I have to say m8...number 1 still looks better,.......
Well, then it seems that reencodes are the right choice for you.

Well, then it seems that reencodes are the right choice for you.

Madshi....we have known each other from other forums.....don't turn the knife at the moment m8....I've got enough to deal with...

K

@oldpainless68: i dont understand why are you pissed?!?! do you wanna be alone on beta testing is that what you want?! Are you an worker for tommacro?!?!?! i think when you buy an beta device then it is better when more people are testing the device so teh firmware gets faster to an stable point!! more eyes can see more bugs.
So whats your problem?! I´m really confused on your words!? Do you really think that you are the only person with an beta set from tommacro lol all resellers have an set of the beta fw.

wondering cHarOn

@oldpainless68: i dont understand why are you pissed?!?! do you wanna be alone on beta testing is that what you want?! Are you an worker for tommacro?!?!?! i think when you buy an beta device then it is better when more people are testing the device so teh firmware gets faster to an stable point!! more eyes can see more bugs.
So whats your problem?! I´m really confused on your words!? Do you really think that you are the only person with an beta set from tommacro lol all resellers have an set of the beta fw.

wondering cHarOn
I second that....whats up oldpainless68? You really do act like someone who is working for Tomarco! I have asked before and I will ask it again, do you work for Tomarco or are you receiving some sort of compensation from Tomarco or GenDVD? If so YOU should not even be in this thread you should be banned.

It is not up to you to go around smoothing everything out and making sure that the Lim looks good no matter what...that is up to Tomarco by making and producing a great product.

I have also said this before and that is that in many ways you are the LimHD200i worst enemy...stop getting in the way and let criticism flow and from that will rise a better more COMPLETE product that a much larger portion of the population will want to purchase and own. For Tomarco to succeed that is what must happen because there are not enough HD geeks in the world who will be satisfied with a half assed product, to to keep them in business.

...
Changing HDMI and then reboot, boots the player
in HDMI mode but after xx seconds, it's back to SD...
...

That's very weird. When I boot mine, the front panel will often start off saying 1080, but then after a bit it changes to 480. But the thing is, it's only the display on the lim. The TV is still getting 1080i over HDMI.

Every once in a while, when I boot the lim, it actually doesn't send the signal over the hdmi cable. I then have to push the video mode button on the remote a bunch of times. After I get it back on the screen, I go into the setup, set it correctly, and I'm set.

But like I said, the not sending video over the hdmi only happens every once in a while. Fairly often the lim's display says 480 when it is actually sending 1080.

The easiest solution would be to buy or rent an HDDVD/BlueRay with a movie you like and then download the ripped MKV version from the internet. This way you don't steal anything and you don't have to wait 24 hours - you can get a descent quality movie within 2-3 hours nowadays.

Uh thats stealing dude. Renting and ripping and downloading movies from the internet is illegal in most countries.

I have a 5TB server, easily expandable to 10TB. Is it enough for all HD movies out there?

Is that? Try 24TB and about to add 8TB more. :D

Some weeks ago I did some comparisons between reencodings and originals and I always preferred the originals. So I've no interest at all in any reencodings. Please draw your own conclusions. But IMHO the reencoding doesn't hold a candle to the original (regardless of whether it was sharpened or not).

and neither does the copy that resides on the disc .. you think your orginial VC1/MPEG4 is good, try uncompressed. :)

Hi-Jack.....I had no idea you will sink so low!....but where the f**ck did you get this from?....these are beta's for testing and feedback.........................when you PM'ed me and asked me for the latest cut....and I said no, I had no idea that you would sink so low...........that's it between you and I.....we are done!

Jackie....you have a mole!...close it down...now I am VERY PISSED!



close it down? mole? throw us a fricken bone here, what's going on?

close it down? mole? throw us a fricken bone here, what's going on?
Whats going on is oldpainless controlling every aspect of this thread! Who appointed him to be the 'Keeper of Lim'? and the all knowing all speaking eye of this thread?:cool:

That's very weird. When I boot mine, the front panel will often start off saying 1080, but then after a bit it changes to 480. But the thing is, it's only the display on the lim. The TV is still getting 1080i over HDMI.

Every once in a while, when I boot the lim, it actually doesn't send the signal over the hdmi cable. I then have to push the video mode button on the remote a bunch of times. After I get it back on the screen, I go into the setup, set it correctly, and I'm set.

But like I said, the not sending video over the hdmi only happens every once in a while. Fairly often the lim's display says 480 when it is actually sending 1080.

After HDMI (or all other option) configuration in setup menu, must exit to main menu for config saving, and no other way. VIDEO MODE can select desired video output mode temporally, not save the selection.

when swithing on TV after LimHD power up, LimHD will select EDIF mode (eg. 640x480, because of auto handshaking between LimHD and TV according to HDMI standard), must re-configure the desired video output mode, or directly reboot LimHD with TV keeping power on.

The limHD's manual describe this clearly.

I'm tired of the circus as well... seems that more than a few individuals on this thread have ulterior motives and are affiliated with Tomacro or its competition.

I think the limHD can look exceptionally good when it works, but right now I find it to be one of the buggiest consumer products I've ever owned. I still haven't made it available for my family to use... too much rebooting is required, still too many lockups, glitches, lost settings, etc. I would really like this player to work out, and I am confident that these issues can be fixed, but at the rate they're going, it may take more engineering resources than Tomacro has got to address them all within the lifetime of the product. If Tomacro will consider open sourcing the firmware, I'd be happy to contribute some time, but it would need to be the real deal... toolchain, helper scripts, and everything else needed to go from C source files to installable .bin files. I realize some portions (like the Sigma SDK) may have to be distributed precompiled and without source. Of course, I seriously doubt Tomacro will do this, but if the rate of fixing bugs does not improve, the limHD will still be a buggy player by the time the next-gen players start showing up and we inevitably move on. That's one more reason to get the new firmware releases in as many hands as possible (not just oldpainless68's) as soon as Tomacro is reasonably certain it won't brick people's units.

One other thing- all the discussion here of ripping and transcoding commercial discs goes with the territory for this sort of player, I guess, but it would sure be easy pickings if the MP** were to check in here and then subpoena AVS (which is based in the U.S. and would almost certainly cave). I know there are sites that are far more blatant about this stuff, but I'd be careful...

I'm tired of the circus as well... seems that more than a few individuals on this thread have ulterior motives and are affiliated with Tomacro or its competition.

I think the limHD can look exceptionally good when it works, but right now I find it to be one of the buggiest consumer products I've ever owned. I still haven't made it available for my family to use... too much rebooting is required, still too many lockups, glitches, lost settings, etc. I would really like this player to work out, and I am confident that these issues can be fixed, but at the rate they're going, it may take more engineering resources than Tomacro has got to address them all within the lifetime of the product. If Tomacro will consider open sourcing the firmware, I'd be happy to contribute some time, but it would need to be the real deal... toolchain, helper scripts, and everything else needed to go from C source files to installable .bin files. I realize some portions (like the Sigma SDK) may have to be distributed precompiled and without source. Of course, I seriously doubt Tomacro will do this, but if the rate of fixing bugs does not improve, the limHD will still be a buggy player by the time the next-gen players start showing up and we inevitably move on. That's one more reason to get the new firmware releases in as many hands as possible (not just oldpainless68's) as soon as Tomacro is reasonably certain it won't brick people's units.

One other thing- all the discussion here of ripping and transcoding commercial discs goes with the territory for this sort of player, I guess, but it would sure be easy pickings if the MP** were to check in here and then subpoena AVS (which is based in the U.S. and would almost certainly cave). I know there are sites that are far more blatant about this stuff, but I'd be careful...
Well said...

That's one more reason to get the new firmware releases in as many hands as possible (not just oldpainless68's) as soon as Tomacro is reasonably certain it won't brick people's units.


That's the part which scares me the most .. loading up a "beta" firmware that _might_ brick the unit! :eek: The official non-beta release is still dated 070707 or 3 releases ago.

Mods...I need a word...please PM me....enough of this crap already!

K


Well, I remember you saying something about God mode complex before?
Why does no one want us to verify what you all are saying and claiming? We
asked Tomacro to send the beta, took 4 days and still nothing even though
they agreed to "hunt down the link for sending it to me". None of the existing
beta testers (2) was willing to offer me or anyone else the ability to verify the HDMI was fixed so i could check the progress.

I don't want new beta's to have the issues that passed you before (mkv,
hdmi) and so on and I would like to see proper beta testing being supported
by Tomacro.

I would respect if there is an agreement between Tomacro and beta testers but if i get my hands on a FW and invest time to get it without support from anyone, I sure will not include whatever their problems are when doing something with it either.

People bought a beta product, they should get Beta firmware to see and help make progress... Sorry if that makes you feel bad and mad... if you want to
get me banned for that and the moderators agree with you that I don't
belong here, then so be it. Will it change anything you think?

I'm forcing what Tomacro should be doing and you. Share with the comunity
and work together (and that does mean not only you). Tomacro obviously
want to work with the community so help them do it as so far all we hear is
talking without ability to help ourselves...

I did not release the link in public and I said 25 maximum to help testing.
That still shows I don't want to be a hero. Just want to see more beta
testing so we get more feedback than yours only...

Enjoy
Hi-Jack

After HDMI (or all other option) configuration in setup menu, must exit to main menu for config saving, and no other way. VIDEO MODE can select desired video output mode temporally, not save the selection.

when swithing on TV after LimHD power up, LimHD will select EDIF mode (eg. 640x480, because of auto handshaking between LimHD and TV according to HDMI standard), must re-configure the desired video output mode, or directly reboot LimHD with TV keeping power on.

The limHD's manual describe this clearly.


Conker,

I think there are differences and errors in the way the LimHD200i performs
updates. I have issues all the time with HDMI as well and some people don't.
Using the old firmware is no problem so the issue is firmware related and still
exists in the latest cut. Something is wrong.

I'm tired of the circus as well... seems that more than a few individuals on this thread have ulterior motives and are affiliated with Tomacro or its competition.

I think the limHD can look exceptionally good when it works, but right now I find it to be one of the buggiest consumer products I've ever owned. I still haven't made it available for my family to use... too much rebooting is required, still too many lockups, glitches, lost settings, etc. I would really like this player to work out, and I am confident that these issues can be fixed, but at the rate they're going, it may take more engineering resources than Tomacro has got to address them all within the lifetime of the product. If Tomacro will consider open sourcing the firmware, I'd be happy to contribute some time, but it would need to be the real deal... toolchain, helper scripts, and everything else needed to go from C source files to installable .bin files. I realize some portions (like the Sigma SDK) may have to be distributed precompiled and without source. Of course, I seriously doubt Tomacro will do this, but if the rate of fixing bugs does not improve, the limHD will still be a buggy player by the time the next-gen players start showing up and we inevitably move on. That's one more reason to get the new firmware releases in as many hands as possible (not just oldpainless68's) as soon as Tomacro is reasonably certain it won't brick people's units.

One other thing- all the discussion here of ripping and transcoding commercial discs goes with the territory for this sort of player, I guess, but it would sure be easy pickings if the MP** were to check in here and then subpoena AVS (which is based in the U.S. and would almost certainly cave). I know there are sites that are far more blatant about this stuff, but I'd be careful...

Mark, you share exactly my idea, stuff I have been stating all along.
I'm not affiliated to any brand but i get challenged if people depict different
things than reality. I believe Tomacro can be good, we not hide it is better at
HD than anyone else available, but c'mon, the progress, the beta testing, QA
failures etc... is a pain.

I made many efforts to talk Tomacro into opening beta just like we do with
other brands. I think we are close in reaching open activities with Tomacro
for testing but making it open to community to develop firmware will probably
as you said, never happen...

That's the part which scares me the most .. loading up a "beta" firmware that _might_ brick the unit! :eek: The official non-beta release is still dated 070707 or 3 releases ago.

People who like to wait for full releases are welcome to do so.
If there's a QA trap at Tomacro to test the update does not brick the unit,
then passes on to community Beta Testing (can be executed with more
people and therefore has better "general" results", it will improve speed and
detection of bugs + will offer more people ability to list issues and features...

Working with the community must go both ways. Oldpainless could still
receive the feedback and remain contact of Tomacro in the progress. It's
not klike we all would work seperate to hassle Tomacro. It's the way to go...

close it down? mole? throw us a fricken bone here, what's going on?

I found the beta firmware and told people, if they want to help beta testing,
they can get it from me... (since it is not acquired by Tomacro or beta
testers, i'm not bound by NDA or agreements and it offers people to verify
improvements made so we get more feedback than oldpainless alone...)

That's very weird. When I boot mine, the front panel will often start off saying 1080, but then after a bit it changes to 480. But the thing is, it's only the display on the lim. The TV is still getting 1080i over HDMI.

Every once in a while, when I boot the lim, it actually doesn't send the signal over the hdmi cable. I then have to push the video mode button on the remote a bunch of times. After I get it back on the screen, I go into the setup, set it correctly, and I'm set.

But like I said, the not sending video over the hdmi only happens every once in a while. Fairly often the lim's display says 480 when it is actually sending 1080.

We see more people with different things. Mine actually goes back to SD for real. I believe Tomacro is somehow working on auto sensing fror HDMI and this is the result of it. I can't find any other explanation that would match this behavior of the units.

Reboot = HDMI and then returns to 480i (Setup returns to SD instead of HDMI)
Is your setup remaining at HDMI or does it also return to SD?

Beta isn't for the general user, and should not be easy to get for them. But for people willing to try unstable code, and a little more clever, and most importantly, with better feedback than "it doesn't work" or "it still sucks", there are beta firmwares.

I'm not sure how "closed" I think their beta testing is when you can take the latest test firmware on the site, and guess dates until you get the latest one. Guess what happens when you try 0921? But see, I don't want that to stop, I'm very happy I can try things as soon as they are out, and I'd like to believe I can file a report in a useful manner.

They only got their WWW online last month, so it is ok that it has not settled down into a concrete style, yet. Perhaps they released their product a little early, but that is often the only way to ensure you have funds to actually complete it.

You guys argue like this is fark, seriously, or worse, some twilight zone version of 90210.

Tomacro, keep releasing those firmwares please. :)

Ok guys...sorry for my outburst...I guess all this cloak and dager stuff wound me up a little.....I've put my toys back in the pram...lol

Do I work for Tomacro or GenDVD...give me a break....of course not...do I like the Lim, yes. I do believe that they have a winning product on their hands (with a bit more tweaking of the firmware).

Should I be the only one to test beta's?...as I have said before, the more the better, as long as it is not used against Tomacro as part of some propaganda war, however, when I'm sent beta code to test, on the undertanding not to make it public, that's what I do.

Anyhows, each to their own....back on to waiting.....

K

Beta isn't for the general user, and should not be easy to get for them. But for people willing to try unstable code, and a little more clever, and most importantly, with better feedback than "it doesn't work" or "it still sucks", there are beta firmwares.

if you buy an beta product then in my eyes there must be some frequently updates to the firmware that the people see an progress or can fix some basic Problems.

Perhaps they released their product a little early, but that is often the only way to ensure you have funds to actually complete it.

thats an main problem with all devices, but the tommacro device is the first device with such beta feeling, with other players you have functions without problems and not like the lim act.

cHarOn

This HDMI issue is an odd one. I have no issues selecting HDMI....about every other 5 reboots, the res changes on the lim display to 480...but I push the video mode button once to get it back to 720p....

I wonder if the issue relates to the order of firmware updates you have installed on the Lim......Jackie, might be worth checking that one..

K

Hi-Jack....just for info, the cut you managed to get your hands on is 7 days newer than the beta I was sent for testing......I'll check for any differences.

K

Hi-Jack.....I had no idea you will sink so low!....but where the f**ck did you get this from?....these are beta's for testing and feedback.........................when you PM'ed me and asked me for the latest cut....and I said no, I had no idea that you would sink so low...........that's it between you and I.....we are done!


Jackie....you have a mole!...close it down...now I am VERY PISSED!

K

Hello! kevin! Here is the liink to Hi-jack's website http://www.mpcclub.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=354

New Firmware: MPC BETA LimHD200i!

Now some say we break unwritten rules, others will like to get their hands on this new updated release and do some beta testing on their own. With buying a beta product this is your absolute right. So here it is... a new beta unsupported and unreleased yet by Tomacro beyond very few people testing... Version 21-09-2007



New beta 21-09-2007 available.
If you want to test the new version, PM me!

The reason we release it is because we found it honestly and there is no current agreement between MPC and Tomacro for beta testing. They did not send us the link so far where only few people are beta testing and this enables us to verify messages of progress... In respect of Tomacro we keep the BETA limit"ed to 25 people. No need to start a war... (yet)

Now we dunno if Tomacro will include us for beta test in the future but we'll sure try to arrange that after which we will built a Tomacro beta test team and play by the rules. Beyond that, we are pirates, critics and hunters for news and this is news!!

Enjoy
Hi-Jack

The above words are siad by HI-jack. Through the survey of Tomacro, we found Hi-jack got the bete firmware through illegal means, such behavior is
Very shameful, if he continues with this kind of theft, surely he will be punished by the law . In the future, TOMACRO will control the internal firmware testing more strictly. Only let us to test them.
Jackie

This HDMI issue is an odd one. I have no issues selecting HDMI....about every other 5 reboots, the res changes on the lim display to 480...but I push the video mode button once to get it back to 720p....

I wonder if the issue relates to the order of firmware updates you have installed on the Lim......Jackie, might be worth checking that one..

K

hello! kevin!
You should set inside HDMI resolution in the setup menu before it can be preserved, for the next boot time it will not be on the resolution of 480p.

Jackie

Madshi....we have known each other from other forums.....don't turn the knife at the moment m8....I've got enough to deal with...
I think you misunderstood me. If you like the way reencodes look then I don't have a problem with that. They do have a specific look to them: Grain is reduced and they're a bit sharpened. There's no problem with liking it that way.

Hi-Jack....just for info, the cut you managed to get your hands on is 7 days newer than the beta I was sent for testing......I'll check for any differences.

K

How can that be? The release in public is 14-09 + 7 days is indeed this
release of 21. I thought yoiu wass already testing a newer cut than the one
released public on the 14th? (You verified 24p was working nicely and the
14-09-2007 does not have that as far as i know)

not important anyway... :-)
Guess Tomacro told you it works or something... (confusing)
or sent you a new cut which is not related to the one released
on the 14th...

Look forward to the changes you detect.

The above words are siad by HI-jack. Through the survey of Tomacro, we found Hi-jack got the bete firmware through illegal means, such behavior is
Very shameful, if he continues with this kind of theft, surely he will be punished by the law . In the future, TOMACRO will control the internal firmware testing more strictly. Only let us to test them.
Jackie

gendvd, are you sure Tomacro said that (as they spread different words to me). Just want to know from you this is what they want to tell their consumers or rather it is you responding like this. Can I ask you, how do you acquire all your videos? Where do you "buy" VC-1 and mkv files? Oh no...? You mean you acquire them illegal from the net? Is't that the same I just did with the firmware?

