How does this do with a Nero digital file. The basic points of interest generally are chapter points, selection of multiple audio streams and selection/playback of subtitles.

Shark

How does this do with a Nero digital file. The basic points of interest generally are chapter points, selection of multiple audio streams and selection/playback of subtitles.

Shark

I have not tried a nero digital file....if you post, or PM me with a link, I'll test and report back..

K

I have checked many more things than you believe I do as far as codecs go, and if you want to have attitude, then "conversion" is not the right word to use : since BD/HD DVD is a format, by using the word "conversion", you're implying MKV can conserve the features of the format, which it can't, as it is only a container.

And since you know it all, compare apples with apples, and talk H264 bitrate and resolution, not MKV.


Alright, truce.... :rolleyes:

K

Alright, truce.... :rolleyes:

K

Yeah. I thought so... Too bad you have to be sarcastic with your smiley when you actually couldn't reply to my counter-attacks since you had no ground to stand on. Like I told you, your attitude was uncalled for, so be a man and admit it.

Kevin, thank you for your great contribution to this thread.
Some time ago you said that .EVO support is on the radar. Did you test .EVO playback with the most recent firmware?

What is the best software to use to convert to MPEG2 TS?

You can get the M-4100SH for $379 or so....how is this thing cheaper (I am talking US)?

I haven't seen anything even close to $379 for the limHD200i.

Quote from MPCCLUB (http://www.mpcclub.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=305)


TViX 1st with "prooven" .mkv support!

Although we can't offer the ability to you right now, the latest beta tests have added VC-1 to the list of formats supported. some glitches have been detected and reported to Dvico to iron out before the release is entered into public beta which is expected to happen in less than 14 days. It is very good news, however not the best news to tell as DViCo also is Alpha testing mkv support and already succeeded in playing mkv files. In less than 7 days a version with mkv should arrive at MPC so we can help iron out issues which usually is the case when major changes have been made. All in all, I guess I was right once again that if anyone would come up with mkv the first, it would be DViCo... at least it's the first we could actually proove to run mkv files without stating it's a mature solution...



Now before the questions start rising, this is very early news to leak in this stage and there is no info on when there might be a public version but it's good to know that the first tests with mkv files ran ok according to the reports of our "secret" down under mkv team. Actually, we made a wager who would be first to proove support for it, DviCo or Tomacro and I won 125 bucks :-)

A Tip for the loosers: Never bet against the FrEaK :-)


Anyway, don't start running around like chickens now searching and asking for info as it will only slow down the process of getting it out eventually... We hope it will be ready for public beta somewhere end of August but that's a personal estimate and nothing is officially communicated from DViCo... And for those running to stores now because hearing mkv will be supported, don't do it until it's there and working in a mature way... You can however buy one for any of the other reasons including it's newly added support for VC-1 to be available in less than 14 days...

PS: mkv playback is currently not featuring trick play, selection of audio or subtitles in the early alpha stage hence the reason we don't want to create too much happyness because the development road is long...

Enjoy
Hi-Jack

Posted on Saturday, August 04 @ 20:10:00 CEST by Hi-Jack

:) :rolleyes: :cool: :p ;) :D :confused: :o :eek: :(

Quote from MPCCLUB (http://www.mpcclub.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=305)


TViX 1st with "prooven" .mkv support!

Although we can't offer the ability to you right now, the latest beta tests have added VC-1 to the list of formats supported. some glitches have been detected and reported to Dvico to iron out before the release is entered into public beta which is expected to happen in less than 14 days. It is very good news, however not the best news to tell as DViCo also is Alpha testing mkv support and already succeeded in playing mkv files. In less than 7 days a version with mkv should arrive at MPC so we can help iron out issues which usually is the case when major changes have been made. All in all, I guess I was right once again that if anyone would come up with mkv the first, it would be DViCo... at least it's the first we could actually proove to run mkv files without stating it's a mature solution...



Now before the questions start rising, this is very early news to leak in this stage and there is no info on when there might be a public version but it's good to know that the first tests with mkv files ran ok according to the reports of our "secret" down under mkv team. Actually, we made a wager who would be first to proove support for it, DviCo or Tomacro and I won 125 bucks :-)

A Tip for the loosers: Never bet against the FrEaK :-)


Anyway, don't start running around like chickens now searching and asking for info as it will only slow down the process of getting it out eventually... We hope it will be ready for public beta somewhere end of August but that's a personal estimate and nothing is officially communicated from DViCo... And for those running to stores now because hearing mkv will be supported, don't do it until it's there and working in a mature way... You can however buy one for any of the other reasons including it's newly added support for VC-1 to be available in less than 14 days...

PS: mkv playback is currently not featuring trick play, selection of audio or subtitles in the early alpha stage hence the reason we don't want to create too much happyness because the development road is long...

Enjoy
Hi-Jack

Posted on Saturday, August 04 @ 20:10:00 CEST by Hi-Jack

:) :rolleyes: :cool: :p ;) :D :confused: :o :eek: :(

Well, interesting. That's good news. However, the LimHD has supported VC-1 for ages now, and the only issue with MKV in the new Alpha cut is a slight sync issue.

But after saying that, if Divco are going to add MKV support, then cool for Tvix owners.

K

Kevin, thank you for your great contribution to this thread.
Some time ago you said that .EVO support is on the radar. Did you test .EVO playback with the most recent firmware?

At the mo I don't have any .EVO test files - can someone PM me or post a link?

Cheers

K

Quote Another Article From MPCCLUB(http://www.mpcclub.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=307)

Tomacro 1st with public mkv!

Well well, only 48 hours after we announced we had proog DviCo succeeded in adding mkv playback on the EM8622 players M-4100SH and M-5100SH, Tomacro now has released a new firmware adding support for .mkv as well, together with one of the major features missing previously, ISO DVD support. This turns the Tomacro in a more attractive device for the use of High Definition files in VC-1 and .mkv and time will tell if the options are mature enough to withstand the competition. No changes have been made on other parts as yet but time is ticking and more releases will be provided over time.



This firmware release is a BETA2 version and is meant for testing purposes only, yet available in public so owners can start enjoying mkv, and not for general usage. Users should wait for the complete firmware which will be released soon. Information on the full release however is scarse and which options will be in the final release is unknown.

Discuss: http://www.mpcclub.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=13049
www.tomacro.com

Posted on Monday, August 06 @ 07:30:00 CEST by Hi-Jack

:rolleyes: :o :eek:

only 48 hours after !!!???!!!

Damned! blind speech with opening eyes, pls see time stamp clearly!

Here ya go.....beta now available to all.......please bear in mind my comments tho...

http://www.tomacro.com/english/Download.htm

K

Unfortunately AFAIK there is no way currently to preserve VC1 in its original form and mux it with AC3 audio (in an MKV container for example), which is one of the reasons (the other being size...) why those "internet guys" are re-encoding the VC1 releases in highly compressed H264 and very often in 720p instead of the original 1080p (in order to limit file size).

The guys on Doom9 are hard at work trying to mux VC1 and AC3, but most of their focus has been on H264 and DD+ muxing...
That's not correct. VC1 can be muxed into MKV perfectly fine, together with DD+ or AC3 or DTS or FLAC or PCM or [...]. And it has been working for ages (many months). The only thing that cannot be muxed into MKV right now is TrueHD. Not sure about DTS Master Audio.

Anyone else running MKV test's?

K

Tomacro wins that contest as they have it public available. I mistakes the DVD Navigation as it seems it's only supported over connected USB drive (not tested yet from HDD) but I like the update so far but expect issues with commercial DVD's (CSS supported by Tomacro?)

Nice work.

>(bin files in root and choose updates from menu fails. Working on it...)

You need to make a folder in the root of the drive named 'update' and place the new file inside that folder for the curacao binary to locate them.

but if you are in the US it loses completely on price

when the price of the limHD200i comes down to match the 4100 (or even beat it) then maybe it is a viable option (at least for those in the US)

Thx, just figured it out. I tried "Update" as in the manual after the root didn't work but I
guess lower case is needed ... as you say "update" instead of "Update"... Updating now,
then will run some of my carefully stored mkv files a've been longing for to see...

Tomacro wins that contest as they have it public available. I mistakes the DVD Navigation as it seems it's only supported over connected USB drive (not tested yet from HDD) but I like the update so far but expect issues with commercial DVD's (CSS supported by Tomacro?)

Nice work.

DVD-ifo also works prefect over NFS too..

K

Thx, just figured it out. I tried "Update" as in the manual after the root didn't work but I
guess lower case is needed ... as you say "update" instead of "Update"... Updating now,
then will run some of my carefully stored mkv files a've been longing for to see...

Bear in mind that this is a beta and works with 720p MKV with H.264 AC3/DTS and Mpeg2 AC3/DTS. As I have reported, the beta needs a tweak to read the MKV timecodes correctly, as the current beta has sync issues.

K

When I play an .IFO file it plays fine the first time, but if I stop it and play it again it now plays in zoomed mode.

It's almost as if the remote stop button is toggling the zoom command when stopping the .IFO.

Ok. In that case, the beta doesn't work. I have tested several files and they all fail one way or the other...

- 4 BBC files tested, all 720p using AC3 audio and Mpeg4/ISO/AVC video = FAIL 8 out of 8
- files 720p Mpeg4/ISO/AVC with AAC Audio = PASS 3 out of 9
- files 720p Mpeg4/ISO/AVC with AC3 Audio = Fail 4 out of 4
- files 720p Mepg4/ISO/AVC with Vorbis Audio = Fail 6 out of 6

All samples around 6000 bitrate

Numerous files with these combinations all fail. In fact, out of the 20 files there's only 1
playing with OOS subtitles amongst we see some files Mpeg4/AC3 pass and fail with no
differences. The player locks up very often when loading a file and the display once in a
while turns completely black... (reboot required)

Up to the next beta :-)

There are a lot of interesting strings inside the firmware files. Among other things, I noticed that the unit will try to look in multiple places for the firmware files, including directories /mnt/HD1/update, /mnt/HD5/update and /mnt/USB1/update

So it might be possible to update from a USB flash drive-- easier than disconnecting all the cables and lugging the limHD back over to the computer. I will try it tonight.

Ok. In that case, the beta doesn't work. I have tested several files and they all fail one way or the other...

- 4 BBC files tested, all 720p using AC3 audio and Mpeg4/ISO/AVC video = FAIL 8 out of 8
- files 720p Mpeg4/ISO/AVC with AAC Audio = PASS 3 out of 9
- files 720p Mpeg4/ISO/AVC with AC3 Audio = Fail 4 out of 4
- files 720p Mepg4/ISO/AVC with Vorbis Audio = Fail 6 out of 6

All samples around 6000 bitrate

Numerous files with these combinations all fail. In fact, out of the 20 files there's only 1
playing with OOS subtitles amongst we see some files Mpeg4/AC3 pass and fail with no
differences. The player locks up very often when loading a file and the display once in a
while turns completely black... (reboot required)

Up to the next beta :-)

Can you confirm that your 720p with AC3 are CFR and not VFR?......Most of my MKV's are CFR (H.264 with AC3), these all work but has the sync issue I described. My VFR MKV's, have the problem you describe. This all points (as I have reported) to the LimHd not reading the timestamps correctly (you will see this if you check a file that plays and use the time goto function, It cannot display the time length of the movie).....Tomacro are working on this as we speak.

K

That's not correct. VC1 can be muxed into MKV perfectly fine, together with DD+ or AC3 or DTS or FLAC or PCM or [...]. And it has been working for ages (many months). The only thing that cannot be muxed into MKV right now is TrueHD. Not sure about DTS Master Audio.

So are you able to get the VC1 out of an HD DVD or BR as well as the DD+ and re-package it in an MKV or does that still require demuxing and remuxing stages ? Of course all that is assuming no IME. I know that for delivery over the internet demuxing, re-encoding and remuxing are desired in order to reduce the final file size, however in a local network application where HDD space is not an issue, the fastest way to rip to the HDD and available for streaming is the most desired feature...

Also, is there any hardware supporting DD+ decoding on a chip from a device like the Tomacro ? Does any Sigma chip currently shipping even support DD+ for that matter ?

So are you able to get the VC1 out of an HD DVD or BR as well as the DD+ and re-package it in an MKV
Yes.

or does that still require demuxing and remuxing stages ?
No demuxing involved. However, it's not always as straightforward as you'd like. E.g. most HD DVD discs consist of 2 EVO files. You need to join them first, before you can mux them to MKV. And some Blu-Rays (those with seamless branching) can consist of multiple pieces which need to be joined and post processed before you can mux them to MKV.

Of course all that is assuming no IME.
IME is lost.

I know that for delivery over the internet demuxing, re-encoding and remuxing are desired in order to reduce the final file size, however in a local network application where HDD space is not an issue, the fastest way to rip to the HDD and available for streaming is the most desired feature...
For me neither file size nor "fast ripping" is the most important thing, but optimal image and sound quality is.

Also, is there any hardware supporting DD+ decoding on a chip from a device like the Tomacro ? Does any Sigma chip currently shipping even support DD+ for that matter ?
Not that I knew of. That's why I usually go the extra mile by demuxing the DD+ track and reencoding it to FLAC or high bitrate DTS.

Yes.


No demuxing involved. However, it's not always as straightforward as you'd like. E.g. most HD DVD discs consist of 2 EVO files. You need to join them first, before you can mux them to MKV. And some Blu-Rays (those with seamless branching) can consist of multiple pieces which need to be joined and post processed before you can mux them to MKV.


IME is lost.


For me neither file size nor "fast ripping" is the most important thing, but optimal image and sound quality is.


Not that I knew of. That's why I usually go the extra mile by demuxing the DD+ track and reencoding it to FLAC or high bitrate DTS.

All correct....cheers Madshi

K

I picked up one of these and am pretty happy with it. Funny thing is though, some 720p mkv files converted via mkv2vfr and avimux seem to run ok then the sound drops out for a couple minutes then comes back. Thing is, it doesn't happen at the same point in the file all the time and doesn't matter if it's on hd, over network, or usb dvd. Anybody else have this problem? Wonder if it's a hdmi issue...

Can you confirm that your 720p with AC3 are CFR and not VFR?......Most of my MKV's are CFR (H.264 with AC3), these all work but has the sync issue I described. My VFR MKV's, have the problem you describe. This all points (as I have reported) to the LimHd not reading the timestamps correctly (you will see this if you check a file that plays and use the time goto function, It cannot display the time length of the movie).....Tomacro are working on this as we speak.

K

Yip, this seems to be the issue for the files we do succeed in loading and playing (we already checked timesearche on these files that load but... the ones not loading, is that related to this as well?)

When playing trick (FF/RW) the player immediately returns to the main menu.
A little tuning can do wonders in the next few weeks. :-)

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0803 Firmware trial version major additional function is support of MKV and DVD navigation features.


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Yip, this seems to be the issue for the files we do succeed in loading and playing (we already checked timesearche on these files that load but... the ones not loading, is that related to this as well?)

When playing trick (FF/RW) the player immediately returns to the main menu.
A little tuning can do wonders in the next few weeks. :-)

Yeah, I reackon it's a timecode issue....should be pretty easy to sort..

K

So it might be possible to update from a USB flash drive-- easier than disconnecting all the cables and lugging the limHD back over to the computer. I will try it tonight.

I successfully updated from 1.60Beta1 (070710) to 1.60Beta2 (070803) from a FAT-formatted 2 GB USB flash drive. I just put the files in a root-level update folder and it worked fine.

I saw this note in the release notes for 070707:

After upgrading Build 070707 FW, the upgrading sequence , U disk’s priority > IDE HDD's priority

which I take to mean "In firmware builds 070707 or later, you can upgrade from a USB drive (flash or disk). Update files found on the USB drive will take precedence over update files found on the IDE hard drive."

I successfully updated from 1.60Beta1 (070710) to 1.60Beta2 (070803) from a FAT-formatted 2 GB USB flash drive. I just put the files in a root-level update folder and it worked fine.

I saw this note in the release notes for 1.60Beta1:



which I take to mean "In firmware builds 070707 or later, you can upgrade from a USB drive (flash or disk). Update files found on the USB drive will take precedence over update files found on the IDE hard drive."

Mark, have you tested those interlace test files on the new beta?....I watched a DVD and the picture on SD material looks improved...

K

Ton of HDTV Programs HDD Copy services are available for customers buying limHD200i media player.
http://www.gendvd.com/hdtv_copy.xls

Ehm.. Wouldn't this be illegal?

Mark, have you tested those interlace test files on the new beta?....I watched a DVD and the picture on SD material looks improved...

Just tried the deinterlacing tests on 070803... I'm not seeing any improvement... DVD playback looks the same and the flag deinterlacing test is still jaggy. I think the engineers have been busy with MKV and DVD IFO playback and haven't had time to look at enabling Sigma's motion adaptive deinterlacing feature yet.

Although DVD IFO playback is working, you have to manually find and select the VIDEO_TS.IFO file, subtitles don't seem to be working yet, and the player often crashes and needs a power cycle when I select items from DVD menus.

In 070803, I'm frequently seeing a problem in which pressing STOP zooms the picture before stopping. Then, when I select a subsequent video file, the video starts zoomed in instead of defaulting to showing the whole picture. These two problems may be related.

Each new firmware includes improvements, but there are still many bugs to work out.

Hmm... I've got a more serious problem now... one of the crashes resulted in the black level being set to about 40 IRE on the component output, so black is now grey and the picture is really washed out. Power cycling isn't fixing it, and nothing I can do in the setup menu is fixing it. The black level is correct from power on while the "System loading..." screen is displayed, but goes bad right before the main menu appears. Guess I will try reflashing the firmware tomorrow night.

Hmm... I've got a more serious problem now... one of the crashes resulted in the black level being set to about 40 IRE on the component output, so black is now grey and the picture is really washed out. Power cycling isn't fixing it, and nothing I can do in the setup menu is fixing it. The black level is correct from power on while the "System loading..." screen is displayed, but goes bad right before the main menu appears. Guess I will try reflashing the firmware tomorrow night.

Have you tried pressing the setup button when playing a film?

K

Hmm... I've got a more serious problem now... one of the crashes resulted in the black level being set to about 40 IRE on the component output, so black is now grey and the picture is really washed out. Power cycling isn't fixing it, and nothing I can do in the setup menu is fixing it. The black level is correct from power on while the "System loading..." screen is displayed, but goes bad right before the main menu appears. Guess I will try reflashing the firmware tomorrow night.

Pls check your component cable connection, unstuck connection may result in color error.

Jackie

Looking forward to the next cut of firmware... :D

K

I'm just having audio sync issues with the MKV playback. The IFO works great.

I'm just having audio sync issues with the MKV playback. The IFO works great.

There are one or two minor tweaks needed with the IFO playback and these have been reported to Jackie (problem with aspect ratio when going from a DVD menu to film, then back - the aspect and zoom ratio changes)....but apart from that...works a charm. I don't have a USB DVD drive, so has anyone tested with a commercial dvd from a disc?

MKV's (both VFR and CFR) need a firmware tweak for the LimHD to read the audio and video timecodes correctly.......but, that's not far off :D

K

oldpainless,

Is the firmware update for MKV files capable of displaying subtitles or switching between multiple audio tracks?

Julie

oldpainless,

Is the firmware update for MKV files capable of displaying subtitles or switching between multiple audio tracks?

Julie

Not at the moment....but everything starts with that 1st big step...it now plays MKV, and now Tomacro are working to perfect it, based on all the feedback they are getting.....so it won't take long.

K

Another thing I noticed today with the beta firmware today. All my WMV files won't play with sound... O.o Did this happen to anyone else?

Thanks,
Enrique

oldpainless..
Are you streaming your test files from a network or direct from Tomacro's hard drive?

