Official Westinghouse TX Series ( TX-42F430S, TX-47F430S ) Owner's Thread [Text View] - Page 9

LynxFX

07-26-07, 06:40 PM

Woobieizer

07-26-07, 06:45 PM

Thanks Looks Like I Have To Buy A New One.the Good Thing Is That The Holes Are Made On The Wall So I Dont Have To Pay To Put It Up Again.

Why? is your current wall bracket not VESA 75mm or 100mm? Take another look.. your weight is good. If the VESA mm standard hold true on your current 30" it does not matter what the display size is, so you dont need to buy a new mount.

:)

Woobieizer

07-26-07, 06:48 PM

Sure puts out a lot of heat though.

I'm looking for a good Fire Place screen saver.. cause this thing is HOT! :D

fmijohn

07-26-07, 06:52 PM

Is That The Screw75mm It A U2tilt Mount IT UNIVERSAL

Woobieizer

07-26-07, 06:57 PM

Is That The Screw75mm It A U2tilt Mount IT UNIVERSAL

Doing some reading between the line.. took me awhile..
75mm is the hole patten in mm forming a square shape.

Found a picture, Is this it
http://www.circuitcity.com/IMAGE/product/detail/oms/EC.OMS.PLASMAUCL.JPG

Thanks

fmijohn

07-26-07, 07:01 PM

It Not Crost

iLoveSax

07-26-07, 07:03 PM

kenpachi

07-26-07, 07:22 PM

Woobieizer

07-26-07, 07:36 PM

kenpachi- Are you still having an issue with the sound via HDMI from your Elite and PS3?
Post 1791 kenpachi No DD 5.1 (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=11088355&&#post11088355)
Post 1790 bhazard PS3 Audio Setting (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=11088233&&#post11088233)

yes.But i gave up on it :p

I am asking because of the connector stacking idea posted Post 1977 sapaws Cable fix (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=11131831&&#post11131831)

Woobieizer

07-26-07, 07:42 PM

For those whos trying or using the hdmi-dvi adapter, keep us posted if it fix the flicker please.
Btw, what kind of adapters do you need? hmdi to dvi-i? females and males of the hdmi and dvi ports? Thanks

kenpachi's pics:
http://s123.photobucket.com/albums/o303/bakihanna/?action=view&current=S4021430-1.jpg
http://s123.photobucket.com/albums/o303/bakihanna/?action=view&current=S4021431-1.jpg

If were are lucky in two areas; it might solve the DD5.1 issue kenpachi is having.. and as long as the pic files don't get overwritten, the spaghetti monster wont come knocking. ;)

kenpachi

07-26-07, 07:52 PM

kenpachi's pics:
http://s123.photobucket.com/albums/o303/bakihanna/?action=view&current=S4021430-1.jpg
http://s123.photobucket.com/albums/o303/bakihanna/?action=view&current=S4021431-1.jpg

If were are lucky in two areas; it might solve the DD5.1 issue kenpachi is having.. and as long as the pic files don't get overwritten, the spaghetti monster wont come knocking. ;)
Just tried the sound with the converter and still no dd5.1 :(

Woobieizer

07-26-07, 07:54 PM

Just tried the sound with the converter and still no dd5.1 :(

Bummer :(

iLoveSax

07-26-07, 07:56 PM

Thanks woob.
Does it matter if the adapters plugged into the tv or ps3?

kenpachi

07-26-07, 08:01 PM

Woobieizer

07-26-07, 08:04 PM

Ok just got off the phone with westy.The guy i talk to was really nice,i explained the audio problem with the tv.After like 3minutes of lisening to some kill me now music,he told me to take it back to BB cause my tv had something wrong with sound board.He also said that if BB acted like jerks and didn't want to change it to call them back.

Concerning another uses post, did the tech sound English fluent?
Did you get a Service Call #?

Good News
Now you can redo your cable management! ;)

kenpachi

07-26-07, 08:12 PM

the guy talked perfect english.And for the number i used the 866 287 5555.Oh about the cables those on the background are my power cables for my toys :D

lordofthenazgul

07-26-07, 08:50 PM

Concerning another uses post, did the tech sound English fluent?
Did you get a Service Call #?

Good News
Now you can redo your cable management! ;)

Are you guys concerned that the Call Centre may be in Bangalore?? :)

bgask1717

07-26-07, 08:58 PM

Woobieizer

07-26-07, 09:07 PM

Are you guys concerned that the Call Centre may be in Bangalore?? http://www.ar15.com/images/smilies/smiley_bucktooth.gif

No, I'm thinking they may be in the DEEP South. Yano, bubba's crib http://www.tokeup.com/forums/images/smilies/people/redneck.gif

mph86

07-26-07, 10:19 PM

Has anybody had any problems connecting their 360 through the VGA input. I am on my second cable and still nothing. At first the picture kind of showed up, but it was split down the middle with a mirror image of the right portion of the screen on both sides. Now I cant get any picture at all through VGA. The TV is recognizing that its plugged in as the pc tab pops up in the menu between DISPLAY and AUDIO. Is there something I'm doing wrong? Or do I just have a broke westy/360?

I am using the VGA cable for my 360 and have had no problem. When I first turn on the 360 the bottom half of the screen flickers green then it picks up the signal and all works fine. It sort of did that mirror image thing when I first selected 1920 x 1080 resolution (as is adjusted) but only for 1 or 2 seconds. Make sure your VGA cable is firmly in the 360 as sometimes it feels like its in but it isn't. Also when you do get a picture make sure to select "expanded black levels" as it really helps the pq.

bgask1717

07-26-07, 10:31 PM

I am using the VGA cable for my 360 and have had no problem. When I first turn on the 360 the bottom half of the screen flickers green then it picks up the signal and all works fine. It sort of did that mirror image thing when I first selected 1920 x 1080 resolution (as is adjusted) but only for 1 or 2 seconds. Make sure your VGA cable is firmly in the 360 as sometimes it feels like its in but it isn't. Also when you do get a picture make sure to select "expanded black levels" as it really helps the pq.

Thanks mph86 but I have now confirmed there is somthing wrong with the tv...the VGA for the computer came on for about 30 seconds then went out. Just says "No Input Signal." Looks like Westy #2 is going back to BB and from all the problems I had with the original Westy 42 inch 1080p (42w or something like that) and now the flickering with the first TX and the broken VGA input with the second I think I am done with Westinghouse. Not trying to be a troll im just very frustrated at all the time and effort it takes to return, re-set up, re-calibrate these sets. I am now 5 Westys deep (between the original and the TX) and none of them have worked properly. Congrats to all those who's sets are operating properly...they really are a good deal when they work. By the way both TX's had the April manufactured date.

skimon

07-26-07, 10:46 PM

Does anyone know the main difference between the Westy LVM model and the Westy TS model? Which one do you guys prefer?

skimon

07-26-07, 10:47 PM

Westy TX* sorry :)

txrose

07-27-07, 12:38 AM

If your HDTV screen flickers on & off, connect your Playstation3 (or whichever HDMI device) to the TV using an HDMI-to-DVI cable, rather than HDMI-to-HDMI. If you rather use the TV's HDMI connection, try placing HDMI-to-DVI adapters on both ends of the HDMI, then use a DVI-to-DVI cable. HDMI and DVI signals are digitally interchangeable without any loss in quality. DVI does not carry a digital audio signal like HDMI does, but many HDTV owners have their audio through a digital optical cable to a Receiver, instead of using the TV's speakers. This Westinghouse display does support HDCP through DVI, so digitally encrypted video such as Blu-Ray movies should play at full 1080p through DVI.
I don't know if this will work or not BUT from a pure technical standpoint all the DVI to HDMI would do is remove the digital audio connection. I am reasonably sure the DVI to HDMI adaptors are passive devices containing wires which connect the DVI pins to the corresponding video pins on the HDMI connector. That being the case how would that change anything. My 2 cents.

MirclMax

07-27-07, 01:05 AM

Gritsyna

07-27-07, 01:15 AM

This thing (TX-47) seems to give off quite a bit of heat. Its not something I had really contemplated when making the purchase. I'm guessing its normal enough .. but it is *really* warm.

I was wondering if anyone had come up with any ingenious solutions/workarounds to compensate for this. I'll just leave it wide open for a mixture of crazy/brilliant ideas.

One thing that perhaps people could answer on a technical basis ... I have the screen in E-Saver mode .. and I have it go into standby mode (orange light) as the default "off" .. Is it still going to be generating heat (small bit .. same amount?) in this mode... would I be best to power it off completely? (As inconvenient as that might be).

Looking forward to some good replies!

Thanks all.

When completely off it generates no heat.
When in "Normal" it is about 50 watts - same heat as an average light bulb.
When fully operational it is about 350 watts (if I remember correctly) - That is basically 6 light bulbs packed tightly together (that would be a lot of heat).

There are not uncommon values for a large flat screen.

Woobieizer

07-27-07, 01:46 AM

This thing (TX-47) seems to give off quite a bit of heat. Its not something I had really contemplated when making the purchase. I'm guessing its normal enough .. but it is *really* warm.
I was wondering if anyone had come up with any ingenious solutions/workarounds to compensate for this. I'll just leave it wide open for a mixture of crazy/brilliant ideas.
Looking forward to some good replies!
Thanks all.

MM, Is you heat concern directed at your personal comfort or for the TX hardware?

IF you,
Cause your on fire (http://www.hvacquick.com/scfnconfig.php?fm=DB&PHPSESSID=gn4jc6d7vbr09cgom3tjenqne6)
IF hardware
Cause its on Fire (http://www.livingincomfort.com/ar27415.html)

On a budget? I personally like this one (http://www.lunabazaar.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=869)

In either case, you won't need to heat your home this winter.http://www.tokeup.com/forums/images/smilies/angry_or_annoyed/kaioken.gif

Woobieizer

07-27-07, 01:51 AM

Does anyone know the main difference between the Westy LVM model and the Westy TS model? Which one do you guys prefer?

Good Jumping off point (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=11087404&&#post11087404)

TX=HDTV LMV=Display

Regards

MirclMax

07-27-07, 02:26 AM

MM, Is you heat concern directed at your personal comfort or for the TX hardware?

In either case, you won't need to heat your home this winter.http://www.tokeup.com/forums/images/smilies/angry_or_annoyed/kaioken.gif

Well, I'm more concerned about getting through the summer :)

I'm not particularly concerned about the hardware.. as I said, I'm guessing this is relatively normal. Its a personal comfort in the house .. Its a large room that noticeably warmer .. Its at the point where we end up running the A/C during the day (granted its been pretty warm in So. Cal this week) ..

I obviously wouldn't want to attach fans and go crazy where it would make too much noise. Like I said, I was just curious if anyone had any clever ideas that they've implemented. I have to assume that pretty much everyone else can feel the heat from this thing as well.

Woobieizer

07-27-07, 04:32 AM

Well, I'm more concerned about getting through the summer :)

I'm not particularly concerned about the hardware.. as I said, I'm guessing this is relatively normal. Its a personal comfort in the house .. Its a large room that noticeably warmer .. Its at the point where we end up running the A/C during the day (granted its been pretty warm in So. Cal this week) ..

I obviously wouldn't want to attach fans and go crazy where it would make too much noise. Like I said, I was just curious if anyone had any clever ideas that they've implemented. I have to assume that pretty much everyone else can feel the heat from this thing as well.

Don't know if you noticed the embedded link, so follow this and get yourself cooled down.
http://www.hvacquick.com/scfnconfig.php?fm=DB&PHPSESSID=gn4jc6d7vbr09cgom3tjenqne6

Woobieizer

07-27-07, 05:38 AM

There exist a couple bugs with the TX that are interesting: Component game boxes, with the intermittent flicker. I took some liberty with the quote, but it is to show my path of logic in troubleshooting, and to apologize jumping the gun.

If your HDTV screen flickers on & off, connect your Playstation3 (or whichever HDMI device) to the TV using an HDMI-to-DVI cable, rather than HDMI-to-HDMI. This Westinghouse display does support HDCP through DVI, so digitally encrypted video such as Blu-Ray movies should play at full 1080p through DVI.
...What we're trying to do with the adapters is somehow fool the hdcp into working correctly and not dropping out. Since there is no DVI port on this TV, this is the only way to try it. I thought the dvi cable or adapter would kill the audio stream, which may stop the flicker..
..all the DVI to HDMI would do is remove the digital audio connection...
I am asking because of the connector stacking idea posted Post 1977 sapaws Cable fix (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=11131831&&#post11131831)
Ok just got off the phone with westy.The guy i talk to was really nice,i explained the audio problem with the tv....he told me to take it back to BB cause my tv had something wrong with sound board..

Since using the stacked connection strips the Digital Audio, it was a moot point to test DD5.1 yet by hope of my ignorance and suggestion, kenpachi tested his set again, and was motivated by its failure to call Westinghouse and get his answer. There was a little silver in the lining of this cloud for him. I apologize to the forum for not doing my research on the DVI to HDMI specs. My eagerness to see resolution sometimes get in the way of research.

http://www.tokeup.com/forums/images/smilies/signs/tmi.gif
Yet I had to say it. Thanks and keep up the posts.

pauldarkjr

07-27-07, 08:29 AM

Well its official, I am finally fed up!

I am now on my 3rd set. This one not only has the flickering issue but also has some seriously bad vertical banding on the right side. It looks like the TV is broken up into 3 boxes one that is very dark that takes up 2/3's of the screen, and then 2 more of equal size that get progressivly lighter and it has 4 stuck pixles. I know 4 stuck pixles isn't a lot but I am starting to get very frustrated. And to top it all off, the store that I bought it (REX) said I can't get the same set again if I return it. I will need to pick something else. Or I need to send it to westinghouse. AGRHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!! I feel like fu*king killing somebody. :mad:

x84HurstOlds

07-27-07, 09:03 AM

Well, I'm more concerned about getting through the summer :)

I'm not particularly concerned about the hardware.. as I said, I'm guessing this is relatively normal. Its a personal comfort in the house .. Its a large room that noticeably warmer .. Its at the point where we end up running the A/C during the day (granted its been pretty warm in So. Cal this week) ..

I obviously wouldn't want to attach fans and go crazy where it would make too much noise. Like I said, I was just curious if anyone had any clever ideas that they've implemented. I have to assume that pretty much everyone else can feel the heat from this thing as well.

Not really...what is your backlight set at? I mean, I guess it gets warm, but I'm in a moderate-size living room in a fairly small house and I don't notice it heating the place up too much.

If you are home during the day...and its "fairly warm"....I mean, wouldn't you be running the A/C anyway? Not to be a smartass, but it *is* July. :) Or you would have the windows open, I would think a good breeze would dissipate any heat generated by the TX.

Ed

x84HurstOlds

07-27-07, 09:08 AM

Does anyone know the main difference between the Westy LVM model and the Westy TS model? Which one do you guys prefer?

There was pretty extensive discussion of this early on in the thread, along with exhaustive lists of differences. Further testing reveals that the TX line has a slightly whacked gamma curve that wasn't known then. But better viewing angles, more HDMI inputs, and a tuner.

Sorry, don't know page numbers, but I'd guess it was in the first 10 or 20 pages.

I've read them all. Suffer with me :D

Ed

huggybear

07-27-07, 09:23 AM

No, I'm thinking they may be in the DEEP South. Yano, bubba's crib http://www.tokeup.com/forums/images/smilies/people/redneck.gif

I think that they are actually in So. Cal, same place as Westy's US headquarters.

MirclMax

07-27-07, 09:54 AM

Not really...what is your backlight set at? I mean, I guess it gets warm, but I'm in a moderate-size living room in a fairly small house and I don't notice it heating the place up too much.

If you are home during the day...and its "fairly warm"....I mean, wouldn't you be running the A/C anyway? Not to be a smartass, but it *is* July. :) Or you would have the windows open, I would think a good breeze would dissipate any heat generated by the TX.

Ed

I do appreciate the replies.. and I can take a smartass reply as long as help is offered too :)

Woobieizer: I did see the link .. I'm just not sure how the Suncourt stuff would help. From what I gather, it would just make the A/C boosted .. and well.. I was hoping to not have to compensate for a television with the A/C

Ed: The backlight .. is that the biggest factor? Mines actually set rather high.. Its at 70 currently under the "Movie" setting. I *had* been doing a User Config and dropping it down to 0-20 .. but I found that
a) It kept resetting to default .. possibly an issue with a stray remote command from the Universal making it think I was saying to reset ...
b) I'm not sure, but I think it was making my eyes strain a bit to read the text .. just wasn't feeling too well reading stuff .. the brighter screen .. though not perfect with SD-quality signals and their coloring .. seems to be an "easier" picture to see.

To the smartass comment.. Well.. I was writing that last message at 11:30pm or so .. and it was still 79degrees in the room .. While I might run the A/C to cool down the house a bit during the day .. if there wasn't a source continually warming it up then I wouldn't have to *keep* running it. Follow? :)

I am wondering if we're on to something with the backlight though .. Can anyone else approach this from a technical point of what causes the most heat to be generated?

Thanks a bunch folks ..

-MirclMax

Lutch

07-27-07, 09:56 AM

Woobieizer

07-27-07, 10:05 AM

Quick question: In what continent or country is Westinghouse's customer support located? Are the representatives native speakers of English?

No, I'm thinking they may be in the DEEP South. Yano, bubba's crib http://www.tokeup.com/forums/images/smilies/people/redneck.gif

I think that they are actually in So. Cal, same place as Westy's US headquarters.

Looks like we have a winner, I trust huggybear's thinking here.

Woobieizer

07-27-07, 10:11 AM

I'm a bit curious if everyone is having the DD5.1 issue with their PS3?