There's nothing illegal about downloading a FW update unreleased. It's not
that we can do something with the code except use it. Why are you so
over protective?

I intend to be more supportive and helpfull for Tomacro if they enable us to
do so. With this statement (if it is from Tomacro and not from you) it actually
makes things worse as it confirms they have no intention to improve QA and
include customers in the progress even though they ask...

Anyway... that's all I want to say to this topic. I will further not participate in
discussion about me or about resellers but on Tomacro and the limHD200i
(unless provoked). I hope they open the beta to wider public to avoid a new
broken release and actually inject some fun for the early adopters that
accepted the shortcomings and bugs. They earn that for their money and
trust which you with an overly protective attitude are killing...

I guess for you, if more people report bugs you loose customers.

I still don't see how it's your problem unless you really want to remain the
only one having the privilege of testing beta (and I suspect you work for
Tomacro which you not admit) and can tell anything you'd like without
anyone able to verify so you can sell on updates that might never deliver and
as far as feedback from Tomacro goes, FAN and others from Tomacro do visit
these forums and can react on their own if they want to tell us that they do
not care about the wish from customers to participate in the beta testing
and improve speed and bug reports...

PS: Punished by law for downloading a FW available from their own servers in public?
Maybe in China, not here in Europe. They will be charged with negligence and i go free :-)
We have lawyers, they can contact us if they like. I'm sure we'll have many hours of fun
discussing infringement of GPL by not having released them yet...

Have a nice "sales" day.
Now let's talk about making things better and not worse dear friend...

(Asked a meeting with Tomacro tonight so we can clear up some things.
Hopefully we have some fruitfull results soon coming from that effort)

I think you misunderstood me. If you like the way reencodes look then I don't have a problem with that. They do have a specific look to them: Grain is reduced and they're a bit sharpened. There's no problem with liking it that way.


Cool...thought so...:D

K

No issues for my update!

"6. Select Software\Upgrade Boot. Confirm YES to upgrade system. Wait until the television or
display device has turned black (no video signal); the process usually takes between 2-5
minutes. When no video signal is apparent you can safely turn the limHD200i off with the top
power button."

The problem is : i select Upgrade Boot. I confirm YES to upgrade system. I wait but nothing... I see only the menu with only one button : "Upgrade Boot". When i push "up" and after "down", the 2 others buttons appear.
I tried a lot of time but nothing.

Ok for others updates. It work well but no issue for boot update...

if you buy an beta product then in my eyes there must be some frequently updates to the firmware that the people see an progress or can fix some basic Problems.



thats an main problem with all devices, but the tommacro device is the first device with such beta feeling, with other players you have functions without problems and not like the lim act.

cHarOn
I would add, as I have before in this thread, that if the lim is beta, and it is, their website should say that it is beta!

This HDMI issue is an odd one. I have no issues selecting HDMI....about every other 5 reboots, the res changes on the lim display to 480...but I push the video mode button once to get it back to 720p....

I wonder if the issue relates to the order of firmware updates you have installed on the Lim......Jackie, might be worth checking that one..

K
Why so many reboots? I have had a NMP for two years and only rebooted twice. Once each time for FW updating and that is it. I think frequent rebooting should be on the list of things to fix.

The update is awkward and should actually be 1 file one selects and the full
update is done. It's not a problem using seperate files. I would take the
duration "2-5" minutes also with salt as on my unit the upgrade app takes
30 minutes and more...

Hence, everyone knows buying limHD200i is a beta product in development
(everyone is) but so they must at least provide beta updates regularly to
keep progress. It builds some kind of trust relation between Tomacro and
customers where consumers can see progress floading in let's say each 14
days with an updated beta until it reaches a more mature level... even if it
is only HD related.

enjoy

The update is awkward and should actually be 1 file one selects and the full
update is done. It's not a problem using seperate files. I would take the
duration "2-5" minutes also with salt as on my unit the upgrade app takes
30 minutes and more...

Hence, everyone knows buying limHD200i is a beta product in development
(everyone is) but so they must at least provide beta updates regularly to
keep progress. It builds some kind of trust relation between Tomacro and
customers where consumers can see progress floading in let's say each 14
days with an updated beta until it reaches a more mature level... even if it
is only HD related.

enjoy
I beg to differ that EVERYONE knows when buying the lim that it is a beta system and that they are paying to help Tomacro troubleshoot and develop their product! The people that frequent this thread and one or two other threads may realize it is beta but ANYONE from the public at large that lands in the GenDVD site can purchase a Lim without any knowledge what so ever that it is a WORK IN PROGRESS!

I beg to differ that EVERYONE knows when buying the lim that it is a beta system and that they are paying to help Tomacro troubleshoot and develop their product! The people that frequent this thread and one or two other threads may realize it is beta but ANYONE from the public at large that lands in the GenDVD site can purchase a Lim without any knowledge what so ever that it is a WORK IN PROGRESS!

I'm not saying they help pay Tomacro development costs. I mend actually by
reading here you see it's being developed and if Tomacro includes the customers
in beta testing with regular releases people will have less issues with the
product being limited and can see progress...

For the public outside AVS / MPC, agree, people might expect a lot more for
the money and some will be accepting it, others won't... They however end
up here or at MPC and they do have 7 days return backing them up...

I take your point though. You are right.
Not everyone can be found on forums before they buy but nowadays it's the
smart way to research buy options...

In the future, TOMACRO will control the internal firmware testing more strictly. Only let us to test them.
Jackie

Jackie, I think if you take a vote by the paying consumers (the people who bought the lim) you will find that most want the opposite of what your proposing. Less control and more flexiability over the release of the firmware will accomplish:


Wider test bed of users
Quicker feedback of fixes or issues
Fast adoption of the latest enhancements pushin popularity of the lim
Consumer faith and trust that progress is being made


One more thing since these updates are leaking out and also the firmwares on your site, please please provide a change log. I noticed the other day that loading a subtitles error message in english changed from LAOD FAILED to LOAD FAILED.

... but ANYONE from the public at large that lands in the GenDVD site can purchase a Lim without any knowledge what so ever that it is a WORK IN PROGRESS!

This is the lowest sales trick of them all. I'm waiting for the day that the Tomacro website disappers just as quickly as it came.

Invited Tomacro to have a short meeting with me tonight to discuss but they
not showed up (they not confirmed to be there either so I can't blame them, it was just an offer to discuss the issues in direct and thru unrelated people to Tomacro)

I guess it becomes clear, due to HDMI issues I con not verify any progress and further investing time is useless until a new release is "found" or "offered" :-(

Oldpainless, did you test the latest cut?
Any HDMI issues from your end after update where it returns to SD?

Thx.

gendvd, are you sure Tomacro said that (as they spread different words to me). Just want to know from you this is what they want to tell their consumers or rather it is you responding like this. Can I ask you, how do you acquire all your videos? Where do you "buy" VC-1 and mkv files? Oh no...? You mean you acquire them illegal from the net? Is't that the same I just did with the firmware?

There's nothing illegal about downloading a FW update unreleased. It's not
that we can do something with the code except use it. Why are you so
over protective?

I intend to be more supportive and helpfull for Tomacro if they enable us to
do so. With this statement (if it is from Tomacro and not from you) it actually
makes things worse as it confirms they have no intention to improve QA and
include customers in the progress even though they ask...

Anyway... that's all I want to say to this topic. I will further not participate in
discussion about me or about resellers but on Tomacro and the limHD200i
(unless provoked). I hope they open the beta to wider public to avoid a new
broken release and actually inject some fun for the early adopters that
accepted the shortcomings and bugs. They earn that for their money and
trust which you with an overly protective attitude are killing...

I guess for you, if more people report bugs you loose customers.

I still don't see how it's your problem unless you really want to remain the
only one having the privilege of testing beta (and I suspect you work for
Tomacro which you not admit) and can tell anything you'd like without
anyone able to verify so you can sell on updates that might never deliver and
as far as feedback from Tomacro goes, FAN and others from Tomacro do visit
these forums and can react on their own if they want to tell us that they do
not care about the wish from customers to participate in the beta testing
and improve speed and bug reports...

PS: Punished by law for downloading a FW available from their own servers in public?
Maybe in China, not here in Europe. They will be charged with negligence and i go free :-)
We have lawyers, they can contact us if they like. I'm sure we'll have many hours of fun
discussing infringement of GPL by not having released them yet...

Have a nice "sales" day.
Now let's talk about making things better and not worse dear friend...

(Asked a meeting with Tomacro tonight so we can clear up some things.
Hopefully we have some fruitfull results soon coming from that effort)

Seeing what ridiculous prices GenDVD offers for distribution, I have serious doubts they are really Tomacro. I believe they're just a middle man, not the manufacturer...

For distributoion, contact FAN.
I don't know what prices they offered but some of our contacts are in this range:

- 270 USD$ per unit (30+) without HDD
- 339 USD$ per unit (30+) with 320GB HDD
(they do offer 10 at the same price though if you insist)

As far as we have picked up, Tomacro targets a MOQ of 50 units per sale but they
accept lower quantities knowing the player is still not mature enough and all sales are
currently welcome, even little ones.

3% spare parts delivered with orders.
Failure rate official by Tomacro = 3 / 1000

Hope that gives you some info on the sales prices from Tomacro.
(We always investigate pricing and see that different people get the same offers. It's all
part of our validation for brands... Just in case you wonder how we get this data...)

Enjoy

I'm about to try out DVD support, though I'm wondering do I need to copy over the VIDEO_TS folder to the HDD or can I keep it as an ISO?

I'm about to try out DVD support, though I'm wondering do I need to copy over the VIDEO_TS folder to the HDD or can I keep it as an ISO?

DVD-ISO works ok with the current public version of the FW...apart from sometimes having to press the image button on the remote (4:3 VS 16:9 issues)

K

Jackie....looks like another media player maker has issued this response for Mac users...

We do not support EXT3 and I regret to say that we do not have plan to support EXT3. However, unofficially you can use EXT2.
Regards,
Eric

I know it has been asked before....but could you enure that Tomacro has the latest Lim Users requirments Log (posted 1 or 2 pages ago) so that they can see that this requirement has been voted in by it's customers...

Cheers

K

Was the limHD200i not having isues with subtitle selection? (only valid for countries that need it like everything except UK, Germany (Dubbed) and France (dubbed). I decided to quick check DVD ISO abilities...

Following should be fixed:

- Pressing Menu does not go to main DVDmenu (also not during playback)
- Subtitle selection and Audio selection don't seem to work with the buttons on remote
- Pg up and PD Down seem to be used for previous/next chapter but don't work

oops, diner is ready....
Finish this later. (Based on 21092007 version)

Does the 21092007 firmware fix audio drops that happen in the MKV container?

For DVD/ISO/IMG playback:
Go to main DVDmenu (also during playback) - Pressing FUNC
Subtitle selection and Audio selection - can select in DVD menu
previous/next chapter - Pressing PREV/NEXT

Cool, I'm going to try a few now. I didn't know the lim supports IMG too that is excellent.

Ok, with Conker's post, i would have the following comments...

- Enable Subtitle and Audio from remote (normal approach, not return to menu but it is workaround that makes this less urgent. Just more convenient)
- Replace function with Menu for returning to menu (better and straightforward)
- Use Time button on remote to show elapsed/remaining time

Extra Cool:
- Using arrow buttons for FF/RW and UP/DOWN for next / previous chapters. (optional)
- When paused, pressing Pause again goes "frame by frame" until pressing play for normal resume
- Use function to add other features via OSD like "slow 1/16, 1/8, 1/4, 1/2...

That would make ISO payback more mature and very well accepted.
I know it's not HD, but these are example of how things can be available and still be
improved to offer quality and convenience. As soon as mu VGA/Component adapter has
arrived or the HDMI is fixed by a next cut, I will send you my comments for playback of
normal files as well. No use to test on S-Video connection...

Does these comments sound acceptable to reach higher level of ISO support?

Remote controller's button map for DVD/ISO/IMG playback

Conker...and Hi-Jack.....thanks for also chipping in with help for this guy....

Cheers

K

Does the 21092007 firmware fix audio drops that happen in the MKV container?

Nope...but I never said it did....all the feedback on the beta has gone back to Jackie (please don't write Jackie off...been good to the folks on here) and Tomacro....


Hopefully, any time soon, the new cut will be out...

K

Ok, with Conker's post, i would have the following comments...

- Enable Subtitle and Audio from remote (normal approach, not return to menu but it is workaround that makes this less urgent. Just more convenient)
- Replace function with Menu for returning to menu (better and straightforward)
- Use Time button on remote to show elapsed/remaining time

Extra Cool:
- Using arrow buttons for FF/RW and UP/DOWN for next / previous chapters. (optional)
- When paused, pressing Pause again goes "frame by frame" until pressing play for normal resume
- Use function to add other features via OSD like "slow 1/16, 1/8, 1/4, 1/2...

That would make ISO payback more mature and very well accepted.
I know it's not HD, but these are example of how things can be available and still be
improved to offer quality and convenience. As soon as mu VGA/Component adapter has
arrived or the HDMI is fixed by a next cut, I will send you my comments for playback of
normal files as well. No use to test on S-Video connection...

Does these comments sound acceptable to reach higher level of ISO support?


Yes Hi-Jack they all sound logical and the right thing too...thanks

I think with the above and Mark's feedback....that would be a perfect solution


Mark - anything else to add to this before I weave this into the log?

Cheers

K

Does the 21092007 firmware fix audio drops that happen in the MKV container?

Nope...but I never said it did....all the feedback on the beta has gone back to Jackie

This seems to contradict what you said earlier (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=11709777&postcount=2345).

snip:

I can confim that the following is being fixed/added in the current beta:

1 HDMI selection
2 720p/1080p MKV occasional sound drop
3 WMV-HD with WMA 5.1 as 5.1 audio when digital encoded selected - (WMA 5.1 and ACC 5.1 added as options for Digital Encode 5.1)
6 24hz video option added

Mark, could you post your test file for me, because just want to double check item 5 (Deinterlace)

K

PS - 24fps looks very nice....smoooooth

What was addressed in the 21 release?

This HDMI issue is an odd one. I have no issues selecting HDMI....about every other 5 reboots, the res changes on the lim display to 480...but I push the video mode button once to get it back to 720p....

I wonder if the issue relates to the order of firmware updates you have installed on the Lim......Jackie, might be worth checking that one..

K
You can ignore me but I will not go away....I ask again, why so many reboots? If the answer is as simple as; Reboots are only required when loading new FW, then that would be good to know. If on the other had the Lim hangs often and requires a reboot then that is also good to know and is something that should be added to the list.

If as you say your involvement in this thread is purely because you like the lim and want to help make it into a great product then do not ignore issues like frequent re-booting.

This seems to contradict what you said earlier (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=11709777&postcount=2345)

This is the problem of English language.
He actually didn't say that it has been fixed.
He said that it is being fixed.
This means that Tomacro developers are working on it right now.
I had the same problems understanding people when I started learning this international language.

For distributoion, contact FAN.
I don't know what prices they offered but some of our contacts are in this range:

- 270 USD$ per unit (30+) without HDD
- 339 USD$ per unit (30+) with 320GB HDD
(they do offer 10 at the same price though if you insist)

As far as we have picked up, Tomacro targets a MOQ of 50 units per sale but they
accept lower quantities knowing the player is still not mature enough and all sales are
currently welcome, even little ones.

3% spare parts delivered with orders.
Failure rate official by Tomacro = 3 / 1000

Hope that gives you some info on the sales prices from Tomacro.
(We always investigate pricing and see that different people get the same offers. It's all
part of our validation for brands... Just in case you wonder how we get this data...)

Enjoy

No comment :p, but what we see that some limHD200i users swap to TViX 5100SH and many stick to the limHD200i. Reason mostly: just misses FTP/WLAN (Linksys USB/WLAN) function and also the look and feel of the DvICo black models....
I will tell Fan as a suggestion to swap Remote to TViX and Rapsody model, you all know it's the same model only other functions under the buttons.

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:kemvbC6DeVVqUM:http://dist.joshinweb.jp/contents/products/dvico/m4000p/remote.jpg

I guess those people sticking to it are needing HD playback like the Tomacro
delivers upon. I also believe something more is missing than only WLAN on the
unit but it can easily be supported with USB adapters if they want it
(Tomacro). Dunno how much effect that will have on memory though...
(reflects on available memory for playback, hence the possible limitations
Tomacro needs to work with to achieve a model that please the max amount
of users)

Then again, wireless will not be sufficient for HD playback of mkv and VC-1
so what's the use of wishing this if not for normal content to playback?
So, is WLAN a good idea?

I consider the remote and WLAN the least of urgencies with Tomacro considering
the above though changing to the other remote would be better as it is a better
remote... :-)

FTP on the other hand is wishfull. It would requires read/write mount of the HDD
which again means less performance and a dangerous precedent for doing so, as
then we want bookmarks and other stuff that requires writing to HDD too (copy,
delete)

Does the 21092007 firmware fix audio drops that happen in the MKV container?

Nope...but I never said it did....all the feedback on the beta has gone back to Jackie

This seems to contradict what you said earlier (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=11709777&postcount=2345).

snip:

I can confim that the following is being fixed/added in the current beta:

1 HDMI selection
2 720p/1080p MKV occasional sound drop
3 WMV-HD with WMA 5.1 as 5.1 audio when digital encoded selected - (WMA 5.1 and ACC 5.1 added as options for Digital Encode 5.1)
6 24hz video option added

Mark, could you post your test file for me, because just want to double check item 5 (Deinterlace)

K

PS - 24fps looks very nice....smoooooth

What was addressed in the 21 release?


This is the problem of English language.
He actually didn't say that it has been fixed.
He said that it is being fixed.
This means that Tomacro developers are working on it right now.
I had the same problems understanding people when I started learning this international language.



OK. He say's current beta though [dated: 09-24-07, 08:13 AM] and Hi-Jack reported 24p was added (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=11745435&postcount=2495).

@oldandpainless Which beta are you talking about?

I at least I saw the option added. Couldn't test as HDMI issue prevents me from using it
now... Tomacro is working on the items oldpainless said they ware working upon. Current
beta in Oldpainless words is 14092007. The other one is what I found and which I refer
to by saying 24p is added and which is not released by Tomacro to anyone so it seems...

Hope that clears it up for you...
You can test it if you want. So far only 1 guy requested the FW. Strange...
Guess lot of people are pending solutions to get one, all the more reason for Tomacro to
speed things up... Send me a pm if you want the link...

Enjoy

Mark - anything else to add to this before I weave this into the log?

A while back, I suggested to Fan that the limHD should be smarter about how it displays and handles folders that contain an obvious VOB/IFO DVD directory structure.

If the limHD sees such a folder, it should display the folder name with a disc icon instead of a folder icon, and when the user clicks on the entry (the folder name), this should cause the limHD to navigate to VIDEO_TS and execute VIDEO_TS.IFO.

That is, it is silly to require the user to do this navigation manually when the limHD could easily recognize the directory structure itself.