Cheers...

but if you are in the US it loses completely on price

when the price of the limHD200i comes down to match the 4100 (or even beat it) then maybe it is a viable option (at least for those in the US)
It won't take too long time to realize this .You know as soon as there is a distributor in the US the price will be lower down to a large extent. You know if there is a group buy , the price is also very favorable.

Another thing I noticed today with the beta firmware today. All my WMV files won't play with sound... O.o Did this happen to anyone else?

Thanks,
Enrique

What audio settings are you using?....if i set mine to encode digital and 5.1, output over coax, the LimHD is outputing dd5.1

K

oldpainless..
Are you streaming your test files from a network or direct from Tomacro's hard drive?

Cheers...

All tests are over NFS, USB hard drive and internal hard drive....

K

So, anyone tested a real DVD via a USB DVD drive yet?

K

All tests are over NFS, USB hard drive and internal hard drive....

K

Thanks...
I have a unit on order, so it'll be interesting to see how it performs..

Cheers.

It won't take too long time to realize this .You know as soon as there is a distributor in the US the price will be lower down to a large extent. You know if there is a group buy , the price is also very favorable.

I would be very much interested in either of them because as it goes now the price without a hdd is around 650USD,ship included but before tax and customs on whatever the value is declared, and that makes it hard to justify as an expense together with the lack of practical warranty.

Thanks...
I have a unit on order, so it'll be interesting to see how it performs..

Cheers.

If you have followed this thread...I don't think you'll be disapointed!...great machine with awesome picture quality and high bitrate video format support, and Tomacro are always hard at work on improving the firmware and ironing out bugs/new features etc. And by the sound of it, it was about time there was a new kid on the block....which can only be good for everyone (whatever HD player you own)

Lastly, welcome to the LimHD community.

K

oldpainless68 - i am new to this thread and i know that you are extremely knowledgeable about this gadget. i have 2 quick questions and i will read through the entire thread, but would appreciate it if you could give me an answer too:

1. If i buy this i will be streaming wirelessly from my pc - is it possible to do so, and does it work well?
2. i am very interested in support for iso's - does this device support it?

thanks a ton!!!

oldpainless68 - i am new to this thread and i know that you are extremely knowledgeable about this gadget. i have 2 quick questions and i will read through the entire thread, but would appreciate it if you could give me an answer too:

1. If i buy this i will be streaming wirelessly from my pc - is it possible to do so, and does it work well?
2. i am very interested in support for iso's - does this device support it?

thanks a ton!!!

Sorry, but no wireless (but NFS over LAN works great,,,,,FYI.....check out LAN over the mains supply...works a treat!). ISO is due shortly

K

I haven't had a very good experience lately trying to stream to the limHD over a powerline Ethernet link (using Linksys PLE200 devices). DVD playback is often choppy for titles mastered at >6 Mbps even though the Linksys tool reports the link is connected at 40-50 Mbps (a fraction of the advertised 200 Mbps :() I will probably just put the USB external drives directly on the limHD since running cat5 to this room would be really tough. I've tried adjusting the MTU and NFS server parameters (number of threads, max transfer size, etc.) and didn't see much improvement. It would be interesting to get a shell up on the limHD so we can examine and tune its side of the network link.

Before updating to 070803, I could swear I was playing VOB files and ~14 Mbps m2ts files over the link without much trouble. My link is still connected at the same rate, so I wonder if anything changed on the limHD side?

Based on what I have read in other threads, I would not expect streaming over current wireless technology to work very well for anything above low-bitrate SD material (XviD etc.). (That goes for pretty much any media player, not just this one.)

It won't take too long time to realize this .You know as soon as there is a distributor in the US the price will be lower down to a large extent. You know if there is a group buy , the price is also very favorable.

perhaps we should see if people in the US are interested in a group buy and what the price point would be

...Before updating to 070803, I could swear I was playing VOB files and ~14 Mbps m2ts files over the link without much trouble. My link is still connected at the same rate, so I wonder if anything changed on the limHD side?...

I too couldn't decide whether some things that I deemed to have worked previously had ceased working or not.

The update process is definitely a deterrent against direct comparisons, -given the time it takes-.

Perhaps it would be useful for the LimHD200i to check for the existence of the curacao binary on a USB stick first, and then, if that exists to run that version -instead of the inbuilt from previous FW update-?

I looked at that today but couldn't convince myself that the mounting of the USB 'drive' had been carried out by the time the etc\init.d\ folder is processed -in fact it looks likely that the curacao binary is responsible for the mounting operations too, which is the last item in the '/etc/init.d/S30network' to be ran-.

So, during the testing phase it may be practical to set the '/etc/init.d/S30network' file to try and mount a folder from the USB, if that folder and the curacao binary exists within it, then mount and run than version, if that check fails just go ahead and run the internal version as happens now.

If only the curacao binary changes then it would be a very simple process to test the newer version, with the benefit of being able to pull the USB stick, reboot, and be back to the originally installed FW, thus giving a far more accurate comparative view of the two FW's

I would be very much interested in either of them because as it goes now the price without a hdd is around 650USD,ship included but before tax and customs on whatever the value is declared, and that makes it hard to justify as an expense together with the lack of practical warranty.
Hello!I do not know where you get such high price 650USD. If you order from us www.gendvd.com The total cost including shippping fee is only 527USD. You can also choose to organize a group buy on the forum then we can give you a much lower price. If you have further questions such as price, please email to us gendvd2000yahoo.com. Glad to help you.

perhaps we should see if people in the US are interested in a group buy and what the price point would be
You can have a try to organize a group buy on the forum. There are lots of people interested in our products. We welcome you email us to get further information of our products including the price for group buy.

I haven't had a very good experience lately trying to stream to the limHD over a powerline Ethernet link (using Linksys PLE200 devices). DVD playback is often choppy for titles mastered at >6 Mbps even though the Linksys tool reports the link is connected at 40-50 Mbps (a fraction of the advertised 200 Mbps :() I will probably just put the USB external drives directly on the limHD since running cat5 to this room would be really tough. I've tried adjusting the MTU and NFS server parameters (number of threads, max transfer size, etc.) and didn't see much improvement. It would be interesting to get a shell up on the limHD so we can examine and tune its side of the network link.

Before updating to 070803, I could swear I was playing VOB files and ~14 Mbps m2ts files over the link without much trouble. My link is still connected at the same rate, so I wonder if anything changed on the limHD side?

Based on what I have read in other threads, I would not expect streaming over current wireless technology to work very well for anything above low-bitrate SD material (XviD etc.). (That goes for pretty much any media player, not just this one.)

I'm starting to wonder if there are two cuts of 803 floating around as I'm having no problems with my Homeplug network for HD material or DVD...although my HD stuff over the network is 720p MKV2TS...about 8-10mbps.

K

Hi all.

This is fan from Tomacro
Thanks for all your support to our product limHD200i.
Also we are so grateful for your comments that urge us to make limHD200i perfect.

Regarding customers' complaints about battery in remote control, we should here declare:

Battery has been forbidden by Chinese custom and therefore we have to deliver remote control without battery.

We shall say sorry for the inconvenience.

Looking forward to more comments and we will be always happy to listen.

Another important thing is:
We are going to attend in the China Sourcing Affiari October 12-15 in Hongkong. Customers who are interested in our limHD200i if allowed by your schedule are greatly welcomed.
Booth number: 7K15
Company name: Shenzhen TOMACRO Technology Co., Ltd.

Welcome to China. We will have a happy face-to-face meeting.

Hi all.

This is fan from Tomacro
Thanks for all your support to our product limHD200i.
Also we are so grateful for your comments that urge us to make limHD200i perfect.

Regarding customers' complaints about battery in remote control, we should here declare:

Battery has been forbidden by Chinese custom and therefore we have to deliver remote control without battery.

We shall say sorry for the inconvenience.

Looking forward to more comments and we will be always happy to listen.

Another important thing is:
We are going to attend in the China Sourcing Affiari October 12-15 in Hongkong. Customers who are interested in our limHD200i if allowed by your schedule are greatly welcomed.
Booth number: 7K15
Company name: Shenzhen TOMACRO Technology Co., Ltd.

Welcome to China. We will have a happy face-to-face meeting.

Hi Fan

Any indication on how long it will take for the next cut of firmware?

Kevin

Hi Fan

Any indication on how long it will take for the next cut of firmware?

Kevin

Thanks Kevin.
I need to confirm it with our R&Ds.

keep eyes on. :D :D :D


Regards
Fan
Tomacro Tech.

Thanks Kevin.
I need to confirm it with our R&Ds.

keep eyes on. :D :D :D


Regards
Fan
Tomacro Tech.

Fan

Thanks....Jackie will keep me uptodate.....hope it's not too long... :cool:

K

It won't take too long time to realize this .You know as soon as there is a distributor in the US the price will be lower down to a large extent. You know if there is a group buy , the price is also very favorable.

When will that happen, 1-month, 2-months, or 6-months? Is Tomacro actively seeking a distributor or they are just waiting for someone to volunteer? If will be a long wait if it is the latter.

I am really interested in this product, but I won't put my hands on it until the price drops to around $400. I believe $400 is a good price point for this kind of product.

Hi guys, I considered to buy one myself. Then I searched for media center pc, and found the HP Pavilion Media Center m8120n for about $1000 after rebate. The limhd200i is about $700 with added hard drive and shipping. You get much more for additional $300. You can also get good free software from internet for playing hi def movies including mkv container. What's the advantage/disadvantage of the limhd200i over media center pc? Thanks.

Kevin, if you have the ability to hook up to your projector via component, please see whether you're getting the black level problem on 070803. It's easy to spot because black will become a medium grey and everything will look washed out. The problem went away briefly on my limHD and then came back. I've ruled out cable problems and it definitely seems to be a software issue since the black level goes bad at precisely the same point every time the limHD boots up. It's like some register in the Sigma or output DAC keeps getting restored to a bad value. Not sure whether this problem would be visible over HDMI or not...

It won't take too long time to realize this .You know as soon as there is a distributor in the US the price will be lower down to a large extent. You know if there is a group buy , the price is also very favorable.

For that to happen, there's got to be money made by both retailers and the distributor, distributor who bears the cost of advertisement, eventual legal fees, and all the logistic involved in importing a product that only carries 90 days warranty ;)

For that to happen, there's got to be money made by both retailers and the distributor, distributor who bears the cost of advertisement, eventual legal fees, and all the logistic involved in importing a product that only carries 90 days warranty ;)
I think you have misunderstand our warranty . For l limHD200i , we can replace it for a new one if there are some problems of the machine within 90 days. And you can enjoy one- year warranty. :)

When will that happen, 1-month, 2-months, or 6-months? Is Tomacro actively seeking a distributor or they are just waiting for someone to volunteer? If will be a long wait if it is the latter.

I am really interested in this product, but I won't put my hands on it until the price drops to around $400. I believe $400 is a good price point for this kind of product.
lots of people are interested in being our distributer, so it will not take too long time to have a distributer.

Many people are confused of the different prices of the LimHD200i, for without HD Or With HD or full of downloaded HD movies, so these are the links of them,
http://www.gendvd.com/product.asp?SubCategoryID=36&ProductID=hd-mdse-011
http://www.gendvd.com/product.asp?SubCategoryID=36&ProductID=hd-mdse-010
http://www.gendvd.com/product.asp?SubCategoryID=36&ProductID=hd-mdse-013
If you have any questions please email to us ,gendvd2000yahoo.com we are very glad to help you .

I think you have misunderstand our warranty . For l limHD200i , we can replace it for a new one if there are some problems of the machine within 90 days. And you can enjoy one- year warranty. :)

Which means that to offer 1 year warranty, the distributor bears the cost of shipping back to you once those 90 days are over ?

With the kind of margin you offer to the distributor, I'm not sure how you can expect them to make any money on your product. A distributor spends money to advertise your product, he spends money to support your product vis-a-vis the retailers and customers, he takes the heat in case of legal action, and no retailer will buy from the distributor without at least 15% margin, which, with the margin you give for distribution, leaves nothing... I guess you're talking with stores more than distributors.

For better prices on the limHD200i than Gendvd is offering, DHGate.com quoted $269 each (1-10) or $249 each (11-25) before shipping. Shopkami.com can get them too but quoted $499. I'm not sure why someone would want to become a sub-retailer for Gendvd. Even if the margin could be improved, being directly connected to their blatant piracy in a business relationship seems like a bad idea...

1080p MKV playback is a no go for me. Here are the files I tested...

General #0
Complete name : J:\NewsBin Download\1186720904\300.2006.1080p.bluray.x264.sample-hv.mkv
Format : Matroska
File size : 81.6 MiB
PlayTime : 1mn 4s
Bit rate : 11 Mbps
Encoded date : UTC 2007-07-25 20:29:05
Writing application : mkvmerge v2.0.2 ('You're My Flame') built on Feb 21 2007 23:40:55
Writing library : libebml v0.7.7 + libmatroska v0.8.1

Video #0
Codec : MPEG-4 AVC
Codec/Info : MPEG4 ISO advanced profile
PlayTime : 1mn 4s
Width : 1920 pixels
Height : 800 pixels
Aspect ratio : 2.400
Frame rate : 23.976 fps
Language : English

Audio #0
Codec : AC3
Codec/Info : Dolby AC3
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Sampling rate : 48 KHz
Language : English

Text #0
Codec : UTF-8
Codec/Info : UTF-8 Plain Text
Language : English

General #0
Complete name : J:\NewsBin Download\1186720904\tmnt.2007.1080p.hddvd.x264.sample-hv.mkv
Format : Matroska
File size : 66.3 MiB
PlayTime : 1mn 2s
Bit rate : 8897 Kbps
Encoded date : UTC 2007-08-02 22:22:19
Writing application : mkvmerge v2.0.2 ('You're My Flame') built on Feb 21 2007 23:40:55
Writing library : libebml v0.7.7 + libmatroska v0.8.1

Video #0
Codec : MPEG-4 AVC
Codec/Info : MPEG4 ISO advanced profile
PlayTime : 1mn 2s
Width : 1920 pixels
Height : 800 pixels
Aspect ratio : 2.400
Frame rate : 23.976 fps
Language : English

Audio #0
Codec : AC3
Codec/Info : Dolby AC3
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Sampling rate : 48 KHz
Language : English

Text #0
Codec : UTF-8
Codec/Info : UTF-8 Plain Text
Language : English

Text #1
Codec : UTF-8
Codec/Info : UTF-8 Plain Text
Language : Swedish

You tried those mkv files but they did not work at all?

1080p MKV playback is a no go for me. Here are the files I tested...

General #0
Complete name : J:\NewsBin Download\1186720904\300.2006.1080p.bluray.x264.sample-hv.mkv
Format : Matroska
File size : 81.6 MiB
PlayTime : 1mn 4s
Bit rate : 11 Mbps
Encoded date : UTC 2007-07-25 20:29:05
Writing application : mkvmerge v2.0.2 ('You're My Flame') built on Feb 21 2007 23:40:55
Writing library : libebml v0.7.7 + libmatroska v0.8.1

Video #0
Codec : MPEG-4 AVC
Codec/Info : MPEG4 ISO advanced profile
PlayTime : 1mn 4s
Width : 1920 pixels
Height : 800 pixels
Aspect ratio : 2.400
Frame rate : 23.976 fps
Language : English

Audio #0
Codec : AC3
Codec/Info : Dolby AC3
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Sampling rate : 48 KHz
Language : English

Text #0
Codec : UTF-8
Codec/Info : UTF-8 Plain Text
Language : English

General #0
Complete name : J:\NewsBin Download\1186720904\tmnt.2007.1080p.hddvd.x264.sample-hv.mkv
Format : Matroska
File size : 66.3 MiB
PlayTime : 1mn 2s
Bit rate : 8897 Kbps
Encoded date : UTC 2007-08-02 22:22:19
Writing application : mkvmerge v2.0.2 ('You're My Flame') built on Feb 21 2007 23:40:55
Writing library : libebml v0.7.7 + libmatroska v0.8.1

Video #0
Codec : MPEG-4 AVC
Codec/Info : MPEG4 ISO advanced profile
PlayTime : 1mn 2s
Width : 1920 pixels
Height : 800 pixels
Aspect ratio : 2.400
Frame rate : 23.976 fps
Language : English

Audio #0
Codec : AC3
Codec/Info : Dolby AC3
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Sampling rate : 48 KHz
Language : English

Text #0
Codec : UTF-8
Codec/Info : UTF-8 Plain Text
Language : English

Text #1
Codec : UTF-8
Codec/Info : UTF-8 Plain Text
Language : Swedish

Try 720p....1080p MKV is being tweaked....

K

Try 720p....1080p MKV is being tweaked....

K

720p MKV's play but have audio sync issues.

720p MKV's play but have audio sync issues.

Thats correct....all MKV issues (both 720p and 1080p) are down to the LimHD not reading the timecodes correctly....Tomacro are looking at this now.

K

Kevin, if you have the ability to hook up to your projector via component, please see whether you're getting the black level problem on 070803. It's easy to spot because black will become a medium grey and everything will look washed out. The problem went away briefly on my limHD and then came back. I've ruled out cable problems and it definitely seems to be a software issue since the black level goes bad at precisely the same point every time the limHD boots up. It's like some register in the Sigma or output DAC keeps getting restored to a bad value. Not sure whether this problem would be visible over HDMI or not...

Hi Mark

My hook up is via HDMI, cant say I've noticed the IRE issue.....have you logged this with Fan or Jackie?

K

For better prices on the limHD200i than Gendvd is offering, DHGate.com quoted $269 each (1-10) or $249 each (11-25) before shipping. Shopkami.com can get them too but quoted $499. I'm not sure why someone would want to become a sub-retailer for Gendvd. Even if the margin could be improved, being directly connected to their blatant piracy in a business relationship seems like a bad idea...

Couldn't agree more.

I'm confused, what movies do you get if you go for the option with the 320GB HDD loaded with HD movies? And another question, how is it legal to sell it pre-loaded with loads of downloaded HD movies?!

And another question, how is it legal to sell it pre-loaded with loads of downloaded HD movies?!

It's not.

For better prices on the limHD200i than Gendvd is offering, DHGate.com quoted $269 each (1-10) or $249 each (11-25) before shipping.

Can you post a direct link? I can't find the limHD200i on DGGate.

It's not.

Sorry....I like Jackie.....and all my business dealings to date have been 100% trustworthy...............but, Jackie, you DO need to stop the whole copying thing...ok.....

And 4 those that know me.....Jackie is OK......apart from that small thing!

K

What NFS server are those of you with these units using to stream blu ray rips?

Hello guys,

I remember that one of the posts in this thread mentioned that you can use the DVDFabDecryptor to rip movies from blue-ray disc. But don't you need to have a blue-ray drive to do that, or regular DVD-ROM drive will work just fine?

Hi

I am from Switzerland and I am very interested in this player!!
I have a question about PAL support. My display is 50 HZ and my HDV content is 25 FPS. Does this unit support 50 Hz output or just 60 Hz.

Thanks for an answer.

Best regards.

Fritz

Can you post a direct link? I can't find the limHD200i on DHGate.

Email service@dhgate.com to get a quote on items they don't regularly stock, or try writing directly to Richard Tian (email address is his first name plus @dhgate.com).

I remember that one of the posts in this thread mentioned that you can use the DVDFabDecryptor to rip movies from blue-ray disc. But don't you need to have a blue-ray drive to do that, or regular DVD-ROM drive will work just fine?
Sounds like a question for Jackie. ;)

If you have one of those new forwards-compatible DVD-ROM drives that Sony released back on April 1st, it should work just fine, otherwise you'll need a real BD drive.

Can you post a direct link? I can't find the limHD200i on DGGate.

Do a search for 1080p player..
The limHD200i is not listed by name..

Cheers.

Good find!

Hi

I am from Switzerland and I am very interested in this player!!
I have a question about PAL support. My display is 50 HZ and my HDV content is 25 FPS. Does this unit support 50 Hz output or just 60 Hz.

