Jackie - does the lack of communication mean that Tomacro are no longer working on the Lim200i?

K

Another one, Mvix did the same thing. Quit doing updates for the 760HD (last update was July 07) and launched the 780HD. Fortunately with a little hack you can upgrade the 760 to the 780. (If you want to chance it and void your warranty). But still, just dumping support for all the 760 owners is really bad.

I’m with you on this. I placed my Mvix 760 in a cupboard and bought the LIM. Now with the Mvix out of the cupboard and firmware 2.0.1 installed and working beautifully - guess where the LIM is going?

eBay...!?! :D

I have an iStar HD Mini on the way and look forward to comparing it with the limHD. It's too bad Tomacro was unable to correct the bugs in the limHD. At the beginning of this thread, this player seemed very promising.

Mark,
From my understanding, it is not that they are not able to correct the bug, it is just they don't want to. I kind of understand their prospetive, but, again, we the consumers are stucked. i.e. without the cash flow, there will be no R&D. Like HiJack stated months ago (at the time even I refused to think that and hoped that Tomacro would be a "different company"), the new chip will replace the market. Obviously the new chip shifted Tomacro as well, and their focus is on their new products. What they are forgetting is, like many other different failed companies, people remember. Their reputation is down the drain for a long time, if they would ever come back again. I consider people here are somewhat "opinion leaders" in these high tech devices, as we get bad taste in our mouth, I am not sure how many more will hear about it.

I hope I was all wrong here, because I do hope Tomacro will somehow hear us a little more. Jackie, please communicate this message to them, if you are still here.

Sincerely,
Perry

I sold my unit few weeks ago and now waiting for my popcorn hour.
I will not buy their products again...not even with newer chipset...

I sold my unit few weeks ago and now waiting for my popcorn hour.
I will not buy their products again...not even with newer chipset...

I have the Mvix 760 and was going to buy the Lim last fall untill i started reading the forums on it. I held off and glad i did. I recieved my PH a couple of weeks ago and it has some bugs too but at least they are constantly updating and fixing them. I suggest you do some reading on it. It has lots of features but not very well documented. I even found a feature that they didn't have documented in wiki. (it's there now) The torrent feature is cool if you download lots of torrents, it doesn't tie up your pc. Plus the PH only uses 20 watts so leaving it on all the time is much more cost effective than running a pc. It plays all the files i have so far. Only problem i have is the big difference is sound levels between clips. Even on my dvds. The sound on the menus is loud and then the movie is soft. This isn't on all dvds so it may be the way it's mastered but they did play fine on the Mvix. So between the 2 i can play just about anything, i still prefer the Mvix for playing standard dvd iso files. One big drawback is, I have the Venus 4 bay usb attached hdd enclosure. I have it set up as 4 individual drives so i can organize files better. The Mvix would recognize all 4 drives, the PH will only recognized 1 of the 4. If i combine all 4 drives to 1 the PH can see the one large drive. But now i have to rebuild the drives and reload the files into the 1 drive setup. So i guess all these unts have their good and bad features.

I sold my unit few weeks ago and now waiting for my popcorn hour.
I will not buy their products again...not even with newer chipset... I have the A-100 also and absolutely love it. I wish I could sell my LIM. I tried twice but had no takers. I'm hoping that I will be lucky next time and be able to sell it. Heck, I would just about give it away.

I have the A-100 also and absolutely love it. I wish I could sell my LIM. I tried twice but had no takers. I'm hoping that I will be lucky next time and be able to sell it. Heck, I would just about give it away.

I dont have a pch, but the usb's on the front and no usb slave would drive me nuts....

K

I dont have a pch, but the usb's on the front and no usb slave would drive me nuts....

K

Yes, i wish there was one usb on the back for my attached hard drive but having one in front is nice if you want to connect something quick and temporary like a flash drive. The (lack of) usb slave isn't that bad, i transfer my dvds to the PH over the network, i can transfer a full dvd to an iso image on it in less than 8 minutes. Plus, the majority of my storage is in the 4 disc usb attached storage anyway. Like i said before, all these players have their pros and cons. But in the short time i've had the PH it's an amazing little player especially for the price and the tech support is the best i've seen on any of these.

I dont have a pch, but the usb's on the front and no usb slave would drive me nuts....

KI agree, it would drive me nuts if my NAS device didn't have a way around that. I have my PCH stuck behind my electronics cabinet so I don't even see it. Everything is run through my NAS.

I agree, it would drive me nuts if my NAS device didn't have a way around that. I have my PCH stuck behind my electronics cabinet so I don't even see it. Everything is run through my NAS.

Are you saying you don't use your PH since it's stuck behind your cabinet. If you do, how do you use the remote with it?

Are you saying you don't use your PH since it's stuck behind your cabinet. If you do, how do you use the remote with it?All my media gear is behind my TV that I don't need to access. I use a remote extender to get the signal to the ones that can't see the remote. My main remote is by Universal Remote Control Inc. and is programmed with all of the PCH codes.

All my media gear is behind my TV that I don't need to access. I use a remote extender to get the signal to the ones that can't see the remote. My main remote is by Universal Remote Control Inc. and is programmed with all of the PCH codes.

Oh, i got it. I use an rf extender remote too. Makes life much easier. One thing i have to do is re-do my A/V cabinet, new equipment to add and some to remove but this is turning into a wiring nightmare with all these different sources and connections. Not like it was years ago. (run a composite signal, audio cable and your done). I do have a HDMI switcher and now i'm looking for a good HDMI splitter. I need to feed 5 tvs from the one source. Plus i have to re-wire the house and bring it up to HDMI. I will be placing a big $$$ order with monoprice soon. I've had good luck with their products.

Mark,
From my understanding, it is not that they are not able to correct the bug, it is just they don't want to. I kind of understand their prospetive, but, again, we the consumers are stucked. i.e. without the cash flow, there will be no R&D. Like HiJack stated months ago (at the time even I refused to think that and hoped that Tomacro would be a "different company"), the new chip will replace the market. Obviously the new chip shifted Tomacro as well, and their focus is on their new products. What they are forgetting is, like many other different failed companies, people remember. Their reputation is down the drain for a long time, if they would ever come back again. I consider people here are somewhat "opinion leaders" in these high tech devices, as we get bad taste in our mouth, I am not sure how many more will hear about it.

I hope I was all wrong here, because I do hope Tomacro will somehow hear us a little more. Jackie, please communicate this message to them, if you are still here.

Sincerely,
Perry

I have emailed Jackie pretty much saying the same thing.

It's a real shame, because they got a lot of things right : alloy body and no fan needed, got MKV playback pretty much spot on (and lets not forget, would the other players have got MKV playback without the push from Tomacro?) and great picture quality.

Shame they could not follow through with the rest of the developments that the kind folks on here have suggested.

For the moment, I'll stick with my Lim until something that I'm happy with comes out (4+ usb slots on the back on the unit, no fan, space for hard disk, HDMI & coax, jpegs and text for each movie etc).

K

It's a real shame, because they got a lot of things right : alloy body and no fan needed, got MKV playback pretty much spot on (and lets not forget, would the other players have got MKV playback without the push from Tomacro?) and great picture quality.

The push for MKV is what got me interested in the LIM, unfortunately it seamed after that, further work dwindled.

If Tomacro had followed through with the firmware work and had better communication I would seriously entertain looking at new products they might offer, as it stands, any and all people who I know and who come to me for AV advice know to steer clear of Tomacro. Bad word gets around exponentially, I tell someone, who then tells someone and so on. Pitty...

(and lets not forget, would the other players have got MKV playback without the push from Tomacro?) K

yes they would have as they all stated they would look into adding it... Tomacro was first indeed but
let's not forget it took them a month or 2-3 to get it working (as the first release including MKV did
not play MKV at all) and we was already testing MKV with DvICo before they ever released support. I
responded this back in the days as well...)

I hope they won't bring newer devices...
It would mean repetition of the things we already know. They can't handle it unless they expand
resources severily and upgrade their skills as they shown pretty poor updates so far and could not
keep up with the rest, digin behind the "HD only" excuse... In addition, I join the group of consumers
that state Tomacro should not use puppets to comunicate but invest into customer support and have
people directly available to interact with consumers.

Sorry to say, but you are one of the main reasons Tomacro got away with this and jackie, supporting
their short vision of interacting thru only few people. I'm glad I could prevent Lim from becoming a
success in Eu and be happy to do that again if they launch another failure like this which is equally
unsupported or worthless except in 1/8th of the parts it should deliver.

Maybe they will surprise us.... maybe not...
I would be careful with interpreting whatever they claim in the future as so far 50% is proven
overstatements in quality, support and updates... if not more...

Enjoy

After reading this thread I have made up my mind to go for the POPCORN HOUR (PCH) unit instead of the LimHD200i . I almost bought the lim last month when visiting Hong Kong , but in the last minute I decided to do some research on the internet before I bought it.
Thanks to this thread I have saved myself for lots of trouble (as well as saved my money).

I have noticed that there is a new lim model out as well , but found only one website that sells it .I'm not considering to buy any lim products , but just to inform others on this forum in case you havent noticed.

Since this is my first post it seems like i'm not allowed to post URL's yet , but if anyone wants to chech it out you can use google to search for HOLYCOLOR , and the first result that comes up is to their company presentation at the ALIBABA website.Then under HDD MEDIA PLAYERS you will see it.

Holycolor also have their own website where they sells the product , www(dot)holycolor(dot)com under products you choose cd/hd player.

The model is called limHD210s
There is no information about this new product at Tomacros official website yet though.


Thank you all for an informative thread. :)

Could you guys start writing that LIM200i is a wonderful product ? I'm trying to sell mine...

Could you guys start writing that LIM200i is a wonderful product ? I'm trying to sell mine...

hehe :D:D:D

Maybe you could offer to throw in a bunch of free movies and include some bikini pictures in your for sale listing? Oh wait, someone tried that marketing strategy already.

Maybe you could offer to throw in a bunch of free movies and include some bikini pictures in your for sale listing? Oh wait, someone tried that marketing strategy already.

be sure I have them :D, without bikini as well :eek:

Just in....Tomacro still working on LimHD200i F/W....

K

K,
from who? Jackie? Where is he/she?

Perry

K,
from who? Jackie? Where is he/she?

Perry

Jackie.....I think they are maxed out with dev of F/W and new products....but I've been told new f/w is on it's way...but no date yet.

And, I have to say, I've seen nothing on the market at this point, to make me want to sell my Lim and buy something else, in fact I'm keeping an eye on ebay for another for the bedroom....so, if anyone in the UK is looking to get rid of their Lim (working) PM me...

K

And, I have to say, I've seen nothing on the market at this point, to make me want to sell my Lim and buy something else, in fact I'm keeping an eye on ebay for another for the bedroom....so, if anyone in the UK is looking to get rid of their Lim (working) PM me...

Ah yes, the captain going down with his ship. Is the band playing "Nearer my God to thee" yet?

Sorry K, forgive me -- I couldn't resist :)

Ah yes, the captain going down with his ship. Is the band playing "Nearer my God to thee" yet?

Sorry K, forgive me -- I couldn't resist :)


lol....:D

K

I agree that if you only want HD playback mainly and not use more than 1
network source and you already own a LimHD200i, it would not be wise to
sell it and get something else. However, you can "initially buy" something
much better for the same money...

That's the other side of the medaille from what you said above...
Can't argue with the fact this is equally true...

I want to sell mine, i'm just not doing it because I feel like selling a cat in a
bag. If you make a reasonable offer, you got yourself a second unit. It's not
the one with HDMI issues as I gave that one away for free...

Enjoy

I got my Lim back about a month ago now and fortunately it had the 1206 firmware on. I'm actually a reasonably happy user - I got it for playing mkv and avi files over the network and it does that reasonably well - Plays all my 720p stuff and about 50% of the 1080p things.

The firmware bugs are annoying but not fatal - The most annoying one for me at the moment is that the unit seems to lock up when it encounters an avi file with an unsupported codec forcing me to walk over and press the power button. If it could just display a message and return to the menu my life would be so much better.

It feels like the bugs that are there should be easy to fix so I'm really glad to hear that Tomacro are still working on the firmware.

I got my Lim back about a month ago now and fortunately it had the 1206 firmware on. I'm actually a reasonably happy user - I got it for playing mkv and avi files over the network and it does that reasonably well - Plays all my 720p stuff and about 50% of the 1080p things.

The firmware bugs are annoying but not fatal - The most annoying one for me at the moment is that the unit seems to lock up when it encounters an avi file with an unsupported codec forcing me to walk over and press the power button. If it could just display a message and return to the menu my life would be so much better.

It feels like the bugs that are there should be easy to fix so I'm really glad to hear that Tomacro are still working on the firmware.

Do you have the latest f/w?...I've no issues with 1080p MKV vi alocal playback...

K

Do you have the latest f/w?...I've no issues with 1080p MKV vi alocal playback...

K

I'm on the 1206 firmware which I believe is the latest one.

The problem I have with 1080p playback seems to affect about 50% of the 1080p stuff I have, but none of the 720p stuff

There's visual artifacts/glitches that appear all over the place (really bad - unwatchable). I haven't worked out the cause yet - It doesn't seem related to bit rate. The same issue happens whether playing from local disk, or via NFS over powerline ethernet.

I can send you some samples of the offending mkvs if it helps.

Cheers,

Fecn

I'm on the 1206 firmware which I believe is the latest one.
Yes it is the last firmware Tomacro ever releases.

After having problems playing most 1080p and dts files I decided to try loading the previous firmware. This appeared to go fine but when I have rebooted the lim it no longer sees the internal hard drive. When it starts up it say play in the top right corner then goes to menu as usual but shows no internal hard drive. I have also tried to recover it by turning on with the ok button but it wont respond to the ok button only the power button. The external usb works fine just the internal thats not working. Is there any way I can upgrade the firmware when it wont recognise the internal hard drive.

Yes, you can upgrade the firmware from an external USB hard drive or flash drive. Even if an internal hard drive is present, the limHD gives priority to update files found on the external device.

The model is called limHD210s
There is no information about this new product at Tomacros official website yet though.


Thank you all for an informative thread. :)
This product is made of even cheaper materials than the LimHD200i, a so called
budget player but uses the exact same firmware as the LimHD200i so equaly,
stay away... Currentlmy there are only 2 units we can recommend making
absolute great progress, PoPCorn hour and ISTAR but both have no fast copying
methods for data so should be considered mainly streamers...

They differ only hardware wise where the ISTAR has power button and VGA
instead of Component and also has optical. PopCorn uses internal HDD while
ISTAR only external (SATA/eSATA/USB2).

