Here are the tests done by the dutch.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=rlQYkaXv8RU
http://youtube.com/watch?v=dQSNmpXdIfQ
http://youtube.com/watch?v=513I87Evjuw&mode=related&search=

MS is still not acknowledging the problem.

Don't even need to look at it, my guess is somewhere along the line most owners know it can happen. You can hear it, then you can pull it out and then you can see it. I doubt it was the Keebler Elve's doing it.

And here I thought it was just me. It almost completely ruined my Star Wars 2 Lego game disc.

I have had one disc scratch up, and you know how!? by moving the console while the disc was spinning. Something that was clearly addressed in the manual that I failed to read.

Yet another garbage thread by homy.

If you watch the video you will see disks getting scratched despite the console never being moved.

I have had one disc scratch up, and you know how!? by moving the console while the disc was spinning. Something that was clearly addressed in the manual that I failed to read.

Yet another garbage thread by homy.


The scratches left by moving it with a disc in there and the ones caused by the Xbox itself are not even close to the same type of scratch. This thread is not garbage.

I have had one disc scratch up, and you know how!? by moving the console while the disc was spinning. Something that was clearly addressed in the manual that I failed to read.

Yet another garbage thread by homy.


LOL, try watching before making an, well you know.. Try to stay on topic and keep your garbage posts out.

The first video is really good and explains why it scratches the disk.. I guess the rubber was to much to warrant..

You can attribute certain issues with any console (discs not reading on PS2's, PS3 controller not responding) and to those that are affected, it's certainly a major issue but in the overall perspective, they ARE acceptable failure rates. Be it a bad batch, a certain hardware vendor or a manufacturing process at a certain plant, the issues, on a whole are minor. So to sensationalize it as if disc after disc on console after console is getting scratched just by putting it in the console is creating fud.

Of course, people nowadays love sensationalism and thrive off any negative news. Out of the 15+ people I know with 360, not one has experienced this issue (aside for my obvious mistake). Can't say the same for the 3red rings issue. And infact, that is certainly a knock on the 360 that I suppot and let friends be aware of before they make a purchase.

Nope! Sorry Robert. They are right to complain. They paid for it and it has a malfunction. Mine did the same so stop whining about other peoples legitimate complaints.

One of the unfortunate things that I see because of M$ cutting corners in hardware is that you see this damage all the time when renting games. If 1 out of 10 machines are doing this I get damaged game after damaged game sent to me. One out of every 10 games I get isn't damaged.

OH lord! something else to bitch about. I guess its time to address with all CD/DVDROM/DVDR/RW/BR/HDDVD drives. Same technology used for years.

Give me a F'n break already.

JData this is acutely a known problem with the Xbox 360 ,and is causeing people to lose there games.So do youreself and this whole community a favor and shut the F up.

Also this seems to happen alot to GoW and Call of Duty 3, alomost everyone I've talked to has a circular mark on those discs,but most of them are still playable.

I acutely returned call of duty 3 , 2 times and both times it imprinted the circular mark they have in that video.

That slight circle on the GOW disk is from the factory. If you happen to get a hold of another new one. Hold it up to the light. Trust me. You will see it. Both copies of my GOW had that circular scratch from the factory.

JData this is acutely a known problem with the Xbox 360 ,and is causeing people to lose there games.So do youreself and this whole community a favor and shut the F up.

Also this seems to happen alot to GoW and Call of Duty 3, alomost everyone I've talked to has a circular mark on those discs,but most of them are still playable.

I acutely returned call of duty 3 , 2 times and both times it imprinted the circular mark they have in that video.

Wrong,I personaly have returned GoW,and have looked at the disk that I bought at gamestop. It had absolutely no circular marks on it at all. After 30 minutes in a very secure Xbox 360 in a horizontal positon, it had a large circular mark burnt into it.

My friends xbox did the same exact thing when he returned GoW. Don't give me the conspiracy BS ,it just ain't cutting it anymore.

my guitar hero 2 disc scratched the other day (console is horizontal) for no apparent reason. luckily i havent had any dirty disc errors or anything with it, hopefully it's not affected.

Dang, anyone who denies that this is an issue really needs to sit and be quite and listen to all of the complaints out there...I play my friend's 360 a lot at his place (I don't actually own one) and right in the middle of Gears the machine froze. Restarted it, opened it up, and there was the circle scratched on the disk. In the end, the system had to be pretty much trashed, wouldn't play a single game without maiming the disc in 5 seconds.

