Tomacro limHD200i HD media player with H.264

[Mark Fontana]

Just found another streaming HD media player that supports H.264- the Tomacro limHD200i (http://www.limhd.com/en/main.asp) (also see the limHD200i product page (http://www.tomacro.com/english/ProductShow.htm) on Tomacro's main site). The feature set they've posted looks pretty good and the design is certainly attractive. Could be good competition for the Tvix 4100SH/5100SH for those not interested in DVR capability. Does anyone know more about this product?

http://www.tomacro.com/english/image/HD200i.jpg

Storage: IDE 3.5" HDD (PATA?)

File System: NTFS / FAT32

I/O ports:

USB 2.0 Host x 2 (Can be used for connecting external USB HDDs, thumbdisks, etc.)
USB 2.0 Device (Can be used for connecting PC)
10/100Mbit LAN

A/V ports:

HDMI （with embedded audio）
VGA / YPbPr / RGB
S-video port
Composite Video
Stereo Output (Audio R/L)
Coaxial SPDIF
Optical SPDIF

Media formats:

Video: MPEG1/2/4 .mpg, .tp, .ts, .wmv, VC-1, DivX, XviD, DVD ISO/VOB, H.264
Audio: MP3, AAC, WAV, WMA, OGG
Image: JPG, BMP

Supported output resolutions:

NTSC (480i / 480p)
PAL (576i / 576p)
HDTV (720p / 1080i / 1080p)
Plasma resolutions (1366x768, 1280x768)
PC standards VGA, SVGA, XGA, SXGA

[moonring]

God.
I have bought exactly the same product just from the Tomacro company, as I am also in Shenzhen, China (probablely the place of origin for this products) I get it conveniently. I have the manual, but I cannot help you because it is Chinese. LOL.
I am trying to get famliar with such a cute. :)

[Mark Fontana]

Hi moonring, any comments on the user interface of this box (the usual weak spot for this type of product)?

I've found a wholesaler in China for these and should be getting a PDF of the English manual later this week (will post here when I have it). From the prices I was quoted, these could be sold in the U.S. for about the same as the Tvix 4100SH.

[Mark Fontana]

Found the product brochure online...

[Mark Fontana]

Two more photos...

[cHarOn99]

this is the best device right now because it must have the newer sigma chip 8634 in not the old 8623 which comes into the tvix 4100/5100 or the other devices wghich will be released soon.
It is the only player which supports VC1 and MKV!!!!! a

greatz cHarOn

[oldpainless68]

Hello

I have just ordered one off Ebay (UK)...so once I get it I will report back with a little review.

K

[jrbd90]

this is the best device right now because it must have the newer sigma chip 8634 in not the old 8623 which comes into the tvix 4100/5100 or the other devices wghich will be released soon.
It is the only player which supports VC1 and MKV!!!!! a

greatz cHarOn

How do we know it can do .mkv's. I didn't see that anywhere.

[jrbd90]

Hello

I have just ordered one off Ebay (UK)...so once I get it I will report back with a little review.

K

Please post screens of the user interface :)

[cHarOn99]

i think it is the normal curracao like all sigma devices have, but pictures would be nice ;-)
look on the page there is an description what this player can play and as i know it has the 8634 sigma in then it is nativ supported by sigma VC1 and MKv

[oldpainless68]

Ok, will do. But to be honest, I'm not expecting the on-screen GUI to be great...I'm more interested in what the machine can play and how good the video and audio is. This will replace my xbox360 for video streaming. Can't wait to see my 1080p MKV movies on my projector!!!

K

[madshi]

Guys, MKV is a container, not a video or audio codec. Probably you mean "h264", also called "Mpeg4 AVC" or "Mpeg4 Part 10" or simply "AVC". MKV as a container can hold any video or audio codec you like.

[cHarOn99]

yes mkv is an container and the sigma 8623 based devices (Tvix 5100,4100 Iamm NTD37HD, .......) cant handle mkv containers because they dont have enough power!!! also the 8623 can only play h264 with 1080i and not 1080p also with 8623 you have problems with h264 in higher bitrates!!!!
So this device is the only device which have enough power to handle mkv and vc1!!! in 1080p!!!

he limHD200i features a HDMI(High-Definition Multimedia Interface) connection, HDMI offers a pure digital connection for both audio and video. The limHD200i supports your favorite video formats, MPEG2 HD - .tp, .ts, WMV9/WMV-HD/VC-1, H.264 - .mkv/.mov, MPEG1/2/4, DVD - .ISO /.VOB, etc., you can enjoy videos with resolutions of up to 1080p from your high-definition television for the best picture quality.