Next in line, even with the current issues known, is TVIX M-6500A but twice
as expensive and not living up to it's price yet. Should change in a month or
two...

Enjoy

Did Jackie skip town, he hasn't posted in over 3 weeks and you can't even get into his website.

When setting up a samba network must the shared folder containg the video files be on the C drive as this seem to be the only way I can get my files to be seen by the Lim. Is it possible to have them on another drive and if so what do I need to put in the Lim after my ip adrres to get it to regonise it.

eg 192.167.64/media works fine (apart from stuttering playback but Im working on that) when in the C drive.

What do I need to put in for it to work with a folder named media on my H drive.

When setting up a samba network must the shared folder containg the video files be on the C drive as this seem to be the only way I can get my files to be seen by the Lim. Is it possible to have them on another drive and if so what do I need to put in the Lim after my ip adrres to get it to regonise it.

eg 192.167.64/media works fine (apart from stuttering playback but Im working on that) when in the C drive.

What do I need to put in for it to work with a folder named media on my H drive.

Dont bother with samba, use NFS...

K

Dont bother with samba, use NFS...

K

Is there any step by step instructions for setting that up, the maunual on NFS is double dutch to me and only seems to mention linux. I have no experience with networks:confused:

Is there any step by step instructions for setting that up, the maunual on NFS is double dutch to me and only seems to mention linux. I have no experience with networks:confused:

Here's a link to a pdf that shows you how to setup NFS on the Lim

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=11099027#post11099027

K

Your a star m8, sorted now:)

Your a star m8, sorted now:)

Your welcome...but credit must go to Mark as he did the hard work...

K

Hello! Everybody! Tomacro 'current strategy is focusing on developing 8634 new product and LIM200i firmware will be announced after 8634 products coming into market.
Tvix’s firmware has also not been updated,because everybody are busy in developing new products of 8634.Have a great day!
Yours,
Jackie

Jackie when are they in the willing to finish the developement of the new 8634, so we poor owners of the lim200i can hope in something new ;)

[QUOTE=sta;13408766]Jackie when are they in the willing to finish the developement of the new 8634, so we poor owners of the lim200i can hope in something new ;)[/QUO
Not so sure of the exact day for the new firmware, but won't very long.

Sorry! Not exactly.

They've already got the money for the Lim200i, so in other words, take a hike!

They've already got the money for the Lim200i, so in other words, take a hike!

Not sure that's what Jackie meant.....poor translation all round I think!.

Jackie - how long until we have new f/w for the Limhd200i?

K

Not sure that's what Jackie meant.....poor translation all round I think!.

Jackie - how long until we have new f/w for the Limhd200i?

K
Hello! Tomacro will publish the new fimware of lim200i next month after 8634 products come into the market. :)

They've already got the money for the Lim200i, so in other words, take a hike!

Sorry for my poor English, I mean we are not sure of the exact day when the new firmware will be out, be patient, you won't wait long.

Sorry for my poor English, I mean we are not sure of the exact day when the new firmware will be out, be patient, you won't wait long.


Thanks Jackie

K

OMG, you two really make a comic duo.
I would laugh my ass off, if it wasn't for that worthless piece of junk taking up space in my closet.

OMG, you two really make a comic duo.
I would laugh my ass off, if it wasn't for that worthless piece of junk taking up space in my closet.

Hey...that's uncalled for!

If you are not happy with your lim, sell it. I have been following the 6500 and PCH threads, and I see no reason at all to sell my Lim - so I for one am glad that new f/w is on the way.



K

If you are not happy with your lim, sell it. I have been following the 6500 and PCH threads, and I see no reason at all to sell my Lim - so I for one am glad that new f/w is on the way.
K

ALL of the media players on the market have their share of problems. If your looking for the perfect player your not going to find it. It's just really poor when a company puts their current customers on hold while they develop a new product. Mvix did the same. They hadn't issued a new fw for the 760HD since last July. Then if Feb they launch the new 780HD. In March (8 months later) they come out with a fw update for the 760HD that has a couple of fixes. By then everyone had updated their 760 to 780 with the hacked fw. It was a very easy hack but 760 owners shouldn't have been forced into doing that. Mvix should have released the fw for the 760 to upgrade it without having to hack it.

Mvix is currently working on the 800 which will have a tuner and recording capabilities. I know i won't touch that one until it's on the market for some time. If they can't get a simple player to work right i can't imagine what they will do with a recorder.

PCH is currently supporting their customers by issuing fw updates regularly on a monthly basis but they too still have their share of problems. Time will only tell how the support will continue. They have another unit out, the Istar, which i believe uses the same fw. So hopefully the updates will continue coming.

I own a Mvix and the PCH. All i want is a fw that is stable and will do what the unit was advertised to do. Nothing more, Nothing less.

Probably (hopefully) within the next couple years someone will come out with a stable player and all of these units (Lim, Mvix, PCH, Tvix etc.) will end up in our closets or garage sale. And using the excuse that we are early adapters of new technology doesn't make it with me. Being an early adapter of new technology always comes with a price $$, costs more and less features than products coming out after but we shouldn't be paying a high price for products that won't even perform the basic functions it's advertised to do.

The trend seems to be, build a product and ship it as soon as possible and we will fix the problems later (hopefully) with fw updates. And the sad part is consumers are starting to accept this as normal business practice. The software industry started this, ship the software and we will fix it with updates but now it's moved into everything. Even LCD TVs are coming out with upgradeable fw. China is flooding the market with inferior (undeveloped) products and the world is accepting them.

Hey...that's uncalled for!

If you are not happy with your lim, sell it. I have been following the 6500 and PCH threads, and I see no reason at all to sell my Lim - so I for one am glad that new f/w is on the way.



K
Just because other players, which have been around a whole lot less time than the limHD, are having problems does not make the limHD200i any less of a piece of junk!

I am starting to gag everytime someone says that these machines are complicated and beta (gag...gag) so what do you expect? more gagging!

If they are beta and you want people to test it then provide them to them for free or for some very nominal fee not freakin $500+ (cost of the early limHD units)

I am beginning to agree that the PCH is another dud but at least they are not gouging you as deeply as the lim....even so $180 US is more than it is worth!

Just because other players, which have been around a whole lot less time than the limHD, are having problems does not make the limHD200i any less of a piece of junk!

I am starting to gag everytime someone says that these machines are complicated and beta (gag...gag) so what do you expect? more gagging!

If they are beta and you want people to test it then provide them to them for free or for some very nominal fee not freakin $500+ (cost of the early limHD units)

I am beginning to agree that the PCH is another dud but at least they are not gouging you as deeply as the lim....even so $180 US is more than it is worth!
I recently decided to not purchase the A-100 but I am not sure I would call it a dud just yet. It has not been on the market anywhere nearly as long as the limHD. I will give Popcorn Hour the nod when it comes to clever marketing!

In my opinion some people should open their eyes... I'm pretty sure 80% of the lim consumers will not even consider buying the new LiM SMP8634/35 based players as the company has shown it cannot handle communications or support at all. The people they use (and I consider even OldP being used in the background favouring him for beta tests and off course GenDVD as the alround God Spokesman/reseller/lim junkie) for getting you to buy the players are constantly referring to other players.

There is two different things...
The status the Lim HD is in is 10 X as poor as the TVIX but it's true they fail updating nowadays too working on the newer models, waiting for new Sigma SDK's and so on... I would not even dare to compare the Lim against a PoPCorn or ISTAR as only 10% of these players would already exceed what Lim can do for you...

I already said before it's stupid to upgrade from Lim (if you are happy with it) but you can make a far better initial purchase than Lim or other Tomacro products. The brand is a not only a disappointment, it's a simple joke especially if you look at al their big announcements and the endless "gendvd" messages about how "soon" things will come and improve "greatly"...

Every company will move on, every company fails at some point but NO company so far failed on all of the expectations people have from claims being "worlds first and best HD player" and that includes failing in communication, in service, in updates or even make the hardware decently.

Maybe they used some of the feedback in the new products passed on by Gendvd who's the only one in direct contact with Lim as they take no interest talking to consumers. Consumers should teach them a lesson in 2 ways... Stop buying the products or stop buying them from this "gendvd" character...

Only way they go away and abuse these forums to lure people into purchasing a bag full of air... and for that matter gendvd, don't use TvIX to make a comparison... They no fail to deliver firmware but it has not been like that for a year like Tomacro who issues updates with hardly any changes to fool consumers again into believing they are working hard and compare with more products... like NMT who get releases every month... Will you admit LimHD200i is failing brand against PopCorn and ISTAR?

Please respond comparing Syabas NMT vs. Tomacro... I look forward to what cheap excuses you might wanna use to justify again how poor Tomacro is in general on all fronts... (Here's a tip: NMT are SMP8634/35 while Lim is EM8623.... sounds like a good excuse you might use to explain while the developers and the company is failing which actually have nothing to do with the chip, right?)

Some people can be very happy I'm not a moderator here as this whole junk thread would have been rid of these marketing people and posts all the time which actually hardly carry information we can do something with (not OldP as he's doing a good job, sadly for the wrong brand).

Anyway... enough...
Bring it on and show us once more what you're "not" made off... and along the way, you and Tomacro should learn to take frigging responsibility for what you're not doing instead of excusing yourselves because others make the same mistakes... I would have arranged a "MASS RETURN" if ever we had recommended the LimHD200i but we never did fall for your nonsense so can't return what we never bought... did we now?

In my opinion some people should open their eyes... I'm pretty sure 80% of the lim consumers will not even consider buying the new LiM SMP8634/35 based players as the company has shown it cannot handle communications or support at all. The people they use (and I consider even OldP being used in the background favouring him for beta tests and off course GenDVD as the alround God Spokesman/reseller/lim junkie) for getting you to buy the players are constantly referring to other players.

There is two different things...
The status the Lim HD is in is 10 X as poor as the TVIX but it's true they fail updating nowadays too working on the newer models, waiting for new Sigma SDK's and so on... I would not even dare to compare the Lim against a PoPCorn or ISTAR as only 10% of these players would already exceed what Lim can do for you...

I already said before it's stupid to upgrade from Lim (if you are happy with it) but you can make a far better initial purchase than Lim or other Tomacro products. The brand is a not only a disappointment, it's a simple joke especially if you look at al their big announcements and the endless "gendvd" messages about how "soon" things will come and improve "greatly"...

Every company will move on, every company fails at some point but NO company so far failed on all of the expectations people have from claims being "worlds first and best HD player" and that includes failing in communication, in service, in updates or even make the hardware decently.

Maybe they used some of the feedback in the new products passed on by Gendvd who's the only one in direct contact with Lim as they take no interest talking to consumers. Consumers should teach them a lesson in 2 ways... Stop buying the products or stop buying them from this "gendvd" character...

Only way they go away and abuse these forums to lure people into purchasing a bag full of air... and for that matter gendvd, don't use TvIX to make a comparison... They no fail to deliver firmware but it has not been like that for a year like Tomacro who issues updates with hardly any changes to fool consumers again into believing they are working hard and compare with more products... like NMT who get releases every month... Will you admit LimHD200i is failing brand against PopCorn and ISTAR?

Please respond comparing Syabas NMT vs. Tomacro... I look forward to what cheap excuses you might wanna use to justify again how poor Tomacro is in general on all fronts... (Here's a tip: NMT are SMP8634/35 while Lim is EM8623.... sounds like a good excuse you might use to explain while the developers and the company is failing which actually have nothing to do with the chip, right?)

Some people can be very happy I'm not a moderator here as this whole junk thread would have been rid of these marketing people and posts all the time which actually hardly carry information we can do something with (not OldP as he's doing a good job, sadly for the wrong brand).

Anyway... enough...
Bring it on and show us once more what you're "not" made off... and along the way, you and Tomacro should learn to take frigging responsibility for what you're not doing instead of excusing yourselves because others make the same mistakes... I would have arranged a "MASS RETURN" if ever we had recommended the LimHD200i but we never did fall for your nonsense so can't return what we never bought... did we now?
I agree with most of what you said and have been saying about the limHD but the A-100 as well as the Istar do have issues. A big one for A-100 is the reboot lockup and from my browsing over at the networkmediatank forum it does not appear that they are convinced there is even an issue yet. The other possibly related issue is the lack of a fan. It is not a good sign that there are multiple threads over there on how to add a fan.

I think the A-100 is head and shoulders above the limHD but it sure is not perfect and I think the next 2-3 months will give us strong clues to the long term conclusion to the A-100!

One last thing and that is that IMO the marketing gimmick (creating demand by creating the illusion of a shortage) of the A-100 is unpleasant and is almost as bad as the garbage that Tomacro tried with the limHD.

One last thing and that is that IMO the marketing gimmick (creating demand by creating the illusion of a shortage) of the A-100 is unpleasant and is almost as bad as the garbage that Tomacro tried with the limHD.


I totaly agree with that, this business of signing up and waiting for an invitation to purchase is a first. This unit contains 2 boards, a case and a power supply which probably takes 5 minutes to assemble and package. I'm sure the boards can be in that short of supply. One thing about the Mvix is I was able to buy it locally and could return it within 30 days with no problems or shipping if i didn't want it. Which i did with my first one since the MAC address in the setup screen didn't match the MAC address sticker on the unit and had the wrong NAS key code. I called Mvix about it and opened a ticket about 6 weeks ago and still haven't heard back from them. But i had retuned it for another unit so i really don't care. But the fact that they don't care enough to contact me will stop me from buying from them again.

The reason I'll stick with my Lim for the moment is a simple one - I don’t think any of the new players will deliver what everyone is looking for; I reckon it will take a few more generations. To clarify what I mean - my Lim plays back the files I want great.

But, before I part with any cash for a new media player, it must have/be able to do the following:

- Gigabit lan
- USB port that can recognise a USB hub (at the back of the unit please...not on the F&^%$$% front!)
- USB Slave
- NAS compatibility
- HDMI 1.3
- Internal Hard drive
- A decent remote! (backlight touchcreen would be a nice option)
- Displays covers & text - without having to be a programmer (is it that hard to create a folder for a movie/music, name it, drop it a txt file and a jpeg, and the player to just show the picture and txt??!)....possibility of adding an IMDB URL?
- MP3 playlists - point and click at various files and it creates a playlist that you can save to the hard drive
- Resume playback after power off (holds in memory last 5 files played and their position on poweroff- dvd players can do it!)
- Alloy body (same as lim so no fan needed)
- Looks like an A/V component that would look good in your rack!
- Plays all the usual video and audio codecs/containers – with FF/RW
- MKV playback supported by hardware, not just software
- Lastly - open source f/w, once it’s stable
- Oh, and while I am at it - an inbuilt dvd drive that can read cdr + dvd-+r & DL!