Thanks for an answer.

Best regards.

Fritz

You can set to 50 or 60 Hz output.

K

Just a small test update...

TS file with 5.1 ACC audio, the LimHD plays it, but you need to set to direct audio out, not digital encode....

K

Thank you very much for the answer.

Fritz

You can set to 50 or 60 Hz output.

K

Can you set it to auto? That way 50Hz material plays at 50 and 60Hz at 60? Almost all European displays are compatible with both 50 and 60Hz material - so auto switching rather than running a fixed rate gives better quality results.

Can you set it to auto? That way 50Hz material plays at 50 and 60Hz at 60? Almost all European displays are compatible with both 50 and 60Hz material - so auto switching rather than running a fixed rate gives better quality results.

No, it's a manual select in the menus.....but why would auto give better quality results?

Just for info.....a selectable 24hz option is on the development log (well it should be!...lol.....Jackie - can you confirm this?)

K

No, it's a manual select in the menus.....but why would auto give better quality results?
Well, it's just more comfortable, of course! 33% of my movies are 50i, 33% are 24p and 33% are 60i. That means I need 50Hz, 60Hz and 24Hz. If it's a manual selection, I need to switch to the right refresh rate everytime before watching a movie. That's not very WAF friendly.

My ideal solution would be this:

There could be some kind of "info" text file in the same subfolder the movie file is in. This "info" text file could tell the LimHD to switch to a specific resolution. There could also be some more settings in that "info" file. E.g. my 1080i50 broadcast recordings are all perfectly flagged for progressive playback. So they are practically 1080p25. So if the LimHD just followed the flags and didn't even try to do any "deinterlacing", I'd have perfect 1080p25 playback. However, there may be other sources which need to be deinterlaced. So it would make sense to tell the LimHD what to do with a specific movie. Also the "info" file could tell the LimHD what other external audio and subtitle tracks are there for the movie.

Here's a random example how such an "info" file could look like:

movie name = Serenity
movie files = "Serenity_1.evo" + "Serenity_2.evo"
audio tracks = "Serenity - English.ac3" + "Serenity - German.ac3"
default audio track = Serenity - German.ac3
subtitles = "Serenity - German.srt"
default subtitle =
video mode = 1920x1080p24
deinterlacing = weave
thumb = Serenity.jpg
trailers = "Stuff\Serenity - trailer.mp4"
covers = "Stuff\Serenity Cover - German.jpg" + "Stuff\Serenity Cover - English.jpg"
imdb rating = 8.0
actors = Nathan Fillion, Gina Torres, [...]
director = Joss Whedon
release date = 2005-09-30
The LimHD could parse this file, show the "movie name" and "thumb" picture instead of the folder name. Maybe someday the LimHD could also show/offer the IMDB rating, actor information, trailers and covers. And the LimHD could read out which output mode (1080p24) and deinterlacing mode to switch to for this movie.

Well, it's just an idea, of course... :)

Well, it's just more comfortable, of course! 33% of my movies are 50i, 33% are 24p and 33% are 60i. That means I need 50Hz, 60Hz and 24Hz. If it's a manual selection, I need to switch to the right refresh rate everytime before watching a movie. That's not very WAF friendly.

My ideal solution would be this:

There could be some kind of "info" text file in the same subfolder the movie file is in. This "info" text file could tell the LimHD to switch to a specific resolution. There could also be some more settings in that "info" file. E.g. my 1080i50 broadcast recordings are all perfectly flagged for progressive playback. So they are practically 1080p25. So if the LimHD just followed the flags and didn't even try to do any "deinterlacing", I'd have perfect 1080p25 playback. However, there may be other sources which need to be deinterlaced. So it would make sense to tell the LimHD what to do with a specific movie. Also the "info" file could tell the LimHD what other external audio and subtitle tracks are there for the movie.

Here's a random example how such an "info" file could look like:

movie name = Serenity
movie files = "Serenity_1.evo" + "Serenity_2.evo"
audio tracks = "Serenity - English.ac3" + "Serenity - German.ac3"
default audio track = Serenity - German.ac3
subtitles = "Serenity - German.srt"
default subtitle =
video mode = 1920x1080p24
deinterlacing = weave
thumb = Serenity.jpg
trailers = "Stuff\Serenity - trailer.mp4"
covers = "Stuff\Serenity Cover - German.jpg" + "Stuff\Serenity Cover - English.jpg"
imdb rating = 8.0
actors = Nathan Fillion, Gina Torres, [...]
director = Joss Whedon
release date = 2005-09-30
The LimHD could parse this file, show the "movie name" and "thumb" picture instead of the folder name. Maybe someday the LimHD could also show/offer the IMDB rating, actor information, trailers and covers. And the LimHD could read out which output mode (1080p24) and deinterlacing mode to switch to for this movie.

Well, it's just an idea, of course... :)

Ok, when sneals2000 said better quality, that's what I thought he meant....rather than easier to use.

Madshi.....good idea.......Jackie, you might want to forward this idea on to the engineers....

K

For any of you considering buying this unit from GenDVD, I HIGHLY recommend them. My unit was shipped with a faulty remote control. Once I informed Jackie that it would cost me over $100 to ship the remote back to them, he sent me a new one at no charge. That is service.

Make your purchase legal, just buy the unit or the unit with the HD. And to make it legal for the movies, just think of as he is not selling you the movies because that is illegal. He is selling you the time that it took him to copy the movies :) .

For better prices on the limHD200i than Gendvd is offering, DHGate.com quoted $269 each (1-10) or $249 each (11-25) before shipping. Shopkami.com can get them too but quoted $499. I'm not sure why someone would want to become a sub-retailer for Gendvd. Even if the margin could be improved, being directly connected to their blatant piracy in a business relationship seems like a bad idea...

We have contacted with Tomacro in accordance with the above message. Tomacro announce that price is impossible and untrustworthy. You know in China any individual or company can register to sell goods on DHGate.com. The seller on DHGate.com is untrustworthy and unwarranted.
Excuse me, who can tell us who have ever bought the Lim player under such low price successfully? Who can provide some evidences or examples to prove this message? Who can take responsibility if any customers are cheated if they buy from the DHGate.com?

Hello everybody here,
All our oversea customers can enjoy 3 months free exchange warranty policy:
In the first 90 days, we can exchange a new one for free for you if there are some problems of the LimHD200i except the man-made problems. And we will afford all the shipping fees. And you also can avoid the high tariff. But there is one suggestion all customers should pay attention. You should contact with us beforehand, then we will contact with China TNT service and your local TNT will go your dwellings directly to take the faulty LimHD200i . In this way you need not pay any money for it. Or else if any customer has not contacted with us beforehand but ship it back to us. This customer should be responsible for the high tariff. If anyone has further questions welcome to email us. We will be glad to answer you. To provide best service is our aim. Thank you for attention.

Are any of you streaming blu ray rips over your Lan connection using NFS, and if so what NFS system are you using? How is the picture quality, audio quality, ect?

Streaming over NFS works great (have tried up to 50 Mbps) as long as it's a wired connection. I'm using the haneWIN NFS server (http://www.hanewin.net/nfs-e.htm).

For any of you considering buying this unit from GenDVD, I HIGHLY recommend them. My unit was shipped with a faulty remote control. Once I informed Jackie that it would cost me over $100 to ship the remote back to them, he sent me a new one at no charge. That is service.

Make your purchase legal, just buy the unit or the unit with the HD. And to make it legal for the movies, just think of as he is not selling you the movies because that is illegal. He is selling you the time that it took him to copy the movies :) .

Hello Abbas, We are very glad to know you satisfaction with our service. Many thanks for praise. We are encouraged a lot. We will make greatest efforts to serve and satisfy our customers. To make every customer satisfied is our aim.

I've got 2-8 GBit LAN sockets in pretty much every room,

Did you have the wiring put in when you built the house?

Streaming over NFS works great (have tried up to 50 Mbps) as long as it's a wired connection. I'm using the haneWIN NFS server (http://www.hanewin.net/nfs-e.htm).

Mark,
Thanks for the info. One more question: I have a Tvix 4100 and it can stream high as well, but it doesn't accept MPEG4 and VC-1 blu ray rips. It can stream MPEG2 blu ray rips fine. Have you streamed blu ray rips with the MPEG4 and VC-1 codec over your LAN?

Which means that to offer 1 year warranty, the distributor bears the cost of shipping back to you once those 90 days are over ?

With the kind of margin you offer to the distributor, I'm not sure how you can expect them to make any money on your product. A distributor spends money to advertise your product, he spends money to support your product vis-a-vis the retailers and customers, he takes the heat in case of legal action, and no retailer will buy from the distributor without at least 15% margin, which, with the margin you give for distribution, leaves nothing... I guess you're talking with stores more than distributors.
Can you raise a much detailed generate program for a distributor that you think is practical by Email, gendvd2000yahoo.com,then we will carefully consider it. Thank you so much.

Has anybody tested Unicode Greek or Iso-8859-7 Greek subtitles ? Does it work ?

Hi
Just wondering regarding the GPL licence that since MKV has been released, will Tomacro release the Source code for this as since MKV is open source Tomacro is required to release the GPL source code?
Interested on the other players as well.

Has anybody tested Unicode Greek or Iso-8859-7 Greek subtitles ? Does it work ?

Hello pssara, At present limHD200i don't support Unicode, only support .srt format subtitles.

I've read trough almost the entire thread and talked to the ducth distributer of the LimHD200i and decided to also purchase one.

All i read about is the talk about the formats that's being supported etc. but i REALLY hope that the other functionalities are also OK.
I currently have a Sony HD Camcorder HDR-SR7E and hope the lim can play the files stored with this camcorder.
I also have a lot of MP3's and pictures i would like the lim to display and manage with ease. I hope these part of the player are not neglected as i seldom hear discussions about it.

I know the lim isn't on the market as long as the tvix and thus hope that the functionalities on mp3 and picture handling etc will be improved in the very near future.

Will receive my lim on august 22nd so hope that it will live up to my expectations.

Tino

Tino, you should have no trouble playing AVCHD m2ts files from the SR7. MP3s and photos work, but the UI doesn't offer much functionality for playlists and slideshows yet... My impression so far is that the limHD hardware is pretty solid for a Chinese product (especially the 3mm thick aluminum case and nice VFD). The firmware is still a little rough, but each release has offered some nice improvements.

Couple questions:
1. I have monitor with ONLY DVI input. Will I lose the quality in HD movies if I use VGA-> connector?
2. How is the VC-1 codec playback? Will it play 1080p VC-1 movies?

Thanks!

Couple questions:
1. I have monitor with ONLY DVI input. Will I lose the quality in HD movies if I use VGA-> connector?
2. How is the VC-1 codec playback? Will it play 1080p VC-1 movies?

Thanks!
Hi, yfedorovsky
1. You can buy a HDMI<->DVI cable, because HDMI & DVI can output the best image quality.
2. limHD200i support ts/avi/wmv containers with VC-1 encodeing, It can play 1080p VC-1 movies.

Hi Mark,

Thanks for the info on the SR7 playback. I'm happy to hear so :-)

I really hope that the work on the UI functionality concerning MP3 and photo's will start soon, because from what i've read there is some basic functionality (playlists / slideshows / randomising etc) missing that i for one would really like to have on it...

Is there some kind or development roadmap available from the lim developers or a .plan page where you can see all changes made etc.

Hi Mark,

Thanks for the info on the SR7 playback. I'm happy to hear so :-)

I really hope that the work on the UI functionality concerning MP3 and photo's will start soon, because from what i've read there is some basic functionality (playlists / slideshows / randomising etc) missing that i for one would really like to have on it...

Is there some kind or development roadmap available from the lim developers or a .plan page where you can see all changes made etc.

For mp3 playback, you can select repeat track/repeat all in current folder by 'Repeat' button on remote controller
Fro photo browser, you can select sildeshow by 'Func' button on remote controller

OK, there are just too information overwelming here readings posts on these 2 products. I wonder if someone who follow closely on these two can give me, a simple comparison pros and cons list. I am most interested in their ability to play .m2t and h.264 files. The quality and smoothness of the output. Of course, I am also talking about in their highest resolution format, 1080p.

Thanks in advance.
Perry

OK, there are just too information overwelming here readings posts on these 2 products. I wonder if someone who follow closely on these two can give me, a simple comparison pros and cons list. I am most interested in their ability to play .m2t and h.264 files. The quality and smoothness of the output. Of course, I am also talking about in their highest resolution format, 1080p.

Thanks in advance.
Perry

Cant comment on the Tvix.....but even Hijack agrees that the Lim has the edge over picture quality, hi def format support and support for higher bitrates.....

K

Hi Mark,

Thanks for the info on the SR7 playback. I'm happy to hear so :-)

I really hope that the work on the UI functionality concerning MP3 and photo's will start soon, because from what i've read there is some basic functionality (playlists / slideshows / randomising etc) missing that i for one would really like to have on it...

Is there some kind or development roadmap available from the lim developers or a .plan page where you can see all changes made etc.

I agree.

I hope they have iphone like navigation for the albums and photos.

Here is an iphone demo:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=s_f-KK140vM

The navigation in iphone is fantastic, you can flip through the albums very quickly to find the album you want to listen.

I know LimHD200i is not touch sensitive, but I think it would be nice if it can also support similar features in the remote control because it is really a pain to use menus and scrollbars to navigate when you have a huge collection of albums.

Cant comment on the Tvix.....but even Hijack agrees that the Lim has the edge over picture qualityK

I'm sorry but I'd like a final answer on this one. As far as I read Hi-Jack I get:

"Ok, we continued looking at the Tomacro LimHD200i and love the Quality
playback. Can't really say it's better than others, more like the same but it does
handle bitrates quite well and the image is firm and stable."

From this I get PQ is equal to the competition. HJ qoute 2:

"As for Quality, it is superb indeed but as i said, on normal sized TV's you won't
see a difference really compared to the competition... For beamers and huge TV's
(60"and up) there's a clearer advantage..."

Is this the limHD200i that has the "clearer advantage" or just HD material..?

I really have a hard time understanding why the limHD200i should have better PQ than ie. the TVIX x100SH. Since they use the same chipset.

Hi-Jack, could you clear this one up? Do you mean what you said the first time, and am I just misunderstanding what has the clear advantage?

Don't get me wrong - I'm impressed by the playback support of the lim - my brain is just rattling over the picture quality thing :)

Cheers

I'm sorry but I'd like a final answer on this one. As far as I read Hi-Jack I get:

"Ok, we continued looking at the Tomacro LimHD200i and love the Quality
playback. Can't really say it's better than others, more like the same but it does
handle bitrates quite well and the image is firm and stable."

From this I get PQ is equal to the competition. HJ qoute 2:

"As for Quality, it is superb indeed but as i said, on normal sized TV's you won't
see a difference really compared to the competition... For beamers and huge TV's
(60"and up) there's a clearer advantage..."

Is this the limHD200i that has the "clearer advantage" or just HD material..?

I really have a hard time understanding why the limHD200i should have better PQ than ie. the TVIX x100SH. Since they use the same chipset.

Hi-Jack, could you clear this one up? Do you mean what you said the first time, and am I just misunderstanding what has the clear advantage?

Don't get me wrong - I'm impressed by the playback support of the lim - my brain is just rattling over the picture quality thing :)

Cheers

I think what he is saying is on a 32/42 LCD/Plasma....you probably may not see any difference...but if you have a good quality HD projector (i have the Hitachi PJXT 200 with a 130" screen), then the Lim comes out on top. They may have the same chip....not sure about the other bits on the motherboard.....but Tomacro have focused on the quality of Hi-Def playback...as opposed to some of the other nice to haves....which for me...is what I want from a Hi-Def media player...

Just my 2 cents

K

I think what he is saying is on a 32/42 LCD/Plasma....you probably may not see any difference...but if you have a good quality HD projector (i have the Hitachi PJXT 200 with a 130" screen), then the Lim comes out on top. They may have the same chip....not sure about the other bits on the motherboard.....but Tomacro have focused on the quality of Hi-Def playback...as opposed to some of the other nice to haves....which for me...is what I want from a Hi-Def media player...

Just my 2 cents

K

I set quality above all too.

But if the lim gets 10 out of 10 in picture quality and the TVIX does the same - I have to go further and compare the rest. And in that department the TVIX still wins, since they claim to eventually be able to play all files that the lim does.

..buuut some spidery sense tells me that won't happen (although my other senses hope it's not a bluff). And the network speed is just about the top TVIX killer. These two things will probably be the reason I get myself a lim :)

Cheeers

I hope they have iphone like navigation for the albums and photos. ... The navigation in iphone is fantastic, you can flip through the albums very quickly to find the album you want to listen.

Unfortunately, there is no graphics processor in the limHD to support this kind of animated rendering. Displaying static text, icons and thumbnails is about as fancy an interface as the hardware will allow, and even that will be sluggish on the Sigma's 200 MHz ARM processor. There's still room to improve the UI over what's been implemented today, but neither the limHD nor the Tvix x100 will ever be able to render a slick animated UI like XBMC/Wii/PS3/etc. For everything except hardware-accelerated decoding of video and audio streams, the limHD resembles a PC from the mid-1990s.

Hmm, but maybe such an interface could be pre-rendered to a MJPEG video file using a helper app on a PC, then the user could flip through the "rolodex" using the remote buttons with the limHD playing the canned video backwards and forwards at a varying frame rate (MJPEG facilitates this)... selecting a photo from the rolodex would consult an index file to map the frame number of the video file to the JPEG file to display... just brainstorming...

what about 1080p x264 (H264) movies (eg Blu-Ray/HD-DVD rips)? I saw a post with a guy testing it, and it did not play for him..

what about 1080p x264 (H264) movies (eg Blu-Ray/HD-DVD rips)? I saw a post with a guy testing it, and it did not play for him..

As far as I know (and tested) AVC 1080p there are no problems......1080p MKv (with H.264) is still being tweaked...

K

But if the lim gets 10 out of 10 in picture quality and the TVIX does the same

Thats not the case, as has been reported ( and even Hijack)......with HD material and on a big screen, the Lim comes out on top....

I'm not baised in any way here....but it looks like for those with a big screen and want to play HQ HD material, right now, the Lim is the best bet...


K

Hmm, but maybe such an interface could be pre-rendered to a MJPEG video file using a helper app on a PC, then the user could flip through the "rolodex" using the remote buttons with the limHD playing the canned video backwards and forwards at a varying frame rate (MJPEG facilitates this)... selecting a photo from the rolodex would consult an index file to map the frame number of the video file to the JPEG file to display... just brainstorming...


Mark....as always....great ideas....but right now...which would you rather have?....perfect 720p and 1080p MKV playback.....or nice to haves?

Dont distract Tomacro at the moment......

just my 2 cents...

K

Thats not the case, as has been reported ( and even Hijack)......with HD material and on a big screen, the Lim comes out on top....

I'm not baised in any way here....but it looks like for those with a big screen and want to play HQ HD material, right now, the Lim is the best bet...


K
You have done a lot of work on this forum but I do believe you are biased in favor of the lim...it would be hard not to be given the work you have put in and the money spent. Be honest, no one, not even HiJack has done an objective quantitative comparison of the lim to the tvix or any other player in regards to PQ...it is just your opinion. From what I remember of Hijacks remarks regarding lim PQ he said it was good but I do not believe he came right out and said it was any better than the TVIX or any other player.

When I play HD ts files using my LP2 I can not tell the difference between the recording and the actual show but I can not conclude that it has as good or better PQ than any other player because I can not compare them side by side using the exact same video on the exact same TV and so on....

I think the most that can be said is that the lim does not appear to reduce or diminish PQ.

Kevin, why don't you buy a TViX 4100SH in addition to your limHD player and compare PQ between the two?
We would be very pleased for a detailed review, really.

