try the ps3 looked like s@*t too,wii like s@*t cable box like s@*t :mad: .Now remember i have firmware 1.3 and my last set was flawless to pq but had the flickering from hell and with only a few days under my 30 window i was hoping to see if anyone could check there's to see if they get the blurryness thru component.Any help would be highly thanked from the bottom of my heart :D

IF they had looked good at one point, but now look bad (for some odd reason)
Revisit-Hosed Display POST 2237 (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=11182350&&#post11182350)

nascar24

08-07-07, 09:25 AM

1. Watched CSI Miami on CBS tonight. Audio on receiver shows Dolby Pro Logic. I am not sophicated enough but I know this is not DD5.1. So no DD5.1 pass-through from OTA HD TV. Can someone educate me on how much I am missing with Dolby Pro Logic in stead of DD?

2. Installed an nVidia card (X800 is really hard to configure with this TV) and hooked up DVI-HDMI port 1 with analog audio.

2a. Video is definitely better compared to VGA (watched beginning of Planet Earth 1).

2b. Analog audio does get passed down to receiver from the analog output

3. Need to find another HDMI DD5.1 source for testing.

Really wish there is DD audio pass through. I guess that's meant to be. Maybe I should invest in Harmony... Upgrading receiver is just too expensive.

Whats all the talk of ATI cards being hard to configure with this TV? I have a 37W1 right now and have never had any issues with it working correctly with my X1800XT and my new HD2900XT. Of coarse I was connecting through DVI, I guess I will find out as the 2900XT has native support for HDMI and also is able to pass sound through the video card. I guess I will find out saturday.

jterp7

08-07-07, 09:46 AM

does anybody have any component blurryness on the 360,ps3 wii or anything.Today i decided to test the my brothers 360 cause he said it wasn't reading games and when i hooked it up via conponent looks like s@*t really blurry and washed out really bad i tried setting up the shapness but did not help what so ever.I tried to ignore the problem,but like veryone else i couldn't so i decided to try the ps3 looked like s@*t too,wii like s@*t cable box like s@*t :mad: .Now remember i have firmware 1.3 and my last set was flawless to pq but had the flickering from hell and with only a few days under my 30 window i was hoping to see if anyone could check there's to see if they get the blurryness thru component.Any help would be highly thanked from the bottom of my heart :D

I have the last generation systems hooked up through component and I will say that the GC looks at least 2x as good as the ps2, especially with progressive scan games, much sharper.

nibbs159

08-07-07, 09:56 AM

any definitive answer on whether or not HDMI or DVI (as opposed to component) will get rid of the purple line at the bottom of the screen on 1080i images?

HDMI + 1080i + Deinterlacing ON = no purple line
HDMI + 1080i + Deinterlacing OFF = purple line at TOP of the screen

I see no reason to turn deinterlacing off so hopefully HDMI is the solution to your problem.

This flashing purple line is driving me crazy as well. I'm only using one device @ 1080i over component, my Xbox 360 HD DVD player. It is really annoying to watch a movie with that line flickering. I really don't want to spend $50 on a VGA cable when the problem obviously lies in the TV. I've tried turning deinterlacing off during HD DVD movies and I think it made the image less sharp. I just rented another movie so maybe I'll give it another shot. Less sharp is less annoying than flashing purple line but defeats the purpose of high def...

xnappo

08-07-07, 09:58 AM

This flashing purple line is driving me crazy as well. I'm only using one device @ 1080i over component, my Xbox 360 HD DVD player. It is really annoying to watch a movie with that line flickering. I really don't want to spend $50 on a VGA cable when the problem obviously lies in the TV. I've tried turning deinterlacing off during HD DVD movies and I think it made the image less sharp. I just rented another movie so maybe I'll give it another shot. Less sharp is less annoying than flashing purple line but defeats the purpose of high def...