The limHD should only hide the VOB/IFO directory structure like this if a VIDEO_TS/VIDEO_TS.IFO file exists. If it does not, go ahead and display the directory structure in the usual fashion so that the user could at least click on .VOB files manually.

Also, .iso files should be displayed with a disc icon.

Folder names containing .iso files should NOT get a disc icon (saw this problem in the 9/14 release).

I kind of get the impression that Fan passed along my suggestion but something was lost in translation.

OldP (shorter to write :-) )

Can you add to my recommendations for the ISO playback (and other files)
to add GoTo under functions. Tip just came in from a fella victim, i mean,
user :-) (sorry, thought it was funny)

In addition he reported a bug as where you shutdown the player and reboot
it, brightness goes thru the roof. No one is supposed to do this but it raises
some questions about Tomacro maybe changing settings in the background
when starting DVD playback which are then not restored for normal use as
the playback is interrupted?

(Interruption during DVD ISO playback)

Solution: Do not shut down during playback. First press stop.
Still raises questions about how this happens... It ain't normal behavior.

I at least I saw the option added. Couldn't test as HDMI issue prevents me from using it
now... Tomacro is working on the items oldpainless said they ware working upon. Current
beta in Oldpainless words is 14092007. The other one is what I found and which I refer
to by saying 24p is added and which is not released by Tomacro to anyone so it seems...


Hmm maybe I'm not being clear enough...

1) oldpainless posts on Sept 24th 2007 (9-24-2007) (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=11709777&postcount=2345) that the followng items are being fixed:


HDMI selection
720p/1080p MKV occasional sound drop
WMV-HD with WMA 5.1 as 5.1 audio when digital encoded selected - (WMA 5.1 and ACC 5.1 added as options for Digital Encode 5.1)
24hz video option added


2) The absolute latest firmware according to this forum is dated Sept 21st 2007 (9-21-2007) which also you have (obtained illegally to some) and tested that indeed 24p shows up. This indicates that item 4 in the above list was addressed and was the firmware in which oldpainless tested 3 days later (oldandpainless, only you can say T/F)? If the other items are not fixed in the latest then how did oldpainless know these items are being worked on? .. and why did item 4 make it in the last cut?

You can test it if you want. So far only 1 guy requested the FW. Strange...
Guess lot of people are pending solutions to get one, all the more reason for Tomacro to
speed things up... Send me a pm if you want the link...


Thanks for the offer. If the above items are not fixed then the release is useless to me.


Also, .iso files should be displayed with a disc icon.

Folder names containing .iso files should NOT get a disc icon (saw this problem in the 9/14 release).


I see the folder as the normal icon and inside I see my .ISO file with a disc icon. I'm sad to report though that ISO's do not play for me. The loading screen appears (TOP BLUE BAR WITH FILENAME) and then a BLACK BOX in the top righter corner (I'm guess it supposed to say PLEASE WAIT) but since its DARK black I have no idea. oh and I waited for 15 minutes, nothing. Bummer too ISO support would of been nice for a player valued over $400.

I should mention too I use ImageBurn (http://www.imgburn.com/) to build my ISO's, it creates ISO9660 + UDF compliant discs.

This is the problem of English language.
He actually didn't say that it has been fixed.
He said that it is being fixed.
This means that Tomacro developers are working on it right now.
I had the same problems understanding people when I started learning this international language.


Thanks Russland...that is what i said.....

As always....you are fair and you keep a foot in both camps ( I would)...lol

K

I tested sever ISO files few hours ago to come up with the missing features
and anhancements. Now depending on how ISO files are created can make a
difference (stripping, creation of new IFO file etc...)

Maybe you want the new cut to try ISO files then? :-)
lol

Oldpainless does not control Tomacro which item they add/fix first. Probably
Tomacro or good old gendvd confirmed this from Tomacro that the new cut
will concentrate around these 4 items without saying in which order.

Agree ISO support must become mature...
Important part of the packed you need to make with Wife and Kids, they can
watch DVD and you can watch MKv from it :-) It's likely you IFO is incompatible
with Tomacro. Try playing with IFO EDIT on a VIDEO_ts folder to analyse...

OldP (shorter to write :-) )

Can you add to my recommendations for the ISO playback (and other files)
to add GoTo under functions. Tip just came in from a fella victim, i mean,
user :-) (sorry, thought it was funny)

In addition he reported a bug as where you shutdown the player and reboot
it, brightness goes thru the roof. No one is supposed to do this but it raises
some questions about Tomacro maybe changing settings in the background
when starting DVD playback which are then not restored for normal use as
the playback is interrupted?

(Interruption during DVD ISO playback)

Solution: Do not shut down during playback. First press stop.
Still raises questions about how this happens... It ain't normal behavior.


Yes....Jackie will confirm that I have reported this........it's beta....I never lie..ever!...but when you are sent a beta in private....well...feedback is in private...so they can fix things....

Have fun peeps!

K

A while back, I suggested to Fan that the limHD should be smarter about how it displays and handles folders that contain an obvious VOB/IFO DVD directory structure.

If the limHD sees such a folder, it should display the folder name with a disc icon instead of a folder icon, and when the user clicks on the entry (the folder name), this should cause the limHD to navigate to VIDEO_TS and execute VIDEO_TS.IFO.

That is, it is silly to require the user to do this navigation manually when the limHD could easily recognize the directory structure itself.

The limHD should only hide the VOB/IFO directory structure like this if a VIDEO_TS/VIDEO_TS.IFO file exists. If it does not, go ahead and display the directory structure in the usual fashion so that the user could at least click on .VOB files manually.

Also, .iso files should be displayed with a disc icon.

Folder names containing .iso files should NOT get a disc icon (saw this problem in the 9/14 release).

I kind of get the impression that Fan passed along my suggestion but something was lost in translation.

Ok Mark...Thanks...I will do my best to weave all this in....

K

Thanks Russland...that is what i said.....

As always....you are fair and you keep a foot in both camps ( I would)...lol

K

:confused: Avoiding my questions.. your responses are proving your a shifty character.

Yes....Jackie will confirm that I have reported this........it's beta....I never lie..ever!...but when you are sent a beta in private....well...feedback is in private...so they can fix things....

Have fun peeps!

K

Did i say something i'm not aware of (reference to lying never ever? Dunno
where it comes from). Anyway... let's not discuss private beta and hidden
feedback as it get's my stress levels back up... ouch... (so i just wasted 15
minutes to test this bug already known but then again, i'm not supposed to
see it happen and not have the new cut...

What a complex world... Tomacro, make it better :-)

Oldpainless, even though I like you somehow for the things you do, gendvd
can't tell me anything I'd believe from him... He would be the man holding my
wallet after pickpocketting saying it was an accident with no intent to steal...

I know the type, I ain't liking them at all...
Shouldn't be a problem. I will get thru to Tomacro eventually no matter how
hard big Guard Jackie is guarding the front door. There's no way around consumers
and sooner or later, they will understand that. Then we can achieve something
together.

Yes....Jackie will confirm that I have reported this........it's beta....I never lie..ever!...but when you are sent a beta in private....well...feedback is in private...so they can fix things....


So why post feedback (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=11709777&postcount=2345) that is supposed to be private? Now that seems like hypocritical behavior to me.

:confused: Avoiding my questions.. your responses are proving your a shifty character.

You muppet...lol

I said they are being fixed (as in someone is working them....or being added)


I would not have said it otherwise...when they are fixed, then I will report it as FIXED...not being fixed....

Anyways...have you had your Lim picked up yet?

K

Did i say something i'm not aware of (reference to lying never ever? Dunno
where it comes from). Anyway... let's not discuss private beta and hidden
feedback as it get's my stress levels back up... ouch... (so i just wasted 15
minutes to test this bug already known but then again, i'm not supposed to
see it happen and not have the new cut...

What a complex world... Tomacro, make it better :-)

Oldpainless, even though I like you somehow for the things you do, gendvd
can't tell me anything I'd believe from him... He would be the man holding my
wallet after pickpocketting saying it was an accident with no intent to steal...

I know the type, I ain't liking them at all...
Shouldn't be a problem. I will get thru to Tomacro eventually no matter how
hard big Guard Jackie is guarding the front door. There's no way around consumers
and sooner or later, they will understand that. Then we can achieve something
together.

Hi-Jack ....behave , you know what I meant, lol...............

and just for the record...I do trust Jackie (gendvd)....

K

I said they are being fixed (as in someone is working them....or being added)

I would not have said it otherwise...when they are fixed, then I will report it as FIXED...not being fixed....


Now that wasn't so hard to say. It certainly is a lot better than talking 3rd person.


Anyways...have you had your Lim picked up yet?


Actually I spoke to Jackie (gendvd) who did agree to have it repaired but I decided against it. To be honest, I don't want to wait 4-6 weeks turn around time to get the unit repaired and risk the possible 1/3000 failure rate (and be stuck worse off). I decided to improvise and bought a NDAS (http://www.welland.com.tw/html/network/740k.html) device that has USB/LAN so I have yet another power consuming device sitting in my media center. I must say though transfer speeds are quite fast.

So you won't get another limHD200i and get money back or something?
NDAS is cool for high transfer speed (gbit NDAS up to 50MBps and higher) and integrates very nicely with media
players supporting it (Tomacro?). I like especially that one moment you can hook it up to the network and the other
just to a PC over USB while seeing all contents from the drive... That's one hell of a great device allthough for wlan
dependencies on SCSI drivers and no access over IP, is than a limitation and you don't get the extra's you have with
NAS... Ideal for speed and quick access.

You can ignore me but I will not go away....I ask again, why so many reboots? If the answer is as simple as; Reboots are only required when loading new FW, then that would be good to know. If on the other had the Lim hangs often and requires a reboot then that is also good to know and is something that should be added to the list.

If as you say your involvement in this thread is purely because you like the lim and want to help make it into a great product then do not ignore issues like frequent re-booting.

How could I ignore you....:cool:....lol

There is no frequent re-booting....but there are bugs that are being worked out with DVD-ISO etc...

K

Now that wasn't so hard to say. It certainly is a lot better than talking 3rd person.



Actually I spoke to Jackie (gendvd) who did agree to have it repaired but I decided against it. To be honest, I don't want to wait 4-6 weeks turn around time to get the unit repaired and risk the possible 1/3000 failure rate (and be stuck worse off). I decided to improvise and bought a NDAS (http://www.welland.com.tw/html/network/740k.html) device that has USB/LAN so I have yet another power consuming device sitting in my media center. I must say though transfer speeds are quite fast.

If your network is busted...send it back....Jackie is always good for her word....ask for express delivery...

Just my 2 cents...no way she'd want you to be unhappy!....the rules are 90 day swap out and 12 month warrenty (jackie....come on...you did not offer this guy a repair?....)


K

I guess those people sticking to it are needing HD playback like the Tomacro
delivers upon. I also believe something more is missing than only WLAN on the
unit but it can easily be supported with USB adapters if they want it
(Tomacro). Dunno how much effect that will have on memory though...
(reflects on available memory for playback, hence the possible limitations
Tomacro needs to work with to achieve a model that please the max amount
of users)

Then again, wireless will not be sufficient for HD playback of mkv and VC-1
so what's the use of wishing this if not for normal content to playback?
So, is WLAN a good idea?

I consider the remote and WLAN the least of urgencies with Tomacro considering
the above though changing to the other remote would be better as it is a better
remote... :-)

FTP on the other hand is wishfull. It would requires read/write mount of the HDD
which again means less performance and a dangerous precedent for doing so, as
then we want bookmarks and other stuff that requires writing to HDD too (copy,
delete)

Hi-Jack not nit picking....but just watched a DVD on my projector....and christ it sucked!!!..

Just my 2 cents

K

So you won't get another limHD200i and get money back or something?


To me its not worth the trouble. I mean the network worked when I first got it, who's to say that it breaks again after the 4-6 week turn around? I digress.

If your network is busted...send it back....Jackie is always good for her word....ask for express delivery...

Just my 2 cents...no way she'd want you to be unhappy!....the rules are 90 day swap out and 12 month warrenty (jackie....come on...you did not offer this guy a repair?....)


For the record, Jackie did offer to repair the unit and have TNT fetch the lim, but as I mentioned its not worth my time. I still believe 50% that a new firmware will clear the ARP/ETH tables and my network will work again and if not .. well... I'm happy as is .. for now.

Hi-Jack not nit picking....but just watched a DVD on my projector....and christ it sucked!!!..

Just my 2 cents

K

I didn't say it plays in Quality, it plays. I can load the ISO files just fine on
hte new cut. Maybe when upscaling etc kicks in it sucks but I can't try that
(as my HDMI broken) and then again, I only checked for options remember to
give feedback...

Is it your beamer that sucks at it or the Tomacro (tricky question) :-)

Jackie and K.,
I got the words from TNT just today (after waited for >1wk) that they are going to pick up my defected USB unit next Monday. I am so glad I don't have to pay for the international shipping and handling. I hope the next unit I got, I can truly play with it more. Right now, I am sitting in the cold.

Hi-Jack,
I can confirm "In addition he reported a bug as where you shutdown the player and reboot it, brightness goes thru the roof." is true with my unit as well. But, one can fix that by pressing the setup button to adjust brightness, contrast and hue... Painful though.

All,
Just curious, why wouldn't these Media Player handle DV avi (dvsd codec)? Is it because of the chip? Is it even possible with the chip? Is dvsd more resource inefficient, that's why? I thought DV is still a large market.

Thanks again,
Perry

I didn't say it plays in Quality, it plays. I can load the ISO files just fine on
hte new cut. Maybe when upscaling etc kicks in it sucks but I can't try that
and then again, I only checked for options remember to give feedback...

Is it your beamer that sucks or the Tomacro (tricky question) :-)

Sorry Hi-Jack....I did not make myself clear....I have just watched a DVD film on my projector being played (720p over VGA) on my 360...and it sucked!...

K

Anyway guys...gonna go chill now....

I bid you all a good evening....

K

Sorry Hi-Jack....I did not make myself clear....I have just watched a DVD film on my projector being played (720p over VGA) on my 360...and it sucked!...

K

I c...
Anyway, bid you all a good evening as well.
God knows I fought my fights today...

Enjoy

I see the folder as the normal icon and inside I see my .ISO file with a disc icon. I'm sad to report though that ISO's do not play for me. The loading screen appears (TOP BLUE BAR WITH FILENAME) and then a BLACK BOX in the top righter corner (I'm guess it supposed to say PLEASE WAIT) but since its DARK black I have no idea. oh and I waited for 15 minutes, nothing. Bummer too ISO support would of been nice for a player valued over $400.

My test Result:
Now LimHD support ISO playback with ISO file name limitation: only use ASCII characters, if non-ACSII symbols be included in the ISO file name, then loading screen appears and then a BLACK BOX in the top righter corner - crash.

Hah ok, so I managed to get an unclean NTFS, perhaps from using fuse, on the mac, or unplugging it wrong.

That's not good. I have no way to check it since fuse just tells you to run chkdsk on Windows. Windows in parallels tries, but dies badly. (So badly I can't quit parallels). The laptop, tries but Windows hangs there too.

NTFS is a really bad choice for an embedded device. It is only NTFS because the export the USB raw. We only use USB because they don't have NAS features. It doesn't have NAS features because it is read-only NTFS.

Anyway, it is becoming very clear that ditching NTFS is the best thing, I shall try ext2 instead, then add FTP and NFSd.

My test Result:
Now LimHD support ISO playback with ISO file name limitation: only use ASCII characters, if non-ACSII symbols be included in the ISO file name, then loading screen appears and then a BLACK BOX in the top righter corner - crash.


Thanks conker! I had an apostrophe in the filename once removed the file played as expected. :)

Anyway, chkdsk a few times and we are back.

Nothing in 0921 affects any bugs I was looking for, BUT I did find there is a way around the dual audio tracks in AVI problem.

If you select the audio track you want (audio button, Track 1 for example) then use the Time button to jump anywhere in the movie (presumably 0:00:00 if you want to watch it from the start) it will change to the correct audio track.

So at least you can watch these movies using either Audio track.

Anyone has any response to : "why wouldn't these Media Player handle DV avi (dvsd codec or dvc codec)? Is it because of the chip? Is it even possible with the chip? Is dvsd more resource inefficient, that's why? I thought DV is still a large market."

Perry

Anyone has any response to : "why wouldn't these Media Player handle DV avi (dvsd codec or dvc codec)? Is it because of the chip? Is it even possible with the chip? Is dvsd more resource inefficient, that's why? I thought DV is still a large market."

Perry

Because of Sigma Design's decoding lib/mirocode don't support DVSD/DVC codec.

Conker, you are a member of Tomacro's engineering or QA staff, right?

Conker, you are a member of Tomacro's engineering or QA staff, right?

No, I'm just a consumer of LimHD200i and Tvix4100SH, but I developed other type of media players base on EM85xx before. I am a communication engineer and research audio /video compression & transmission algorithms (G.723.1/G.729/G.168/Mpeg4 etc.). I work in the research center of Nortel company.

But I like to play HD toys and games (Nintendo fans).

Conker, send you a download ink for beta 1.2.25
Fixes DTS audio drops and 1080p micro blocks...
Look forward hearing your comments.

(it's early beta with these fixes included. dvd iso and AVI is tuned now for release)

Enjoy

Anyway, chkdsk a few times and we are back.

Nothing in 0921 affects any bugs I was looking for, BUT I did find there is a way around the dual audio tracks in AVI problem.

If you select the audio track you want (audio button, Track 1 for example) then use the Time button to jump anywhere in the movie (presumably 0:00:00 if you want to watch it from the start) it will change to the correct audio track.

So at least you can watch these movies using either Audio track.

Ok...at least you have found a work around for the moment. I have mentioned the dual audio AVI issue to Jackie in my feedback in the latest cut.

K

Jackie/Fan...updated Lim User's Requirements Log........in order of priority...


1 HDMI selection fixed - ASAP in progress, current beta
2 720p/1080p MKV occasional sound drop fixed (I'm still sure this is due to the reading of the A/V timecode tables) in progress, current beta
3 WMV-HD with WMA 5.1 as 5.1 audio when digital encoded selected - added back in in progress, current beta
3.1 Select Multiple audio tracks in an AVI container
3.2 DVD ISO/IFO - Use globally-set aspect ratio (4x3 or 16x9) when starting DVD playback
4 Add VC-1 as a supported codec in an MKV container
5 Deinterlace option
6 24hz option added (video mode for Hi-Def material) in progress, current beta

7 DVD ISO/IFO enhancements. A) Video_TS folder – where a Video_TS folder contains the video_ts IFO file, the Lim should show the folder as a movie icon and when the user press’s play, the Lim should read the IFO file and start playing the movie. If the user press’s enter, then it should show the files. B) ISO files at root level should have the movie icon, folders that contain ISO files, should have a folder icon. C) Enable Subtitle and Audio from remote. D) Replace function button with Menu button for returning to DVD menu when playing DVD ISO/IFO. E) Use Time button on remote to show elapsed/remaining time.