greats cHarOn

[oldpainless68]

Madshi.....yes MKV is a container...bu, to my knowledge, most (all?) HD MKV's are h264 (x264)

K

[madshi]

yes mkv is an container and the sigma 8623 based devices (Tvix 5100,4100 Iamm NTD37HD, .......) cant handle mkv containers because they dont have enough power!!!
I know that Tvix reportedly said that the 8623 doesn't have enough power to do MKV, but honestly I don't believe that. Anyway, even if you have a chip with more power, that still doesn't mean (at all!) that the media player will actually support MKV. It must be specifically implemented by the media player manufacturer.

yes MKV is a container...bu, to my knowledge, most (all?) HD MKV's are h264 (x264)
I'm converting all my videos into MKV containers. I have MPEG2, XVID, DIVX, h264 and even VC-1 in my MKVs.

[Meenenator]

Hello

I have just ordered one off Ebay (UK)...so once I get it I will report back with a little review.

K
Do you have a link?
Did a little search on ebay, nothing... (might be my search skills... :o )

M.

[cHarOn99]

as i wrote in post 13 the sigma 8634 supports mkv!!!! also on the http://www.tomacro.com/english/Product_LimHD200i_Vieo.htm site you can read it my quote tells this!!
the 8623 has really not enough power to handle VC1 (higher bitrates) and mkv!! believe me ;-)

[cHarOn99]

you can also look here http://www.sigmadesigns.com/public/Products/selection_guide/selection_guide.html

there are the diffrents between 8620er Series and the new 8630 Series!!

[oldpainless68]

Meenenator - It will not let me post the link on the board...just try limhd200i and tick search description......should come up with 2 for sale from Jackie...who I've just bought mine from.

Madshi.....Ok and thanks for the info....I did not know that MKV could also hold mpeg-2.......

[Meenenator]

It sure looks like a nice model, both to look at and reading the specs.

Very interesting.... as I have been awaiting the tvix 5500 as well.

Anywhere you could get this?
Any ideas about the support and FW updates. The tiny monsters usually needs some FW upgrades before everything works as they should.

How about NFS? Can't find anything about it.
Or is the Samba/SMB implementation good(fast) enough?

Very interesting indeed...

M.

[Meenenator]

Meenenator - It will not let me post the link on the board...just try limhd200i and tick search description......should come up with 2 for sale from Jackie...who I've just bought mine from.

Madshi.....Ok and thanks for the info....I did not know that MKV could also hold mpeg-2.......

ok, will try again...
Post a few more bogus posts(no phun intended), and hence you should be able to do URLs ;)

Thanks!

M.

Update:
Found it...
$599(bid), $699(buy now). Incl. a 320GB HD.

[cHarOn99]

specs will come soon ;-) Firmware is upgradable but it is an new device so there isnt any new firmware right now, but if it is sigma then there are good ways to edit things about nfs, ftp, ............... oh and samba will also be an solution because with this device there is enough power right now ;-)

[jrbd90]

yes mkv is an container and the sigma 8623 based devices (Tvix 5100,4100 Iamm NTD37HD, .......) cant handle mkv containers because they dont have enough power!!! also the 8623 can only play h264 with 1080i and not 1080p also with 8623 you have problems with h264 in higher bitrates!!!!
So this device is the only device which have enough power to handle mkv and vc1!!! in 1080p!!!



greats cHarOn

Thanks. I missed it on their webite (.mkv's).

Thats great news as I have a lot of .mkv's that i didn't know what i could easily do with the Tvix 4100.

Now, where can i buy one and how much!

[dobeman]

Sounds promising, but the site doesn't look overly reputable-no place for downloads, manuals, ect.

[cHarOn99]

as it looks like there is in england an ebay seller (i couldnt find it already) in china and in usa, i hope some other company will bring it to europe ;-)

greats cHarOn

[cHarOn99]

Sounds promising, but the site doesn't look overly reputable-no place for downloads, manuals, ect.

the device is really new i think it gets released at may so there isnt any firmware update or..........?
When the company replys to my email then i can tell you what ways the device has!
It can also be an device with no good support i dont know it but the hardware rocks inside.

greats cHarOn

[Mark Fontana]

Those prices on eBay are very high. I'm holding off on this unit until I see the manual and screenshots, but if things look no worse than comparable Tvix/Mvix/MediaGate boxes, I'd be willing to coordinate a group purchase in the neighborhood of $300 + shipping (without hard drive) if we can't get AVS or one of their partners to do it.