Not really sure how this could even happen considering the DVD drive is still the same technology used for the last 10 years now. I have yet to have one of my 20+ games scratched by my 360, not have I ever had a disc scratched by any CD or DVD drive in my life.

Im not wrong. I bought 2 new GOW disks. One online from ebgames.com and the other at an actual wal-mart store. Both had a light circular scratch in the middle brand new. Its never affected my gameplay with either disk. Out of all the games I own. Mine being a launch console. Both GOW disks have been scratched to all hell. Just the other day I got a disk read error. Cleaned off the disk. And its been working again.

Wrong,I personaly have returned GoW,and have looked at the disk that I bought at gamestop. It had absolutely no circular marks on it at all. After 30 minutes in a very secure Xbox 360 in a horizontal positon, it had a large circular mark burnt into it.

My friends xbox did the same exact thing when he returned GoW. Don't give me the conspiracy BS ,it just ain't cutting it anymore.

I have had one disc scratch up, and you know how!? by moving the console while the disc was spinning. Something that was clearly addressed in the manual that I failed to read.

Yet another garbage thread by homy.

It can happen without moving it to, mine has never moved and has a ocassional strange behavoir. Never completely ruined it but I have a few scuffs on a couple/few games due to it. I have no clue why this happens with this unit, I don't recall it happening on any other drive I've ever owned.

Of course, people nowadays love sensationalism and thrive off any negative news. Out of the 15+ people I know with 360, not one has experienced this issue (aside for my obvious mistake)..

It could easily be missed by people. Since most of us here are hyper sensitive to electronics we pick up on this much easier. For example my son completely didn't notice the strange noise when it did it to one disc. I knew whatever that noise was, wasn't a good thing.

i forgot to mention, this also happened to a TDU disc i had, and was unplayable, i took it back to walmart and they let me do an even exchange.

i was going to lie to them, but before i said anything she said they have had a few returns like that and "with a scratch that perfectly circle, theres no way you did that"

im very careful with my games and hvae never had a disk break on me ever. ive been playing since the atari and still have not had a game break of get screwed up on me. as soon as im done with a game it either goes right back into the box of stays in the console. i never lend out games and dont let anyone touch my console but me (long story).

the reason im saying all this is i noticed my gears of war has a crack on the inner edge of center hole. its not the normal crack like someone bent it the wrong way. it was just odd how i saw the game the night before and it had not cracks and i inspected it to make sure there wasnt (wierd coincidence it was late and i didnt know if i should play graw or gow and i happen to see scratches on graw which i just bought recently and it wasnt used). then i immedietly put it into the system. well the next morning it wouldnt play so i took out g.o.w. and it had this funny crack i would talking about earlier.

i dont know if the system cracked it but it definetly wasnt there the night before and it went straight into the system after my inspection. hope this isnt the start of something from my 360.

Dang, anyone who denies that this is an issue really needs to sit and be quite and listen to all of the complaints out there...I play my friend's 360 a lot at his place (I don't actually own one) and right in the middle of Gears the machine froze. Restarted it, opened it up, and there was the circle scratched on the disk. In the end, the system had to be pretty much trashed, wouldn't play a single game without maiming the disc in 5 seconds.


Why? this forum does not represent even .1% of 360 owners.
You don't even own a 360. sorry about your friends case, if thats really true.

Like that test says, less than 1% of the 360's made in 06 have this problem.
The majority of the scratched disks are from the obvious, jerking the controller cord, pushing the power off button to hard while it's reading the disk or physically moving the console while a disk is spinning. Not the 360's lack of rubber spacers in its DVD rom.
Just like every other CD based device, you just have to use care. CD media is fragile.. duh.

I wouldn't let little kids play my 360 without me setting it up for them.
I have a launch console and so do 3 of my friends, all are working fine without a scratch.
I've bumped into my gamecube accidentally and noticed a scratch on the disk when I swapped games.
like I said you just have to be careful. Its not an epidemic like some like to plaster all over public forums like this to try and sway people to not buy a 360 or PS3.

This is there obvious agenda. The bitching and whining to the extent seen here is ridiculous. There is a sticky general problem thread to complain in and warrantys are available.
I do realize some of the 360's really are scratching disks and I feel bad for there owners, but like I said its not nothing new for any CD based player to have quality controll let through misalighned lenses ect, thats your .6% or whatever.
The real issue with problem 360's is overheating not this.