Use fill mode instead of normal. Normal should only be used with digital sources (DVI/HDMI).

xnappo

bhazard

08-07-07, 10:09 AM

does anybody have any component blurryness on the 360,ps3 wii or anything.Today i decided to test the my brothers 360 cause he said it wasn't reading games and when i hooked it up via conponent looks like s@*t really blurry and washed out really bad i tried setting up the shapness but did not help what so ever.I tried to ignore the problem,but like veryone else i couldn't so i decided to try the ps3 looked like s@*t too,wii like s@*t cable box like s@*t :mad: .Now remember i have firmware 1.3 and my last set was flawless to pq but had the flickering from hell and with only a few days under my 30 window i was hoping to see if anyone could check there's to see if they get the blurryness thru component.Any help would be highly thanked from the bottom of my heart :D

You have the TX42 right? Component in general is not as sharp as VGA or HDMI, but on my tx47 its not horribly bad at all. Were you using the 360 in 1080p?

Wii and PS2 will always look like **** at 480p compared to what you're used to with HD. On my old (but semi awesome) rp hdtv, socom was so blurry i had to shoot at moving colors in the distance.

bhazard

08-07-07, 10:18 AM

HDMI + 1080i + Deinterlacing ON = no purple line
HDMI + 1080i + Deinterlacing OFF = purple line at TOP of the screen

I see no reason to turn deinterlacing off so hopefully HDMI is the solution to your problem.

This flashing purple line is driving me crazy as well. I'm only using one device @ 1080i over component, my Xbox 360 HD DVD player. It is really annoying to watch a movie with that line flickering. I really don't want to spend $50 on a VGA cable when the problem obviously lies in the TV. I've tried turning deinterlacing off during HD DVD movies and I think it made the image less sharp. I just rented another movie so maybe I'll give it another shot. Less sharp is less annoying than flashing purple line but defeats the purpose of high def...

Try to find a sale on the cable or see if you can find a third party 360 VGA cable. The VGA cable enables DVD upconverting and 1080p output on the HD-DVD player. I have it and its awesome. 360 also looks quite a bit better in VGA 1080p.

Lutch

08-07-07, 11:00 AM

does anybody have any component blurryness on the 360,ps3 wii or anything.Today i decided to test the my brothers 360 cause he said it wasn't reading games and when i hooked it up via conponent looks like s@*t really blurry and washed out really bad i tried setting up the shapness but did not help what so ever.I tried to ignore the problem,but like veryone else i couldn't so i decided to try the ps3 looked like s@*t too,wii like s@*t cable box like s@*t :mad: .Now remember i have firmware 1.3 and my last set was flawless to pq but had the flickering from hell and with only a few days under my 30 window i was hoping to see if anyone could check there's to see if they get the blurryness thru component.Any help would be highly thanked from the bottom of my heart :D

Kenpachi, first off update your DAMN firmware for the PS3! It is NOT difficult :p , you can download it onto a USB memory card and use that to update it, if the PS3 isn't connected to the internet! :)

Second I have my XBOX 360 connected via component cables and it looks fine, granted not as good as HDMI, but not far off in my opionion. There was one game that had "hard" shadows that didn't really look like shadows, but I have a feeling that's the game's issue. NCAA 2007 looks great on it.

kenpachi

08-07-07, 11:37 AM

Kenpachi, first off update your DAMN firmware for the PS3! It is NOT difficult :p , you can download it onto a USB memory card and use that to update it, if the PS3 isn't connected to the internet! :)

Second I have my XBOX 360 connected via component cables and it looks fine, granted not as good as HDMI, but not far off in my opionion. There was one game that had "hard" shadows that didn't really look like shadows, but I have a feeling that's the game's issue. NCAA 2007 looks great on it.
i have the latest firmware for all my systems as i had stated last time that i was having sound pass thru problems.

kenpachi

08-07-07, 11:38 AM

I tried 360 over component and it's fine. Did you switch to HD on the output?
yes i have the hdtv switch on the right spot

kenpachi

08-07-07, 11:41 AM

IF they had looked good at one point, but now look bad (for some odd reason)
Revisit-Hosed Display POST 2237 (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=11182350&&#post11182350)
i had never tried the component on this set till yesterday.My first set i did cause wanted to see how good the imputs were,and on that set every single input looked good as hell.

Lutch

08-07-07, 11:47 AM

i have the latest firmware for all my systems as i had stated last time that i was having sound pass thru problems.