I also understand the licencing issues with on-board DTS decoding...so passthrough over tos/coax/hdmi is fine.

anyway, enough of my ranting!

Phew, feel better now after getting that off my chest!...lol :D.....err hang on....have I just built a HTPC?....bugger!!!

K

I agree with most of what you said and have been saying about the limHD but the A-100 as well as the Istar do have issues. A big one for A-100 is the reboot lockup and from my browsing over at the networkmediatank forum it does not appear that they are convinced there is even an issue yet. The other possibly related issue is the lack of a fan. It is not a good sign that there are multiple threads over there on how to add a fan.

I think the A-100 is head and shoulders above the limHD but it sure is not perfect and I think the next 2-3 months will give us strong clues to the long term conclusion to the A-100!

One last thing and that is that IMO the marketing gimmick (creating demand by creating the illusion of a shortage) of the A-100 is unpleasant and is almost as bad as the garbage that Tomacro tried with the limHD.

I not heard of a lockup on the A-100 but you are welcome sending me that
info. As for the cooling, ISTAR does have a cooler inside which is disconnected
and the user is free to connect it. It's silent as well...

I never said PCH and ISTAR and other NMT have no issues, but they are quite
more developed in general than Lim which was the actual message they cause
less trouble and are a better choice to begin with. also the missing VFS and
USB Slave can be things that give Lim an edge over these NMT players but for
streaming device (what is the Lim mainly used for anyways), they are far more
featured... The shortage is based on limited capacity of production and while shortage might exist for the PCH, there might be none for the ISTAR once released, the HD-X X900, the eGreat player and so on... They are all similar... but you have a point there that things are not right. (also was not my point to make)

PS: Also MVIX USA is on our black list of not recommended players due to lacking support and updates but we do make a difference in brands that explain the situation or just ignore your info requests and rather lacking updates are for a few months or a full year...

Enjoy

I not heard of a lockup on the A-100 but you are welcome sending me that
info. As for the cooling, ISTAR does have a cooler inside which is disconnected
and the user is free to connect it. It's silent as well...

I never said PCH and ISTAR and other NMT have no issues, but they are quite
more developed in general than Lim which was the actual message they cause
less trouble and are a better choice to begin with. also the missing VFS and
USB Slave can be things that give Lim an edge over these NMT players but for
streaming device (what is the Lim mainly used for anyways), they are far more
featured... The shortage is based on limited capacity of production and while shortage might exist for the PCH, there might be none for the ISTAR once released, the HD-X X900, the eGreat player and so on... They are all similar... but you have a point there that things are not right. (also was not my point to make)

PS: Also MVIX USA is on our black list of not recommended players due to lacking support and updates but we do make a difference in brands that explain the situation or just ignore your info requests and rather lacking updates are for a few months or a full year...

Enjoy

Here are a couple of threads from the mediatank forum regarding the bootup lockup coldstart issues:
http://www.networkedmediatank.com/viewtopic.php?t=1526
http://www.networkedmediatank.com/viewtopic.php?t=1485
http://www.networkedmediatank.com/viewtopic.php?t=2219

I know that the Istar has a fan and that is good I think but my point is that the A-100 has enough of a problem that owners have taken things into their own hands and started installing fans. In reading the posts I am not really sure however that fans are the fix for the bootup lockup issues.

I agree that the PCH is a much better media player than the limHD, if for no other reason than it costs way less. I almost feel sorry for the poor folks that paid nearly $600 for the early limHD units.

I am not sure that I buy the shortage thing with the PCH. Maybe in the first month or so but they have been selling these units for months now. It still feels like a sales ploy. If it is not then they should take a few minutes to improve their website, at least keep it up to date.

This may be a dumb question but who makes the PCH and who makes the Istar?

BTW have you had a chance to look over the SageTV Media extender?

I have been systematically refusing samples for media extenders unless they can
work stand alone. I'm not convinced anyone needs a box that "extends" what
your PC can do on it's own unless it costs below 100$.

Getting updated with the boot issues now. Seems quite a few experience it but so far, (and we have hundreds of A100 users as we done a buyin for 400 units) I can't recollect any messages about this... Good to know if anything pop up... and we'll join people asking for a solution if we can rebuild the issue...

[QUOTE=Hi-Jack;13458567]I have been systematically refusing samples for media extenders unless they can
work stand alone. I'm not convinced anyone needs a box that "extends" what
your PC can do on it's own unless it costs below 100$.
QUOTE]

Even at 50 bucks i wouldn't buy one. The whole point was to play files "without" the pc. Otherwise just use a HTPC.

[QUOTE=Hi-Jack;13458567]I have been systematically refusing samples for media extenders unless they can
work stand alone. I'm not convinced anyone needs a box that "extends" what
your PC can do on it's own unless it costs below 100$.
QUOTE]

Even at 50 bucks i wouldn't buy one. The whole point was to play files "without" the pc. Otherwise just use a HTPC.
There is a big difference between using a PC with a media extender and using an HTPC. I have tried both and I much prefer PC or server + media extender over HTPC. I use my PC to record, remove commercials and place the commercial free video where I want it on my network. I use my two Linkplayer2s to view and delete using the universal remotes we use for our TVs. This is far less complicated and maintenance intensive than HTPC but most of all it is WAF. My wife and our adult children (when they visit) use it almost exclusively.

I personally have never seen the need for an internal HDD for either of my NMPs. I have roughly 3TB of network storage spread between 1 Linux based server and a few USB drives. My main PC is used to schedule, record, cut commercials as well as everyday web surfing or whatever. My PC is located on the opposite side of house from either of my NMPs.

IMO just because you transfer files to an internal HDD in the A-100 does not mean that you are fundamentally doing anything different than me. I assume you still use your PC to get video and you use your network to transfer that video to the A-100. If I had internal HDD capability and it provided a way to play higher bit rate TS files I would probably use it but it really is not something that I need or want at the moment.

I have been systematically refusing samples for media extenders unless they can
work stand alone. I'm not convinced anyone needs a box that "extends" what
your PC can do on it's own unless it costs below 100$.

Getting updated with the boot issues now. Seems quite a few experience it but so far, (and we have hundreds of A100 users as we done a buyin for 400 units) I can't recollect any messages about this... Good to know if anything pop up... and we'll join people asking for a solution if we can rebuild the issue...
I hear what you are saying in regards to the SageTV Media Extender but....many folks that use media extenders use something like SageTV or BeyondTV or GBPVR to schedule and record TV shows. Yes I know a lot more folks use this software for their HTPCs however there are fair number like myself who use it in conjunction with their NMPs. The one thing that all media extenders is missing IMO is the ability to view a tv guide and schedule TV recordings right from your couch. This is something that HTPC folks can do. With the SageTV Extender I could potentially get that capability and not give up anything.

I would also be willing to bet that their extender will work with some of the more widely used software servers like WIZD.

I understand your reason for not reviewing it but it is unique and IMO has to be considered. It is NOT like Apple TV for example because it does not force you to use certain DRM'd video types and as I said I bet it does not actually force you to use SageTV.

I also think that most folks with any type of media extender need and use their PC to either record, edit, rip or download and transfer the video that they will ultimately put on the internal HDD. So basically your definition of a stand alone media extender is one that has internal HDD capability. Yes that technically makes it stand alone BUT you have to admit that a PC is still required.

One final point is that stand alone media players have a very limited amount of storage. Even if you install a 1TB HDD in one you will be severely restricted to how much music, pictures and video you can access...so in the end most folks will end up hooking their so called stand alone media extender to their network and to their PC. Yes they can disconnect their media extender from their network and they do not need a PC to view what is stored on the internal HDD and that has its place but I am willing to bet that is a small percentage of folks and in the end they will still need a PC and most likely a network.

[QUOTE=Burnerbum;13458820]
There is a big difference between using a PC with a media extender and using an HTPC. I have tried both and I much prefer PC or server + media extender over HTPC. I use my PC to record, remove commercials and place the commercial free video where I want it on my network. I use my two Linkplayer2s to view and delete using the universal remotes we use for our TVs. This is far less complicated and maintenance intensive than HTPC but most of all it is WAF. My wife and our adult children (when they visit) use it almost exclusively.

You use your system a lot more than i do. I basically use it for playing DVD ISO files and i have an external usb drive that has 4 drives with 3tb. So once it's loaded i'm done with the pc. Basically, nothing more than i couldn't do with a regulard dvd player and discs but this way all the movies are nice and handy. And much easier to transport. I can also connect the usb drive to my NAS and network it if i want. I haven't gotten into recording other than with my Toshiba XS52. Even that doesn't get too much use. Most of my recording is with the DVR which is watched and removed. Someday if i upgrade my equipment and have the ability to record HD that would be a different situation. That is something i have just started to explore.

[QUOTE=digitalkid2;13459645]

You use your system a lot more than i do. I basically use it for playing DVD ISO files and i have an external usb drive that has 4 drives with 3tb. So once it's loaded i'm done with the pc. Basically, nothing more than i couldn't do with a regulard dvd player and discs but this way all the movies are nice and handy. And much easier to transport. I can also connect the usb drive to my NAS and network it if i want. I haven't gotten into recording other than with my Toshiba XS52. Even that doesn't get too much use. Most of my recording is with the DVR which is watched and removed. Someday if i upgrade my equipment and have the ability to record HD that would be a different situation. That is something i have just started to explore.
I also have all of my DVDs on HDD and I record both SD and HD. My family greatly appreciates not having to view and or fast forward through commercials which is why I do as much recording as I do. We have a DVR but it rarely gets used because of the fast forwarding thing. I have never had a need to have any of my video be portable on a HDD. Unfortunately or fortunately none of our friends have media extenders.

My main PC is an old P4 2.53GHz that can record two shows simultaniously, cut commercials and I can browse the internet or what ever all at the same time. We can also be viewing video on the Linkplayers. This not bragging my point is that most folks that have not done this seem to think that your PC will be consumed by either recording or streaming video and that is simply not the case provided you are not transcoding that is.

Let me add one more "feature" in your collection from reseller and consumer point of view:
999) Support from the company that does hardware.
So far those small chinese HW companies were so excited about their hardware that totally forgot about public those devices intended for.
And even if communication with the vendor is good (like in case with lim), the real issues are just mounting without solution. It sometimes looks like A-100 and lim creators live in their own virtual wonderful world and we, consumers, are just annoying extra for their perfect devices. May be wrong feeling, but nevertheless...

OBR

The reason I'll stick with my Lim for the moment is a simple one - I don’t think any of the new players will deliver what everyone is looking for; I reckon it will take a few more generations. To clarify what I mean - my Lim plays back the files I want great.

But, before I part with any cash for a new media player, it must have/be able to do the following:

- Gigabit lan
- USB port that can recognise a USB hub (at the back of the unit please...not on the F&^%$$% front!)
- USB Slave
- NAS compatibility
- HDMI 1.3
- Internal Hard drive
- A decent remote! (backlight touchcreen would be a nice option)
- Displays covers & text - without having to be a programmer (is it that hard to create a folder for a movie/music, name it, drop it a txt file and a jpeg, and the player to just show the picture and txt??!)....possibility of adding an IMDB URL?
- MP3 playlists - point and click at various files and it creates a playlist that you can save to the hard drive
- Resume playback after power off (holds in memory last 5 files played and their position on poweroff- dvd players can do it!)
- Alloy body (same as lim so no fan needed)
- Looks like an A/V component that would look good in your rack!
- Plays all the usual video and audio codecs/containers – with FF/RW
- MKV playback supported by hardware, not just software
- Lastly - open source f/w, once it’s stable
- Oh, and while I am at it - an inbuilt dvd drive that can read cdr + dvd-+r & DL!

I also understand the licencing issues with on-board DTS decoding...so passthrough over tos/coax/hdmi is fine.

anyway, enough of my ranting!

Phew, feel better now after getting that off my chest!...lol :D.....err hang on....have I just built a HTPC?....bugger!!!

K

Let me add one more "feature" in your collection from reseller and consumer point of view:
999) Support from the company that does hardware.
So far those small chinese HW companies were so excited about their hardware that totally forgot about public those devices intended for.
And even if communication with the vendor is good (like in case with lim), the real issues are just mounting without solution. It sometimes looks like A-100 and lim creators live in their own virtual wonderful world and we, consumers, are just annoying extra for their perfect devices. May be wrong feeling, but nevertheless...

OBR
I agree and there does seem to be a common thread in the way they operate. However, I disagree that there is good communication, even with the limHD. The communication is usually vague and tends to be more of "be patient, this is difficult problem but you will be happy" or it is someone like oldpainless68 smothering everything, giving the impression all is well with lots of teamwork and communication but in reality all is not well.

None are well, some are just worse than others...
That's the bottom line... Need to wait for several more years until someone has the guts
and funds to deliver and as far as HTPC and PC / Media Extenders are concerned, they are small useless steps to fake progress where big ones are needed to make any...

Extenders would be worth their 200$ value if combining both extender and standalone playback abilities. I prefer a simple player (SMB/NFS supported) over any PC with extender as the extender limits the formats i can use (applied by Microshit who paid vendors to bring these rubbish devices) or I need to go patching around and that is less user friendly. PC's often are also not the right way for families with kids... wife maybe?

It would be perfectly possible to have a blu-ray player out there in combination with the NMT software + extender abilities all together for example but someone is keeping this from being developed by not issuing licenses (Sony, Sigma) or keep the market mostly progress slow... Will never change... In the mean time we pay the same price for half baked limited unstable and sometimes okaish devices which carry values close to a blu-ray player... What do they do eventually to "bridge" the gap... Add DivX Support. Anybody happy?

We are getting pissed on by many, some just piss more than others and actually, I do respect the small efforts from brands like PoPCorn Hour, ISTAR and Syabas in general. They set a new price level... That's a good start to stop overcharging products and i'm all for it... :-)
http://www.mpcclub.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=519

I agree, Lim communication is something I have yet to see but if you compare players, it
will end up in the list from reasonable to bad to worse... at least in mine... extenders are not even on it... it's a nice useless thing wrapped into beatifull words and pricing it at 50$ / 100 bucks might offer the people ideas this is "cheap" stuff... Any reason is good enough to make hardly progress...

Here's a link to a pdf that shows you how to setup NFS on the Lim

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=11099027#post11099027

K

OP,
I followed the procedures and get it to the final step but I still can not see any files. Do I need to specify a workgroup in the NFS server? How about network security, 128bit encryption matters or not? Thanks for your help.