Because I have no issue with the PS3 HDMI passing the 5.1 to the TV and the TV passing the signal to the receiver via the optical output.

I did have to reset which standards the PS3 would pass through the HDMI after I updated the firmware. I have mine set to bitstream and had to use the manual option for which standards the PS3 would pass through the HDMI. I just selected the boxes for DTS5.1 & DD5.1 and I was good to go. If I used the automatic setting it does not pass 5.1 at all.

Hey Lutch, last Saturday when you got your new TX, kenpachi joined in the forum with a 42" TX w/ new firmware. Great! so we all began pounding his patients with questions and tests. So far as I know he was the only member so far to describe the problem with the PS3 no DD5.1
AFAIK

Woobieizer

07-27-07, 10:31 AM

I do appreciate the replies.. and I can take a smartass reply as long as help is offered too :)
Woobieizer: I did see the link .. I'm just not sure how the Suncourt stuff would help. From what I gather, it would just make the A/C boosted .. and well.. I was hoping to not have to compensate for a television with the A/C
Ed: The backlight .. is that the biggest factor? Mines actually set rather high.. Its at 70 currently under the "Movie" setting.

I am wondering if we're on to something with the backlight though .. Can anyone else approach this from a technical point of what causes the most heat to be generated?

Thanks a bunch folks ..

-MirclMax

MM, thanks for responding.. About 2 weekends ago I shot a video, thinking I would post it, of my TX running 60fps of OTS Lab and Milkdrop. This heated things up pretty well on the TV not to mention the PC. But anyhow, I was measuring the temp on top of the Westy, and measured it at 97 degrees. Directly above the TV is an "Atomix" radio calibrated clock w/date-temp-time; it measured 84 degrees at the time the other gauge measured 97. After aiming the Honeywell at it the heat dissipated by 7~9 degree respectively within 12 minutes. Little background. My set is under a ceiling fan, and an air duct, on a table, off the wall about 18". I keep my cave's air set to 78~80 depending on the humidity outdoors. In the south it gets kinda sticky. Concerning the inline air booster, from what I remember it would only increase the CFM's on the line you install it on, decreasing the CFM's from other locations not necessarily used.
Regards :)

Xcalibur_255

07-27-07, 11:07 AM

I've had my TX47 now for a week. So far I'm loving it. Awesome picture with HD material. It was pretty hard trying to calibrate for standard def cable programming. Skintones seem to be all over the place, but tip mostly towards red. Overall it is looking pretty good.

The PS3 looks absolutely gorgeous on it. Couldn't be happier. What a difference from my old CRT, especially in the geometry department. Before I couldn't even read text on it, now it is corner to corner. No flickering from HDMI so far, no dead or stuck pixels.

Sure puts out a lot of heat though.

Overall, I am really happy with my purchase. The deal was great, and I'm hoping it lasts me at least 5 years. Anything after that is gravy.
Skintones are perfectly natural with the proper balance of settings. Try these:
Brightness - 48
Contrast - 74 (trust me)
Color - 54
Tint - 50 (worthless control)
Sharpness - your preference, recommend 25-40 for SD cable
Backlight - your preference, recommend 0-10 for dim room, 20-30 for bright room
Color Temperature - WARM, if you take one piece of advice it should be this one. :)

This is my 480i/SD calibration.

You'll want the deinterlace and comb filters both on in the advanced calibration menu, and keep in mind these numbers are for the dynamic contrast setting OFF. I recommend leaving it off for everything, including SD cable. It destroys midtone contrast details and makes the picture look edgy and over highlighted.

Natural looking skintones are what has impressed me the most about this tv. Occasionally I will see hints of yellow-green on the sides of faces in SD cable content only, but not with any other type of content. It was more prominent when the settings were closer to default. This is largely the fault of the broadcast medium and I only see it on certain channels whose video levels seem wonky to begin with.

I find that the picture, colors in particular and fleshtones, look unnatural when the backlight is over 20 regardless of brightness in the room. The picture is simply too bright. Overall screen brightness is an important part of picture calibration and this sense seems to have been lost with LCD and their psychotically bright screens. I tried out the PC input and just about recoiled as if something had been thrown at me when I was hit with the brightness of the desktop (room lights were off).

arggie

07-27-07, 12:16 PM

One support guy I spoke with told me he was in upstate New York.
I've had my set for a little over a month. Build date April 13th (?) with the first firmware number. I love this set so much, it's been nothing but a joy, but on the last day of Best Buy extended service plan eligibility, I bought the four year plan. I have three other LCD-HDTVs, two 19" Magnavoxs and a 32" Samsung without extended plans but after reading all your posts thought $200 bucks insurance for my Westy was not a bad deal.

lordofthenazgul

07-27-07, 12:43 PM

I've had the TX-42" for 3 weeks now, and the only annoying thing I've encountered is the flashing and flickering when switching channels broadcast in different resolutions (e.g. 480p to 1080i). I chalked this up to the communication between the PACE551 HD STB and the Westy running through an HDMI cable (from Belkin). Otherwise, the programs display the way they're supposed to....the 480p shows are decent, if not clearer than a regular CRT. The shows on channels like HDNET and HDNAT that are actually broadcast in HD are STUNNING, especially at this price range.

Gaming:
I have the regular Xbox 360 and a Wii. I have the cheap-ass Asid VGA cable and (thanks to certain posters) now have audio!! I would recommend anyone who is running through the component cables to get the VGA cables....the colours are sharper and they "pop". Sometimes it's so damn bright I have to lower the backlight setting a bit. I don't have a decent A/V Receiver yet, so I can't comment on the optical audio capabilities of the cables.

Regarding the Wii, it's running through Madcatz component cables and I think that's about as good as it's going to get as far as picture. The Wii was never about stellar graphics anyway, and I'm not expecting next-gen HD graphics from this machine. It's just damn fun to play Boxing on the Westy.... :) I concur with the others who say, use the "Fill" option, not a noticeable loss in picture quality anyway.

Movies:
I picked up the Xbox 360 HD-DVD add-on and with the VGA cables mentioned above...this thing is completely worth it. As I said, I don't have anything that accepts Optical audio input, so I can't comment on the audio. I've watched the requisite HD movies on it so far (Batman Begins, Riddick, etc...) and the details were as expected. With "Riddick", the visuals were just stunning!
As far as up-converting, I watched both "Return of the King" and "Revenge of the Sith", as well as some "stuff" burnt on DVD-Rs. Noticeable difference, obviously, but the up-conversion was as advertised. Crisper, better colours, etc. etc.

All-in-all, pleasantly satisfied. This is my first journey into HD, and the fact that everything appears to be working in relative harmony, delivering what each unit advertises, makes the whole experience worthwhile. And if not, BB threw in the 4-year warranty for the price of the 2......

Now if I can just find a good deal on a nice Receiver.....

MirclMax

07-27-07, 12:44 PM

After aiming the Honeywell at it the heat dissipated by 7~9 degree respectively within 12 minutes.

What is the noise like coming from the Honeywell. If its relatively silent then maybe I could give this a shot .. but obviously I don't want its noise competing with the television. Would you say its louder or quieter than a standard computer fan?

Also .. any info on how the backlight level affects heat?

skimon

07-27-07, 04:54 PM

I read alot of talk about different cables and some being better than others. Is there a specific type that makes these things better looking/sounding:

1) DVDs
2) Using the TV as a computer screen
3) Gaming

I am buying the Westy TX 42 really soon and just want to have everything ready right when I get it! ya feel me?!

Woobieizer

07-27-07, 05:07 PM

What is the noise like coming from the Honeywell. If its relatively silent then maybe I could give this a shot .. but obviously I don't want its noise competing with the television. Would you say its louder or quieter than a standard computer fan?

Also .. any info on how the backlight level affects heat?

MMax- Honeywell Pro Series Fan is as loud as they come when both fans are peak (this is a floor fan, btw)
Backlight BTU/hr measurement..

Smart UPS Powers TV, log Watts consumed, run delta on Watts consumed by TV at different "Backlight" Setting
Computer - Capture log of Smart UPS
Convert app - To do the Math, Watt - BTU/hrs

Regards

TX-47F430S Specs by the manual Low to High
1w on E-save=3.415179 BTU/Hr
350w =1195.313 BTU/Hr
Backlight Reduction/Watts Results:Measured on HDMI-1.PC as source. Results vary depending on Device Source. An additional interest is the fluctuation in Power when a device is switching via remote or panel button. Caveat: No HDMI device I own port Digital Audio, so this does not factor into my figures. Your results may vary!

100%=297 Watts
90%=270 Watts
80%=243 Watts
70%=216 Watts
60%=189 Watts
50%=162 Watts
40%=144 Watts
30%=117 Watts
20%=99 Watts
10%=81 Watts
0%=63 Watts
NIS=45 Watts
Amber=DNR on CyberPower 1500LCD UPS

The above list was compiled by using Windows RDP to monitor UPS while using Remote to change backlight percentages.
I have seen a top end usage on my TX porting sound to external amp with full backlight on Enhanced Video mode @ ~300 watts using HDMI-1 > PC. The wattage is reduced significantly when the backlight is dropped and hence the BTU decrease as well. The zip file contains a compressed screen capture of the test, the doc attached is the UPS chart during the PC screen capture. You will not see the Service menu changes since it is an overlay. To make a long story short, minimize heat/power consumption by decreasing your backlight.

Regards
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Emonroe

07-27-07, 06:39 PM

The handshake issue has to be a PS3 thing...I get so many flickers its amazing playing PS3, but on my Elite...nothing...I just have no idea what it could be. Or is it really my TV?

veterator

07-27-07, 10:41 PM

Ok, so with Wooz's help. My TV has flipped out once since the original white streaking incident. I got a new dvi to hdmi cable in the mail for a second PC. But the second PC will not do 1080p on the Westinghouse 47, TV tells me no signal. But the same TV will flip to the HDMI input when you plug the computer in, and still say there's no signal.

It will display a picture in 1080i with a little futzing around, but will not do 1080p under my ATI 9800 Pro Radeon card. Tried new drivers, etc. So it's set to 1080i atm, but I want to get it into 1080p since sometimes 1080i gives me a weird blurriness when I flip from one input back to the one the 9800 is plugged into.

Doesn't have any of these issues on my 8800GTX (Nvidia) card, but reading all over about these ATI cards giving issues with 1080p but in my searches can't find any solutions.

So hopefully there is one out there someone on this forum knows.

Mikeoz

07-28-07, 12:36 AM

The handshake issue has to be a PS3 thing...I get so many flickers its amazing playing PS3, but on my Elite...nothing...I just have no idea what it could be. Or is it really my TV?

I have alot of flickering sometimes with my ps3 as well, it's VERY annoying at times. Goddamn HDCP is such a damn headache it's ridiculous.. I'm thinking it could be the ps3.. but I wouldn't be surprised if it was the tv as well.. I took a look in the Samsung thread and it seems Samsung replaced a board in the TVs and apparently people are no longer having the flicker/dropouts. So, question is whether Westy will just sit on their @ss or hopefully do something about it. If the ps3 is working w/o issue on most other tv's BUT the Westy models, then it's probably a Westy issue.. :mad:

I urge anyone and everyone experiencing the HDMI flickering/dropouts to call up Westy!!

Woobieizer

07-28-07, 12:40 AM

chomowski

07-28-07, 06:17 AM

been lurkin for quite a long time while I shopped for a tv, but now I finally got my 42" the other day at best buy as an "open box" for $1039. the workers said the box was ruined during shipment or somethin and the tv was still brand new. Ended up paying 800+ after using some gift cards. Anyway, I have an xbox elite and was wondering if anyone has their "best" video settings via hdmi. I'm not very good at this kinda stuff, but I wanna compare my settings with anyone else's. I was lookin through a lot of pages, but couldn't find a setting that matched my needs. I don't watch tv, I'm just gonna game and watch movies. thanks for any help.

kenpachi

07-28-07, 10:49 AM

kentondb

07-28-07, 11:06 AM

So passing encoded DD/DTS material through HDMI to the TV is available now through the optical out included on the TV?

Edit: It's always been available, just in 2.0/PCM

armenhamer

07-28-07, 11:33 AM

Does anybody here leave there TX-42 on E-Save mode? Do most people leave it on Normal mode?

Kind of wondering if leaving it in normal mode affects the life of the set as it's drawing power constantly.

bub

07-28-07, 12:07 PM

...in the advanced calibration menu...

I have a brand new TX42 from BB. I know you are referring to the 47 inch Westy but does the 42 also have an advanced calibration menu???

Also, I have my PC, with Radeon X850, hooked up via VGA and it shows 1920X1080 as the input resolution. I'm assuming that is 1080i, not 1080p? I thought I had read in an early post or discussion that you couldn't do 1080 over VGA, not true?

Thanks for the clarification,
George -bub

JokerCPoC

07-28-07, 12:13 PM

I have a brand new TX42 from BB. I know you are referring to the 47 inch Westy but does the 42 also have an advanced calibration menu???

Also, I have my PC, with Radeon X850, hooked up via VGA and it shows 1920X1080 as the input resolution. I'm assuming that is 1080i, not 1080p? I thought I had read in an early post or discussion that you couldn't do 1080 over VGA, not true?

Thanks for the clarification,
George -bub
BB won't deliver out here where I live, Circuit City will of course and so will a local place. I'm more interested in the 52" though, Anyone have an idea on how much It weighs? As My current TV stand is rated at 100lbs. Nvidia here, a 7800GTX. :D

RSchermer

07-28-07, 01:37 PM

Also, I have my PC, with Radeon X850, hooked up via VGA and it shows 1920X1080 as the input resolution. I'm assuming that is 1080i, not 1080p? I thought I had read in an early post or discussion that you couldn't do 1080 over VGA, not true?
Mine accepted 1920x1080p resolution (i.e. 60Hz) when I had it hooked up through VGA. I'm pretty sure it could accept even higher rates such as 72Hz but it may have lost sync at 75Hz (or slightly higher). I have since switched to using HDMI through a DVI-to-HDMI cable. Getting the TV to display 1920x1080@60Hz using my X850 card (in HDMI) was a real pain. In the end I had to run dual-screen using a 15in LCD as primary display and then playing around changing resolutions and timings on the secondary display (i.e. TV) using Powerstrip. I am not sure what change caused the TV to finally sync correctly but I have since disabled Powerstrip and can now use the TV as the primary display at all resolutions without the "No input signal" issues. I never experienced the other ATI issue many described in which they saw an image but it had black borders on all sides or was shifted over. Mine just wouldn't display when set to resolutions higher than 1280x1024. This was really annoying as installing updated ATI drivers auto-detected that the TV supported 1920x1080 and would try using it resulting in a blank screen and no way to change the settings lower.

SenatorMonkey

07-28-07, 02:38 PM

MirclMax

07-28-07, 03:03 PM

Backlight BTU/hr measurement..

NIS=45 Watts
Amber=DNR on CyberPower 1500LCD UPS

Thank you so much for doing that, those are very interesting numbers indeed! I guess it is just rather obvious that if I want the system to generate less heat, the backlight needs to be down.

Can you just expand on what "NIS" is .. and is "DNR" = "Did not Register/Record"? and I assume that the Amber was standby mode?

-MirclMax

Woobieizer

07-28-07, 03:59 PM

I have a brand new TX42 from BB. I know you are referring to the 47 inch Westy but does the 42 also have an advanced calibration menu???

Also, I have my PC, with Radeon X850, hooked up via VGA and it shows 1920X1080 as the input resolution. I'm assuming that is 1080i, not 1080p? I thought I had read in an early post or discussion that you couldn't do 1080 over VGA, not true?

Thanks for the clarification,
George -bub

Bub - Xcalibur_255 was speaking of the menu item > Settings >User Calibration >Sub Menu. There you can find the options he was referring to.

Push the "INFO" button on your remote on any source and you will see the characteristics of your display IE. HDMI 1 1080p "Source Label"
Much success to you!

Woobieizer

07-28-07, 04:08 PM

Thank you so much for doing that, those are very interesting numbers indeed! I guess it is just rather obvious that if I want the system to generate less heat, the backlight needs to be down.

Can you just expand on what "NIS" is .. and is "DNR" = "Did not Register/Record"? and I assume that the Amber was standby mode?

-MirclMax

It was indeed fun!..

NIS= No Input Signal
DNR=Did not Register CORRECT
Amber=Stand By CORRECT

You did a fine job guessing the acronyms, I've got another one for you "CVS". Guess that one and I promise to honor your name forever!

Enjoy your HDTV!

PS the tests preformed were done twice on each UPS. The pwr. dot file and the zipped avi was done on the Energizer UPS showing "% Load"; the spces listed in the post were done attached to the CyberPower 1500LCD UPS showing actual Wattage consumption. Both test were done with the TV isolated on the respective UPS.

MirclMax

07-28-07, 04:29 PM

It was indeed fun!..

NIS= No Input Signal
DNR=Did not Register CORRECT
Amber=Stand By CORRECT

You did a fine job guessing the acronyms, I've got another one for you "CVS". Guess that one and I promise to honor your name forever!

Well.. some sort of context would be useful in determining what you were getting at with CVS .. Computer-wise it would tend to be a Concurrent Version System .. Give me some context and I'd be happy to guess at your usage of it.

Anyhow, I'm just working on getting used to the low backlight.

Oh, and if you're going to be honoring my name forever... lets just make it "Max" (instead of MMax and so forth) :)

Cheers

Woobieizer

07-28-07, 04:33 PM

Has anyone ended up finding a solution to the scrolling issue (kind of a judder, almost like it's dropping frames, or not catching up properly). Someone noted it earlier, saying that is was obvious when watching an ESPN or CNN crawl (I'm noticing it a lot on those types of things, but also when there's any kind of fast-but-smooth panning in a movie or other video.

