Tomacro limHD200i HD media player with H.264 [Text View] - Page 10

av_noob

09-20-07, 11:30 PM

gendvd

09-21-07, 01:38 AM

WOW, this boosted my confidence in the services GenDVD commits. I am very impressed.

Back to my problem, I have private emailed to Jackie re: the exchange. However, conker's suggestions does not work, but it is never even once recognize and fail. It is no where in the Device manager.

Thank you all again and again, you are really great.

Sincerely,
Perry

To supply the best service is our job. Surely we will check the usb this time. We have got your Email. We will follow your address. TnT will fetch the Lim from you.You should take out the Hard drive so as to lower the weight and shipping fee thank you so much!

gendvd

09-21-07, 01:41 AM

DVD playback has definitely improved a bit in the 9/14 firmware. The biggest annoyance at the moment is the bug I mentioned where the limHD reverts to assuming I have a 4x3 display every time DVD playback begins (both ISO and VOB/IFO). I'd expect the limHD to instead use the global display type setting (4x3 vs. 16x9) from the Setup menu.

Fan and Jackie, please try to ensure this easy fix makes it into the next release.

Hello! Thank you for your kind suggestion. I will relect your suggestion to Tomacro.

gendvd

09-21-07, 01:49 AM

Hello! Everybody! For the people who need the exchange , please take out the hard drive to lower the weight and shipping fee.Thank you for your cooperation.

Hi-Jack

09-21-07, 02:12 AM

UPDATE 'topic' WHERE 'LimHD200i' SET 'gendvd' :-)
Topic is more about them than the limHD200i...

Anyway, is Tomacro releasing any info on timelines a new update could be released?
GenDVD, maybe you can get us info about that beside the warranty stuff...

oldpainless68

09-21-07, 02:17 AM

The lim has a problem playing MPEG-4 AVC's with a codec profile of High@L4.1

My problem is exactly as described here (from a while ago);

If I time seek to the middle of the movie it plays fine but only for about 10 seconds. Lower codec of MPEG-4 AVC plays fine (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=10861433). The problem is with High@L4.1 (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=11003998&postcount=896)!

@oldpainless have you heard anything back from when the problem was reported (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=11010443&postcount=915)?

@philmckrackon before your player died (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=11637003&postcount=2040) you were able to play High@L4.1 (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=11568115&postcount=1778), do you recall the firmware at the time?

I would ask mhiatt, but I think he sold his player (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=11351518&postcount=1522) even mentioning this problem (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=11353814&postcount=1526) as one of his pain points.

Does Tomacro have a fix, or is the High profile simply not supported? Thanks to anyone that can shed light on the subject matter.

Are we talking about ElXXXXX Dream?

That's the only one I've come across with issues...the lim supports upto High@5.1...all my MKV's are H.264 High@5.1 profile...

K

gendvd

09-21-07, 02:21 AM

oldpainless68

09-21-07, 06:06 AM

My lim is connected to my network by regular cat 5 cable. It's connecting to the nfs server without going through any gigabit devices.

But actually, I figured out the problem. The nfs must be exported (shared) as read-write. I had exported it as read-only since the lim can't write to any filesystems.

So that's cured your problems with DVD ISO playback over NFS?

K

pc01

09-21-07, 07:34 AM

pc01

09-21-07, 07:37 AM

oldpainless68

09-21-07, 09:23 AM

Jackie,
Since you posted here re: my exchange, I want to inquire about the process. Are you saying that TnT is now shipping me a new unit, when I get it, I should ship back the old one, just the shelf, when the delivery guy comes or ship in a later time myself? If so, am I responsible to pay another $80+ for the shipping cost? I hope this is not the case.

P.S.: In some of my previous posts, I am having trouble playing most of my self encoded H.264 files from Adobe Premiere Pro CS3 and none of my DV AVI that are direct capture from tape via Adobe PPro CS3. Are idea?

Sincerely,
Perry

Perry

The thing in common with both your issue here is Pro CS3....have you tried another H.264 encoding tool?

From looking on www.videohelp.com, AVC MPeg4 (VC-1 or h.264) 78 min for a DVD-9 sounds pretty poor...

If your after doing your own H.264 encodes from captures, take a look at:

http://www.videohelp.com/tools/x264_Encoder

K

oldpainless68

09-21-07, 09:26 AM

Conker,
These DV AVI videos are direct capture from DV tape via firewire (i.e. direct transfer of files) I think technically aren't they just DVs? I did not edit or do anything with them. The lim says "disc error" and I have to hard shut it down.

Perry

What codec's are in the AVI file?......if it looks like this (try mediainfo from videohelp.com)

Format : AVI
Format/Info : Audio Video Interleave
Format/Family : RIFF
File size : 27.3 MiB
PlayTime : 7s 741ms
Bit rate : 30 Mbps
Writing application : Matrox MQSink Filter . Format: 6. Build: 2.0.0.269

Video #0
Codec : Sony DV
Codec/Family : DV
Codec/Info : Sony Digital Video (DV) 525 lines at 29.97 Hz or 625 lines at 25.00 Hz
PlayTime : 7s 741ms
Bit rate : 30 Mbps
Width : 720 pixels
Height : 480 pixels
Aspect ratio : 1.500
Frame rate : 29.970 fps
Standard : NTSC
Resolution : 24 bits
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 2.851

The Lim will not play it....

K

LianLi

09-21-07, 11:19 AM

DVD playback has definitely improved a bit in the 9/14 firmware. The biggest annoyance at the moment is the bug I mentioned where the limHD reverts to assuming I have a 4x3 display every time DVD playback begins (both ISO and VOB/IFO). I'd expect the limHD to instead use the global display type setting (4x3 vs. 16x9) from the Setup menu.

Fan and Jackie, please try to ensure this easy fix makes it into the next release.

I agree with this one. I brought the Lim to my buddys house he has a Pioneer Elite 720p version and every MKV I played defaulted to 4:3 aspect ration. But it doesn't happen on my SonyXBR 1080p. So I thought that was strange.

oldpainless68

09-21-07, 01:40 PM

I agree with this one. I brought the Lim to my buddys house he has a Pioneer Elite 720p version and every MKV I played defaulted to 4:3 aspect ration. But it doesn't happen on my SonyXBR 1080p. So I thought that was strange.

I only found that on DVD ISO......all of my MKV's default to 16:9...

K

dave843

09-21-07, 04:49 PM

So that's cured your problems with DVD ISO playback over NFS?

K

Yes. Now that my NFS server is exporting the share as read-write, the DVD ISO playback over NFS works fine.

oldpainless68

09-21-07, 04:56 PM

Yes. Now that my NFS server is exporting the share as read-write, the DVD ISO playback over NFS works fine.

:)

K

pc01

09-21-07, 06:04 PM

Those DV avi that aren't playable are:
File: DV Type2 AVI NTSC 2.43 GB (or 2,496 MB or 2,556,494 KB or 2,617,850,746 bytes)
Codec: dvsd
Name: DVC/DV Video
Rate: 29.97/s
Size: 720x480
SAR: 1.500 (3:2)
PAR: 0.889
DAR: 1.333 (4:3)
Audio: PCM Audio 48000Hz 1536 kb/s tot (2 chnls)

dp70

09-21-07, 06:15 PM

The EM8623L doesn't support the DV codec. Given its loadable microcode architecture, it might be possible for Sigma to implement DV support, but there's probably not much demand for these 30 Mbps SD streams among the chip's primary markets (set-top boxes, DVD players, network media players).

chuna

09-21-07, 10:39 PM

Jackie,

Do you know if Tomacro will be providing the source code to the player including the Toolchain etc according to the GPL license? They need to release source codes to things like MKV playback etc which is open source.

Tks

pc01

09-21-07, 11:11 PM

If that is the case, Mark, that's fine. But, I thought this is a play all player.

Perry

av_noob

09-21-07, 11:45 PM

The lim has a problem playing MPEG-4 AVC's with a codec profile of High@L4.1

My problem is exactly as described here (from a while ago);

Internal HDD at 720p HDMI, FW707. Plays for about 10 seconds and then pauses/play/pauses/play. It can't keep up with it. Playing the same file from the USB HDD only gets about 5-6 seconds before stuttering. So it seems to support the codec but not fast enough to play it?

If I time seek to the middle of the movie it plays fine but only for about 10 seconds. Lower codec of MPEG-4 AVC plays fine (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=10861433). The problem is with High@L4.1 (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=11003998&postcount=896)!

@oldpainless have you heard anything back from when the problem was reported (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=11010443&postcount=915)?

@philmckrackon before your player died (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=11637003&postcount=2040) you were able to play High@L4.1 (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=11568115&postcount=1778), do you recall the firmware at the time?

I would ask mhiatt, but I think he sold his player (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=11351518&postcount=1522) even mentioning this problem (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=11353814&postcount=1526) as one of his pain points.

Does Tomacro have a fix, or is the High profile simply not supported? Thanks to anyone that can shed light on the subject matter.

Just an update to this issue. I re-formatted the internal HD with 64K cluster size and that seems to have helped the playback along, its not 100% though. I get about 3 minutes into the movie now before the picture starts to slow down.

I tried both audio settings in the setup which made no impact. Interesting enough changing the video from the native 1080p to 1080i fixes the slow down problem as described here but introduces a whole new issue where the picture almost looks jerky like its skipping every other 3rd frame on fast motion. I couldnt even watch the movie cause it was giving me a headache.

The movie info is as follows:

General #0
Complete name : Feature1.m2ts
Format : BluRay Video
Format/Family : MPEG-2
File size : 26.4 GiB

Video #0
Codec : AVC
Codec/Info : MPEG-4 AVC
Codec profile : High@L4.1
Width : 1920 pixels
Height : 1088 pixels
Aspect ratio : 16/9
PixelAspectRatio : 1.000
DisplayAspectRatio : 1.765

I can post a sample if you tell me how to split up the m2ts.

av_noob

09-21-07, 11:46 PM

Are we talking about ElXXXXX Dream?

That's the only one I've come across with issues...the lim supports upto High@5.1...all my MKV's are H.264 High@5.1 profile...

K

The only difference is H.264 and AVC, which I believe are different codecs. :confused:

dp70

09-22-07, 01:12 AM

I tried ISO and VOB/IFOs this evening from NFS mounted read-only and then read/write and didn't see any difference in stability or performance. Both worked mostly OK (saw occasional hangs requiring a reboot either way :( ).

oldpainless68

09-22-07, 02:41 AM

Just an update to this issue. I re-formatted the internal HD with 64K cluster size and that seems to have helped the playback along, its not 100% though. I get about 3 minutes into the movie now before the picture starts to slow down.

I tried both audio settings in the setup which made no impact. Interesting enough changing the video from the native 1080p to 1080i fixes the slow down problem as described here but introduces a whole new issue where the picture almost looks jerky like its skipping every other 3rd frame on fast motion. I couldnt even watch the movie cause it was giving me a headache.

The movie info is as follows:

General #0
Complete name : Feature1.m2ts
Format : BluRay Video
Format/Family : MPEG-2
File size : 26.4 GiB

Video #0
Codec : AVC
Codec/Info : MPEG-4 AVC
Codec profile : High@L4.1
Width : 1920 pixels
Height : 1088 pixels
Aspect ratio : 16/9
PixelAspectRatio : 1.000
DisplayAspectRatio : 1.765

I can post a sample if you tell me how to split up the m2ts.

A sample would be good so we can get it across to Tomacro (anyone know how?).....odd though. I have the CR.m2ts and MIiii.mts samples (high bitrate) and they play fine from the HD, but not over NFS.....but there again these samples are only 2 mins long..

K

dp70

09-22-07, 03:29 AM

In case anyone else has a JP1-capable remote (OneForAll etc.), I created the attached device upgrade file for the limHD200i (load it into keymap-master v9.10) so you can add the limHD200i to your programmable remote.

(Don't know what JP1 is? Some clever folks have reverse-engineered the code and data formats inside dozens of common remote controls that are all based on designs by OneForAll. These remotes can be thoroughly customized using free software and tools available at the JP1 Remotes Forum (http://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/).)

oldpainless68

09-22-07, 05:23 AM

In case anyone else has a JP1-capable remote (OneForAll etc.), I created the attached device upgrade file for the limHD200i (load it into keymap-master v9.10) so you can add the limHD200i to your programmable remote.

(Don't know what JP1 is? Some clever folks have reverse-engineered the code and data formats insides dozens of common remote controls that are all based on designs by OneForAll. These remotes can be thoroughly customized using free software and tools available at the JP1 Remotes Forum (http://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/).)

Nice one...cheers Mark

K

gendvd

09-22-07, 07:19 AM

Jackie,
Since you posted here re: my exchange, I want to inquire about the process. Are you saying that TnT is now shipping me a new unit, when I get it, I should ship back the old one, just the shelf, when the delivery guy comes or ship in a later time myself? If so, am I responsible to pay another $80+ for the shipping cost? I hope this is not the case.

P.S.: In some of my previous posts, I am having trouble playing most of my self encoded H.264 files from Adobe Premiere Pro CS3 and none of my DV AVI that are direct capture from tape via Adobe PPro CS3. Are idea?

Sincerely,
Perry

Hello!
Perry! You needn't pay for it. We will excange one for you fro free. I mean the TNT guy will follow the address you give us to fetch the old unit, after we get the old one, we will ship a new one to you . So you need not do anything for it only package it and the delivery guy to take your old one. We will exchange for you for free.
Sincerely,
Jackie

pc01

09-22-07, 07:23 AM

gendvd

09-22-07, 07:27 AM

[QUOTE=chuna;11693992]Jackie,

Do you know if Tomacro will be providing the source code to the player including the Toolchain etc according to the GPL license? They need to release source codes to things like MKV playback etc which is open source.

Tks[/QUOT
Hello! I think it is a little immpractical,. I think you had better inquire Tomacro directly. I am sorry I can not help you.
Jackie:)

pc01

09-22-07, 07:30 AM

OK, thanks Jackie. So when are they going to contact me?

At this point, could I even back out of the purchase? (Just curious, since it is not able to meet my expectations. I was a little disappointed in several aspects: not able to play DV AVI cause most of my files are; it crashes and I have to hard boot; not able to copy files from an external HDD to the internal one; not able to use as a PVR which is really nice...) I really don't want to do this, but I am looking into long term use of this device, it is not so promising as I have read in this forum and some bad personal experiences at this time with the player, not the service, the service from you have been great so far.

Thanks,
Perry

oldpainless68

09-22-07, 07:45 AM

I think I got into Lim too fast, but would someone tell me if it is capable of recording HDTV signal? If I hook up an external HDD to it, would it be able to copy the files over to the internal HDD? I thought it is superior to the TVIX product 4100SH or 5100SH? Are they using a newer chip than the Lim? That's why they can use the SATA drive and able to use as a PVR?

Thanks,
Perry

Re PVR - nope, I don't think the Lim will ever have that functionality, It's being groomed as a top Hi-Def media player. Copying files from external drives etc is coming in the form of FTP. You also should bear in mind, the Lim is a very young product, so there are still bugs in the firmware that are being ironed out.

The Tvix uses the same chip, but the firmware is written/designed to be a general purpose media player - different focus than the Lim.

K

gendvd

09-22-07, 07:46 AM

jofa

09-22-07, 08:10 AM

hello! At present Lim has not got this fuinction, now it mainly focus on getting a higher rate as a HD player.If a machine can reach these functions ,surely the price will be much higher

With "these functions" I assume you refer to PVR and copy functionality as mentioned by pc01.
Well, I am under the impression that:
- the Tvix does both of the above
- is cheaper than the lim

Is that correct or wrong?
/J

sansp00

09-22-07, 08:37 AM

oldpainless68

09-22-07, 09:22 AM

Althought the TViX is rougher around the edges for HD (they are working on it also), it is the case jofa ... The real big advantage right now, is the HD stuff, but I guess that this will melt quite a bit in the weeks/months to come. Not saying it will be on par, but I guess it will be pretty damn close.
Patrick S.