Perry

OP,
I followed the procedures and get it to the final step but I still can not see any files. Do I need to specify a workgroup in the NFS server? How about network security, 128bit encryption matters or not? Thanks for your help.

Perry

do you follow this bit?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark Fontana
Oops, forgot about Windows Firewall (I've had it disabled for a while since I'm behind a hardware firewall and it was causing too much trouble.) I just did some tests, and it looks like what you need to do is go into the Exceptions tab for Windows Firewall and add six entries using the Add Port... button. Add these entries (name, port, type):
SunRPC Portmapper TCP, 111, TCP
SunRPC Portmapper UDP, 111, UDP
Mountd TCP, 1058, TCP
Mountd UDP, 1058, UDP
NFS TCP, 2049, TCP
NFS UDP, 2049, UDP
Seems to work OK here (with firewall enabled). Please confirm, and I'll add it to the document.

Mark....that's done the trick...cheers!!!....when you add this to the instructions, you may want to add the share\media structure (as I mentioned above).

Once again...well done!

I will give it a try again tonight. Thanks OP.

Perry

OP, I did try and was able to get NFS to run. However, perhaps due to my wireless network, the streaming stops and go from time to time. It just does not work very well.

Perry

OP, I did try and was able to get NFS to run. However, perhaps due to my wireless network, the streaming stops and go from time to time. It just does not work very well.

Perry

Ok....I've no issues with lan over powerlines....

K

I gave up on mine, I was shooting for a smooth 1080p mkv player, I am sure I was doing something wrong.. but its for sale.

Opps, forgot the link:
http://cgi.*********/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=320232974276&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT&ih=011

Hmm, i am too new to avs, apparently you are not allowed to link to e bay. If anyone is interested, just pm or email me. Sorry about the rules breakage.

Opps, forgot the link:
http://cgi.*********/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=320232974276&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT&ih=011

Hmm, i am too new to avs, apparently you are not allowed to link to e bay. If anyone is interested, just pm or email me. Sorry about the rules breakage.

Cant see it on ebay yet (still looking for another unit.....at the right price!)....

K

Cant see it on ebay yet (still looking for another unit.....at the right price!)....

K
You are a glutton for punishment! unless by the 'right price' you mean 'for free'!

You are a glutton for punishment! unless by the 'right price' you mean 'for free'!

Hey, free would be great if your offering!..lol...:D

K

Hey, free would be great if your offering!..lol...:D

K
The lim200 is one electronic device IMO I was fortunate to not have purchased. How is the HTPC working out? If someone does not make a decent NMP soon I may have to give that a 2nd try.

OP,
I went and bought a Netgear HDXB101 Lan over powerline and here are my observations: For Commercially made HD (.m2t) that I recorded off air, they play just fine. For my own taping (Canon HV20), it just stutters. Internal HDD has no problem, however. Here are the specs of the 2 files:

Commercial Recording:
General #0
ID : 8D7
Complete name : T:\temp\BeyondTVHDRecording.m2t
Format : MPEG-2 Transport
Format/Family : MPEG-2
File size : 270 MiB
PlayTime : 1mn 56s
Bit rate : 19 Mbps

Video #0
ID : 49 (0x31)
MenuID : 3 (0x3)
Codec : MPEG-2 Video
Codec/Family : MPEG-V
Codec profile : Main@High
Codec settings, Matrix : Standard
PlayTime : 1mn 56s
Bit rate mode : CBR
Nominal bit rate : 65 Mbps
Width : 1920 pixels
Height : 1080 pixels
Display Aspect ratio : 16/9
Frame rate : 29.970 fps
Chroma : 4:2:0
Interlacement : Top Field First

Video #1
ID : 65 (0x41)
MenuID : 4 (0x4)
Codec : MPEG-2 Video
Codec/Family : MPEG-V
Codec profile : Main@Main
Codec settings, Matrix : Standard
PlayTime : 1mn 56s
Bit rate mode : CBR
Nominal bit rate : 15 Mbps
Width : 704 pixels
Height : 480 pixels
Display Aspect ratio : 4/3
Frame rate : 29.970 fps
Chroma : 4:2:0
Interlacement : Bottom Field First

Audio #0
ID : 52 (0x34)
MenuID : 3 (0x3)
Codec : AC3
Bit rate mode : CBR
Bit rate : 384 Kbps
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel positions : Front: L C R, Rear: L R, LFE
Sampling rate : 48 KHz

Audio #1
ID : 68 (0x44)
MenuID : 4 (0x4)
Codec : AC3
Bit rate mode : CBR
Bit rate : 192 Kbps
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Channel positions : L R
Sampling rate : 48 KHz

Menu #0
ID : 48 (0x30)
MenuID : 3 (0x3)
Codec : MPEG-2V / AC3
List : 49 (0x31) (MPEG-2V) / 52 (0x34) (AC3)

Menu #1
ID : 64 (0x40)
MenuID : 4 (0x4)
Codec : MPEG-2V / AC3
List : 65 (0x41) (MPEG-2V) / 68 (0x44) (AC3)




Canon HV20:

General #0
ID : FF
Complete name : T:\temp\24pTest_30p.m2t
Format : MPEG-2 Transport
Format/Family : MPEG-2
File size : 194 MiB

Video #0
ID : 2064 (0x810)
MenuID : 100 (0x64)
Codec : MPEG-2 Video
Codec/Family : MPEG-V
Codec profile : Main@High-1440
Codec settings, Matrix : Standard
Bit rate mode : CBR
Bit rate : 25 Mbps
Nominal bit rate : 25 Mbps
Width : 1440 pixels
Height : 1080 pixels
Display Aspect ratio : 16/9
Frame rate : 29.970 fps
Chroma : 4:2:0
Interlacement : Top Field First

Audio #0
ID : 2068 (0x814)
MenuID : 100 (0x64)
Codec : MPEG-1 Audio layer 2
Bit rate mode : CBR
Bit rate : 384 Kbps
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Sampling rate : 48 KHz
Resolution : 16 bits
Video0 delay : -188ms
Writing library : Xing (new)

OP,
I went and bought a Netgear HDXB101 Lan over powerline and here are my observations: For Commercially made HD (.m2t) that I recorded off air, they play just fine. For my own taping (Canon HV20), it just stutters. Internal HDD has no problem, however. Here are the specs of the 2 files:

Commercial Recording:
General #0
ID : 8D7
Complete name : T:\temp\BeyondTVHDRecording.m2t
Format : MPEG-2 Transport
Format/Family : MPEG-2
File size : 270 MiB
PlayTime : 1mn 56s
Bit rate : 19 Mbps

Video #0
ID : 49 (0x31)
MenuID : 3 (0x3)
Codec : MPEG-2 Video
Codec/Family : MPEG-V
Codec profile : Main@High
Codec settings, Matrix : Standard
PlayTime : 1mn 56s
Bit rate mode : CBR
Nominal bit rate : 65 Mbps
Width : 1920 pixels
Height : 1080 pixels
Display Aspect ratio : 16/9
Frame rate : 29.970 fps
Chroma : 4:2:0
Interlacement : Top Field First

Video #1
ID : 65 (0x41)
MenuID : 4 (0x4)
Codec : MPEG-2 Video
Codec/Family : MPEG-V
Codec profile : Main@Main
Codec settings, Matrix : Standard
PlayTime : 1mn 56s
Bit rate mode : CBR
Nominal bit rate : 15 Mbps
Width : 704 pixels
Height : 480 pixels
Display Aspect ratio : 4/3
Frame rate : 29.970 fps
Chroma : 4:2:0
Interlacement : Bottom Field First

Audio #0
ID : 52 (0x34)
MenuID : 3 (0x3)
Codec : AC3
Bit rate mode : CBR
Bit rate : 384 Kbps
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel positions : Front: L C R, Rear: L R, LFE
Sampling rate : 48 KHz

Audio #1
ID : 68 (0x44)
MenuID : 4 (0x4)
Codec : AC3
Bit rate mode : CBR
Bit rate : 192 Kbps
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Channel positions : L R
Sampling rate : 48 KHz

Menu #0
ID : 48 (0x30)
MenuID : 3 (0x3)
Codec : MPEG-2V / AC3
List : 49 (0x31) (MPEG-2V) / 52 (0x34) (AC3)

Menu #1
ID : 64 (0x40)
MenuID : 4 (0x4)
Codec : MPEG-2V / AC3
List : 65 (0x41) (MPEG-2V) / 68 (0x44) (AC3)




Canon HV20:

General #0
ID : FF
Complete name : T:\temp\24pTest_30p.m2t
Format : MPEG-2 Transport
Format/Family : MPEG-2
File size : 194 MiB

Video #0
ID : 2064 (0x810)
MenuID : 100 (0x64)
Codec : MPEG-2 Video
Codec/Family : MPEG-V
Codec profile : Main@High-1440
Codec settings, Matrix : Standard
Bit rate mode : CBR
Bit rate : 25 Mbps
Nominal bit rate : 25 Mbps
Width : 1440 pixels
Height : 1080 pixels
Display Aspect ratio : 16/9
Frame rate : 29.970 fps
Chroma : 4:2:0
Interlacement : Top Field First

Audio #0
ID : 2068 (0x814)
MenuID : 100 (0x64)
Codec : MPEG-1 Audio layer 2
Bit rate mode : CBR
Bit rate : 384 Kbps
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Sampling rate : 48 KHz
Resolution : 16 bits
Video0 delay : -188ms
Writing library : Xing (new)

So I guess you'll now be fine with pretty much all files over lan, but your cam stuff will need to be on local drives (internal/USB).....given your previous situation, I'd say that's a huge improvement.....have you tried your 1080p MKV''s/TS etc?....should also now be fine.

K

The lim200 is one electronic device IMO I was fortunate to not have purchased. How is the HTPC working out? If someone does not make a decent NMP soon I may have to give that a 2nd try.


Still trying to decide if a HTPC is worth the hassle!!!, I'm hoping they'll (anyone) will get a media player right that is perfect in my eyes....but I reckon that I will have to wait another year or so.....

For now, my Lim will do just fine..oh, hang on...come on guys....fire sale on Lim's!!!!...they're crap!!!....put them on Ebay with a reasonable sale price, of, oh say, $100!...PLEASE (still looking for a 2nd unit for the bedroom!)...lol...:D:D:D:D

K

K,
May be you misunderstood me. I don't remember what you are referring to my previous situation here... you mean my wireless? My wireless can play pretty much the same way as the lan over powerline device, at least for the short time I tested it. The files that encounters problem via wireless is the same exact files that cause problem thru powerline. My guess would be: audio encounter is MPEG1 instead of AC3? Otherwise, everything else in the Commercial video is more demanding than my Cam ones: e.g. Higher Video bitrate, larger frame size...

Thanks,
PC

K,
May be you misunderstood me. I don't remember what you are referring to my previous situation here... you mean my wireless? My wireless can play pretty much the same way as the lan over powerline device, at least for the short time I tested it. The files that encounters problem via wireless is the same exact files that cause problem thru powerline. My guess would be: audio encounter is MPEG1 instead of AC3? Otherwise, everything else in the Commercial video is more demanding than my Cam ones: e.g. Higher Video bitrate, larger frame size...

Thanks,
PC

MMmm...missed that....try running it through tsmuxer...

http://www.smlabs.net/tsMuxer/tsMuxeR_1.7.2(b).zip

See if that helps...

K

Hello! Everyone! If you have any problems with your lim, we are glad to answer you. If we can not answer you in time on the Forum, welcome to email us gendvd2000@yahoo.com we are always together with you. And we apologize for not replaying you in time on the forum recently.
Jackie

How about FW update?

Perry

How about FW update?

Perry

):):):D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D
Your joking...... Right?

Can't I just hope, at least? One on hand, I am awefully disappointed with Tomacro, one the other, I understand what they are thinking/facing the reality.

Perry

Can't I just hope, at least? One on hand, I am awefully disappointed with Tomacro, one the other, I understand what they are thinking/facing the reality.

Perry

Surely the new firmware will be out this month, please wait patiently. Thanks!
Jackie

There you go Perry.
Wish granted!
;)

Has anyone managed to get the Tomacro working with Tvix's Netshare program, if so how?

Surely the new firmware will be out this month, please wait patiently. Thanks!
Jackie

hi,

i hope that was not a delayed april-fool joke - anyway - all us frustrated lim 200i owner will have to wait (patiently - lol) till end of april and then probably a few days/weeks longer to see if the new fw brings any advancements or just adds more problems ...

cheers - ahab666

Has anyone managed to get the Tomacro working with Tvix's Netshare program, if so how?

what's the point of it ? usng a 10/100 Mbit connection to copy/move big HD files - be prepaired to calculate 6-8 times longer transfer times compared to USB2.

:-/ .... ahab666

The reason I'll stick with my Lim for the moment is a simple one - I don’t think any of the new players will deliver what everyone is looking for; I reckon it will take a few more generations. To clarify what I mean - my Lim plays back the files I want great.

But, before I part with any cash for a new media player, it must have/be able to do the following:

- Gigabit lan
- USB port that can recognise a USB hub (at the back of the unit please...not on the F&^%$$% front!)
- USB Slave
- NAS compatibility
- HDMI 1.3
- Internal Hard drive
- A decent remote! (backlight touchcreen would be a nice option)
- Displays covers & text - without having to be a programmer (is it that hard to create a folder for a movie/music, name it, drop it a txt file and a jpeg, and the player to just show the picture and txt??!)....possibility of adding an IMDB URL?
- MP3 playlists - point and click at various files and it creates a playlist that you can save to the hard drive
- Resume playback after power off (holds in memory last 5 files played and their position on poweroff- dvd players can do it!)
- Alloy body (same as lim so no fan needed)
- Looks like an A/V component that would look good in your rack!
- Plays all the usual video and audio codecs/containers – with FF/RW
- MKV playback supported by hardware, not just software
- Lastly - open source f/w, once it’s stable
- Oh, and while I am at it - an inbuilt dvd drive that can read cdr + dvd-+r & DL!

I also understand the licencing issues with on-board DTS decoding...so passthrough over tos/coax/hdmi is fine.

anyway, enough of my ranting!

Phew, feel better now after getting that off my chest!...lol :D.....err hang on....have I just built a HTPC?....bugger!!!