Thanks!
Dear Mr. or Madam SenatorMonkey,
I do not believe I have read of any such solution that you are inquiring about to this scrolling juttering issue. Google up "Juttering bug 60hz"

Remember:Keep up the testing and don't forget that Westinghouse made it so only they can fix it.

Contact Westinghouse CS (http://www.westinghousedigital.com/contactus.aspx)

Read and Compose Comment to Westinghouse Techspeak (http://www.westinghousedigital.com/techspeak.aspx)

Westinghouse Digital Product Registration (http://www.westinghousedigital.com/registration.aspx)

Use every resource avail. to get your questions answered to your satisfaction.
Taken from Post 1775 (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=11087404&&#post11087404)

Woobieizer

07-28-07, 04:45 PM

Well.. some sort of context would be useful in determining what you were getting at with CVS .. Computer-wise it would tend to be a Concurrent Version System .. Give me some context and I'd be happy to guess at your usage of it.

Anyhow, I'm just working on getting used to the low backlight.

Oh, and if you're going to be honoring my name forever... lets just make it "Max" (instead of MMax and so forth) :)

Cheers
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OK here is your hint MAX.

http://www.tokeup.com/forums/images/smilies/neutral/pcfist.gif

Two of three words are represented in the gif. Your mission, if you choose to accept is to determine the last word on your own, and the correct placement of the three words and post a short Wiki on why we all must be concerned about the issue.

Much luck to ya.. remember it's not the time, it's the adventure.

MirclMax

07-28-07, 05:19 PM

Two of three words are represented in the gif. Your mission, if you choose to accept is to determine the last word on your own, and the correct placement of the three words and post a short Wiki on why we all must be concerned about the issue.

Much luck to ya.. remember it's not the time, it's the adventure.

How 'bout I just post a URL for it?
Computer Vision Syndrome (http://www.allaboutvision.com/cvs/)

Woobieizer

07-28-07, 05:43 PM

How 'bout I just post a URL for it?
Computer Vision Syndrome (http://www.allaboutvision.com/cvs/)
http://www.tokeup.com/forums/images/smilies/neutral/respect.gif

Off Topic of TX but Good Advice for All (http://stop-eyestrain.org.ua/)

xnappo

07-28-07, 06:26 PM

gregklau

07-28-07, 07:07 PM

I just brought home the TX-47 and do not have my Directv HD receiver yet. I installed it anyway waiting for my receiver but I can watch some HD Network television through the OTA. On Saturday that usually means golf, tennis, etc. Anyway, I noticed that when I changed channels or changed from standard to scan etc., a small purple line would appear at the top of the picture. If I change the screen to another setting (e.g. Scan or fill), it disappears for a while. Really aggravating to have to go through 'contortionist' acts to get a good picture. I don't even know if this 'fix' will work continuosly yet. First off, am I doing something wrong and is there a setting I should change to make this go away? I keep thinking that it won't be there when my receiver shows. Secondly, how should the picture be set for HD content (Standard?). What exactly do the various settings do. I noticed when I set the picture to standard, it takes a while to get there and stays on 4:3 for a short while.

Love the televsion and it's picture, don't like the purple line. Thanks in advance.

JokerCPoC

07-28-07, 07:20 PM

bhazard

07-28-07, 07:26 PM

Woobieizer

07-28-07, 07:33 PM

xnappo

07-28-07, 07:36 PM

Westinghouse probably blames the problem on Sony(PS3) and Sony on Westinghouse and Westinghouse may be digging Its heels in, I hope I'm wrong of course, But You'd think they'd want to fix this problem.

Which model of Phillips HD TV did You get? :cool:

I got the Philips 47PFL7432D/37 which is a touch more than the Westy. Costco has a version (47PFL7422D/37 )that is the same but without ambilight - it is about the same as the Westy cost wise.

There are minor firmware issues (IMHO nothing as severe as the Westy issues) but they are publishing user installable firmware on a regular basis.

The main thing you lose with the Philips is VGA... I think the black levels(or at least the processing) are slightly better on the Philips.

bhazard and other long-time readers of this thread - if my mentioning of defecting gets annoying let me know and I will buzz off :)

xnappo

bhazard

07-28-07, 07:52 PM

I got the Philips 47PFL7432D/37 which is a touch more than the Westy. Costco has a version (47PFL7422D/37 )that is the same but without ambilight - it is about the same as the Westy cost wise.

There are minor firmware issues (IMHO nothing as severe as the Westy issues) but they are publishing user installable firmware on a regular basis.

The main thing you lose with the Philips is VGA... I think the black levels(or at least the processing) are slightly better on the Philips.

bhazard and other long-time readers of this thread - if my mentioning of defecting gets annoying let me know and I will buzz off :)

xnappo

Nothing wrong with choosing what is best for you. I cant go without VGA though.

Woobieizer

07-28-07, 08:02 PM

Other than powering off and back on - no.

Customer service acted like it was a problem only with my set and told me to return it (which seems to be their standard 'support'). Returning it fixed the problem - but I suspect only because I brought home a Philips instead :)

They need to issue a firmware update.

xnappo

Glad to see you back. I hope the Philips is doing a righteous job for you and your equipment.

It is a personal choice on what motivates a person to take action. You yourself have written a considerable amount about the TX. Yet your action returning the set will take it's toll on Westinghouse. Consider the calls you placed, the hassle, people have to know what is of value to them, and what is not. If some people find X to be a problem that others do not feel important yet find Z to be their issue but was not a biggie to ...http://www.tokeup.com/forums/images/smilies/neutral/blahblah.gif

What Westinghouse should do, can do, or will do is not relevant. It is the consumers choice to act. So firmware or no.. live with or not.. it's like http://www.tokeup.com/forums/images/smilies/misc/horse.gif

People you bought the TV! So get your satisfaction.
Very Warm Regard to you xnappo!

SenatorMonkey

07-29-07, 01:24 AM

Yes. I noted this awhile back.

You must reboot the tv using the 10-30 second power button reboot. When the TV is off, hold the power button until the W logo shows up on the tv. This fixes it.

Thanks - that seems to have taken care of it for the time being (I was just hoping for a more permanent solution - hopefully one will be forthcoming from Westinghouse in the next weeks/months)!

Woobieizer

07-29-07, 04:27 AM

Thanks woob.
Does it matter if the adapters plugged into the tv or ps3?
PS3 owners Help Request

Hey Sax,
Was wondering if you're caught up on the PS3 issue here or elsewhere, with the stacked plugs, Sony-firmware, etc. I just did a Google Search and it is maddening to see how the HDCP, HDMI, DVI traslation goes or doesn't.

Pretty sure you have heard of Popular Mechanics, check out their web page blog on the PS3 issue.
Jan 2007 PS3 Blinking Mystery Deepens—Westinghouse: "Our TVs Not the Problem" (http://www.popularmechanics.com/blogs/technology_news/4212233.html)
Take some time to read it, watch it, try it, and consider your options.
I can not count the times I have been to WalMart at around this time looking at Wii-Xbox-PS3, head down, kicking a piece of trash in the asile thinking hummmm maybe I should...nahHH I have enough toys already.

If there are any users that run pure HDMI from the PS3 that have not seen an issue with flickering/lost of sound/etc, confirmed DD5.1: Please, please post w/Title "Successful PS3 Config Westinghouse TX" this will make searching easy for everyone.

SPEC. REQ:
Sony firmware revision:
Sony Model #:
HDMI cable Make-Model:
Which Port on Westy:
Which Model Westy:
Firmware Westy:

Thank you all for your consideration.

chomowski

07-29-07, 04:31 AM

aw man, i think it's time to return mine and actually get a brand new one for 60 bucks more.

Gary Merson

07-29-07, 05:44 AM

Learn about charges incurred during and after the Westinghouse one year warranty as well as other brands at

www.hdguru.com

The HD Guru

Geetar

07-29-07, 06:22 AM

Woobieizer

07-29-07, 07:45 AM

Hey all. This is a massive thread, so I'm going to try and get to it by asking some questions. How does the Westy TX-42F430S operate, how is its PQ? What are some major recurrinng problems, if any? I ask because I might pick it up today from BB and us a 10% coupon I have.

Currently, I own the Vizio vu42lf - I like it, but it did cost more and it has some problems I'm not liking (backlight bleeding, pixelation, etc.)

Would this Westinghouse be a wise move? I watch local HD, play the 360 w/ componenet, and have a 1080p upconverting DVD. Let me know what you think, any opinions/feedback would be great.

Thanks in advance.

How hot is that money in your pocket? :) If you have time, do some homework. The link provided by the HDguru 2083 takes you to his web site. It contains some good to know info, Im currently looking at the NIST doc on choosing a Plasma, LCD. Also take a look at Post 1775 (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=11087404&&#post11087404)
Do some searches using these Key words "Xbox", "Interlace", "2 cent", "impressions", and "pq".

Good Hunting

Geetar

07-29-07, 09:25 AM

Yea, just reading over this thread it seems like the westy has some locking up/freezing issues, as well as some backlight bleeding issues. I think I'll hang on to the Vizio - if not just for the extremely liberal return policy at Costco (90 days). If the westy craps anytime over a month, I can't do anything about with Best Buy. Its a couple hundred cheaper, but oh well.

Joony

07-29-07, 11:22 AM

Best Buy has the TX-42 at a cheaper price than the last sale two weeks ago. The 10% off movers coupon expires on 7/31, so make haste!

Geetar

07-29-07, 11:27 AM

Best Buy has the TX-42 at a cheaper price than the last sale two weeks ago. The 10% off movers coupon expires on 7/31, so make haste!

Yea I saw that, but all the problems with TV according to this thread makes me not want to get it and keep the Vizio I have. Plus, BBY's return policy is only 30 days, where Costco's is 90 - and Costco gives you a two year warranty w/o purchasing any service plan. So, if I bought the service plan for the Westy (which I would almost need to based on the freezing problems, etc.) the cost would be greater than Costco's Vizio.

roaf85

07-29-07, 01:12 PM

Best Buy has the TX-42 at a cheaper price than the last sale two weeks ago. The 10% off movers coupon expires on 7/31, so make haste!

What is this movers coupon? I am going to buy this TV today.

bhazard

07-29-07, 01:21 PM

Just an update

Ever since I have switched to HDMI3 and updated to firmware 1.9 for PS3, I have not had a flicker or dropout since. This TV would flicker every time I used PS3 before.

Awesome

EDIT: Nevermind, flickered twice and dropped signal once. It actually isnt really that annoying anymore, I think Im just used to it.

Still love the TV. Gonna try w a dvi cable and adapters next when i get them.

codymaher

07-29-07, 01:59 PM

Yeah let's hear it whats up with this 10% off movers coupon.

Joony

07-29-07, 02:10 PM

Mods: remove this link to fatwallet if the coupon is not allowed.

movers coupon: http://www.fatwallet.com/t/18/742954

codymaher

07-29-07, 02:19 PM

Thanks

superh

07-29-07, 03:51 PM

Best Buy has the TX-42 at a cheaper price than the last sale two weeks ago. The 10% off movers coupon expires on 7/31, so make haste!

Got that deal today. I had a Dell 3007WFP-HC on order. I thought I would want a huge quantity of pixels, but it turns out.. I don't need them!

I love this display (TX-42F430S). I am EXTREMELY happy with it. Extremely.

codymaher

07-29-07, 04:06 PM

Has anyone been able to use the 10% off coupon with there purchase. And if so did you have any problems using it.

roaf85

07-29-07, 05:18 PM

Has anyone been able to use the 10% off coupon with there purchase. And if so did you have any problems using it.

Thanks so much for the coupon. I just got home from Bestbuy. The sales person there tried to say since the TV was on sale that the code would not work. I told him bullshit it says nothing in the exclusions and that I would not believe him until I saw the check-out screen where it said the coupon was not valid.

He goes and talks to a manager and the manager said that his assoicate thought it was a reward zone coupon that does not take into account the sale price.

I got the TV for 989.09 plus tax. Total was $1059. I did not get the Service Plan for $150 dollars more. I know I have 30 days to do it. I was wondering if it would be worth it. I only plan to keep this TV for 2 years as the main TV and then it will move to the bedroom of my new place.

My brother and sister in law both have last years models of Westinghouse and they have had no issues so far. Thanks

superh

07-29-07, 05:19 PM

Has anyone been able to use the 10% off coupon with there purchase. And if so did you have any problems using it.

Yes. It's technically wrong to do so, but I asked specifically about it and they OKayed it.

codymaher

07-29-07, 05:48 PM

Well i went to my best buy and they didn't have any in stock and weren't getting anymore so either Best Buy isn't going to carry them anymore or Westinghouse is changing something on it. But thats all the guy could tell me. Sucks for me

tokiidokii

07-29-07, 06:13 PM

Yea I saw that, but all the problems with TV according to this thread makes me not want to get it and keep the Vizio I have. Plus, BBY's return policy is only 30 days, where Costco's is 90 - and Costco gives you a two year warranty w/o purchasing any service plan. So, if I bought the service plan for the Westy (which I would almost need to based on the freezing problems, etc.) the cost would be greater than Costco's Vizio.

hmmm about these so called problems posted by users here. my tv is a little over a week old and i just want to say is that it's an amazing set for the price. from what i read and what people said in these forums, the TX line is about 2-3 months old so expect to have sets that have some defects.

i'm definitely not an early adopter person and after 'accidentally' buying this set and reading more about the line afterwards, i was definitely scared about what could happen. so far everything is working perfect and i am very very happy/impressed with the set.

i've never gotten any flicker or dropouts (i only have a ps3 hooked up) so i guess i can consider myself lucky for now, but it's still too early to start celebrating :D

i do have about 20 some days left to have some kind of defect manifest itself before i decide to either keep the tv or exchange for another. i really hope i don't have go the latter since to be honest, alot of the other sets i've read about have their own quirks for me to worry about. plus, did i mention that this set is cheap and looks pretty damn good after some tweaking!?!

Bengalfang

07-29-07, 06:36 PM

kolyan2k

07-29-07, 07:29 PM

i wonder if anyone has compared Westy TX-F430S, which i believe has Trident video processing, to Olevia 747i which has Reon HVQ, which is considered to be the best on the market right now.

DaddyLongLegs

07-29-07, 07:49 PM

The only thing keeping me from jumping to HDTV is I do a lot of standard def/interlaced stuff still, such as older video game systems, some VHS, and non high def programming. Every HDTV I've ever seen handles this stuff terribly, and I end up missing my SDTV in those areas. Does this TV handle deinterlacing or upscaling or whatever is needed to do that stuff well?

sangwpark

07-29-07, 08:23 PM

Thank you for putting the 10% coupon! I was able to go to BB today and

1) Pricematched to today's sale price (I bought 42" 2 weeks ago when it was 50 more).

2) Use the coupon to lower it even more.

BB did not have any trouble crediting my 2-weeks ago purchase. I strongly encourage everyone who could stand to save some $$ with the coupon to do so right away! It expires in 2 days.

btw I love my 42" Westy and have no problem with it...although admittedly I do not have PS3.
--
Sang

roaf85

07-29-07, 09:09 PM

A bit of a change of pace....

I am pretty sure I am getting this the 47" Westy after reading the entire thread and posting once. But before I get the TV I would like to have a TV stand to put the TV on. I know the base is 25.5 inches from a previous post. I am looking into this TV stand I saw at Target.

http://www.target.com/gp/detail.html/sr=1-1/qid=1185751810******sr_1_1/602-4444489-8555823?ie=UTF8&asin=B000EIH114

The dimensions are 20.25Hx47.5Wx21.5D". It says it fits some 40" TVs (not on website but on flier at store). Anyway do you guys think the 47" Westy would work on here? Would it dwarf the stand and make the whole thing look stupid?

Thanks for the input.

Todd

This is the TV stand I got.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8320015&st=tv+stand&type=product&id=1175902057256

My old stand was only 27 inches in width and I did not want the tv hanging off the sides. Plus I wanted glass shelves.

cheerful

07-29-07, 09:48 PM

disbthai

07-29-07, 09:48 PM

askjeffro

07-29-07, 10:23 PM

Anyone have the box dimensions of the TX-42F430S? Need to figure out if I can fit it in my jeep, BBY won't deliver till Aug 24th...

TV_Sire

07-29-07, 10:25 PM

jterp7

07-29-07, 10:28 PM

tokiidokii

07-29-07, 10:35 PM

The specs listed as Contrast Ratio 1000:1. Isn't that low for 1080p, most high end LCD with 1080p has around 7000-15000:1 ratio. I'm not really techie guy but what should you be looking for when getting 1080p? the higher the ratio the better picture quality it outputs? I saw this in today's BestBuy Ad and i can't go wrong with the price 1099.99 the only thing stopping me is the contrast ratio.
i think you're comparing reg contrast ratio to dynamic contrast ratio. dynamic contrast is imo just a marketing ploy :mad:

i think realistically, most lcd have between 1 to 1.5k:1 contrast ratio... but w/e... i do advise not to base your purchasing decision on something like this. just go and look at which tv is more pleasant to your eye: wallet :p

and yea, this tv is amazing for it's price! just be aware of the problems others are having in these forums. as for me, i couldn't be happier with my purchase. i think so far i got a rock solid set :)

Woobieizer

07-29-07, 10:38 PM

hmmm about these so called problems posted by users here,.. so far everything is working perfect and i am very very happy/impressed with the set.

i've never gotten any flicker or dropouts (i only have a ps3 hooked up) so i guess i can consider myself lucky for now, but it's still too early to start celebrating :D

tokiidokii, it is refreshing to hear of such success, you are not alone though, several user that use to post here found out what the limitations were and have assumed the role of enjoying what it will do. (assumed) However, I love my set. I actually have to pull myself away from the PC. And my laptop has seen no action since.

tokiidokii, would you lead the pack on responding to Post 2081 (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=11155210&&#post11155210) and list your PS3 config. I would like to compile a "Known Good" check list, and I welcome anyone who could help.