Knock on wood but I have never scratched a disc... :eek:

This is there obvious agenda. The bitching and whining to the extent seen here is ridiculous. There is a sticky general problem thread to complain in and warrantys are available.
I do realize some of the 360's really are scratching disks and I feel bad for there owners, but like I said its not nothing new for any CD based player to have quality controll let through misalighned lenses ect, thats your .6% or whatever.
The real issue with problem 360's is overheating not this.



I'm sorry I don't believe this line of BS. Its same kind of drivel people used to come up with to deny the fact that a large amont of 360's 3 ring.

Back then people would say the same sh!t about its only you,and its only a small percentage of the acutel hardware run. Give me a break

If you watch that video they explain why this is happening, on the DVD drives theres supposed to be some kind of disc cushioning that is availble in all other DVD drives,but it absent in a large amount of DVD on 360's.

MS should be banned for drive design "modding"... ;)

To note I wouldn't base anything percentage wise on the 360 by AVS, I will use the data here and then take it to say hmmm the actual home-site for the 360 to collaborate against. And there you will find that the issue of scratched disks is very apparent and noted there many more times over there then here, like it should be if real. I guess what I’m seeing here is some people don’t want to accept this, fine but from the other side of this I’m seeing people simply telling it like it is for them. The point of this is to get a possible answer on the issue, maybe a trick, maybe something from MS in terms of words or a design change. Anyone trying to get in the way of this message imo is flagging themselves as a possible shill. A person that hasn’t seen this imo can simply reply, "mine’s been working great never had one problem wit this". But those trying to keep this quite, saying why post this etc, that’s anti-forum imo.

Wrong,I personaly have returned GoW,and have looked at the disk that I bought at gamestop. It had absolutely no circular marks on it at all. After 30 minutes in a very secure Xbox 360 in a horizontal positon, it had a large circular mark burnt into it.

My friends xbox did the same exact thing when he returned GoW. Don't give me the conspiracy BS ,it just ain't cutting it anymore.


The GOW disc problem was due to inconsistent dye not scratches. If you have ever seem a dye problem it looks like a tree growth ring. It's not a burn area, it's a simple manufacturing problem And the disc had a 1yr waranty so it was replaced for free.

Jon

Here are the tests done by the dutch.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=rlQYkaXv8RU
http://youtube.com/watch?v=dQSNmpXdIfQ
http://youtube.com/watch?v=513I87Evjuw&mode=related&search=

MS is still not acknowledging the problem.

Thanks! I've learned a valuable lession. Don't put tape on your game disc!!

I know exactly what your talking about. Been through this 3 times. Twice with PGR3 and once with GOW. My solution is dont put them in the case. I havent had a cracked game since. When you take it in and out of the case. The game is hot. As it sets in the case. It cools down. When you take it out it will crack. I know this sounds crazy. But like I said. By me not putting them in the case. No more cracks.

im very careful with my games and hvae never had a disk break on me ever. ive been playing since the atari and still have not had a game break of get screwed up on me. as soon as im done with a game it either goes right back into the box of stays in the console. i never lend out games and dont let anyone touch my console but me (long story).

the reason im saying all this is i noticed my gears of war has a crack on the inner edge of center hole. its not the normal crack like someone bent it the wrong way. it was just odd how i saw the game the night before and it had not cracks and i inspected it to make sure there wasnt (wierd coincidence it was late and i didnt know if i should play graw or gow and i happen to see scratches on graw which i just bought recently and it wasnt used). then i immedietly put it into the system. well the next morning it wouldnt play so i took out g.o.w. and it had this funny crack i would talking about earlier.

i dont know if the system cracked it but it definetly wasnt there the night before and it went straight into the system after my inspection. hope this isnt the start of something from my 360.

It may have something to do with the packaging. Sometimes the disk is bent while taking it out of the case, and I can imagine if a DVD is bent enough, it could be warped slightly when placed into the drive. A warped DVD spinning at those speeds could cause it to wobble and get scratched.

I'm sorry I don't believe this line of BS. Its same kind of drivel people used to come up with to deny the fact that a large amont of 360's 3 ring.

Back then people would say the same sh!t about its only you,and its only a small percentage of the acutel hardware run. Give me a break

If you watch that video they explain why this is happening, on the DVD drives theres supposed to be some kind of disc cushioning that is availble in all other DVD drives,but it absent in a large amount of DVD on 360's.



I saw the videos Column.
I like how you bring up the 3 red rings.
Your post backs up what i've said before.

This problem definitely exists. I had four games get scratched just like that. The all had circular scratches. I never moved my console in any manner. I finally called MS, sent in my 360 for repair, and they sent me a refurb for free. Haven't had a scratch with the refurb.