K

i'd like to add some features that u missed ;-) ...

an E-Sata (sata 300) connector that is hot-swappable and multi port enabled - would be cool to have one that is able to handle L-shaped as well as the the symmetric esata plugs.

multiple samba servers/shares with username/pwd per share
multiple nfs servers/shares with better security
real upnp/dlna features - i can see my media servers but cannot use them :(

and yeah i think its a htpc we all want built in a neat standalone box :)

cheers - ahab666

what's the point of it ? usng a 10/100 Mbit connection to copy/move big HD files - be prepaired to calculate 6-8 times longer transfer times compared to USB2.

:-/ .... ahab666

Exacty where in my post does it say I want to copy/move big HD files to the lim. I wish to use it to play files over a network.:confused:

Exacty where in my post does it say I want to copy/move big HD files to the lim. I wish to use it to play files over a network.:confused:

sorry thought the netshare proggie was ment to access the hdd in the player ...
so netshare is some kind of media server ?

cheers - ahab666

Netshare allows me to connect my Tvix 6500 to my pc (which is in another room) and play file directly from it (networking). My problem is I also have a Lim which I cant get to connect to Tvix's netshare.

I tried to update my firmware after i experienced problems with the soundtrack on some mkv-files.. the update finished successfully, it auto-rebooted but after that i was unable to start it again :/. Only the Power-symbol is light up on the display. any ideas of how to fix this?

I tried to update my firmware after i experienced problems with the soundtrack on some mkv-files.. the update finished successfully, it auto-rebooted but after that i was unable to start it again :/. Only the Power-symbol is light up on the display. any ideas of how to fix this?
did you try to disconnet the power plug?

did you try to disconnet the power plug?

Yeah i did, but still the same story :(.
I tried to push and hold the "OK" button while pressing the power-button.. the display lights up for about 10minutes then it dies again :/. Any ideas?

Yeah i did, but still the same story :(.
I tried to push and hold the "OK" button while pressing the power-button.. the display lights up for about 10minutes then it dies again :/. Any ideas?


Remove your hard drive, connect it to your pc, erase the new f/w off the drive, and then copy to the hard drive the f/w that you upgraded from, then reconnect to the Lim and go thru the rescue procedure.

K

I tried to update my firmware after i experienced problems with the soundtrack on some mkv-files.. the update finished successfully, it auto-rebooted but after that i was unable to start it again :/. Only the Power-symbol is light up on the display. any ideas of how to fix this?
Hello!
The concrete restore steps should be: press and hold the OK button and do not loosen , then turn the power on, loosened OK button after all the VFD lights turn bright, then wait for 20-30 minutes, after all VFD lights extinguished, turn off the power. And restart the machine,and it will be normal.
Note: you must have the documents to restore the firmware (625 later version)within built-in hard drive, and you need confirm that firmware document include: bak.bin, update.bin, boot.bin, userpref.bin four documents, the name of the document is update (which is spelled in lowercase).

The proper procedure is...

- Make the products less easy to fail
- Make it work properly
- Create 1 single upgrade file and not 3-4

That would help avoit this kind of frustration...

Enjoy

Hello!
The concrete restore steps should be: press and hold the OK button and do not loosen , then turn the power on, loosened OK button after all the VFD lights turn bright, then wait for 20-30 minutes, after all VFD lights extinguished, turn off the power. And restart the machine,and it will be normal.
Note: you must have the documents to restore the firmware (625 later version)within built-in hard drive, and you need confirm that firmware document include: bak.bin, update.bin, boot.bin, userpref.bin four documents, the name of the document is update (which is spelled in lowercase).

Thanks for the instructions. Can't this be done with a USB storage device?

No... It must be in the root of the internal hard drive for all I know...
(Maybe works from USB Stick but I doubt it... Easy to find out by trying...

Thanks for the instructions. Can't this be done with a USB storage device?

Yes you can update the firmware via usb I have done this myself.

Hello! Everyone! Here is a good news! Tomacro’s limhd310s which is based on 8635 chip is coming into the market. It is estimated that the price is still the same with limhd200i.The limhd310s follow the mold design of limhd210s and have more new functions such as:
Seamless Connection play with subsection video
Vector interface and subtitles
Dts analog output
More compatible video format
More compatible video formats encapsulated from MKV format

Here is a picture
http://www.gendvd.com/images/2008416193124588.jpg

"Here's a picture" and then there's nothing... Even a post they can't do right...
I wonder how much better it will be with the lack in updates and finesse shown so far...

http://www.pjtime.com/2008/4/83461346.shtml (picture)

Here's an intelligent question for you...
It's not a surprise the "chip" supports more, but will the player support it too in the firmware? :-)

Challenge yourself and let's have a sample over here so we can "see" how good it is as your words have been
prooven worthless in this thread over and over and over again with your commercially tinted love for Tomacro
(your wallet and your share in the company) more than enough...

I challenge you...
Show us what you're made off Mr. sales agent...

(i'll hold of spitting critics on Tomacro until I seen the player but my expectations are extremely low...)

Good news for who?

Maybe we should just inform about the player. That's a more decent thing to do...

- Can we add multiple SMB sources?
- Can we add multiple NFS sources?
- Is the firmware still in 4 different parts or reworked to a single file?
- Is it HDMI 1.3 or HDMI 1.x (not 3)?
- If 1.3, will it support TrueHD pass-through (be carefull, trick questions as SDK Sigma not yet supports this)
- Will it have better music and picture support?
- Most important... will it be decently supported unlike the Lim200 series?

Thank you for the (real none commercial) infos...
That is what we could appreciate more...

Enjoy

New model looks sweet....:) Wait a minute, looks like a Tvix.....:):)

Surely the new firmware will be out this month, please wait patiently. Thanks!
Jackie

weeeeeeeha just another 11 days :cool:

cheers - ahab666

I can't see relevant differences with the lim200 menues, it it just a "case replacement"?

I can't see relevant differences with the lim200 menues, it it just a "case replacement"?

Hello! Everyone! Here is a good news! Tomacro’s limhd310s which is based on 8635 chip is coming into the market. It is estimated that the price is still the same with limhd200i.The limhd310s follow the mold design of limhd210s and have more new functions such as:
Seamless Connection play with subsection video
Vector interface and subtitles
Dts analog output
More compatible video format
More compatible video formats encapsulated from MKV format

Here is a picture
http://www.gendvd.com/images/2008416193124588.jpg

Maybe we should just inform about the player. That's a more decent thing to do...

- Can we add multiple SMB sources?
- Can we add multiple NFS sources?
- Is the firmware still in 4 different parts or reworked to a single file?
- Is it HDMI 1.3 or HDMI 1.x (not 3)?
- If 1.3, will it support TrueHD pass-through (be carefull, trick questions as SDK Sigma not yet supports this)
- Will it have better music and picture support?
- Most important... will it be decently supported unlike the Lim200 series?

Thank you for the (real none commercial) infos...
That is what we could appreciate more...

Enjoy

New model looks sweet....:) Wait a minute, looks like a Tvix.....:):)

good news would have been :

1. tomacro will still support/develop (correct & enhance) firmware for the lim200i 210s
2. a trade in option or rebate for frustrated lim200/210 owners both models never nearly worked as they were advertised...

advertisement should have been like 1=ONE (open=non secured) samba connection and 1=ONE non secure NFS connection, other flaws we will correct as fast as possible ...

3. more technical details for the new one in english please


cheers - ahab666

Well guys, you heard about this before I did....lol

K

Gendvd... No picture of the 310? Even after correcting you still posted image of 210 but it is the same design and remote... I'm really scared now if the unit will actually support something else than the older units... (will the only difference be the chip and memory or not?)

Do offer some more in depth information if you can...
( and contact me on the sample if you accept the challenge :-) )

The limhd310s follow the mold design of limhd210s

this is what gendvd writes and i think it will be the same grap as the old ones but same firmware cant work because on 863x there is an full linux and they have todo it new but they will easy take the sigma libs so they dont have to programm hahaha

cHarOn

Gendvd... No picture of the 310? Even after correcting you still posted image of 210 but it is the same design and remote... I'm really scared now if the unit will actually support something else than the older units... (will the only difference be the chip and memory or not?)

Do offer some more in depth information if you can...
( and contact me on the sample if you accept the challenge :-) )

I mean the appearence of the 310 is the same with 210

I figured that out...
Charon... Even with the changes in SMP8635/35 using full linux, the same code can still be compiled for the units so I don't expect deep changes in firmware layout and abilities. It will mainly be the same as the LimHD200i, just a tidy bit faster... (more brands struggle with adding "new" stuff over the old)

As with all units, consider the latest chips an upgrade like a PC becoming faster...
Not so much of becoming "more capable" in features and such...

I figured that out...
Charon... Even with the changes in SMP8635/35 using full linux, the same code can still be compiled for the units so I don't expect deep changes in firmware layout and abilities. It will mainly be the same as the LimHD200i, just a tidy bit faster... (more brands struggle with adding "new" stuff over the old)

As with all units, consider the latest chips an upgrade like a PC becoming faster...
Not so much of becoming "more capable" in features and such...

yes you are right :) but not all stuff can be easily recompiled so maybe the new device has less function hahaha no only joking :)

cHarOn

Can it have less functions? :-)

Hey guys, I found a way to reconfigure my limHD200i so that it no longer crashes. It remembers its settings perfectly now and even operates wirelessly! It no longer has trouble playing any of my media files, either.

http://192.67.78.42/tmp/limhd_at_work.jpg

It took me a while to realize that I was using this product incorrectly. Here I was patiently waiting for firmware updates, sorting out SMB and NFS issues etc. when all along, I just had a fundamental misunderstanding of the product's ideal application.

If any of you are into boating, I can think of another application in which the limHD would perform very well.

Hey guys, I found a way to reconfigure my limHD200i so that it no longer crashes. It remembers its settings perfectly now and even operates wirelessly! It no longer has trouble playing any of my media files, either.

http://192.67.78.42/tmp/limhd_at_work.jpg

It took me a while to realize that I was using this product incorrectly. Here I was patiently waiting for firmware updates, sorting out SMB and NFS issues etc. when all along, I just had a fundamental misunderstanding of the product's ideal application.

If any of you are into boating, I can think of another application in which the limHD would perform very well.
Most excellent! Hey I hear they are making a 210 and 310 door stop as well! or is that boat anchor....probably would not be a good boat anchor because there may be something toxic inside the box!

Hey guys, I found a way to reconfigure my limHD200i so that it no longer crashes. It remembers its settings perfectly now and even operates wirelessly! It no longer has trouble playing any of my media files, either.

It took me a while to realize that I was using this product incorrectly. Here I was patiently waiting for firmware updates, sorting out SMB and NFS issues etc. when all along, I just had a fundamental misunderstanding of the product's ideal application.

If any of you are into boating, I can think of another application in which the limHD would perform very well.


LOL:D

Damn... i made the wrong review on it...
Funny :-)

Ok, asking vendors to send me doors now for test and review...

Hey guys, I found a way to reconfigure my limHD200i so that it no longer crashes. It remembers its settings perfectly now and even operates wirelessly! It no longer has trouble playing any of my media files, either.

It took me a while to realize that I was using this product incorrectly. Here I was patiently waiting for firmware updates, sorting out SMB and NFS issues etc. when all along, I just had a fundamental misunderstanding of the product's ideal application.

If any of you are into boating, I can think of another application in which the limHD would perform very well.


Ok, it works with doors, but can it help to block windows too ?

Ok, it works with doors, but can it help to block windows too ?

hmm maybe we should make an feature request i have problems to get it working on my windows maybe it´s me or i made something wrong? should it work does anyone tried it out sucessfully???
:D:D:D

hmm maybe we should make an feature request i have problems to get it working on my windows maybe it´s me or i made something wrong? should it work does anyone tried it out sucessfully???
:D:D:D

hehehe - you probably have to wait patiently for the next firmware update ... if tomacro does not update try to get a new firmware release for your window ;)
:D:D:D:D

damit i wanna get my window fixed maybe i should give novatron an try :(

I was about to break a window with the limHD when my wife suggested the door idea.

Surely the new firmware will be out this month, please wait patiently. Thanks!
Jackie

Hi Jackie

Do you know what will be changed in the new firmware ??


Regards

5 more days, right Jackie!? I hope you keep your promise.

Perry

Jackie has no influence on the releases and just forwards info from Tomacro to the forums spiced with his driven envie to sell sell sell... spicing up stuff before it reaches us. Anyway... if a release is due will be beta most likely just to keep the date and then pave further for months before reaching final again.

If it will contain several improvements it would be great but protect yourself from expecting too much... Time does teach it's a bad thing with many brands... but Tomacro somehow is the best in that department...

damit i wanna get my window fixed maybe i should give novatron an try :(

windows?

it works just with VISTA, XP users must limit the use with DOORS :D;)

5 more days, right Jackie!? I hope you keep your promise.

Perry

LOL - and it's 2 other days now ...... i am really courious and exited .....

ahab666

Jackie, for some of us here, we are still hoping you will keep your words. Perry

We all hope he keeps his word... but hope if he does, the firmware has actually changed this time too

We got a latest news from Tomacro engineers, we still need to wait for some time for the new firmware, I am afraid the new firmware will be out after the 310s coming into the market. Sorry about that.

Oh my God... This is really bad for poor Lim customers who been waiting and following your posts all over... Can you at least tell them why they have to wait this long? What firmware should we expect on the 310? The same old buggy limited version as on the current lims migrated to SMP863x platform?

What is being added?
What is being fixed?
How much delay this time?

Info, info, info, info, info.... (Anyone care to translate "info" in "craponese" for them?)

Can you at least tell them why they have to wait this long?
To sell new 310s instead of secondhand 200i from disgusted customers.

That would surprise me seriously... as the messages so far point out that the 310 will hold the same FW ported to the new platform which would mean it will work as bad as the lim200 series itself... No sain person will put money on that...

On the other hand, maybe Tomacro has had the "click" in the mean time seeing the community does not remain patient forever and goes in against the brand if not delivering which could mean they have extra resources on firmware development and are changing a lot around for the better...

Based on history, I would still play safe and not expect too much until proper info is available or we actually can see what's going on... I don't know how Tomacro will straighten out the mess and mistrust they created with their consumers but time is running out for them to prove they can actually handle it...

For all I care, they should stay in Asia and remain there... unless... they can deliver to EU standards and open up for some true communications instead of this puppet model with gendvd who makes loads of posts but never actually says anything...... SOunds familiar with the products... Should do a lot but actually doesn't do all that much after all...

Enjoy

Check out what is possible (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHahN-an1jE) just with end-user customization (no firmware changes) on the Networked Media Tank platform (Popcorn Hour, ISTAR HD, etc.) (This isn't my video... see the full thread about this movie UI template here (http://www.networkedmediatank.com/viewtopic.php?t=3187)). I had hoped that Tomacro would be able to come up with something at least remotely approaching this kind of UI, but that seems awfully unlikely at this point. I've picked up an ISTAR unit, and though it has a few quirks of its own, it is a huge improvement over the limHD.