8 Password protection, when accessing certain directories and for setup menu
9 Hide unconfigured or non-present devices in the main menu (no USB drives present -> don't show USB menu, NFS server not pingable -> don't show NFS etc.)

10 FTP support (copy, paste & delete)
11 Multiple NFS mounts
12 NAS support
13 EXT2/3 for Mac users

14 Evo container support (with multiple audio tracks)
15 Ability to use .m3u playlists
16 HD audio passthrough
17 FLAC support as an audio format and support for an audio track in MKV's
18 Video save points/resume
19 SRT support/font size etc
20 Better fast forward and rewind navigation wherever it's technically possible



Guys, this log is extremley valuable to Tomacro....so keep the ideas comming...remember this is a living log and will change with each new cut that is out.

K

hello! im new to this forum i have a limHD200i with 320gb F/w 1.73-070531 hook up with a 1080p projector. nice quality. i have some rip bluray.
i have not upgradet it. the hdmi works so i will whait for next F/w
ive had some problems with some of the .mkv files. the limhd would not reckon the files. do i have to convert them? ive tried just to just change the filename to. vob.mpg and so on.it does reckon then but does not play.

T

hello! im new to this forum i have a limHD200i with 320gb F/w 1.73-070531 hook up with a 1080p projector. nice quality. i have some rip bluray.
i have not upgradet it. the hdmi works so i will whait for next F/w
ive had some problems with some of the .mkv files. the limhd would not reckon the files. do i have to convert them? ive tried just to just change the filename to. vob.mpg and so on.it does reckon then but does not play.

T


That's an old firmware version...don't think that one supports MKV....try here...

http://www.gendvd.com/content.asp?ContentID=5

or here

http://www.tomacro.com/english/Download.htm

If you want MKV suppport, try Build 1.60beta3-070914....do remember it's a beta....or you could wait for the next cut....should not be too long.

Or update to Version: Build 070707 and search MKV2TS v.86 in this forum. This will allow you to change the MKV container to a TS container that the Lim will play (720p only, but no quality loss as you are merely changing containers)

K

Ok...at least you have found a work around for the moment. I have mentioned the dual audio AVI issue to Jackie in my feedback in the latest cut.

K

We almost need an FAQ for the various button, 10-hit, combos to achieve some things .. well.. the avi thing, and Repeat twice I guess sums it up :)

We almost need an FAQ for the various button, 10-hit, combos to achieve some things .. well.. the avi thing, and Repeat twice I guess sums it up :)

:D

K

We almost need an FAQ for the various button, 10-hit, combos to achieve some things .. well.. the avi thing, and Repeat twice I guess sums it up :)

Don't forget stopping dvd playback before turning lim off. (Otherwise resulting in maximum brightness setting, the next time you turn it on)

Ah, so THAT'S how that happens. Only problem is, the limHD sometimes crashes during DVD playback, so one can't always take that precaution.

Ah, so THAT'S how that happens. Only problem is, the limHD sometimes crashes during DVD playback, so one can't always take that precaution.

I never had it crash during playback.
It does however crash starting some DVD's (video_ts.ifo). I can't figure out why.:mad:

I never had it crash during playback.
It does however crash starting some DVD's (video_ts.ifo). I can't figure out why.:mad:


I've only ever tested a few DVD ISO's....so I'm not an authority on it. The aspect ratio bug has been reported...

However, seems like you guys are having some crashes with DVD ISO/IFO playback?....any stats? like how many have been tried etc...is it ramdom or on certain files?

Cheers

K

I've only ever tested a few DVD ISO's....so I'm not an authority on it. The aspect ratio bug has been reported...

However, seems like you guys are having some crashes with DVD ISO/IFO playback?....any stats? like how many have been tried etc...is it ramdom or on certain files?

Cheers

K

I somewhere read that is won't start files with odd characters in the name (like apostrof ' ).
Once playing, it does not crash (my experience)

I somewhere read that is won't start files with odd characters in the name (like apostrof ' ).
Once playing, it does not crash (my experience)

Yeah....one of the guys mentioned that....so no crashes during playback....ok...cool...Mark....you said crashes during playback?...is there a pattern? What do you use to rip your DVD's to the hard drive?.......I've not seen any crashes yet with DVD playback...so If there is an issue we need to isolate it...

K

Does someone have already try casino royale .m2ts file ?
My file is from the PAL blu-ray, and there is sometimes some sound drop then the image freeze, start, freeze ... If I change the audio track the movie restart normally.
I have try the same file on my computer and it works fine.


.m2ts info :
Format : BluRay Video
Format/Family : MPEG-2
Taille du fichier : 31.9 Gio

Video #0
Codec : AVC
Codec/Info : MPEG-4 AVC
Profile du codec : High@L4.1
Largeur : 1920 pixels
Hauteur : 1088 pixels
Format à l'écran : 16/9
PixelAspectRatio : 1.000
DisplayAspectRatio : 1.765

Audio #0
Codec : AC3
Débit : 448 Kbps
Type de débit : CBR
Canaux : 6 canaux
Position des cannaux : Front: L C R, Rear: L R, Subwoofer
Echantillonnage : 48 KHz

Audio #1
Codec : AC3
Débit : 448 Kbps
Type de débit : CBR
Canaux : 6 canaux
Position des cannaux : Front: L C R, Rear: L R, Subwoofer
Echantillonnage : 48 KHz

It does as you already know this by reading the thread --I shouldn't have to outline it. But ... macro-block does not exist and can play much more HD content than TViX can (at the moment). I would suspect the lim to start sprinting waaayy ahead when the next firmware cut is made, IMHO.

Well, with the latest 1.2.25 FW TViX does not have macroblocks anymore.
The very high bitrate MKV file (http://rapidshare.com/files/59124525/HD.DVD.Intro.1080P.x264.5.1.AC3_cut-001.mkv) plays smoothly. And all others including 720p don't have this bug. I don't have that many MKVs with high bitrate and I didn't test them from start to the end but so far I haven't noticed any problems. Still I must admit there are some bugs (ISO files) and improvements (subtitles in MKVs).

I wonder why Dvico didn't work that hard until unknown at that time Tomacro decided to produce a similar player. :)

Why would I buy a 8634-based test device if my player handles most of the content.

The first message from DViCo dates from Feb 2007 when they had the player on the drawing table. They where already looking for software coding to play mkv from the start since Sigma did and still does not support it unlike VC-1.

The version you have is a proof concept for showing the micro blocks are
fixed as also the DTS audio drops (test verification). They are now continuing
on ISO and AVI.Hence, it was communicated in the release notes.

Anyway, back to Tomacro...
Hope they are discussing options as I see quite some people turning around
on Tomacro these days and it ain't hard to keep them interested with a little effort. It's loosing grip on the only lead it has...

Enjoy

Originally Posted by av_noob
It does as you already know this by reading the thread --I shouldn't have to outline it. But ... macro-block does not exist and can play much more HD content than TViX can (at the moment). I would suspect the lim to start sprinting waaayy ahead when the next firmware cut is made, IMHO.

@Sarcastic@
Nonsense. But I won't go to deep into that. We should encourage Tomacro to
make progress and if thinking they are "far" ahead helps... then so be it. Well
done Tomacro. You got all my support to keep tests limited, make QA failures
from here to China and make no progress whatsoever which you can show
consumers in 16 days from a list of over 20 items by now for product in
"progress"... Hip Hip Hoeraaaaaa...

Not saying DViCo is better in HD, it ain't and we all know why and how...
With the latest release a serious gap is again closed (1080p micro blocks)
bringing DvICo awfully close to Tomacro while they make no progress at all...

That's the truth. Like it or not.
Enjoy the weekend.

Well, with the latest 1.2.25 FW TViX does not have macroblocks anymore.
The very high bitrate MKV file (http://rapidshare.com/files/59124525/HD.DVD.Intro.1080P.x264.5.1.AC3_cut-001.mkv) plays smoothly. And all others including 720p don't have this bug. I don't have that many MKVs with high bitrate and I didn't test them from start to the end but so far I haven't noticed any problems. Still I must admit there are some bugs (ISO files) and improvements (subtitles in MKVs).

I wonder why Dvico didn't work that hard until unknown at that time Tomacro decided to produce a similar player. :)

Why would I buy a 8634-based test device if my player handles most of the content.

;)

K

@Sarcastic@
Nonsense. But I won't go to deep into that. We should encourage Tomacro to
make progress and if thinking they are "far" ahead helps... then so be it. Well
done Tomacro. You got all my support to keep tests limited, make QA failures
from here to China and make no progress whatsoever which you can show
consumers in 16 days from a list of over 20 items by now for product in
"progress"... Hip Hip Hoeraaaaaa...

Not saying DViCo is better in HD, it ain't and we all know why and how...
With the latest release a serious gap is again closed (1080p micro blocks)
bringing DvICo awfully close to Tomacro while they make no progress at all...

That's the truth. Like it or not.
Enjoy the weekend.


Hi-Jack....you been on the wine again...lol

K

Well, I consider Tomacro guys did a very good job nevertheless.
They challenged well-known companies such as Dvico, Netgear, Ziova, etc. and even though their developing resources are smaller they found a niche in the market. We, as consumers, only benefit of such tense competition. Sigma revealed their processors long time ago and only today we can have players based on their chips.
And of course, Tomacro made good decision betting on features that Dvico couldn't provide - HD content with other features disabled for now. Otherwise, they wouldn't just survive in this highly competitive world.

To that I agree. I'm not saying they "done" a bad job, i'm saying they doing a bad job
nowa nd the slow progress prooves it. Despite the raw power it has, there's nothing
active about the player. Not the scene, not the brand, no real action = no fun though
it could be so much more.

Hence, maybe one day i'll eat my words... I'd be happy too...

Well, I consider Tomacro guys did a very good job nevertheless.
They challenged well-known companies such as Dvico, Netgear, Ziova, etc. and even though their developing resources are smaller they found a niche in the market. We, as consumers, only benefit of such tense competition. Sigma revealed their processors long time ago and only today we can have players based on their chips.
And of course, Tomacro made good decision betting on features that Dvico couldn't provide - HD content with other features disabled for now.

And that's just why I bought the Lim.
I don't care about music playlists or picture slideshows.
I want HD material and DVD playing smoothly.
Tomacro should concentrate their efforts on that, and not get sidetracked trying to compete with the others.
Thusfar i'm content, 'cause it beats my old snazio by far.

Snazio can hardly be called competition for the latest players. i'm gald some people like
it and are happy with it but the "some" is a problem. They need "many" to expand
resources and keep them on the development track which doesn't reveal much up
till now.

In my personal opinion, the DVD playback is all beit functional on the LimHD200i. I don't
know what you need from it, but it sounds like you only need Play and FF/RW as that
about all there is to it... (Bookmarks, progressive zoom, pan and scan, shift, step, frame
by frame, slow playback etc... nothing is featured and using Function to return to main
menu? Audio and Subtitle buttons not functioning? It all adds up to the limitations it
displays and low level of convenience...

In Asia, people don't ask more and they don't care if they need to use 8 players to have
it all. Europe is a different picture. I don't think or feel the Tomacro get's off the ground
as it could be... You are entitled to be happy but most normal customers will find these
limitations and missing features / convenience a killer on their decision for getting one.

We are not talking about the geek sitting in his office behind PC with beamer. We are
talking about families, people that want to relax and and rewind scenes to watch slowly
to enjoy effect or bloopers etc... There's tons of tiny reasons why such options come in
handy and for a pricy player (just like all are pricy) also the tomacro should deliver
convenience and quality.

It's a young product and I'm afraid it will remain young 4ever.

Enjoy

For distributoion, contact FAN.
I don't know what prices they offered but some of our contacts are in this range:

- 270 USD$ per unit (30+) without HDD
- 339 USD$ per unit (30+) with 320GB HDD
(they do offer 10 at the same price though if you insist)

As far as we have picked up, Tomacro targets a MOQ of 50 units per sale but they
accept lower quantities knowing the player is still not mature enough and all sales are
currently welcome, even little ones.

3% spare parts delivered with orders.
Failure rate official by Tomacro = 3 / 1000

Hope that gives you some info on the sales prices from Tomacro.
(We always investigate pricing and see that different people get the same offers. It's all
part of our validation for brands... Just in case you wonder how we get this data...)

Enjoy


This confirms what I thought : GenDVD is speaking as if they are Tomacro when they clearly are not. And then they have the balls of coming in here and give you legal threats that they couldn't even begin to apply.

Jackie, nice going there... You obviously have no ethics.

People,

Let's try getting this thing back into the "helpful user" territory! ..Preferably thread related.

I’m getting bored with so many posts that do NOT assist me or others!

Well, if Tomacro produced FW updates every day then people would probably talk about it.
Of course, we could flood this thread with messages such as
"Jackie, is the new FW out yet? I cannot wait anymore ...".
I believe no users with problems/suggestions regarding limHD are left behind.
Kevin voluntarily maintains features requests list and Tomacro are busy following it.

Well, I consider Tomacro guys did a very good job nevertheless.
They challenged well-known companies such as Dvico, Netgear, Ziova, etc. and even though their developing resources are smaller they found a niche in the market. We, as consumers, only benefit of such tense competition. Sigma revealed their processors long time ago and only today we can have players based on their chips.
And of course, Tomacro made good decision betting on features that Dvico couldn't provide - HD content with other features disabled for now. Otherwise, they wouldn't just survive in this highly competitive world.

Well sure, if we had to get a device out with just HD functionality then it wouldnt be too hard to come up with the best in that category. Unfortunately this is a multi-purpose device and when users come to the web site to make a purchase it needs to be revealed that the unit's main purpose and functionality is for HD playback which they have done an admirable job. Hi-Jack and others have also mentioned, keep adding features ot the unit to get functionality like all other media players and thats when something will have to give and I think this is what the LIM is reluctant to do as at some point it will reach a break point.

I have already tested Tvix with new beta FW, resolved MacroBlock and DTS problems, made a progress this time what we focus attention, Shortenned the distance with LimHD.

But this sacrifices system's stability as a cost, all of these progress are to change with the system stability, I feel this new FW is very unsteady, there is quite a few bugs, usually crash, and will appear a lot of puzzling problems (such as along with play time, the system becomes slowly, suddenly all files can't be played, need reboot, etc....etc...)

Same, the latest firmware of LimHD also has a few similar of problems, so I draw a conclusion:

All new FWs of LimHD and Tvix are based on the Sigma's recent new Lib/Microcode which is full of bugs yet, though it solved the playback problems of H.264 HP@L5.1 encoded MKV, I suggest the two brands don't release FWs based on the new unsteady Lib/Microcode, because only Sigma can solve the bugs of Lib/Microcode, return to previous stable Lib/Microcode, and make FW development.

In the meantime I hope the two brands perfect their products step by step, also hope that the related personnels don't carry on the meaningless saliva war again, because this can't bring a meaningful help to their respective customers, but damage your credit standing, unless you throw your personal ethics far far away.


Welcome everyone puts forward a different opinion.


Conker

This confirms what I thought : GenDVD is speaking as if they are Tomacro when they clearly are not. And then they have the balls of coming in here and give you legal threats that they couldn't even begin to apply.

Jackie, nice going there... You obviously have no ethics.


We do not want to do the silly argument with Hi-Jack on the forums.
Everything he said is in no sense. No one wants to believe a human who takes defaming others as his main job and fun. We believe the main job for an agent is to supply the best service to all our customers and try his best to help his customers. We believe all our customers can give us the most fair comments and valuable suggestion not Hi-jack. We want to use the best quality service and the best price to prove our sincerity.
We hope everybody can enjoy ourselves on the forum.


The price mentioned by Hi-jack is the old price we have a month ago, we now have more preferential prices, hope all the customers all the people who sincerely want to be our agent can contact with us gendvd2000@yahoo.com We are looking forward to everyone’ sincere inquiry. Thank you for your always support.
Sincerely Jackie

I have already tested Tvix with new beta FW, resolved MacroBlock and DTS problems, made a progress this time what we focus attention, Shortenned the distance with LimHD.

But this sacrifices system's stability as a cost, all of these progress are to change with the system stability, I feel this new FW is very unsteady, there is quite a few bugs, usually crash, and will appear a lot of puzzling problems (such as along with play time, the system becomes slowly, suddenly all files can't be played, need reboot, etc....etc...)

Conker

Conker, I did not give you the release notes (my bad) but the beta release
was internal only (beta test team 50+ users) to verify microbloxk and DTS
audio fixed. There are issues because the full dev on the beta is ongoing.
(ISO, AVI playback and mkv playback when using SRT are troublesome and
instable but we new that before the release already.

Hence, this is what we ask from Tomacro. Show us the progress while you
make it, not by hear say but by showing. Kevin is doing a great job and in
some extent maybe even GenDVD (from who'm i've seen nothing but
commercials for his shop) but point is, why are these the contacts for
customers? Not a problem anyway. It does not damage me personally.

Enjoy
Hi-Jack

The price mentioned by Hi-jack is the old price we have a month ago, we now have more preferential prices, hope all the customers all the people who sincerely want to be our agent can contact with us gendvd2000@yahoo.com We are looking forward to everyone’ sincere inquiry. Thank you for your always support.
Sincerely Jackie


Another post with hardly info in it except for gendvd again.
You are one big liar Jackie as excuse me, these price is the price sent to our
partners last week by Tomacro marketing and sales!! Ain't that a bitch that I
can proove you wrong again and manipulative? (we have 400 partners in
Europe and some have asked pricing, we don't make them)

You are somehow linked to Tomacro without telling people, acting as a
normal well willing helpfull reseller and all you do is take feedback and send it
to Tomacro. How about sending info from them to the forums for a change?
At least then you would be more acceptable to be here posting by launching
both info and gendvd news. Now it's only one sided and some call hat "greed".

You don't need a silly argument with me or anyone else nor need you to listen anyone (never heard you contact anyone to discuss the problems with your setup and Tomacro). We are just customers that serve one purpose to you "buy from me me me me". While you are a big shot "whatever" over there in China, you are as much as anyone else in here, a norma forum user... nothing more, nothing less so throw away your "i'm the man" complex...

AND STOP WRITING IN BIG RED to get attention or abuse the forums for
commercial activities. Just in case you wonder, i'm proud to defend the
majority of people not to fall for you setup, lis and for the product which is
immature. The day it is mature, I will blow it all over the net and be happy to do so...

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Van: **********************************
Verzonden: vrijdag 28 september 2007 12:00
Thanks for your order first.

Quantity: 8 PCS
GW: 37
Price: 269 USD $/PCS
Shipping cost: 260 USD $/37 KG DHL door to door (Check the price with DHL, it's the best price)

If you agree on the above, I can send you a P.I. as soon as possilbe.
Please seriously consider our cooperation.

Have a nice day!


Now surely this was a mistake, right? An error... Inconsistency... failure? Miscommunication?

We want to use the best quality service and the best price to prove our sincerity.
Yip, and I just prooved you do indeed.