You are right, the focus of the lim is Hi-Def, high bit rate support. So it's priorities will be MKV 720p/1080p, AVC, TS, AVI etc, with 24hz option and that sort of stuff.

Although the Tvix and the Lim share a lot in common, their focuses are different - but it will be interesting to see how far both of them can push the hardware....which can only be good for the owners of either unit...

I have to say, I've had my Lim for some time now.....and even now, when I watch a 720p/1080p film, I'm still blown away by the picture quality over HDMI (although there is still lots to do on the firmware side)

K

oldpainless68

09-22-07, 09:46 AM

Jackie

Any update on the next cut?

K

russland

09-22-07, 10:03 AM

A sample would be good so we can get it across to Tomacro (anyone know how?).....odd though. I have the CR.m2ts and MIiii.mts samples (high bitrate) and they play fine from the HD, but not over NFS.....but there again these samples are only 2 mins long..

K

Ok, ok.
To split a TS file you should try the TSSplitter (http://www.ffprojects.net/tssplitter/tssplitter.htm) tool. If no success then I'll show you how I did it which is not user-friendly.

dp70

09-22-07, 10:09 AM

I measured the power consumption of the limHD: about 12 Watts fully powered up, and 11 Watts in standby mode (turning "off" from remote control).

oldpainless68

09-22-07, 11:51 AM

I measured the power consumption of the limHD: about 12 Watts fully powered up, and 11 Watts in standby mode (turning "off" from remote control).

So I guess kinda pays to shut the Lim off rather than standby....12 watts is low too...

K

russland

09-22-07, 11:56 AM

So I guess kinda pays to shut the Lim off rather than standby....12 watts is low too...

K

Yeah, it is better to shutdown by a switch if you have an internal HDD in your lim. Then it will stop and prolong its life.

dp70

09-22-07, 12:35 PM

I'm inclined to leave the limHD on since the bootup time is kind of long (compared to my other HT peripherals). Tomacro could cut the power consumption considerably by having the hard drive spin down after a minute or two of sitting idle. My 1TB external USB drive does this- it uses 22 Watts while powered up and only 3 Watts when spun down.

russland

09-22-07, 12:41 PM

Yeah, external USB HDD is quite convenient. I have a WD MyBook 500GB and it stops spinning after 3 minutes being idle. However, internal HDD spins constantly even though my TViX displays screensaver.

av_noob

09-22-07, 01:20 PM

Ok, ok.
To split a TS file you should try the TSSplitter (http://www.ffprojects.net/tssplitter/tssplitter.htm) tool. If no success then I'll show you how I did it which is not user-friendly.

I tried but I think TSSplitter has issues with m2ts. The chunked file was big for a mere 1 min too. Have you had any luck?

Yeah, it is better to shutdown by a switch if you have an internal HDD in your lim. Then it will stop and prolong its life.

This is a myth. Its like the light-bulb theory. Leaving it off will not prolong the life. As a matter of fact you have a worse chance of killing the drive by constanly powering it up and down.

RHISC-NL

09-22-07, 02:50 PM

digitalkid2

09-22-07, 02:56 PM

oldpainless68

09-22-07, 03:45 PM

Sounds fishy.....sounds like broken Chinese...this thread has reached a new low!

Nope...RHISC-NL is for real....seen him about...

K

av_noob

09-22-07, 03:45 PM

People come and visit our showroom to see the difference of a .mkv sample in 1080p on a Xoro 1080p 37" LCD TV. They don't botter about lack of FTP support, who want to upload 5-8-10 GB with FTP (2-5 Kb) to a TViX?!

We have a lot of .mkv samples we can comparfe on both devices, costumer decide, not us!!!

Yeah, what are you playing MPEG2 in mkv at about 25+ GB files? Why don't you try playing the 99% of AVC HIGH profile or VC-1 in mkv .. oh yeah neither devices will play them! LOL

I know this posting can be used to hit me :mad: but f**k the single one, we know what the customers want.

Stupid is as stupid does.

RHISC-NL

09-22-07, 04:56 PM

Hi all just started, great :D
yes we are alive and kicking see http://www.rhisc.nl

See for yourself on alt.binaries.hdtv.x264

Nevermind all your opinions and remarks it's all about perception.
I only give you a inside dept about sales, that's all what matters.....
If it DvICo or Tomacro sale>>I am independent, I only give todays marketshare information about a brand who is already more then a year on the market against a brand for a couple of months...

Nice to hear my English is almost the same compared with Chinese :D, perhaps I have to much contact with my Chinese suppliers... even I live nearby Amsterdam (Yes in Holland The Netherlands)

av_noob

09-22-07, 05:19 PM

Great, just what we need ... another salesman in this thread.

RHISC-NL

09-22-07, 05:25 PM

Great, just what we need ... another salesman in this thread.

Correct, with daily technical questions and feedback about our products and customer needs regarding HDD Multimedia Centers in general. If you have any comments feel free..
But I think I made my point and I don't think you will be interested...

Have all a nice weekend :)

landsat

09-22-07, 06:11 PM

Hello, I'm a new LIM user.
First I think, actually it's the best media server, better than 4100.

Do you know if it's possible to change subtiles font size ? if not I hope they will add this option in next firmware.

russland

09-22-07, 08:22 PM

digitalkid2

09-22-07, 08:28 PM

Nope...RHISC-NL is for real....seen him about...

K
Of course you have...you're buds....you almost sound like twins!

Being real and being meaningful are two different things!

russland

09-22-07, 08:36 PM

I tried but I think TSSplitter has issues with m2ts. The chunked file was big for a mere 1 min too. Have you had any luck?

Frankly, I didn't try TSSplitter. I don't download that huge m2ts files anymore.
Anyway, to cut a piece from your clip we need to exercise plan B. This method can cut only the beginning part of you file. Download FileSplit (http://www.partridgesoft.com/filesplit/) tool. Each block in the m2ts file is exactly 192 bytes. So, if you want to create around 19MB sample then you should select [Bytes] measurements in "Size of Each Part" and type 19200000 (which is 192*100000). This was the method that I used to split parts.

I'll give you plan C as well if B fails. Get the TSRemux (http://www.videohelp.com/tools/TSRemux) tool. Get the total clip length and deduct the length of a sample you want (say 30 seconds). Put this value into "Trim End" fields. This tool should give you more control because you can split a middle part.

I don't have any other plans.

pc01

09-22-07, 08:55 PM

Russland,
I thank you for your sales insight. It actually boost my confidence on the lim. However, I am not sure how much quality difference really there is between lim and Tvix 4100?

Perry

pc01

09-22-07, 08:55 PM

BTW, can TVIX handle DV AVI?

Perry

conker2007

09-22-07, 09:25 PM

BTW, can TVIX handle DV AVI?

Perry

My LimHD & Tvix all do not support DVSD docoding, because Sigma Designs' decoding Lib/microcode doesn't support the DVSD codec now.

russland

09-22-07, 11:15 PM

Russland,
I thank you for your sales insight.

My pleasure.
:D

oldpainless68

09-23-07, 03:51 AM

Look like RHISC-NL is charging about the same for the Lim as the Tvix...

K

RHISC-NL

09-23-07, 04:32 AM

YES indeed:
limHD200i cost Eur 399.- included VAT
M-4100SH also costs Eur 399.- included VAT minus a promo of discount of Eur 20.-. Total Eur 379.-
Cheapest price in EU for TViX range, correct me if I am wrong
All two year warranty

carlsberg112

09-23-07, 05:31 AM

skylla

09-23-07, 05:36 AM

399.- Euro incl. 320 GByte HDD in Belgium...

RHISC-NL

09-23-07, 05:37 AM

Really great information about DViCo and Tomacro pricing in EU!
But is see prices mentioned, but no ref about product.

Hi-Jack

09-23-07, 06:06 AM

Hi all, (yes we are a reseller of DViCo TViX, but also Tomacro, Rapsody and new the Ellion HMR-700A Player with recording function) We want to inform you about the market share of the limHD200i here in the Netherlands (we also send many units into EU)...

At this moment the sale between the TViX M-4100SH and the limHD200i are at this moment 1:1. Mostly because of the High Def player quality. People come and visit our showroom to see the difference of a .mkv sample in 1080p on a Xoro 1080p 37" LCD TV. They don't botter about lack of FTP support, who want to upload 5-8-10 GB with FTP (2-5 Kb) to a TViX?! even DVB-T is no option here in the Netherlands. New firmware is stable enough to enjoy the the widely spread newsserver .mkv files. :D

We have a lot of .mkv samples we can comparfe on both devices, costumer decide, not us!!!

We are already sold out (limHD200i), sorry, new shipment is on it's way, within 14 days new supply from China, thanks to Fan :)

I know this posting can be used to hit me :mad: but f**k the single one, we know what the customers want. We sell for more then one year all models of DvICo and at this time we see a huge demand of Tomacro limHD200i, even it's not perfect...

Best regards to all of you, Ronald

You sold 8 units in 3 weeks.
That's nothing to write home about boy...
You sell 1 on 1 because your TVIX sales have stalled, not because they are equally popular.

hence, i'm personally responsible for holding back hundreds of LimHD's in EU as long as i'm not happy, none of our partners / resellers will add them. So far we haven't seen pleasing results in QA and communications
and the player seriously still lacks attitude in the FW and playback. It doesn't have a healthy feature if it limits itself this way and neather will it enjoy people's trust globally if every FW breaks a key component and reaction is as slow as previously with mkv and now with HDMI.

We'll still see how it evolves when adding FTP (read/write mount) to see if it will be capable of maintaining
it's performance. The LimHD200i is the best performer on these files but it is hardly to be called the best
player...

now, can we quite making this thread a commercial outlet for you money hungry resellers?
Thank you.

oldpainless68

09-23-07, 06:17 AM

Anyone here have a God complex?

K

RHISC-NL

09-23-07, 06:20 AM

You sold 8 units in 3 weeks.
That's nothing to write home about boy...
You sell 1 on 1 because your TVIX sales have stalled, not because they are equally popular.

hence, i'm personally responsible for holding back hundreds of LimHD's in EU as long as i'm not happy, none of our partners / resellers will add them. So far we haven't seen pleasing results in QA and communications
and the player seriously still lacks attitude in the FW and playback.

Haha my former contact from Belgium is also back in town :) didn't take that long to respond.
Buyers don't like to buy when you have no stock, last delivery took a long time to arrive, status from 14 days, to 3-5 days and 24 hours.
24 hours delivery is the signal to buy...

But great to hear that your always watching my site, and TViX sale is not slow, but who cares if you want to state that in your comment.... Keep up the good work

So you can watch again we will get 12 pieces limHD200i within 14 days, so please visit every day and count the progress compared with shipping status...

lundman

09-23-07, 06:29 AM

gendvd

09-23-07, 06:39 AM

Hello! We sincerely welcome ones to be our agent in Europe or in the USA. We give you the lowest price. We will ensure you sell the LimHD200i with the lowest price .Much lower than any other agent. And welcome to tell your demands to us. We will save no efforts to support you. Welcome to email us gendvd2000@yahoo.com
If anyone find the lower price than us, please let us know, we will surely give you the lowest price.Thank you for everybody' attention.Sincerly Jackie

oldpainless68

09-23-07, 06:46 AM

oldpainless68

09-23-07, 06:47 AM

Jackie

Any feedback from Tomacro?

K

RHISC-NL

09-23-07, 06:53 AM

You guys are turning me off this thread, not that it matters, but you might make people who *we* care about leave :)

At the end of the time, *I* researched the units out there, picked the one that fit *me* best, and it doesn't matter how much you chaps talk about some other unit, I am not just going to drop everything to buy it just because you think it's better.

Let's stay focused, and encourage Tomacro to keep working on it. So many makers release their units and disappear (I'm looking at you Buffalo!)

My goal is for this thread to see the progress (FW - High Def comments etc) made by you as members and Tomacro. So I can give actual feedback and progress to my clients.
It's not my intention to fill this thread with sales related postings, only this time to give a indication how the two brands will involve in business.

We all know that a few months ago .mkv (Hot topic overhere...) support on the the Sigma 8623 wasn't the case, now we have two players who can....

Hi-Jack

09-23-07, 07:43 AM

Good one Ronald... Best joke I heard so far in this thread.
Time to stop wasting my time on Tomacro... It ain't worth it, PERIOD!

RHISC-NL

09-23-07, 07:55 AM

Good one Ronald... Best joke I heard so far in this thread.
Time to stop wasting my time on Tomacro... It ain't worth it, PERIOD!

I thought you already said that many times about Tomacro, bye and enjoy this nice sunny sunday :D

oldpainless68

09-23-07, 09:14 AM

You guys can get into a pisXXXg match all you like...I feel a new firmware cut in the winds...:)

K :D:D:D:D

;)

digitalkid2

09-23-07, 09:34 AM

Special Note to dealers, re-sellers, or any person or company that deals in equipment or products for sale. You are not allowed to post items for sale on the forums. This also holds true for manufactures not being able to promote their products inside the AVS Forum sites. AV Science is the only dealer/re-seller allowed to post items for sale inside the forum or promote manufacture items. If you need promotion services, this forum offers banner advertising. This is again also holds true for individuals looking to sell used gear or "special deals" that may have. This is further carried into the forum signatures and the private message feature. On the same note...REFERRAL CODES are not allowed to be referenced for they are a sales tool.
Seems to me we need a forum moderator to take a look at this thread. Way too many postings that violate the rules, way to many that are purely greed driven.

RHISC-NL

09-23-07, 10:01 AM

Seems to me we need a forum moderator to take a look at this thread. Way too many postings that violate the rules, way to many that are purely greed driven.

To avoid conflict of interest, I will not longer post for "low profile" reasons, only read to see the updates and results....

av_noob

09-23-07, 10:27 AM

now, can we quite making this thread a commercial outlet for you money hungry resellers?

I second that!

Anyone here have a God complex?

Only when playing DOOM! :D

Let's stay focused, and encourage Tomacro to keep working on it.

Tomacro, I've spent a hefty amount of $$ lets get some faster cuts to iron on the last bit of video/audio issues.

@oldpainless68, do you have the list of priorities?

Hello! We sincerely welcome ones to be our agent in Europe or in the USA. We give you the lowest price. We will ensure you sell the LimHD200i with the lowest price .Much lower than any other agent. And welcome to tell your demands to us. We will save no efforts to support you. Welcome to email us gendvd2000@163.com
If anyone find the lower price than us, please let us know, we will surely give you the lowest price.Thank you for everybody' attention.Sincerly Jackie

...and the fight between resellers begin! Grab your popcorn folks this is going to get good, heh.

Seems to me we need a forum moderator to take a look at this thread. Way too many postings that violate the rules, way to many that are purely greed driven.

I agree. Mods can you help here??

Mike Lang

09-23-07, 10:55 AM

Yes, suspensions or permanent bans will be given to members marketing here.

Poorbeek

09-23-07, 12:41 PM

Finally someone taking action here. We are also traders but we are only here online for checking and asking questions because for us is this the place to be for user information about the Tomacro products which we also evaluate now.

I see that when i use MKV files with multilanguages that they do not work proper. Hick ups and stuttering and loosing audio synchronisation. Do the rest of the people have this also with the last software version.

dp70

09-23-07, 01:12 PM

... the player seriously still lacks attitude in the FW and playback ...

On the contrary... I get a great deal of attitude from my limHD. Using trick play on this player is like trying to boss around a cat. So far, the only navigation that seems to work fairly consistently for me (other than play/stop/pause) is chapter next/prev in DVD playback.

av_noob

09-23-07, 01:28 PM

I see that when i use MKV files with multilanguages that they do not work proper. Hick ups and stuttering and loosing audio synchronisation. Do the rest of the people have this also with the last software version.