[Tiger333]

This player is sounding very promising

[bravedog31]

I'm in for the group buy if someone can find them for less than $400.

[Meenenator]

Those prices on eBay are very high. I'm holding off on this unit until I see the manual and screenshots, but if things look no worse than comparable Tvix/Mvix/MediaGate boxes, I'd be willing to coordinate a group purchase in the neighborhood of $300 + shipping (without hard drive) if we can't get AVS or one of their partners to do it.

Sounds good. The prices I found was with 320GB so it could be cheaper than the stated price without a HDD.
Remember to make enough headroom for us non-US guys ;)

Anyway, let us wait a few days for the manual, pictures and other neat stuff so we might know what this bugger might do.

The little I found (which was in English) showed a tiny remote (lets hope it for the 2,5" model), it has IDE HDD, and no 480/576i on the HDMI port.

M.

[jrbd90]

~$300 would be great!

Plus, from their webite it has:

"limHD200i - Fabulous Focus Features!!"

Seriously, is there any concern its IDE and not SATA?
A 750GB IDE Seagate DB35 would fit nicely.

[Meenenator]

~$300 would be great!

Plus, from their webite it has:

"limHD200i - Fabulous Focus Features!!"

Seriously, is there any concern its IDE and not SATA?
A 750GB IDE Seagate DB35 would fit nicely.

IDE or SATA, I don't mind... have enough of both, and will mainly be using a NAS anyway. however SATA has come to stay.

Anyone reading chinese, give us details! about .mkv, any type of firmware upgrades etc. I found a lot of sites in asia, but none I could read :o

[davidcotton]

A quick google found this link :-

http://www.eascu.com.cn/SupplyDemandInfo/CompanySupplyInfoDetail.aspx?sdInfoID=5838&type=0

Looks nice but not sure if I'd risk going with such a new product over the tried and tested reputation of tvix.

[oldpainless68]

Wait...gotto post 5.....

[oldpainless68]

nearly there.....

[oldpainless68]

Ok....few more links fer ya.....

http://66.249.91.104/translate_c?hl=en&u=http://auction1.taobao.com/auction/0/item_detail-0db1-47626e859cef32ffa2c871c5af297503.jhtml&prev=/search%3Fq%3DlimHD200i%26start%3D40%26hl%3Den%26rlz%3D1T4RNW N_enGB223GB223%26sa%3DN

and

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=zh-CN&u=http://www.hivibbs.com/phpbbs/read.php%3Ftid%3D14133&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=6&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3DlimHD%2B200i%26hl%3Den

K

[oldpainless68]

done....lol

[oldpainless68]

Hope those links add a little

K

[Meenenator]

done....lol
Yeah... LOL!

Do you guys see the HDMI resolution options as I do... EDID, 480i, 480p etc...
480i on HDMI... yes! (yeah, I know... in these HD times... but into my scaler :D )

Nevertheless, the GUI looked ok, nothing major. Like an early tvix GUI ;)

[Mark Fontana]

Good pictures on those links. The GUI and back panel of the limHD200i look very similar to those of the Pixel Magic Systems HD MediaBox (wonder if they are related?)

Reading that translated discussion thread is a bit surreal... good thing the user profiles include the "reading competence" of each forum member. That could come in handy during heated debates on AVS. :)

[oldpainless68]

Glad to help.....mine is due to leave Hong Kong tomorrow...with a 320gig HD....can't wait!!!

K

[Meenenator]

Glad to help.....mine is due to leave Hong Kong tomorrow...with a 320gig HD....can't wait!!!

K
You better keep us posted on its capabilities, or you will have a few people banging down your door (bringing ale and tehnical curiosity... :D)

I'm wondering myself if I should pull the plug or not, I'm somewhat an early adopter, but there are limits ;)
The price on this little bugger is not so much more than a 4100sh (from sweden), and I prob. have to pay tax(VAT) on top of that anyway...

[oldpainless68]

When mine gets here...you can bank on a review....just bear in mind that my real interest is what it can play (HD!) and the picture and audio quality (as I guess you lot are). So.....I'm looking for 720p and 1080p on my projector that blows me away...of course with a VERY good source (MKV, 1080p, DTS, from you know what..:-))

K

[russland]

Seems like limHD manufacturers saved on memory, installed only 128MB (sigma supports 512). I'd definitely wait for positive reviews before ordering one or for TViX with full memory banks. Dvico and others try to put as much memory as possible.