NMT is HTML based interface allowing this kind of stuff but Tomacro is not. It does not prevent them from offering such interface though as also TVIX has it (Icon Browsing) and community developers provide tools to make things easy...

NMT firmware products is deffinately a top list product today (Istar, eGreat, HDX, PoPCorn)
with the abilities to create custom plugins which is what you see partially in the video provided above...

LIM = Limited Inferior Media

I can’t believe I spent the money on this useless brick

Shame it's all gone this way, they did have potential. I get no reponse from Jackie to emails....

K

Not even you? wow... that amazes me as the only good relation that ever existed between AVS and Tomacro actually was you (and not gendvd). That kind of breaks the only thing there was now as well...

I guess we'll have to move on and leave them for what they are then...

Not even you? wow... that amazes me as the only good relation that ever existed between AVS and Tomacro actually was you (and not gendvd). That kind of breaks the only thing there was now as well...

I guess we'll have to move on and leave them for what they are then...

Yeap....guess so. It's a real shame, because the more competing suppliers in this space can only be good for us consumers - a case in point was the mad scramble by all the players to implement MKV playback.

Mark - you bought the Istar (I think) what are the real benefits over the Lim?

Cheers

K

Hope you don't mind me answering...

- 5 SMB or NFS sources (a mix, but max 5 in total)
- Online functions and featurs (including ability creating your own)
- HTML based browsing enhancements (As Mark pointed out avove)
- Max performance SMB and NFS (dvd iso and the like nit stuttter anymore at all)
- Torrent download functions with scheduler
- Smb access to internal HDD (new Tomacro will have this too most likely)
- Far superior support for standard files beside HD
- Smaller form factor and only half the price of the LIM (initial pricing)
- eSATA support (external)
- Add Ons like decoding card and external Drive powerd by the ISTAR
- Regular firmware updates (almost every month with Syabas)
- Open approach to forums directly for info and support

Here's the latest change list for the NMT for example:
Syabas has distributed a new generic release (for testing on generic models only by beta testers so no this cannot be installed on your popcorn, istar, hdx or eGreat units). This is posted for indicative purposes only so you know what to expect in an upcoming release for your players...

Firmware release notes:
1. Requires NMT apps 00-15-080424-14-POP-402
2. Fixed Browser no longer runs after long idle
3. Turn off analog video output when in HDMI
4. Browser fixes
- fixed myiHomeLite hangs when certain filename listed
- improved memory clearing, reduce time from 390ms to few
milliseconds
- fixed bug where links with #xxx does not work when page is with
OnLoad
- added image changing and on-the-fly loading feature
- added menu frames for file operation UI
- fixed problem changing TV mode when URL prompt is turned on
- fixed focus/unfocus not working when browser frame does not
start at (0,0) location
- all page loading and refresh request disabled when screensaver
is on.
5. Subtitle
- increased subtitle font size to 32 max, swiched to cleaner
method
- subitle time adjust now from -1000sec to +1000sec
- fixed subtitle no aligned to center under certain conditions
- fixed subtitle On/Off not persistent when in playlist
6. Added VC1 in MKV support (no TimeSeek for this yet)
7. Fixed MKV audio sync latency after TimeSeek
8. Able to set system password to None now, just leave it blank
9. Added OSD message when USB keyboard inserted/removed
10. Fixed 1-bit PNG rendering
11. Fixed after photo rotation failed, slideshow paused
12. BT
- recover schedule database after system reboot
- added reset schedule function
- fixed sometimes unable to delete BT schedule
13. Fixed aspect ratio issue for 4:3 TV mode (16:9 TV mode not
affected)
14. WiFi driver
- Atheros USB 11n driver added (only non-secure mode)
- known issue: auto-scan does not work yet, need to connect
manually
15. UPnP
- Marquee tweaks and color customisation
- fixed for TVersity playback issue
- improved crash handling
16. Network share
- Share out removable storage (e.g. USB drives) through SMB/NFS
server
- Reset UDN when restore factory settings
- Removes all network shares after restore factory settings
17. Turn off SPDIF out when exit playback
18. Fixed character 'j' wrong horizontal position when rendering
19. Fixed login page wrong SD/HD server icon
20. Skinnability for browser UI
- Internal test only, will be beta/public after further mods
- added customisable color for fonts
21. Splashscreen flickering issue from 080424 fixed
22. Included traditional Chinese in language selection
23. Added TV Mode 1360x768 60Hz

NMT apps release notes:
1. Minimum firmware version to use this NMT App is
01-15-080424-14-POP-402-000
2. Share out USB / HARD DISK through SMB / NFS server
3. Blank password supported for FTP and SMB server
4. Support SATA drive with NMT partition
5. Fix ********** schedule can't be deleted bug

I guess, it kind of blows Tomacro away but it goes without saying Tomacro tried to operate as they believe is best for the brand and consumers, but just failed both ways...

Enjoy

I emailed Jacki in 3 different ways with the same message, absolutely no response. Originally, I thought to call Tomarcro myself since I am a Chinese to see if they are at any shape savageable. I am beginning to think not... Very Disappointed!

Perry

Shame it's all gone this way, they did have potential. I get no reponse from Jackie to emails....

K

Hello! Kevin! Which email do you refer to ?I should say sorry if I had not replyed to your email, maybe sometimes not in time. But I am very glad to get your email and replay to it. Welcome to email us.
Best wishes!
Jackie

I emailed Jacki in 3 different ways with the same message, absolutely no response. Originally, I thought to call Tomarcro myself since I am a Chinese to see if they are at any shape savageable. I am beginning to think not... Very Disappointed!

Perry

Hello! Perry! I am terribly sorry for the delay to reply to you in time because of the May Day.Please check your email box for my reply. Thank you!
Best regards,
Jackie

Hello! Perry! I am terribly sorry for the delay to reply to you in time because of the May Day.Please check your email box for my reply. Thank you!
Best regards,
Jackie

Jackie, May Day is a kind of SOS?

Jackie, May Day is a kind of SOS?

May Day is a bank holiday, it means most businesses are closed :)

May Day is a bank holiday, it means most businesses are closed :)

hi, in Italy is Labour day.

but I meant when a pilot is in danger with his plane usually says "...May Day, May Day..." at the radio :D

hi folks

if you watch Tomacros upgraded site you'll find that every device gets its own firmware download page and that the firmware of the 310s seems to be a different one.

that gives me the willies because that indicates to me (and my pessimistic view of the world) that there are NO intentions for any firmware improvements / development for the older models firmware !!!

if you read the brief overview for the new model all the most critical missing features from the 200i and the 210s are not mentioned as solved or what i suggest are still existing like :

number of smb servers / security for smb (still ONLY one unsecured ?)
number of nfs servers / security for nfs (still ONLY one unsecured ?)
still no Internet connectivity for U-Tube and all the others ...
fast for wind and rewind issues solved
non permanent save of brightness, contrast and saturation bug
distance and opening angles (h/v) for the remote
still only 10/100 lan (okay that is mentioned)
a.s.o., a.s.f.

i am looking for applications for my lim 200i other than playing video/audio/stills or an oversized outdoor paper wight or as allready impressively shown door stopper.

some brainstorm ideas : nut cracker, potato masher, mass-insect slayer for slow non flying ones like ants/bugs ......

cheers - ahab666

p.s. i am still looking for a mm streamer system that has all the features that are technically possible at present and not being a media center pc.

p.s. i am still looking for a mm streamer system that has all the features that are technically possible at present and not being a media center pc.

then maybe take an look on popcornhour, istar, egreat, ............ because there are the possibilitys :)

then maybe take an look on popcornhour, istar, egreat, ............ because there are the possibilitys :)

thx for the brands - i all ready checked them out - any of them promises a better over all experience then the Tomacro crap. the istar seems to be the most advanced one atm .

i think there will be a mostly vidoe free summer phase for me, except fo the occasional outdoor cinema visits. i will re-start investigating in late summer / autumn to prepare for the unpleasant winter season ....

hi, in Italy is Labour day.

but I meant when a pilot is in danger with his plane usually says "...May Day, May Day..." at the radio :D

hehe - in most west european countries its the oxymoronic Labor Day - where everyone celebrates labor by avoiding it :)

thx for the brands - i all ready checked them out - any of them promises a better over all experience then the Tomacro crap. the istar seems to be the most advanced one atm .

i think there will be a mostly vidoe free summer phase for me, except fo the occasional outdoor cinema visits. i will re-start investigating in late summer / autumn to prepare for the unpleasant winter season ....

also good decission then you can wait maybe for 865x devices :) or just the newer devices with usb slave hdmi 1.3 sata and other things :)

ISTAR already has HDMI 1.3 and eGreat already has USB slave :-) Now we need one that combines both and allow the data partition (not the NMT partition) to be NTFS...

A beter hardware player that allows full shutdown and power up by remote would be nice too. As for Lim, which new site? www.Tomacro.com is the official site and it still looks 100% the same as 2 years ago...

Oh well...
We'll see... who cares about the websites if there's as much to see as on the players...

he means the gendvd.com website

May Day is a bank holiday, it means most businesses are closed :)

Thank for your kind explanation.

he means the gendvd.com website

nah - the English part of www.tomacro.com ....

ISTAR already has HDMI 1.3 and eGreat already has USB slave :-) Now we need one that combines both and allow the data partition (not the NMT partition) to be NTFS...

A beter hardware player that allows full shutdown and power up by remote would be nice too. As for Lim, which new site? www.Tomacro.com is the official site and it still looks 100% the same as 2 years ago...

Oh well...
We'll see... who cares about the websites if there's as much to see as on the players...

yeah sad but true ....

the very first page is still the same and as the Chinese language is far to advanced for us stupid Europeans (sorry at least for me) i choose the english one - now one can choose to download the firmware updates for each device separately - i guess the link for the 200i and the 210s points still to the same file ...

i am still patiently waiting for a firmware update for the old models (old - what a laugh) the 210s was introduced to us in february - or was it march ?

- User-manul and subtitles display in vector font ???? Can we display the manual in the LCD or something? :-)
- Creates an unprecedented home theater experience (right...)
- Amazing gapless video playback TOMACRO first realized (wrong, there are many having this already in the signage line Gapless playback is not that important for everage home user + it means you somehow preloading the next file while the current one still plays on an already limited buffer... could work against the player just as easily as be an advantage with high bitrate files)

GenDVD, a few questions that will make us review or ignore the product...
Plese do respond if you're interested into turning our opinion around...

- Can the display be used to browse / play music without TV?
- Can we add more than 1 SMB or NFS source (Any auto detection of shares like browsing the network instead of entering firm shared folders? It's feedback from 1.5 years ago so "surely" Tomacro kept this into consideration... :-)
- Are you using 256 or 512MB memory.

How about my sample?
Are you ignoring me? :-)

Enjoy

Are you ignoring me? :-)

lol i think you dont help him to sell more devices :) so wrong words from you hahaha
but i think we also should ignore that tommacro playshit :)

hi guys i was wondering if you guys have a problem with some of your MKV files not being sync with audio and video and lagging?

Tomacro itself was contacted this morning and they will provide one.

hi guys i was wondering if you guys have a problem with some of your MKV files not being sync with audio and video and lagging?


I have no sync issues...could you post a sample?

K

Tomacro itself was contacted this morning and they will provide one.

You picked a heck of a day to pester them about this...

Tomacro itself was contacted this morning and they will provide one.

well good for us - in terms of avoiding big disappointments , bad for you cause you need to do all the testing "work".

btw did u ask them if they plan to support their older (roflol) models by creating/updating firmwares ?

How so... not sure what you mean :-)
Ahab666.... i don't mind. It's what we do all the time...

hey guys,
i've a problem with my lim since i've updrade the system (bad idea i know...)
But the problem could probably coming from the hdd too...

The problem :

During the play of a movie, in the middle of the file,there is a freeze of the movie and it's no more possible to continue the movie...i have to switch off the lim and restart the movie...WHICH CUT AND FREEZE EXACTLY AT THE SAME TIME ewactly like a corrupted file...

Meanwhile,it could be the hdd because the same file on an usb device works perfectly as well...

Solution : replace the hdd??

Try a disk check on a PC first attaching the device over USB. Also deleting the file and recopy the file could help if it is corrupted during the transfer... That should solve the issue likely if it is HDD or file related...

After some tests and check ups, i've decided to do a defragmentation of my hdd, and it was a wrong idea... my limhd doesn't recognize the hdd anymore.

i would like to change it, what's the caracteristics of the lim's hdd?

anyone's hace ever changed the lim's hdd??

any diffculties?

On that site ( materiel.net/ctl/Disques_durs_internes_IDE/ ) which hdd fits on the lim?

Thanks to everybody

Hey, hows it going all :)

Hey, hows it going all :)

Hi Lundman....how are u....

K

he is busy with popcornhour :) and make great tools and apps for it :)

Lurking a bit sure... keeping myself busy, been playing around with the sigma devkits, but not sure what I should spend my time working on :)

Anyone try this new device out yet? Looks very promising and cheaper than a similarly configured HTPC ($315 CDN). Only question is, does it work?

xxx.hantech.ca/product/product_detail.asp?cateid=00020003

(replace xxx with www)

Hi lundman, pleased to see you back. We hope you find time to build tools like pch :)
Tomacro seems to have forgotten us.

Anyone try this new device out yet? Looks very promising and cheaper than a similarly configured HTPC ($315 CDN). Only question is, does it work?

xxx.hantech.ca/product/product_detail.asp?cateid=00020003

(replace xxx with www)

it looks nice, but the reason of its cheap price is that the chip used is the OLD SIGMA 8623 :(

Anyone try this new device out yet? Looks very promising and cheaper than a similarly configured HTPC ($315 CDN). Only question is, does it work?

xxx.hantech.ca/product/product_detail.asp?cateid=00020003

(replace xxx with www)

Same as IAMM (is an oem device) based on EM8623...
I have it on my desk for review for early next month now...

LCD is really cool, interface is somehwta less but better than tomacro but not file tests yet... Unit looks ok (plastic), weird remote (buttons used several times and such causing wild labelling a bit)....

Enjoy

effixe & others: I still have my Tomacro, and I will do the alternate firmwares when a new one comes out. But it really is limited what the 862x chip can do, and not a lot of memory to play with. (Not even an MMU, so swap is not doable). And doing things like 5 smb or nfs mount would be easy, if you have the source to curacao, without the source is it ridiculously difficult.