It's the not the multilanguages that cause the audio hick-ups but rather the ac3 stream in the MKV container. A DTS audio stream does not have the issues in MKV (I have not tested but others have).

Also, I have an m2ts file that slowes down after about 3 minutes into the movie. I orginally thought it was the High@L4.1 codec profile but others don't experience the problem. I'm now leaning towards the additional amount of audio streams in the file. I'm going to remux the file and re-test. I'll report my findings here when complete.

av_noob

09-23-07, 01:30 PM

BTW, I've never had an audio synchronization problem with the lim but rather audio drops that cause my receiver to lose the signal which inadvently makes a crack/pop sound during the movie playback. I've only seen this with MKV too.

oldpainless68

09-23-07, 02:00 PM

@oldpainless68, do you have the list of priorties

Yes...here's the lastest (but I expect a few to be crossed off soon)

1 HDMI selection fixed - ASAP
2 720p/1080p MKV occasional sound drop fixed (I'm still sure this is due to the reading of the A/V timecode tables)
3 WMV-HD with WMA 5.1 as 5.1 audio when digital encoded selected - added back in
3.1 Select Multiple audio tracks in an AVI container
4 Add VC-1 as a supported codec in an MKV container
5 Deinterlace option for SD material
6 24hz option added (video mode for Hi-Def material)
7 FTP support (copy, paste & delete)
8 Multiple NFS mounts
9 NAS support
10 Evo container support
11 Ability to build MP3 playlists and save them on the hard drive
12 HD audio passthrough
13 FLAC support as an audio format and support for an audio track in MKV's
14 Video save points/resume

K

dp70

09-23-07, 03:16 PM

For #5 - motion-adaptive deinterlacing isn't just for SD material-- interlaced HD material should be deinterlaced as well if the output is progressive (this is a hardware feature, so it should be easy to enable)

For #11, having the limHD honor existing .m3u playlists that use relative file paths would be enough. No need for a whole awkward GUI on the limHD itself to create playlists.

#14 would require write access to the filesystem where the current file is stored, or else using some writable system directory in a user-configurable spot.

Please add these:

15. Use globally-set aspect ratio (4x3 or 16x9) when starting DVD playback

16. Password protection when accessing certain directories (keep limHD kid-safe)

17. Password protection for the setup menu (keep limHD wife-safe :D and kid-safe)

18. Hide unconfigured or non-present devices in the main menu (no USB drives present -> don't show USB menu, NFS server not pingable -> don't show NFS etc.)

19. Better fast forward and rewind navigation wherever it's technically possible

gendvd

09-24-07, 02:13 AM

Jackie

Any feedback from Tomacro?

K

Hello, K
We have sent FW for 24p test to you, please check your email. Thanks.

Hi-Jack

09-24-07, 02:16 AM

On the contrary... I get a great deal of attitude from my limHD. Using trick play on this player is like trying to boss around a cat. So far, the only navigation that seems to work fairly consistently for me (other than play/stop/pause) is chapter next/prev in DVD playback.

I hope you are right Oldpainless that a new cut is in the wind soon. (Would ahte to wait 6 weeks for the issues to be resolved).

Mark, I'm not really talking about playback and trick play. We so far know
that normal handling on files is ok for HD and SD and that the mkv files have
issues (dropping sound on a regular basis) but so far the same files having
this on Tomacro seem to fail also to play without sound issues on TViX and
even NMT. (Example matrix audio drops)

In my humble opinion the Tomacro is great for HD playback but it should be
known it is the only section it is great in without having ability to delete files,
move files, play music decently (browse while playing), photo capacity. If not
supposed to be supported well, why add it anyway? (You know what i mean?)

That's the limitations I target when saying it lacks attitude. We can this even further, bookmarks are not possible on read only file system (would be nice), favorites are not possible on read only system, there is no possibility to listen to internet radio, there is no more than 1 source that can be used with either NFS or SMB and so on...

Many of these limitations have importance for HD playback too and I believe Tomacro will add some in the feature. Then I would have questions about how it will infect the performance and get no answers from anyone except "Tomacro is designed to be HD player" and see slow progress and low communication abilities from the brand not to mention, QA issues.

Too many questions, not enough answers.
It would be really informative to find out and put minds at ease.

PS: Glad the thread is back on track now to be about the player.
I'm out of attack mode for resellers now so maybe a decent discussion is now possible.

Enjoy
Hi-Jack

oldpainless68

09-24-07, 02:42 AM

Hello, K
We have sent FW for 24p test to you, please check your email. Thanks.

Got it :cool::D

K

oldpainless68

09-24-07, 02:44 AM

oldpainless68

09-24-07, 03:20 AM

Hi-Jack

09-24-07, 03:52 AM

Maybe #18 can server both cases for SMB and NFS. (Autodetect shares via
broadcasting and ping NFS source) It would at least remove the limitation of
1 SMB server to be supported (people often have PC and NAS serving data or
even multiple storage devices)

Enjoy

landsat

09-24-07, 06:44 AM

Yes...here's the lastest (but I expect a few to be crossed off soon)

1 HDMI selection fixed - ASAP
2 720p/1080p MKV occasional sound drop fixed (I'm still sure this is due to the reading of the A/V timecode tables)
3 WMV-HD with WMA 5.1 as 5.1 audio when digital encoded selected - added back in
3.1 Select Multiple audio tracks in an AVI container
4 Add VC-1 as a supported codec in an MKV container
5 Deinterlace option for SD material
6 24hz option added (video mode for Hi-Def material)
7 FTP support (copy, paste & delete)
8 Multiple NFS mounts
9 NAS support
10 Evo container support
11 Ability to build MP3 playlists and save them on the hard drive
12 HD audio passthrough
13 FLAC support as an audio format and support for an audio track in MKV's
14 Video save points/resume

K

Better .srt support and more options for subtitles like font size, outline..
Better ISO DVD support, there still some bugs when you change audio track or subtitles.

10 Evo container support, with support of select Multiple audio tracks

Thanks.

oldpainless68

09-24-07, 06:56 AM

Just an update on the latest beta - feedback has now gone back to Jackie and Tomacro....

K

pc01

09-24-07, 07:56 AM

oldpainless68

09-24-07, 07:59 AM

For me, better support for H.264 cause I still have files that are not playable that were encoded by Premiere. They were playable in VLC and KMPlayers using FREE Core Codec. Kevin or others, what specification, such as frame rate or encoding quality, audio formats... does lim support? Mine are: H264, size 1440x1080 29.95fps 12CBR mp4. What's wrong with that?

Perry

Your res, fps and CBR are all fine, but try outputing in a different container such as TS, AVI or MKV....let me know how you get on.

An example of H.264 in an AVI container:

Format : AVI
Format/Info : Audio Video Interleave
Format/Family : RIFF
File size : 7.94 GiB
PlayTime : 2h 26mn
Bit rate : 7755 Kbps
Writing application : AVI-Mux GUI 1.17.7, Aug 8 2006 20:59:17

Video #0
Codec : Intel H.264
Codec/Info : Intel H.264
PlayTime : 2h 26mn
Bit rate : 6206 Kbps
Width : 1280 pixels
Height : 536 pixels
Aspect ratio : 2.35
Frame rate : 23.976 fps
Resolution : 12 bits
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.377

Audio #0
Codec : DTS
Bit rate : 1536 Kbps
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel positions : Front: L C R, Surround: L R, Subwoofer
Sampling rate : 48 KHz
Resolution : 20 bits
Title : m_Track2
Coherency/PlayTime : 8790638

An example of H.264 in a TS container:

ormat : MPEG-4 Transport
Format/Family : MPEG-4
File size : 8.03 GiB
PlayTime : 2h 22mn
Bit rate : 8092 Kbps

Video #0
Codec : AVC
Codec/Info : MPEG-4 AVC
Codec profile : High@L5.1
PlayTime : 2h 22mn
Bit rate : 7363 Kbps
Width : 1280 pixels
Height : 544 pixels
Aspect ratio : 2.35
PixelAspectRatio : 1.000
DisplayAspectRatio : 2.353

Audio #0
Codec : AC3
Bit rate : 576 Kbps
Bit rate mode : CBR
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel positions : Front: L C R, Rear: L R, Subwoofer
Sampling rate : 48 KHz

K

oldpainless68

09-24-07, 08:13 AM

I can confim that the following is being fixed/added in the current beta:

1 HDMI selection
2 720p/1080p MKV occasional sound drop
3 WMV-HD with WMA 5.1 as 5.1 audio when digital encoded selected - (WMA 5.1 and ACC 5.1 added as options for Digital Encode 5.1)
6 24hz video option added

Mark, could you post your test file for me, because just want to double check item 5 (Deinterlace)

K

PS - 24fps looks very nice....smoooooth

Hi-Jack

09-24-07, 08:40 AM

FAN, Jackie, Oldpainless...
Anyone can send me the new prelim beta by mail so we can verify stuff?

oldpainless68

09-24-07, 08:50 AM

FAN, Jackie, Oldpainless...
Anyone can send me the new prelim beta by mail so we can verify stuff?

Hi-Jack - I can't help you on this one, that's down to Jackie and Fan.

K

oldpainless68

09-24-07, 09:32 AM

Ok, based on recent feedback, here's the updated Lim Users requirments log (in order of priority):

1 HDMI selection fixed - ASAP in progress, current beta
2 720p/1080p MKV occasional sound drop fixed (I'm still sure this is due to the reading of the A/V timecode tables) in progress, current beta
3 WMV-HD with WMA 5.1 as 5.1 audio when digital encoded selected - added back in in progress, current beta
3.1 Select Multiple audio tracks in an AVI container
3.2 Use globally-set aspect ratio (4x3 or 16x9) when starting DVD playback
4 Add VC-1 as a supported codec in an MKV container
5 Deinterlace option
6 24hz option added (video mode for Hi-Def material) in progress, current beta
7 FTP support (copy, paste & delete)
8 Multiple NFS mounts
9 NAS support
10 Evo container support (with multiple audio tracks)
11 Ability to use .m3u playlists
12 HD audio passthrough
13 FLAC support as an audio format and support for an audio track in MKV's
14 Video save points/resume
15 SRT support/font size etc
16 Password protection when accessing certain directories
17 Password protection for the setup menu
18 Hide unconfigured or non-present devices in the main menu (no USB drives present -> don't show USB menu, NFS server not pingable -> don't show NFS etc.)
19 Better fast forward and rewind navigation wherever it's technically possible

As I have said in my post above, I expect several off this list to be deleted with the next firmware release.

In my feedback to Jackie and Tomacro, I have also referenced 3.1, 3.2 and 5.

K

oldpainless68

09-24-07, 11:00 AM

Things are looking very good indeed...

K

russland

09-24-07, 11:07 AM

Things are looking very good indeed...

K

Yeah, that is good!
Now we have 1080p MKV files that have macroblocking in TViX while limHD doesn't have any problems (still need to be confirmed by TViX fans). This is the argument we would use to push Dvico to polish MKV playback or they'll push Sigma or whatever.

cHarOn99

09-24-07, 11:29 AM

dp70

09-24-07, 11:34 AM

Mark, could you post your test file for me, because just want to double check item 5 (Deinterlace)

Here's the post... (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=11107914#post11107914)

The waving flag should look much better when motion-adaptive deinterlacing is enabled.
I'd really like to check out this release myself if someone who has it could set me up...

oldpainless68

09-24-07, 12:06 PM

Here's the post... (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=11107914#post11107914)

The waving flag should look much better when motion-adaptive deinterlacing is enabled.
I'd really like to check out this release myself if someone who has it could set me up...

Cheers Mark...d/ling now....

K

oldpainless68

09-24-07, 12:11 PM

@russland: it is easy described as hi-jack already sorted out then less features you have then you have more resources for videoplayback so it is up to the costumers what they want videoplayback or also music, photo, ............. features.
but great for you guys who already bought the device to do such things for me there are missing to many ;-)

cHarOn

then you should have bought the Tvix.....the Lim's target is the Hi-Def space....rather than general media player functions.....it can play music and photos, but more of the memory is given over to things like 720p/1080p MKV playback, image qulaity, 24hz etc etc..

K

pc01

09-24-07, 12:18 PM

oldpainless68

09-24-07, 12:58 PM

Kevin,
I think I figured out, part of the reasons, perhaps? I exported some of the MP4 (H.264 formats) as 1440x1080, but those that can not be played as 1920x1080 (max size of HDV). Does lim support 1920x1080? or only up to 1440x1080?

Perry

Nope...the Lim supports full 1080p (1920x1080) and I've tested files at 1440x1080....I think you'll find it's the container...try to output TS, M2TS, AVI or MKV...

K

av_noob

09-24-07, 01:22 PM

I can confim that the following is being fixed/added in the current beta:

2 720p/1080p MKV occasional sound drop
3 WMV-HD with WMA 5.1 as 5.1 audio when digital encoded selected - (WMA 5.1 and ACC 5.1 added as options for Digital Encode 5.1)
6 24hz video option added

All welcomed updates. I for one can't wait to try the several mkv that had audio issues. Thanks for the update.

Things are looking very good indeed...

YAY!

Yeah, that is good!
Now we have 1080p MKV files that have macroblocking in TViX while limHD doesn't have any problems (still need to be confirmed by TViX fans). This is the argument we would use to push Dvico to polish MKV playback or they'll push Sigma or whatever.

I see DVICO in the dust far far behind the lim by now. :D

Kevin,
Does lim support 1920x1080?

Yes it does, though I think 24 frames per second progressive videos had issues --All which is about to be fixed in the next firmware release. :)

pierdolis

09-24-07, 01:30 PM

I've just been told not everyone will know what mkv2vfr is or where to find it.

mkv2vfr is part of Haali's MatroskaSplitter. Download and install the latest package, and you will find the command line app in the install directory of Haali\MatroskaSplitter.

As it's a command line app, it would be easier to drag your mkv file into this directory and name your files 1.mkv 1.avi, then when muxing using AVI-mux gui, call the output the "name of your film.avi"

Tools and downloads:

Haali Media Splitter
http://haali.cs.msu.ru/mkv/

MKVEXtractGUI
http://www.videohelp.com/tools/MKVExtractGUI
(don't forget you will need mkvextract/ mkvmerge, so install mkvtoolnix, then go to the mkvtoolnix install directory and copy mkvextract and mkvmerge and paste into your MKVExtractGUI folder)

AVI-Mux_GUI-1.17.7
http://www.alexander-noe.com/video/amg/#download

Then, 3 simple steps:

Step 1 Take your MKV file run it throught mkv2vfr (command line mkv2vfr name.mkv name.avi)

Step 2 Next, take the original MKV file and process it through MKVExtractGUI (load the mkv file, and just extract the audio)

Step 3 Last bit, take the AVI file that mkv2vfr has created, and the AC3 file extracted by MKVExtractGUI and mux them with avi-mux gui (output settings - AVI ; make rec lists ticked, mp3 and add junk off)

And remember, no loss of quality, as we are demuxing and changing from VFR to CFR and remuxing (to keep the sync, because when in the MKV container, the sync data is in the MKV container itself).

If anyone still has problems, let me know and I'll write a more complete guide.

Hope that helps.

Kevin
Hi,

Thanks so much for this quick guide, but I'm having some problems and need your help.

First I have installed everthing that you have described:

full version of K codec (decoder settings as you described are setup also)

Hall Splitter

MKV Extract

Avi-Mux

My problem starts with the setp 1 (mkv2vfr)..I follow the instructions but each time that I open it...it opens and closes..it's a black window that disapears with a snap.
I manage to create a avi file from the mkv with gdsmux...

step 2
I don't have problems...works fine the extraction of the sound from the original mkv:)

Step 3
I join both files. The program acepts..butttt...whe I click on start..and I need to save the file he only let me save it on MKV????

Please, can you help me??