Your post said you were using firmware 1.3 for the PS3, maybe I misread that you were saying you HAD 1.3 and didn't have PQ problem? But now that you do have Firmware 1.9 you have PQ issues, am I correct. I'm not trying to be a dick or anything, I was just trying to give you a hard time. ;)

kenpachi

08-07-07, 11:47 AM

You have the TX42 right? Component in general is not as sharp as VGA or HDMI, but on my tx47 its not horribly bad at all. Were you using the 360 in 1080p?

Wii and PS2 will always look like **** at 480p compared to what you're used to with HD. On my old (but semi awesome) rp hdtv, socom was so blurry i had to shoot at moving colors in the distance.
yes i have the 42" and this is my second set like i said first one the picture was nice and smooth and really sharp,with this one is blurry.The text on the dashboard are really blurry and even if mess with the shapness nothing

kenpachi

08-07-07, 11:48 AM

Your post said you were using firmware 1.3 for the PS3, maybe I misread that you were saying you HAD 1.3 and didn't have PQ problem? But now that you do have Firmware 1.9 you have PQ issues, am I correct. I'm not trying to be a dick or anything, I was just trying to give you a hard time. ;)
no the tv firmware is 1.3 since is my second set,sorry for not being clear

kenpachi

08-07-07, 11:51 AM

Ok i just tried changing resolutions on the 360 and ps3.The 360 when i have it on 720 looks crazy gook with no blurryness or color loss but when i bump it up to 1080i or 1080p looks like 480i :confused: same with the ps3

bhazard

08-07-07, 12:01 PM

jterp7

08-07-07, 12:05 PM

component inputs having issues with 1080i/p...or does the tv itself having problems, like does OTA 1080i still look okay?

Scatter12

08-07-07, 12:27 PM

I just purchased the TX-42F430S and I notice that when I am watching cable there is a click noise. If I turn the sound off the click goes away, if I change the channel the click will delay for ablut 5 seconds and then it will continue. Has anyone else heard of this problem or does anyone know how to fix? Any information you guys can provide would be greatly appreciated. Thanks

huggybear

08-07-07, 12:28 PM

Hi all, been getting a little more busy with work so I haven't checked in for a while.... it appears that the current list of problems/flaws/bugs/etc with the TX series found on the first page (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=851860&page=1&pp=30) is pretty comprehensive. I've gone through some of the older posts and the common complaints that have been voiced since the TX line came out are all on the list. So I am thinking that we can leave it open a little while longer (like a week) and then it is time to start drafting the letter to Westinghouse.

Please review the list and if you feel that something has been missed please speak up in either a PM or in the thread. Keep in mind that the list is meant to contain issues that can be addressed by Westinghouse via a firmware update. So issues like no 5.1 audio via the internal tuner or frame judder should be raised, while others that cannot be addressed via a firmware update such as the range of the remote control are better left alone.

I am copying in the list from the first post here as well to further increase awareness:

NOTE: We are currently compiling a list of known bugs/problems with the TX line to send off to Westinghouse. Below you will find what we have so far. Please feel free to provide your feedback by posting to the thread.

CONFIRMED ISSUES WITH THE TX SERIES

1) 5.1 DD Via Internal Tuner (Both QAM and OTA)

This must be fixed!! The hardware is clearly capable of passing through 5.1 via the SPDIF out. As I posted earlier, Westinghouse told me to try cycling through the digital audio options (English, Spanish, French) to see if any of those would bring up the 5.1 audio stream. They simply need to add something to the firmware to allow 5.1 to be selected from the digital audio menu if it is present in the broadcast.

2) Lockup Problems

This must be addressed as in some cases (such as my first TX) the lockup cannot be recovered from and the set must be returned.

3) Frame judder

I don't have this problem myself but other have reported it. My understanding of it is that the video and audio will start juddering and the only way to fix the problem is to reboot the unit. If anyone has any more thoughts on this problem, please post them in the forum.

UP FOR DEBATE - OPINIONS REQUESTED

1) PS3 Flickering/Dropouts

I personally don't think this is a problem with the set. I believe Westinghouse has already stated this when people have inquired about it. I don't think we should even bother putting this on the list as it is very doubtful they will (or even can) do anything about it. I don't want to detract from the confirmed issues. What does everyone else think? Keep in mind that there have been HDCP problems with numerous sets and the PS3 ever since it came out.