[oldpainless68]

Seems like limHD manufacturers saved on memory, installed only 128MB (sigma supports 512). I'd definitely wait for positive reviews before ordering one or for TViX with full memory banks. Dvico and others try to put as much memory as possible.

Note sure if that means anything...or is correct

K

[cHarOn99]

the fact is that limHD have right now an device which supports things which will come end of this year or next year at tvix or other devices, so for me right now the limhd is the best device on market (best hardware). The Design is not that nice, or is it only an prototyp on the pages when the design is like on the threadstarter then it is ok.
But right now limHD makes the right way and not like tvix with the damn 8623 old devices in 4100 and 5100 because the only reason is to make more money!!!
Price difference is not that big around 10-20 Euro between 8623 and 8634.


greats cHarOn

[oldpainless68]

cHarOn99....not sure what you are saying there (it's late here in the UK)...but I think the LimHd200i is a very nice looking bit of kit. I'm sure it is the 1st to market with the hardware inside....will others follow?....I'm sure....will they look as good?....not sure....so.....right now....it looks like it's the best bet....anyhows...I'll let you know when mine gets here....lol

K

[cHarOn99]

sorry for my english it sucks a little bit what i mean is that the limhd is right now the best device to buy, i think that tvico will come at the end of this year or better at the beginning 2008 with such a device Tvix 5500?(hardware).
On the page http://66.249.91.104/translate_c?hl=en&u=http://auction1.taobao.com/auction/0/item_detail-0db1-47626e859cef32ffa2c871c5af297503.jhtml&prev=/search%3Fq%3DlimHD200i%26start%3D40%26hl%3Den%26rlz%3D1T4RNW N_enGB223GB223%26sa%3DN

the alu looks not that nice a little bit cheap, and when you look at the thread begin here the alu looks nicer, i hope that this design will be real ;-)

But also for me when i get it here in my country i would buy it as soon as possible.

So oldpainless68 you are the lucky man to have it soon ;-)

greats cHarOn

[oldpainless68]

ah...now I see what you are saying....sorry...yes, I think the one you refer to may have been an earlier version. If you look at the two links I have posted above, you will see one has slighty different on-screen graphics. I will post pics when mine gets here..

K

[cHarOn99]

ok good news for some of us ;-)

www.hdd-player.de

will take this product and sell it soon, right now he talks to tomacro about import to germany. The good point is that www.hdd-player.de has an really good support, on the iamm nt36hd he made firmwares avaible ;-)

When i have news i will post it here.

greats cHarOn

[oldpainless68]

Has anyone else on the board bought one?

K

[cHarOn99]

i will have one when www.hdd-player.de sends it to me ;-)
and then i will take a look on the firmware for change some things hehehe.

greats cHarOn

[raurau]

This device looks very nice but like many other I am skeptical to buying new devices from a company that has no reputation. Anyway new players are on there way with the better sigma processor. I don't know if you guys know about this one from syabas (google it it's called media tank, not allowed to post links yet :) ) that looks very promising as well. I think the rest of the known producers like Tvix will follow on updating there products as well much sooner than anticipated in this thread. I don't know how long they can afford to stay behind. BTW the media tank from syabas is already under review at "Hi-jack". Let's hope somebody in the USA will tell us about this one really soon.
Regards

[Meenenator]

Here's the link to media tank:
http://www.syabas.com/solution_nmt.html

And yes, we are looking forward to Hi-Jacks review.
A lot of good feature in that middleware (incl. .mkv support)

M.

[cHarOn99]

where do you read about mkv support by the http://www.syabas.com/solution_nmt.html
is there also the sigma 8634?? and there is no builtin HDD am i right.

[Osamede]

Those prices on eBay are very high. I'm holding off on this unit until I see the manual and screenshots, but if things look no worse than comparable Tvix/Mvix/MediaGate boxes, I'd be willing to coordinate a group purchase in the neighborhood of $300 + shipping (without hard drive) if we can't get AVS or one of their partners to do it.
Ditto here....

[Meenenator]

where do you read about mkv support by the http://www.syabas.com/solution_nmt.html
is there also the sigma 8634?? and there is no builtin HDD am i right.
Here: http://www.mpcclub.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewforum&f=158

[cHarOn99]

Here: http://www.mpcclub.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewforum&f=158

ah ok thx for the info ;-)

[cHarOn99]

as it looks like at hdd-player.de the device would cost around 400 Euro, as it looks right now.

greats cHarOn

[Meenenator]

as it looks like at hdd-player.de the device would cost around 400 Euro, as it looks right now.

greats cHarOn

That's not too bad. I sent them an email asking for export out of EU.
This shipping stuff to countries outside EU and US is just bad sometimes. I can (in theory) go visit any country in EU without my passport, but to send me a tiny parcel...no-no :mad:
Will await their answer. Maybe...