Thanks,

Miguel

pierdolis

09-24-07, 01:43 PM

Also I have a question to all you guys...after few weeks of indecision and reading this amazing forum... and debate myself..I decided and order the limHD200i yesterday from Australia. I live in Poland and the quickest way to find it with a nice price was trought ebay.
My decision was between the tivx new models and this Tomacro.
I really don't care about the FTP cause I own two laptops connect trought wireless and its easy to fill the hard drive of the limHD200i trought the usb and a laptop that can reach the main desktop computer.
My main concern was a stable reader of HD files 720p and 1080p...and 1080p WMV-HD
Also a player that could improve the quality of the xvids that my dvdplayer doesn't do it, especially when connect with my 52' 1080p LCD Sharp Aquos.
This its my main expections with the limHD200i.
I heard about the problems with the FW and the HDMI output, so I ask...which is the firmware that I should upgrade that doesn't destroy the HDMI port?
I have some MKV's but I would love to convert them trought the "oldpainless68" method..if I can get some help with the troubles that I found on the short guide.
He really found the holly grail..it's a quick conversion that helps all this discussion about the player supports on MKV.
both Tivx and tomacro models seem to smooth play this remuxed avi, you don't loose quality, and better in the case of several soundtracks (english, chinese) you can just choose one and save hard disk space...the mkv download it's like downloading a rar file, cause this process shouldn't take more than 15 minutes...I would love to try it!!!

Miguel

Hi-Jack

09-24-07, 03:20 PM

[QUOTE=av_noob;11712317]
I see DVICO in the dust far far behind the lim by now. :D
QUOTE]

No it's not. It has issues with audio drops like Tomacro and performs less in
bitrates than Tomacro but let's be honest that half the options in the wishlist
for Tomacro are already available on the TviX and that's it quite a decent
player with "general attitude". If Tomacro becomes as good a player in HD as
DvICo is in SD with added HD, then we would absolutely recognize it as the
HD master but it's not there yet and mostly due to missing options and some
issues...

Further DvICo already supports 24p, has no issues with subtitles,
has FTP and several other items on the wishlist of the Tomacro for future
updates... Anyway, no need to get into that story again. Tomacro seems to
become better and I hope nothing crucial is broken in the next release that
give critics (me :-) ) new reasons to doubt their QA and finesse... (3 X in a
row is painfull the least)

Oldpainless, contacted FAN, he's trying to hunt down a link for me from dev.
Won't be easy witht the hollidays over there right now... (3 days closed).

enjoy

ChristopheCherel

09-24-07, 04:31 PM

hi!
I have mine!!
Yahooo!
But impossible to upgrade it!...
I tryed 10 times!
I downloaded beta 2 and beta 3, extract inside "update" folder in inside disque.

It is firmware 1.60beta-070710.

Upgrade App = ok
Bak App = ok
Upgrade Boot = impossible... after clic, it don't move 5 sec and i see again the button. And when i move up i see button Upgrade App, and if i go down, the button Bak App appear.
Strange is'nt it?

ChristopheCherel

09-24-07, 05:08 PM

My Remote does'nt work :(
I change battery by new ones... not better!

phew

09-24-07, 05:26 PM

There is a post on here, -I cannot find it-, that says something like:

1>Upgrade boot
2>Upgrade aplication
3>Upgrade bak
You need to reboot after the 'Upgrade boot'

Find that post to confirm that this is correct.

Here is a Chinese->English translation I found from google:

1. The version (Version): Build 1.60beta2 - 070803

2. Escalatory steps:
1) firmware download and extract compressed files;
2) in high-definition players limHD200i IDE hard drive built-in the first district-update folder, if the folder is the escalation of past documents, you should upgrade the old backup files and the directory emptied; Then the new upgrade (bin) copied to update all folders;
3) limHD200i HD player will connect to your display device (TV, projector or monitor, etc.);
4) connected to power supply, and waiting in the main menu interface;
5) press the SETUP button on the remote control to enter the Setup menu, and operates key provision of the System menu;
6) Choose "Upgrade Boot ..." option upgrades, a few minutes after the display device blacked before shutdown, reboot again after five seconds;
7) Repeat 4) and 5) step;
8) Choose "Upgrade application ..." option upgrades, about 30 minutes blacked display device, and then shut off after five seconds boot again;
9) Repeat 4) and 5) step;
10) Choose "APP BAK" upgrade options, about 10 minutes that blacked equipment, and then shut off after five seconds boot again;
11) Upgrade completed normal use.

In subsequent escalation in case of power outages and other factors have led to escalation of accidents failure to ensure that all documents have been copied to upgrade built-in hard drive update directory, moving in the boot of the top players limHD200i HD board the OK button keypad, and VFD all bright lights can be loosened OK button, then machinery automatic updates, waiting for 40 minutes, upgrades completed VFD extinguished manually shutdown, reboot again five seconds later, normal use.

phew

09-24-07, 05:33 PM

> There is a post on here
The functions of 0625 firmware :
This new version increases the approaches to prevent Deadlock and add the escalation function of USB devices!
Specific ways:
1. Put update folder on the first Division of IDE hard drive.
2. Implement SETUP \ BOOT firstly; After TV screen turning black, turn off the machine and reset it after 5 seconds
3. Implement SETUP \ application; After about 25 minutes, Turn off the machine when you find the TV screen has turned black; Reset it after 5 minutes.
4. Implement SETUP \ application BAK
After doing the above steps, the upgrade process is completed. You need to press OK key on the key If you in the subsequent escalation of the process in case of power outages and other unexpected factors lead to the escalation of failure, need at boot time continues to mark the OK button keys, etc. VFD all bright lights can be loosened OK button; In addition, we can not do the upgrade can not be implemented in U disk. We can only achieve it in IDE hard drive at present.

I'm also getting a feeling that upgrading may somehow need to be done from 1 release to the next rather than from early release to latest!?
...just a hunch, I have no data to back that up.

av_noob

09-24-07, 06:30 PM

I see DVICO in the dust far far behind the lim by now. :D

No it's not. It has issues with audio drops like Tomacro and performs less in
bitrates than Tomacro but let's be honest that half the options in the wishlist
for Tomacro are already available on the TviX and that's it quite a decent
player with "general attitude". If Tomacro becomes as good a player in HD as
DvICo is in SD with added HD, then we would absolutely recognize it as the
HD master but it's not there yet and mostly due to missing options and some
issues...

Heh. It wasn't 10 minutes after I left my computer I thought .. somebody is going to dig into that statement. Let me just claify by saying if Tomacro fixes at least the 4 items oldpainless stated here:

1 HDMI selection fixed - ASAP in progress, current beta
2 720p/1080p MKV occasional sound drop fixed (I'm still sure this is due to the reading of the A/V timecode tables) in progress, current beta
3 WMV-HD with WMA 5.1 as 5.1 audio when digital encoded selected - added back in in progress, current beta
6 24hz option added (video mode for Hi-Def material) in progress, current beta

then the lim is really pulling ahead in the high-def race against its competitors. My comparison is strictly for HD material and nothing else.

hi!
I have mine!!
Yahooo!
But impossible to upgrade it!...
I tryed 10 times!
I downloaded beta 2 and beta 3, extract inside "update" folder in inside disque.

Did you follow my cheet sheet for firmware upgrades (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=11630023&postcount=1965)? Give it a try and report back here the results.

digitalkid2

09-24-07, 06:44 PM

av_noob

09-24-07, 06:48 PM

20a. to speed up the upgrade process too if possible. Waiting 30 minutes takes FOREVER!

russland

09-24-07, 07:05 PM

Let me just claify by saying if Tomacro fixes at least the 4 items oldpainless stated here:
then the lim is really pulling ahead in the high-def race against its competitors. My comparison is strictly for HD material and nothing else.

Similarly, if Dvico changes only 1 (one) following feature
* install read-only NTFS driver into their FW
then it would have NO competitors at all neither by functionality nor by performance :)

russland

09-24-07, 07:06 PM

20a. to speed up the upgrade process too if possible. Waiting 30 minutes takes FOREVER!

Well, this should be very low priority I believe.
How often are you going to upgrade your media player when its FW is perfect?

phew

09-24-07, 07:21 PM

av_noob

09-24-07, 07:22 PM

Similarly, if Dvico changes only 1 (one) following feature
* install read-only NTFS driver into their FW
then it would have NO competitors at all neither by functionality nor by performance :)

How is changing the r/w state of the NTFS driver going to remove macro-block? Have you tested this?

Well, this should be very low priority I believe.
How often are you going to upgrade your media player when its FW is perfect?

Its at the bottom of the list... heh.

russland

09-24-07, 07:31 PM

How is changing the r/w state of the NTFS driver going to remove macro-block? Have you tested this?

Macroblocking is not Dvico problem. They wait for low-level FW update from Sigma. Read-only driver will give the same performance in the high-bitrate files such as VC-1.
If Jack is right and TViX suffers from many features implemented and installed (such as FTP) then it won't be difficult to disable them from menu. Contrary, to implement FTP from scratch or to change FW upgrade process is not an easy task.

Btw, does limHD have no problems playing 1080p MKV files?

av_noob

09-24-07, 07:44 PM

Macroblocking is not Dvico problem.

That's like blaming a tomato farm on buying bad ketchup from heinz. If Divco's label is on it ... its Divco's problem.

Btw, does limHD have no problems playing 1080p MKV files?

It does as you already know this by reading the thread --I shouldn't have to outline it. But ... macro-block does not exist and can play much more HD content than TViX can (at the moment). I would suspect the lim to start sprinting waaayy ahead when the next firmware cut is made, IMHO.

russland

09-24-07, 08:24 PM

That's like blaming a tomato farm on buying bad ketchup from heinz. If Divco's label is on it ... its Divco's problem.

Well, I link the problem with entity who can fix it.
I removed all parties from the chain that participated in delivering player to me such as DHL, DigitalConnection and Dvico. None of these will fix macroblocking.

It does as you already know this by reading the thread --I shouldn't have to outline it.

Oh, yeah. It did like 30 pages ago (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=11391875#post11391875). However, I listen to objective people only, Kevin and Jack mostly (no offense to anybody). Until any of them confirms that one player can produce smooth playback and the other can't - until then it is just a marketing thread (which is quite good provided that so many people bought a device that didn't have a name).

av_noob

09-24-07, 08:41 PM

Well, I link the problem with entity who can fix it.
I removed all parties from the chain that participated in delivering player to me such as DHL, DigitalConnection and Dvico. None of these will fix macroblocking.

Fair enough, though why has Tomacro received the fix for Macroblocking whereas TViX has not? Ahh looks like the mechanism to receive "said fix" is broken somewhere along the lines of say Dvico's entity engagement --which of course is a Dvico problem.

Oh, yeah. It did like 30 pages ago (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=11391875#post11391875). However, I listen to objective people only, Kevin and Jack mostly (no offense to anybody). Until any of them confirms that one player can produce smooth playback and the other can't - until then it is just a marketing thread (which is quite good provided that so many people bought a device that didn't have a name).

There are leaders and there are followers. It takes both to make the world go round. ;)

russland

09-24-07, 08:50 PM

Fair enough, though why has Tomacro received the fix for Macroblocking whereas TViX has not?

Tomacro didn't get the fix. They fixed it themselves (or with help of a third-party). Same happened when Ziova or whoever rewrote network access increasing its speed twice. Dvico guys don't want to get inside low-level API and patiently wait for Sigma's update. This is all my assumption of course, I don't have any connection with any party mentioned.

gendvd

09-24-07, 11:35 PM

Maybe Jackie can get the answer to this:

What 'boot.bin' should be on the Lim?

03/07/2007 17:23 58,176 boot.bin

or

03/07/2007 10:18 58,128 boot.bin

...and, does having the incorrect version of these make any difference?
Hello!
Boot.bin is used to control the initialization of the machine, including the recognition of the built-in hard drive.The boot.bin are the same begining from 0710 firmware which need not upgrade. but for the firmware before the 0710, boot.bin document should upgrade
Jackie

gendvd

09-24-07, 11:40 PM

FAN, Jackie, Oldpainless...
Anyone can send me the new prelim beta by mail so we can verify stuff?

Sorry, now we are testing it.
Jackie

Hi-Jack

09-25-07, 01:25 AM

av_noob,
Based on your feedback, it could be ahead of DViCo after the next cut clearly but that
would mean DViCo should not develop further (which they do) and that Tomacro QA
must release an update without issues. As you said, people happy with LimHD200i only
require HD formats and nothing else and that's merily 20% of the total people interested
(some really need music and convenience along with playback) and the real HD fans
simply wait for the newer generation (now launched in China as Upgrade kit for older
players http://www.jdbbs.com/viewthread.php?tid=1445694&extra=page%3D1&page=1 )

If Tomacro releases a stable working cut we have no trouble recommending it to anyone demanding HD only above TViX providing they keep their performance intact in the
future and open direct communication thru community forums (which conflicts with
some items on the fixlist like FTP and using contact points that have nothing to do
with Tomacro).

I can see the Tomacro growing but I also see a limit as to how much they can grow...
It's a good bridge towards 3rd generation, it's not a replacement for it or alternative...
(Kind of like the TViX too which helps to ease the wait for "the real thing"...)

Enjoy

oldpainless68

09-25-07, 02:49 AM

Hi,

Thanks so much for this quick guide, but I'm having some problems and need your help.

First I have installed everthing that you have described:

full version of K codec (decoder settings as you described are setup also)

Hall Splitter

MKV Extract

Avi-Mux

My problem starts with the setp 1 (mkv2vfr)..I follow the instructions but each time that I open it...it opens and closes..it's a black window that disapears with a snap.
I manage to create a avi file from the mkv with gdsmux...

step 2
I don't have problems...works fine the extraction of the sound from the original mkv:)

Step 3
I join both files. The program acepts..butttt...whe I click on start..and I need to save the file he only let me save it on MKV????

Please, can you help me??

Thanks,

Miguel

After you have installed Haali, goto my computer and drill down untill you are at:

C:\Program Files\Haali\MatroskaSplitter and copy you MKV into this folder. Rename your MKV 1.mkv

Next, press the start button at the bottom of windows and select run and type cmd and press enter....you now have a dos screen...

keep typing cd.. untill you get to the c: prompt

next type cd program files\haali\matroskasplitter

now type mkv2vfr 1.mkv 1.avi and press enter...that's it....then follow the steps for extracting the audio file from the MKV and remuxing the new avi and the audio file in Avi-Mux.

Remember, this only works for 720p MKV's and not 1080p.

K

oldpainless68

09-25-07, 02:59 AM

Well, I link the problem with entity who can fix it.
I removed all parties from the chain that participated in delivering player to me such as DHL, DigitalConnection and Dvico. None of these will fix macroblocking.

Oh, yeah. It did like 30 pages ago (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=11391875#post11391875). However, I listen to objective people only, Kevin and Jack mostly (no offense to anybody). Until any of them confirms that one player can produce smooth playback and the other can't - until then it is just a marketing thread (which is quite good provided that so many people bought a device that didn't have a name).

Russland.....I've tested over 50 1080p MKV's and I can confirm that there is no macroblocking in any shape or form (1 file I had a slow mo issue with at one part of the film which created a/v sync issues, a sample is going across to Tomacro today, but I suspect it's a screwy encode)....the only issue is the same as the 720p (eg, audio drop now and again on AC3 soundtracks)

K

UPDATE: The 1080p MKV I had an issue with does exactly the same on my PC (duo core 3.8ghz with 2gig of ram!! and a GeForce 7600GT!!!!!)..

dp70

09-25-07, 04:19 AM

How's that deinterlacing looking, Kevin?

oldpainless68

09-25-07, 04:32 AM

How's that deinterlacing looking, Kevin?

Mark, to be 100% honest, I'm not that sure what I'm looking for. Only the bottom segments looks like it has any shimmer....and the flag looks crap...but there again all I watch is HD...so I'm probably not the best person to judge...any news from Jackie?