NOTE: Many people have reported that the problem goes away when HDMI input #1 is used. Other people report the problem starting/stoping when different HDMI cables are used. Please provide your PS3 via HDMI experiences in the forum.

Edit: I think this issue can be mentioned in the letter as it is certainly possible that something could be updated in the firmware to help alleviate the problem.

2) HDMI Hub (all HDMI inputs sharing the same setting)

Again, I'm not sure if this should go on the list for fear of detracting from the issues that can be addressed. Westinghouse has already stated the HDMI inputs are on a hub and hence share the same input settings. What could possibly be done about this besides replacing the hub with separate inputs which is obviously not going to happen? Maybe the TX-52 will be different.

Edit: It has been pointed out that there is a possibility that the firmware could be updated to allow for different settings for each HDMI input so I am now thinking this should be on the list.

3) EPG

The EPG is pretty worthless. Mine is totally empty except for NBC. Let's get some feedback on this one. I'm not sure if this is something that can be addressed by Westinghouse or if it is the actual QAM/OTA stations. Maybe EPG data just isn't present?

Edit: This one is still up for debate but I think it should at least be mentioned as they could certainly update the firmware to allow for a bigger cache for the guide as well as general guide usability improvements.

Carlp336

08-07-07, 12:30 PM

xnappo

08-07-07, 12:38 PM

3) Frame judder

I don't have this problem myself but other have reported it. My understanding of it is that the video and audio will start juddering and the only way to fix the problem is to reboot the unit. If anyone has any more thoughts on this problem, please post them in the forum.

See this post for a better description:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=11228780&&#post11228780

xnappo

nascar24

08-07-07, 12:40 PM

ok guys i been browsing both this and the LVM thread...
given the fact the prices are only 75$ difference between LVM and the tx its hard to decide.

to be hooked up to this unit:

yamaha rx-v661 receiver
TWC HD DVR box
UPSCALING DVD

i went to the local best buy and viewed the tx and was blown away,

a couple more questions though ..

1. the hdmi on the lvm is 1.2 correct ? is the tx the same or 1.3 ?

2. also does the lvm offer screen format options like standard zoom and fill ?

3. do the all the inputs on the LVM take 1080p ? like the tx

im still torn . please help

thanks
Carl

I almost went for the LVM-47 as well as it was about $250 cheaper then I could get it from Best Buy but in the end I liked the new stuff the TX47 offers such as better remote, better menus, built in tuner and overall newer tech. Also would have had to get the LVM delivered from where you could not return it if there was a problem right away like you can with Best buy.

Carlp336

08-07-07, 01:33 PM

I almost went for the LVM-47 as well as it was about $250 cheaper then I could get it from Best Buy but in the end I liked the new stuff the TX47 offers such as better remote, better menus, built in tuner and overall newer tech. Also would have had to get the LVM delivered from where you could not return it if there was a problem right away like you can with Best buy.

good point! can you comment on the other items in my post ?

bhazard

08-07-07, 01:54 PM

ok guys i been browsing both this and the LVM thread...
given the fact the prices are only 75$ difference between LVM and the tx its hard to decide.

to be hooked up to this unit:

yamaha rx-v661 receiver
TWC HD DVR box
UPSCALING DVD

i went to the local best buy and viewed the tx and was blown away,

a couple more questions though ..

1. the hdmi on the lvm is 1.2 correct ? is the tx the same or 1.3 ?

2. also does the lvm offer screen format options like standard zoom and fill ?

3. do the all the inputs on the LVM take 1080p ? like the tx

im still torn . please help

thanks
Carl

1. HDMI is v 1.1 on both. Only 1.3 will make a difference when deep color becomes standard, which is far in the future.

2. Yes

3. Not all of the LVM's inputs can handle 1080P (properly), and its HDMI has "sparkle" issues sometimes. The TX can do 1080P on all HDMI ports.

4. TX also has a tuner.

I'd go for the TX.