All
You may have noticed that I refer alot of time to Post 1775 (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=11087404&&#post11087404) as a mean to help new and old alike. I started this as a learning tool for myself and appreciate the support I have recieved in the compliation. If you are a real pro, you can edit the reference point on the linked post to add your comments for users benifit. Please PM me if you would like to be added, or removed from this list.

We all have busy lives and to be able to do "Thread Seaches" with specfic keywords would make this forum so friendly..

I humbly request from you all that have been here from the onset to join in with your much regarded time.

Thanks and Remember to Blink every so often.
CVS ;)

Woobieizer

07-29-07, 10:50 PM

tokiidokii

07-29-07, 11:05 PM

PS3 owners Help Request

Hey Sax,
Was wondering if you're caught up on the PS3 issue here or elsewhere, with the stacked plugs, Sony-firmware, etc. I just did a Google Search and it is maddening to see how the HDCP, HDMI, DVI traslation goes or doesn't.

Pretty sure you have heard of Popular Mechanics, check out their web page blog on the PS3 issue.
Jan 2007 PS3 Blinking Mystery Deepens—Westinghouse: "Our TVs Not the Problem" (http://www.popularmechanics.com/blogs/technology_news/4212233.html)
Take some time to read it, watch it, try it, and consider your options.
I can not count the times I have been to WalMart at around this time looking at Wii-Xbox-PS3, head down, kicking a piece of trash in the asile thinking hummmm maybe I should...nahHH I have enough toys already.

If there are any users that run pure HDMI from the PS3 that have not seen an issue with flickering/lost of sound/etc, confirmed DD5.1: Please, please post w/Title "Successful PS3 Config Westinghouse TX" this will make searching easy for everyone.

SPEC. REQ:
Sony firmware revision:
Sony Model #:
HDMI cable Make-Model:
Which Port on Westy:
Which Model Westy:
Firmware Westy:

Thank you all for your consideration.

Hi Woobieizer,

here's my spec for a working config of ps3 w/ westy tx.

Sony firmware revision: 1.9 (had 1.8 with the tv for about 4 days i think... no problems)
Sony Model #: (i dunno what this is suppose to be, but i got my ps3 when price dropped)
HDMI cable Make-Model: (from monoprice.com) 2412 HDMI Cable male to male 28AWG - 6ft w/Ferrite Cores (Gold Plated)
Which Port on Westy: HDMI 1
Which Model Westy: TX-42F430S
Firmware Westy: 5112_1.3.0

the only thing i haven't tested is 5.1 since i don't have that setup.
oh i just tried out vga today and it works like a charm at 1920x1080. my vid card is an nvidia 7900 gt with the newest forceware driver.

Woobieizer

07-29-07, 11:06 PM

It's hard to dig through all these pages. I would like to know how good is the upscaling chip used in the new 42" model. If you can point me to past posts or give me quick overview, it would be really helpful.

thanks!

Post 417 CozmoGeek - There is a Moral (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=10716165&&#post10716165)

Regards.

Hint "quotes around your keyword searches will give you more focus"

Woobieizer

07-29-07, 11:12 PM

Hi Woobieizer,

here's my spec for a working config of ps3 w/ westy tx.

Sony firmware revision: 1.9 (had 1.8 with the tv for about 4 days i think... no problems)
Sony Model #: (i dunno what this is suppose to be, but i got my ps3 when price dropped)
HDMI cable Make-Model: (from monoprice.com) 2412 HDMI Cable male to male 28AWG - 6ft w/Ferrite Cores (Gold Plated)
Which Port on Westy: HDMI 1
Which Model Westy: TX-42F430S
Firmware Westy: 5112_1.3.0

the only thing i haven't tested is 5.1 since i don't have that setup.
oh i just tried out vga today and it works like a charm at 1920x1080. my vid card is an nvidia 7900 gt with the newest forceware driver.

Appreciated! PS3 model.. not sure if there is one but I thought I would ask for it just in case it has an impact.

Thanks

Woobieizer

07-29-07, 11:15 PM

I think if you add about 4" to each of the dimensions listed for the TV itself you should be safe, that said I had to take the thing outta the box since we took my bro's mid size sedan, you could always ask BB, or go measure it yourself at the store

I own a 47" and still have the box.

50 x 45 x 12 for the 47" model

I took it out of the box and put in on my car cover in the trunk of my 01 Dodge Stratus RT. 28 miles interstate, NP.

Regards

Woobieizer

07-29-07, 11:25 PM

A bit of a change of pace....

I am pretty sure I am getting this the 47" Westy after reading the entire thread and posting once. But before I get the TV I would like to have a TV stand to put the TV on. I know the base is 25.5 inches from a previous post. I am looking into this TV stand I saw at Target.

http://www.target.com/gp/detail.html/sr=1-1/qid=1185751810******sr_1_1/602-4444489-8555823?ie=UTF8&asin=B000EIH114

The dimensions are 20.25Hx47.5Wx21.5D". It says it fits some 40" TVs (not on website but on flier at store). Anyway do you guys think the 47" Westy would work on here? Would it dwarf the stand and make the whole thing look stupid?

Thanks for the input.

Todd

That setup look great!

I made a table 48 x 18 x 8 (Low Rider) to accomodate CVS (compter vision syndrome) I look down a bit but it in so doing it makes me blink more, thus keeping eye irratation to a minimum. And with the Viewing Angle Gain, it is still Great! Get this PDF to Test your Calibration LCD Test Patterns (http://hdguru.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/tips-on-buying-a-new-flat-panel-tv.pdf)

Woobieizer

07-29-07, 11:34 PM

kentondb

07-29-07, 11:53 PM

Can someone *hint*Woobieizer*hint* compile a list of known problems with known workarounds (if ones exist on a problem by problem basis)

DaddyLongLegs

07-30-07, 03:56 AM

Find the BB tampon, don't miss the sale, and buy an antenna for local channel, and btw, old RCA Sat, still looks good.
Regards

Um I can't quite make this out, haha. So you're saying my interlaced stuff, aka stuff I will be using S-Video on, will look good on this TV?

And where is the coupon? I saw someone say thanks for someone linking it, but I don't see it.

Woobieizer

07-30-07, 05:53 AM

Can someone *hint*Woobieizer*hint* compile a list of known problems with known workarounds (if ones exist on a problem by problem basis)

That would be just too easy, wouldn't it and even if there was one, there is always that ole saying

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Woobieizer

07-30-07, 06:07 AM

Um I can't quite make this out, haha. So you're saying my interlaced stuff, aka stuff I will be using S-Video on, will look good on this TV?

And where is the coupon? I saw someone say thanks for someone linking it, but I don't see it.

Yes, I use, or have used the S-Video from my Satallite Rec. to the set, now does that mean it will work a beta-max, or pong game? NO

What I am saying is if your in the market for a HDTV don't miss out of a good deal. Sure there are situation that members kick around hoping for solutions to, yet as far as Picture Quality, User Configurable Controls, and Overall Usability. This set http://www.tokeup.com/forums/images/smilies/music_and_dance/club.gif

Good luck

I do not not about the BB % (http://dl1u.savefile.com/5dcf0b87b978bbffb275db4eade6e91d/bestbuymover.pdf) off thingy either, but if you can Hint, stop the bleeding, then % might work.

Warm regards,

DaddyLongLegs

07-30-07, 07:21 AM

Woobieizer

07-30-07, 07:52 AM

Uh, that quite didn't answer my question (and why wouldn't a Beta deck work on this TV anyway? What am I missing?)

I am simply asking if I am going to be let down with this set when it comes to interlaced material. For example, Sega Saturn, etc.

Also, I for a short time had a Sony 36" CRT HDTV and I couldn't believe how awesome the Wii looked on it in 480p. I am sure the fact that it was CRT helped, but man everything looked so crisp and clean. This TV apparantly the Wii looks blurry. Should I sit around and wait for another TV? I am going to be sorely dissapointed with poor interlaced handling and poor 480p performance.

You are correct, I am not answereing your question. I do not have a game console. I have not run my box with interlaced game material. You are correct, if the input fits, use it. What is the quality of 480i from S-Video from a console? Back to square one. What is the quality of 480i from a RCA DT Satellite? Love it!

Warm regards.

tokiidokii

07-30-07, 08:44 AM

So, Westinghouse needs to fix.... (by user installable firmware hopefully)

The energy saver boot up problem (lockups)
Flickering HDCP/HDMI
Incorrect gamma curve
OTA 5.1
Usable PIP option
Autosource not always working (My cable box autosourced on my first TV, wont on my 2nd)
Frame skipping jutter (fixed by 10 sec tv power reboot)

If they do fix this, aside from overall black levels then this tv beats others in its price range hands down right now. There doesn't seem to be any overall banding or mura issues. The sparkles from last year's LVM model on HDMI are not present in the TX line.

I'm curious to see if TVs made after april 13th will have these problems, or if the TX52 will have these issues as well.

Any other issues missing?
Alright, so this morning, the first known issue manifested itself for me (tv build date is june 26 2007 with firmware 5112_1.3.0). I've been running energy saver mode for about a week now and when i turned on the set, the amber light went on but nothing happened. pressed the power button on the remote a couple of times after waiting some odd minutes and no response. so i did a 10 sec tv power reboot, and the westinghouse logo appeared.

i'm still keeping an eye out for other issues. this is strike 1 for me and if 2 more minor problems or just the flicker problem, rear it's ugly head, i'm afraid i will be exchanging this for another set :(

i just hope that the problems happen before my 30 days are up. really crossing my fingers for either westinghouse releasing a firmware usable by consumers or just them acknowledging the fact that there are semi-serious/serious problems with their sets to save a good amount of us the trouble of purchasing their tv until things get sorted out.

i'm all for affordable sets, but when quality is compromised i'd gladly pay the extra hundred of dollars for a quality/reliable one (even though both, more so reliability, seem to be at the bottom of the list for all companies, even the top tier ones unfortunately... just my opinion). :mad:

xnappo

07-30-07, 08:56 AM

Alright, so this morning, the first known issue manifested itself for me (tv build date is june 26 2007 with firmware 5112_1.3.0).

Wow - I guess your post yesterday cursed you! Did you forget to knock on wood?

The power thing kept happening with my set even AFTER turning off energy saver. I don't think this happens to most people though.

xnappo

tokiidokii

07-30-07, 09:16 AM

Wow - I guess your post yesterday cursed you! Did you forget to knock on wood?

The power thing kept happening with my set even AFTER turning off energy saver. I don't think this happens to most people though.

xnappo
lol! i did knock on 'particle board' (love ikea!)... does that count :p!?!

i'm keeping it on e-saver right now since i assumed that if it's a reset of memory or corruption of firmware or some other thing, that the problem could possibility exhibit itself also in normal mode. but thanks for confirming what i was assuming :D (i know it's a stretch but i had a power/connection problem with my old cell phone. if you keep it on at all times, it manages to have a memory overflow problem or something which cuts the phone off from cell phone service. the fix the guy recommended, is powering the phone off from time to time to reset it... haha it was a sony ericsson phone!)

and you're right, this is probably not prevalent on all sets but again, i'm hoping this is as good as gone with a firmware fix... now if only westinghouse is hearing our humble plea... :rolleyes:

bhazard

07-30-07, 09:58 AM

huggybear

07-30-07, 10:22 AM

lol! i did knock on 'particle board' (love ikea!)... does that count :p!?!

i'm keeping it on e-saver right now since i assumed that if it's a reset of memory or corruption of firmware or some other thing, that the problem could possibility exhibit itself also in normal mode. but thanks for confirming what i was assuming

My first TX-47 died on me while using e.saver mode (same symptoms you described except the reboot would not fix it). I don't use e.saver with my new set. I personally think there is some sort of bug in the firmware. The boot up sequence takes forever and I just get too anxious during the wait.

tokiidokii

07-30-07, 10:37 AM

My first TX-47 died on me while using e.saver mode (same symptoms you described except the reboot would not fix it). I don't use e.saver with my new set. I personally think there is some sort of bug in the firmware. The boot up sequence takes forever and I just get too anxious during the wait.
yea i was just going to keep it in e.saver mode until the problem shows up again. but i don't want to kill my tv yet so i'll switch it to normal mode when i get home. thanks for the insight :).

yea it really sounds like a firmware problem that's (from pure speculation) probably derived from compatibility of components, among other things. i am hopeful that a firmware (if released) could/should fix this.

huggybear

07-30-07, 10:43 AM

If there are any users that run pure HDMI from the PS3 that have not seen an issue with flickering/lost of sound/etc, confirmed DD5.1: Please, please post w/Title "Successful PS3 Config Westinghouse TX" this will make searching easy for everyone.

SPEC. REQ:
Sony firmware revision:
Sony Model #:
HDMI cable Make-Model:
Which Port on Westy:
Which Model Westy:
Firmware Westy:

Woobieizer - I am on my 2nd TX-47 and neither of them have had any problems with HDMI and the PS3. Both units were built on Apr 13 with the 5110_1.1.0 firmware. Actually, I don't think there are any TX-47 owners out there with a different build date or firmware (someone please speak up if your system info shows something different).

As for my PS3, I am currently using the latest firmware but I have actually used the last 3 revisions and never had a problem. I am using HDMI input #1.

I personally don't think it has anything to do with the Westy (if they all have the same build date and firmware, what could possibly differ hardware-wise from a set that exhibits the flickering problem with one that doesn't) ??

My guess is that it has something to do with the PS3 and/or cable. I am using a Cables To Go Velocity HDMI cable from Tiger Direct:

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2943607&CatId=1638#detailspecs

I've noticed a couple of things that differ between HDMI cables... I don't know if these things would matter at all but I'll throw them out for discussion (someone more knowledgeable on HDMI please chime in):

1) dual-link or single-link (can't say what my cable is as it isn't listed)

2) AWG (again, mine isn't listed but I have seen 24 and 28AWG)

3) gold-plated connector (mine is 24 karat gold-plated)

4) shielded (mine is fully shielded)

So if I had to make an educated guess, maybe the flickering problem is caused by the HDMI cable losing the signal for a split second which causes a problem with the HDCP negotiations and hence the flickering while it is re-established ?

armenhamer

07-30-07, 10:56 AM

Whatever happened to the days where you could just turn a tv off? Now theres a "normal mode" and a "e save mode".

I've got the 42" and yeah knock on wood, so far so good. For the first week I left it on normal mode and then noticed that the back of the unit was warm. That seems silly to me if your not using it it should not be drawing any power. So I switched to E Saver mode and now it's not warm at all! Have had it set that way since Saturday we'll see how that goes.

Honestly I wouldn't mind leaving it in normal mode, it just seems like with anything you get more life out of it if it's not always being used.

jterp7

07-30-07, 11:18 AM

is this happening more on 47's than 42's? talking about the e.saver issue..I bought mine on the 15th...and changed to esaver mode probably a few days into using it

tokiidokii

07-30-07, 11:40 AM

is this happening more on 47's than 42's? talking about the e.saver issue..I bought mine on the 15th...and changed to esaver mode probably a few days into using it
not really sure about the frequency of this anomaly occuring in certain sets, but i have a 42 and this is the first time this happened to me (after about a week of using e.saver mode). huggy has a 47 and he did state that his first set had the same symptoms i've experienced before his set died shortly while after (really don't know how long huggy had it in e.saver mode btw).

now this doesn't mean that this bug is the sole cause that killed his tv but just be aware that it did happen so just be prepared for things :) . i mean it might not even happen to you but who knows.

xnappo

07-30-07, 11:45 AM

not really sure about the frequency of this anomaly occuring in certain sets, but i have a 42 and this is the first time this happened to me (after about a week of using e.saver mode). huggy has a 47 and he did state that his first set had the same symptoms i've experienced before his set died shortly while after (really don't know how long huggy had it in e.saver mode btw).

now this doesn't mean that this bug is the sole cause that killed his tv but just be aware that it did happen so just be prepared for things :) . i mean it might not even happen to you but who knows.

I don't want to scare anyone, but with me my set started doing it more and more often. At the end it was doing it in normal mode every 5-6 hours of being off.

xnappo

Lutch

07-30-07, 12:12 PM

Saw something strange while playing The Darkness on Xbox360 through VGA last night.

I noticed about 4 or 5 flashing green pixels on the tv, which would indicate dying pixels on the lcd screen. I thought "oh no" and continued to play. They were noticeable in dark areas.

I switched over to my cable box and PS3, and the pixels were fine. I looked around for a channel with a dark screen and nothing was wrong.

If it was the panel, it should have been seen in the other inputs. Maybe its my VGA cable? Either way, I'll have to check again tonight.

Seeing that made me realize again that I would take a fixable lockup or flicker anyday over stuck or flashing pixels.

bhazard,
I was playing The Darkness on my PS3 this weekend as well and I think I had a similar situation as you. I believe the main character was in the dark room on the chair talking, filler for the loading times, and it flashed some green pixels in the vicinity of his jacket. I think it was just a glitch in the programing, not a TV thing.