K

conker2007

09-25-07, 05:41 AM

Seems to me we need a forum moderator to take a look at this thread. Way too many postings that violate the rules, way to many that are purely greed driven.

Yes, I totally agree.
Neither it is a place for trading, nor it's for some so-called commentators.

I do believe that they are intended for some mischief for the sake of their own benefit. Can they be called experts by playing a deep game?? Some just want to exaggerate the weak points of one young product in the cost of distorting facts! I didn't see anything they've ever done for the progress of this young product, but crazily declaring themselves to be absolute right. For the benefit of end-users, the main point here is to make limHD200i be more mature and help Tomacro to be one real competitor. Actually Tomacro did it and they are making efforts by the kind group here. Personally I think the bad effects of their deeds are no less than the over-advertisment of one reseller. Do they want to kill this young product? I hope to see the real competition appears.

oldpainless68

09-25-07, 06:20 AM

Hi-Jack

09-25-07, 06:52 AM

Yes, I totally agree.
Neither it is a place for trading, nor it's for some so-called commentators.

I do believe that they are intended for some mischief for the sake of their own benefit. Can they be called experts by playing a deep game?? Some just want to exaggerate the weak points of one young product in the cost of distorting facts! I didn't see anything they've ever done for the progress of this young product, but crazily declaring themselves to be absolute right. For the benefit of end-users, the main point here is to make limHD200i be more mature and help Tomacro to be one real competitor. Actually Tomacro did it and they are making efforts by the kind group here. Personally I think the bad effects of their deeds are no less than the over-advertisment of one reseller. Do they want to kill this young product? I hope to see the real competition appears.

I wonder who you would be talking about.
To help make progress they would have to release beta firmware so we can
help them evolve. I guess we are looking at the Tomacro in the same way
you are looking at TViX, only do we include reasons and facts in what we
say and not just what we think or feel.

That you and others dissagree with posts of people not pro Tomacro (yet?) does not mean they should be silenced or not be heard. I also have no idea where you get "the personal benefit" from as I'm not a reseller, nor earning a penny on any player sold and i don't care which one sells better than the other. I care for getting value for money, progress, Fun, Action, support and QA. Things i not yet see combined with Tomacro but hopefully eventually will...

untill then, you can have your opinion, allow me mine without going down the road of "trying" to bring in untrue items to discussions to try discrediting people not so happy about Tomacro like you. hence, that's what a discussion is about.

This thread is a discussion, not a Tomacro help forum although they do get a
lot of help from guys like gendvd and oldpainless68 and luckily they do, or things would look even worse. It's not the purpose of
any forums to be limited to supporting brands. It's for people like you, and unfortunately also people like me.

And no, we don't kill it though we show people more clearly what they get and we are a limiting factor (believe it or not)
It's not even our intention to cause them less sales, we want the proper messages out there about Tomacro and LimHD200i
and not messages from those making a living out of it as they announced things overly positive...

I still do not recommend the LimHD200i because of the reasons i mentioned so many times already. If the new cut is available (and doesn't break key features) i'd be hapy to start recommending it but that will be on value for money and good working features and not on some files it plays well inside a half broken beta release. Don't see where the problem is with that...

Enjoy
Hi-Jack

pc01

09-25-07, 07:12 AM

phew

09-25-07, 07:22 AM

It's not even our intention to cause them less sales

hence, i'm personally responsible for holding back hundreds of LimHD's in EU as long as i'm not happy

Hmmm.

oldpainless68

09-25-07, 07:23 AM

K or any other experts,
OK, I gave up trying to export from Adobe PPro CS3 to other formats. I could not figure out. But it allows to export with another container .3GP or simply leave it as M4V. Only M4V plays, but perhaps not very efficient, cause it stutters. Now, is there any free programs out there they can pack a M4V into a MKV that Lim can accepts? Cause lim can not see 3GPs. Thanks again, I am very new at this.

Perry

M4V is just another variation of MP4....I've taken a look around and it looks like you'll need to re-encode it to another file format.......why not just use a different tool to encode your captures?

K

UPDATE - Don't know if this will take your M4V (or just rename it to MP4) or prehaps your raw capture........http://www.videohelp.com/tools/RipBot264

Hi-Jack

09-25-07, 07:50 AM

Hmmm.

That means, many resellers add products on our recommendation and
currently we not recommend them because of "broken things" and limitations
against their cost price. The HD doesn't work "that good" for €400. We want
to recommend it if we can verify it's working well (and not based on other
resellers statements or a few die hard fans only using HD files)

So yes, we are causing them less sales, not because that is our intention,
but because we do not recommend it yet. Big difference between these two...
(We do not force resellers to "not add them", just many do follow our advice)

Guess it all depends on interpreting things.

pierdolis

09-25-07, 08:34 AM

After you have installed Haali, goto my computer and drill down untill you are at:

C:\Program Files\Haali\MatroskaSplitter and copy you MKV into this folder. Rename your MKV 1.mkv

Next, press the start button at the bottom of windows and select run and type cmd and press enter....you now have a dos screen...

keep typing cd.. untill you get to the c: prompt

next type cd program files\haali\matroskasplitter

now type mkv2vfr 1.mkv 1.avi and press enter...that's it....then follow the steps for extracting the audio file from the MKV and remuxing the new avi and the audio file in Avi-Mux.

Remember, this only works for 720p MKV's and not 1080p.

K

Just to say that worked PERFECTLY!!! Thanks a lot oldpainless68, very grateful for you detail guide for setp 1 :)

This method that you discover is great. As soon my LimHD200i will arrive I will try:)

Another question...just curious...why doesn't work with 1080p???

oldpainless68

09-25-07, 08:41 AM

Just to say that worked PERFECTLY!!! Thanks a lot oldpainless68, very grateful for you detail guide for setp 1 :)

This method that you discover is great. As soon my LimHD200i will arrive I will try:)

Another question...just curious...why doesn't work with 1080p???

MKV2VFR works for VFR MKV's, but also don't forget MKV2TS (version .85 & .86 have been posted in this thread) which work for 98% (CFR) of 720p MKV's to TS.

Not sure why it doesn't work for 1080p.....but bear in mind, you don't really need to do all this anymore because the Lim now supports 720p and 1080p MKV playback. There is a bug which is being fixed that causes 720p & 1080p MKV's with an AC3 audio track to drop the audio for a split second (eg a 1/4 of a second) now and again. 720p & 1080p MKV's with a DTS track don't have this problem.

K

russland

09-25-07, 08:52 AM

the only issue is the same as the 720p (eg, audio drop now and again on AC3 soundtracks)

This is a judgment I was referring to. Not like some people screaming that lim or tvix can play 1080p smoothly. Both devices have some small issues (tvix - macroblocking on some files, lim - audio drops on some files). Now lets wait who fixes their problems first and how fast the other party responds.

P.S. You watched 50 MKV movies? Oh man, this is the road to insanity :D

oldpainless68

09-25-07, 08:56 AM

This is a judgment I was referring to. Not like some people screaming that lim or tvix can play 1080p smoothly. Both devices have some small issues (tvix - macroblocking on some files, lim - audio drops on some files). Now lets wait who fixes their problems first and how fast the other party responds.

P.S. You watched 50 MKV movies? Oh man, this is the road to insanity :D

Well, kinda meant tested....sitting down to watch 50 movies might take a while!....lol

I take your point, but the Lim is playing 1080p MKV's...no picture break up or macroblocking, and no audio drop on DTS MKV's (720/1080)...hopefully the audio drop on AC3 MKV's will be fixed very soon..

This is not a leading question, but is the Tvix playing any 1080p MKV's without macroblocks?

Cheers

K

pierdolis

09-25-07, 09:39 AM

MKV2VFR works for VFR MKV's, but also don't forget MKV2TS (version .85 & .86 have been posted in this thread) which work for 98% (CFR) of 720p MKV's to TS.

Not sure why it doesn't work for 1080p.....but bear in mind, you don't really need to do all this anymore because the Lim now supports 720p and 1080p MKV playback. There is a bug which is being fixed that causes 720p & 1080p MKV's with an AC3 audio track to drop the audio for a split second (eg a 1/4 of a second) now and again. 720p & 1080p MKV's with a DTS track don't have this problem.

K

Questions:

-MKV's with ac3 now and again drop the audio, does that happen with the avis (H.264) created by your method? Asking cause they keep the original audio track of ac3.

-This new beta firmware (Version: Build 1.60beta3-070914) still has problems
with the HDMI??? Asking this cause I don't want to upgrade the limHD as soon it arrives and loose the HDMI connection. Better to see the films with your process (avi H.264) till that problem will be solved.

Thanks!

oldpainless68

09-25-07, 09:58 AM

Questions:

-MKV's with ac3 now and again drop the audio, does that happen with the avis (H.264) created by your method? Asking cause they keep the original audio track of ac3.

-This new beta firmware (Version: Build 1.60beta3-070914) still has problems
with the HDMI??? Asking this cause I don't want to upgrade the limHD as soon it arrives and loose the HDMI connection. Better to see the films with your process (avi H.264) till that problem will be solved.

Thanks!

Re Q1 - Nope, no audio drop (as I have mentioned, I'm pretty sure the issue with audio drop with AC3 MKV's is caused by the incorrect reading of the audio and video timecode tables - MKV's store these at container level, and the audio and video can have different timecodes that need reading seperately to avoid sync or audio drop issues)
Re Q2 - Only one or two folks has seen any issues with HDMI (sometimes after rebooting it defaults to SD, but you just change it back to HDMI in the menu's)

K

muad'dib

09-25-07, 10:45 AM

This is not a leading question, but is the Tvix playing any 1080p MKV's without macroblocks?

Cheers

K

Hello..

I have been able to play several 1080p MKV's DD/DTS AVC with no probs on my Tvix.. But many others still have the block noise, but should be fixed soon..:)

oldpainless68

09-25-07, 10:51 AM

Hello..

I have been able to play several 1080p MKV's DD/DTS AVC with no probs on my Tvix.. But many others still have the block noise, but should be fixed soon..:)

Ok, thanks for the info...should be interesting to see who perfects it first....which can only be good for everyone....just one other question - how loud is the fan?

K

muad'dib

09-25-07, 10:58 AM

Ok, thanks for the info...should be interesting to see who perfects it first....which can only be good for everyone....just one other question - how loud is the fan?

K

No probs...:)

I don't have a HDD installed, so I set the fan setting to "low".. There are a few different speeds you can choose, thus making the fan louder or softer..

With the NORMAL setting the fan is actually not bad at all.. You can hear it, but not very loud.. After warrany, some will replace the fans with higher grade ones.. But I'm happy with the noise..:)

oldpainless68

09-25-07, 11:03 AM

No probs...:)

I don't have a HDD installed, so I set the fan setting to "low".. There are a few different speeds you can choose, thus making the fan louder or softer..

With the NORMAL setting the fan is actually not bad at all.. You can hear it, but not very loud.. After warrany, some will replace the fans with higher grade ones.. But I'm happy with the noise..:)

Ok...once again, cheers......doesn't sound too bad, I assume that with no internal hard drive, less heat = lower fan setting.

That is one of the things I do like about Tomacro's thinking with the Lim - alloy casing = no fan....(well somone had to recycle all those bomb casings from the Ex-USSR...lol)

Anyways...I guess both camps are waiting for their new cuts......the MKV community must be having a feild day - they didn't think MKV players would be out for another year or 2...

K

pc01

09-25-07, 11:04 AM

Kevin,
I think you are right on the container is the problem. Cause if I don't use a container, it works, but perhaps stutters because of high bit rate. I am going to try lowering it. But, I think I have a slightly different prosepctive from you folks in the forum to come up with the final products (I could be wrong). I am a casual video editor, but most of my video are from things I actually taped. e.g wedding. I cut them in the non-linear editor (like Premiere Pro CS3). To edit a video then encoded it to say HD, I am limited to the supported containers (MP4 and 3GP or none, which become M4V) So, now I have to find a way to encode to M4V that is acceptable to the lim and yet maintain excellent PQ. Or find another software that will repackage the M4V into MKV or some other containers that Lim can handle.

Jackie,
I have waited for almost a week now, still not a word from TNT when they will be fetching for my defected unit.

Perry

oldpainless68

09-25-07, 11:10 AM

Woziak

09-25-07, 12:20 PM

Does the Lim support EXT3 filesystem on the internal HD?

LianLi

09-25-07, 12:24 PM

When is the new firmware suppose to be out? Nov?

oldpainless68

09-25-07, 12:42 PM

When is the new firmware suppose to be out? Nov?

Jackie might be able to give you an idea...before Nov I suspect..lol

K

oldpainless68

09-25-07, 12:43 PM

Does the Lim support EXT3 filesystem on the internal HD?

Don't know - but one of the other guys will...

K

pc01

09-25-07, 12:52 PM

Kevin,
Bit rate: CBR @ 32 and from external USB HDD. When I go home, I will try it on internal HDD instead.

Perry

Hi-Jack

09-25-07, 03:12 PM

Don't know - but one of the other guys will...

K

Ext3 file system.
No is the correct answer. It doesn't support it.
(not listed in the specs at Tomacro http://www.tomacro.com/english/Product_Para.htm)

As to a lot of people asking me about why no SATA is used in the LimHD200i...
Beside the fact SATA hard drives are easier to find in bigger sizes nowadays, there is no benefit from using SATA or IDE,
both drive types perform above the chip’s maximum IO performance so both will have equal speed and performance
concerning HDD. (there are deeper differences possible like file system, read only or read/write etc... that influence
performance but nothing related to the drive types itself)

Notice that Tomacro uses IDE while also DVICo uses IDE basically (IDE to SATA bridge), which they done because of the
easier to find SATA drives. Currently there's still reasonable amounts of IDE drives available that it should not realy be a
deciding factor for either player...

Enjoy

oldpainless68

09-25-07, 03:57 PM

Kevin,
Bit rate: CBR @ 32 and from external USB HDD. When I go home, I will try it on internal HDD instead.

Perry

Ok...let us know how you get on...

K

pc01

09-25-07, 08:43 PM

Kevin and others,
Here is the conclusion of my tests, but first the facts:
1. Encoding in 1920x1080 despite of frame rate (25-32) into MP4 formats fails every time.
2. Encoding in 1920x1080 despite of frame rate (25-32) into MV4 formats (plain MPEG) works in internal HDD without drop frames - however, no audio because it creates a seperate PCM wav files. (I wish there is a program that will combine it again but not in Adobe, because it does not work)
3. Encoding in 1440x1080 despite of frame rate (25-32) into MP4 formats works like a chime! But, I guess in sacrificing some size. (The original HDD file size is 1920x1080.
4. I tried using some third part to re-can an m4v to mkv and that does not work (VirtualDubMod).

Conclusion from me, Either Adobe can not produce a proper acceptable MP4 and/or other container OR Lim can not take 1920x1080 MP4s. Personally, I believe is the former, because H.264 encoding is also very immature with Adobe. I will stick with smaller frame size for now.

Thanks guys.
Perry

russland

09-25-07, 09:16 PM

Perry, do you have a small sample of your 1920x1080 in MP4 format?

conker2007

09-25-07, 10:57 PM

Kevin and others,
2. Encoding in 1920x1080 despite of frame rate (25-32) into MV4 formats (plain MPEG) works in internal HDD without drop frames - however, no audio because it creates a seperate PCM wav files. (I wish there is a program that will combine it again but not in Adobe, because it does not work)

What AUDIO configration do you set? 'DPCM' or 'Encoded Digital'?

conker2007

09-26-07, 01:06 AM

I wonder who you would be talking about.
To help make progress they would have to release beta firmware so we can
help them evolve. I guess we are looking at the Tomacro in the same way
you are looking at TViX, only do we include reasons and facts in what we
say and not just what we think or feel.