Lutch

08-07-07, 02:09 PM

1. HDMI is v 1.1 on both. Only 1.3 will make a difference when deep color becomes standard, which is far in the future.

2. Yes

3. Not all of the LVM's inputs can handle 1080P (properly), and its HDMI has "sparkle" issues sometimes. The TX can do 1080P on all HDMI ports.

4. TX also has a tuner.

I'd go for the TX.

Regarding #3 - that is the exact reason I had not purchased an HD flat panel until this year, because it seemed EVERY manufacturer was having that issue, red sparkle especially.

huggybear

08-07-07, 02:20 PM

See this post for a better description:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=11228780&&#post11228780

xnappo

xnappo - thx for the description - i will repost what you stated as I have a ?:

...if you tune to a channel with a scrawl running you will see that once every two seconds it appears to drop a frame. Once you see it on the scrawl, you will probably notice the missing frame watching normal TV - especially when the camera pans across the screen.

Occassionally while watching Headline News I see a break/disturbance in the "scrawl" running across the bottom of the screen every 10 sec or so but the rest of the image is not affected. It doesn't affect other channels and I have never had to reboot. I take it that this is different from what you are describing?

Did this only happen to you while using a cable box connected to the set via component?

Thanks,

huggybear

Scatter12

08-07-07, 02:20 PM

So I take it that nobody has this "Click" noise on their sets. I called best buy and they are going to send a Tech. over to look at it but if you guys happen to here anything please let me know.

xnappo

08-07-07, 02:27 PM

Occassionally while watching Headline News I see a break/disturbance in the "scrawl" running across the bottom of the screen every 10 sec or so but the rest of the image is not affected. It doesn't affect other channels and I have never had to reboot. I take it that this is different from what you are describing?

Sorry.. I am not sure if it is the same or not. This was more like every two seconds. I didn't normally notice it on other channels unless they were panning across a still image or something - but it was there.

Did this only happen to you while using a cable box connected to the set via component?

huggybear

It happened all the time with component. With HDMI, it would be okay after powering on the set for a while, and then start doing it. Cycling power made it go away temporarily with HDMI.

I know others have seen this... Anyone else care to comment?

xnappo

imit8

08-07-07, 03:02 PM

I am starting to think the same thing regarding the dynamic contrast, I've noticed a couple of times the darkness shift after going form a light to dark scene, just like the DC does when called upon. I have it turned off in the user settings, I got sick and tired of seeing the DC do the Contrast shift during a light to dark scene, it happens way too often to be acceptable to me. My issue isn't that it does the compensation, but there is a delay in the compensation that is just unacceptable as it becomes VERY distracting to me, especially when the scene is flipped back and forth in a conversation. But I've noticed the shift every now and then without the DC on. Possibly the PS3 is doing something, since I use that as my DVD player.
huggybear, what do you think about including a note about dynamic contrast in the letter to Westy? Xcalibur_255 and Lutch have speculated that the TV doesn't seem to fully obey when dynamic contrast is turned off (see posts 2252 (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=11184806#post11184806) & 2253 (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=11186280#post11186280) ). This sounds like another firmware bug, and it makes it difficult or impossible to properly calibrate the TV's picture using standard test patterns. If you want to spin it a bit, correctly disabling dynamic contrast would make better calibration possible and build a better reputation for this set on the basis of picture quality.

bhazard

08-07-07, 03:03 PM

Sorry.. I am not sure if it is the same or not. This was more like every two seconds. I didn't normally notice it on other channels unless they were panning across a still image or something - but it was there.

It happened all the time with component. With HDMI, it would be okay after powering on the set for a while, and then start doing it. Cycling power made it go away temporarily with HDMI.

I know others have seen this... Anyone else care to comment?

xnappo

I have seen this through VGA and HDMI. It is easily noticeable in Guitar Hero with the scrolling bar. The bar would skip frames every 2 seconds.

It is fixable with the 10 sec power reboot. I have no idea how to re-create it, but when it does happen I just do the reboot and it goes away. It is not very often though.