Geetar

07-30-07, 12:26 PM

Woobieizer

07-30-07, 12:38 PM

Lutch

07-30-07, 01:03 PM

Hopefully I can get around to posting my PS3 sound settings and pics tonight, I'll try though. I'll tell you what, The Darkness looks pretty sweet on this TV and the surround sound down in the subway as a train is coming in and out is pretty cool. AS you rotate the character the sound of the train rotates around the speakers. I found my self spinning in circles just to hear it :D .

santur

07-30-07, 01:09 PM

Sony firmware revision: 1.9
Sony Model #: 60GB
HDMI cable Make-Model: Radio Shack 15-1085
Which Port on Westy: HDMI1
Which Model Westy: TX-47F430S
Firmware Westy: 5110-1.1.0

tokiidokii

07-30-07, 01:17 PM

tokiidokii - Thanks for bringing this up. The lockup and Matrix affect, I think are related. Do you recall the last imput you had it on?

bhazard - I think that game is possesed!

huggybear - Thanks for the reposting this PS3 info. I can't imagine you would have not already posted your success, yet I have to admit... myconfession:ihavenotreadeverythingintheforumiwasawolforamon thplayingneedforspeedcarbonimsoashamed

Xnappo - Aren't you just dying to get another?http://www.tokeup.com/forums/images/smilies/neutral/eek2.gif

armenhamer- It is almost like a computer, with a suspend (E-saver), Hibernate (the lockup), and OFF!
>Power Options >E-Saver >Power on Plug (OFF), w/UPS + AVR

Lutch - You owe the forum Your PS3 config..plz Thank, tonight! gotcha

Geetar - Lifes a risk. come join our happy throng offically.
first in response to geetar. your line of thinking isn't bad. i was in the same boat and i decided to take the plunge (after some semi serious thought... gotta be mentally prepared for the heartaches lol). whenever you are spending your hard earned money (i'm sure not all of us are millionaires :p ), i think you're entitled to take everything into account before actually going forward with anything.

as for woobieizer, i do remember the last input i had it in. yesterday was the first time i tried using vga. as expected, it auto-recognized the connection and everything was perfect. what i did though, i actually reset my computer back to single screen so there is no feed going into the tv then i manually (used the remote) switched back to HDMI 1 while my ps3 was off. that was the last thing i did last night. the ONLY time i switched HDMI ports was the day i got the tv. i accidentally plugged it in HDMI 4 (no problems) but since i'm crazy like that, i had to have it on HDMI 1 :D .

oh i forgot to mention, i did switch HDMI cables (port is still #1). i couldn't bear waiting for cables from monoprice so i picked up a temporary Acoustic Research cable from BB when i got my tv (this was 2 fridays ago). i've switched cables last friday and no problems with connection thus far.

armenhamer

07-30-07, 01:30 PM

Geetar it seems to me that if you look through other threads even the name brands have there own sets of issues as well. My thought is you've got 30 days and get the 4 year warranty. It's a good TV as long as it stays working right.

Also I found this on HDGURU, which talks about second and third tier manufacture warranty's. Here's what they said about Westy.

Westinghouse

If the set is purchased from Best Buy it must be returned to the store for warranty service regardless of the size of the TV, according to the Westinghouse customer service department. If purchased elsewhere, Westinghouse customer service must be called to determine if the set is in need of factory service. Westinghouse will issue a return authorization if they determine factory services is needed and it will pay the freight both ways if the TV was purchased within the last 90 days. From 90 days to the end of the one-year warranty, the consumer must pay the return freight and supply the original packaging or a suitable equivalent. Westinghouse does not sell replacement cartons and packing. Out of warranty service is available locally in select markets according to its customer service department. If there is no local factory authorized servicer in your area, the set owner must pay the freight both ways and the cost or repair parts and labor, which will be determined after Westinghouse receives and examines the malfunctioning television.

Woobieizer

07-30-07, 01:54 PM

Sony firmware revision: 1.9
Sony Model #: 60GB
HDMI cable Make-Model: Radio Shack 15-1085
Which Port on Westy: HDMI1
Which Model Westy: TX-47F430S
Firmware Westy: 5110-1.1.0

Is your HDMI-1 PS3 porting sound- and if so is it DD-5.1 anybody???

Awesome! Santur. Thank you very much for hitting the details.. i hope things stay consistent.

Hopefully I can get around to posting my PS3 sound settings and pics tonight, I'll try though. I'll tell you what, The Darkness looks pretty sweet on this TV and the surround sound down in the subway as a train is coming in and out is pretty cool. AS you rotate the character the sound of the train rotates around the speakers. I found my self spinning in circles just to hear it :D .
http://www.tokeup.com/forums/images/smilies/positive/bowrofl.gif

..switched back to HDMI 1 while my ps3 was off. that was the last thing i did last night. (then today)..I've been running energy saver mode for about a week now and when i turned on the set, the amber light went on but nothing happened...
Your set, if it had come up would have been looking for signal on HDMI-1 (the PS3) correct?

Anyhow. I have had only an issue with Ulgy Display on HDMI-1>PC (http://bellsouthpwp2.net/c/a/cald2624/matrix.pdf) My TV had been set to >Power on Plug (ON) >Power Mode >Normal. And my utility power cycled, **** http://www.tokeup.com/forums/images/smilies/signs/mcpoop.gif hits the fan, the TV pwr'ed back on to my PC (PC on HDMI-1) and god bless this is what I woke up one morning seeing.
And the last time I had ugly display was the other night as I was composing the UPS/Wattage Usage/BTU post. I was using Remote Desktop from another PC remoted into the box connected to the TV. As I was decreasing the backlight to 0 (zero), down to Off, I pwred the TV off for the last Wattage measurment, and when I powered the TV back on.. here comes the wack picture. All I did from that point was unplug the HDMI cable, and turn the TV off, plug the HDMI cable back in, and Turn the TV back on. Just so everone knows.. My TV is not bullet-proof either. But she's still my baby.

Thanks for all the good Info Guy!!

Still wondering about PS3 sound via HDMI-1?
Regards

bhazard

07-30-07, 02:04 PM

Sony firmware revision: 1.9
Sony Model #: 20GB
HDMI cable Make-Model: DVI Gear 2m/Monoprice 28awg
Which Port on Westy: HDMI2/HDMI3 (flicker or dropout sometimes)
Which Model Westy: TX-47F430S
Firmware Westy: 5110-1.1.0
Sound: HDMI into TV, optical DD/DTS 5.1 from TV to receiver. (Spherex Xbox 5.1)

tokiidokii

07-30-07, 02:31 PM

... Your set, if it had come up would have been looking for signal on HDMI-1 (the PS3) correct?...
yes i would assume that. i have my set to auto-recognize. however, what i did this morning (not sure if this is a cause... and i forgot to mention this) i turned on my pc and set it to have feed going to the tv. at this point my tv was still off but my comp is already feeding data to the tv.

then i turned on my tv and nada... the so called 'e.saver lockup' struck me. i was confused at first, thinking my tv was warming up so i waited for a few mins til i finally decided to pick up the remote and power it down. didn't get a response after a couple of tries so i did a reboot using the set's power button. i then saw the westinghouse splash screen and it immediately recognized that there is feed coming from the pc.

again, at this point it's hard to pinpoint what's going on but i want to try again by process of elimination if i can recreate what happened this morning. could be a fluke but doesn't hurt to try again... well there is a chance that i might outright kill my tv hehe.

huggybear

07-30-07, 02:37 PM

Okay. I've been considering this TV, but it sounds like it is a gamble. Lots of people talk about various problems with the TV (e.saver, freezing, lockups, HDMI inputs). Also, it seems like some of these issues do not become apparent for a few days/weeks. BB has a short return policy and I don't want to get caught with a lemon TV.

Does anyone here think this line of thinking is bad? Or would it definately be worth my while to pick up this set? I'm just looking for some sensible opinions.

Geetar - that's just the nature of these forums - people report problems in an effort to determine if they are flaws in the set or problems with their individual setups, etc. You can go into a forum for any set on the market and you will read about problem after problem. A lot of the time it is user error, sometimes the individual posting just got a lemon set, and sometimes it is a genuine problem with the build or the entire line. You just have to pick the set that has the problems which you can live with.

There simply isn't a better bang for your buck than the TX series. The Vizio is close but if you look at those forums you will discover a litany of problems. In my opinion there are more and they are worse. Plus, the TX is superior if you look at the specs.

If you look at the Sony and Sammy forums, again you will read about all sorts of problems. The main difference here is that those owners paid hundreds if not thousands more for their sets.

So as Woobieizer said - come and join our happy gang :)

kenpachi

07-30-07, 02:43 PM

Geetar - that's just the nature of these forums - people report problems in an effort to determine if they are flaws in the set or problems with their individual setups, etc. You can go into a forum for any set on the market and you will read about problem after problem. A lot of the time it is user error, sometimes the individual posting just got a lemon set, and sometimes it is a genuine problem with the build or the entire line. You just have to pick the set that has the problems which you can live with.

There simply isn't a better bang for your buck than the TX series. The Vizio is close but if you look at those forums you will discover a litany of problems. In my opinion there are more and they are worse. Plus, the TX is superior if you look at the specs.

If you look at the Sony and Sammy forums, again you will read about all sorts of problems. The main difference here is that those owners paid hundreds if not thousands more for their sets.

So as Woobieizer said - come and join our happy gang :)
i Couldn't have said it better brother.We are proud owners of the TX westy even though not so happy sometimes :p

sangwpark

07-30-07, 03:13 PM

10% coupon can be found on previous post #2092. Set to expire 7/31. Worked for me at a store in Seattle yesterday for Pricematch. Just brought my receipt from 2 weeks ago, and the folks at BB returns area did the rest and credited back (both the price difference and 10% on top of that difference) into my account without any hassle.

--
Sang

armenhamer

07-30-07, 03:30 PM

Sang- was the set when you bought it on sale? Does the 10% coupon work on the set when it's already on sale?

jterp7

07-30-07, 03:35 PM

it does...but the number of tries it takes at BB stores depends on the leniency of the associate and/or manager in charge at the time, luckily for me after finding out the inventory at one store was wrong, going to right store also resulted in me finding the "right" guy who would accept the coupon the first time around.

Either way call to me sure the store has the dang thing in first place before you waste time trying to get the coupon to work for a product is not even in stock -_-

sangwpark

07-30-07, 03:39 PM

Sang- was the set when you bought it on sale? Does the 10% coupon work on the set when it's already on sale?

Before I asked for pricematch yesterday, I asked a general question specific to this coupon. At least in Southcenter/Seattle BB, the coupon will work with the sales price. Thus...the current price for this set with the coupon will be somewhere around nine ninety.

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Sang

Mikeoz

07-30-07, 04:13 PM

Sony firmware revision: 1.9
Sony Model #: 60GB
HDMI cable Make-Model: Radio Shack 15-1085
Which Port on Westy: HDMI1
Which Model Westy: TX-47F430S
Firmware Westy: 5110-1.1.0

The one thing I've noticed is that the people w/ no flashing/dropouts on the ps3 seem to be using the HDMI1 input. I've used hdmi 2/3 and they both seem to have the problem, but maybe hdmi1 is different somehow? I will have to try that tonight/tomorrow, and I'll report back how it goes. I'd say over the course of a 2 hr movie, the set flickers at least 5-6 times, and i usually get 1 droupout, sometimes 2. It's VERY annoying. I'll try HDMI1 and cross my fingers..

Thanks for posting guys with your succesful configurations! :) Regardless of whether it will help me it's nice to know some people are having no issues w/ the flickering/dropouts. I haven't experienced any other issues *knock on wood*, so my only complaints are the so-so black levels and the hdmi flickering issue..

chrpai

07-30-07, 04:19 PM

Does anyone else have IR remote problems? I have to kinda walk around the TV to find the sweet spot to adjust the volume.

roaf85

07-30-07, 04:53 PM

I am still really confused about the psp warranty. It seems like this is the general consensus to buy the warranty. On my college salary of around 1400 a month after taxes I really am pushing it this month after buying the Westy 42 inch for 1050 with tax and the TV stand for a grand total of just around 1200.

I only have 30 days to decide on the BestBuy plan. Is there any other extended warranties through other places that I could buy within the 1 year manufactor warranty? Even though the PSP is great the 150 dollars is roughly 15 percent of the TV cost.

God I really need to stop reading about the problems in this thread. I always do this and get buyers remorse. Help me out :)

Joony

07-30-07, 05:38 PM

roaf85, use the 10% movers coupon to sweeten the deal! Quick! Expires tomorrow! http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=11157893&&#post11157893

xnappo

07-30-07, 05:42 PM

roaf85, use the 10% movers coupon to sweeten the deal! Quick! Expires tomorrow! http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=11157893&&#post11157893

Agreed. Just did this with my Philips and basically got a free PSP!

BB CS didn't even blink at doing the deal.

xnappo

tokiidokii

07-30-07, 07:50 PM

hello all!

ok just got home and turned on my tv after about 12hrs of no usage. e.saver locked up again so i had to do another reboot. anyway, on my way home i've been thinking that auto-sourcing could be the problem (not really sure if this has been debunked).

ok here's the steps i did earlier... i hope this is understandable (kinda crazy actually):

turn on tv, no source (auto-source is on): westy splash shows: turned on ps3: no video: waited a couple of minutes: nothing: turned off ps3: reboot: westy spash shows up again: light stayed amber: took longer than usual but light turned blue: turned on ps3 and it auto source: turned off tv and ps3: turn on ps3: turned on tv, auto-sourced, feed shows: i turn off auto-source, kept it on HDMI 1: turn off ps3: turn off tv: turn on tv with ps3 off: boots up properly: turn tv off again: turn on ps3 then tv: boots up properly, feed shows: then i go back to turn auto-source on, did the whole turn ps3 on and off etc. and tv on and off also etc.: boots properly: turned off ps3: kept auto-source on, switch source to pc (no feed coming from pc since it's off): turn tv on, boots up properly and is sourced on pc (no feed): turn on ps3 and auto-sourced.

does this tell me anything? hardly but it really feels like it's a hardware problem that may or may not be resolved by a firmware (being the pessimist that i am, i'm leaning towards the latter). tonight i'll leave it on e.saver again but i will turn off auto-sourcing and check tomorrow morning if it boots up properly. i will keep the setting before leaving from work and check again when i get back.

and then, before i go to bed, i'll keep e.saver on with auto-source on and see if that prevents the tv from turning on the next day without rebooting. i'll do this for maybe a week and see how that goes, alternating between the settings.

also, there are so many other variables at play here, such as is my tv too cold and need to warm up first (yea kinda weird :p )? who knows. is it a connection issue? again i don't know. it could be a 'memory' thing since rebooting the machine pretty much resets it but it's pure speculation. i mean, maybe the boards/memory (if there is 'memory') gets overloaded or something but that's too technical now hehe.

anyway, still no flicker so that's a good sign. i can't wait to try out my little experiment for some reason but if anyone has done this, please let me know. oh and i hope this makes sense but i need to go work out so i'm trying my best to post as fast as i can without leaving off things lol

oh i did the price adjustment earlier after work with 10% off. the lady let me still keep the no interest til 2009 and she added the 4yr plan (still no interest). the best thing tho, since after the pricematch and 10% off, the tv pretty much is below 1k (is this ok to post?) so the price plan got lowered to 130! i ended up getting 30 bucks credit to my bb card :p . thought i'd share that just to confirm that you can get the 10% off even after the pricematch.

sorry for the long post lol

Bengalfang

07-30-07, 08:23 PM

That setup look great!

I made a table 48 x 18 x 8 (Low Rider) to accomodate CVS (compter vision syndrome) I look down a bit but it in so doing it makes me blink more, thus keeping eye irratation to a minimum. And with the Viewing Angle Gain, it is still Great! Get this PDF to Test your Calibration LCD Test Patterns (http://hdguru.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/tips-on-buying-a-new-flat-panel-tv.pdf)

Woobz - Thanks for your dimensions, seems like the stand I want will work since your width dimension is similar.

Roaf - Thanks for the link to your stand with similar dimensions as the Target one, it looks pretty sweet. I will probably go with the Target one though, I like the matching towers it comes with.

Thanks,

Todd

Lutch

07-30-07, 10:05 PM

Attached are the pics showing the PS3 settings that I am using to get DD5.1 out of the HDMI cable from the PS3 to the TV and out of the TV with the Optical to the Receiver.

The first picture shows my settings under: SETTINGS - SOUND SETTINGS - AUDIO OUTPUT SETTINGS. I have HDMI selected next, then MANUAL selected next, then I have the Dolby Digital 5.1 ch. & DTS 5.1 Ch. boxes checked, the other PCM options are greyed out.

The second picture just shows the end screen for the previous settings, it only shows a rundown of the settings.

The third picture shows my settings under: SETTINGS - BD/DVD SETTINGS. Take note of the settings for the BD/DVD Audio Output Format (HDMI) I have it set to Bitstream.

These settings allowed me to enjoy DD5.1 surround for games as well as DVD's. Not sure if everyone is aware, but games and DVD's don't always put the menu and opening screens in DD5.1, so the receiver will show only 2 channels and not the 5.1.

Sony firmware revision: 1.9
Sony Model #: 60GB Initial Distribution
HDMI cable Make-Model: WireLogic
Which Port on Westy: HDMI1
Which Model Westy: TX-42F430S
Firmware Westy: 5110-1.1.0

Lutch

07-30-07, 10:32 PM

cheerful

07-30-07, 10:39 PM

Lutch

07-30-07, 10:51 PM

Just bought the 42".

Tried HD OTA and it worked fine. I am pretty happy with the SD quality.

The only other thing I tried is PC/VGA. However, there seems to be a problem that I can't correct. I have an ATI X800. The TV is set as 2nd display @ 1080. Initially, it was fine for a few minutes. Then it started to flicker. The image will shake briefly or the screen will black out. Then it will come back to normal, sometimes with input shown. I've turned off Auto Source and the problem remains. If I changes the resolution to 1280x1024, it runs fine w/o a problem

I have not hooked up my dvd player yet.