Mark....as always....great ideas....but right now... Dont distract Tomacro at the moment...

Yeah, just brainstorming... Maybe I can work on that when Tomacro open sources the firmware this fall... ;)

I've been emailing all my legitimate bug reports directly to Fan since it's easy to miss things in this thread. I'm trying not to make too many feature requests until things stabilize a bit more.

Kevin, why don't you buy a TViX 4100SH in addition to your limHD player and compare PQ between the two?
We would be very pleased for a detailed review, really.

Maybe you should buy one and send it to him. :)

You have done a lot of work on this forum but I do believe you are biased in favor of the lim...it would be hard not to be given the work you have put in and the money spent. Be honest, no one, not even HiJack has done an objective quantitative comparison of the lim to the tvix or any other player in regards to PQ...it is just your opinion. From what I remember of Hijacks remarks regarding lim PQ he said it was good but I do not believe he came right out and said it was any better than the TVIX or any other player.

When I play HD ts files using my LP2 I can not tell the difference between the recording and the actual show but I can not conclude that it has as good or better PQ than any other player because I can not compare them side by side using the exact same video on the exact same TV and so on....

I think the most that can be said is that the lim does not appear to reduce or diminish PQ.


You are right....it is just my opinion....

K

Thats not the case, as has been reported ( and even Hijack)......with HD material and on a big screen, the Lim comes out on top....

I'm not baised in any way here....but it looks like for those with a big screen and want to play HQ HD material, right now, the Lim is the best bet...

K

My initial question to Hi-Jack was exactly regarding this - I'm having a hard time understanding why there would be a difference in picture quality. We're talking about the same chip putting the same 921600 or 2073600 pixels (720p/1080p) up on a screen through a digital connection.

My initial question to Hi-Jack was exactly regarding this - I'm having a hard time understanding why there would be a difference in picture quality. We're talking about the same chip putting the same 921600 or 2073600 pixels (720p/1080p) up on a screen through a digital connection.

The only answer I can think of is the firmware.....also, do they have the same chips on the motherboard, eg hdmi chip etc?

K

Hmm, but maybe such an interface could be pre-rendered to a MJPEG video file using a helper app on a PC, then the user could flip through the "rolodex" using the remote buttons with the limHD playing the canned video backwards and forwards at a varying frame rate (MJPEG facilitates this)... selecting a photo from the rolodex would consult an index file to map the frame number of the video file to the JPEG file to display... just brainstorming...


It was a surprise to me that a HD capable media player of this size doesn't have a graphics processor to support animation, but this is a great brainstorming! I hope something like this could be implemented in future firmware upgrades.

There's something like interference going around inside players if they are not grounded
perfectly. The TViX measures more interference and that results in reduced quality of the
image, mainly stability of the image. The limhd200i offers a more stable image and though
with the naked eye, no one, not even the gretaest professional will see the difference
Quality wise, the instability is showing on "huge screens" better on TViX than on
LimHD200i....

Further there can be differences in materials used, quality of build, default settings for BCS
and more influencing the Quality. Anyway, i don't think, believe or feel that should be of
concern when choosing between Tomacro and LimHD200i as it's so slim...

As for the comments no one has seen an unbiased story about the units, then I feel sad. I have been giving a lot of comments and so far no one prooved me wrong so maybe i'm right? Maybe the Tomacro is limited to HD files and performs bad with them because of the issue with times reading from the files. Maybe it doesn't do a lot beside mkv like TViX?

We have been alpha testing DViCo in the last 8 days (4 FW versions and each one with huge steps forward) so maybe we are right saying progress with Tomacro is too slow against all the fus so many make about the unit here (mostly resellers). Not enough
resources?

Maybe we are right saying by the time Tomacro is ready there will be multiple EM8634 players available making Tomacro not the "best choice" some people think it is today (and I might add most positive comments come from resellers, people involved with Tomacro or people making money on it one way or the other..., well, a few hate me too :-))

Like I said before, there is nothing wrong with buying tomacro instead of TViX or any other player. Tomacro can become a great player over time but it is nowhere near DViCo
performance and that today includes MKV and VC-1 and I look at it from a general
point of view. people want a complete player not just one that does a bit of this and
another doing a bit of that...

I don't even want to make a side by side comparison as the Tomacro has had a lot less
time to mature like DViCo has even though DVICo was in a much better state upon release
than Tomacro is today. Off course DvICo is going to win with the most features and leave only few items open where Tomacro is the best (if it would finally work as currently it doesn't) and the reason would be exactly the loads of features "not" implemented leaving memory free for what it eventually will do best "maybe": MKV

I believe in Tomacro, I just don't believe it will ever surpass DVICo and resellers and the only
thing that could proove me wrong and change my mind is "seeing" the Tomacro performing
better instead of hearing it all the time as that's about all this thread is doing, yelling how
good it may become... again, mostly by people making a living of selling or involved in the
production somehow...

I haven't commented any further about DViCo tests just because of that everything said is
immediately pulled down as "unbiased" or "DviCo Friendly" etc... I'm still waiting for more
than words only to see what Tomacro is capable off...

I rest my case.
Anyone is welcome to review the test results posted online. We'll be glad giving you access
to our beta hideout if you want to follow the progress "by actions" and not "by words"...

Great thread and very helpfull for improving the unit but misleading in stating how well the player performs while it doesn't... that's what I cal unbiased... I'm sorry...
On top, I can't get past the fact that development depends on sold units and it
might end if the Tomacro will not become "the great allmighty" as intended and
planned to not again mention the upcoming "real" EM8634 players which will make both units forgettible...

(It actually will introduce gfx animation, thumbnail views, filtering etc...)
Actually, the filtering is even possible on EM8622, look at the NetGear EVA8000...

I guess all I want to say, in general it does not convince of a top player just yet
and on one it is claimed to do best, I see nothing but errors and bugs preventing
people from actually using it as a mkv player... Progress is for the future :-)

On top, I can't get past the fact that development depends on sold units and it
might end if the Tomacro will not become "the great allmighty" as intended and
planned to not again mention the upcoming "real" EM8634 players which will make both units forgettible...

(It actually will introduce gfx animation, thumbnail views, filtering etc...)



The upcoming "real" EM8634 players? Who will make it and when will it come out? I can't wait for it.


If you blame others for your failures, do you credit them for your achievements?

What a great signature you have! I like it.

So far there are two known releases for September.
One Chinese brand called "popcorn hour" who will sell mainly online, and one German
brand who doesn't reveal itself yet. We expect to find out more at Ifa 2007 in Berlin in 3
weeks....

Main features that shake the earth:
Integrated SMB Server
Blu-Ray exchangeable (DVD Drive can be upgraded to Blu-Ray when they become affordeable)
1080p flawless playback
Advanced menus (thumbnail previews of movies and images)
etc...

Some are verified, some are still in the process of development...

About Signatures, I have another one :-)
"The longer it takesz for you to agree with me, the more I been ahead of you"

Back to Tomacro now before we get kicked out :-)

Great thread and very helpfull for improving the unit but misleading in stating how well the player performs while it doesn't... that's what I cal unbiased... I'm sorry...


You're calling other people biased? That's like the pot calling the kettle black. Does Dvico pay you to come to AVS and post this drivel? You are losing what little credibility you have left.

As far as the Tvix 4100 firmware being mature, give me a break. There are HDMI/sound issues that have existed for over two months that still have not been fixed. Don't even get me started on the tuner which was non-functioning for the longest time. I guess I shouldn't be surprised that you are overlooking these issues with the 4100 because you're the same person who claimed in his "review" of the 4100 that there are no issues with H.264. O RLY? Go download the NIN clip at Apple's website and watch the 4100 stutter and then loose sound. Try to watch the H.264 HD broadcast of Lawrence of Arabia. The 4100 will stutter and loose sound within the first five seconds of the movie. The 4100's inability to handle H.264 material without stuttering and loosing sound is the reason why people are looking for alternatives to the 4100.

Go download the NIN clip at Apple's website and watch the 4100 stutter and then loose sound. Try to watch the H.264 HD broadcast of Lawrence of Arabia. The 4100 will stutter and loose sound within the first five seconds of the movie.

Johnny, do you have direct links to these clips?
I have problems finding it.

You're calling other people biased? That's like the pot calling the kettle black. Does Dvico pay you to come to AVS and post this drivel? You are losing what little credibility you have left.

As far as the Tvix 4100 firmware being mature, give me a break. There are HDMI/sound issues that have existed for over two months that still have not been fixed. Don't even get me started on the tuner which was non-functioning for the longest time. I guess I shouldn't be surprised that you are overlooking these issues with the 4100 because you're the same person who claimed in his "review" of the 4100 that there are no issues with H.264. O RLY? Go download the NIN clip at Apple's website and watch the 4100 stutter and then loose sound. Try to watch the H.264 HD broadcast of Lawrence of Arabia. The 4100 will stutter and loose sound within the first five seconds of the movie. The 4100's inability to handle H.264 material without stuttering and loosing sound is the reason why people are looking for alternatives to the 4100.

File by file we can go on for a long time...
Try ANY H.264 file on the Tomacro and it fails 90% sure :-)

I don't get paid by DviCo. The Tuner has been activated later in the FW, just like Tomacro it is always work in progress concerning FW updates. Yes there are issues with HDMI sound but nothing that can't be resolved by using other options. In case of your wonderfull player it does not play 90% of the H.264 files and there's NO workaround instead of waiting another month for some more alpha. dviCo is not claiming the world's first and best, I don't see 50 resellers and 15 employees yelling in forums how great they are... so you give me a break...

Talking about alternatives. What are you basing your "commercials" on? It
doesn't play 90% of all mkv files tested and still you claim it is better than a
player that only fails on 10%!! Exactly my point there's a bunch of resellers and
employees here on the forums tricking people into buying a product for what it is
deffinately NOT: A good player! Maybe one day it will become one, today just isn't
that day and you're welcome to proove me wrong with facts and not repeating
how unbiased and uncredible I am in your eyes...

That's about all the time I wanna waste on you Johny Boy...

File by file we can go on for a long time...
Try ANY H.264 file on the Tomacro and it fails 90% sure :-)



It's a nonsense! Dont't steal to change concept!
Distorting facts is his consistent style.

and for Tvix 4100:

None of the players actually will feature XBMC style interfaces. I's mainly static and with all
players one can see limited design, especially Korean, Chinese and Japanese players. At
least the unit does a lot even though it has several issues outstanding.

__________________
Hi-Jack
www.mpcclub.com
If you blame others for your failures, do you credit them for your achievements?




Choose the easier way while speak of Tvix weakness, describe with a delicate touch.

He is the 100% bedlamite, is the person who craves for small benefit and have no the slightest of credit can talk.

From his aboil speech, we can judge, this be a wicked man.

We know a basic common sense --- The crazy dog that bite in disorder everywhere, call more terribly to explain it's more guilty & nervous.

Bedlamite??? Now them's fightin' words if I ever done heard any! Easy, guys...

HEHEHE !! :D

If this is the effect the Tomacro Lim..thingy has on a people after purchasing it. I don't want one. :eek:
Why is that that tomacro owners go into attack mode when someone says something bad about it. To the point of calling names. Pathetic move there fancy "bedlamite word" user :mad:

Relax guys. If you like whatever player you have, enjoy it.

File by file we can go on for a long time...
Try ANY H.264 file on the Tomacro and it fails 90% sure :-)

I don't get paid by DviCo. The Tuner has been activated later in the FW, just like Tomacro it is always work in progress concerning FW updates. Yes there are issues with HDMI sound but nothing that can't be resolved by using other options. In case of your wonderfull player it does not play 90% of the H.264 files and there's NO workaround instead of waiting another month for some more alpha. dviCo is not claiming the world's first and best, I don't see 50 resellers and 15 employees yelling in forums how great they are... so you give me a break...

Talking about alternatives. What are you basing your "commercials" on? It
doesn't play 90% of all mkv files tested and still you claim it is better than a
player that only fails on 10%!! Exactly my point there's a bunch of resellers and
employees here on the forums tricking people into buying a product for what it is
deffinately NOT: A good player! Maybe one day it will become one, today just isn't
that day and you're welcome to proove me wrong with facts and not repeating
how unbiased and uncredible I am in your eyes...

That's about all the time I wanna waste on you Johny Boy...

Ok....enough is enough...I have chosen this above quote to tag.....but to be honest.....all your posts TODAY smack of BOLLO$KS.......sorry, but I did expect more from you Hijack.....

I will ask just one question from folks watching this thread (and that includes you Mark!)........have I told one peace of BS?

Hijack.......please, in the interests of everyone that are following all the threads in the forum, stick to your own web site.

I am very sorry if I have offended anyone here, in any shape or form, but, for one moment, I did think this was an objective thread (and yes even I get carried away sometimes)....but when, out of the blue, someone completely changes their line, without warning, then, in my eyes anyway......I start to question motives.

K

Try ANY H.264 file on the Tomacro and it fails 90% sure :-)

One last thing...CFR MKV via MKV2TS (720p H.264/AC3/DTS) seems to play on both the Lim and Tvix......however, VFR MKV via MKV2VFR>AVI (720p H.264/AC3/DTS) will not play on the Tvix...also, I have never had one problem with an AVC in a TS/AVI container (AVC>H.264/Mpeg4 etc)...apart from, at this stage, 1080p MKV (H.264) to TS/AVI.....but if the orginal is in 1080p AVC TS/AVI.......no issues

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.........!

K

So, moving on (I do hope!)....Jackie/Fan.....any news on when the lastest cut of firmware will be ready for testing....

K

what methods are you guys using to rip your blu-ray and hd-dvd dvds that works with the lim?

I will ask just one question from folks watching this thread (and that includes you Mark!)........have I told one peace of BS?

No way- I think you've provided a pretty fair (though enthusiastic) ongoing assessment of the limHD overall. Considering the price you paid, you've been amazingly forgiving of the various bugs we're seeing in the early firmware. Certainly all your independent testing and analysis of HD files must be invaluable to Tomacro... they really ought to compensate you somehow for all that work...

I've been holding off for a more stable firmware and a fix for this crazy black level problem before writing too much more of a review, but I will say that when the limHD is working properly, the picture quality is really outstanding. If Tomacro can keep the firmware development effort going for another two months, they will have a pretty decent player. I've been sending periodic bug reports to Fan and will keep it up until at least the major issues are resolved.

I still think the ideal price point for a player like this is about $350 (without hard drive) and that $500+ is hard to justify for this product, even if the firmware were flawless. It absolutely must compete head-to-head with the Tvix x100 series, as there are not many differences between them hardware-wise except for the fanless design, nicer display and metal case.

Hi, all.
Good morning.
This is fan from Tomacro, China.

To be honest it is honorable for us to see so hot a discussion are undergoing here. Just neglect what kind of comments people are posting, Tomacro will always be happy to listen. Only with customers' complaints can we become stronger.
Good words are pleasant but may make people pride, but we won't see fights here.

We would like to see guys here dicussing our product limHD200i friendly and objectively. For those who have absolute preferences, either to Tvix or limHD, please do not be furious about what others said or what you are going to say. If Conker and Hi-jack go on like what you acted, you both will not be welcomed.

Lastly, we want to thank Kevin and Mark for their earnest review. I have already forwarded your suggestions to our R&D. Believe us and we will make it. For the moment the news about newest fw will be blocked.

Enjoy your HD digital life!
Fan
Tomacro Tech.

No way- I think you've provided a pretty fair (though enthusiastic) ongoing assessment of the limHD overall. Considering the price you paid, you've been amazingly forgiving of the various bugs we're seeing in the early firmware. Certainly all your independent testing and analysis of HD files must be invaluable to Tomacro... they really ought to compensate you somehow for all that work...

I've been holding off for a more stable firmware and a fix for this crazy black level problem before writing too much more of a review, but I will say that when the limHD is working properly, the picture quality is really outstanding. If Tomacro can keep the firmware development effort going for another two months, they will have a pretty decent player. I've been sending periodic bug reports to Fan and will keep it up until at least the major issues are resolved.

I still think the ideal price point for a player like this is about $350 (without hard drive) and that $500+ is hard to justify for this product, even if the firmware were flawless. It absolutely must compete head-to-head with the Tvix x100 series, as there are not many differences between them hardware-wise except for the fanless design, nicer display and metal case.

So what do you think will be the competitive price?
Easy to comments :D :D :D

Fan

Hi, all.
Good morning.
This is fan from Tomacro, China.

To be honest it is honorable for us to see so hot a discussion are undergoing here. Just neglect what kind of comments people are posting, Tomacro will always be happy to listen. Only with customers' complaints can we become stronger.
Good words are pleasant but may make people pride, but we won't see fights here.

We would like to see guys here dicussing our product limHD200i friendly and objectively. For those who have absolute preferences, either to Tvix or limHD, please do not be furious about what others said or what you are going to say. If Conker and Hi-jack go on like what you acted, you both will not be welcomed.

Lastly, we want to thank Kevin and Mark for their earnest review. I have already forwarded your suggestions to our R&D. Believe us and we will make it. For the moment the news about newest fw will be blocked.

Enjoy your HD digital life!
Fan
Tomacro Tech.

Fan

Many thanks....I think we are all looking forward to the next cut...

K

Hi guys..
Well I received mine yesterday, (with internal hard drive).
Trying to get it set up on my network. I can ping the lim, so I'm half way there.. :)
I've gone back through the various postings, re networking, lot of good info..

I would have to say that Tomacro will have to lift their game with quality control.
There was a rattling sound when I first unpacked the unit. Plus the VFD doesn't work. Well, half works, there is a faint glimmer if you look close. I tried the VFD on/off button, but it just turns the "glimmer" off.
Also when it was powered up there was a lot of vibration from the hard drive. So I unplugged the lim and removed the base to access the drive. Removed the drive, one screw was missing, (hence the rattle), and the rest were stripped. If fact the screws were too long and had bottomed out on the hard drive. Anyway fixed that and the vibration is gone. But still no VFD.. :(
I am still working my way through various files that it will or wont play. The lim locked up at one point and it gave me the excessive white balance Mark commented on earlier. Reflashing the firmware fixed that. (It came with 803 already loaded.)

Anyway, more comments as I learn more about the Lim.

Cheers..

.. The TViX measures more interference and that results in reduced quality of the image, mainly stability of the image. The limhd200i offers a more stable image and though with the naked eye, no one, not even the gretaest professional will see the difference Quality wise, the instability is showing on "huge screens" better on TViX than on LimHD200i....

Thanks for your answer, HJ!

Cheers

Hi guys..
Well I received mine yesterday, (with internal hard drive).
Trying to get it set up on my network. I can ping the lim, so I'm half way there.. :)
I've gone back through the various postings, re networking, lot of good info..

I would have to say that Tomacro will have to lift their game with quality control.
There was a rattling sound when I first unpacked the unit. Plus the VFD doesn't work. Well, half works, there is a faint glimmer if you look close. I tried the VFD on/off button, but it just turns the "glimmer" off.
Also when it was powered up there was a lot of vibration from the hard drive. So I unplugged the lim and removed the base to access the drive. Removed the drive, one screw was missing, (hence the rattle), and the rest were stripped. If fact the screws were too long and had bottomed out on the hard drive. Anyway fixed that and the vibration is gone. But still no VFD.. :(
I am still working my way through various files that it will or wont play. The lim locked up at one point and it gave me the excessive white balance Mark commented on earlier. Reflashing the firmware fixed that. (It came with 803 already loaded.)

Anyway, more comments as I learn more about the Lim.

Cheers..

If your VFD has issues....get the unit replaced.

K

Hi guys..
Well I received mine yesterday, (with internal hard drive).
Trying to get it set up on my network. I can ping the lim, so I'm half way there.. :)
I've gone back through the various postings, re networking, lot of good info..