So, that is why I spend more of my time fiddling with 863x. I've been tempted to try for my own gui, since I think executing "mono" to play files is a poor model (sure, development is fast, and cheap) But that's a big task for just me, and my free time :) So for now I'm just adding features to "llink".

After some tests and check ups, i've decided to do a defragmentation of my hdd, and it was a wrong idea... my limhd doesn't recognize the hdd anymore.

i would like to change it, what's the caracteristics of the lim's hdd?

anyone's hace ever changed the lim's hdd??

any diffculties?

On that site ( materiel.net/ctl/Disques_durs_internes_IDE/ ) which hdd fits on the lim?

Thanks to everybody



Hello! The if the same file on an usb device works perfectly as well on PC, generally it is not the problem of hdd, you’d better check the rate of the media file.
The characteristics of the lim’ hdd: 3.5-inch, maximum support capacity of sata interface is 1 tb.
Jackie

effixe & others: I still have my Tomacro, and I will do the alternate firmwares when a new one comes out. But it really is limited what the 862x chip can do, and not a lot of memory to play with. (Not even an MMU, so swap is not doable). And doing things like 5 smb or nfs mount would be easy, if you have the source to curacao, without the source is it ridiculously difficult.

So, that is why I spend more of my time fiddling with 863x. I've been tempted to try for my own gui, since I think executing "mono" to play files is a poor model (sure, development is fast, and cheap) But that's a big task for just me, and my free time :) So for now I'm just adding features to "llink".

Sounds great... You'll be having fun with the new version then as is is SMP863x based. I hope they send you a unit for the modifications that improves it? That's how it should be.

Enjoy

Most of my SMP863x play is on PCH.. but yes, I do have a devboard as well, and I have answered a few questions from Tomacro, so hopefully they can use what I already did.

I'm quite interested in Dune at the moment, mostly for the alternate firmware, and audio outputs, but I suspect even that their GUI is just executing "mono".

If it was just a matter of doing software, it'd be fun to do my own player :)

any news?

Hi,
only one question; will there ever come any new firmware for the limhd200/210s?

Any news on firmware updates Jackie?

Also does anyone know if there is a way to get the LIM to de-interlace xvid? I have a number of Simpsons episodes in xvid format and they suffer from interlace issues on my LCD TV. Is this because LCD TV's are like monitors rather than TV's?

Cheers,
Richard.

Any news on firmware updates Jackie?

Also does anyone know if there is a way to get the LIM to de-interlace xvid? I have a number of Simpsons episodes in xvid format and they suffer from interlace issues on my LCD TV. Is this because LCD TV's are like monitors rather than TV's?

Cheers,
Richard.

Hello! Now we also have no news of the new firmware. The xvid video format is not supported at present, but we suggest that you can use some video format conversion software to convert xvid to the format which 200 i supports.
Best wishes,
Jackie

Hello! Now we also have no news of the new firmware.

really happy to know it............

Hello! Now we also have no news of the new firmware. The xvid video format is not supported at present, but we suggest that you can use some video format conversion software to convert xvid to the format which 200 i supports.
Best wishes,
Jackie

Thanks for the reply Jackie. However the LimHD200i manual on page 4 states that xvid is supported :



2.3.2 Digital Media formats Supported

1. Video Formats
High Definition
* MPEG2-HD ----------------------- .mpg, .tp, .ts,.avi
* WMV-HD/VC-1 ------------------ .wmv, ts, .avi
* H.264(Mpeg4-AVC) ------------- .mov, .m2ts, .ts, .avi
* Mpeg4: DivX-HD, Xvid-HD --- .avi
Standard Definition
* MPEG-1/2/4 ---------------------- .mpg, .mpeg, .mp4,. m4p,. m2t,. m2p,. m1v,
.m2v, .m4v, .trp, .dat
* MPEG2: DVD ------------------- .ISO, .VOB
* MPEG4: DivXTM & XviD ------ .avi
* WMV ------------------------------ .wmv, .wmv9, .asf


So is there a way of enabling de-interlacing on videos on the LIM?

Cheers,
Richard.

I can't remember having seen a post about this one on the thread so I though I'd take a shot and see if anyone's met the same problem.

I'm using my lim diskless and accessing all the files over NFS from a linux fileserver. I seem to be hitting a problem whenever the lim browses through a directory which contains more than 30(ish) things listed. Once I've browsed through a big directory the lim freezes at the 'loading' screen whenever I try to play something... and the only way to restart it is to walk across the room for a power-cycle.

It's not a problem with the files themselves.. they all play properly... except when I've looked through a directory with lots of files/subdirs. I suspect the lim might be using it's limited memory up with directory listings and finding that it doesn't have enough free when it tries to play the files.

Does anyone else get the same problem? Does using Samba fix this one? It's annoying the hell out of me lately.

Oh.. and of course... will it be fixed in the next firmware ? ;)

Cheers,

Fecn

I can't remember having seen a post about this one on the thread so I though I'd take a shot and see if anyone's met the same problem.

I'm using my lim diskless and accessing all the files over NFS from a linux fileserver. I seem to be hitting a problem whenever the lim browses through a directory which contains more than 30(ish) things listed. Once I've browsed through a big directory the lim freezes at the 'loading' screen whenever I try to play something... and the only way to restart it is to walk across the room for a power-cycle.

It's not a problem with the files themselves.. they all play properly... except when I've looked through a directory with lots of files/subdirs. I suspect the lim might be using it's limited memory up with directory listings and finding that it doesn't have enough free when it tries to play the files.

Does anyone else get the same problem? Does using Samba fix this one? It's annoying the hell out of me lately.

Oh.. and of course... will it be fixed in the next firmware ? ;)

Cheers,

Fecn

Hello! But we have not had the problems you mentioned above when we use nfs server under windows ,so you may refer to http://www.gendvd.com/ to see How to set up NFS streaming to the limHD200i.
Jackie

Ok I have another problem. When I have my PC attached to the USB port of the LIM the video output to HDMI turns off. If I unplug the USB cable the display comes back on.

I want to have my PC permanently connected via USB to the LIM, so how can I get the HDMI output to work when the USB is connected?

Cheers,
Richard.

I don't think you can do that- when the PC USB connection is detected, the limHD switches to a USB slave mode. (Of course on my unit, the USB slave mode has never worked on ANY of my computers. I always get an error about the USB device malfunctioning.)

yes, when connected to a PC the lim behaves just as an esternal HDD unit

I still don't see why the video output should need to be turned off though.

Hello! But we have not had the problems you mentioned above when we use nfs server under windows ,so you may refer to http://www.gendvd.com/ to see How to set up NFS streaming to the limHD200i.
Jackie

Thanks Jackie, but NFS on windows is no solution for me - My windows machine lives in the office and gets switched off when I go home at night.

I still don't see why the video output should need to be turned off though.

It's not just the video output that gets switched off - It's everything... When you plug in the usb cable, the Lim switches off all the clever bits and just acts as a dumb USB hard disk.

It's not just the video output that gets switched off - It's everything... When you plug in the usb cable, the Lim switches off all the clever bits and just acts as a dumb USB hard disk.

Well it doesn't turn off all clever bits as the software is still running fine in the background because if you remove the USB cable the display comes instantly back on and the software is still up and running where you leave it. Surely this is just some action taken in the firmware to simply turn off video output when usb is attached and if this is the case then surely this behavior can be changed?

The reason why this is annoying for me is that I have a 15M USB cable (using active repeaters built in the cable) to connect my computer in one room to the LIM in my bedroom. I can then copy things without having to keep disconnecting and moving it to the room with the computer. The problem is that I have to remove the USB cable from the PC otherwise the LIM will have no TV output. Removing the USB cable from behind the computer all the time is a real pain and is going to put wear an tear on my USB port.

The only other way around this would be to have a USB adapter or cable with an on/off switch but I can't find one anywhere. The only place I have found is here but it is discontinued :

http://www.welovemacs.com/usbpoonsw.html

and I'm not handy enough to make my own :(

Cheers,
Richard.

Thats one long Chinese Festival!! Any news on the firmware release promised after the festive?

Thxs.

Thats one long Chinese Festival!! Any news on the firmware release promised after the festive?

Thxs.After the festive is forever. I would bet my Lim Doorstop that there will never be another firmware release. Tomacro and associates took the money and ran (so far). I as well as others have a long memory.

It is really ashamed. Just teach us a lesson to not buy any Tomacro product.

Perry

It is really ashamed. Just teach us a lesson to not buy any Tomacro product.

Perry


The new 310 will be out soon, so I would expect/hope a new f/w for the 200/210 after that (jackie?)

K

sure....and do you believe Santa yet?

looks like the new 310 is out http://www.tomacro.com/english/

How much does this sell for? Better yet do they have a step-up program for us lim200i owners??

They also have a english forum site now: http://www.tomacro.com/english/Forum/default.asp

OK posted question. Be warned some website errors happened when I registered, a few refreshes/reboots and the lim .. umm website appeared working again.

looks like the new 310 is out http://www.tomacro.com/english/

How much does this sell for? Better yet do they have a step-up program for us lim200i owners??I wouldn't spend a dime on any Tomacro product (MO). The only way you could get a 310 in my home is if they sent it to me for free.

Very smart to open their own forum. Questions they don't like can be moderated:)

Je n'acheterait jamais plus un produit Tomacro.
Vue le manque de soutient et de fW promis depuis longtemps pour le 200i.
Excusez du terme: un vrai MERDE

Je n'acheterait jamais plus un produit Tomacro.
Vue le manque de soutient et de fW promis depuis longtemps pour le 200i.
Excusez du terme: un vrai MERDEHad to use a translator, but I agree completely.

i also agree

I wouldn't spend a dime on any Tomacro product (MO). The only way you could get a 310 in my home is if they sent it to me for free.
I will just keep piling on....I do not think I would take anything from Tomacro even if it were free and shipped to my house free....unless I needed a door stop!

Add me to the list, I also would not purchase. I really like the quote "un vrai MERDE"

oh, we can write the list in each language!
on my hand I can say "veramente una MERDA" :D

maybe Tomacro will add it to their satisfied customers page in their web page

OK posted question.

LOL - Looks like the same old spiel over at their forums - I'll paraphrase - 'we do not have to work on it - we already have your money - too bad...'

We appologize for having not updated the FW of limHD200i and limHD210s recently. We now need to focuse the full attention of our R&D on the development of our new 8635 product. Please kindly understand.

LOL - Looks like the same old spiel over at their forums - I'll paraphrase - 'we do not have to work on it - we already have your money - too bad...'
I kindly understand that it was a big mistake to buy the limhd because they never made the firmware the way it should be. If they'd done it could have been a good product, but now a lot of their own customers are very negative about their products. I think getting the first lim working smooth should be top-priority if they want to regain (some of )their reputation. If they do that I'm sure the new 300 or whatever its called will sell quite a lot better...

I kindly understand that it was a big mistake to buy the limhd because they never made the firmware the way it should be. If they'd done it could have been a good product, but now a lot of their own customers are very negative about their products. I think getting the first lim working smooth should be top-priority if they want to regain (some of )their reputation. If they do that I'm sure the new 300 or whatever its called will sell quite a lot better...

Exactly. Couldn't have said it better. And with the competition offering similar products with better support the last thing they want to do is annoy their customer base from the word go. I just hope they pull their finger out and fix and improve the 200i as soon as the 300s is pushed out as they promised.

Which are similar products from competition that are better?

you can take what you want everything is better ;) tvix 4100, 5100, 6500 or 7000
or you can go with one of the nmt players Popcornhour A100, Istar, Egreat, ........
so mayn options and everything is better then that bulls*** company which does nothing for there customers and if you look to there forums then omg i cant believe it such words from an Mod makes me angry! Its an shame isnt it? the last Firmware is from 17. December 2007 really nice!


SOURCE: http://www.tomacro.com/english/Forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=16
We appologize for having not updated the FW of limHD200i and limHD210s recently. We now need to focuse the full attention of our R&D on the development of our new 8635 product. Please kindly understand.

The NMT-based players work so much better and are cheaper, too. I'll bet the chances of Tomacro ever looking at the 200i/210s firmware again are pretty slim.

Council friend, do not buy the product tomacro!

looks like the new 310 is out http://www.tomacro.com/english/

How much does this sell for? Better yet do they have a step-up program for us lim200i owners??

yeah from a door - stopper to a ??? :cool: :confused: :(

the silence from that end is embarassing.

I tried several times to send them emails but I did not get a reply back!

Any Tomacro guy here? do you solve the questions mentioned above? I hope you guys have done it, I neeeeeeed order your 320. contact me!

I'm glad more people see now what we stated long time ago when we saw the Tomacro for the first time. Back then it was "we was biased" in favor of DViCo because of our hush reports on how bad the Tomacro was... I wonder what these same people who back then claimed Tomacro is promising and not bad at all, causing many people to make the purchase on wild promises and no actions at all, are saying today (It would interest me omly if these were to be excuses for personal attacks towards me for stating the truth about Tomacro which conflicted with their perfect dreams)... Probably nothing but lame responses like "i like it... it works fine for me"... are the only things that can be spoken by them to save a little dignity...

Hate to say it but many could have listened better and looked at the truth... It all started around page 72 of this thread where we got fed up with the commercial posts of gendvd, unfunded positive reports and over the top positive reactions from several corners (who often turned out to be the resellers themselves launching these).

Anyway... Tomacro can change... won't happen for the limHD200i though...
We requested a sample of the new unit which will be sent for review in august. Make the math... It is already sold today, so it is OK for sales but not ok for reviews yet... It means they are not confident themselves to have "big voices" ( i mean people with a large reach towards consumers and resellers) of the scene review the product... It's one way of making a statement about the product...

Waiting is the best thing right now until one of the lead sites reviewed it...

Salut Hi-Jack,

Toujour le meme dilemme.
Que faut-il acheter? Tvix, IstarHD, DuneHD, LimHD etc. etc.. ???

Tu ma dejai demander en PM. Tu p[eux copier le text dan cette post si tu veux mais je ecrire plus encore une fois en francais. kles forum est anglais... (et mon francais en ecrire est pas si bien)....

waldenlima

You can order from DATOptic.com
$299.00 + free instruction / Software to convert M2TS to MKV...

Keep in mind, the only product they are working on to improved is SMP8635

But it plays m2ts directly; why the need to convert to MKV?

no connection with www.tomacro.com

I sent back my Lim 200i being fed up with it

I got my TviX 6500A and i've been playing with it.I cannot believe ... what a huge difference !