Any idea on how to troubleshoot? Thanks!

Welcome to the club first off,

Second what setting do you have the TV set to under the PC settings in the menu?

I wasn't able to get the TV to display 1920x1080 on one of my PC's then I changed the setting on the TV from Manual to Auto and it found the correct refresh rate accordingly and looked FABULOUS as a monitor. I don't have the TV hooked up to my PC right now otherwise I'd throw some pictures up to show you.

askjeffro

07-30-07, 10:54 PM

Woobieizer

07-30-07, 11:00 PM

Attached are pics of the settings for my TV & of my reciever outputing DD5.1 during gameplay for The Darkness.

First Picture is of the TV sound Settings

Second Picture is of my Reciever

Thirs Picture is of the display of my Reciever during gameplay

Extra Mile awarded to .........LUTCH! http://www.tokeup.com/forums/images/smilies/positive/first.gif
Now I want a PS3..
Donations can be made in the form of a BB gift certificate mailed to my home address.

Woobieizer

07-30-07, 11:11 PM

bhazard

07-30-07, 11:43 PM

bhazard

07-30-07, 11:46 PM

Anyone have preferred settings for their Wii setup. I know going to a 1080p LCD is difficult for 480p source, but the setup I have now is not acceptable and I may have to return the the 42" back to best buy within the 30 day window. Thanks...

Since the westy does a better than average job with SD and 480p content, i'm not sure you'll find a better lcd other than the olevias for SD content.

Are you using component cables? fill mode? 480i or 480p?

foomp

07-31-07, 06:07 AM

Hi everyone,

I've been silently following this thread for about a week (it's a lot of reading!) and picked up a 42 at BB yesterday for a great price :). Got it home and all plugged in and it looks awesome! No mura (well i suppose a minor amount in the lower left corner, but its only a few inches) and no dead pixels.

I don't have any HDMI plugged in right now unfortunately, my roomates ps3 has some power issue :( . BUT the DVD and PS2 look awesome over component. I have noticed odd issue however - when switching SD channels the screen jitters a split second when it locks in the new channel - the picture appears - moves forward 1/3 second - reverses then goes forward with audio. this behaviour doesn't happen with HD channels. Has anyone seen this behaviour with a 42 or 47, or any device before?

Despite picking up my tv at the end of July it still has a build date of April 13, and firmware 5110_1.1.0 . Are there significant improvements with the newer build dates? Are any improvements added?

Either way this is the best PQ screen i've seen, especially for this price point! Both SD and HD is awesome.

-foomp

Woobieizer

07-31-07, 06:36 AM

I have noticed odd issue however - when switching SD channels the screen jitters a split second when it locks in the new channel - the picture appears - moves forward 1/3 second - reverses then goes forward with audio. this behaviour doesn't happen with HD channels. Has anyone seen this behaviour with a 42 or 47, or any device before?-foomp

Welcome aboard! Say can you tell us a little more about the connection you are using for the HD/SD channel pickup. IE. QAM cable, OTA, etc....

Happy Happy day!

flabioh

07-31-07, 07:13 AM

Hi everyone,
I have noticed odd issue however - when switching SD channels the screen jitters a split second when it locks in the new channel - the picture appears - moves forward 1/3 second - reverses then goes forward with audio. this behaviour doesn't happen with HD channels. Has anyone seen this behaviour with a 42 or 47, or any device before?
-foomp

Congrats on the purchase! My 42" does the exact same thing with the internal QAM tuner. Initially I thought it was a little weird, but I think all it is doing is syncing the signal. It shouldn't be anything to worry about.

disbthai

07-31-07, 07:55 AM

Well, went to BB yesterday looking for Samsung 40" LNT 4061 model and came out with a Westy 42" TX-42F430S $1099.99 with 10% off coupon. Brought it home and hooked it up and tested against PS3 1080P movie "Crank". Had watched it on my Sony Projection 46" 1080i just couple of days ago my buddy immediately saw a huge difference and we can't believe our eyes.

Needles to say I was alittle skeptical when purchasing this TV and I've been on this forum reading the pros and cons of this TV. For the price and picture quality of his TV, I know I've made a right decisions. For those who are weary on the brand and price, give Westy a chance and you'll wont be disappointed.

askjeffro

07-31-07, 08:00 AM

Since the westy does a better than average job with SD and 480p content, i'm not sure you'll find a better lcd other than the olevias for SD content.

Are you using component cables? fill mode? 480i or 480p?

Thats what I was thinking when I bought the TV, but the Wii is not looking so hot. I previously played on my fathers 37" Plasma and it looked great, I'm thinking the LCD is the culprit.

I am using the component cables with the wii set to widescreen and 480P, the TV sees the signal as 480P.

Image is is jagged, which I expected. But the textures are really blurry and there appears to be a slight ghosting.

Is their a way via the TV or otherwise, to upscale the image similar to DVD upscaling prior to display, that is the only way I can think of that might actually make it look fair, at least at this point. Playing with the usual TV settings has proven fruitless. For whatever its worth, setting the Wii to NON-Widescreen actually makes the game look slightly better, (when setting the TV to standard) which I believe is just a result of stretching it out less.

Cheers.

foomp

07-31-07, 08:08 AM

Welcome aboard! Say can you tell us a little more about the connection you are using for the HD/SD channel pickup. IE. QAM cable, OTA, etc....

Happy Happy day!

Sorry forgot to mention that *doh!*, it's tuning through the QAM cable and only seems to happen when switching to a 480i SD channel, irrespective of previous channel, SD -> HD doesn't do it, nor does HD -> HD

Congrats on the purchase! My 42" does the exact same thing with the internal QAM tuner. Initially I thought it was a little weird, but I think all it is doing is syncing the signal. It shouldn't be anything to worry about.

Right on! Glad to know i'm not alone. I didn't think it was a big issue, but since i have little experience with HD or LCD sets i thought id mention it. :)

Woobieizer

07-31-07, 08:28 AM

Thats what I was thinking when I bought the TV, but the Wii is not looking so hot. I previously played on my fathers 37" Plasma and it looked great, I'm thinking the LCD is the culprit.

I am using the component cables with the wii set to widescreen and 480P, the TV sees the signal as 480P.

Image is is jagged, which I expected. But the textures are really blurry and there appears to be a slight ghosting.

Is their a way via the TV or otherwise, to upscale the image similar to DVD upscaling prior to display, that is the only way I can think of that might actually make it look fair, at least at this point. Playing with the usual TV settings has proven fruitless. For whatever its worth, setting the Wii to NON-Widescreen actually makes the game look slightly better, (when setting the TV to standard) which I believe is just a result of stretching it out less.

Cheers.
Have a look if you haven't already.
POST 1746 Xcalibur_255 (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=11080808&&#post11080808)
Regards

cheerful

07-31-07, 08:47 AM

Welcome to the club first off,

Second what setting do you have the TV set to under the PC settings in the menu?

I wasn't able to get the TV to display 1920x1080 on one of my PC's then I changed the setting on the TV from Manual to Auto and it found the correct refresh rate accordingly and looked FABULOUS as a monitor. I don't have the TV hooked up to my PC right now otherwise I'd throw some pictures up to show you.

I should thank people here for helping me to choose this TV, though I only had time to read through 1/3 of the posts.

It's shown with the right name and automatically at 60Hz. I thought this might be a driver issue. I had CCC 6.5 and upgraded to 7.7. It turned out 7.7 did not work with this TV neither and it had problem with ATI Tool. So I am backing down to 6.11 (seem to be fine with ATI Tool).

One problem is that video does not get played in the second display (TV). When I change CCC to do that, it's never get stretched horizontally, only vertically. Strange. However, this might be a driver issue.

I guess I probably can upgrade the video card. A couple of questions.

1. Can audio for HDMI input 1 be controlled separately? Other HDMI has no RCA to use. This affects my decision on the choice of video card (DVI, RGB, VGA).

2. Anybody made headways regarding the 5.1 audio pass through? I've not checked TV system info yet. I have an old Amp with limited digital audio connection. Using TV as switcher will be ideal (one of the reason I chose this TV).

3. What kind of test programs are available (assuming I can get the PC to work and my DVI-HMDI cable will arrive soon)?

4. Is there any good calibration option? I think I have one DVD from 3M which claims does something. But I am a HD newbie and does not have much clue.

5. I've turned off backlight and yet I feel the black is not that dark and looks quite cloudy -- might be a source issues. But the word "mura" just get into my head. How could I tell?

Thanks!

jterp7

07-31-07, 08:57 AM

askjeffro

07-31-07, 09:30 AM

Have a look if you haven't already.
POST 1746 Xcalibur_255 (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=11080808&&#post11080808)
Regards

Thanks, I have read those posts. I guess I'm hoping those users will post their setup configurations. Perhaps I'm just expecting to much out of an LCD, but I say with certainty that it doesn't look good at all compared a 37" plasma, a 62" DLP, and a 27" old CRT.

Mikeoz

07-31-07, 10:15 AM

I think we may possibly have a solution to stop flickering with PS3.

I switched to HDMI1 tonight, and after playing Tekken, Motorstorm, and watching a Blu-ray movie, the TV did not flicker or drop out at all in 3 hrs.

Also, DO NOT force 24hz Blu-ray output on the PS3. The TV will show a picture, but you will get no sound and the "No Input Detected" box.

Another little tidbit of info for everyone, if you autosource to a device while the TV is off and in Energy Saver mode, you do not have to wait for the westy logo, it goes straight to the input.

Wow, that's great news! I didn't have any time last night to play with the TV but will be able to tonight! I will be ecstatic if this fixes the problem! *knock on wood*

This brings up an interesting question IF this does indeed solve the ps3 hdmi issues.. I wonder how this input differs on the hdmi hub? It would definetly be a bug, but one I could surely live with.

For the people who have moved the ps3 onto HDMI1, do you now see flicker w/ your cable box over HDMI2-3? Just curious. Thanks.

EDIT: Sorry, can't read..

bewildered

07-31-07, 10:27 AM

Also, DO NOT force 24hz Blu-ray output on the PS3. The TV will show a picture, but you will get no sound and the "No Input Detected" box.

Nuff said

coreyjc1

07-31-07, 10:29 AM

jterp7

07-31-07, 10:35 AM

bhazard

07-31-07, 10:42 AM

I just picked up this set from BB. It is my first HDTV and works great, except for one thing - the audio from the set top speakers. I have searched this thread but can't find anything.

The audio is out of sync with the video (audio is heard a quarter second before the video is seen). Pretty annoying. This happens on the digital QAM channels as well as DVD (which is hooked up through composite).

Any one else with this issue? Do I need to pack this back up and return it?

- Corey

Throw the composite cables in the garbage and use either component or HDMI for your dvd player (or S-Video if you absolutely have to).

Play with the audio settings and the EQ, do a factory reset, and if all else fails, do the 10 second power reboot (hold power for 10-30 seconds until you see the W logo).

huggybear

07-31-07, 10:48 AM

i've occasionally had audio syncing problems with NBC HD, but thats usually fixed by changing the channel and coming back to it, i've run DVDs through component (PS2) and haven't experienced any sync issues there

jterp7 - exact same problem here... I never posted about it because it only happens with NBC so I doubt it has anything to do with the TX. Like you said, channeling up and down fixes it.

Would you happen to be in the RTP area?

flabioh

07-31-07, 10:50 AM

Thanks, I have read those posts. I guess I'm hoping those users will post their setup configurations. Perhaps I'm just expecting to much out of an LCD, but I say with certainty that it doesn't look good at all compared a 37" plasma, a 62" DLP, and a 27" old CRT.

Have you tried outputting the Wii at 480i instead of 480p? Others in this thread have reported that the image actually looks better because the TV's de-interlacer is better than the Wii's.

jterp7

07-31-07, 11:03 AM

jterp7 - exact same problem here... I never posted about it because it only happens with NBC so I doubt it has anything to do with the TX. Like you said, channeling up and down fixes it.

Would you happen to be in the RTP area?

Capital area

question for anyone who still has a ps2..in GT4 when trying to set it up for 16x9 or 1080i or even 480p, the screen ends up either with a funny look or in the case of 480p just looks plain crappy. Its strange because originally it worked at 1080i on my old 52 projection, but since then its always looked best 480i no matter the TV..its sounds almost like the ps2 doesn't do progressive or higher resolutions correctly

Xcalibur_255

07-31-07, 11:15 AM

Just bought the 42".

Tried HD OTA and it worked fine. I am pretty happy with the SD quality.

The only other thing I tried is PC/VGA. However, there seems to be a problem that I can't correct. I have an ATI X800. The TV is set as 2nd display @ 1080. Initially, it was fine for a few minutes. Then it started to flicker. The image will shake briefly or the screen will black out. Then it will come back to normal, sometimes with input shown. I've turned off Auto Source and the problem remains. If I changes the resolution to 1280x1024, it runs fine w/o a problem

I have not hooked up my dvd player yet.

Any idea on how to troubleshoot? Thanks!
If you get a stable image at lower resolutions then it's being caused by signal degradation over VGA. Did you try re-performing the auto-adjust at the tv's end first? In my own tests I experienced ghosting around text as a slight double image to the lower right in exactly the same way Benzonate (sp?) reported originally. VGA really struggles at 1920x1080 because of the frequency and in some cases getting a clear picture is almost impossible even with a good cable. Streaking and issues with pixel clock and phase are common above 1280x1024 with VGA.

bhazard

07-31-07, 11:23 AM

For the people who have moved the ps3 onto HDMI1, do you now see flicker w/ your cable box over HDMI2-3? Just curious. Thanks.

I'll check tonight

mrstumpy82

07-31-07, 11:24 AM

hey everyone,

I just got the TX-42F430S on July 22 and have already exchanged it twice. I've got the the cable plugged into the TV straight from the wall, I don't have a cable box. Here's the issue I'm having with the TV, I shut off the TV last night when I was on an analog channel when I got up this morning, I turned the TV on and attempted to change the channel but when I pressed the channel up button, the TV shutoff. Then I turned the TV back on and tried changing the channel again but it shutoff again. Third time, I turned the TV back on, changed the volume and then attempted to change the channel. When I pressed the channel up button, the sound got muted, the volume bar froze on the screen and wouldn't go away, the picture kept on going, the TV would not respond to the remote or the buttons on the side of the TV, the only thing I could do was hold down the Power Button on the TV to REBOOT the TV set. This was the same problem I had with the tv i got in the first exchange. I'm about to give up on this TV and get something else unless someone can give me a solution to it because Westinghouse has been no help at all other than telling me to exchange the TV.

Could it be that the cable is hooked up straight from the wall instead of going through a cable first?

Also the TV is plugged into a power strip, not sure if that has anything to do with it.

Thanks everyone.

askjeffro

07-31-07, 11:27 AM

Have you tried outputting the Wii at 480i instead of 480p? Others in this thread have reported that the image actually looks better because the TV's de-interlacer is better than the Wii's.

I have, and it offered a different picture, but not better or worse, just different. ie it had its own problems.

Tonight I'm going to try running it through composite cables (since I have them) and Svideo if need be to access if the processing of the TV or just the LCD itself. I recognize those cables have their own problems, but I must figure this out, the TV is to nice and good of deal to fail...

I'm not trying to be a downer, I do love the TV, its just I'm a Metroid Maniac and I must have a quality picture for the new game in August.

Mikeoz

07-31-07, 11:31 AM

Have you tried outputting the Wii at 480i instead of 480p? Others in this thread have reported that the image actually looks better because the TV's de-interlacer is better than the Wii's.

Why this occurs is VERY strange to me, and just to clarify, outputting 480i only looked better on select games, and the dashboard. For zelda, 480i looked worse. I'll explain why this doesn't make sense..

The Wii is basically a small computer, and computers compute full images = progressive. So, why some games (wii sports) look better at 480i rather than 480p makes me think that perhaps the programmers got lazy or there's a bug somewhere where the output for that game is not really determined by the dashboard setting. So, for Wii sports, the game outputs 480i, and the Wii console does the deinterlacing to 480p, which is not the way it should be. Zelda looks better at 480p (which it should, progresive has double the lines), which leads me to believe the game outputs 480p like it should, and there is no deinterlacing needed/done.

So, I've decided to leave my Wii at 480p. The fact that some games look better at 480i means that A. There was a screw up somewhere in the code B. The Wii's deinterlacer isn't that good. C. The Westy's deinterlacer is better than the Wii's. That doesn't necessarily make the Westy's image processing good, but it seems to be pretty solid imo. For video games the output should be progressive by nature, and the fact that some games look better at 480i than 480p is not normal.

askjeffro

07-31-07, 11:45 AM

Mikeoz,

Have you played Wii on another set? Is your image comprised of more blurry textures then what you have seen? Further, do you notice a lot of scan lines when playing?

bhazard

07-31-07, 11:49 AM

Smitty2k1

07-31-07, 11:53 AM

I'm buying the 42" tonight!! I hope they are still accepting the 10% off coupon... it expires today, the 31st! I'll let you guys know what I think! This will be my first ever HDTV purchase... ahh!

nieder2

07-31-07, 11:55 AM

Since the westy does a better than average job with SD and 480p content, i'm not sure you'll find a better lcd other than the olevias for SD content.

Are you using component cables? fill mode? 480i or 480p?

I picked up the westy last night because i wanted to do a side by side comparison to my vizio vu42LF 1080p. I have had the vizio for about a month and have been very happy with it but the price of the westy was too good to pass up. With tuning over QAM, my initial impression is that the SD content is better on the vizio. There is a considerable amount more of noise and artifacting on the SD of the westy. The local HD channels look great on both.