I would have to say that Tomacro will have to lift their game with quality control.
There was a rattling sound when I first unpacked the unit. Plus the VFD doesn't work. Well, half works, there is a faint glimmer if you look close. I tried the VFD on/off button, but it just turns the "glimmer" off.
Also when it was powered up there was a lot of vibration from the hard drive. So I unplugged the lim and removed the base to access the drive. Removed the drive, one screw was missing, (hence the rattle), and the rest were stripped. If fact the screws were too long and had bottomed out on the hard drive. Anyway fixed that and the vibration is gone. But still no VFD.. :(
I am still working my way through various files that it will or wont play. The lim locked up at one point and it gave me the excessive white balance Mark commented on earlier. Reflashing the firmware fixed that. (It came with 803 already loaded.)

Anyway, more comments as I learn more about the Lim.

Cheers..

:) Thank you so much for your comments.

Tomacro wholesale limHD200i without any internal HDD so I guess you might have bought it from our agent. We will supervise our agent more strictly to protect the very profits of both consumers and agents.

For VFD problem, please take some pictures and email to me: tomacro_fan@hotmail.com or info001@tomacro.com (the latter email address might sometimes have problems thus is not recommended, sorry) :D :D

Regards
Fan
Tomacro Tech.

:) Thank you so much for your comments.

Tomacro wholesale limHD200i without any internal HDD so I guess you might have bought it from our agent. We will supervise our agent more strictly to protect the very profits of both consumers and agents.

For VFD problem, please take some pictures and email to me:

Regards
Fan
Tomacro Tech.

Thanks Fan...
I'll get a couple of photos to you asap.
Cheers..

If your VFD has issues....get the unit replaced.

K

Now why didn't I think of that... :rolleyes:

Now why didn't I think of that... :rolleyes:


:rolleyes: :rolleyes: Just trying to be supportive....

K

Kevin/Mark..
Are you using a laptop/usb to access the internal drive of the lim?
Or via your pc/network?
I am going to try an earlier version of the firmware as I keep getting these pale white/grey screens, even with the lim in sleep mode... (This is with hdmi connection).

Cheers..

Kevin/Mark..
Are you using a laptop/usb to access the internal drive of the lim?
Or via your pc/network?
I am going to try an earlier version of the firmware as I keep getting these pale white/grey screens, even with the lim in sleep mode... (This is with hdmi connection).

Cheers..

For accesing the Lim HD drive, I use USB. So your getting white/grey screens on 803 over HDMI? I know Mark was having an issue with IRE over component....but I've not had any issues over HDMI....

K

Ok....enough is enough...I have chosen this above quote to tag.....but to be honest.....all your posts TODAY smack of BOLLO$KS.......sorry, but I did expect more from you Hijack.....

I will ask just one question from folks watching this thread (and that includes you Mark!)........have I told one peace of BS?

Hijack.......please, in the interests of everyone that are following all the threads in the forum, stick to your own web site.

I am very sorry if I have offended anyone here, in any shape or form, but, for one moment, I did think this was an objective thread (and yes even I get carried away sometimes)....but when, out of the blue, someone completely changes their line, without warning, then, in my eyes anyway......I start to question motives.

K
I wasn't targeting you as probably you are one of the very few actually doing a
great job. Anyone following can see there's at least 20 resellers and employees
in this thread saying how well Tomacro is while it is not...

Eve you can't say mkv is pleasing you as it simply doesn't play the majority of the
files and clearly resources at Tomacro are insufficient to make progress fast
enough, hence we see most brands release weekly updates in beta stage...

You can't deny a lot of functionality is left out to provide maximum memory and
power for the files it can play well VC-1 etc... Where does that leave people who
want a full player? FF/RW skips ahead instead of being fluent, no progressive
zoom, FTP file transfer to avoid the need of connecting over USB, browse music
while playing back a file is not possible, the LCD does not show any onfo so you
can't use music without TV on, no BivX support, no Random for music, only 1 smb
source can be used and 1 NFS and it fails on 90% of mkv which i have to admit is
a bug and can be fixed probably easily int he near future...

Now how many months are neded to lift the general abilities of this player? What would it cost to rewrite the MP3 interface and code handling the music so one can browse during playback and not be stuck in a page? DVD ISO, better SMB/NFS? How much chance does it have to be ready before end of September when the
first EM8634 players arrive?

All i want is someone claiming how wonderfull this unit is proove me wrong all
these "basic things" are not limited and unsupported as then i would agree the
product is a good one. Most will say give them time to grow and I agree, but
then let everyone take their time before yelling at everyone how great it is or
that it will be "equaly performing" as the EM8634 which is bogus statement...

Maybe i'm saying things wrong, it does not make me a liar or unbiased. I welcome
any competition if it is a competition and I do not participate in commercial mumbo
jumbo to get units sold and get it function later. We can't pay later, they can't
deliver later..., at least for the basics they are yelling about... (in case you
compare to DVICo and my comments on them, they first made it work and then
came out, elease updates each 2-3 days with seruious progress etc...)

Tomacro is the best in VC-1, yes... no problem saying that...
Blu-Ray backups, cool... How 'bout all the rest? Those who don't care will not mind
it's missing and some of those are actually here in this thread. for general public
(the way I look at products) it needs more then 1 update and hopefully not 1 for
each month as that would be to slow to even become a familiar name before
the "real" players start that kick both Tomacro and TViX out of the field...

That's all I can say really... nothing against you. Au contraire, i respect what you
did so far. I look forward to progress too but hate the commercially tinted thread
this has become by the infest of resellers... It's those guys yelling about
everything is fine i target when saying "i'm not the one unbiased up here"...

I'll stick to my own forums now...
I said all i had to say and will follow progress in the coming weeks and months.
Hopefully one day I can be as positive as some of you about the product but I
can't force myself into faking it...

Enjoy

what methods are you guys using to rip your blu-ray and hd-dvd dvds that works with the lim?

I am interested in hearing the working methods as well. Ideally I would like to rip blu-ray with my PS3. Anyone doing this currently.

I wasn't targeting you as probably you are one of the very few actually doing a
great job. Anyone following can see there's at least 20 resellers and employees
in this thread saying how well Tomacro is while it is not...

Eve you can't say mkv is pleasing you as it simply doesn't play the majority of the
files and clearly resources at Tomacro are insufficient to make progress fast
enough, hence we see most brands release weekly updates in beta stage...

You can't deny a lot of functionality is left out to provide maximum memory and
power for the files it can play well VC-1 etc... Where does that leave people who
want a full player? FF/RW skips ahead instead of being fluent, no progressive
zoom, FTP file transfer to avoid the need of connecting over USB, browse music
while playing back a file is not possible, the LCD does not show any onfo so you
can't use music without TV on, no BivX support, no Random for music, only 1 smb
source can be used and 1 NFS and it fails on 90% of mkv which i have to admit is
a bug and can be fixed probably easily int he near future...

Now how many months are neded to lift the general abilities of this player? What would it cost to rewrite the MP3 interface and code handling the music so one can browse during playback and not be stuck in a page? DVD ISO, better SMB/NFS? How much chance does it have to be ready before end of September when the
first EM8634 players arrive?

All i want is someone claiming how wonderfull this unit is proove me wrong all
these "basic things" are not limited and unsupported as then i would agree the
product is a good one. Most will say give them time to grow and I agree, but
then let everyone take their time before yelling at everyone how great it is or
that it will be "equaly performing" as the EM8634 which is bogus statement...

Maybe i'm saying things wrong, it does not make me a liar or unbiased. I welcome
any competition if it is a competition and I do not participate in commercial mumbo
jumbo to get units sold and get it function later. We can't pay later, they can't
deliver later..., at least for the basics they are yelling about... (in case you
compare to DVICo and my comments on them, they first made it work and then
came out, elease updates each 2-3 days with seruious progress etc...)

Tomacro is the best in VC-1, yes... no problem saying that...
Blu-Ray backups, cool... How 'bout all the rest? Those who don't care will not mind
it's missing and some of those are actually here in this thread. for general public
(the way I look at products) it needs more then 1 update and hopefully not 1 for
each month as that would be to slow to even become a familiar name before
the "real" players start that kick both Tomacro and TViX out of the field...

That's all I can say really... nothing against you. Au contraire, i respect what you
did so far. I look forward to progress too but hate the commercially tinted thread
this has become by the infest of resellers... It's those guys yelling about
everything is fine i target when saying "i'm not the one unbiased up here"...

I'll stick to my own forums now...
I said all i had to say and will follow progress in the coming weeks and months.
Hopefully one day I can be as positive as some of you about the product but I
can't force myself into faking it...

Enjoy

Hi-Jack....now this sounds a little more like you - informed!...Tomorrow, as a matter of courtsey, I'll try and respond with some constructive response....

Good to see you back on form!

K

Hi-Jack....now this sounds a little more like you - informed!...Tomorrow, as a matter of courtsey, I'll try and respond with some constructive response....

Good to see you back on form!

K

I'm calling BS on this. OldPainless is nothing but a shill for the resellers that Hi-Jack mentioned. Hi-Jack kept it totally real when he called these people out for their disingenuous praise of this inferior unit. But then quickly backed down. Why? I don't know. Maybe he accidentally touched one of these POS Lim(ited)HD boxes and must have gotten lead poisoning. :rolleyes:

I am interested in hearing the working methods as well. Ideally I would like to rip blu-ray with my PS3. Anyone doing this currently.

I use my sony blu ray drive, but I know it can be done. Check out slysoft.com, and go to the forum area under anydvd hd and do some searching. I know it has been discussed there.

Even Hi-Jack have to admit limHD200i is the best to support H.264 and VC1 decoding. The very duty of a High definition player is to play all formats of HD files smoothly. It would be meaningless talking about other things without fixing this problem.

I wasn't targeting you as probably you are one of the very few actually doing a
great job. Anyone following can see there's at least 20 resellers and employees
in this thread saying how well Tomacro is while it is not...

Eve you can't say mkv is pleasing you as it simply doesn't play the majority of the
files and clearly resources at Tomacro are insufficient to make progress fast
enough, hence we see most brands release weekly updates in beta stage...

You can't deny a lot of functionality is left out to provide maximum memory and
power for the files it can play well VC-1 etc... Where does that leave people who
want a full player? FF/RW skips ahead instead of being fluent, no progressive
zoom, FTP file transfer to avoid the need of connecting over USB, browse music
while playing back a file is not possible, the LCD does not show any onfo so you
can't use music without TV on, no BivX support, no Random for music, only 1 smb
source can be used and 1 NFS and it fails on 90% of mkv which i have to admit is
a bug and can be fixed probably easily int he near future...

Now how many months are neded to lift the general abilities of this player? What would it cost to rewrite the MP3 interface and code handling the music so one can browse during playback and not be stuck in a page? DVD ISO, better SMB/NFS? How much chance does it have to be ready before end of September when the
first EM8634 players arrive?

All i want is someone claiming how wonderfull this unit is proove me wrong all
these "basic things" are not limited and unsupported as then i would agree the
product is a good one. Most will say give them time to grow and I agree, but
then let everyone take their time before yelling at everyone how great it is or
that it will be "equaly performing" as the EM8634 which is bogus statement...

Maybe i'm saying things wrong, it does not make me a liar or unbiased. I welcome
any competition if it is a competition and I do not participate in commercial mumbo
jumbo to get units sold and get it function later. We can't pay later, they can't
deliver later..., at least for the basics they are yelling about... (in case you
compare to DVICo and my comments on them, they first made it work and then
came out, elease updates each 2-3 days with seruious progress etc...)




Tomacro is the best in VC-1, yes... no problem saying that...
Blu-Ray backups, cool... How 'bout all the rest? Those who don't care will not mind
it's missing and some of those are actually here in this thread. for general public
(the way I look at products) it needs more then 1 update and hopefully not 1 for
each month as that would be to slow to even become a familiar name before
the "real" players start that kick both Tomacro and TViX out of the field...

That's all I can say really... nothing against you. Au contraire, i respect what you
did so far. I look forward to progress too but hate the commercially tinted thread
this has become by the infest of resellers... It's those guys yelling about
everything is fine i target when saying "i'm not the one unbiased up here"...

I'll stick to my own forums now...
I said all i had to say and will follow progress in the coming weeks and months.
Hopefully one day I can be as positive as some of you about the product but I
can't force myself into faking it...

Enjoy


Seems that your job is to criticise the Lim. Are you a reseller of other units? You are really have lots of spare time to make so much comment. That is really good. But hopefully what you have said are objective enough, or everyone will be misled by you .Being commercially intended on this forum is not good conduct :D :D

I'm calling BS on this. OldPainless is nothing but a shill for the resellers that Hi-Jack mentioned. Hi-Jack kept it totally real when he called these people out for their disingenuous praise of this inferior unit. But then quickly backed down. Why? I don't know. Maybe he accidentally touched one of these POS Lim(ited)HD boxes and must have gotten lead poisoning. :rolleyes:
I think you should not talk nonsence on this forum. I think you are slandering oldpainless since he really does a lot of help to us selflessly .He is so warmhearted to do so many tests for us .And I want to know what help you did to us since you are so innocent and selfless?

I'm calling BS on this. OldPainless is nothing but a shill for the resellers that Hi-Jack mentioned. Hi-Jack kept it totally real when he called these people out for their disingenuous praise of this inferior unit. But then quickly backed down. Why? I don't know. Maybe he accidentally touched one of these POS Lim(ited)HD boxes and must have gotten lead poisoning. :rolleyes:

What?....been watching too many X-Files episodes I think!

Anyway.....sigh.....back to waiting for the next cut......

K

Well, so far I agree that MKV files are a problem. (ver 803).
Also the following trailers will not play correctly. (jerky playback and audio dropout).

Complete name : C:\Media\1052724.divx
Format : AVI
Format/Info : Audio Video Interleave
Format/Family : RIFF
File size : 309 MiB
PlayTime : 2mn 30s
Bit rate : 17 Mbps
StreamSize : 348 KiB

Video #0
Codec : DivX 4
Codec/Family : MPEG-4
Codec/Info : Project Mayo DivX 4
Codec settings/Packe : No
Codec settings/BVOP : No
Codec settings/QPel : No
Codec settings/GMC : 0
Codec settings/Matri : Default
PlayTime : 2mn 30s
Bit rate : 17 Mbps
Width : 1920 pixels
Height : 798 pixels
Aspect ratio : 2.406
Frame rate : 29.970 fps
Resolution : 8 bits
Chroma : 4:2:0
Interlacement : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.372
StreamSize : 307 MiB
Writing library : avc2.0.11.1110

Audio #0
Codec : MPEG-1 Audio layer 3
Codec profile : Joint stereo
Bit rate : 128 Kbps
Bit rate mode : CBR
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Sampling rate : 48 KHz
Resolution : 16 bits
StreamSize : 2.25 MiB
Writing library : Xing (new)
Coherency/PlayTime : 392

General #0
Complete name : C:\Media\1062488.divx
Format : AVI
Format/Info : Audio Video Interleave
Format/Family : RIFF
File size : 195 MiB
PlayTime : 2mn 8s
Bit rate : 13 Mbps
StreamSize : 274 KiB

Video #0
Codec : DivX 4
Codec/Family : MPEG-4
Codec/Info : Project Mayo DivX 4
Codec settings/Packe : No
Codec settings/BVOP : No
Codec settings/QPel : No
Codec settings/GMC : 0
Codec settings/Matri : Default
PlayTime : 2mn 8s
Bit rate : 13 Mbps
Width : 1920 pixels
Height : 798 pixels
Aspect ratio : 2.406
Frame rate : 23.976 fps
Resolution : 8 bits
Chroma : 4:2:0
Interlacement : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.342
StreamSize : 193 MiB
Writing library : avc2.0.11.1110

Audio #0
Codec : MPEG-1 Audio layer 3
Codec profile : Joint stereo
Bit rate : 128 Kbps
Bit rate mode : CBR
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Sampling rate : 48 KHz
Resolution : 16 bits
StreamSize : 1.92 MiB
Writing library : Xing (new)
Coherency/PlayTime : 335

General #0
Complete name : C:\Media\Dolphins_1080.wmv
Format : Windows Media
File size : 105 MiB
PlayTime : 1mn 43s
Bit rate : 397 Kbps
Date_Created : UTC 2096-10-07 21:32:42

Video #0
Codec : WMV3
Codec/Info : Windows Media Video 9
Bit rate : 9847 bps
Width : 1440 pixels
Height : 1080 pixels
Aspect ratio : 4/3
Resolution : 24 bits

Audio #0
Codec : WMA3
Codec/Info : Windows Media Audio 3
Bit rate : 384 Kbps
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Sampling rate : 48 KHz

I have my fingers crossed for the next firmware version... :)
Cheers

Seems that your job is to criticise the Lim. Are you a reseller of other units? You are really have lots of spare time to make so much comment. That is really good. But hopefully what you have said are objective enough, or everyone will be misled by you .Being commercially intended on this forum is not good conduct :D :D

I'm not a reseller...
Conker2007, for the sake of this thread i'm going to ignore you :-)

I'm not a reseller...
Conker2007, for the sake of this thread i'm going to ignore you :-)
Thank you, Hi-Jack, you can ignore me, but you can't ignore the truth, can't ignore the righteousness, can't ignore the honesty, can't ignore the conscience, can't ignore the ethic. Otherwise more people will kick your ass, and you will kiss your reputation and public trust good-bye!

I won't show any objection to you until your soul and your mouth all pass the RoHS certification.

I am just a common consumer of a LimHD200i, but for sake of the justice, I have already purchased a Tvix4100-SH, I will do a AB-comparison test on LimHD200i and Tvix4100 by my collection - 132 High-Definition movies, and i'll tell the test result as the first part of my comparison review.

I have been following this thread from the beginning and like now it has been if nothing, entertaining. All suspicions aside I think it is pretty clear that the lim is an over priced, over sized, imature network media player with limited potential but it is actively trying to improve.

I am not trying to be mean and I have no vested interest other than I am looking for another network media player. If one reads this thread, I just do not see how any other conclusion can be made. The lim is worth future consideration because they are actively trying to improve but for now the fact is that it is not ready for purchase.

Thank you, Hi-Jack, you can ignore me, but you can't ignore the truth, can't ignore the righteousness, can't ignore the honesty, can't ignore the conscience, can't ignore the ethic. Otherwise more people will kick your ass, and you will kiss your reputation and public trust good-bye!

I won't show any objection to you until your soul and your mouth all pass the RoHS certification.

I am just a common consumer of a LimHD200i, but for sake of the justice, I have already purchased a Tvix4100-SH, I will do a AB-comparison test on LimHD200i and Tvix4100 by my collection - 132 High-Definition movies, and i'll tell the test result as the first part of my comparison review.

Fantastic. That is what we really need. An AB comparison with the same files. Then, instead of bashing each other on this thread, you can report back to Tomacro AND Dvico so they can add/fix those issues.

Well, so far I agree that MKV files are a problem. (ver 803).
Also the following trailers will not play correctly. (jerky playback and audio dropout).