That you and others dissagree with posts of people not pro Tomacro (yet?) does not mean they should be silenced or not be heard. I also have no idea where you get "the personal benefit" from as I'm not a reseller, nor earning a penny on any player sold and i don't care which one sells better than the other. I care for getting value for money, progress, Fun, Action, support and QA. Things i not yet see combined with Tomacro but hopefully eventually will...

untill then, you can have your opinion, allow me mine without going down the road of "trying" to bring in untrue items to discussions to try discrediting people not so happy about Tomacro like you. hence, that's what a discussion is about.

This thread is a discussion, not a Tomacro help forum although they do get a
lot of help from guys like gendvd and oldpainless68 and luckily they do, or things would look even worse. It's not the purpose of
any forums to be limited to supporting brands. It's for people like you, and unfortunately also people like me.

And no, we don't kill it though we show people more clearly what they get and we are a limiting factor (believe it or not)
It's not even our intention to cause them less sales, we want the proper messages out there about Tomacro and LimHD200i
and not messages from those making a living out of it as they announced things overly positive...

I still do not recommend the LimHD200i because of the reasons i mentioned so many times already. If the new cut is available (and doesn't break key features) i'd be hapy to start recommending it but that will be on value for money and good working features and not on some files it plays well inside a half broken beta release. Don't see where the problem is with that...

Enjoy
Hi-Jack

Hi-Jack,if I am right you recon that you are honest and have the reputation of good faith. Why not show us a detailed Tvix4100 bug list? Do make your bug list reflect the true case of Tvix4100 in this thread or Tvix's thread. If you can keep yourself fair to comment without any strongpoints puffery or weakpoints neglect, we will admit that you are honest.

chuna

09-26-07, 01:34 AM

Ext3 file system.
No is the correct answer. It doesn't support it.
(not listed in the specs at Tomacro http://www.tomacro.com/english/Product_Para.htm)

As to a lot of people asking me about why no SATA is used in the LimHD200i...
Beside the fact SATA hard drives are easier to find in bigger sizes nowadays, there is no benefit from using SATA or IDE,
both drive types perform above the chip’s maximum IO performance so both will have equal speed and performance
concerning HDD. (there are deeper differences possible like file system, read only or read/write etc... that influence
performance but nothing related to the drive types itself)

Notice that Tomacro uses IDE while also DVICo uses IDE basically (IDE to SATA bridge), which they done because of the
easier to find SATA drives. Currently there's still reasonable amounts of IDE drives available that it should not realy be a
deciding factor for either player...

Enjoy

Its also because the Sigma board only uses IDE so if you see a SATA available player, its only because they have used a IDE to SATA connector to make it work. Natively only IDE is supported in all 862X boards.

dp70

09-26-07, 01:58 AM

And so the hacking begins... (http://www.lundman.net/wiki/index.php/LimHD200i)

Hi-Jack

09-26-07, 02:09 AM

As in here we have people report issues and bugs and we bring them to the
manufacturer without alterations, we do not hide messages or do other
manipulations so everything anyone says is open in public though we do add
a more complete opinion to stories we feel are incomplete (just like here with
the Tomacro. I'm merily stating what is my opinion froma crowd of 50.000
people and their demands / requirements over the years made...

Does TViX have issues? Off course it has. Does tomacro? Yes it has.

I'm not going to defend myself. If my comments are checked, people will find
there's a reason behind them. They are unimportant if you want HD only but
very important if you want decent ISO and SD support beside the HD... and
there remains the fact i would expect to get more for €400 than what
Tomacro offers thus far.

All that and some things concerning Tomacro itself (like communication
lacking, no open beta tests before coming to public and avoid the mistakes
made so far with any release, claiming credits for things they did not even
develop (VC-1) and so on) cause a total negative opinion. We don't look at
just "HD", we combine the player, quality, development, communication and
everything else into a total package. That's what the customer is buying.

Agree they are new to the market and we should be a little flexible but it's
not us stating "we are the leading manufacturar since years of media players"
while this is their first product and it not even works adequately to disserve
the €400 price tag. You dissagree with that? Fine, I 'don't...

If we'd compare features between Tomacro and TViX the LimHD200i will be
very shy. If we compare bugs and issues, most likely DViCo will have more
issues but that can be reasoned with having tons of features more to ahve
issues with where the Tomacro does not have these functions / features.

Both players are very different, but as said before, the TViX is a generic
media player using a chip designed for that. Tomacro is a EM8634 wannabe
without the power it needs to assure a bright future... Only time will tell if I
was right or wrong...

I see both players as a bridge to EM8634, not an alternative... and as far as
versatility and fun goes, DViCo is the absolute winner over the Tomacro and
that doesn't mean Tomacro can't become fun or good... So far it isn't in my
humble and personal opinion and the way things evolve don't pump confidence
my way either.

So, for my opinion to change:

01 - HDMI issues must be fixed
02 - H.264 sound drops must be fixed
03 - 24p must be added
04 - ISO playback must be tuned (fails on subs and chapters)
05 - Company must do more of their communications directly (not hear say/been told)
06 - QA for releases must be improved (widen the beta test phase in public
instead of 2/3 people. Chances to detect issues as HDMI and mkv not
working would never slip thru)

These are not unreasonable demands for a €400 player to get value in return
for the investment. If the Tomacro wants to be as limited as it is, fine. But
that would mean it should become nearly perfect before I think that €400 is
a good investment against the alternatives coming up?

Like stated before, also the EM8634 players will take time to mature but if I
need to invest €400 into a player and follow maturity during a year to come, i
rather do it on a EM8634 with MMU designed to perform than on a EM8623
not designed for this purpose and kept within limitations.

You can't say i'm pro DVICo for H.264 as I stated more than enough times
both are just a bridge. I'm pro TViX because it has so much more to offer
beyond H.264 and no one, not even you, can ignore that... (Late arrival of
Tomacro and slow progress are aslo key factors to include here...)

Anyway, wish them the best and again, my opinion will only change if I have
reason to change it. Not because there is this common explanation of
Tomacro only wanting to be a HD player as if that's the case, they should
have used the EM8634 (which costs 10$ more) to be just that. pricing, specs
show it's a generic player. An AUDI moto built into a ferrari does not make it
a Ferrari... just a look a like / wannabe. Neither will it have it's performance...

So, that ends the story. Did not want to defend myself but I guess I did it
again. I'm realy open for all kinds of discussions and since your last message
was not provoking unlike messages before, I feel you at least earned another
explanation of my humble opinion so far...

True, i'm not as active in the TViX side, but there are not so many resellers
making a fuss about what goes right and not even shine a light on what's
wrong (except oldpainless, but he limited himself to HD only back then...)

Maybe one day we'll agree, maybe not...

Enjoy
Hi-Jack

oldpainless68

09-26-07, 02:46 AM

And so the hacking begins... (http://www.lundman.net/wiki/index.php/LimHD200i)

You know what he's like...he couldn't wait to get his spanners out..:D

K

gendvd

09-26-07, 03:46 AM

gendvd

09-26-07, 03:53 AM

Does the Lim support EXT3 filesystem on the internal HD?

EXT3 filesystem belongs to
Linux file system itself, but we did not add, as it is not necessory to
Plus system because it will enlarge the system and people rarely use it.
Jackie

gendvd

09-26-07, 03:56 AM

When is the new firmware suppose to be out? Nov?

Hello, the new firmware will integrate more functions and try to be perfect then publish. Now I am not sure of the concrete time
Jackie

conker2007

09-26-07, 04:20 AM

Hi-Jack

09-26-07, 04:22 AM

EXT3 filesystem belongs to
Linux file system itself, but we did not add, as it is not necessory to
Plus system because it will enlarge the system and people rarely use it.
Jackie

Who is "we"?
Do you work for Tomacro or are you a reseller or a reseller that started a
shop on the side while working for Tomacro? EXT3 is "prefered" for safety and
security as it is prefered by all MAC users and Linux users (they want to have
the least possible to do with Windows stuff including FAT32 and NTFS).

It's a benefit to have it for those who want it.

Enjoy
hi-jack

Hi-Jack

09-26-07, 04:32 AM

Hi-Jack, don't equivocate with us and we want a straight answer to a straight question! Could you please stop talking nonsense? You only need to make a bug list of Tvix4100SH by speaking the truth. You take it easy, don't you? It shouldn't be a difficult task for you.

I'm the one wasting a lot of hours in this forums to tell people what they are
buying and i'm taking it easy? Get real. I'm not giving up any more time
discussing with you as you dunno what you are talking about. You are looking
at things from personal need only but the world does not eveolve around you,
you know that, don't you?

if you want bugs, talk to people instead of shutting them up if they dissagree
with you (like us) and read some forum threads and you'll know what is wrong
with TViX... Do the same for Tomacro as obviously you still don't know what's
wrong zith it as you can't look passed it's HD performance...

I will not discuss my opinion any further. It's as valid as yours...

Enjoy
hi-jack

Hitomacro

09-26-07, 04:43 AM

:D

Really bad communication I know.

I am not as technical as you are here on the forum so I seldom speak lest that I say something wrong.

I am a little young girl, just forget it. :D

I need to translate your problems and questions to our technicians and it takes time! As there are lots of fussing and even fights? I am confused but I would be very happy to get you back with any questions if you take the time to send me an email.

BTW I don't think I have enough time to about this big forum but that doesn't mean I think your opnions or even complaints are less important...:):)

I will manage to keep us all in a good and fast mutual communication.

Bad English makes me awkward. Sorry.

Best regards
fan
Tomacro Tech.

Email: tomacro_fan@hotmail.com

T3HZ

09-26-07, 04:57 AM

conker2007

09-26-07, 04:58 AM

I'm the one wasting a lot of hours in this forums to tell people what they are
buying and i'm taking it easy? Get real. I'm not giving up any more time
discussing with you as you dunno what you are talking about. You are looking
at things from personal need only but the world does not eveolve around you,
you know that, don't you?

if you want bugs, talk to people instead of shutting them up if they dissagree
with you (like us) and read some forum threads and you'll know what is wrong
with TViX... Do the same for Tomacro as obviously you still don't know what's
wrong zith it as you can't look passed it's HD performance...

I will not discuss my opinion any further. It's as valid as yours...

Enjoy
hi-jack

A real fair and faithful Hi-Jack would appear if the sun were to rise from the west.

Don't forget your principles for trivial winnings or we will feel sad for you.

cHarOn99

09-26-07, 05:11 AM

lol conker why you dont read the tvix threads if you wanna see the bugs? i stand to hi-jack because he is right, i also have an sample from tommacro and when you compare devices like dvico, tommacro, ziova CS510 (8620), iamm NTD36hd (8621) or syabas (8634) devices then you will understand hi-jack. This device is more beta then other devices could be. But if you like it and you have all features in you want then be happy 80% of buyers wouldnt be happy with that.

cHarOn

Hi-Jack

09-26-07, 05:13 AM

Actually I don't think you need to look much further than the Lim's HD performance. It looks good and it works great as is. It is not a rushed beta product. The hard work has been done. They have proved they are serious players. The connectivity issues are being addressed. It is well worth the $400 now and I hope to be reselling lots.

Honestly, from resellers I don't expect any different statement than that.
It kinds of proof my point they only see what's good and the price only offers
you good profits so €400 is a good price... for resellers and Tomacro... not so good for consumers.

Not rushed to market? All players are rushed in this segment. A week ago the Tomacro couldn't handle mkv right and it didn't handle it at all 2 months ago.
Anyway, people can decide upon them to go for one or not.

Fan,
No argue there about communications but not everything is technical. There
are ways for Tomacro to improve asside from the player itself like opening
beta testing to more people, quick fixing issues (like HDMI now is not a big
fix), offer some expected dates for the next cut etc... Informed people tend
to get less sensitive... ( not me, i'm insensitive :-) )

Still waiting for that link...

Woziak

09-26-07, 06:17 AM

EXT3 filesystem belongs to
Linux file system itself, but we did not add, as it is not necessory to
Plus system because it will enlarge the system and people rarely use it.
Jackie

Since the OS of the Lim is Linux i would have expected it to support ext2/3-filesystem...
I'm a Mac user and Mac OSX does only support reading of NTFS volumes...
For this product to be interesting for me it would have to support something other than NTFS (EXT2/3 and/or HFS+) to handle my +4GB files. :(

Hi-Jack

09-26-07, 06:28 AM

A real fair and faithful Hi-Jack would appear if the sun were to rise from the west.

Don't forget your principles for trivial winnings or we will feel sad for you.

Conker, dear friend, you can't have decent conversations. I'm still throwing facts at you and all you can do is return personal comments. How old are you?

Here's a very simple FACT I invite you to respond too... and stick to it without getting personal if you can...

Tomacro pays licenses for certain formats and video's to be supported. Also
for picture formats and audio formats licenses are paid and these are charged
to consumers. If the LimHD200i only wanted to be a HD player the €400 is
including licenses paid for none HD playback stuff (images / music) which
they will not deliver decent functions upon because they want to
concentrate on HD playback. How does this match up?

So in the end it could have avoided costs now charged to consumers without
getting proper features for these. It's not their loss, they get the money, it's
a loss for consumers. In my stupid head that calls like a valid reason for
saying €400 is overpriced for HD only I would think, no?

And let's get things straight. Even people willing to have only HD could need
more than 1 source to serve data from, could be music fans as well etc... so
please don't argue Tomacro concentrates on HD alone as it never did from
the start. They do now, because it's convenient and stops people from
asking those features that could endanger their performance on HD, losing
from other alternatives on the market (TviX and IAMM NTD37HD)... It has
evolved to target H.264 mainly, it wasn't their intention from the start.

I hope they can handle stuff and become all they should become. I'll even
support them and help them, but not by being ignorant to facts and reality.
Yes it's the best H.264 player to buy, no it's not value for money (yet?).

It's not even hard to come up with all these but then again, i look further
than HD and personal needs... Some of you do too and i appreciate that,
trying to help (oldpainless and several customers). That changes what the
Tomacro could become tomorrow, not what it is today and since my opinion
is always based on "today", it sadly conflicts with dreamers believing in their
dream to come true.

Just one very small part of my humble uninteresting opinion...

Hi-Jack

09-26-07, 06:35 AM

Since the OS of the Lim is Linux i would have expected it to support ext2/3-filesystem...
I'm a Mac user and Mac OSX does only support reading of NTFS volumes...
For this product to be interesting for me it would have to support something other than NTFS (EXT2/3 and/or HFS+) to handle my +4GB files. :(

Second that. Needs EXT2/3 support added.
Oldpainless, can this be added to the list of recommendations / bugs /requests?

chuna

09-26-07, 06:56 AM

av_noob

09-26-07, 08:11 AM

It is not a rushed beta product. The hard work has been done. ... The connectivity issues are being addressed. It is well worth the $400 now and I hope to be reselling lots.

This is a joke right? Please we do not need another sales person telling everyone how great things are.

I hope they can handle stuff and become all they should become. I'll even
support them and help them, but not by being ignorant to facts and reality.
Yes it's the best H.264 player to buy, no it's not value for money (yet?).

So what, in you mind, will make it a good "value" for the money? Does the price have to come down or the feature set go up? I'm just trying to understand how the ratio is computed so I get a better understanding of your positioning.

Hi-Jack

09-26-07, 08:57 AM

In general, the feature set should improve regardless what the Tomacro is
mend to be, HD or general player. Things supported are not as advanced as
the playback of HD files (fluent ff/rw, smb, nfs, ISO support is all very very
basic like it was 2 years ago on the first players offering it. So much progress
is made by now of which we see nothing inside the Tomacro (to preserve
memory probably)

Improving SMB/NFS, FF/RW (trick play), FTP, EXT3, ISO etc... is must have...
I also consider as explained above, charging license cost for jpeg and music
files should be accompanied by features to use these in a convenient way
beyond click and play. We are passed that era of having raw playback.