ReSultZ

08-07-07, 03:18 PM

So I take it that nobody has this "Click" noise on their sets. I called best buy and they are going to send a Tech. over to look at it but if you guys happen to here anything please let me know.

i hear some type of noise when i use analog rca wires 4 my comcast motorolla hd
DVI box

meltdown100

08-07-07, 03:45 PM

To add what I have seen with the EPG issue, for me it is working for all of my OTA channels, but in a somewhat crippled fashion. I can only see the program schedule for any given channel when I am tuned in to that particular channel, everything else comes up blank. Another minor annoyance with this is that the EPG does not come up for the channel you are currently viewing, which would make sense, rather it comes up for whatever the last channel was that you looked up on the EPG. This is a minor issue since it only takes a few seconds to scroll across to the channel you are on, but I never remember what channel I was just on and have to exit back out to check or hunt for it in the EPG.

The other small thing I notice is the OTA channels sometimes have a line across the very top or bottom of the screen that flickers, as if the TV is actually displaying a very thin edge outside of the viewing area.

All in all, this set is fantastic - none of the major known problems so far. My 360 with a regular DVD looked great after I had the display settings properly tuned in.

I'm new to the forum and want to say thanks to everyone for the great info. One question I would have - what is considered normal for stuck pixels? I have two stuck pixels that are certainly not noticeable from viewing distance, but was wondering what is considered 'typical' and what the odds are of getting a TV like this that has zero dead or stuck pixels...

bhazard

08-07-07, 03:54 PM

huggybear, what do you think about including a note about dynamic contrast in the letter to Westy? Xcalibur_255 and Lutch have speculated that the TV doesn't seem to fully obey when dynamic contrast is turned off (see posts 2252 (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=11184806#post11184806) & 2253 (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=11186280#post11186280) ). This sounds like another firmware bug, and it makes it difficult or impossible to properly calibrate the TV's picture using standard test patterns. If you want to spin it a bit, correctly disabling dynamic contrast would make better calibration possible and build a better reputation for this set on the basis of picture quality.

I can also confirm DC always being on somewhat. Using a test pattern that is moveable around the screen, you can see changes in contrast when sections are moved from left to right even with DC off. It is less noticeable with DC off, but its still there.

Scatter12

08-07-07, 04:09 PM

I think you would notice this ReSultZ. This click is a pritty noticable noise. It sounds as if the electricity/current builds up then pops or archs (Hopefuly not) and the noise happens about every two seconds.

ReSultZ

08-07-07, 04:14 PM

Lutch

08-07-07, 04:18 PM

I can also confirm DC always being on somewhat. Using a test pattern that is moveable around the screen, you can see changes in contrast when sections are moved from left to right even with DC off. It is less noticeable with DC off, but its still there.

I will agree that it changes less often with DC off, but it is not stopped completely. There has to be a % of darkness on the screen for the DC to switch ON and it's not gradual, it goes from not there to a jump in contrast. It's really noticeable if a person is standing in front of a source of light and is moving ever so slightly that they allow more brightness to be shown, then darker. Every time they cover the source of the light and the screen darkens a bit the DC kicks in increases the contrast and then they uncover the light and the DC kicks off, on and on until the scene is done. This is when it becomes particularly annoying.

kenpachi

08-07-07, 05:27 PM

component inputs having issues with 1080i/p...or does the tv itself having problems, like does OTA 1080i still look okay?
no its just the component the ota is fine

bhazard

08-07-07, 05:35 PM

demonz

08-07-07, 05:41 PM

I stumbled upon this site as I have been considering buying the TX 42. I am wondering if I can get some feedback on the following issue. I currently have basic Comcast cable (not digital) that feeds directly by coaxial (RF) (no cable box)into my TV. When I purchase a HDTV, at this point, I am only interested in getting the available local HDTV signals over the air with the appropriate antenna while keeping my basic cable feed. The TX, as well as many other hdtvs, only has one coaxial RF input.

I was told by ABT salesman that I would need a HDTV set with two coaxial feeds (one for cable and one for OTA.) Is this accurate? Is an option one of the Radio Shack A/B splitters? Any other options that would reasonably work without targeting just HDTV sets with 2 RFs? Apparently some of the Samsung sets have 2 coaxials. I tried checking the specs but it appears that this feature is not highlighted in the advertising.