Complete name : C:\Media\1052724.divx
Format : AVI
Format/Info : Audio Video Interleave
Format/Family : RIFF
File size : 309 MiB
PlayTime : 2mn 30s
Bit rate : 17 Mbps
StreamSize : 348 KiB

Video #0
Codec : DivX 4
Codec/Family : MPEG-4
Codec/Info : Project Mayo DivX 4
Codec settings/Packe : No
Codec settings/BVOP : No
Codec settings/QPel : No
Codec settings/GMC : 0
Codec settings/Matri : Default
PlayTime : 2mn 30s
Bit rate : 17 Mbps
Width : 1920 pixels
Height : 798 pixels
Aspect ratio : 2.406
Frame rate : 29.970 fps
Resolution : 8 bits
Chroma : 4:2:0
Interlacement : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.372
StreamSize : 307 MiB
Writing library : avc2.0.11.1110

Audio #0
Codec : MPEG-1 Audio layer 3
Codec profile : Joint stereo
Bit rate : 128 Kbps
Bit rate mode : CBR
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Sampling rate : 48 KHz
Resolution : 16 bits
StreamSize : 2.25 MiB
Writing library : Xing (new)
Coherency/PlayTime : 392

General #0
Complete name : C:\Media\1062488.divx
Format : AVI
Format/Info : Audio Video Interleave
Format/Family : RIFF
File size : 195 MiB
PlayTime : 2mn 8s
Bit rate : 13 Mbps
StreamSize : 274 KiB

Video #0
Codec : DivX 4
Codec/Family : MPEG-4
Codec/Info : Project Mayo DivX 4
Codec settings/Packe : No
Codec settings/BVOP : No
Codec settings/QPel : No
Codec settings/GMC : 0
Codec settings/Matri : Default
PlayTime : 2mn 8s
Bit rate : 13 Mbps
Width : 1920 pixels
Height : 798 pixels
Aspect ratio : 2.406
Frame rate : 23.976 fps
Resolution : 8 bits
Chroma : 4:2:0
Interlacement : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.342
StreamSize : 193 MiB
Writing library : avc2.0.11.1110

Audio #0
Codec : MPEG-1 Audio layer 3
Codec profile : Joint stereo
Bit rate : 128 Kbps
Bit rate mode : CBR
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Sampling rate : 48 KHz
Resolution : 16 bits
StreamSize : 1.92 MiB
Writing library : Xing (new)
Coherency/PlayTime : 335

General #0
Complete name : C:\Media\Dolphins_1080.wmv
Format : Windows Media
File size : 105 MiB
PlayTime : 1mn 43s
Bit rate : 397 Kbps
Date_Created : UTC 2096-10-07 21:32:42

Video #0
Codec : WMV3
Codec/Info : Windows Media Video 9
Bit rate : 9847 bps
Width : 1440 pixels
Height : 1080 pixels
Aspect ratio : 4/3
Resolution : 24 bits

Audio #0
Codec : WMA3
Codec/Info : Windows Media Audio 3
Bit rate : 384 Kbps
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Sampling rate : 48 KHz

I have my fingers crossed for the next firmware version... :)
Cheers

Hi

Are you playing these on the Lim harddrive, USB HD or over NFS?

K

Hi

Are you playing these on the Lim harddrive, USB HD or over NFS?

K

The above are NFS..
The MKV files I have tried are on the Lim hard drive..

Cheers..

Conker2007,

We already tested mkv playback and the score was 91 (TViX) against 9 Tomacro.
You should at least wait until the mkv bugs are resolved.

You are right I can't ignore the honesty, can't ignore the conscience, can't ignore the ethic.
Since you have or are none of all these, I can ignore you. Now get a life, tell the truth and
we can end this nonsense. What I said is true about Tomacro if you like it or not and if your
test turn out different, then we'll be seriously questioning your motives.

Everyone admits the issues so what's your problem? I especially like the latest post from
DigitalKid 2, he put's it just right. Today it's not so good against it's price and promises.
Doesn't mean it doesn't get there with the efforts made by some people here and Tomacro.

I'm looking forward to your (thrutfull?) comparisson.

PS: The longer it takes you to agree with me, the longer I been ahead of you :-)
1 - VC-1 supports better bitrate on Tomacro
2 - Same for Blu-Ray
3 - mkv way below abilities of DvICo (due to bugs)
4 - General media player value way higher on TViX than on Tomacro (Tomacro very basic and limited in general functionality)

Enjoy
Hi-Jack

The above are NFS..
The MKV files I have tried are on the Lim hard drive..

Cheers..

oK...have you tried the files you had audio drop on the hard drive or usb hd?

K

Conker2007,

We already tested mkv playback and the score was 91 (TViX) against 9 Tomacro.
You should at least wait until the mkv bugs are resolved.

You are right I can't ignore the honesty, can't ignore the conscience, can't ignore the ethic.
Since you have or are none of all these, I can ignore you. Now get a life, tell the truth and
we can end this nonsense. What I said is true about Tomacro if you like it or not and if your
test turn out different, then we'll be seriously questioning your motives.

Everyone admits the issues so what's your problem? I especially like the latest post from
DigitalKid 2, he put's it just right. Today it's not so good against it's price and promises.
Doesn't mean it doesn't get there with the efforts made by some people here and Tomacro.

I'm looking forward to your (thrutfull?) comparisson.

PS: The longer it takes you to agree with me, the longer I been ahead of you :-)
1 - VC-1 supports better bitrate on Tomacro
2 - Same for Blu-Ray
3 - mkv way below abilities of DvICo (due to bugs)
4 - General media player value way higher on TViX than on Tomacro (Tomacro very basic and limited in general functionality)

Enjoy
Hi-Jack

Hi-Jack.....

This tread has raised an interesting question: Should Tomacro go head-to-head with Divco (Sun-Tzu would suggest not?), or offer something different?

Here's what we know:

The LimHD (with good material) looks better on larger screens
Has better VC-1 support
Has better Blu-Ray support
Better support for H.264 in a TS and AVI wrapper
Has better support for higher bitrate files.....

So, once MKV (720p/1080p) is stable.... Would we agree, that those that want a Hi-Def media player for big screen use (with primary focus on HD material), the LimHD would be the player of choice?......however, if someone wants an all round mature Hard Disk Media Player....prehaps the Tvix?

K

The above are NFS..
The MKV files I have tried are on the Lim hard drive..

Cheers..

Forgot to ask.....are you using SMB or NFS?....cus SMB is not as good as NFS...

K

Mark

Have you updated your NFS PDF guide to include the windows firewall settings etc?

K

1 - VC-1 supports better bitrate on Tomacro
2 - Same for Blu-Ray
3 - mkv way below abilities of DvICo (due to bugs)
4 - General media player value way higher on TViX than on Tomacro (Tomacro very basic and limited in general functionality)
That's absolutely a fair comparison. My impression about your posts in general is that you weigh your personal needs a bit too high and sometimes forget a bit about what other people may need. YOU want a general purpose media player which does everything including cooking meals for you and washing your clothes. So you rate the LimHD worse than the TViX because the TViX is a much better allrounder at this point in time (which nobody denies). But you rarely mention that the LimHD has noticable advantages over the TViX in some areas which may be so important to some people that the LimHD would be the much better buy for them.

E.g. my personal needs say this: I don't care about SD. I refuse to watch even a single SD movie. Show me a SD movie and I run out of the room, crying. I want playback of high bitrate VC-1 and h264 movies. Ok, I don't have a LimHD myself nor a TViX, so I can't really compare them. But for me the LimHD looks a lot more promising because of high bitrate support, especially with VC-1 and h264, and that is by far the most important thing for me. Maybe the TViX can improve their high bitrate support, maybe not. But at this point in time from what I've read the LimHD will play a lot more of MY movies (since I only have HD movies) than the TViX would. And in my opinion you are not weighing these advantages high enough for the LimHD.

Another thing you're ignoring is that the TViX has a fan and the LimHD does not. I absolutely *hate* fans in consumer devices and for me having a fanless design is worth a lot. But I don't remember you ever having mentioned that as a noteworthy advantage of the LimHD. Another thing that I rate highly and you totally drop on the floor.

Sure, you now may say (as you often do) that for high bitrate support we should wait for devices with the latest Sigma chipset. But then I'm asking you: Why should I wait if the LimHD plays high bitrate VC-1 and h264 stuff just fine today? Ok, if it's your opinion, you can recommend people to wait for the latest Sigma stuff. After all it's only fair to post your opinion. But that doesn't mean that it's worthless if the LimHD can already play even the highest bitrate h264 Blu-Ray movies today.

Hi-Jack.....

This tread has raised an interesting question: Should Tomacro go head-to-head with Divco (Sun-Tzu would suggest not?), or offer something different?

Here's what we know:

The LimHD (with good material) looks better on larger screens
Has better VC-1 support
Has better Blu-Ray support
Better support for H.264 in a TS and AVI wrapper
Has better support for higher bitrate files.....

So, once MKV (720p/1080p) is stable.... Would we agree, that those that want a Hi-Def media player for big screen use (with primary focus on HD material), the LimHD would be the player of choice?......however, if someone wants an all round mature Hard Disk Media Player....prehaps the Tvix?

K
I would argue that most of what 'we know' is really not quantitatively known, and where is the list of stuff that does NOT work?

I would also argue that if you change the intent of this player to be for very big screen HD viewing with some h264 capability then the facts still say that it is not ready for purchasing. There are simply too many other basic issues to ignore. I also do not think it was targeted for very large screen TVs only nor is it marketed as such, it is marketed as a network media player with a much broader intended use.

No way around it; it is a work in progress with limited potential and a long ways to go before it is ready for the market.

Conker2007,

We already tested mkv playback and the score was 91 (TViX) against 9 Tomacro.
You should at least wait until the mkv bugs are resolved.

You are right I can't ignore the honesty, can't ignore the conscience, can't ignore the ethic.
Since you have or are none of all these, I can ignore you. Now get a life, tell the truth and
we can end this nonsense. What I said is true about Tomacro if you like it or not and if your
test turn out different, then we'll be seriously questioning your motives.

Everyone admits the issues so what's your problem? I especially like the latest post from
DigitalKid 2, he put's it just right. Today it's not so good against it's price and promises.
Doesn't mean it doesn't get there with the efforts made by some people here and Tomacro.

I'm looking forward to your (thrutfull?) comparisson.

PS: The longer it takes you to agree with me, the longer I been ahead of you :-)
1 - VC-1 supports better bitrate on Tomacro
2 - Same for Blu-Ray
3 - mkv way below abilities of DvICo (due to bugs)
4 - General media player value way higher on TViX than on Tomacro (Tomacro very basic and limited in general functionality)

Enjoy
Hi-Jack

Need not to be worried, need not to be feared, don't even be ashamed, at least I would be fairer than you, because I am just a common consumer of a LimHD200i and Tvix4100-SH, I only tell what I see.

In addition, my hands will not become soft on LimHD200i or Tvix4100-SH, because I have no benefits with any groups.

However, if my review influence your benefits or the benefits of your partner, please don't get angry, Because you have already done your best.

I'll test the below HD files, and list all the file names for convenience of others test:
1) Mpeg2 files with various containers & bitrates;
2) VC-1 files with various containers & bitrates;
3) H.264 files with various containers & bitrates;
4) WMV9 files with various containers & bitrates;
5) Mpeg4 files with various containers & bitrates;
6) MKV files with various encoding formats & bitrates.

I reiterate my standpoint here, The very duty of a High definition player is to play all formats of HD files smoothly. It would be meaningless talking about other things without this.

If a High definition player can't play various HD files, It can't regard as same product of class, compare what? how to do a comparisson for an university student with a primary school student?

For all that, I still encourage to do the difficult comparison.

thanks

I would argue that most of what 'we know' is really not quantitatively known, and where is the list of stuff that does NOT work?

I would also argue that if you change the intent of this player to be for very big screen HD viewing with some h264 capability then the facts still say that it is not ready for purchasing. There are simply too many other basic issues to ignore. I also do not think it was targeted for very large screen TVs only nor is it marketed as such, it is marketed as a network media player with a much broader intended use.

No way around it; it is a work in progress with limited potential and a long ways to go before it is ready for the market.

MMMMmmm....interesting. I do think you are right that it's a work in progress, however, Hi-Jack has confirmed the the LimHD issues far less picture noise interferance (maybe because it has no fan?)...and I pretty much trust his quantative methods for testing that....

However, my point was, SHOULD Tomacro offer the same as Divco, or offer something different....which, from all the feedback that's coming in, they are.

The market is awash with Hard Disk Media Players.....and it seems that the Tvix is a good choice as a general all rounder for a hard disk media player (maybe even the market leader).....however, There is another market.....people like me....

Blu-ray....HD-DVD....blah blah blah.....and these consumers buy a BD or HD.DVD player because money is not an object and they are chasing image quality.....I think that's where the LimHD steps in....why chose a format when you don't have to?

Your comment was an interesting one when you said the LimHD had "some" H.264 capability.....to my knowledge, it's support in a TS and AVI container is more stable.

As I have said so many times in this thread....it's all down to preference and purpose.....I don't want a general hard disk media player....you are right there....I bought the LimHD as a High Definition Media Player.......so...ok....I'm biased!

LOL

And lastly, Conker, I dont want to offend you in any way....but please....NO MORE saber rattling....ok!

K

Yes, Conker.
Please test files on both devices, especially MKV because this format is widely used in the internet.
If possible, also give names of the clips you tested.

Madshi......

E.g. my personal needs say this: I don't care about SD. I refuse to watch even a single SD movie

I'm the same....I have a DVD collection over 650 strong....bought the best DVD player at the time....Denon 2910.......but....since having the Lim.....I've never switched it on.....my kids and wife know I will not watch an SD movie (even on a £650 upscale DVD player), so they don't even ask now...lol....so, for me its HD or no!....if it aint on the network/Hard Drive.....no thanks!...

Lol

K

Hi-Jack.....

This tread has raised an interesting question: Should Tomacro go head-to-head with Divco (Sun-Tzu would suggest not?), or offer something different?

Here's what we know:

The LimHD (with good material) looks better on larger screens
Has better VC-1 support
Has better Blu-Ray support
Better support for H.264 in a TS and AVI wrapper
Has better support for higher bitrate files.....

So, once MKV (720p/1080p) is stable.... Would we agree, that those that want a
Hi-Def media player for big screen use (with primary focus on HD material), the
LimHD would be the player of choice?......however, if someone wants an all round
mature Hard Disk Media Player....prehaps the Tvix?

K

Before i anwser, when i am 70 years old in 33 years, i'm going to write a book
gathering all stories posted in this forum by me as my messages are always long.
(Habit of trying to get the message clear...) Yes Conker2007, you can pre-order
one already :-)

Now to my answer to you dear fella oldpainless68
You asked that questions because I have to say yes (smart move) :-)

I would say so indeed today but there's always a but...
I would still be dissapointed over the general limits on how we can handle these
files (FTP transfer/NDAS, 1 network source limit, trick play, slow response FF/RW,
Pause / resume, music abilities (regrdless of HD important) etc...). It's exactly the
discussion I want to have to point at the progress made is too slow. What makes
it so special to "not" wait the same amount of time you have to wait for the FW to
be ready by Tomacro at the same time that 3rd generation is ready?

I believe in it's abilities, hence i've seen a few and I was impressed (do not
mistake with happy). Now i know the stamentent from Tomacro how EM8622 can
do everything the EM8634 can do right? I know I can install Vista on a PIII and it
would do the same on an Intel Extreme Dual Core but in a very different way
concerning speed, loading, calculating, decoding etc... Same for graphics, most
games play on any decent card but there's a world of difference if you take the
top cards to compare with.

It's a disease to have market knowledge as I do as it makes you think to deep
sometimes. if the players will only be doing HD very well and forget about
functionality it would suit a part of the consumers inside this niche market
which is already small. It would be different if functionality and HD would be
combined and the options it has would break open for some versatility and
not "forced use in some way" to reach more people.

Then we get to firmware. You need to sell quite some players to keep
development going and limiting the player abilities in "any" way is costing
customers. Customers want from these players generic players. If not enough
people buy, the features won't come and if we are honest we see things
progressing really slow so there's a questions of resources, enough available?

That leads me to my first question again...
What makes it so special to "not" wait the same amount of time you have to wait
for the FW to be ready by Tomacro at the same time that 3rd generation is ready?

No doubt there is no better choice for "solely" HD playback and i hope Tomacro
will enjoy it for the 4-6 weeks it has left to convince people to go for the
limHD200i instead of the third powerfull generation players. My personal opinion
(as customer) I am amazed by the abilities of the EM8622 chip and what they
have done with it, but as the other me all I see is great support for HD that
should eventually cover 25% of the unit and the other 75% is in it's childhood.

If only for HD playback, the unit must become a lot cheaper as for that kind of
money, i'd expect more in features, abilities, versatility. I repeated enough times
even I believe Tomacro to be the best for HD but then most people don't buy it
for HD only and it doesn't lift the amaturistic implementation of features, music
and trick play along with limitations of copying content over (convenience, user
friendly), SMB and NFS... thos are important too regardless of playing HD or SD...

My comments always come from an angle to look at things in general, for what it
is named (Multimedia player), price comparison and for general public interested
in Home Entertainment in general. It often conflicts with people focussing
on "one" thing they need or want... That's life :-)

I confirm it's the best for HD.
It ain't close to be a pleasing generic player though...

Hope this clears up some of my brainstorming on the situation...

PS: If not enough units sold, dev will stall in a blink of an eye and the player is not
mature enough to cintinue in it's current state... That's one side of the medal. I
repeat once more, features and versatility in options as networking, trick play and
other user options are equally important for both SD and HD.

PS2: Head to head with DviCO? No, absolutely not. Limiting to HD only as a focus,
absolutely not either... Too limited. if this had happenned 6 montjs ago (like
DvICo) i would be much more positive. Today, so close to more power and more
options, it just is to weak even with it's great support for HD. Even though a lot
of fun playing back the files, frustration will kick in eventually because you are
limited in function and ways of using the player once the "new" is wearing off...

Just my full 2 cents...

Enjoy
Hi-jack

MMMMmmm....interesting. I do think you are right that it's a work in progress, however, Hi-Jack has confirmed the the LimHD issues far less picture noise interferance (maybe because it has no fan?)...and I pretty much trust his quantative methods for testing that....

However, my point was, SHOULD Tomacro offer the same as Divco, or offer something different....which, from all the feedback that's coming in, they are.

The market is awash with Hard Disk Media Players.....and it seems that the Tvix is a good choice as a general all rounder for a hard disk media player (maybe even the market leader).....however, There is another market.....people like me....

Blu-ray....HD-DVD....blah blah blah.....and these consumers buy a BD or HD.DVD player because money is not an object and they are chasing image quality.....I think that's where the LimHD steps in....why chose a format when you don't have to?

Your comment was interesting one when you said the LimHD had "some" H.264 capability.....to my knowledge, it's support in a TS and AVI container is more stable.

As I have said so many times in this thread....it's all down to preference and purpose.....I don't want a general hard disk media player....you are right there....I bought the LimHD as a High Definition Media Player.......so...ok....I'm biased!

LOL

And lastly, Conker, I dont want to offend you in any way....but please....NO MORE saber rattling....ok!

K
You are biased that is clear. Would you pay $500-600 for any other consumer product that sort of works?

I am not sure it matters what the lim does compared to the 4100; partly because my opinion of the 4100 is not much better than of the lim and because the list of basic functions and things broken or hobbling on the lim speaks for itself. Focusing only on or justifying only based on PQ on a very wide screen TV is only a portion of the overall scope of what the lim says it can do.

The 4100, taken as a whole is more mature and a better value than the lim but it has some long stanging basic issues yet to be resolved. Combine that with releasing it without firmware to support the tuner is....well to say the least not good.

Have to agree on the release without tuner support was bad but clearly communicated up ahead! Hence I know the issues with TViX but their approach with community is excellent
and that is valuable for the community and for me as one working the scene since years.

Anyway, things have been said. message is clear who has which opinion...
Think people can balance the risks now and make up if they go for it or not...

Personally I would not have bought the TViX or the Tomacro. I would have sticked with the
EM8620 as a consumer until the em8634 was available. There's always a step in between
that despite many think it will not, hit it's own boundaries sooner than you think...

I must add (sorry I can't stop). People who love blu-ray have a Blu-Ray dvd
player. The market is already a niche market and the "people like you" who only
need HD blabla and Blu-Rau blabla is even smalle. Most countries don't have
loads of options, limited internet (10gb a month) to not be able downloading
4 gig files etc... so in the end not enough people like you buy the player and
will stall development as they would make losses on the products...

Enjoy
Hi-Jack

You are biased that is clear. Would you pay $500-600 for any other consumer product that sort of works?