We mainly compare all players based on their chip, feature list, how it all
works (freedom, convenience) and materials/QA and then compare the prices
along with that to see where big differences are... With Tomacro the big
advantage is the HD performace but just anything else is kept within
boundaries including handling files, networking resources, "media abilities"
and so on. It not only limits the players but also the customers as well.
(See example MAC users, people with multiple NAS / PC's, options as "step",
frame by frame, bookmark, fluent FF/RW, copy and deletion, creation play lists
etc... which gives convenience and fun to users to have them.

Anyway, things will evolve, but those would be some of the things i'd like to
see before I think it's worth it's price... Just alluminum and HD playback will
not cut it for me. It needs to have features, abilities, convenience in exchange
for the price a customer pays now and not the feeling that everything is limited,
except the price...

Enjoy

oldpainless68

09-26-07, 09:53 AM

Second that. Needs EXT2/3 support added.
Oldpainless, can this be added to the list of recommendations / bugs /requests?

Can somone talk me through this one.....is there a 4gig limit with Mac's?

K

pc01

09-26-07, 10:05 AM

oldpainless68

09-26-07, 10:09 AM

cHarOn99

09-26-07, 10:16 AM

mac cant handle ntfs to write only fat32 and there you have problems with dvd isos and big mkvs or other files bigger then 4gb

cHarOn

oldpainless68

09-26-07, 10:22 AM

mac cant handle ntfs to write only fat32 and there you have problems with dvd isos and big mkvs or other files bigger then 4gb

cHarOn

So, is this a case of the Mac needing to format a drive in a certain format, and then the Lim to recognise it? Also, how does the Tvix handle this?

Cheers

K

russland

09-26-07, 10:27 AM

OK all, thanks for your help in advance. If you truly want to see the "unplayable MP4", I will find a place to post it. Better yet, do you have a place I can post? (It is ~40s clip but ~150MB size. Therefore, I can't email) I also figured out for HDV standard is 1440x1080 with max potential at 1920x1440 (if pulled from HDMI port using special hardware card). I pulled from standard firewire, therefore, the original size is 1440x1080 and I forced PPro to encode it to 1920x1080. As a results, the file is corrupted to lim, but playable with excellent PQ in KMPlayer or VLC.

Jackie,
I will try to be patient.

Perry

Well, if you could make your clip less than 100MB then you could upload it to the rapid share (http://www.rapidshare.com/) service.

Btw, I don't understand why you upconvert your HDV 1440x1080 into 1920x1080 resolution. You won't have PQ improvement, however, the file size will increase many times. And I believe that those special hardware cards that can capture 1920x1080 from HDMI port only work with direct recording. This means that if you record your show onto HDV tape then it will be converted into 1440x1080 and no special card would help. I find such inconvenience of keeping your camera always connected to the laptop through HDMI cable during recording very huge drawback for better PQ.

av_noob

09-26-07, 10:31 AM

mac cant handle ntfs to write only fat32 and there you have problems with dvd isos and big mkvs or other files bigger then 4gb

cHarOn

Not natively but users can run MacFUSE (http://code.google.com/p/macfuse/) which does allowing writing to NTFS. I use it with success on my PowerBook. :)

oldpainless68

09-26-07, 10:37 AM

Not natively but users can run MacFUSE (http://code.google.com/p/macfuse/) which does allowing writing to NTFS. I use it with success on my PowerBook. :)

So there is a solution for Mac owners to get around this for putting files on NTFS drives...how would this work with say NFS shares with files on the Mac hard drive......do any other media players directly support the Mac format?

K

pc01

09-26-07, 11:15 AM

Kevin,
At HDV standard 1440x1080, it plays smoothly in internal or external USB HDD.

Russland,
It was just my naiveness that I thought all HDV has the potential to be 1920 and I want to see what Lim can handle. I should not upconvert the footages, like you said, it will not improve the PQ.

Perry

oldpainless68

09-26-07, 11:18 AM

cHarOn99

09-26-07, 11:34 AM

on nfs you dont have problems because then nfs makes the job but when you plug it into the usb from the pc then you can have problems, there would be ext2/3 better the tvix can ext2/3.

oldpainless68

09-26-07, 11:36 AM

on nfs you dont have problems because then nfs makes the job but when you plug it into the usb from the pc then you can have problems, there would be ext2/3 better the tvix can ext2/3.

Ok, thanks for the info....will look into it a bit more...

K

Johnny

09-26-07, 11:54 AM

Hi Fan,

May I ask when Tomacro will release the source code along with the toolchains according to the GPL? Since you are the Tomacro tech I though I would ask you about it.

lol...Ziova programmers are now begging Tomacro and Dvico for their source code:D If Ziova wants to play with the big boys, they will have to do their own work.

Johnny

09-26-07, 11:59 AM

chuna

09-26-07, 12:50 PM

lol...Ziova programmers are now begging Tomacro and Dvico for their source code:D If Ziova wants to play with the big boys, they will have to do their own work.

No its not begging for code. By law they are supposed to publish this. So if at all they are the ones skirting around it.

We have published our code according to the GPL (Johnny that is even if you know what it is lol, by your post you have no idea what you are talking about, if only you knew) as required by law. We are probably the only 862X chipset manufacturer to support both SMB (without limitations) and UPnP fyi so we are hardly wanting any help. We just want everyone to play fair is all rather than hiding from it.

cHarOn99

09-26-07, 01:15 PM

@chuna: i can tell you that the tommacro device is no concurrent for your device ;-) (i hope you get everything working in 2.0 firmware)

and he is correct tommacro has to bring out source about gpl

mfg cHarOn

Hi-Jack

09-26-07, 01:52 PM

lol...Ziova programmers are now begging Tomacro and Dvico for their source code:D If Ziova wants to play with the big boys, they will have to do their own work.

They need no help. They do a hell of a job on their own...
(Even I was surprised so you see, I can be positive :-) )
Ziova has the best and most versatile DVD player in the house based on EM8620...

And Johny,
I'm not ducking questions. I'm just not wasting time on both you die hard fans of trying to make me look bad. You really have to start trying harder as
so far I haven't seen any reason from the both of you which corrects my
statements to be less or more true then I posted them (simply because you
can't)...

Keep trying...
I have no trouble explaining things to people that actually can read, listen and understand.
Not even I have problems with what the both of you are doing all the time. I don't even care.

Jack is a big boy, and I can handle hundred of Johny boys and little Conkers simultaneously.
So either leave it be as it is, or keep provoking me. Either way, i'm more than willing to rob
your noses far up your limited minds a couple more times...

Enjoy

oldpainless68

09-26-07, 04:28 PM

They need no help. They do a hell of a job on their own...
(Even I was surprised so you see, I can be positive :-) )
Ziova has the best and most versatile DVD player in the house based on EM8620...

And Johny,
I'm not ducking questions. I'm just not wasting time on both you die hard fans of trying to make me look bad. You really have to start trying harder as
so far I haven't seen any reason from the both of you which corrects my
statements to be less or more true then I posted them (simply because you
can't)...

Keep trying...
I have no trouble explaining things to people that actually can read, listen and understand.
Not even I have problems with what the both of you are doing all the time. I don't even care.

Jack is a big boy, and I can handle hundred of Johny boys and little Conkers simultaneously.
So either leave it be as it is, or keep provoking me. Either way, i'm more than willing to rob
your noses far up your limited minds a couple more times...

Enjoy

That's strike 2 on the God complex thing....3rd strike and your in danger...

K

LianLi

09-26-07, 04:40 PM

They need no help. They do a hell of a job on their own...
(Even I was surprised so you see, I can be positive :-) )
Ziova has the best and most versatile DVD player in the house based on EM8620...

And Johny,
I'm not ducking questions. I'm just not wasting time on both you die hard fans of trying to make me look bad. You really have to start trying harder as
so far I haven't seen any reason from the both of you which corrects my
statements to be less or more true then I posted them (simply because you
can't)...

Keep trying...
I have no trouble explaining things to people that actually can read, listen and understand.
Not even I have problems with what the both of you are doing all the time. I don't even care.

Jack is a big boy, and I can handle hundred of Johny boys and little Conkers simultaneously.
So either leave it be as it is, or keep provoking me. Either way, i'm more than willing to rob
your noses far up your limited minds a couple more times...

Enjoy

Why don't you just leave this forum? I have stopped reading anything you have to say regardless if you’re right or not. Your attitude is terrible and you add zero value to people wanting information on the Lim. Have a nice day.

Thanks,
Enrique

Woziak

09-26-07, 05:22 PM

Not natively but users can run MacFUSE (http://code.google.com/p/macfuse/) which does allowing writing to NTFS. I use it with success on my PowerBook. :)
Thanks for the link, didn't know it could read/write NTFS volumes by now... But does it also allow you to format the drive with NTFS or can the Lim format the drive to NTFS?

Ok, thanks for the info....will look into it a bit more...

K
Although it isn't stated in the specs, the Tivx supports EXT2/3 filesystem, because it is the native filesystem of the OS it is running. For us Mac and Linux users this is a blessing compared to having to use NTFS... FTP acces would be helpfull too, but that's already on your wishlist...

Anyone with a Lim actualy tried to format the internal drive with EXT3? You never know...

NFS support is native on Mac OSX (based on BSD Unix) so no problem there.

The question that remains:
If i would buy a Lim today, would i be able to format the drive NTFS and write my files to it, using my Mac?

lundman

09-26-07, 06:08 PM

MacFUSE does work but only just. It is slow, and I had a lot of problems copying large things. (I would take 20 mins to copy one 4G file, then fail, so it was slow going).

For small things MacFUSE is fine. The larger things I use either the laptop (Windows) or Parallels running Windows. NFS and Samba are both fine, long term, they should add network capabilities. I'd prefer they just start NFSD (which is in the kernel) over FTP, any day. Which I could do now with EXT2. But I seem to remember EXT2 has its own problems.

Or, I could attempt to compile EXT3 as a kernel mod for 2.4.22. But that's why I looked at FUSE first. If Tomacro released the GPL parts it would be much easier to do so. However, I would rather have them fix the firmware, than to stop and sort out the GPL release.

av_noob

09-26-07, 06:54 PM

Jack is a big boy, and I can handle hundred of Johny boys and little Conkers simultaneously.
So either leave it be as it is, or keep provoking me. Either way, i'm more than willing to rob
your noses far up your limited minds a couple more times...

Them's fighting words there. :p

I've followed your comments/thoughts for a while now but have been mostly reserved. I have to confess though a lot of dicussion revolves around TviX vs Tomacro but the reality is that neither media players are on the same player field.

Yes both units have the same sigma chip but that doesn't mean both units are equal in that regard. The constant discussion over the units has caused nothing but upset for both camps that support them. Lets keep an open mind critically reviewing this simple fact.

dave843

09-26-07, 07:02 PM

...

Anyone with a Lim actualy tried to format the internal drive with EXT3? You never know...

...

I tried formatting the internal hard drive as ext2, and the HD did not show up on the list of available sources (where it normally lists HD1, USB, NETWORK(Samba), NETWORK(NFS) and SETUP). Since the HD did not show up in that list, there was no way of getting access to any files on the drive.

lundman

09-26-07, 07:59 PM

dave843: you would have to mount it yourself, as the 'curacao' program only looks for NTFS.

# mount /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part1 /mnt/HD1

and it should show up. But doesn't ext2 have 4Gb issues, and > 120Gb partition issues?

dave843

09-26-07, 08:17 PM

No. Even with the smallest block size, ext2 supports files up to 16GB with filesystems up to 2TB. See wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ext2#File_system_limits)

lundman

09-26-07, 09:09 PM

And so the hacking begins..

I would hardly call it hacking, I just want to help add new features. I've done Unix for 18 years, and embedded (although, games consoles) for 7 years so I'm quite at home here.

I have a different list of priorities I need to work, but I've kept it to myself as not to distract from the thread's list of fixes.

1 Play CSS DVDs. (Originals, I own a lot, and want to be able to play them)
2 Writable HD.
3 Network storage
4 Working dual AVI audio
5 Saved stop positions, both streamed media, and played DVDs.

1: Costs money for Tomacro, so probably not in their interest. Working on it myself instead. Although, if they used libdvdcss/libdvdread they could do it without official CSS license.

2: NTFS only makes sense if you use Windows, and only as USB. Once 3 is there, I will never plug it into USB again. I am no fan of ext3, but it would be faster, and native.

3: Enable NFSd (already in the kernel) and SMBd. Those are by far the best options. FTP is a hassle, but trivial to support so no reason why not.

4: Just a bug, I'm sure they will fix it.

5: With a writable HD, just make a Bookmarks/ folder and save there. No reason to have crappy limits like "last 5 only" etc.

Admittedly with release of the GPL parts things would be easier to code, or if they went to 2.6.x kernel.

I would like to help, for free! But I know that is just not feasible these days with everything having to be NDA'ed etc.

lundman

09-26-07, 09:11 PM

No. Even with the smallest block size, ext2 supports files up to 16GB with filesystems up to 2TB. See wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ext2#File_system_limits)

Ahh, then I would be very tempted to go that way. Just make it manually mount the HD on boot. It would be trivial to run FTPd, but I would rather attempt nfs or smbd. Hmmmmmm...

Tomacro: any plans at all regarding writable HD? If there are thoughts of it, then I shall wait. If you do not ever plan to make it a NAS, then I shall make it so myself.

dave843

09-26-07, 09:33 PM

I just tried formatting the internal HD as ext2. After manually mounting the drive on HD1, it still doesn't show up in the gui. I guess I'll have to try making it mount on boot (before curacao).

lundman

09-26-07, 10:15 PM

Huh, I would have thought that to work. But i guess 'curacao' will blindly issue mount -f ntfs when you click on it, and if it fails (which it will) not enter. One might have to change mount command to just return 0 when ntfs is attempted.. ick. Or patch curacao to ignore the failure. (or better yet, change curacao's -t ntfs, to -t ext2)

/dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part%d
/mnt/HD%d/
vfat
iocharset=utf8
%s%d
ntfs
nls=utf8
HDs is %d

Just an option... Or replace mount with shell script that ignores ntfs.

dave843

09-26-07, 10:36 PM

Hmmm, even mounting the HD before curacao starts doesn't help. Something later unmounts it. So by the time I can telnet in, it's not mounted.

lundman

09-27-07, 12:05 AM

Yeah, that is why I think you would have to change "mount" command, or patch curacao to say ext2 instead of ntfs. At least the latter you can do without changing firmware, just run a new curacao off samba/nfs until you get it right :)

gendvd

09-27-07, 12:26 AM

Since the OS of the Lim is Linux i would have expected it to support ext2/3-filesystem...
I'm a Mac user and Mac OSX does only support reading of NTFS volumes...
For this product to be interesting for me it would have to support something other than NTFS (EXT2/3 and/or HFS+) to handle my +4GB files. :(

OK! We will convey your request to TOMACRO development engineers.
Jackie

oldpainless68

09-27-07, 02:00 AM

OK! We will convey your request to TOMACRO development engineers.
Jackie

There you go guys...

K

Woziak

09-27-07, 04:21 AM

MacFUSE does work but only just. It is slow, and I had a lot of problems copying large things. (I would take 20 mins to copy one 4G file, then fail, so it was slow going)...
I guess the answer to my final question is no then... :(

There you go guys...

K
I guess it's top priority now... :D

1 question remains:
Is there a NTFS format option in the firmware or do you have to use a Windows PC for this?

lundman

09-27-07, 05:41 AM

I guess the answer to my final question is no then... :(

Is there a NTFS format option in the firmware or do you have to use a Windows PC for this?

The kernel has no support to write NTFS. The USB stuff just exports the device raw.

So, no, it can not.