Now you have a nice day Jackie.
You are loosing trust and confidence by the minute...
and Jackie, no one wants silly arguments if they know thay can't win them. All you do is talk, all i do is launch facts
about you, Tomacro and the player and even so deep down in this dicsussion going on for weeks, no one has yet
established to proof the things I say are wrong or not important to be included in a buy decision, especially if bought
from you with your "value" in this discussion so far.

I'm part (big part) of spoiling this thread but the only choice is letting you get away with your scheme or react and I
prefer to react. The day you can have a long and healthy discussion, i'll be ready. As long as all that comes out of
your mouth is "gendvd", "quality" and "buy from me", you are worth nothing to customers... They ask for info on
players, not on your shop and with info I mean all info, not just the parts that work.

Take an example to kevin.
If you'd offer the same attention to stuff as he and a little less on gendvd promotion, we would make better progress.

Busy nite then (UK time)...lol

K

I'm part (big part) of spoiling this thread

Not the smartest thing to say was it...:(

K

Ok...quick show of hands.....of the folks that have bought a lim...what was your main driver for buying it...

A) SD playback
B) HD playback
C) General purpose network player

Do please take the time to respond as this drives development..............please only choose one (so no "X, but......") other features are being worked on...but, like I ask in the question, what was your MAIN driver for buying the Lim?


Cheers

K

That's hardly a poll Oldpainless...
Everyone bought the LimHD200i for HD, doesn't mean it delivers convenience and
functionality beside playback or is worth it's money. Main driver is without doubt HD
playback but does that mean no one wants convenience, handling of features, methods
of copying files over, use more network resources and get decent ISO support?

There's not much to quote the LimHD200i upon beside raw power.
The final score would be somewhat:

- HD Performance 9 (Excellent HD performance up to 1080p)
- SD / ISO Performance: 4 (could be 7 if ISO works really well and adds all features)
- Network abilities: 6 (limits 1 source, no file copy)
- Convenience / features: 4 (hardly any additional features beside playback all over)
- Quality Price / Value: 7 (build is not high quality but medium, size, expensive for what it delivers)

Total score: 30 / 50 translates into 6/10 final score.
This is my personal opinion and score. Not the one related to MPC review. It would come our even worse there...

To start your poll...
I got it "as" media player in general with added HD support.

Thanks Hi-Jack....let's hear from the consumers of the product please...

K

Not the smartest thing to say was it...:(

K

You knwo what I mean we get constant discussions between resellers and
myself or people related to Tomacro or in the pro camp. I know it spoils the
thread for a big part but I can't sit asside... It's honest and true, i'm a part
of spoiling this thread with these discussions just like gendvd with his commercial mumbo jumbo and so far...

I apologise to the readers for that and AVS.
Still beats saying nothing about it all for me... I can sleep at night... :-)
trying to not get carried away anymore...

I vote for

C) SD and HD playback

make a, b and c where c ist for sd and hd, no one can say that he only wanna play hd stuff do you then have an second device for sd stuff?!?! The lim stands in my room without any function only to try out if something changed (new firmwares), i´m still playing all my stuff with an iamm ntd36hd because it is stable for sd stuff (avi, iso, video_ts, ............). The 10 movies i have in HD (30-40MB/sec) i take for testing.
Dont you have dvd´s avi´s because only to have an lim for watching 40+ HD movies noo thx the main videos you can watch are sd, so it has to do also the sd stuff great.

cHarOn

I vote for

C) SD and HD playback

make a, b and c where c ist for sd and hd, no one can say that he only wanna play hd stuff do you then have an second device for sd stuff?!?! The lim stands in my room without any function only to try out if something changed (new firmwares), i´m still playing all my stuff with an iamm ntd36hd because it is stable for sd stuff (avi, iso, video_ts, ............). The 10 movies i have in HD (30-40MB/sec) i take for testing.
Dont you have dvd´s avi´s because only to have an lim for watching 40+ HD movies noo thx the main videos you can watch are sd, so it has to do also the sd stuff great.

cHarOn


Thanks...that 1 in...that wasn't the question, but thanks for taking the time to respond

K

Does someone have already try casino royale .m2ts file ?
My file is from the PAL blu-ray, and there is sometimes some sound drop then the image freeze, start, freeze ... If I change the audio track the movie restart normally.
I have try the same file on my computer and it works fine.


.m2ts info :
Format : BluRay Video
Format/Family : MPEG-2
Taille du fichier : 31.9 Gio

Video #0
Codec : AVC
Codec/Info : MPEG-4 AVC
Profile du codec : High@L4.1
Largeur : 1920 pixels
Hauteur : 1088 pixels
Format à l'écran : 16/9
PixelAspectRatio : 1.000
DisplayAspectRatio : 1.765

Audio #0
Codec : AC3
Débit : 448 Kbps
Type de débit : CBR
Canaux : 6 canaux
Position des cannaux : Front: L C R, Rear: L R, Subwoofer
Echantillonnage : 48 KHz

Audio #1
Codec : AC3
Débit : 448 Kbps
Type de débit : CBR
Canaux : 6 canaux
Position des cannaux : Front: L C R, Rear: L R, Subwoofer
Echantillonnage : 48 KHz


Sorry, your question got lost in all the other "interesting" post's....:rolleyes:

Are you playing this from the Lim's internal hard drive, USB or NFS? Should work fine from the Lim's internal hard drive...

K

All new FWs of LimHD and Tvix are based on the Sigma's recent new Lib/Microcode which is full of bugs yet, though it solved the playback problems of H.264 HP@L5.1 encoded MKV, I suggest the two brands don't release FWs based on the new unsteady Lib/Microcode, because only Sigma can solve the bugs of Lib/Microcode, return to previous stable Lib/Microcode, and make FW development.

Conker

Conker, it would be better for stability on both units but for Tomacro that would be a disaster as it would mean the player will start suffering from Microblocks using 1080p files, right? I think that would be unacceptable for a pure HD player and could result in very long waiting for proper playback if returned to previous versions and then there's the 1080p message on Tomacro product specs and commercials conflicting with this.

Sigma lowe level code has always been buggy. With better progress also
there, all brands would benefit in making their players better too... Let's hope
they fix instabilities. The other problem is, by changing low level code every
time, a lot of changes apply to their existing code as well again pushing away
release dates...

General network player (90% what I watch is regular tv, and movies). BUT, I didn't want to buy something already obsolete, so that it could do HD (which is what I consider "next step" was more future planning). Network, with SD and DVD is still essential here.

Oh and it HAD to be a box I could play with. Black-boxes are not something I will ever buy again, nor support in any way. (similarly, all DRM etc).

Anyone know of other forums with high technical level? This is turning out to be teenage "my dad is bigger than your dad" style arguments, which is tedious to say the least. This is the Lim forum, everything should be about the Lim.

Nor do I need protection from "evil sales people" - I hardly run out to buy two boxes of calais just because an email told me to, they get filtered for what they are, spam.

General network player (90% what I watch is regular tv, and movies). BUT, I didn't want to buy something already obsolete, so that it could do HD (which is what I consider "next step" was more future planning). Network, with SD and DVD is still essential here.

Oh and it HAD to be a box I could play with. Black-boxes are not something I will ever buy again, nor support in any way. (similarly, all DRM etc).

Anyone know of other forums with high technical level? This is turning out to be teenage "my dad is bigger than your dad" style arguments, which is tedious to say the least. This is the Lim forum, everything should be about the Lim.

Nor do I need protection from "evil sales people" - I hardly run out to buy two boxes of calais just because an email told me to, they get filtered for what they are, spam.

Ok...great thanks....so, is there anything not in the top 7 items on the Lim Users Requirements log that you would like to see? (page 87) (network enhancements i think is in the next block for development)

K

Sorry, your question got lost in all the other "interesting" post's....:rolleyes:

Are you playing this from the Lim's internal hard drive, USB or NFS? Should work fine from the Lim's internal hard drive...

K


hehe :) playing from the hard drive... I have try another .m2ts and they work fine.

hehe :) playing from the hard drive... I have try another .m2ts and they work fine.

Well, I don't have the answer then...lol....I did have a 1080p MKV that I thought played ok on the PC but not on the Lim....but on closer inspection, there were one or two issues with the file...

K

Well, I don't have the answer then...lol....I did have a 1080p MKV that I thought played ok on the PC but not on the Lim....but on closer inspection, there were one or two issues with the file...

K

Closer inspection.... ? What can i try to fix this ?

Thanks.

Closer inspection.... ? What can i try to fix this ?

Thanks.

If it was an MKV, i'd remux it..don't know if TSremux might sort it or not....I don't know too much about m2ts....

Madshi might know the tools....

K

Ok...great thanks....so, is there anything not in the top 7 items on the Lim Users Requirements log that you would like to see? (page 87) (network enhancements i think is in the next block for development)

K

DVD CSS support, if they are willing.

DVD CSS support, if they are willing.

I remember a while back you mentioned another solution to CSS? could you expand on that a little?

K

I'm trying it myself. I can get libdvdcss to compile and get me the keys, so one could try to load them into Sigma.

I was hoping to mount fuse-dvdread-fs and it'd all just work, but fuse turned out difficult to get to run, due to the ancient kernel version they went with.

At the moment I am wondering if I can load the key into Sigma (or even use Sigmas functions to authenticate the drive and get keys).

I open /dev/em8xxx0, issue ioctl(SET_PROPERTY) with moduleId of "44" (DemuxTask) and proId of 6182 (set_CSStitlekey), but it always returns zero, does nothing. Could be I'm suppose to use that moduleIndex thing as well (shifted right 8 bits) but without docs it sure is not easy. I have not found anyone who has worked with Sigma before :)

So, it can be done, just not sure how yet. All the CSS functions are in there, so Tomacro need but to call them, but it may involve a license thing for them that might cost money. fuse/dvdread-fs would be a free way to do it, but without the same kernel version it is hard for me to compile it.

I'm trying it myself. I can get libdvdcss to compile and get me the keys, so one could try to load them into Sigma.

I was hoping to mount fuse-dvdread-fs and it'd all just work, but fuse turned out difficult to get to run, due to the ancient kernel version they went with.

At the moment I am wondering if I can load the key into Sigma (or even use Sigmas functions to authenticate the drive and get keys).

I open /dev/em8xxx0, issue ioctl(SET_PROPERTY) with moduleId of "44" (DemuxTask) and proId of 6182 (set_CSStitlekey), but it always returns zero, does nothing. Could be I'm suppose to use that moduleIndex thing as well (shifted right 8 bits) but without docs it sure is not easy. I have not found anyone who has worked with Sigma before :)

So, it can be done, just not sure how yet. All the CSS functions are in there, so Tomacro need but to call them, but it may involve a license thing for them that might cost money. fuse/dvdread-fs would be a free way to do it, but without the same kernel version it is hard for me to compile it.

OK....thanks

K

Ok...quick show of hands.....of the folks that have bought a lim...what was your main driver for buying it...

A) SD playback
B) HD playback
C) General purpose network player


K

B) HD playback

Of course DVD playback is a desirable addition. But High Def Films and series are my thing.
Network playack (wireless) doesn't go smoothly, so FTP access to the internal harddisk of the lim is on the top 3 of my 'I would like Tomacro to fix'-list;)

I hope we can expect in future firmware .m2ts and .evo subtitles management.

B) HD playback

Of course DVD playback is a desirable addition. But High Def Films and series are my thing.
Network playack (wireless) doesn't go smoothly, so FTP access to the internal harddisk of the lim is on the top 3 of my 'I would like Tomacro to fix'-list;)

Ok...that's 3 in...thanks for taking the time to respond.....FTP is in the next development block.....the trick with FTP will be to implement it so it does not hit the other functions (requires read and write), but I'm sure Tomacro will find a way...

K

I hope we can expect in future firmware .m2ts and .evo subtitles management.

That's a good point....I will add this to the log, put it up here and get it across to Jackie and Tomacro...I may have to split it out, as EVO is a new container (3rd dev block) and we don't want to add new containers until everything that is currently supported works 100%...it just makes sense, otherwise you end up all over the place...

K

I agree with Hi-Jack, here is my priority:
- HD Performance 9 (Excellent HD performance up to 1080p)
- SD / ISO Performance: 7 (could be 7 if ISO works really well and adds all features)
- Network abilities: 3 (limits 1 source, no file copy)
- Convenience / features: 4 (hardly any additional features beside playback all over)
- Quality Price / Value: 7 (build is not high quality but medium, size, expensive for what it delivers)

Yes, enought though I purchased Lim, I really did not think since it handles HDV, it has a hardtime handling SD!?? I was under the impression it will handle it all, but I failed to figure out it does not handle dvsd or dvc and that's 90% of all the markets there is in the US. I was hoping to capture all my personal DV tapes to the Lim and be able to pull up something at anytime to play it without having to seek for it. Then, at anytime, I can drag it to the computer for edit. Now, my dream is broken, but I will stick with HD recording only since it does support .m2t.

My $.02.
Perry

If I were allowed to vote(I don't own one, but I would if....); I would vote for a player that did everything it was advertised it could do!:)

B) HD playback

But I do have a bunch of DVDs, so that is important.

The main things I would like to see fixed/added are
1. HD Audio pass-through over HDMI (In my opinion, this should be part of HD playback, and near/at the top of the list).
2. FTP access.

I really did not think since it handles HDV, it has a hardtime handling SD!?? I was under the impression it will handle it all, but I failed to figure out it does not handle dvsd or dvc and that's 90% of all the markets there is in the US.

The DV codec is useful for consumer grade digital video editing but is definitely not 90% of the general market for SD video outside of that application. It is just too bulky for general use.

Why not keep your DV AVIs somewhere safe, in case you ever need them, and just batch transcode the AVIs to much smaller, high-bitrate XviD or MPEG-2 files for playback on the limHD? You can leave the uncompressed 48 KHz audio intact if you prefer- just change the video codec. VirtualDub would make quick work of this project.

I doubt Sigma will ever add DV codec support to their SDK because this codec is already falling out of favor. None of the new HDD or flash-based camcorders record DV files (even though the hard drive ones technically could).

HDV is nothing more than 1440x1080i MPEG-2, which of course is much more broadly supported. No specific "HDV" support is required in a playback device.

Your post seems to imply that you only want to have one copy of your DV content sitting around (which is understandable given the large size of these 30 Mbps files). But I would not recommend letting the limHD access your only copy of content you value. It is just too risky. ALWAYS keep a backup. I don't trust the limHD further than I could throw it, and given its weight, that's not very far... :)

Mark,
Thanks for your professional advice. I appreciate it.

BTW, I always keep the original, but having it on the HDD for easy access and edit if needed, then I don't need to recapture would be a dream. If the HDD copy failed, I can always go back to the orignial and recapture. Can you imagine for editing, I have to look through the tapes, I have ~100 DVs, to see which portion is which, then play again to capture, the number of hours this will take? (I started writting in contents with HH:MM:SS for each segments, but the rewinding and playing still very time consuming.)

Also, before you say batch transcode them, you have to capture them first. That takes 1:1, thus ~60min per tape, then, transcoding takes at least 50% of the time, therefore 1 tape = 90+ min! If I need its content for editing, then, I have to go back and repeat the process, thus 180min per tape per use.

Well, yes DV could be bulky, but, that codec is much less compressed, I would think it is not processing intensive to do. I could be wrong, but, my thinking was if HDV camcorder is able to handle both HDV (MPEG2) and also DV (dvsd or dvc), then, why not a "media player"? Again, I am just being niave.

Thanks for your insight.

Perry

I agree, it's definitely not a processing power issue. Sigma would just need to write the microcode to support it in the EM8623.

Capturing from DV tapes sure IS a royal pain, and it sucks to spend hours on it and then discover dropouts in the middle. It's worthwhile keeping the tapes around, just in case, but by backup, I meant keep the captured DV AVIs either on a hard drive or DVD-Rs. Our children will certainly be fortunate to live in a mostly tapeless world!

Comparative Evaluation of the dismantling and play between LimHD200i＆TViX-HD M-4100SH

These days, on the Forum vendors for Tvix M-4100SH Hi-jack has been passing wrong messages to everybody that is 4100SH is better than LimHD200i both from performance or function, is this really true? Through the just actual evaluation, it shows that the overall evaluation of LimHD200i obviously superior to 4100SH. Hi-jack’s irresponsible words and deeds is a completely profiteers’. Why do I have to say so? Let us use the actual evaluation to tell.

http://www.hdav.com.cn/images/4100-1-BE1.jpg
http://www.hdav.com.cn/images/4100-2-.jpg

Full View, small size, very light, conveniently portable are the merits of 4100SH. To view all, the plastic mold design is ok,

http://www.hdav.com.cn/images/4100-3-.jpg
http://www.hdav.com.cn/images/4100-4.jpg
http://www.hdav.com.cn/images/4100-5.jpg

with back panels, built-in power supply; we can see that entrance
220-volt voltage Interface like limHD200i.4100SH uses component output while limHD200i uses VGA. Actually VGA and component can be conversed to reach exactly the same effect because they have the same chip design.

http://www.hdav.com.cn/images/4100-9.jpg

Bottom drive lagging

http://www.hdav.com.cn/images/4100-10.jpg
http://www.hdav.com.cn/images/4100-11.jpg

Back View

http://www.hdav.com.cn/images/4100-12.jpg

Interface

http://www.hdav.com.cn/images/4100-13.jpg

Fans, four centimeters small fan with noise, but limHD200i used all quiet design.

http://www.hdav.com.cn/images/4100-14.jpg

Nameplate, Made in China

http://www.hdav.com.cn/images/4100-16.jpg

Remove drive lagging

http://www.hdav.com.cn/images/4100-19.jpg

The Hard Drive bay has only one side, although it is in silver color actually plastic products, so we are very worried about its cooling function. Around drives are all plastic, so it can not cooling, only using one small fan for the cooling also serve for power and decoding chips.
But the whole body of LimHD200i covered by aluminum, and its hard drive fixator also use aluminum. So heat can be conducted out very easily. In fact it shows that our fears are correct, after 4100SH broadcast for about three hours; the picture began cards, or even deadlock.

http://www.hdav.com.cn/images/4100-20.jpg
http://www.hdav.com.cn/images/4100-22.jpg

SATA interface. I am very responsible to tell you that 8623 only support IDE; 4100SH support SATA through the adapter chips, so actually it has slower speed than IDE, the only benefit is to support SATA. Although such a design is more convenient for you to buy SATA drives, but this sacrifices system's capability as a cost, transmission rate of 4100 is obviously lower than limHD200i

http://www.hdav.com.cn/images/4100-23.jpg
http://www.hdav.com.cn/images/4100-24.jpg
http://www.hdav.com.cn/images/4100-25.jpg
http://www.hdav.com.cn/images/4100-26.jpg
http://www.hdav.com.cn/images/4100-27.jpg

Now let us start dismantling, 4100 use the card design, no screws, so it is very difficult to take it apart. It use the plastic molding polymer, easily surpassed ,even after being observing for a long time you still can not find the easy way to do it. Anyway I will continue opening it although I have not find the trick, but a bad flash is broken, there is no problem to equip, but we can only treat it as a demo machine.
Please pay attention: it uses plastic sheeting in the Middle to isolate the hard drives and power supplies, fan cross in the middle to help both two sides cooling.
Fortunately, the middle is loaded with screws, easier for demolition
Here you can see the Motherboard, you see the 8623 decoder chip only with lim.

http://www.hdav.com.cn/images/4100-30.jpg
http://www.hdav.com.cn/images/4100-31.jpg

a fan, 40X40X10mm, to 5600,common and with noise made in Shenzhen.China for cooling.