I am not sure it matters what the lim does compared to the 4100; partly because my opinion of the 4100 is not much better than of the lim and because the list of basic functions and things broken or hobbling on the lim speaks for itself. Focusing only on or justifying only based on PQ on a very wide screen TV is only a portion of the overall scope of what the lim says it can do.

The 4100, taken as a whole is more mature and a better value than the lim but it has some long stanging basic issues yet to be resolved. Combine that with releasing it without firmware to support the tuner is....well to say the least not good.

I have just a few words in reponse....read the Tvix thread!

K

I must add (sorry I can't stop). People who love blu-ray have a Blu-Ray dvd
player. The market is already a niche market and the "people like you" who only
need HD blabla and Blu-Rau blabla is even smalle. Most countries don't have
loads of options, limited internet (10gb a month) to not be able downloading
4 gig files etc... so in the end not enough people like you buy the player and
will stall development as they would make losses...

MMmmmm.....we are more than you think my friend...

K

Focusing only on or justifying only based on PQ on a very wide screen TV is only a portion of the overall scope of what the lim says it can do.

I never justify.....folks have a choice.....

K

I have just a few words in reponse....read the Tvix thread!

K
I follow it very closely and have been since it started. I am not sure what your point is...so what is your point?

and......before I log off for the night (god knows what I'll come back to in the morning!)

Now to my answer to you dear fella oldpainless68
You asked that questions because I have to say yes (smart move) :-)

So, you lot following this thread.....you have many choices....

K

I never justify.....folks have a choice.....

K
So would you pay $500-600 for any other consumer product that sort of works?

I follow it very closely and have been since it started. I am not sure what your point is...so what is your point?

My point....nothing is perfect.....if you want that, surley you'd but a Sony or Microsoft product.... :rolleyes:

K

Maybe in the US things are different. Not in EU as us is more demanding on functionality unlike US and Asian world. In Asia they don't mind stacking 5 players, one for HD, a blu-ray, a HD DVD, e recorder and a Tomacro :-)

My comments always come from an angle to look at things in general, for what it is named (Multimedia player), price comparison and for general public interested in Home Entertainment in general. It often conflicts with people focussing on "one" thing they need or want...
That explains your view very nicely.

I guess most people posting in this thread are mostly interested in the HD capabilities. That's probably why you're surrounded by LimHD defenders here... :)

I confirm it's the best for HD.
It ain't close to be a pleasing generic player though...
I think most people would agree with that.

PS2: Head to head with DviCO? No, absolutely not. Limiting to HD only as a focus,
absolutely not either... Too limited.
And this again I do absolutely not agree with. If HD is your focus, what good is the TViX if it cannot do high bitrate VC-1 and h264? It's basically useless for me. So even if the LimHD is bad in many areas, it can't be worse than the TViX, as long as it does play high bitrate VC-1 and h264 stutter free. I don't need no fancy trick play stuff. I just need straight playback of high bitrate VC-1 and h264 content. That's it. Sure, all those pretty funny features would be nice to have. But the TViX doesn't even offer the very basics, namely fluid playback of high bitrate VC-1 and h264. So the TViX is a pos for HD playback (for me at least).

I did not mean compared to TViX;
I mend operational features as FTP Transfer, NDAS, SMB, NFS, Music, FF/rw, GoTo, speed of
loading, starting, resume, bookmark etc are equally important on the Tomacro regardless of
only HD or not... :-)

Let's ask some questions...

- Why is SMB and NFS limited to 1 sources?
- Why does it not detect shares on the network (broadcast) instead of limiting to 1? if not possible, why not offer multiple possibilities to add sources like maybe 2-3--4-5?
- Why is there no file transfer beyond USB? (FTP, Samba integrated or anything remotely)
- Why does FF/RW take 30 seconds to start spinning and 30 seconds te resume playback? Just like Pause/Play often.
- Why is there no progressive zoom?
- etc...

That doesn't sound like unreal to ask for HD files, does it?

Enjoy

Personally I would not have bought the TViX or the Tomacro. I would have sticked with the EM8620 as a consumer until the em8634 was available. There's always a step in between that despite many think it will not, hit it's own boundaries sooner than you think...



I am very strange BE, you always come out with this kind of view here - wait for 8634 products, why don't you deliver the same view in TVix thread.

Very simple why....
Dvico stands for the TViX to be a generic media player with abilities to support
mkv and VC-1. Tomacro stands for a full grown super mature HD player. Even I say to everyone if you can't wait pick one of these two depending on your needs. I stated I would not buy any of both. I stated Tomacro is better for HD.

Unfortunately i can't take part in all threads but trust me, also on MPC and any
other forums i participate on, i'm telling the same thing about how EM8622
players should be seen as generic players with abilities but for the real thing
one must wait for the new generation...

I also say the TvIX is more mature in general for the people looking for decent (not perfect) player that can do a little of everything... Anyone asking me for VC-1 and Blu-Ray support, i'll promptly throw tomato, i mean Tomacro at them :-)

Enjoy

My point....nothing is perfect.....if you want that, surley you'd but a Sony or Microsoft product.... :rolleyes:

K
Never used or even hinted at 'perfect' but the unit should be able to do what it says it can do or at least the vast majority of what it says it can do.

So lets say you purchased a HD DVD player for $500-600 and found out that it can only play some HD DVDs because the firmware was incomplete, you would be ok with that because we should not expect perfection?

But these devices are for the video enthusiasts... even Tvix took long time to be where it is now with the firmware updates.

I think there is a double standard that I see in here from some people. Yes, Tvix seems to be better right now than limHD, but these threads help the manufacturer square away bugs, etc to fix it...

Yes I also agree that w/ spending $300-$500, you'd want a device that works well. But we're all video enthusiasts and we know the ups/downs of getting these devices.

hell I spent $200 on an XBMC with accessories, and killed it because I tried to hack and do so many things with it (some of it my fault), but we know what we're playing with...

I like OldPainless, because he takes the time to tell us about his adventures with the device, and I also like Hi-Jack because he takes the time to tell us which device does what... but to go and throw that this device is better than that device, this early is really not the time, they're all in beta stage as far I am concerned ;)

-H

But these devices are for the video enthusiasts... even Tvix took long time to be where it is now with the firmware updates.

I think there is a double standard that I see in here from some people. Yes, Tvix seems to be better right now than limHD, but these threads help the manufacturer square away bugs, etc to fix it...

Yes I also agree that w/ spending $300-$500, you'd want a device that works well. But we're all video enthusiasts and we know the ups/downs of getting these devices.

hell I spent $200 on an XBMC with accessories, and killed it because I tried to hack and do so many things with it (some of it my fault), but we know what we're playing with...

I like OldPainless, because he takes the time to tell us about his adventures with the device, and I also like Hi-Jack because he takes the time to tell us which device does what... but to go and throw that this device is better than that device, this early is really not the time, they're all in beta stage as far I am concerned ;)

-H
Using your logic there should be a large prominent disclaimer warning the general public that the device may or may not work as advertised and that it is really intended for the informed accepting early adopter!

There are definitely some physical QC issues with this player based on the limited sample set of owners here on AVS (loose/stripped screws, VFD problems, scratched housings, etc.), but Tomacro could easily improve their appearance here, and maybe they will, now that we've pointed out the problems. The current rate of physical issues would make me hesistant to arrange that group purchase I mentioned way back. The limHD is quite heavy and shipping these internationally will be expensive, so any reseller abroad should probably be prepared to do minor repairs locally. Tomacro seems committed to improving the firmware - I just hope they get far enough along before moving on to a new model. From what I've read on AVS, this is an area where Dvico isn't so hot... addressing issues with still-recent previous-generation models like the 4000 series.

Using your logic there should be a large prominent disclaimer warning the general public that the device may or may not work as advertised and that it is really intended for the informed accepting early adopter!

Do you see large public buying these devices ?, I think not...

even the large chains don't offer these... the only media players you can find in Tigerdirects, and some online retailers are the Mvix brands and the Netgear EVA and maybe the Dlink media players...

I don't believe too many people know about digital connection, tvixbox or the Ebay section selling the limHD :)

Cheers
-H

Do you see large public buying these devices ?, I think not...

even the large chains don't offer these... the only media players you can find in Tigerdirects, and some online retailers are the Mvix brands and the Netgear EVA and maybe the Dlink media players...

I don't believe too many people know about digital connection, tvixbox or the Ebay section selling the limHD :)

Cheers
-H
That is really not relevent, the websites are there for any and all to stumble upon them. This thread probably only represents a small percentage of the people that have actually purchased the lim....even if just one unsuspecting sole finds the site and purchases the lim then that person has been decieved.

I agree that most, not all, of the people on this thread have or should have known what they were getting into but that does not make it right to essentially falsely advertise a systems capability given that the general public has access to the same sites we do.

/agree

that's why I like to buy things with 30 day money back guarantee :)

Need not to be worried, need not to be feared, don't even be ashamed, at least I would be fairer than you, because I am just a common consumer of a LimHD200i and Tvix4100-SH, I only tell what I see.

In addition, my hands will not become soft on LimHD200i or Tvix4100-SH, because I have no benefits with any groups.

However, if my review influence your benefits or the benefits of your partner, please don't get angry, Because you have already done your best.

I'll test the below HD files, and list all the file names for convenience of others test:
1) Mpeg2 files with various containers & bitrates;
2) VC-1 files with various containers & bitrates;
3) H.264 files with various containers & bitrates;
4) WMV9 files with various containers & bitrates;
5) Mpeg4 files with various containers & bitrates;
6) MKV files with various encoding formats & bitrates.

I reiterate my standpoint here, The very duty of a High definition player is to play all formats of HD files smoothly. It would be meaningless talking about other things without this.

If a High definition player can't play various HD files, It can't regard as same product of class, compare what? how to do a comparisson for an university student with a primary school student?

For all that, I still encourage to do the difficult comparison.

thanks

Yes, you are the man. I support you completely.


Guy~~
Please don't waste time to argue who is best?

Believe the Evidence.

Provide the test result to prove the best, OK?

Lets not lose sight of the fact that these are media players that also do some high def, not HD players primarily as has been stated.

These forums (in all categories) are not full of the general consumer (and the TVIX boxes are on general sale in the UK) but are generally full of people pushing the limits of what the hardware can do. (Be that in calibration, positioning, tweaking - choose your forum). Sadly these threads can degenerate a little as people lose sight of the fact that these boxes are designed for the much more NORMAL consumers out there (where the sales volume is). However that is boring, pushing it is what AVS is about.

I bought the TVIX 4100SH with the intention of playing several types of media, mainly video and it had to be stable, fast and useable by others. It has managed all of that. Personally I was, like Madshi, after an HD box but with other people using it it had to actually work easily.

Now anyone buying these for HD ONLY - especially the TVIX, should understand that these are pushing the limit of the processor. HiJAcks review months ago made no qualms that the 5100 is a stand in until the 5500 appears and that it has been raised in price too much vis a vis the 4000/5000. I was actually surprised about the ease that apple trailers played and understand that there are more difficult files.

When these players became available I saw and understood two approaches -
TVIX: Media player, faster than older series, stopgap till later models arrive, great media player, HD a bonus.
LIM: New on the block, plays media, going to be a MKV container player soon, good with HD files and almost certainly the best currently on market with VC1 etc, big, and apparently capable of doing all the newer chips will do...(ahem!)

So they both actually almost do what they said. TVIX plays most of my stuff barring some HD, and now it will get mkv support too, that was never promised or mentioned when bought. The Lim is getting there with .mkv support - as promised from the outset, and hopefully will become better at the other stuff (iso, ifo etc) as a bonus. And I guess later they will also build and 8634 player, it is the next future after all.....

Horses for courses. But they do have to sell in reasonable numbers to support the company. It is also great to see competition, with no Lim there would probably have never been TVIX trying to make mkv work.

This thread was very useful when people were reporting their findings, when oldpainless has been trying to convert mkv to ts and when HiJack originally reviewed the TVIX. Since then people seem to have having taken sides because they have had to become defensive. It is NOT so useful attacking each other. We should all understand that we have different need - I explained mine.

I am looking forward to finding out what files play when the .mkv firmwares are released. I am also interested in conkers picture quality test.
I am even more looking forward to an 8634 player that can do this all at tickover............

oK...have you tried the files you had audio drop on the hard drive or usb hd?

K

As soon as I get access to my laptop, I will transfer the files across.
The network is NFS.

cheers..

I would argue that most of what 'we know' is really not quantitatively known, and where is the list of stuff that does NOT work?

I would also argue that if you change the intent of this player to be for very big screen HD viewing with some h264 capability then the facts still say that it is not ready for purchasing. There are simply too many other basic issues to ignore. I also do not think it was targeted for very large screen TVs only nor is it marketed as such, it is marketed as a network media player with a much broader intended use.

No way around it; it is a work in progress with limited potential and a long ways to go before it is ready for the market.
Have you found any other media player which you think is perfect enough ?
You think TVIX is ready for the market?
Can you tell us what is your 'ready ' refer to ? How ready should it be when we can call it ready ? What do you think is the most important function a HD player should have?

Yes, you are the man. I support you completely.


Guy~~
Please don't waste time to argue who is best?

Believe the Evidence.

Provide the test result to prove the best, OK?

get real Spedia,
A bug on the LimHD200i currently causes MKV to fail 90%.
What good will his test be? he should wait for a FW fix...

Lets not lose sight of the fact that these are media players that also do some high def, not HD players primarily as has been stated.

These forums (in all categories) are not full of the general consumer (and the TVIX boxes are on general sale in the UK) but are generally full of people pushing the limits of what the hardware can do. (Be that in calibration, positioning, tweaking - choose your forum). Sadly these threads can degenerate a little as people lose sight of the fact that these boxes are designed for the much more NORMAL consumers out there (where the sales volume is). However that is boring, pushing it is what AVS is about.

I bought the TVIX 4100SH with the intention of playing several types of media, mainly video and it had to be stable, fast and useable by others. It has managed all of that. Personally I was, like Madshi, after an HD box but with other people using it it had to actually work easily.

Now anyone buying these for HD ONLY - especially the TVIX, should understand that these are pushing the limit of the processor. HiJAcks review months ago made no qualms that the 5100 is a stand in until the 5500 appears and that it has been raised in price too much vis a vis the 4000/5000. I was actually surprised about the ease that apple trailers played and understand that there are more difficult files.

When these players became available I saw and understood two approaches -
TVIX: Media player, faster than older series, stopgap till later models arrive, great media player, HD a bonus.
LIM: New on the block, plays media, going to be a MKV container player soon, good with HD files and almost certainly the best currently on market with VC1 etc, big, and apparently capable of doing all the newer chips will do...(ahem!)

So they both actually almost do what they said. TVIX plays most of my stuff barring some HD, and now it will get mkv support too, that was never promised or mentioned when bought. The Lim is getting there with .mkv support - as promised from the outset, and hopefully will become better at the other stuff (iso, ifo etc) as a bonus. And I guess later they will also build and 8634 player, it is the next future after all.....

Horses for courses. But they do have to sell in reasonable numbers to support the company. It is also great to see competition, with no Lim there would probably have never been TVIX trying to make mkv work.

This thread was very useful when people were reporting their findings, when oldpainless has been trying to convert mkv to ts and when HiJack originally reviewed the TVIX. Since then people seem to have having taken sides because they have had to become defensive. It is NOT so useful attacking each other. We should all understand that we have different need - I explained mine.

I am looking forward to finding out what files play when the .mkv firmwares are released. I am also interested in conkers picture quality test.
I am even more looking forward to an 8634 player that can do this all at tickover............

Brillinat!!
Just 1 small issue.... DViCo never launched it public to go after mkv but had the
intention ever since the models had been released and communicated this
towards several admins of popular forums long before anyone knew the lim exists...

But man, you got the right picture... :-)

Have you found any other media player which you think is perfect enough ?
You think TVIX is ready for the market?
Can you tell us what is your 'ready ' refer to ? How ready should it be when we can call it ready ? What do you think is the most important function a HD player should have?

Should we really go into this when asked by a reseller who likes to sell his units?
It is 100% sure you will not accept any reasoning behind our remarks as a reseller
or you would be damaging your sales.

Why is it so hard to admit the obvious that TViX is far more mature in operations
and use, more versatile and the only edge the lim has over it is it's support for HD
files (and then limited in somewhat more stable image and bitrate)

Anyone doing real tests from a consumer angle will come to that conclusion as it's
so clear where the differences are. It doesn't mean the one is perfect or the other
one is a piece of junk, it means all players need serious further updates but the
one need less updates than the other...

As so many times before, tell me why the player is sio great beyond it's abilities of
HD playback and I mean concerning QC, User Operations, Possibilities beside HD
playback, interface, Music etc... Let's hear your sales arguments please without
any word about HD Files supported...

The player ain't ready for mass consumption, the player is immature.
A car that has no steering wheel and can reach 250 mh can only go straight ahead and can only be used on landing strips.
Would you prefer a car with steering wheel that only reaches 180 mh and takes you anywhere?

Enjoy
Hi-jack

As soon as I get access to my laptop, I will transfer the files across.
The network is NFS.

cheers..


Ok....let me know if that cures your issue....

K

This thread is getting rather bloated, isn't it time to open a comparison thread? And move some posts to the new thread?

This thread is getting rather bloated, isn't it time to open a comparison thread? And move some posts to the new thread?

The thread was fine until Hi-Jack started thread crapping. Doesn't AVS have a rule against thread crapping like other forums? Any mods out there?

The thread was fine until Hi-Jack started thread crapping. Doesn't AVS have a rule against thread crapping like other forums? Any mods out there?

Well...let's just move on......

Hopefully, we'll have word of the next cut of firmware soon... :D

K

Looks like Divco has just released beta firmware with solid 720p MKV support but poor 1080p MKV support.........so....who's gonna be the 1st one to perfect it.....Fan/Jackie - Over to you...

K

This problem is detected to be in the Sigma low-level firmware.
When they issue a fix all the players will have it fixed at the same time :)
(provided that the player supports 1080p MKVs without other problems)

Need not to be worried, need not to be feared, don't even be ashamed, at least I would be fairer than you, because I am just a common consumer of a LimHD200i and Tvix4100-SH, I only tell what I see.

In addition, my hands will not become soft on LimHD200i or Tvix4100-SH, because I have no benefits with any groups.

However, if my review influence your benefits or the benefits of your partner, please don't get angry, Because you have already done your best.

I'll test the below HD files, and list all the file names for convenience of others test:
1) Mpeg2 files with various containers & bitrates;
2) VC-1 files with various containers & bitrates;
3) H.264 files with various containers & bitrates;
4) WMV9 files with various containers & bitrates;
5) Mpeg4 files with various containers & bitrates;
6) MKV files with various encoding formats & bitrates.

I reiterate my standpoint here, The very duty of a High definition player is to play all formats of HD files smoothly. It would be meaningless talking about other things without this.

If a High definition player can't play various HD files, It can't regard as same product of class, compare what? how to do a comparisson for an university student with a primary school student?

For all that, I still encourage to do the difficult comparison.

thanks

Now, it will be very interesting to see conker2007's results, especially when Dvico has released its new firmware. Right now, I have to use an HTPC (a $900, after rebate, HP m8120n Quadcore with 3GB Memory and 2x320GB HDDs) for all of my HD materials which is, to my experience, way ahead of both Tvix and Lim had to offer. I myself owned a 4100SH and it's good of almost anything but high br HDs and thanks to Tomacro that Dvico had to look into mkv issues. Competition is always good for our end users, isn't it?