Woziak

09-27-07, 07:50 AM

Thnx Lundman

oldpainless68

09-27-07, 09:02 AM

Upated Lim User requirments log:

1 HDMI selection fixed - ASAP in progress, current beta
2 720p/1080p MKV occasional sound drop fixed (I'm still sure this is due to the reading of the A/V timecode tables) in progress, current beta
3 WMV-HD with WMA 5.1 as 5.1 audio when digital encoded selected - added back in in progress, current beta
3.1 Select Multiple audio tracks in an AVI container
3.2 Use globally-set aspect ratio (4x3 or 16x9) when starting DVD playback
4 Add VC-1 as a supported codec in an MKV container
5 Deinterlace option
6 24hz option added (video mode for Hi-Def material) in progress, current beta
7 FTP support (copy, paste & delete)
8 Multiple NFS mounts
9 NAS support
9.1 EXT2/3 for Mac users
10 Evo container support (with multiple audio tracks)
11 Ability to use .m3u playlists
12 HD audio passthrough
13 FLAC support as an audio format and support for an audio track in MKV's
14 Video save points/resume
15 SRT support/font size etc
16 Password protection when accessing certain directories
17 Password protection for the setup menu
18 Hide unconfigured or non-present devices in the main menu (no USB drives present -> don't show USB menu, NFS server not pingable -> don't show NFS etc.)
19 Better fast forward and rewind navigation wherever it's technically possible

K

pc01

09-27-07, 09:32 AM

pc01

09-27-07, 09:34 AM

One more thing, is there a remote code for the Lim Remote so that I can program it to another programmable remote? Thanks.

Perry

digitalkid2

09-27-07, 09:43 AM

OK, for a newbee with the HD world, would someone explains how do you "rip" a commercial DVD or HD DVD to .mkv formats that lim support? What software do you use? How to get around the copy protection?

Perry
Just a minor but important point and that is that you DO NOT HAVE to rip commercial DVD content to .mkv, you could, since you would be doing the ripping, rip them to mpeg2 or some other video format. I am not debating the usefulness of .mkv but merely making the point that it is not a requirement. The should be able to play mpeg2 with AC3 audio just as well or better than mkv.

I have ripped all of my SD DVDs (about 150 or so) to mpeg2 either as a single mpeg2 file or as an ISO image. I do not re-encode because I have a lot of HDD space (cheap and easy). I have not ripped any HD DVD but IMO it is pretty senseless at this point in time to take very high PQ and re-encode it to something less, much less invest money in one format or the other. File size for HD DVD, BR or VMD is too big even for someone willing to have lots of HDDs. For now IMO if you have HD DVDs or BR DVDs just be happy and play them using the appropriate DVD player.

dp70

09-27-07, 09:48 AM

is there a remote code for the Lim Remote so that I can program it to another programmable remote?

Perry, this post (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=11695255#post11695255) has the file I made for the JP1 project for programming the limHD codes into any OneForAll remote (plus many rebranded models). You can also just load this file into the JP1 project's keymap-master spreadsheet to see all the button codes etc. The limHD remote uses a standard NEC1 protocol, so it can be easily added to programmable remotes.

But I wouldn't expect any off-the-shelf universal remotes to have limHD support already programmed in (i.e. accessed with a 4-digit code).

oldpainless68

09-27-07, 09:57 AM

Just a minor but important point and that is that you DO NOT HAVE to rip commercial DVD content to .mkv, you could, since you would be doing the ripping, rip them to mpeg2 or some other video format. I am not debating the usefulness of .mkv but merely making the point that it is not a requirement. The should be able to play mpeg2 with AC3 audio just as well or better than mkv.

I have ripped all of my SD DVDs (about 150 or so) to mpeg2 either as a single mpeg2 file or as an ISO image. I do not re-encode because I have a lot of HDD space (cheap and easy). I have not ripped any HD DVD but IMO it is pretty senseless at this point in time to take very high PQ and re-encode it to something less, much less invest money in one format or the other. File size for HD DVD, BR or VMD is too big even for someone willing to have lots of HDDs. For now IMO if you have HD DVDs or BR DVDs just be happy and play them using the appropriate DVD player.

That's a fair point....but I have to say most of the MKV (H-264 codec...x264 encoder) multipass encodes look as good as the original (even on my rig) so taking a 30gig BD down to DVD9 or even DVD5 saves alot of space..

K

oldpainless68

09-27-07, 09:58 AM

OK, for a newbee with the HD world, would someone explains how do you "rip" a commercial DVD or HD DVD to .mkv formats that lim support? What software do you use? How to get around the copy protection?

Perry

I agree with digitalkid2 on the the DVD's....don't bother re-encoding them (they look bad enough as it is compared to HD..lol)...just rip em to your hard drive as an ISO and put them in your shared folder, or transfer to your USB drive/Lim drive. If you have HD-DVD's that you want to rip to your hard drive.....see below

Search here

http://www.videohelp.com/

you will find all the answer's....(hint - DVDFab HD Decrypter & x264 Encoder if you want to convert)

K

madshi

09-27-07, 10:14 AM

I have not ripped any HD DVD but IMO it is pretty senseless at this point in time to take very high PQ and re-encode it to something less
I agree. But "ripping" and "reencoding" are two different things. You can rip without reencoding. You can rip and remux (which is not reencoding). Or you can rip and leave the files as they are.

digitalkid2

09-27-07, 10:25 AM

That's a fair point....but I have to say most of the MKV (H-264 codec...x264 encoder) multipass encodes look as good as the original (even on my rig) so taking a 30gig BD down to DVD9 or even DVD5 saves alot of space..

K
Yes yes it is watchable but it is a lot of re-encoding and complication that no matter how you slice it does reduce PQ. You have to admit that it seems rather counter productive and not really logical to spend the money on HD DVDs or BR only to dummy them down.

Just for grins, how long does it take you to rip, do a 2 pass h264 encode and wrap it all up in mkv for an average sized HD DVD video? Please provide your PC specs. On my older p4 2.53 I would estimate that it would take more than 24hours and I would still end up with a 7-9GB file. Most of my movie only SD mpeg2 rips are around 5GB.

digitalkid2

09-27-07, 10:27 AM

I agree. But "ripping" and "reencoding" are two different things. You can rip without reencoding. You can rip and remux (which is not reencoding). Or you can rip and leave the files as they are.
I do not have the two confused. And if you do not re-encode an HD DVD and you simply remux it then the file size will be as I said way too big to have any reasonable number of DVDs on HDD.

oldpainless68

09-27-07, 10:33 AM

Yes yes it is watchable but it is a lot of re-encoding and complication that no matter how you slice it does reduce PQ. You have to admit that it seems rather counter productive and not really logical to spend the money on HD DVDs or BR only to dummy them down.

Just for grins, how long does it take you to rip, do a 2 pass h264 encode and wrap it all up in mkv for an average sized HD DVD video? Please provide your PC specs. On my older p4 2.53 I would estimate that it would take more than 24hours and I would still end up with a 7-9GB file. Most of my movie only SD mpeg2 rips are around 5GB.

When you re-encode anything, you lose quality.....but, there are so many tools now for MKV encoding, you can end up with an encode that you would be hard pressed to tell any difference from the original....but you are right....it takes ages...I'd say anywhere from 8-18 hours (3.8 duo core, 2 gig ram)...but there's also the MKV scene....

Re the output size, some of the tools you can set the output as dvd5 or 9......on best quality settings of course it takes longer down to dvd5 as the encoder performs more passes to get the quality up....

K

russland

09-27-07, 11:32 AM

madshi

09-27-07, 11:32 AM

I do not have the two confused. And if you do not re-encode an HD DVD and you simply remux it then the file size will be as I said way too big to have any reasonable number of DVDs on HDD.
I have a 5TB server, easily expandable to 10TB. Is it enough for all HD movies out there? Surely not. But I only buy/store those movies which I really like. So it works for me.

russland

09-27-07, 11:36 AM

I have a 5TB server, easily expandable to 10TB. Is it enough for all HD movies out there? Surely not. But I only buy/store those movies which I really like. So it works for me.

Yeah, me too. I have a 1TB space for all the movies and series.
When I finish watching one I instantly delete it with a delete button.
If you ever need that movie again, well you know where to find it.

madshi

09-27-07, 11:42 AM

you can end up with an encode that you would be hard pressed to tell any difference from the original....
I don't really agree.

digitalkid2

09-27-07, 11:51 AM

I have a 5TB server, easily expandable to 10TB. Is it enough for all HD movies out there? Surely not. But I only buy/store those movies which I really like. So it works for me.
WOW I thought I had a lot of HDD space....1.5TB. In terms of HDD space you are running with the BIG dogs....however in the not too distant future 5-10-20TB will be common and IMO that is a better way to go than re-encoding perfectly good video!

digitalkid2

09-27-07, 11:56 AM

Yeah, me too. I have a 1TB space for all the movies and series.
When I finish watching one I instantly delete it with a delete button.
If you ever need that movie again, well you know where to find it.
I tend to keep the commercial DVD rips on my HDD and not delete for the convenience of watching it again at a later date. My wife and adult children re-watch movies on a regular basis. I even found that I will re-watch a movie given a long enough period time between viewings. I agree that there are some movies that no one will ever watch again and maybe when the time comes I will sort those out. It is just nice to know that all your DVD movies are there and can be selected for viewing when ever the desire strikes!

The vast majority of recorded stuff is watched and deleted though.

oldpainless68

09-27-07, 11:59 AM

I don't really agree.

Madshi...I'm very sure you've seen some of the MKV encodes doing the rounds (shooter dvd9 version, springs to mind as a very good example).......how far off the original would you say that is?

However, I respect your view...it's good enough for me on the Lim through HDMI on my Hitachi PJXT200.....so each to their own.....

So, this new firmware......any news Jackie?

K

oldpainless68

09-27-07, 12:11 PM

WOW I thought I had a lot of HDD space....1.5TB. In terms of HDD space you are running with the BIG dogs....however in the not too distant future 5-10-20TB will be common and IMO that is a better way to go than re-encoding perfectly good video!

Oh man...would I love a 20T drive.....

K

digitalkid2

09-27-07, 12:23 PM

The easiest solution would be to buy or rent an HDDVD/BlueRay with a movie you like and then download the ripped MKV version from the internet. This way you don't steal anything and you don't have to wait 24 hours - you can get a descent quality movie within 2-3 hours nowadays.
The downloaded ripped version is probably re-encoded and in IMO why bother!
Skip the downloading part and just pop the rented/purchased HD DVD or BR into the player and watch it in ALL of its glory! Otherwise do as Madshi does (5TB of HDD space) and simply rip the purchased material to HDD.

I guess if you did as I suggest that would take all the fun out of re-encoding and spending money on a media player such as the lim. IMO a good many people are more enamered with re-encoding than anything else. I will admit that taking your pc and putting it to work making something big, smaller....just seems really neat but in the end unless you are viewing stuff on a hand held device it really is not a logical thing to do (especially if you claim to be an HD-aholic)...but if you have fun doing it (shrinking video file size by re-encoding) then I guess that is reason enough for you to do it.

digitalkid2

09-27-07, 12:25 PM

Oh man...would I love a 20T drive.....

K
I was referring to 20TB of storage but not necessarily a single drive....but a single 20T drive would be nice!

pc01

09-27-07, 12:27 PM

Kevin and others, these are all great info and opinions. I appreciate that.

Mark, I will take a closer look at your txt file. So far, it does not make much sense to a non-programmer like me. Thanks though. I just want to make sure the remote does not die on me and I am left out in the cold. Cause from the feel of it, it is relatively cheap. Yes, the lim is pretty young, and the screws and gadges that comes with it feel somewhat primitive, but, the PQ and general designs is very attractive. (Just a little bigger than I expected.)

Perry

dp70

09-27-07, 12:32 PM

By the way, that text file isn't intended to be human-readable. You load it into a special Excel spreadsheet called keymap-master which you get in the file section at http://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/.

madshi

09-27-07, 01:13 PM

Madshi...I'm very sure you've seen some of the MKV encodes doing the rounds (shooter dvd9 version, springs to mind as a very good example).......how far off the original would you say that is?
Some weeks ago I did some comparisons between reencodings and originals and I always preferred the originals. So I've no interest at all in any reencodings. I've not seen the shooter reencoding.

The reencodings I've seen were most of the time a bit sharper than the original, but had noticably less detail. They were sharper because most reencoders are applying a sharpening filter. Of course it's no fair comparison if you don't apply a sharpening filter to the original, too! Here are some screenshots (taken from "Running Scared"). They compare a 720p x264 reencoding with the 1080p HD DVD original:

720p reencoding upscaled to 1080p.png (http://madshi.net/RunningScared/A.png)
1080p HD DVD original.png (http://madshi.net/RunningScared/B.png)

On a quick look many people prefer the reencoding because it seems to be sharper. But now check out the original after having sharpened it:

sharpened HD DVD.png (http://madshi.net/RunningScared/C.png)

Please draw your own conclusions. But IMHO the reencoding doesn't hold a candle to the original (regardless of whether it was sharpened or not). The problem is that on a quick check the reencoding appears to be sharper than the unsharpened original. That's why many people think that reencodings have a great image quality. But after having a more in depth look at the images you'll hopefully notice that there's noticably more detail in the original.

Hi-Jack

09-27-07, 01:56 PM

Maybe some people would like to test the newest cut?
Send me a PM :-) (max 5 so beta group expands a little)

Release Date: 21-09-2007 ( HDMI fix, still not working for me :-( , 24p added)
Tomacro will be checking it out tomorrow with engineering to see if they can be of any help.

russland

09-27-07, 02:30 PM

Please, make the discussion of the new beta FW public so that Dvico would work harder on its current bug fixes.

Hi-Jack

09-27-07, 02:36 PM

Discussion is public... The FW is not... (yet)
(no comments on DViCo, 5 releases in a month with serious updates speak for them
working hard. Loads of things to do, not everything can be done at once... :-))

About the HDMI...
Even with the new cut i can't seem to get HDMI running.
I decided to trial all previous releases as well to exclude issues with my player and came to the following conclusion...

1 - Cut 03/08/2007 does not give me any issues with HDMI
2 - Cut 14-09-2007 does not allow selection (missing confirmation and options proposed do not function for me)
3 - Cut 21-09-2007 does accept the HDMI settings and as long as I remain in the Setup section, the HDMI is ok. Once i go back to the main page, the player returns to SD mode. Changing HDMI and then reboot, boots the player
in HDMI mode but after xx seconds, it's back to SD...

No clue what's wrong, but it ain't the player...
Tried about all combinations one can possibly try...

oldpainless68

09-27-07, 04:11 PM

Some weeks ago I did some comparisons between reencodings and originals and I always preferred the originals. So I've no interest at all in any reencodings. I've not seen the shooter reencoding.

The reencodings I've seen were most of the time a bit sharper than the original, but had noticably less detail. They were sharper because most reencoders are applying a sharpening filter. Of course it's no fair comparison if you don't apply a sharpening filter to the original, too! Here are some screenshots (taken from "Running Scared"). They compare a 720p x264 reencoding with the 1080p HD DVD original:

720p reencoding upscaled to 1080p.png (http://madshi.net/RunningScared/A.png)
1080p HD DVD original.png (http://madshi.net/RunningScared/B.png)

On a quick look many people prefer the reencoding because it seems to be sharper. But now check out the original after having sharpened it:

sharpened HD DVD.png (http://madshi.net/RunningScared/C.png)

Please draw your own conclusions. But IMHO the reencoding doesn't hold a candle to the original (regardless of whether it was sharpened or not). The problem is that on a quick check the reencoding appears to be sharper than the unsharpened original. That's why many people think that reencodings have a great image quality. But after having a more in depth look at the images you'll hopefully notice that there's noticably more detail in the original.

I have to say m8...number 1 still looks better,.......yes I'm sure I'm gonna get slated for that (and I'll check back on the images....just in case you switched em.....lol....)

K