Wow, nice pictures!
Although they can have a negative effect in this thread I still like the facts.
I just wanted to say that everybody makes the same mistake comparing TViX 4100SH with limHD. They are targeted to different users - 4100 is a cheaper version (300-350$) while limHD is a full one. If you want fair view then you should take aluminum TViX 5100 into comparison. This is the more expensive version which is made from the same materials as lim.

Btw, processor chip temperature is really Dvico's concern. In the latest FW they added temperature sensing and in my room it never gets higher than 50C during HD playback with slow fan settings (room temperature is 24.6C, internal HDD is 7200rpm). Does anybody know how hot limHD processor runs?

haha Jackie,

get your facts straight... i'm not a reseller :-)
It's no secret DViCo provides a IDE to SATA bridge because SATA drives are easier to find.
It doesn't change the speed of either unit but makes it easier to get big sized HDD and
I can show you about 50 threqads where I discussed this before. It's a plus speaking
for DvICo, not a dissadvantage like you try to make it.

I never said the TViX beats Tomacro in performance. It beats Tomacro in anything else
but performance that is features, finesse, versatility, action (firmware updates),
network abilities, files supported in general and so on...

You pick the 4100 version because it is plastic but you should have taken the 5100.
Tomacro has no cheaper version, just the LimHD200i and it's the alluminum competition
for the M-5100. You really think people outside your little friends here are going to
believe your comparisson? Since when do players are compared externally instead of
what they can do. You don't need to answer me why you used the 4100 and not 5100
as we already know... :-)

Nice you are such a believer of your own case. I must grant you that much.
The Tomnacro is of equal low quality buidl as the M-4100 though it uses Alluminum
which in many parts don't fit well together, screws are badly attached etc... but we
not talk too much about that as we are interested what's inside, what can be done
with them...

So, the only point you made here is confirming what i said, that DViCo has less
performance. For all else, you once more proofed you are not a smart guy (can't say
idiot in public forums) twisting facts to make them match whatever you want to say
and smartly use "external" comparrison as in operational mode the TViX beats the
Tomacro to shred as the last one only can handle HD well and all the rest is amaturistic
exploration including operations, features, SMB, NFS, ISO, SD, Images, Music and so
on...

You should know better as such an important man that people can't be fooled.
You are now heavy in defence mode, I guess I touched a sensitive button by showing
people how you lie on price info... Does it hurt that match?

Go ahead trying to break down DViCo's products, I don't work for DViCo and I don't earn
anything from DViCo so I don't care if they sell or not but I do care that manipulative people
like you trying to get rich by lying their way into people's pockets don't get away with it by
lying on pricing or hide facts about the product (see your own web sire: hig-Quality nonsense).

There are thousands of consumers defending the product and a handfull defedning tomacro
confirming they like it better, DViCo because it does so much more and is not far behind on
Tomacro concerning HD playback. You team up with you 're group of resellers, 2 testers and
4 clients to defend Tomacro being the best just because it has some extra performance,
doesn't mean it's enough for €400...

have a nice day Jackie... :-)
PS: I missed your post about your link to Tomacro... I guess you don't weant people to know
how deep you are involved with them huh? If I'd be talking to DviCo, they would say their product
is the best, talking to novatron they would say that too just like you are saying it. Though not
officially confirmed, you are somehow working for tomacro or you do have a % in teh Company
or something else... What is it!!

next, we in the mean time accepted Tomacro targets a different audience than DViCo which is
convenient to "explain" missing SD and stuff, never the less, features beside HD playback are
also immature. Why don't you tell us in detail how great you like ISO playback, SMB source
limitation, trick play failures, DTS sound drops, HDMI problems, missing copy functions,
bookmarks, fluent FF/RW, subtitle options and explain to us how this not limiting the
HD users... Even in HD the player only delivers raw performance... It's limited too...
which is what you don't like people to know.

Now either get on track to help Tomacro with Kevin and do more than talking one way
only, maybe than you'd earn some respect. I also miss comparing price (dvico 4100 cheaper)
and the remote (dvico has better remote) and functionality (DVICo has better networking) etc
but I guess, you only look at the difference of plastic and alluminum... Nice review...!

here's mine...
HD performance is better on LimHD but it does not offer mature features on the side in networking,
file handling and operations where it makes DviCo, ecen with less performance, a better family media
player. If Tomacro can catchup with DViCo on these subjects, it will be a winner. It's not at this
moment and slow progress makes it even harder to recommend. I consider the hiding behind "different targeted consumers" just a little to easy to explain the shortcomings which are valide for BOTH "SD and HD". As far as build goes, we can make tons of remarks on both players. Both are Asian style manufacturing with medium Quality and the question is, does that really change what one is capable of or not? (Besides, the Size of the limHD is silly, if only it would be as big in features as it is in size, we'd be happy to recognise it)

I won't react on further silly posts from you now.
People are smart enough to research and use 7 day return policy if they don't like it. I'd like to
concentrate on getting Tomacro to open up cooperation now with the community so progress
can be made...

Not DTS sound drops...lol....muppet...AC3 in an MKV container...

Anyhows....

I don't understand all this hassel with the Lim VS Tvix....

It's easy - if you want a general media player, get a Tvix. If you want a Hi-Def media player that currently delivers the best picture quality from hi-def material, get a Lim. Simple.

As owners of the unit - we will continue to push things forward with the firmware development, because, as we know, it's a very young product. All the features that have been requested are on the user log - and so far, Tomacro has shown it has every intention of following it......

So, now we wait for the next cut....

K

It's easy - if you want a general media player, get a Tvix. If you want a Hi-Def media player that currently delivers the best picture quality from hi-def material, get a Lim. Simple.


wow oldp. watch out or gendvd gets angry ;-) only joking i will follow the process of developement and i hope for you all that something goes forward.

cHarOn

Oldpainless, I'd be glad to do so but it would require people related to Tomacro to stop trying posting wrong info or only the better side of the product. If only Jackie would
invest this time into getting Tomacro to make progress instead of marketing in here,
we'd be taking a huge step forward. I can't respond if i'm not having anything to
respond too...

Our partners already added Tomacro but our SLA includes they have to tell people it
can't do nothing but that at the moment. if Jackie would do the same, we'd have no
problems with him but he does try to avoid that all the time and concentrate on the
things that work well... It's dishonest. Period!

Any news about a new cust... (17 days and counting...)

wow oldp. watch out or gendvd gets angry ;-) only joking i will follow the process of developement and i hope for you all that something goes forward.

cHarOn

But I have always said this...Hi-Jack will confirm. Like I said, I don't see the need for the whole Lim VS Tvix thing. The Tvix is a better all round media player, the Lim is currently the best Hi-Def media player....

So for consumers, the choice is easy.

Now, just waiting for Tomacro to tweak the latest cut based on feedback (AC3 Audio Drop in MKV 720p/1080p, 24hz option, WMA 5.1=AC3 5.1, HDMI issue fixed, and hopefully the global aspect ratio enforced for DVD-ISO/IFO playback).

K

Any news about a new cust... (17 days and counting...)

Not yet, but I suspect soon....

K

@oldp: i know that you said that was only an joke ;-) because gendvd is such nice reseller lol.

cHarOn

@oldp: i know that you said that was only an joke ;-) because gendvd is such nice reseller lol.

cHarOn


:D

Jackie is ok....but none of us are perfect..:)...I know Jackie and Hi-Jack have a thing going....lol...but I have to say for the record - Jackie (GenDVD) has never let me down once...

K

Guys, try to avoid personal attacks.

Guys, try to avoid personal attacks.

Agreed - interesting that a relative newcomer can provoke such a heated debate......

Me, I just wanna get my grubby mits on the next cut :D;)

K

I think the time has come to create a new thread concentrating ONLY on Feature requests and Bug reports, just like the sticky for de Dvico TVIX HD M-5000.
This thread is getting cluttered with personal opinions, attacks and useless comparisons. It's hard for newcomers to get an objective view when they have to read all the last 2665 posts!

Am i the only one?

I think the time has come to create a new thread concentrating ONLY on Feature requests and Bug reports, just like the sticky for de Dvico TVIX HD M-5000.
This thread is getting cluttered with personal opinions, attacks and useless comparisons. It's hard for newcomers to get an objective view when they have to read all the last 2665 posts!

Am i the only one?


I agree, but will the sticky get bogged down with the Lim VS Tvix thing?....For info, how do I/we create a sticky?

K

Oh yeah, navigational buttons, is there is an easy way to go "up a directory"? Page Up is semi fast, unless you are on the top page already, then it does nothing.

Also, Refreshing a directory, going up- and back down the best way?

Just create a new thread called "Tomacro FW Enhancements" or something...
Promise I won't be cluthering it. (Neather should it be filled with commercials).

if that's possible, i'm your man too... :-)

Ok...I've created a new thread and I will update today.

Can I suggest, we keep this thread for general discussion, and the new thread for F/W enhancement request's, bug reports, FAQ's (work arounds, how to's etc).

K

That's a good point....I will add this to the log, put it up here and get it across to Jackie and Tomacro...I may have to split it out, as EVO is a new container (3rd dev block) and we don't want to add new containers until everything that is currently supported works 100%...it just makes sense, otherwise you end up all over the place...
FWIW, neither m2ts nor EVO are new containers. EVO is the same as VOB, with some very minor tweaks. And m2ts is the same as TS, with some very minor tweaks.

FWIW, neither m2ts nor EVO are new containers. EVO is the same as VOB, with some very minor tweaks. And m2ts is the same as TS, with some very minor tweaks.

Madshi, I know, you have made that clear before.

The Lim currently plays M2ts...but not EVO. I know EVO is a VOB with some minor tweaks....my only point was that maybe we should get everthing that is currently supported 100% working 1st. But I do take your point tho, so it might be worth moving EVO support up the list....

K

Madshi, I know, you have made that clear before.

The Lim currently plays M2ts...but not EVO. I know EVO is a VOB with some minor tweaks....my only point was that maybe we should get everthing that is currently supported 100% working 1st. But I do take your point tho, so it might be worth moving EVO support up the list....
I'm not saying that EVO support is all that urgent. I just wanted to make clear that it's not a new container. So adding EVO support should be very easy to do. Actually EVO support is very likely to already work (just rename any EVO file to VOB and have a try). Probably the only thing which needs to be done for EVO support is to add detection of h264 and VC-1 video formats.

In other words: Instead of saying that we need EVO support we could also say that the already existing VOB support should be enhanced to handle h264 and VC-1 video streams. In the same way that MKV support needs to be enhanced to handle VC-1 streams. If h264 and VC-1 stream reading would be added to the VOB container support, we'd probably already have full EVO support. Well, except for the audio tracks like DD+ and TrueHD, of course. But those will probably never be handled by the LimHD, anyway.

I'm not saying that EVO support is all that urgent. I just wanted to make clear that it's not a new container. So adding EVO support should be very easy to do. Actually EVO support is very likely to already work (just rename any EVO file to VOB and have a try). Probably the only thing which needs to be done for EVO support is to add detection of h264 and VC-1 video formats.

In other words: Instead of saying that we need EVO support we could also say that the already existing VOB support should be enhanced to handle h264 and VC-1 video streams. In the same way that MKV support needs to be enhanced to handle VC-1 streams. If h264 and VC-1 stream reading would be added to the VOB container support, we'd probably already have full EVO support. Well, except for the audio tracks like DD+ and TrueHD, of course. But those will probably never be handled by the LimHD, anyway.


Ok...good stuff,,,,cheers Madshi.

K

Ok...good stuff,,,,cheers Madshi.
Perhaps a little hint for the Tomacro programmers:

MPEG2 video streams in the VOB format are flagged as "0x000001e0". They should already have that flag in the LimHD firmware code. Now flag "0x000001e2" means h264 video. So if they just add this flag, the LimHD should already play h264 EVO files. VC-1 support is a bit more complicated, so maybe we should leave that for later...

Perhaps a little hint for the Tomacro programmers:

MPEG2 video streams in the VOB format are flagged as "0x000001e0". They should already have that flag in the LimHD firmware code. Now flag "0x000001e2" means h264 video. So if they just add this flag, the LimHD should already play h264 EVO files. VC-1 support is a bit more complicated, so maybe we should leave that for later...

Cheers Madshi...I'll pass this on....

K

Hi-Jack may have uncovered a few 1080p MKV's that have macroblocks...could you post some info on this?


Just for info, h264info.exe reports all of my 720p & 1080p MKv's as 5.1 and it looks like most are X.264 encodes...

Conker - have you found any 1080p MKV's that have macroblock issues?; if yes any chance of a sample?

Cheers

K

oh man, I won't type the whole report again as it was deleted. But fact is that both EM8623 players use a workaround to avoid the microblocks (it's not a new low level code as suspected before). This workaround helps for the majority of files to avoid microblocks but not all.

Basically, very short...
Level 5.1 refers maximum 16 frames while level 4.1 refers 8 frames when it constitutes a frame. I said "MAX" which means even though it is encoded by Level 5.1 option , not all content or not all the parts of the movie uses 16 other frames to make a current frame. It seems there are very little moments where it provides a challenge for the players by using 16 frames (limited buffer memory causes microblocks) which result in microblocks on both the players...

Same issue applies to EM8634 but there is enough memory available there to
correct this. Dunno where TViX or Tomacro will be able to find this memory to
expand buffer memory and avoid this. (Shoudl be changed in microcode...)

Conker, would be happy to hear your feedback. I remember you posted
something about new low level code breaking other stuff? I'm getting
confised :-) Maybe Tomacro can answer how they done it... (Jackie?)
and tell us what the limitations are of the memory concerning L5.1.

Real deep tests will be done when HDMI works (next cut thus)
(Notice i'm testing on Component since HDMI fails)

But I have always said this...Hi-Jack will confirm. Like I said, I don't see the need for the whole Lim VS Tvix thing. The Tvix is a better all round media player, the Lim is currently the best Hi-Def media player....

So for consumers, the choice is easy.

Now, just waiting for Tomacro to tweak the latest cut based on feedback (AC3 Audio Drop in MKV 720p/1080p, 24hz option, WMA 5.1=AC3 5.1, HDMI issue fixed, and hopefully the global aspect ratio enforced for DVD-ISO/IFO playback).

K
The Lim vs TVIX thing exists because you continue to assume way too much... You assume the people in this thread represent the public, they don't. But based on that assumption you think that a mostly inoperable player that plays HD well is what the public wants...IMO you are wrong and are therefore helping Tomacro to go out of business. The general public, and you have to include them because Tomacro and GenDVD are advertising to them, want a product that does what it says it does...period.

I am glad to see the new thread with the list of things broken and desired and it is a major step in the right direction. However, I still think you need to stop giving Tomacro and GenDVD the false sense that their player can compete solely based on case quality and marginally better HD on a very big screen. Maybe it is time for you to stop assuming you know what is best for the general public and stop pushing your own agenda and that of the FEW posters in this thread.

I will say this again and that is that I want the Lim to succeed but IMO it will not make it going in the direction and speed that it is going at the moment. And it is not going to make it by glossing over and lying about how well it works either.

All,
Let's define what should go into this thread or stop posting in this forum all together? My proposal, for those who want to debate the sales related issues, post in this forum. Everything else, including related to the firmware, go to OldPainless68's new thread. What do you say? (I personally find this thread getting ridiculously long). I will post this same post in the new thread in case others want to respond to my comments here or below.

BTW, I agree with digitalkid2 on his assessment regarding what "general public" is. Most people I know, in many professional forums or personally, are not HD yet. They have hundreds of DV (in Full DV, mini DV, Digital 8...), going HD is my wish, but, I know others, including myself won't be able to let go of our precious moments or even take the time to transfer them to a lim playable file (way too time consuming).

Sincerely,
Perry

oh man, I won't type the whole report again as it was deleted. But fact is that both EM8623 players use a workaround to avoid the microblocks (it's not a new low level code as suspected before). This workaround helps for the majority of files to avoid microblocks but not all.

Basically, very short...
Level 5.1 refers maximum 16 frames while level 4.1 refers 8 frames when it constitutes a frame. I said "MAX" which means even though it is encoded by Level 5.1 option , not all content or not all the parts of the movie uses 16 other frames to make a current frame. It seems there are very little moments where it provides a challenge for the players by using 16 frames (limited buffer memory causes microblocks) which result in microblocks on both the players...

Same issue applies to EM8634 but there is enough memory available there to
correct this. Dunno where TViX or Tomacro will be able to find this memory to
expand buffer memory and avoid this. (Shoudl be changed in microcode...)

Conker, would be happy to hear your feedback. I remember you posted
something about new low level code breaking other stuff? I'm getting
confised :-) Maybe Tomacro can answer how they done it... (Jackie?)
and tell us what the limitations are of the memory concerning L5.1.

Real deep tests will be done when HDMI works (next cut thus)
(Notice i'm testing on Component since HDMI fails)

Thanks Hi-Jack

Not sure what time zone Conker is on (Japan or China) so we may have to wait. If there are a few MKV 1080p's that have a macroblock issue, it would be good to get a sample...

Cheers

K

B) HD playback

Playing 720p and 1080p MKVs Series and films and also the left aside the old dvd player that plays the xvid files. Putting a bunch of files in the Lim internal hard drive (Mkvs and Xvids) and play them.

Still didnt arrive but at any moment should.

B) HD playback

Playing 720p and 1080p MKVs Series and films and also the left aside the old dvd player that plays the xvid files. Putting a bunch of files in the Lim internal hard drive (Mkvs and Xvids) and play them.

Still didnt arrive but at any moment should.

Ok thanks....as you know, MKV's (fix in the works for AC3 sound drop) and Xvid are supported....

K

I will provide samples and test reports to Tomacro the day they open up to public.
If we can't beta test but we do it anyway on our own, it's not justified they get
the results. We post it for people's info, not to help Tomacro improve or find the
issues although it helps there too a bit.

Working together means both ways, sorry... I guess you can understand that.
They probably know about the L5.1 already anyway so it won't be ground breaking
news to them. They just never told anyone and I assume no one yet found out since
the majority of files are ok. (Only few remain having this)

I will provide samples and test reports to Tomacro the day they open up to public.
If we can't beta test but we do it anyway on our own, it's not justified they get
the results. We post it for people's info, not to help Tomacro improve or find the
issues.

Works both ways, sorry... I guess you can understand that. It's a pride thing...
They probably know about the L5.1 already anyway so it won't be ground breaking
news to them. They just never told anyone and I assume no one yet found out...