This problem is detected to be in the Sigma low-level firmware.
When they issue a fix all the players will have it fixed at the same time :)
(provided that the player supports 1080p MKVs without other problems)

Hi Russland....are you sure about this information?...the reason why I question it is that upto 1 month ago....it was impossible that any of these players would support MKV......if your right, this kinda smacks of manufactures playing games to make people wait for the next chip.....don't you think? If there is only one thing Tomacro has bought to the table....it's a kick up the backside for other HD players...which can only be good for us lot... ;)

K

Now, it will be very interesting to see conker2007's results, especially when Dvico has released its new firmware. Right now, I have to use an HTPC (a $900, after rebate, HP m8120n Quadcore with 3GB Memory and 2x320GB HDDs) for all of my HD materials which is, to my experience, way ahead of both Tvix and Lim had to offer. I myself owned a 4100SH and it's good of almost anything but high br HDs and thanks to Tomacro that Dvico had to look into mkv issues. Competition is always good for our end users, isn't it?

Hell yes! :D .....it's what drove us out of the caves....

K

Hi, Kevin.
Of course, I am not sure about this info because I am not a developer of any firmware. The information comes from Dvico developers when they tried to fine-tune 1080p playback.
Even if it is a sigma firmware flaw, some device manufacturers can fix it themselves. I've read somewhere that Ziova developers rewrote some parts of low-level firmware and achieved better network speeds in earlier devices.
Hopefully, Tomacro or Dvico or Sigma Designs will improve 1080p MKV playback.

Hi, Kevin.
Of course, I am not sure about this info because I am not a developer of any firmware. The information comes from Dvico developers when they tried to fine-tune 1080p playback.
Even if it is a sigma firmware flaw, some device manufacturers can fix it themselves. I've read somewhere that Ziova developers rewrote some parts of low-level firmware and achieved better network speeds in earlier devices.
Hopefully, Tomacro or Dvico or Sigma Designs will improve 1080p MKV playback.

Russ

When you say fine tune 1080p, do you mean in general?......apart from MKV 1080p....never had a problem with 1080p material on the Lim....I think from what I've been told, Tomacro are cutting their own low level code.

K

Yes, in general.

In fact I have one 720p MKV file that has macroblocks in TViX. They say that almost all 720p MKVs are fine but some can have this problem.
A month ago I tried to remux it into a .TS file and tested on TViX - I had the same macroblocks. Also, you tried the .TS file on limHD and had the same macroblocks.
We thought that it was the source that had this problem. However, when I played original MKV or remuxed TS on my PC through Media Player Classic then I got smooth picture without any problems.
All this makes me think that sigma low-level FW has a bug somewhere that causes this macroblocking in high-bitrate content and even in 720p sometimes.

Ok....let me know if that cures your issue....

K

It's going to take more than a laptop to cure some of my issues... :eek:

Cheers :D

It is certain a sigma SDK low level issue.

I am suspicious into believing the mkv playback is a software trick :-)

It's possible for vendors to rewrite parts of the low level code but this can have serious
consequences too. Learning the code is already a hard thing to do in detail, knowing what
is linked to what deep down... Think it might be an issue until Sigma resolves it.

Cross fingers and hope for the best...
If it is Sigma reltaed, the support is already done for the files on both units so it
won't be a question of who comes first (and never has been to me beside who
does it "ok" first)

FAN,
Can you unblock news stop? It's bad for the company. At least get us some info about how
long people must wait for another update fixing mkv playback or conker can't test (he would
look silly with his claims of everything is perfect to test on the current version since it
doesn't work).

If we know what to expect, it's a lot easier. Over time silence will kill interest for sure...
So comon, be a sprots, ignore me and post news :-)

The thread was fine until Hi-Jack started thread crapping. Doesn't AVS have a rule against thread crapping like other forums? Any mods out there?

Moderators understand the sake of discussion and there's at least as many
sharing my opinion just like yours. Hence, that's what a forum is for partially
so live with it.

Just because i disagree with you or I have a way of telling things so they get into
your head doesn't mean i'm wrong, spoiling the thread or anything. Now let's quit
the attacks on people dissagreeing with the wonderfull picture you are displaying
of the product and "show" me wrong to proove i'm spoiling this thing.

You can't? Too bad. Tough luck!
Move on!

Was a discussion, maybe a little too heavy but nice to have anyway.
Now i'll wait for the next big thing to happen before you'll hear me again...

Enjoy

Hi, guys

I have already completed the first part of my whole test, and logged the result in a PDF document - 'Lim vs Tvix Review - Part01', you can download it as a reference.

Note: There may be a little difference between the test result according to my HD collection and others. welcome other tests, thus it would be more overall so and more fairer. so I have no conclusion now, just give the test data.

Thanks

Results seem to be ok..
The TViX mainly stutter and blocks on movies having bitrate higher than 26000
because of the limited memory available to process against the limHD200i. Glad
your tests proove once more that what i was saying is true where the limHD200i
reaches these only because of nothing else under the hood eating memory
(limited ability to grow in options or it would cost speed and memory for playback)

Fan, i have a tip for your development teams.
What if you would add FTP file transfer instead of forcing connection to PC to
migrate files to the internal HDD and offer an option in setup to start and stop
the FTP service. It would leave memory free when unused for the insuring the
playback remains at a top level... At least it tackles 1 of the limitations already.

For SMB/NFS I would suggest adding more resources to be available. Either
detect shares (smb) or allow mutiple sources to be used. Thos two with adding
progressive zoom and better FF/rw support would already lift the player's ability
for a decent part...

Enjoy
Hi-Jack

Looks like Divco has just released beta firmware with solid 720p MKV support but poor 1080p MKV support.........so....who's gonna be the 1st one to perfect it.....Fan/Jackie - Over to you...

K
Tomacro now is making great efforts to develope the new functions and has made great progress, meanwhile pefect all the functions of the Lim, so in the near future you will find unexpected astonishment. you know as business secret, they do not want to let out.So I also do not know the detailed thing. Thank you for your understanding. :)

Hi, guys

I have already completed the first part of my whole test, and logged the result in a PDF document - 'Lim vs Tvix Review - Part01', you can download it as a reference.

Note: There may be a little difference between the test result according to my HD collection and others. welcome other tests, thus it would be more overall so and more fairer. so I have no conclusion now, just give the test data.

Thanks

Good tests....well done....

K

Results seem to be ok..
The TViX mainly stutter and blocks on movies having bitrate higher than 26000
because of the limited memory available to process against the limHD200i. Glad
your tests proove once more that what i was saying is true where the limHD200i
reaches these only because of nothing else under the hood eating memory
(limited ability to grow in options or it would cost speed and memory for playback)

Fan, i have a tip for your development teams.
What if you would add FTP file transfer instead of forcing connection to PC to
migrate files to the internal HDD and offer an option in setup to start and stop
the FTP service. It would leave memory free when unused for the insuring the
playback remains at a top level... At least it tackles 1 of the limitations already.

For SMB/NFS I would suggest adding more resources to be available. Either
detect shares (smb) or allow mutiple sources to be used. Thos two with adding
progressive zoom and better FF/rw support would already lift the player's ability
for a decent part...

Enjoy
Hi-Jack

Hi-Jack......that was my point....they could add all sorts of features, but it would be at the expense of overall Hi-Def playback...

K

The thread was fine until Hi-Jack started thread crapping. Doesn't AVS have a rule against thread crapping like other forums? Any mods out there?
I totally agree with you. I also dislike Hi-jack's crapping. He makes all members greatly perturbed. It seems that he is quarreling with all the Lim lovers. we all customers like the objective comments. But not Hi-jack's. As l know, Hi-jack is the reseller of Divco. Dvico pay him lots of money to promote their products besides serving him a travel to Korea for free.we can understand his conduct to advertise his products . But all of us need objective comments not his own yelling.

Guess you don't know me at all...
Anyway i'm out now so you guys can keep telling each other objective lies :-)

Arrivederci...

Should we really go into this when asked by a reseller who likes to sell his units?
It is 100% sure you will not accept any reasoning behind our remarks as a reseller
or you would be damaging your sales.

Why is it so hard to admit the obvious that TViX is far more mature in operations
and use, more versatile and the only edge the lim has over it is it's support for HD
files (and then limited in somewhat more stable image and bitrate)

Anyone doing real tests from a consumer angle will come to that conclusion as it's
so clear where the differences are. It doesn't mean the one is perfect or the other
one is a piece of junk, it means all players need serious further updates but the
one need less updates than the other...

As so many times before, tell me why the player is sio great beyond it's abilities of
HD playback and I mean concerning QC, User Operations, Possibilities beside HD
playback, interface, Music etc... Let's hear your sales arguments please without
any word about HD Files supported...

The player ain't ready for mass consumption, the player is immature.
A car that has no steering wheel and can reach 250 mh can only go straight ahead and can only be used on landing strips.
Would you prefer a car with steering wheel that only reaches 180 mh and takes you anywhere?

Enjoy
Hi-jack
But Hi-jack, I am a little confused. for a media player. Aren't stable image, high stable bitrate and HD Files supported the most important qulities for the HD media player?
As the reseller of Tvix, your comments are also too subjective,aren't they? so personally maybe you need to keep quiet because the users of these two units will supply us more objective comments. Hope people will not misled by you. :cool:

But Hi-jack, I am a little confused. for a media player. Aren't stable image, high stable bitrate and HD Files supported the most important qulities for the HD media player?
As the reseller of Tvix, your comments are also too subjective,aren't they? so personally maybe you need to keep quiet because the users of these two units will supply us more objective comments. Hope people will not misled by you. :cool:

This was what I was saying - Hi-Def media player= high bitrate, image quality & format support. Hard Disk media player= trick functions, etc etc etc....eg..lots of features.

For me, I wanted a Hi-Def media player....if I wanted an all round general Hard Disk media player, Hi-Jack is right, I would have gone for the Tvix.........but like I said, I wanted a Hi-Def player....

Anyways.....Jackie, do you have any idea when we are likley to see the next cut?

K

Hi, guys

I have already completed the first part of my whole test, and logged the result in a PDF document - 'Lim vs Tvix Review - Part01', you can download it as a reference.

Note: There may be a little difference between the test result according to my HD collection and others. welcome other tests, thus it would be more overall so and more fairer. so I have no conclusion now, just give the test data.

Thanks

Good test and comparison of the players. Would it be possible to also test each of those files over NFS Network share? We could quickly see maximum supported NFS bitrate.

Hi, guys

I have already completed the first part of my whole test, and logged the result in a PDF document - 'Lim vs Tvix Review - Part01', you can download it as a reference.

Note: There may be a little difference between the test result according to my HD collection and others. welcome other tests, thus it would be more overall so and more fairer. so I have no conclusion now, just give the test data.

Thanks

Thanks, Conker.
I just wanted to ask what TViX FW you used for testing.
You specified 1.22 in your document, is it 1.0.22 or 1.2.2?

But Hi-jack, I am a little confused. for a media player. Aren't stable image, high stable bitrate and HD Files supported the most important qulities for the HD media player?
As the reseller of Tvix, your comments are also too subjective,aren't they? so personally maybe you need to keep quiet because the users of these two units will supply us more objective comments. Hope people will not misled by you. :cool:

I'm not a reseler, i'm a hardware reviewer and run a media community in Europe. I want people to understand the product mainly and know what they get. For Tomacro, the player is great with HD files (stability is excluded as difference is tiny minimal for stability) at the cost of leaving the file handling and options immature.

As before, the market for these players is small, the fact new generation is coming makes it even smaller and then they limit the player to max HD support so the customers it can reach is again smaller (mainly those who "only" need HD) so how they going to earn enough money to keep evelopment going. Currently we already see progress is slow, no? Is there enough resources? Will they manage to find the right balance?

If only playback is concerned with n o options, one might as well keep using it's PC. Iùn not saying DVICo is a better HD player, it's more mature in general and I would not recommend it for playing back VC-1, mkv and other as main reason for your purchases... same thing with Tomacro... I would recommend it for only these files but that leaves 60 - 70% of the unit to useless for options, functionality, music etc... (some say they don't ned it but most do)

If only to be used for VC-1 and Blu-Ray, ok. But as soon as more people buy it there will be people longing for other features and options, improvements etc... and if Tomacro wants to make them happy, it would have to lower performance to play these files in order to implement the features requested or ignore consumers...

It's a loose / loose situation as for sure you can't prevent users who want
normal functions to buy it and comments will grow. So Tomacro is destined to
satisfy only part of it's consumers by it's goals (great goals but limited). I
repeat, neither DViCo or Tomacro will be full grown players for these formats
regardless of how good they perform. they remain HD players not mend to do
these... the EM8634 is mend for it.

How fast you think it will be outdated arriving so late and immature?
It's all valid questions, no?

With the new generation it is perfectly possible to run performance for these files side by side with the options Tomacro will now not implement to preserve full memory to reach the bitrates... I would consider that a proper assessement of the situation we are in today. If Tomacro would have been released 6 months ago, we would have a total different opinion on that...

Anyway...
I like the abilities, don't like the limitations and I don't think they can be lifted without breaking the things i like now...

As far as objective comments go...
If one only tests files we know run better on Tomacro than on TViX, that's objective? How about adding 100 files of MKV where we know tomacro can't handle them (same thing). If we would strip down the DViCo to only do HD it would most likely reach the same bitrate and so on... but we can't do that as value in general is higher then targeted minimal clubs of HD Fanatics... (problem there too, most have BD player and scalers etc.... No use for Tomacro...)
How about features, options, SD format performance, subtitles, versatility, network abilities...?
That's a product review objective and complete... not just running files with bitrates we know tomacro handles better because it's empty under the hood with no ability to grow without damaging it's status as HD player...

An unloaded food truck usually is faster than a loaded truck... the loaded truck is more valuable if your hungry, ain't it?

Enjoy

I'm not a reseler, i'm a hardware reviewer and run a media community in Europe. I want people to understand the product mainly and know what they get. For Tomacro, the player is great with HD files (stability is excluded as difference is tiny minimal for stability) at the cost of leaving the file handling and options immature.

As before, the market for these players is small, the fact new generation is coming makes it even smaller and then they limit the player to max HD support so the customers it can reach is again smaller (mainly those who "only" need HD) so how they going to earn enough money to keep evelopment going. Currently we already see progress is slow, no? Is there enough resources? Will they manage to find the right balance?

If only playback is concerned with n o options, one might as well keep using it's PC. Iùn not saying DVICo is a better HD player, it's more mature in general and I would not recommend it for playing back VC-1, mkv and other as main reason for your purchases... same thing with Tomacro... I would recommend it for only these files but that leaves 60 - 70% of the unit to useless for options, functionality, music etc... (some say they don't ned it but most do)

If only to be used for VC-1 and Blu-Ray, ok. But as soon as more people buy it there will be people longing for other features and options, improvements etc... and if Tomacro wants to make them happy, it would have to lower performance to play these files in order to implement the features requested or ignore consumers...

It's a loose / loose situation as for sure you can't prevent users who want
normal functions to buy it and comments will grow. So Tomacro is destined to
satisfy only part of it's consumers by it's goals (great goals but limited). I
repeat, neither DViCo or Tomacro will be full grown players for these formats
regardless of how good they perform. they remain HD players not mend to do
these... the EM8634 is mend for it.

How fast you think it will be outdated arriving so late and immature?
It's all valid questions, no?

With the new generation it is perfectly possible to run performance for these files side by side with the options Tomacro will now not implement to preserve full memory to reach the bitrates... I would consider that a proper assessement of the situation we are in today. If Tomacro would have been released 6 months ago, we would have a total different opinion on that...

Anyway...
I like the abilities, don't like the limitations and I don't think they can be lifted without breaking the things i like now...

As far as objective comments go...
If one only tests files we know run better on Tomacro than on TViX, that's objective? How about adding 100 files of MKV where we know tomacro can't handle them (same thing). If we would strip down the DViCo to only do HD it would most likely reach the same bitrate and so on... but we can't do that as value in general is higher then targeted minimal clubs of HD Fanatics... (problem there too, most have BD player and scalers etc.... No use for Tomacro...)
How about features, options, SD format performance, subtitles, versatility, network abilities...?
That's a product review objective and complete... not just running files with bitrates we know tomacro handles better because it's empty under the hood with no ability to grow without damaging it's status as HD player...

An unloaded food truck usually is faster than a loaded truck... the loaded truck is more valuable if your hungry, ain't it?

Enjoy

Totaly agree with you, i think there is nothing to say anymore.

cHarOn

I'm not a reseler, i'm a hardware reviewer and run a media community in Europe. I want people to understand the product mainly and know what they get. For Tomacro, the player is great with HD files (stability is excluded as difference is tiny minimal for stability) at the cost of leaving the file handling and options immature.

As before, the market for these players is small, the fact new generation is coming makes it even smaller and then they limit the player to max HD support so the customers it can reach is again smaller (mainly those who "only" need HD) so how they going to earn enough money to keep evelopment going. Currently we already see progress is slow, no? Is there enough resources? Will they manage to find the right balance?

If only playback is concerned with n o options, one might as well keep using it's PC. Iùn not saying DVICo is a better HD player, it's more mature in general and I would not recommend it for playing back VC-1, mkv and other as main reason for your purchases... same thing with Tomacro... I would recommend it for only these files but that leaves 60 - 70% of the unit to useless for options, functionality, music etc... (some say they don't ned it but most do)

If only to be used for VC-1 and Blu-Ray, ok. But as soon as more people buy it there will be people longing for other features and options, improvements etc... and if Tomacro wants to make them happy, it would have to lower performance to play these files in order to implement the features requested or ignore consumers...

It's a loose / loose situation as for sure you can't prevent users who want
normal functions to buy it and comments will grow. So Tomacro is destined to
satisfy only part of it's consumers by it's goals (great goals but limited). I
repeat, neither DViCo or Tomacro will be full grown players for these formats
regardless of how good they perform. they remain HD players not mend to do
these... the EM8634 is mend for it.

How fast you think it will be outdated arriving so late and immature?
It's all valid questions, no?

With the new generation it is perfectly possible to run performance for these files side by side with the options Tomacro will now not implement to preserve full memory to reach the bitrates... I would consider that a proper assessement of the situation we are in today. If Tomacro would have been released 6 months ago, we would have a total different opinion on that...

Anyway...
I like the abilities, don't like the limitations and I don't think they can be lifted without breaking the things i like now...

As far as objective comments go...
If one only tests files we know run better on Tomacro than on TViX, that's objective? How about adding 100 files of MKV where we know tomacro can't handle them (same thing). If we would strip down the DViCo to only do HD it would most likely reach the same bitrate and so on... but we can't do that as value in general is higher then targeted minimal clubs of HD Fanatics... (problem there too, most have BD player and scalers etc.... No use for Tomacro...)
How about features, options, SD format performance, subtitles, versatility, network abilities...?
That's a product review objective and complete... not just running files with bitrates we know tomacro handles better because it's empty under the hood with no ability to grow without damaging it's status as HD player...

An unloaded food truck usually is faster than a loaded truck... the loaded truck is more valuable if your hungry, ain't it?

Enjoy

Every media player has its own shortcomings including Tvix.But if its main advantages can compensate and cover its disadvantages as Lim,that is what we want to see. LimHD200i is developing. Anyhow I like my Lim and I get lots of fun with it. I am hungry but my Lim can make me full.:D:D:D

This was what I was saying - Hi-Def media player= high bitrate, image quality & format support. Hard Disk media player= trick functions, etc etc etc....eg..lots of features.

For me, I wanted a Hi-Def media player....if I wanted an all round general Hard Disk media player, Hi-Jack is right, I would have gone for the Tvix.........but like I said, I wanted a Hi-Def player....

Anyways.....Jackie, do you have any idea when we are likley to see the next cut?

K

Hello kevin! there still no news of the new cut.Tomacro are now busy with the perfectibility of MKV. Thank you for your attention.
Jackie

Hello kevin! there still no news of the new cut.Tomacro are now busy with the perfectibility of MKV. Thank you for your attention.
Jackie

Thanks Jackie......look forward to getting it when it's ready...

Kevin