I haven't had time to read all through this thread, but some of it. Last night when i was watching CSI, 3 times the tv flickered out and then switched over to my computer display that was hooked up. I've read about this autosourcing thing but has anyone had anything similar happen? I had to press the "tv" button on the remote and it went back fine but it was strange it happened 3 times.

askjeffro

07-31-07, 11:55 AM

I'm buying the 42" tonight!! I hope they are still accepting the 10% off coupon... it expires today, the 31st! I'll let you guys know what I think! This will be my first ever HDTV purchase... ahh!

I got mine yesterday with no problem. TV total without tax was below $1000, $989 I think... Have fun!

coreyjc1

07-31-07, 12:06 PM

Throw the composite cables in the garbage and use either component or HDMI for your dvd player (or S-Video if you absolutely have to).

Play with the audio settings and the EQ, do a factory reset, and if all else fails, do the 10 second power reboot (hold power for 10-30 seconds until you see the W logo).

I tried all three suggestions. Thanks for the help. Still has a video lag compared to audio though.
I also have a few sparkles on the far left pixels. Perhaps a new set is in order. Definitely Westinghouse though - great picture, great price.

- Corey

bhazard

07-31-07, 12:10 PM

Mikeoz,

Have you played Wii on another set? Is your image comprised of more blurry textures then what you have seen? Further, do you notice a lot of scan lines when playing?

Does the Wii look anything like this for you? I think it looks pretty good.

Then again, there arent many jagged lines or polygons in this game.

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a124/bhazard/DSC00983.jpg

askjeffro

07-31-07, 12:13 PM

bhazard

07-31-07, 12:29 PM

That looks okay... Is the text blurry to you, or is that just the camera? Thanks for the picture by the way.

Okay, I need someone that is far more TV technical then I am; I found this VGA box that might fix my problem. I really am not sure if it would just be more of the same or not:
http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-13-71-de-49-en-70-245o.html

That box wont upconvert the Wii to 1080p. You'll need a high end audio receiver to do that.

I will say though, that VGA on this TV does display a nicer, clearer (less blurry) picture with less ghosting (little to none) than component. This may work for you.

mrstumpy82

07-31-07, 12:38 PM

Did you auto-scan for channels? Who is your Cable provider? I know of one instance that I believe Cox (not sure) caused memory overflows due to too many digital sub-channels (even over analog) which killed a Philips TV a few times until a tech found the problem.

I did do the autoscan for channels. With my first exchange, the TV actually froze with the same symptoms I described with the problems I'm having with the current unit. My cable provider is a local company named BELD.

Next, I'm gonna try using the TV with a cable box and see if that remedies any of this. Thanks.

jterp7

07-31-07, 12:55 PM

Does the Wii look anything like this for you? I think it looks pretty good.

Then again, there arent many jagged lines or polygons in this game.

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a124/bhazard/DSC00983.jpg

heh my bro had that game for 2hours and realized it wasn't for him...luckily someone bought it off him

are you using the fill in that picture?

wallybarthman

07-31-07, 01:20 PM

I picked up the westy last night because i wanted to do a side by side comparison to my vizio vu42LF 1080p. I have had the vizio for about a month and have been very happy with it but the price of the westy was too good to pass up. With tuning over QAM, my initial impression is that the SD content is better on the vizio. There is a considerable amount more of noise and artifacting on the SD of the westy. The local HD channels look great on both.

I haven't had time to read all through this thread, but some of it. Last night when i was watching CSI, 3 times the tv flickered out and then switched over to my computer display that was hooked up. I've read about this autosourcing thing but has anyone had anything similar happen? I had to press the "tv" button on the remote and it went back fine but it was strange it happened 3 times.

I have the older LVM-37w3 but it also has autosource. I never used to have a problem, until I got a new DVD Recorder. After I got that, it started auto-detecting the recorder doing something and would switch the source.

To a certain extent I don't think its Westinghouse's fault - it appears to be something that the individual source does that triggers it. I just turn autosource off.

roaf85

07-31-07, 01:43 PM

roaf85, use the 10% movers coupon to sweeten the deal! Quick! Expires tomorrow! http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=11157893&&#post11157893

I bought the TV on Sunday. I am operating on a really tight budget and might be able to afford the PSP before the 30 day period. I guess my brother has a 37w3 and my sister in law has the same TV for over a year with no problems.

I have not had any problems with this TV. Hell the only TV I had problems with was my parents Sony KP57w700 (a bad ass tv at the time) and that cost 700 in repairs and I even detect the convergence being off since it has been broken.

I guess I do not want to run into similar problems but at the same time 150 is roughly 15 percent of the cost of the TV. The flicker issue I have not encoutnered, but I am worried about everything going to hell. :( So confused.

Oh and it is because I read this forum I get so worried and at the same time most people will tell you the warranties arent worth it, but westinghouse doesnt sound like the best company to deal with :(

beefy6969

07-31-07, 01:50 PM

bhazard

07-31-07, 02:08 PM

I bought the TV on Sunday. I am operating on a really tight budget and might be able to afford the PSP before the 30 day period. I guess my brother has a 37w3 and my sister in law has the same TV for over a year with no problems.

I have not had any problems with this TV. Hell the only TV I had problems with was my parents Sony KP57w700 (a bad ass tv at the time) and that cost 700 in repairs and I even detect the convergence being off since it has been broken.

I guess I do not want to run into similar problems but at the same time 150 is roughly 15 percent of the cost of the TV. The flicker issue I have not encoutnered, but I am worried about everything going to hell. :( So confused.

Oh and it is because I read this forum I get so worried and at the same time most people will tell you the warranties arent worth it, but westinghouse doesnt sound like the best company to deal with :(

The warranty already saved my ass once. It is well worth it. If you had to actually ship the TV for repair, it would cost $150 alone.

roaf85

07-31-07, 02:19 PM

The warranty already saved my ass once. It is well worth it. If you had to actually ship the TV for repair, it would cost $150 alone.

Eh true, but if this set is so unrelible then why not spend the extra money for the phillps?

Also if they replace your TV with a comparble model, meaning it is unfixable, do you have to buy another PSP for that TV? Thanks

Lutch

07-31-07, 02:22 PM

The warranty already saved my ass once. It is well worth it. If you had to actually ship the TV for repair, it would cost $150 alone.

Yeah I agree, although my TV was replaced during the initial 30 return period, I felt that there have been enough issues with these TV's (HD TV's overall) that a mere $150 that would guarantee I would get a replacement for 4 years was well worth it. The other mitigating issue was that if the TV needed to be sent back to Westinghouse for repair it is on my dime, even during the warranty period I believe. With the extended warranty it is not an issue BB either fixes the TV, replaces it with a new one or after so many issues they offer to replace it with a matching spec unit. So in most instances I would NOT get an extended warranty, but I figured it's a safe bet in this circumstance.

foomp

07-31-07, 02:23 PM

Hi, I am now a proud member of the 42" TX club. I love this TV and everything about it except....THE ANNOYING FLICKERING when changing channels.

I'm suprised nobody really mentioned about it on this thread. Is this a common thing with other LCDs? Channel surfing seems to be quite slow too.

hi beefy! gratz on the new set :) I just got mine a day ago myself and posted about the flickering. i only get it when swiching to SD content not HD - is your flickering that specific? I guess the surfing is slow, but in actuality theres only about 7 channels i watch - so i usually enter the numbers directly.

roaf85

07-31-07, 02:24 PM

Yeah I agree, although my TV was replaced during the initial 30 return period, I felt that there have been enough issues with these TV's (HD TV's overall) that a mere $150 that would guarantee I would get a replacement for 4 years was well worth it. The other mitigating issue was that if the TV needed to be sent back to Westinghouse for repair it is on my dime, even during the warranty period I believe. With the extended warranty it is not an issue BB either fixes the TV, replaces it with a new one or after so many issues they offer to replace it with a matching spec unit. So in most instances I would NOT get an extended warranty, but I figured it's a safe bet in this circumstance.

I suppose 150 is roughly 15 percent of the total TV cost, but I will check my income in a couple of weeks and get the PSP before the end of the month.

huggybear

07-31-07, 02:40 PM

I did do the autoscan for channels. With my first exchange, the TV actually froze with the same symptoms I described with the problems I'm having with the current unit. My cable provider is a local company named BELD.

Next, I'm gonna try using the TV with a cable box and see if that remedies any of this. Thanks.

I'm with bhazard - my guess is that the set's firmware does not agree with something in your cable company's QAM stream.

A cable box will certainly alleviate the problem as the box will be doing the decoding and merely passing the video and audio to your set. You can also hook up an antenna to the set's RF input to pick up OTA channels in your area.

bhazard

07-31-07, 02:42 PM

Eh true, but if this set is so unrelible then why not spend the extra money for the phillps?

Also if they replace your TV with a comparble model, meaning it is unfixable, do you have to buy another PSP for that TV? Thanks

It wasn't the sets fault, my sister accidentally flung a Wii remote into the screen.

x84HurstOlds

07-31-07, 02:49 PM

yea i was just going to keep it in e.saver mode until the problem shows up again. but i don't want to kill my tv yet so i'll switch it to normal mode when i get home. thanks for the insight :).

yea it really sounds like a firmware problem that's (from pure speculation) probably derived from compatibility of components, among other things. i am hopeful that a firmware (if released) could/should fix this.

I had a set die from lockups, and I went with normal mode for a while, then I said to myself, "Self...what the f**k are you thinking?" ;) I refuse to NOT use E. Saver mode. I'm NOT going to burn 40 watts with the TV off (out of concern for both the environment and my electric bills - LCD is supposed to use LESS electricity, right?) and I'm NOT going to accept that being broken. I have the PSP, so if it dies, it dies - has some mura anyway. I have had "matrix screen" issues on sudden power loss, but it didn't seem to matter whether it was in E. Saver or normal mode. In any case, it's been a couple months now, and the set has survived.

Ed

Lutch

07-31-07, 02:52 PM

It wasn't the sets fault, my sister accidentally flung a Wii remote into the screen.

That was covered under the PSP warranty?

Emonroe

07-31-07, 03:02 PM

Is there an option to freeze a screen anywhere? I can't seem to find one...

bhazard

07-31-07, 03:19 PM

That was covered under the PSP warranty?

Not really, but since the set would not power up there was/is no way of knowing the cause of it. Maybe it wasnt from the remote, maybe it was a hardware bug, you don't really know for sure.

x84HurstOlds

07-31-07, 03:33 PM

100%=297 Watts
90%=270 Watts
80%=243 Watts
70%=216 Watts
60%=189 Watts
50%=162 Watts
40%=144 Watts
30%=117 Watts
20%=99 Watts
10%=81 Watts
0%=63 Watts
NIS=45 Watts
Amber=DNR on CyberPower 1500LCD UPS

I am catching up on this thread going backwards...anyway, this may explain why I don't notice the heat so much, I keep my backlight around 20. Add to that, my wife likes it freakin' cold in the house, and with her various ailments and two kids with asthma, I don't argue about it. Well, once in a while. :rolleyes:

Ed

Lutch

07-31-07, 03:35 PM

Not really, but since the set would not power up there was/is no way of knowing the cause of it. Maybe it wasnt from the remote, maybe it was a hardware bug, you don't really know for sure.

;) Sure, blame it on the startup issues.

kentondb

07-31-07, 08:15 PM

Are people suggesting that if you do not use E.Saver your TV will not brick, as they say?

bhazard

07-31-07, 08:17 PM

I dont think E. Saver works on my tv. Isnt the W logo supposed to show every time you turn the TV on with it on?

cheerful

07-31-07, 09:08 PM

This was a painful. After over 30 reboots trying different drivers and settings, I've finally settled with the CCC 6.5. No other versions work properly -- mostly flickers but sometimes aspect ratio was wrong no matter how I force it. With CCC 6.5, aspect ratio is right. However, I can't run full-screen video on second display. If I try, the flicker will start. The only way to fix is to uninstall and then reinstall.

The good news is that it's working at 1920x1080 @ 75Hz. Now I can start to test it.

My TV was built on Jun 26, 2007, software version 5112_1.3.0 Not sure this is a new firmware.

I've observed no dead pixels.

I am using http://tft.vanity.dk/ to look for various things but I am not that experience. Turned of dynamic contrast and backlight. Did not see much problem in terms of banding. There is some clouding but kind of all over the place -- maybe that's the lack of dark deep black. So far so good.

Geetar

07-31-07, 09:35 PM

flabioh

07-31-07, 09:40 PM

Oh my god. I'm not bashing westy at all, but this particular TV - Lots and lots of problems. I don't have this TV, but I almost bought it today. I returned my vizio vu42lf and went to BBY. I changed the channels on the display set and definately noticed some major flickering. The HD feed looked great, but once I changed the channels (and saw some SD) it all went to hell. Each channel seemed like it had to find its picture or something, the screen went darker then brighter, etc.

Just reading all the people that have gone through several of these sets and those that are debating on returning it within their 30 days certainly allows me to be comfortable with passing on this deal. Heck, I might try the insignia 720p for around 700-800.

Is the westy being replaced by a different model, does anyone know?

I'm sorry your experience with the TV was not what you were expecting (although it seems your only complaint is that it takes time to switch channels). I am one of the MANY people in this thread that are perfectly happy with their sets. It would take a Wii controller thrown into the set for me to take it back. :)

This is the newest Westy Model and isn't going to be replaced anytime soon.

Good luck with the Insignia 720p... it won't be able to hold a candle to this TV.

cheerful

07-31-07, 09:45 PM

The SD scaling look very decent. I've chosen to surf digital channels only. However, when it boots up, it will go to Channel 2, which I believe is analog (a lot of statics). How could I set it to, say 2.1?

The antenna can pull in 13 channels. However, I am quite confused with EPG. The manual stated

You have the option of looking at:
• “Present EPG”—includes current channel, program name and description,
along with programming titles, start and end times for all available minor
channels from the same broadcaster
• “Daily EPG”—includes current programming name and description, plus
upcoming programming titles with start and end times

The EPG also provides:

• Date and time information
• Power use and signal quality

I seems to only have one view, which is different from the manual. It's channel listing at the top as tabs. I can only choose one tab at a time, which means viewing listing for one channel at a time. There is no present EPG view -- I would think it's like the TV Guide channel view.

In addition, it does not have much event listing. Only the channel I am viewing is available. Go to different channel tab show empty events.

Is this function not available over tha air? Or am I missing something here?

Thanks!

Geetar

07-31-07, 09:47 PM

I'm sorry your experience with the TV was not what you were expecting (although it seems your only complaint is that it takes time to switch channels). I am one of the MANY people in this thread that are perfectly happy with their sets. It would take a Wii controller thrown into the set for me to take it back. :)

This is the newest Westy Model and isn't going to be replaced anytime soon.

Good luck with the Insignia 720p... it won't be able to hold a candle to this TV.

No, I'm sure the Insignia doesn't compare at all. I am curious if anyone has experience with them.

So, do you have any problems with your set at all? Flickering, lockups, freezing? How does your SD look? I need to hear something from someone that hasn't had problems, because really, there are A LOT of posts indicating problems.

tokiidokii

07-31-07, 09:52 PM

man this tv...

i love it!

i had the 2 lockups a couple of days ago but now, i'm still running with e.saver/auto-source on and no problems (damn gotta remember to knock on wood this time lol). tv is still about 1.5 weeks old so we'll see how the upcoming days/weeks/months go. still keeping an eye out for the other known bugs/problems. will keep you guys posted if things happen and stuff.

No, I'm sure the Insignia doesn't compare at all. I am curious if anyone has experience with them.

So, do you have any problems with your set at all? Flickering, lockups, freezing? How does your SD look? I need to hear something from someone that hasn't had problems, because really, there are A LOT of posts indicating problems.
oh i didn't see this post. well i guess i can say i haven't had any major problems at all. no flickering etc. the only problem i had was those 2 lock ups with e.saver. but it might have been some kind of fluke. i was going to experiment with stuff to see if i could possibly reproduce the lock ups but no win for me. anyway, i am very happy with the tv :D

also, remember these sets are about 2-3 months old. so do expect the early production to have some bugs. although seriously, companies need to tighten up on QC anyway. it's not fair that the consumers need to do their bug/glitch research for them hehe

sweh

07-31-07, 10:08 PM

I'm a relative newbie when it comes to configuring TVs. Heck, until Jul 3rd I was still using a good ol' 27" CRT. That's when I got my 42F430S. Immediately it showed up deficiencies in my DVD player so I got an Oppo 970HD. Today I got my Digital Video Essentials DVD and played with this.

The Oppo is set to output in 1080i, connected to HDMI1. (I didn't see any real difference if using 720p).

Since this is an SD source being upconverted I'm not sure just how useful the "sharpness" test is.

Two things showed up strongly. Firstly the black level value isn't consistent. Setting black on a low intensity PLUGE image and then switching to a high intensity image shows that black changes level. This definitely showed up in some of the "flashing" test screens later in the disk; the black level bars would fade in and out as the picture intensity changes.

The second is that "green" appears to be distorted (blue and red look just fine through the filters, but green is definitely off). With the temperature set to "warm" the green was _less_ bad, but it was still wrong. However, to my eye, the picture looks better when the temperature is set to neutral. I'm probably wrong, but then this is subjective to a degree :-)

So... I set contrast and brightness using the SMTPE image then set the saturation/hue from their modified colour test pattern.

This actually resulted in higher contrast, lower brightness settings than if I tried to set it from the PLUGE itself and a lower backlight because the overall image picture appeared brighter.