But as I said...all my MKV's are High@5.1, that includes 720p and 1080p...and I've not seen 1 MKV with macroblocks....however, if someone can show me a sample, then I stand corrected...

http://www.ukimagehost.com/uploads/e25fb7a03a.jpg (http://www.ukimagehost.com/)

K

HD...high definition is not defined by mkv or h264 or mpeg2...my point is that there are numerous OTHER network media players that play HD....yes HD but not necessarily h264 HD. They play DivX HD, WMV HD and HD ts and they play them quite well. I have not seen any comparisons to these other players (other than TVIX)....none what so ever!

SO MY POINT IS THAT THE LIM MAY BE THE BEST PLAYER FOR h264 HD or the best player for HD wrapped in mkv but no one, including Hi Jack has done an objective comparison that clearly shows that the Lim plays all HD formats better than ALL of the other players that play HD! Making the statement; LimHD200i is the best HD player, is simply not substantiated and is miss leading.

HD...high definition is not defined by mkv or h264 or mpeg2...my point is that there are numerous OTHER network media players that play HD....yes HD but not necessarily h264 HD. They play DivX HD, WMV HD and HD ts and they play them quite well. I have not seen any comparisons to these other players (other than TVIX)....none what so ever!

SO MY POINT IS THAT THE LIM MAY BE THE BEST PLAYER FOR h264 HD or the best player for HD wrapped in mkv but no one, including Hi Jack has done an objective comparison that clearly shows that the Lim plays all HD formats better than ALL of the other players that play HD! Making the statement; LimHD200i is the best HD player, is simply not substantiated and is miss leading.

I think Hi-Hack compared the Tvix against the Lim and reported lower video noise on the Lim which resulted in a much cleaner image...but to be fair, he did also say you would need a big screen to notice the difference - but, the difference is there.

K

That's not a 1080p example you show there :-)
Only happens with 1080p where the L5.1 is pushed fully down the throat of the players.
(Limitation of memory assigned to decoding buffer kicks in)

That's not a 1080p example you show there :-)
Only happens with 1080p where the L5.1 is pushed fully down the throat of the players.
(Limitation of memory assigned to decoding buffer kicks in)


http://www.ukimagehost.com/uploads/fec5d8a7d6.jpg (http://www.ukimagehost.com/)

:)

No macroblocks...like I said, 720p/1080p.....and once again, if someone can show me a sample that does, then I stand corrected...

K

PS - for other folks who's media players can't play H.264 High@5.1 MKV (PS3 etc) - this will change it to a TS H.264 4.1...no re-encoding/loss of quality and takes about 30mins for a dvd5

http://ambamo.free.fr/temp/mp4/MKV2TS.rar

the TViX beats the
Tomacro to shred as the last one only can handle HD well and all the rest is amaturistic
exploration including operations, features, SMB, NFS, ISO, SD, Images, Music and so
on...


Too bad most of these features are broken in the current 4100 firmware :eek:

I think the time has come to create a new thread concentrating ONLY on Feature requests and Bug reports, just like the sticky for de Dvico TVIX HD M-5000.
This thread is getting cluttered with personal opinions, attacks and useless comparisons. It's hard for newcomers to get an objective view when they have to read all the last 2665 posts!

Am i the only one?

If the mods did their job and put a stop to hi-jack's threadcrapping, there wouldn't be a problem.

I think Hi-Hack compared the Tvix against the Lim and reported lower video noise on the Lim which resulted in a much cleaner image...

K
Do you actually read what I write? I have not seen any comparisons to these other players (other than TVIX)....none what so ever!


What about the OTHER players that play HD? Ziova, Linkplayer, Media Gate, Netgear, DLink, Helios HD Player ect...there are more...these players do not play mkv or h264 but they DO PLAY HD(mostly 1080i, 720p but a few do play 1080p).

I know for example that the Ziova (Clearstream) plays high bitrate HD ts

Slightly off this topic but is the Lim your first network media player? Before you got the lim had you ever streamed video to a tv or a projector? I am not asking this to be cutting but if the lim is your first and only then maybe you are more enamered with the wow of streaming video than with the lim.

But based on that assumption you think that a mostly inoperable player that plays HD well is what the public wants...IMO you are wrong and are therefore helping Tomacro to go out of business. The general public, and you have to include them because Tomacro and GenDVD are advertising to them, want a product that does what it says it does...period.


How is this any different than Dvico? Dvico is advertising features that don't work (some haven't worked since day one). Is Dvico misleading consumers by claiming jpeg support?
http://www.mpcclub.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=13629

......and don't even get me started on the current "support" for DVD ISOs!!!


And it is not going to make it by glossing over and lying about how well it works either.

You mean like the Tvix aplogists? It's funny seeing this little player from china put so much fear into the Tvix fanbois that they have to expend so much effort trying to discredit it (and this is coming from a owner of a 4000 and a 4100). If it wasn't for Tomacro, Tvix wouldn't have spent so much time on mkv support. We all win when there is competition in the marketplace.

I think Hi-Hack compared the Tvix against
the Lim and reported lower video noise on the Lim which resulted in a much
cleaner image...

K
I think I said on bigger screens you can see the Tomacro is slightly sharper in
image. On normal sized TV's you nore anyone else will notice any difference
and whoever says he does... well, he will be thinking that only... :-) (up to 50" no difference noticeable)

Even though a comparison is missing, releasing any will be suicide. It will
lead to the same discussions we are already having for weeks where
Tomacro benefits from saying it is not designed for this and that blabla
and that's an excuse that counts for anything related to the player HD or
NOT.

I get your point and if I would have time and interest in doing a full
comparison which would only be interesting if you don't know the outcome
already... and sadly, I do... (also because I refuse to look at Tomacro
as HD only player) either the missing functions and features will cause it to end below most "universal" players...

I don't need to mention how people will start yelling that Tomacro is newer
and younger and DvICo had more time blabla... so any comparison would kill
whatever purpose it has and drown in this thread just like anything else...

A very small comparison on key features I see major difference with is posted
during the introduction of LimHD200i on MPC... That kind of shows why we
are such critical against people posting how wonderfull it is. Evey player has
shortcomings, LimHD200i has just a few too many they need to address
before it can be considered a choice speaking from a general point of view.
That changes for people that only need MKV and VC-1 and can live without
convenience and versatility...

http://www.mpcclub.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=292

PS: Notice that MKV is added in the mean time and ISO also. Rest is the
same. For ISO however, th implementation is too immature to again go
further than "playability" alone... 'features and options missing to handle
D>VD playback conveniently)

I think I said on bigger screens you can see the Tomacro is slightly sharper in
image. On normal sized TV's you nore anyone else will notice any difference
and whoever says he does... well, he will be thinking that only... :-) (up to 50" no difference noticeable)

Even though a comparison is missing, releasing any will be suicide. It will
lead to the same discussions we are already having for weeks where
Tomacro benefits from saying it is not designed for this and that blabla
and that's an excuse that counts for anything related to the player HD or
NOT.

I get your point and if I would have time and interest in doing a full
comparison which would only be interesting if you don't know the outcome
already... and sadly, I do... (also because I refuse to look at Tomacro
as HD only player) either the missing functions and features will cause it to end below most "universal" players...

I don't need to mention how people will start yelling that Tomacro is newer
and younger and DvICo had more time blabla... so any comparison would kill
whatever purpose it has and drown in this thread just like anything else...

A very small comparison on key features I see major difference with is posted
during the introduction of LimHD200i on MPC... That kind of shows why we
are such critical against people posting how wonderfull it is. Evey player has
shortcomings, LimHD200i has just a few too many they need to address
before it can be considered a choice speaking from a general point of view.
That changes for people that only need MKV and VC-1 and can live without
convenience and versatility...

http://www.mpcclub.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=292

PS: Notice that MKV is added in the mean time and ISO also. Rest is the
same. For ISO however, th implementation is too immature to again go
further than "playability" alone... 'features and options missing to handle
D>VD playback conveniently)

Mmm....High@5.1?...lol

K

If the mods did their job and put a stop to hi-jack's threadcrapping, there wouldn't be a problem.

Johny boy, get a life. I won't even react on you anymore...
Just like most smart people, I only waste time on cases that can still be
helped (luckily for Tomacro, sadly for you)

Goodnight :-)

Mmm....High@5.1?...lol

K

Stole that from your own picture... :-)

Sorry, until now I have not find out MKVs with macroblocks, I'll do a deep test.

L5.1 has higher compression than L4.1 keeping the same video quality，more suitable for good quality entertainment video distribution, so High Profile L5.1 coding often be used in MKV container.

Compare with L4.1 decoding, the memory size for L5.1 decoding do not need a lot more, H.264 decoding adopt the predicted motion compensation algorithm, so the memory is mainly used for keeping several previous pictures. L5.1 just divide the whole picture into more macroblocks(not the macroblock that we see on the screen), so raise the complication of decoding algorithm consumedly, specially for 1920x1088 resolution, have to use a more excellent and efficient algorithm.

So the L5.1 decoding mainly depend on the microcode efficiency, not depend on memory size a lot.

Because Sigma just officially state that their chipset only support High Profile up to L4.1, so want to support L5.1, have to wake up with a start to optimize the microcode and relative algorithms. Certainly causing some problems (/bugs) is also reasonable in this process.

So when 8634 using the same microcode for L5.1 decoding will also appear the same problem - macroblocks.

Conker

Agree to that conker and you explain it well and i already said same problem on MNT
here... They do have more memory though so it's easier to fix by assigning more memory
to the decode buffer. I believe it is related to the memory in the decode buffer bumping
into limitations when the files are really demanding...

Time will tell. Hope for both it's only microcode related that needs optimization. If really
memory related, I see bigger problems for both to address the issues with this even
though it only happens on very few files... Higher compression after all means harder
work to decompress in my book, right?

Glad to be on a better "talking" level now :-)

Sorry, until now I have not find out MKVs with macroblocks, I'll do a deep test.

Conker

Cheers Conker...so, can anyone...anyone, provide me with an MKV sample that macroblocks on the Lim.....I only what 1!...not a big ask....

K

Stole that from your own picture... :-)

Hi-Jack...you know me by now.....If I can see 1 genuine MKV 1080p or 720p sample that macroblocks on the Lim....then I will concede...

K

Just for info

I know someone with over 5.6TB of MKV's....no macroblocks.....all I want is 1 sample...that's all...

K

This is my test result from .m2ts directly from bluray disc.

Casino Royale some sounds drop and video slowdown, when I change the audio track the video run normaly.

file info :
General #0
Nom complet : H:\Films\bluray\casino royale\00000.m2ts
Format : BluRay Video
Format/Family : MPEG-2
Taille du fichier : 31.9 Gio

Video #0
Codec : AVC
Codec/Info : MPEG-4 AVC
Profile du codec : High@L4.1
Largeur : 1920 pixels
Hauteur : 1088 pixels
Format à l'écran : 16/9
PixelAspectRatio : 1.000
DisplayAspectRatio : 1.765

Audio #0
Codec : AC3
Débit : 448 Kbps
Type de débit : CBR
Canaux : 6 canaux
Position des cannaux : Front: L C R, Rear: L R, Subwoofer
Echantillonnage : 48 KHz

Audio #1
Codec : AC3
Débit : 448 Kbps
Type de débit : CBR
Canaux : 6 canaux
Position des cannaux : Front: L C R, Rear: L R, Subwoofer
Echantillonnage : 48 KHz

-----------------------------------------------------


Ghost in the Shell, worst than Casino Royale too many sounds drop and video slowdown, if I change audio track the video run normally for about 60s.

file info :
General #0
Nom complet : H:\Films\bluray\Ghost_in_the_shell_1080p.m2ts
Format : BluRay Video
Format/Family : MPEG-2
Taille du fichier : 22.4 Gio

Video #0
Codec : AVC
Codec/Info : MPEG-4 AVC
Profile du codec : High@L4.1
Largeur : 1920 pixels
Hauteur : 1088 pixels
Format à l'écran : 16/9
PixelAspectRatio : 1.000
DisplayAspectRatio : 1.765

Audio #0
Codec : AC3
Profile du codec : Dolby Digital
Débit : 640 Kbps
Type de débit : CBR
Canaux : 2 canaux
Position des cannaux : L R
Echantillonnage : 48 KHz

-----------------------------------------------------

Sky Captain, play perfectly.

file info :
General #0
Nom complet : H:\Films\bluray\Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow Blu Ray.m2ts
Format : BluRay Video
Format/Family : MPEG-2
Taille du fichier : 17.7 Gio

Video #0
Codec : MPEG-2 Video
Profile du codec : Main@High
Paramètres du codec/ : Custom
Débit : 30 Mb/s
Type de débit : CBR
Largeur : 1920 pixels
Hauteur : 1080 pixels
Format à l'écran : 16/9
Images par seconde : 23.976 Im/s
Chrominance : 4:2:0
Entrlacement : Progressif
Bits/(Pixel*Image) : 0.603

Audio #0
Codec : AC3
Débit : 640 Kbps
Type de débit : CBR
Canaux : 6 canaux
Position des cannaux : Front: L C R, Rear: L R, Subwoofer
Echantillonnage : 48 KHz

Audio #1
Codec : DTS
Débit : 1536 Kbps
Canaux : 6 canaux
Position des cannaux : Front: L C R, Surround: L R, Subwoofer
Echantillonnage : 48 KHz
Résolution : 24 bits

Audio #2
Codec : AC3
Débit : 640 Kbps
Type de débit : CBR
Canaux : 6 canaux
Position des cannaux : Front: L C R, Rear: L R, Subwoofer
Echantillonnage : 48 KHz

Audio #3
Codec : AC3
Débit : 640 Kbps
Type de débit : CBR
Canaux : 6 canaux
Position des cannaux : Front: L C R, Rear: L R, Subwoofer
Echantillonnage : 48 KHz

Audio #4
Codec : AC3
Profile du codec : Dolby Digital
Débit : 192 Kbps
Type de débit : CBR
Canaux : 2 canaux
Position des cannaux : L R
Echantillonnage : 48 KHz

Audio #5
Codec : AC3
Profile du codec : Dolby Digital
Débit : 192 Kbps
Type de débit : CBR
Canaux : 2 canaux
Position des cannaux : L R
Echantillonnage : 48 KHz

-----------------------------------------------------

Starship Troopers same as ghost in the shell :(

file info :
General #0
Nom complet : H:\Films\bluray\Starship Troopers 1080p Bluray.m2ts
Format : BluRay Video
Format/Family : MPEG-2
Taille du fichier : 34.9 Gio

Audio #0
Codec : AC3
Débit : 640 Kbps
Type de débit : CBR
Canaux : 6 canaux
Position des cannaux : Front: L C R, Rear: L R, Subwoofer
Echantillonnage : 48 KHz

Audio #1
Codec : DTS
Débit : 1536 Kbps
Canaux : 6 canaux
Position des cannaux : Front: L C R, Surround: L R, Subwoofer
Echantillonnage : 48 KHz
Résolution : 24 bits

Audio #2
Codec : AC3
Débit : 640 Kbps
Type de débit : CBR
Canaux : 6 canaux
Position des cannaux : Front: L C R, Rear: L R, Subwoofer
Echantillonnage : 48 KHz

Audio #3
Codec : DTS
Débit : 1536 Kbps
Canaux : 6 canaux
Position des cannaux : Front: L C R, Surround: L R, Subwoofer
Echantillonnage : 48 KHz
Résolution : 24 bits

Audio #4
Codec : AC3
Débit : 640 Kbps
Type de débit : CBR
Canaux : 6 canaux
Position des cannaux : Front: L C R, Rear: L R, Subwoofer
Echantillonnage : 48 KHz

-----------------------------------------------------

I will try another .m2ts this week.

Maybe those infos can help to know why some files play normally and other with slowdown.

Just for info

I know someone with over 5.6TB of MKV's....no macroblocks.....all I want is 1 sample...that's all...

K

Be patient, somebody would find one.
If I had limHD I would help you.
Btw, who said that there is a file that produces blocks in limHD?
I remember that there were a sample (named ArizonaDream.mkv) that had macroblocks in lim and tvix. Probably it was encoded with 5.1 profile. But with the latest FWs no player produces these blocks.

I am :-)
OldP, i played nice guy and sent you the link by PM...
The.Lord.Of.The.Rings.The.Return.Of.The.King.2003.1080p.x264 .Sample-THOR.mkv

Now don't tell me you don't see it...

funny thing, the movie itself plays fine, it's the sample that has micro blocks.
Sample --> Microblocks libebml v0.7.7 + libmatroska v0.8.0
Movie --> no Microblocks libebml v0.7.6 + libmatroska v0.8.1

Maybe files using libebml v0.7.7 + libmatroska v0.8.1 is causing this?
We have more samples and they all show some on the limhd200i (and others too, samples we know off using 16 frames))
(We poor out of about 900 sample files gathered over the years perfected into a HD Test HDD)

We so far nailed down the problem due to dropped frames (limited memory) based on the feedback we got by our specialists on the boards. It is already confirmed by several people in our test team so if you tell me you don't see
it / have it... I don't know what I should believe anymore :-)

I would be really really suspicious considering it happesn on all players, even EM8634 with more power...
The issue is in microcode and not even Tomacro can bypass that... (as far as I know)

Now i rest my participation in this thread, EM8634 is coming 15 October.
I will shift my attention to them until the next cut is available (and improves something).
As an honor to you, I won't post a link...

Enjoy
(Yes Johny, Jackie... You can breath again now for a while and concentrate on the good stuff only again)

some mkv sample : http://tomtom2k5.free.fr/mkv/

I am :-)

Of course, it was you.
I just wanted to speed up this weird situation.
In general I want to make sure that my TViX is not worse than any other player in any aspect. We already confirmed that the new 8634-based players have the same microblocking and its additional memory is just a marketing trick. Now I want to make sure that all other 8623-based devices produce the same output.

Be patient, somebody would find one.
If I had limHD I would help you.
Btw, who said that there is a file that produces blocks in limHD?
I remember that there were a sample (named ArizonaDream.mkv) that had macroblocks in lim and tvix. Probably it was encoded with 5.1 profile. But with the latest FWs no player produces these blocks.

Correct...that was an old firmware cut....no macroblocks now..

K

I am :-)
OldP, i played nice guy and sent you the link by PM...
The.Lord.Of.The.Rings.The.Return.Of.The.King.2003.1080p.x264 .Sample-THOR.mkv

Now don't tell me you don't see it...

funny thing, the movie itself plays fine, it's the sample that has micro blocks.
Sample --> Microblocks libebml v0.7.7 + libmatroska v0.8.0
Movie --> no Microblocks libebml v0.7.6 + libmatroska v0.8.1

Maybe files using libebml v0.7.7 + libmatroska v0.8.1 is causing this?
We have more samples and they all show some on the limhd200i (and others too, samples we know off using 16 frames))
(We poor out of about 900 sample files gathered over the years perfected into a HD Test HDD)

We so far nailed down the problem due to dropped frames (limited memory) based on the feedback we got by our specialists on the boards. It is already confirmed by several people in our test team so if you tell me you don't see
it / have it... I don't know what I should believe anymore :-)

I would be really really suspicious considering it happesn on all players, even EM8634 with more power...
The issue is in microcode and not even Tomacro can bypass that... (as far as I know)

Now i rest my participation in this thread, EM8634 is coming 15 October.
I will shift my attention to them until the next cut is available (and improves something).
As an honor to you, I won't post a link...