I also cannot believe that people still ask for any Tomacro products
It is ridiculous.A company that doesn't stand behind its promises shouldn't be allowed to promote/sell anything and misleading customers is a serious offense.

That being said i just want people to know that there are so many alternatives way better than Tomacro

Popcorn and TvIX seem to be the major players in this league

Popcorn is cheaper (doesn't mean bad :D ) if you're on a tight budget and it has an amazing community that made that device to fly and cook pancakes :)

The only reason why i didn't get one is the lack of the USB

I am quite satisfied with my 6500A

Good luck and open your eyes before opening your wallet ! :)

I sent back my Lim 200i being fed up with it

I got my TviX 6500A and i've been playing with it.I cannot believe ... what a huge difference !

I also cannot believe that people still ask for any Tomacro products
It is ridiculous.A company that doesn't stand behind its promises shouldn't be allowed to promote/sell anything and misleading customers is a serious offense.

That being said i just want people to know that there are so many alternatives way better than Tomacro

Popcorn and TvIX seem to be the major players in this league

Popcorn is cheaper (doesn't mean bad :D ) if you're on a tight budget and it has an amazing community that made that device to fly and cook pancakes :)

The only reason why i didn't get one is the lack of the USB

I am quite satisfied with my 6500A

Good luck and open your eyes before opening your wallet ! :)

hi,

what dealer was fair enough to take that lim200-s*it back and how long was it after you bought it ?

did you have an exchange option for the tivx 6500A

i read some funny ideas of how to use that heavy piece of shame and added some others myself ....

i solved my lim problem with a HTPC solution (still looking for the optimal media center/player but j-river seems to be the best choice atm) and will stick to that one till there is a (me) satisfying solution around - the newer TivX and some NMT players are nearly there ....

what i still miss :

1. GB Lan support - not so much for the streaming then for the data transfer
2. 1 or 2 multiport enabled sata/esata connectors usb2 is def not my choice
3. secure (username/pwd) multi (unlimited) smb and nfs connections.
4. an RF remote control or better textpad rather then IR for many reasons
5. a good backlit RC with letters big enough for not needing a spyglass :cool:
6. playback 4 all, not only the mainstream Audio and Video and Medi-ISO formats
7. a galvanic on/off switch to protect the unit against lightning

a.s.o., a.s.f. - i remember the X-BOX(1) media center and still get nostalgic feelings - the AV drivers were modularly exchangeable - no firmware updates necessary if you wanted to add or remove any driver modules .....

may be the splitting of the firmware (hardware,gui a.s.o.) and the codecs into 2 different logical units would make things simpler ....

cheers - ahab666

***

Anyway... Tomacro can change... won't happen for the limHD200i though...
We requested a sample of the new unit which will be sent for review in august. Make the math... It is already sold today, so it is OK for sales but not ok for reviews yet... It means they are not confident themselves to have "big voices" ( i mean people with a large reach towards consumers and resellers) of the scene review the product... It's one way of making a statement about the product...

Waiting is the best thing right now until one of the lead sites reviewed it...

hi HI-Jack,

after i started to read yours and others statements around here i gladly found 'your' site (mpc club) and really enjoyed your and your partners profound reviews.

i hope it is not to bold to ask you to name some of the other 'lead sites' that do serious and objective reviews on Audio Video and all that jazz besides your 'own' one.

and i want to add something - the past behaviour of tomacro and the involved resellers(not all of them) / advertisers makes me believe that

!!! Tomacro will not/never change at all !!!

call it pessimism or even cynicism but Tomacro (as well as other south east asian entrepreneurs) was/is not more that a mirage/hype/soap-bubble - creating a gizmo, advertise and marketing it with lies, half truths and misleading promises/informations, sell it half brewed as is and then creating the next one without thinking about the older ones.

respect for your efforts and engagement

cheers - ahab666

I don't mind naming other sites, i just don't know any as I never read about players before we get the job done and after that we have no time to read it anyway... I could mention www.cdfreaks.com but they iuse our reviews :-) Practically the same...

There are some Yahoo groups that are very mentionable efforts (TeddyStacker) and more like Toms Hardware...

I don't believe they will chance, but they can. We seen some brands turn around totally... It never helped the older customers though... so... we have to be at least open for change if they do...

As I said, it already starts wrong if they sell but not send samples for review. That means they doubt their own products maturity and level... enough said :-)

Hi,

I did not find it in eBay. Where can I buy it Online (ship to Brazil).

Any help will be wellcome.

Thanks

Antonio Souza

hi,

what dealer was fair enough to take that lim200-s*it back and how long was it after you bought it ?

did you have an exchange option for the tivx 6500A

i read some funny ideas of how to use that heavy piece of shame and added some others myself ....
....
cheers - ahab666


Hi sorry for the delay but here is the answer

The company i bought it from is :
http://www.onlybestrated.com/multimedia-centers-high-definition-media-centers-c-24_39.html

They are in Canada Ontario.They have 15 days warranty or money back.
Minus the shipping fees of course


I didn't take long for me to figure out that something was wrong
Weird behaviour : device not responding, FF not working, no sound sometimes....etc
Checked the forums, seen that they didn't release any fw updates for some time, tons of complaints so i made up my mind after 4 days.
It was definitely something i wanted to get rid of.

HTPC wasn't an option as i wanted something light and compact so...
i went for TvIX

The problem is not really with device itself. It was not worse than any other at that time. The real problem (not sure why you guys afraid to recognize it) is with attitude toward customers and vendors. If customer suffered a single box issue, vendor usually had it tens or hundreds times more. Business attitude sucks at Tomacro, but device is just outcome of this business attitude. There are much better companies that disappeared in the past (remember I-O Data?) I don't think any special punishment action from the clients is needed. So far the upper management of Tomacro (if one exists) completely missed idea of business in western world. I see similar attitude from other Chinese companies as well ("grab and run") May be it's a cultural difference we don't understand? I am glad at least people do not blame obr from this piece of junk.

OBR

Besides Tomacro, there is some more advanced networked HDD media player compliant with 1080P,H.264 from manufacturers in Shenzhen, China

The problem is not really with device itself. It was not worse than any other at that time. The real problem (not sure why you guys afraid to recognize it) is with attitude toward customers and vendors. If customer suffered a single box issue, vendor usually had it tens or hundreds times more. Business attitude sucks at Tomacro, but device is just outcome of this business attitude. There are much better companies that disappeared in the past (remember I-O Data?) I don't think any special punishment action from the clients is needed. So far the upper management of Tomacro (if one exists) completely missed idea of business in western world. I see similar attitude from other Chinese companies as well ("grab and run") May be it's a cultural difference we don't understand? I am glad at least people do not blame obr from this piece of junk.
OBR

No one should blame OBR indeed or other resellers for that matter, never the
less, they are the ones that add the products and sell the products in their
stores knowing it is not up to par. We did respond long time before you
added the products so you knew our ideas and opinions... Let's be fair,
company is to blame most but in the end resellers carry some responsibility
as well... In fact, every LimHD200i user is perfectly in their rights to seek
a solution. That's the responsibility that comes with adding unfinished
expensive products and sell them...

It's not as easy as blaming business attitude on Tomacro alone. Indirectly
means you not done enough research or tested the product properly to see
if it is worth selling. Lack of updates is not the only thing that showed the
product is not ready and every update prooved they can't make progress
either properly...

The combination of resellers promoting the player (ab)using these forums was
inadmittable, totally unexpected to even be allowed (guess admins have too much
work) and so on... We seen a shameless display of some resellers and people in
this thread hunting after sales no matter what...! That and the combination of
attitude from Tomacro but also resellers, was the combination that failed from
start to finish leading to be people being mislead it was good or could become
anything more than junk... (and I don't mean OBR as I not came accross such posts
from you myself).

In fact, if you believe it is "junk" today while it has not changed over the last
year even with the updates provided to enhance very few things, you just
admitted you add junk to your store! (I'm sorry to put it this way...)

If we had not blocked Tomacro (and caused no one to buy it by people we
reach), we would have already taken such action long time ago...

It's weird how you mention IO-DATA as also they have been blocked by us in Europe
as "unrecommended" brand and so did we block several others in the same range of
doing "selfish" business in the "sell and run" compartment and of some, you would
not expect it until you get surprised after months as a customer... People watching
the scene 24hrs / day are called biased because of making such statements against
brands and used things working on Tomacro better than the competition as cheap excuses
to make a poinr... I guess many seen now we was not biased but helpfull in our
attempts to warn them...

Does not change other products are imperfect too and a lot sometimes, but
they do a lot better than others... It's all about "acceptable and unacceptable"
labels fitted to the players...

I hope Tomacro learns from this experience... We seen brands come back...
and we need some "differences" in a market lead by NMT's and TVIX'es only but it
takes a brand standing behind their products and willing to invest what it takes
and some just can't do that, but it's worse when they not even "try" properly...

And OBR... let's be real... It was "worse" than the others from the start!!
The only thing it had a little lead in was MKV... It wasn't worse than others just does
not fly here... It could not do half the things others could but just because it did MKV a
bit better, many of you jumped to conclusions way too fast...

http://www.mpcclub.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=292

I guess we supposed to be in defensive mode while I do not feel guilty :)
Not quite sure this belongs to the forum, but believe some mechanics and facts below could be fascinating to some users/customers.
OBR had in total 2 shipments of Tomacro (20 pcs each shipment) to "try" the market. First shipment disappeared within 2 weeks. Second took us almost 6 months. We did have huge internal debates after first shipment whether we should continue, but [fact you do not wish to acknowledge or ignore] _market_ dictates demand and resellers are just servants of you, the customer. More interesting facts. Tomacro was first and only company that agreed to provide spare parts (comparing to PH or Dvico that was huge advantage, since turn around of repairs was very quick) Also, the first shipment had about half of the units repaired this way or another (boards, plastics, front panel, top panel), while in second shipment we pressed Tomacro to test units and "only" 3 units were repaired from the second shipment. So far Tomacro was the most controversial product in our history and second shipment, despite low physical defect level, was sold by us at huge loss (check our eBay listing for as low as $60)
Hi-Jack, you see world as black and white, but it is not. And, of course, I do not defend wicked resellers who continued advertising and pushing product after reading all reviews from you and others. I do not blame market for demand either :)
Notice that few of my posts (check the history, please!) were about explaining how to make this device work or workarounds comparing to constant complains this does not work or that does not work or promises that it will be fixed in future (in fact, month after second shipment it became clear to us it will never be fixed, despite direct promise of Tomacro)
This is the bitter salad in our internal kitchen :) Will this prevent us from selling similar stuff in future? So far we were lucky to sell only the best products (since name of the company - only best rated) based on customers reviews, but ... does happen :)

Keep your good work on reviewing new products and together we can filter out products and companies that do not deserve to exist.

obr


No one should blame OBR indeed or other resellers for that matter, never the
less, they are the ones that add the products and sell the products in their
stores knowing it is not up to par. We did respond long time before you
added the products so you knew our ideas and opinions... Let's be fair,
company is to blame most but in the end resellers carry some responsibility
as well... In fact, every LimHD200i user is perfectly in their rights to seek
a solution. That's the responsibility that comes with adding unfinished
expensive products and sell them...
[read previous message for the full quote]
[/url]

Well OBR, i think of you as one of the few with a decent mindset... As I said before, OBR
is not to blame but a reseller can be expected to know and filter the products out... I
know it is difficult as reviewer A states this and reviewer B states otherwise etc...

Like you "only best rated" slogarn, we have "teaming 4 Entertainment" which means we stand as a block behind products we believe in or stand against them if we don't and it's up to the manufacturars to convince us and not just by promises... That and handling a "standard criteria" for products what they must be capable of before we even start the proces ensures manufacturars will return in preparing the products before going to market instead of afterwards as it is reality if the players don't sell enough, they won't invest and leaves behind customers...

It goes without saying NMT's and TvIX, Ziova and others have numerous issues at the start too, but not in the same amount than Tomacro... Like I said, it's all about labels... acceptable or inacceptable...

Anyway...
Let's hope they make progress... I'm sure they can... everyone can...

Well obr as a consumer you as a reseller do not have a teflon coat and cannot sherk off all responsibility as your above post seems to try to do. Any reseller as well as manufacturer will suffer from lack of consumer confidence by selling "junk". Consumers will feel ripped off. Resellers should know what they are selling and the "but I just sell it....." cop-out doesnt cut these days. I get burned by a company (reseller or manufacturer) and they lose me as a customer for life-plain and simple.

BTW: I did not buy a Tarmco, but have been ripped off several times by CE companies-the names io-data, linksys, dlink, roku come to mind)

I think if you got that impression, it's wrong. Let's move into positive move and here are few very specific suggestions that could increase your confidence and "punish" both - reseller and, indirectly, manufacturer:
- RESEARCH the product you buy. I believe most people do. MPC and these forums are good place to start. There are tons of others (e.g. CNet, ZDNet etc.) which likely paid by manufacturers (or so it seems when you read them - they are almost always neutral-like even when put some critics)
- VERIFY RETURN POLICY. Specifically, check if a company you are buying from allows 5-15-30 days returns for the products without restocking fee (more days is better) More and more companies do allow returns, so even you bought what you think is a junk, you can return it without loss to your pocket
- VERIFY ONLINE STORE. Read what others say about the store. There are numerous forums discussion various resellers and there are specialized sites comparing and rating resellers and online stores
- REMEMBER YOU ARE UNIQUE customer. What's write or wrong for you is not necessary right or wrong for another customers. I think this is the major point of confusion. For instance, if you don't use ethernet streaming and this functionality buggy in a particular device you buy, do you really care if everything else works perfectly? If everything works perfectly, but device is noisy while you are noise control freak, would you buy such device?
We all different (though looks like we unified in dislike of limHD200i :) )

There simple steps above will help to increase your online shopping confidence. There are many stores with "grab and run" policy just like many manufacturers.

Best regards,

obr

Well obr as a consumer you as a reseller do not have a teflon coat and cannot sherk off all responsibility as your above post seems to try to do. Any reseller as well as manufacturer will suffer from lack of consumer confidence by selling "junk". Consumers will feel ripped off. Resellers should know what they are selling and the "but I just sell it....." cop-out doesnt cut these days. I get burned by a company (reseller or manufacturer) and they lose me as a customer for life-plain and simple.

BTW: I did not buy a Tarmco, but have been ripped off several times by CE companies-the names io-data, linksys, dlink, roku come to mind)

Experts,
I am going to ask for the last time before I totally given up on Lim on this topic, is there a way to implement such a play list? Please help if you know. thanks.

Sincerely,
Perry