Results:
Brightness=47
Contrast=80
Saturation=58
Hue=55
Sharpness=18
Backlight=30

Other issue... I can't seem to get 5.1 audio out of it. First I tried connecting the DVD player (via HDMI) to the TV and then optical from the TV to my Technics receiver. Whilst there appeared to be surround sound, it wasn't being registered as 5.1 on the receiver. A direct connection from the player to the receiver showed proper 5.1 audio. Similarly, ATSC broadcasts didn't register as 5.1 on the receiver, even though the surround speakers were active. I'm not sure where the issue is there.

For OTA I also see "data" in the top line on some channels. Not sure if this is the receiver not processing the HD signal properly, or the broadcaster sending out of spec. Didn't spot anything conclusive in this thread, either way. And, of course, the purple line, which can be defeated by interlace setting _or_ by switching aspect ratios around (the line appears sometimes when the channel summary box appears; switching aspect ratios through fill/overscan/normal gets rid of it).

In all other respects the unit appears to work fine; no power up issues, no broken pixels.

All in all I'm happy with this TV. May still need to do more fine tuning of the picture. But so far so good.

sweh

07-31-07, 10:20 PM

Oh I meant to add something about viewing angle. It's actually quite impressive... if you are exactly in line in the X or Y axis. So with your head at TV level you can move quite a long way from side to side. Similarly with your head at the middle you can go up and down.

BUT... it's pretty bad if you go off-axis. If you stand up to walk into the kitchen to get a beer then as you walk past the picture washes out pretty quickly because you go off-axis in both directions. This isn't a problem for those sitting down, so it's a minor issue for me.

disbthai

07-31-07, 10:21 PM

Anyone else having problems with heat coming from the TV? It seems to draw alot of heat.

Mikeoz

07-31-07, 10:27 PM

YEEHAW! Switched to HDMI1 for the ps3 and zero flickering when watching 300 on the ps3! :D *knock on wood* Regardless what the explanation is, I didn't get one flicker during the movie which is a huge difference before. I'll post back in another week regarding whether I'm getting any flickering or not but the ps3 on HDMI1 seems to do the trick.

I moved my dvr to HDMI2 and didn't notice any flickering so perhaps there is some extra latency on hdmi2-4 which the ps3 is very sensitive to? Either way if moving the ps3 to HDMI1 fixed the flickering/drop-out problem I will be very happy.

Anyone experiencing flickering w/ the ps3 I suggest using the HDMI1 input!

I don't notice any more heat than normal from this lcd. I haven't bothered to connect the TV to my kill-a-watt meter but I trust what a previous poster said about the power figures. I run the backlight at 10-20, so the slight heat seems perfectly normal. People who are using a backlight >50 might want to consider turning it down. If you want to feel heat, put your hand behind a plasma..

bhazard

07-31-07, 10:31 PM

Other issue... I can't seem to get 5.1 audio out of it.

Your devices' audio settings must have either HDMI/Passthrough or manual modes set in order to send 5.1 through the TV. A good example is how you have to manually check 5.1 and dts in the PS3 audio settings over HDMI. Automatic settings wont work.

bhazard

07-31-07, 10:35 PM

tokiidokii

07-31-07, 10:39 PM

I think we found the workaround for flickering PS3s/HD-DVD players finally. My cable box does not flicker on HDMI2 either.

We should compile a list of bugs and workarounds, but this is great news and I can verify it as well. No flicker or dropouts in two days.
certainly a great news for those people who has the flickering problem. they can try this as see if it fixes it for them. i guess for me, i can thank my slight OCD problem since i just had to have my ps3 hooked up to HDMI 1 from the very beginning lol

and one more thing... 300 on blu-ray... rocks!

lol oh quick edit. i went to that techspeak and i said something about the e.saver lock up and flickering problems i've read here on avsforum. i then asked if they will provide a firmware in the near future for consumers to install themselves. here's the reply i got tonight... probably a generic one but i dunno, might be amusing to some of you :p

Thank you for your inquiry. Currently, we do not have an upgrade
available for this unit. If we notice a trend, this may be something we
will do in the future. Please call us at the number below if you
consistantly receive issues with your unit.

If you have any further questions, you may contact us through email, or
by calling us toll-free at 1-866-287-5555, between 9am and 9pm Eastern
Standard Time, Monday through Saturday. One of our technicians will
assist you.

Westinghouse Digital Support Staff

Mikeoz

07-31-07, 10:48 PM

Here's a screenshot, probably could've picked a better shot. :p
http://www.we-todd-did-racing.com/files/1025106_x07rh/IMG_0013.JPG

This shot is darker than in person and doesn't do it justice. Colors are pretty close as well, although w/o comparing the two side by side I'm just doing it from memory.

I have autosource turned off and E.Saver on (hate wasting electricity). I don't use the internal speakers at all and am fortunate to never have a power lockup. *knock on wood*

cheerful

07-31-07, 10:56 PM

codymaher

08-01-07, 12:24 AM

I went to buy it today and use the 10% off coupon but they were sold out and i will not be able to get this TV till Saturday so does anyone have another coupon because the old one expired yesterday. Please give me the heads up. I have to get the best deal i can get.

beefy6969

08-01-07, 02:50 AM

hi beefy! gratz on the new set :) I just got mine a day ago myself and posted about the flickering. i only get it when swiching to SD content not HD - is your flickering that specific? I guess the surfing is slow, but in actuality theres only about 7 channels i watch - so i usually enter the numbers directly.

Yes, the flickering while changing channels still bothers me. It looks like a blink, but its VERY annoying. :mad: Sorry if this is a common occurance, but i'm just not used to it. :rolleyes:

Also, I found out another problem. :eek:
After a cold start-up, i can see a picture on the screen but do not get volume. I cannot hear anything! :confused: Dead silence until i change to another channel, then I finally hear the volume. This is another annoyance with this set!! Besides these annoyance, I love the TV to death!

Does anyone concur? Or am I insane? :confused:

**Update** Start-up volume problem got solved by itself somehow. Works great now!

Woobieizer

08-01-07, 05:17 AM

Heres Whats NEW This is a work in progress....
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This is the HOT LIST of known "Multi User" Issues.. Thanks for the list. Please update as necessary
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Working on submissions for ATI fix on Hold-Need Confirm
Catalyst 7.7 w/
Figured out ATI..Had two settings:

Reduce DVI frequency on high-resolution displays
Alternate DVI operational mode

I turned em both off and it worked :)
Can this be Confirmed by other members?
EPG channel guide.. question The issue Post 2223 cheerful (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=11180579&&#post11180579) EPG (Electronic Program Guide) Lists all station you have scanned, minus thoes you have check off to ignore, but will only display "Guide info" on the current station being viewed 'within digital broadcasting family'. Please Help. w/ OTA EPG

It is all very overwhelming to see such a long thread, yet all you need is just a "Thread Search" away. Do your research, know your budge, know thyself.

Suggested Reading for Seeing/Doing/Running a TX via HDMI-1>PC (The unofficial abridged version)

Post 2 huggybear Initial Impression (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=10620158&&#post10620158)
Post 22 BENZONATE Side by Side Compare - TX vrs LVM (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=10626898&&#post10626898)
Post 77 BENZONATE Extream in your face - TX vrs LVM (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=10633926&&#post10633926)
Post 1530 protovision Fix for ATI Video card "Underscan" (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=11014234&&#post11014234)
Post 1410 imit8 Overview Multi Machine (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=10978529&&#post10978529)
Post 1727 bhazard Troubleshooting Tip (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=11071069&&#post11071069)
Post 1790 bhazard PS3 Audio Setting (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=11088233&&#post11088233)
Post 2046 Xcalibur_255 Getting Started with Color/Contrast/The Works (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=11140903&&#post11140903)
Post 1758 flabioh Cool Rationale (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=11081674&&#post11081674)
Post 2075 bhazard First Stop Fix Hosed Display Problems (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=11152996&&#post11152996)
Post 1849 Woobieizer Troubleshooting Hosed Display Long Version (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=11092294&&#post11092294)
Post 2051 Woobieizer Power/Backlight/BTU'Heat (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=11144991&&#post11144991)

Indulge yourself in the manna of information. :) We are here to post information regarding our experience. The Good, :) The Bad, :eek: And The Ugly. :mad:

Using NVidia? Got ATI to work? Great Get the most from your display. LCDTest Basic Kit (http://hdguru.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/tips-on-buying-a-new-flat-panel-tv.pdf)
Get yourselves a Titan TV free subscription (http://www.titantv.com/index.aspx) . List Cable, Satellite, Digital, OVT TV listings by your zipcode see Screenshot.
Post 1 Andy.S.Lee Using Google Earth to Visulize OTA RF (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=10061605&&#post10061605)

Many subscribers doing all they can to make the HDTV bend the corners and fit into there lifestyle. Keep up the testing and don't forget that Westinghouse made it so only they can fix it.

Woobieizer

08-01-07, 05:31 AM

certainly a great news for those people who has the flickering problem. they can try this as see if it fixes it for them. i guess for me, i can thank my slight OCD problem since i just had to have my ps3 hooked up to HDMI 1 from the very beginning lol

and one more thing... 300 on blu-ray... rocks!

lol oh quick edit. i went to that techspeak and i said something about the e.saver lock up and flickering problems i've read here on avsforum. i then asked if they will provide a firmware in the near future for consumers to install themselves. here's the reply i got tonight... probably a generic one but i dunno, might be amusing to some of you :p
Thank you for your inquiry. Currently, we do not have an upgrade
available for this unit. If we notice a trend, this may be something we
will do in the future. Please call us at the number below if you
consistantly receive issues with your unit.

If you have any further questions, you may contact us through email, or
by calling us toll-free at 1-866-287-5555, between 9am and 9pm Eastern
Standard Time, Monday through Saturday. One of our technicians will
assist you.
Westinghouse Digital Support Staff

Contact Westinghouse CS (http://www.westinghousedigital.com/contactus.aspx)

Read and Compose Comment to Westinghouse Techspeak (http://www.westinghousedigital.com/techspeak.aspx)

Westinghouse Digital Product Registration (http://www.westinghousedigital.com/registration.aspx)

Use every resource avail. to get your questions answered to your satisfaction.

Woobieizer

08-01-07, 05:44 AM

As soon as I find a Guru Stateman, I will post a URL to download a PDF form with a "Known to be Relavant Issues List". This form will have blanks for the user to enter their Name, Model, Firmware Version, Serial Number, Date Purchased, Place of Purchase, Type of Warranty, and the list of our combined user confirmed list of issues. This will become another means of contacting Westinghouse (via snailmail) to voice ourselves. Hopefully, there will be a Consumer Group testing the product family to help isolate/confirm what we have already found.

Regards TX Users!

cosmichippo

08-01-07, 06:32 AM

Hello all,

Been reading this thread for a while now. Purchased the TX-47F430S from Best Buy a couple of weeks ago.

Overall have been pretty satisfied. This is our 1st HDTV of any kind.

The black levels leave quite bit to be desired and have had lots of issues with audio sync from TWC HDTV via a Scientific Atlanta HD8300 set top box via HDMI. Often the audio is ahead of the video or we get ridiculous amounts of audio drop outs. this can usually be fixed by switching to a live SD channel for a few seconds and seems to occur more often when playing back material from the DVR. Is this what people are describing as "studdering"? I have not been using the power save mode.

Have also had a few instances where the middle of the screen, the 4:3 are will go black and sometimes freeze this way. The areas on either side of the 4:3 area are still visible and the audio is still present unless it freezes. This is also repaired by switching channels briefly. I think that this is most likely a cable STB issue but can't be sure as the box was aquired when we got the TV.

Over have been very pleased with SD on this display except on the channels that are still set out analog from the cableco and are worse when it is a widescreen program that is zoomed to overscan to fill the screen by the TV. Mainly noise issues which is to be expected with analog cable and zooming I guess.

Anyway, what I started this post about was to let everyone know that I spoke with Robert Heron at PCMag/DLTV Tues and he has the TX-47 in the lab right now and has a review to be posted soon.

Please wait for his complete, official review.

This a great, very informative review. Lets keep the info flowing. I am also for the user issue form idea and passing the data along to Westinghouse to persuade them to address the issue that we have all discovered.

Mike

flabioh

08-01-07, 06:41 AM

No, I'm sure the Insignia doesn't compare at all. I am curious if anyone has experience with them.

So, do you have any problems with your set at all? Flickering, lockups, freezing? How does your SD look? I need to hear something from someone that hasn't had problems, because really, there are A LOT of posts indicating problems.

The only problem I have with my set is a slight light leakage on the left side of the panel which I can only see at night in really dark scenes (unless I turn the backlight up to 100).

Other than that I am seriously 100% satisfied with the TV. I have owned the TV for well over a month and have never had the TV lockup. I have never had any flickering but I also do not own and HDMI devices. The SD looks okay. Initially it was a shock going from a 20" CRT to this but I try and avoid SD material like the plague anyway. My kids can't tell the difference yet anyway and they watch the most SD material in the house.

95% of my usage of the TV is used with an HTPC and going from a 20" CRT using a blurry 1024x768 s-video image to a 42" widescreen 1920x1080 image using VGA is a mind blowing leap in quality.

All this at a fraction of the price that all the other suckers are paying for their TVs and I'm one happy dude.

Woobieizer

08-01-07, 06:49 AM

Woobieizer

08-01-07, 07:07 AM

..I see the route this is heading and I do not want to become someone so wrapped up flogging people, yet I may be in the market one day for, Xbox, PS3, DVR, DTV, and as such I would like to know the item will work...

Keep this in mind. An HDTV "Mean Replacement Time Period", may be longer than an instance of complacent satisfaction.

Lutch

08-01-07, 08:17 AM

I have the Mura & Flashlight issues as well. I have some flashlights in the upper left corner and lower left and it is enough for me to almost want to take the unit back, but after watching a movie last night I've noticed something, the flashlights were practically gone by the end of the movie! They are REALLY noticeable at startup, but not so much after some use.

I've noticed a dropout of the sound at startup as well, I think this is an issue of the order in which the units are turned on. I have to do some testing first and post it here.

I'm also getting popping in the speakers when changing channels from Analog to Analog and from Digital to Analog. This just started up recently. It's strange, but I think I can live with it, since I LOVE this TV and for under $1K I love it more :) .

cheerful

08-01-07, 08:38 AM

Heres Whats NEW This is a work in progress....
EPG channel guide.. question The issue Post 2223 cheerful (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=11180579&&#post11180579) EPG (Electronic Program Guide) Lists all station you have scanned, minus thoes you have check off to ignore, but will only display "Guide info" on the current station being viewed 'within digital broadcasting family'. Please Confirm your OTA EPG

Thanks for putting them together. Do you mean this the right behavior and there is only one view? Maybe I am just confused by the manual.

I also have problem with one HDMI port: no audio and 480p only (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=11181127&&#post11181127)

cheerful

08-01-07, 09:20 AM

Now I think I have a real problem. I am using the new Philips 5982 and test out HDMI inputs. All of them work fine except HDMI 2. There is no audio and I can't change it from 480p. I wonder if this can be fixed somehow without replacing it. Has anyone seen similar problem?

Tried various upconverting from this player. The upscaling of the TV looks pretty good. Now I am wondering if I really need the upconverting player.

Talked to Westy support. They told me this might be a wiring problem and I might have to replace it. I am a bit worried the replacement might have other flaws. I don't really need 4 HDMI ports right now and I have the 4 year PSP from BB. Is it better for me just to leave it for now and contact BB PSP when I need it?

mrstumpy82

08-01-07, 09:45 AM

I'm with bhazard - my guess is that the set's firmware does not agree with something in your cable company's QAM stream.

A cable box will certainly alleviate the problem as the box will be doing the decoding and merely passing the video and audio to your set. You can also hook up an antenna to the set's RF input to pick up OTA channels in your area.

Ok....I'm done dealing with Westinghouse....So plugged the cale box into the TV hoping it would remedy the problems I've been having...well guess what it hasn't...the cable box was hooked up to the TV with component cables, i believe that's what they're called (there's a total of 5 wires, 2 for sound and 3 for audio)....well about 20 minutes into watching an HD channel, I was unable to use the remote or any of the buttons on the side of the TV...How can this be????

I thought TV's are ready to go right out of the box without needing the consumer having to deal with issues like these. The TV is over $1000 and you'd expect to get some quality with it...this was the second replacement!!! So I've gotten 3 TV's with problems. Not sure if it's a compatibility issue with the cable provider but should that even be an issue.

Well I'm fed up and decided to go with a different TV set even if that means paying several hundred more. Thanks for the help guys and hope everyone has better luck with their TVs.

Lutch

08-01-07, 09:45 AM

Talked to Westy support. They told me this might be a wiring problem and I might have to replace it. I am a bit worried the replacement might have other flaws. I don't really need 4 HDMI ports right now and I have the 4 year PSP from BB. Is it better for me just to leave it for now and contact BB PSP when I need it?

This is kind of the thinking I've been using for now. The minor issues that I can live with now that I may not be able to live with later can be used as a warranty issue later to get the unit replaced or repaired. Now will I want to do that later? That all depends upon the issuance of new firmware or build dates that aren't as problematic with newer units. If they start producing products with better QC later then I may call BB to repair the unit, hopefully they would have updated the issues by then. Kind of using the deficiencies that I can live with as an ace-in-the-hole for later.

The manufacturer's that are thriving seem to be the ones that give out firmware updates and are constantly attempting to make the unit work with everything out there as it really should. We are in a new age of connectors, TV's, players, copyright protections etc. What used to be plug and play now needs to be updated constantly to be sure it runs correctly. Like Sony is doing with the PS3. There are so many new devices out there that are not simply hooked up via composit cables and it will work, they now need to "hand shake".