Enjoy
(Yes Johny, Jackie... You can breath again now for a while and concentrate on the good stuff only again)

Bleedin hell....hold yer horses Hi-Jack...only just picked it up....u been on the wine again?

K

PS - I know about the thor cuts....several folks all over the place...but good encodes...I have not tested yet...but is that it?

some mkv sample : http://tomtom2k5.free.fr/mkv/

Ok thanks....I'll take a look...any MKV's that have macroblock issues?

K

Right now.....I'm looking for anyone other, well, you know who (joke m8), who can supply a few 1080p MKV samples that have issues on the Lim....

K

When is the new firmware coming out to fix the audio drop issue? That's all I want fixed. :S

When is the new firmware coming out to fix the audio drop issue?

Ditto.

When is the new firmware coming out to fix the audio drop issue? That's all I want fixed. :S

Let's hope we get some news over next few days...

K

I am :-)
OldP, i played nice guy and sent you the link by PM...
The.Lord.Of.The.Rings.The.Return.Of.The.King.2003.1080p.x264 .Sample-THOR.mkv

Now don't tell me you don't see it...

funny thing, the movie itself plays fine, it's the sample that has micro blocks.
Sample --> Microblocks libebml v0.7.7 + libmatroska v0.8.0
Movie --> no Microblocks libebml v0.7.6 + libmatroska v0.8.1

Maybe files using libebml v0.7.7 + libmatroska v0.8.1 is causing this?
We have more samples and they all show some on the limhd200i (and others too, samples we know off using 16 frames))
(We poor out of about 900 sample files gathered over the years perfected into a HD Test HDD)

We so far nailed down the problem due to dropped frames (limited memory) based on the feedback we got by our specialists on the boards. It is already confirmed by several people in our test team so if you tell me you don't see
it / have it... I don't know what I should believe anymore :-)

I would be really really suspicious considering it happesn on all players, even EM8634 with more power...
The issue is in microcode and not even Tomacro can bypass that... (as far as I know)

Now i rest my participation in this thread, EM8634 is coming 15 October.
I will shift my attention to them until the next cut is available (and improves something).
As an honor to you, I won't post a link...

Enjoy
(Yes Johny, Jackie... You can breath again now for a while and concentrate on the good stuff only again)

I've now downloaded...I'm going to test on the Lim....

But....I've just ran it through wmp etc, and you can see straight away the sample is forked....one second it's jerky, the next it looks like its running at 120fps.....this sample is know for it's issues.

I will test on the Lim...but I would imagine every player has issues with this clip...

K

UPDATE: I've tested the file on the Lim. It does have some macroblocks....but it's nothing to do with memory Hi-Jack...the clip is forked..as you can see, the timecodes and framerate are all over the place. I think you were right when you suspected something wrong with the writing app version...as you said, the film plays fine.

So, I still stand by my point - show me an MKV 1080p (a working file) that has macroblocks that the Lim has problems with ...not because of a forked file...after all, would we expect the Lim OR the Tvix to play a forked TS/AVI/WMV fiile etc....on the subject of the Tvix...is this the only one that macroblocks on that too?

K

This is my test result from .m2ts directly from bluray disc.

Casino Royale some sounds drop and video slowdown, when I change the audio track the video run normaly.

file info :
General #0
Nom complet : H:\Films\bluray\casino royale\00000.m2ts
Format : BluRay Video
Format/Family : MPEG-2
Taille du fichier : 31.9 Gio

Video #0
Codec : AVC
Codec/Info : MPEG-4 AVC
Profile du codec : High@L4.1
Largeur : 1920 pixels
Hauteur : 1088 pixels
Format à l'écran : 16/9
PixelAspectRatio : 1.000
DisplayAspectRatio : 1.765

Audio #0
Codec : AC3
Débit : 448 Kbps
Type de débit : CBR
Canaux : 6 canaux
Position des cannaux : Front: L C R, Rear: L R, Subwoofer
Echantillonnage : 48 KHz

Audio #1
Codec : AC3
Débit : 448 Kbps
Type de débit : CBR
Canaux : 6 canaux
Position des cannaux : Front: L C R, Rear: L R, Subwoofer
Echantillonnage : 48 KHz

-----------------------------------------------------


Ghost in the Shell, worst than Casino Royale too many sounds drop and video slowdown, if I change audio track the video run normally for about 60s.

file info :
General #0
Nom complet : H:\Films\bluray\Ghost_in_the_shell_1080p.m2ts
Format : BluRay Video
Format/Family : MPEG-2
Taille du fichier : 22.4 Gio

Video #0
Codec : AVC
Codec/Info : MPEG-4 AVC
Profile du codec : High@L4.1
Largeur : 1920 pixels
Hauteur : 1088 pixels
Format à l'écran : 16/9
PixelAspectRatio : 1.000
DisplayAspectRatio : 1.765

Audio #0
Codec : AC3
Profile du codec : Dolby Digital
Débit : 640 Kbps
Type de débit : CBR
Canaux : 2 canaux
Position des cannaux : L R
Echantillonnage : 48 KHz

-----------------------------------------------------

Sky Captain, play perfectly.

file info :
General #0
Nom complet : H:\Films\bluray\Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow Blu Ray.m2ts
Format : BluRay Video
Format/Family : MPEG-2
Taille du fichier : 17.7 Gio

Video #0
Codec : MPEG-2 Video
Profile du codec : Main@High
Paramètres du codec/ : Custom
Débit : 30 Mb/s
Type de débit : CBR
Largeur : 1920 pixels
Hauteur : 1080 pixels
Format à l'écran : 16/9
Images par seconde : 23.976 Im/s
Chrominance : 4:2:0
Entrlacement : Progressif
Bits/(Pixel*Image) : 0.603

Audio #0
Codec : AC3
Débit : 640 Kbps
Type de débit : CBR
Canaux : 6 canaux
Position des cannaux : Front: L C R, Rear: L R, Subwoofer
Echantillonnage : 48 KHz

Audio #1
Codec : DTS
Débit : 1536 Kbps
Canaux : 6 canaux
Position des cannaux : Front: L C R, Surround: L R, Subwoofer
Echantillonnage : 48 KHz
Résolution : 24 bits

Audio #2
Codec : AC3
Débit : 640 Kbps
Type de débit : CBR
Canaux : 6 canaux
Position des cannaux : Front: L C R, Rear: L R, Subwoofer
Echantillonnage : 48 KHz

Audio #3
Codec : AC3
Débit : 640 Kbps
Type de débit : CBR
Canaux : 6 canaux
Position des cannaux : Front: L C R, Rear: L R, Subwoofer
Echantillonnage : 48 KHz

Audio #4
Codec : AC3
Profile du codec : Dolby Digital
Débit : 192 Kbps
Type de débit : CBR
Canaux : 2 canaux
Position des cannaux : L R
Echantillonnage : 48 KHz

Audio #5
Codec : AC3
Profile du codec : Dolby Digital
Débit : 192 Kbps
Type de débit : CBR
Canaux : 2 canaux
Position des cannaux : L R
Echantillonnage : 48 KHz

-----------------------------------------------------

Starship Troopers same as ghost in the shell :(

file info :
General #0
Nom complet : H:\Films\bluray\Starship Troopers 1080p Bluray.m2ts
Format : BluRay Video
Format/Family : MPEG-2
Taille du fichier : 34.9 Gio

Audio #0
Codec : AC3
Débit : 640 Kbps
Type de débit : CBR
Canaux : 6 canaux
Position des cannaux : Front: L C R, Rear: L R, Subwoofer
Echantillonnage : 48 KHz

Audio #1
Codec : DTS
Débit : 1536 Kbps
Canaux : 6 canaux
Position des cannaux : Front: L C R, Surround: L R, Subwoofer
Echantillonnage : 48 KHz
Résolution : 24 bits

Audio #2
Codec : AC3
Débit : 640 Kbps
Type de débit : CBR
Canaux : 6 canaux
Position des cannaux : Front: L C R, Rear: L R, Subwoofer
Echantillonnage : 48 KHz

Audio #3
Codec : DTS
Débit : 1536 Kbps
Canaux : 6 canaux
Position des cannaux : Front: L C R, Surround: L R, Subwoofer
Echantillonnage : 48 KHz
Résolution : 24 bits

Audio #4
Codec : AC3
Débit : 640 Kbps
Type de débit : CBR
Canaux : 6 canaux
Position des cannaux : Front: L C R, Rear: L R, Subwoofer
Echantillonnage : 48 KHz

-----------------------------------------------------

I will try another .m2ts this week.

Maybe those infos can help to know why some files play normally and other with slowdown.

Are you running these over a network?

K

Just a quickie....has anyone who owns a Lim found a genuine MKV that macroblocks?

K

Are you running these over a network?

K

no over internal HD

no over internal HD

MMmm...odd. I know a couple of the folks on here are playing m2ts files from the Lim hd ok...

Could you post a 100meg sample (rapidshare) of a segment that has issues?

Cheers

K

MMmm...odd. I know a couple of the folks on here are playing m2ts files from the Lim hd ok...

Could you post a 100meg sample (rapidshare) of a segment that has issues?

Cheers

K

Ok what's the best soft to fragment .m2ts file ?

UPDATE: I've tested the file on the Lim. It does have some macroblocks....but it's nothing to do with memory Hi-Jack...the clip is forked..as you can see, the timecodes and framerate are all over the place. I think you were right when you suspected something wrong with the writing app version...as you said, the film plays fine.
K

We tested 8 samples in the same category and all 8 have it though the other
files all played perfectly well. Feel free to ignore the problem. Microblocks
shown on the limHD200i are not related to issues with the sample or anything
else. (Plays fine in several tests we done with players on PC and i'm sure our tests are more accurate than the normal play and looks fine system used here)

At least, I shown you microblocks and i shown you in a file using 16 frames
can cause erroneous playback. I don't know anything else but what
I seen and I seen microblocks on the limHD200i on multiple files so to
me statements "limhd200i" plays perfect is not true... even if it affects
only very few files.

Maybe conker will find some to in his deep tests...
Back to other subjects now.

Ok what's the best soft to fragment .m2ts file ?


Look like http://www.tolgasoft.com/ps3dosya/5.rar

From here http://www.tolgasoft.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=265&PN=2&get=last

and the tool is HDBDSplitGUI

K

We tested 8 samples in the same category and all 8 have it though the other
files all played perfectly well. Feel free to ignore the problem. Microblocks
shown on the limHD200i are not related to issues with the sample or anything
else. (Plays fine in several tests we done with players on PC and i'm sure our tests are more accurate than the normal play and looks fine system used here)

At least, I shown you microblocks and i shown you in a file using 16 frames
can cause erroneous playback. I don't know anything else but what
I seen and I seen microblocks on the limHD200i on multiple files so to
me statements "limhd200i" plays perfect is not true... even if it affects
only very few files.

Maybe conker will find some to in his deep tests...
Back to other subjects now.

Cheers for giving me the link Hi-Jack....I'm sorry, but it will take more than one forked file for me...

Anyways.....have fun ;)

K

I will, but not with Tomacro as it doesn't work for my main needs at all.
Even if you ignore the issue, it doesn't mean they are not there...

Look like http://www.tolgasoft.com/ps3dosya/5.rar

From here http://www.tolgasoft.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=265&PN=2&get=last

and the tool is HDBDSplitGUI

K

ok done => http://tomtom2k5.free.fr/mkv/m2ts/

I'm not at home so I can't test this sample on LIM, normaly there is problem.

ok done => http://tomtom2k5.free.fr/mkv/m2ts/

I'm not at home so I can't test this sample on LIM, normaly there is problem.


Ok...I'll take a look and get back to you....

K

UPDATE: Yes...it does struggle....not sure why tho...the b/r peaked at about 37mbps i think, and I just tested the very tough -

Scrat: No time for nuts Blu-ray sample
BLU-RAY 1080p
MPEG-2, 1920 x 1080, 16:9, 23.97 fps, 36.00 Mbps, progressive
AC3 3/2, 48 kHz, 448 kbps

Tested and plays with no problems at all.....I've had mpeg-2 videos peaking at 55-65mbps with no problem.....I wonder if its the way your file has been muxed into the m2ts container.....all the m2ts (BD) I've tested (inc CR & Mi3) have had a TS extension....might be worth looking into...

K

My files haven't been muxed, they came from the orignal bluray, on the bluray it's already a .m2ts

My files haven't been muxed, they came from the orignal bluray, on the bluray it's already a .m2ts

Ok...I will try something and get back to you...

K

i'm upping a new sample sky captain this movie play fine.

i'm upping a new sample sky captain this movie play fine.

Ok tried this and it fixed it...

Get TSremux http://www.sendspace.com/file/281yzb

Run it and select your m2ts file.....

http://www.ukimagehost.com/uploads/fb4006d4cc.jpg (http://www.ukimagehost.com/)


Select the streams you want to keep and select your output name XXX.ts, and select TS in TSremux....solved the issue and it played fine..188 byte packets...like i said...I'd only ever seen m2ts files (BD) in a TS container....look's like that's the reason why.

Give it a try and let us know how you get on..does not take very long either....

K

PS - you will notice the video codec is VC-1 in your sample - So, now you have a nice 1080p VC-1 in a TS container

Ok i will try this, it will take some hours on my computer i think :)

Ok i will try this, it will take some hours on my computer i think :)

I shouldn't....that sample took 15 seconds....

K

I'm trying this on the full movie

I'm trying this on the full movie

Still at about 13-14 seconds per min, shouldn't take long....

Let us know how you get on...

K

Just a quickie....has anyone who owns a Lim found a genuine MKV that macroblocks?

K

I have now watched 35 full length movies MKV's with audio drops and I have NOT seen any macroblock issues. Those THOR rips he is talking about all have issues on PC and on the LimHD. So does anyone have a sample that can show a macroblock issue?

Thanks,
Enrique

I have now watched 35 full length movies MKV's with audio drops and I have NOT seen any macroblock issues. Those THOR rips he is talking about all have issues on PC and on the LimHD. So does anyone have a sample that can show a macroblock issue?

Thanks,
Enrique

That's all I'm looking...just 1 legit sample....not some forked file that wont play properly even on high spec PC...

IF there is one, then we can get it across to Tomacro - but, I'd be very suprised if we find a legit MKV with macroblock

K

So I have remux the .m2ts to .ts like you said oldpainless68 and there is still the same trouble :(

I hope this can be fixed un future firmware. I have buy tomacro for .m2ts :(

Sorry, it´s 96 pages and i`m from sweden and not that good at english....

Does mkv and downloades dvd`s work fine... quality, subs and menu`s?
Is there much buggs in the softwere?
and is there anything on the market that does conpite whit this..
thanks and sorry again

Sorry, it´s 96 pages and i`m from sweden and not that good at english....

Does mkv and downloades dvd`s work fine... quality, subs and menu`s?
Is there much buggs in the softwere?
and is there anything on the market that does conpite whit this..
thanks and sorry again
The LimHD200i is a work in progress, it has potential but the software is buggy and there are currently issues with DVD/ISO playback and the user interface is rough at best. You may want to take a look at the TVIX 4100 or 5100.

So I have remux the .m2ts to .ts like you said oldpainless68 and there is still the same trouble :(

I hope this can be fixed un future firmware. I have buy tomacro for .m2ts :(

I'm sorry I could not fix it 4 u....it worked on the sample....

I'll send a cut off to Jackie...I will take this up....as well as my promise of taking up DV support.....

K

The LimHD200i is a work in progress, it has potential but the software is buggy and there are currently issues with DVD/ISO playback and the user interface is rough at best. You may want to take a look at the TVIX 4100 or 5100.


Arse

K

Sorry, it´s 96 pages and i`m from sweden and not that good at english....

Does mkv and downloades dvd`s work fine... quality, subs and menu`s?
Is there much buggs in the softwere?
and is there anything on the market that does conpite whit this..
thanks and sorry again

To answer your questions - no, not yet....but 99% there

Software...yes...many bugs....it's a very young product....It will get there...

the thing to remember...this player is for pic quality and the number of formats supported....

K

Jackie/Fan....you don't seem to have posted for some time...

K

Arse

K
The real you is finally coming out....

What exactly did I say to deserve to be called a name? You really do need to stop taking everything so personal in regards to the Lim.

I posted the truth but you can not deal with that.

To answer your questions - no, not yet....but 99% there

Software...yes...many bugs....it's a very young product....It will get there...

the thing to remember...this player is for pic quality and the number of formats supported....

K
I think 99% is really stretching it...but then when it comes to the Lim you tend to lose sight of reality.

I'm sorry I could not fix it 4 u....it worked on the sample....

I'll send a cut off to Jackie...I will take this up....as well as my promise of taking up DV support.....

K

Strange it doesn't work for me, I have remux the sample to .ts and I have the same trouble on the LIM. I have try the file from internal HD and an external usb drive.

I have upload the remuxed .ts sample on the same site : http://tomtom2k5.free.fr/mkv/m2ts/

Anyway the same .m2ts file play perfectly on tvix.

That's all I'm looking...just 1 legit sample....not some forked file that wont play properly even on high spec PC...

IF there is one, then we can get it across to Tomacro - but, I'd be very suprised if we find a legit MKV with macroblock

K

Hi, Kevin.
Can you try this sample (http://rapidshare.com/files/59886070/EP01_split-005.mkv).
It plays nicely with VLC on my not very powerful PC.

Arse

K

Nice :-)
DGKid2 is right, the player is too buggy and though it plays well, it's by far
surrounded by immature features and incompleted options. It's also true it is
a young product where the manufacturer hardly makes progress and remains
a young product way too long (resources limited, vision limited and probably
skills too) and also communications that "mean" something from them beside
the commercial tinted stuff.

T0bbe, ISO works as far as playback goes (not all work) but lim has hardly
features to go along. The issues are posted in the buglist / feature requests
i believe...

DGKid2, must you not have noticed yet... It's never the player, always the files...
Remux files, Strip files, forked samples, THOR issues etc... The player is decent
with HD file playback but as you said, everything else offers pure immaturity for
a very mature price...

Back to silence...
Enjoy

Jackie/Fan....you don't seem to have posted for some time...

K

Hello! Kevin! I am sorry for the delay of the posts.Tomacro are now integrating the fuctions of the new cut,so we should have a wait for the new firmware.
Jackie

Hello! Kevin! I am sorry for the delay of the posts.Tomacro are now integrating the fuctions of the new cut,so we should have a wait for the new firmware.
Jackie

How long of a wait?
Will it be available this week?

hi, oldpainless68

You already envisaged in the list of want for new the FW the ammeglioration of the picture diaporama? Because currently it is very null!