Any insights or comments would be greatly appreciated.

kenpachi

08-07-07, 06:18 PM

motherf@*$r i just finished exchanging my set for another one this one has the 1.1 firmware.pq is alot better then the 1.3 one.But i just started watching FF spirits within and F@* :mad: it started flickering already.What the f@* :mad: this s#@* is getting old damm it i'm on hdmi1 but i'll give it the benefit of the dought and waited out since i have another 30days on the return policy :D

nascar24

08-07-07, 07:31 PM

I was just looking at the new Sceptre model Sceptre.X46BV and its manual, and if it doesn't have many problems, it looks to be on par to a bit better than the TX line.

http://www.sceptre.com/Products/LCD/Specifications/spec_X46BV-FullHD.htm

If i didn't own the TX and had a costco membership i'd probably look at this in depth. Sceptre is known for a lot of its lcds breaking though.

The price is also amazing right now.

I looked at this and was like hmmmm, Have not got my TX47 yet but then decided it wouldn't be that big of savings over the Best buy sale price after tax and shipping and costco membership. Also saw them complaining already about Sceptre support and that it has to be shipped out for warranty. I have seen conflicting reports on the TX47? Does Westinghouse do inhome on this TV while under their one year warranty? I cant imagine having to ship this big of a TV out for service. Almost bought the Best Buy service plan but if you can believe it they wont let you buy it over the phone after purchase you have to goto the store. To early to tell on problems as they are just starting to get them today out in the wild.

imit8

08-07-07, 07:36 PM

I stumbled upon this site as I have been considering buying the TX 42. I am wondering if I can get some feedback on the following issue. I currently have basic Comcast cable (not digital) that feeds directly by coaxial (RF) (no cable box)into my TV. When I purchase a HDTV, at this point, I am only interested in getting the available local HDTV signals over the air with the appropriate antenna while keeping my basic cable feed. The TX, as well as many other hdtvs, only has one coaxial RF input.
For what it's worth, when I had Comcast analog cable (i.e. no cable box) I was getting the HD network channels (the same ones you would expect to get OTA) over the Comcast signal on my TX42 and did not require a separate antenna input. This was in Northern Virginia and may not be the case everywhere. Perhaps you can find a friend who has an HDTV with built-in tuner, wire up some coax without a set-top box and scan channels to see if that's the case where you are. Even when you get a digital set-top box, you can still receive analog channels (and apparently sometimes HD channels) on the coax line.

Or you could ask Comcast if they send the local HD channels over their analog cable, but they may not give you a straight answer since I'm sure they'd like to sell you a digital box.

nascar24

08-07-07, 07:38 PM

For what it's worth, when I had Comcast analog cable (i.e. no cable box) I was getting the HD network channels (the same ones you would expect to get OTA) over the Comcast signal on my TX42 and did not require a separate antenna input. This was in Northern Virginia and may not be the case everywhere. Perhaps you can find a friend who has an HDTV with built-in tuner, wire up some coax without a set-top box and scan channels to see if that's the case where you are. Even when you get a digital set-top box, you can still receive analog channels (and apparently sometimes HD channels) on the coax line.

Or you could ask Comcast if they send the local HD channels over their analog cable, but they may not give you a straight answer since I'm sure they'd like to sell you a digital box.

Doesn't work everywhere. I enjoyed my Comcast local HD channels for a few months and then they started scrambling them. As in they showed as no signal anymore.

bhazard

08-07-07, 08:45 PM

I looked at this and was like hmmmm, Have not got my TX47 yet but then decided it wouldn't be that big of savings over the Best buy sale price after tax and shipping and costco membership. Also saw them complaining already about Sceptre support and that it has to be shipped out for warranty. I have seen conflicting reports on the TX47? Does Westinghouse do inhome on this TV while under their one year warranty? I cant imagine having to ship this big of a TV out for service. Almost bought the Best Buy service plan but if you can believe it they wont let you buy it over the phone after purchase you have to goto the store. To early to tell on problems as they are just starting to get them today out in the wild.

I noticed that Sceptre does not have in-home service at all, thats a deal breaker. The Best Buy plan is amazing for the price, and is in home. TX wins on that alone.