[Jet-X]

This player is sounding very promising

They always do until someone gets their hands on a new player and realizes it isn't what the manufacturer cracks it up to be.

TViX has been coming through with firmware updates, but I will wait until we get solid reports from a guinea pig before I jump. I know guinea pig is a crappy term, but a lot of the small manufacturers have been shipping crippled product and fixing it after release, making us all lab rats for them. Sorry, for the money I'm spending, it's not worth it.

[oldpainless68]

Well....just to let you all know...mine is leaving Hong Kong in a few hours....will take about 3 days....so.....lets keep the debate going until then...which is?.....how to play and stream H.264 (MKV) at 1080p in all it's glory!!!...lol....

Medic!!!!

K

[bravedog31]

After clicking around the Chinese forums, and my skills at reading translated Chinese, it looks like they are debating MKV playback. The unit is hardware capable of MKV, but cannot play them until a future upgrade.

Sorry, can't post a link but here is some text:

"MKV is currently not supported by, oh, I heard that manufacturers will be through firmware upgrade later opening Oh, look forward to! "

Price looks like around $430 without a hard drive.

[russland]

As far as I understand, currently NO players can play mkv files.
The only device that started to unofficially support this container is Syabas Media Tank. They just implemented basic MKV with limited streams and working on extending the list. Also, Dvico/Netgear said some day that they may support matroska container in the future. Hopefully, they also work on it. I believe this fall we will see a device with at least choppy mkv playback.

[cHarOn99]

hmmm on the tomacro site you can read that mkv is supported?!?! I a little bit confused but we will see when oldpainless68 have the device

[Mark Fontana]

A further similarity to the Pixel Magic HD Mediabox: no cooling fan. Also no ventilation slots for convective cooling.

Found two more photos of the mainboard, but the quality is quite poor. The processor does appear to be the Sigma EM8623. One thing's for sure: someone's making a handsome profit on these things (HDD media players in general) retailing them for hundreds of dollars like this. Without a hard drive, there can't be more than like $60 of parts here including the pricier components like the case, remote, VFD, processor and power supply. Manufacturing is cheap over there, and these companies don't appear to spend much on the firmware or QA... most probably stick to Sigma's reference designs. Yet the wholesale prices are already well over $200! Meanwhile, you can buy a cheap CyberHome DVD player with just as much technology inside for under $25 retail and someone's apparently still turning a profit.

[cHarOn99]

no there is no 8623 on it! the admin from hdd-player was in china and also in that company and it is an 8634 based device.

greats cHarOn

[oldpainless68]

Yes....sounds like folks are starting to see Demons here.........the net if full of old pics and stuff.....yes....I have put myself out on a limb.....we will soon see if what I have bought will do what it's supposed to do....and trust me...I will tell it like it is....but I do trust that it WILL play MKV (with h.264 5.1).....at 1080p.....otherwise....I'm stuffed LOL....

K

[oldpainless68]

Hey Mark Fontana...did you read the date on the motherboard on the pics that you posted.....Dec 2006!....looks like a fake to me....

K

[oldpainless68]

Or I should say a VERY early prototype...

K

[jrbd90]

Or I should say a VERY early prototype...

K

December 2006 was not that long ago to be a prototype.

[iwanrs]

Can this limHD200i play .ts broken files (many small files) in a smooth running image without any black out or interruption in between files?

I think this is an important issue to prove its processor is "fast" enough.

[oldpainless68]

All these questions and more will soon be answered....

K

[Meenenator]

All these questions and more will soon be answered....

K
Sounds like you might have a big review on your hands quite soon :p
I recon you are collecting various clips with various codecs etc etc etc.

Would it be an idea to create some form of list that can be checked (or not)? (or am I just rambling away with to little coffein this morning?)
I might do a tiny bit of research to see check something. It would be sad if we again get flooded by simple questions about support of codec etc.

Again, just an idea.

M.

[oldpainless68]

Good idea

Anyone with ideas on which codec to check.....

To kick off:

DVD-ISO
MPEG-TS with ac3 and dts @ 720p and 1080p
MKV (H.264 with ac3) @ 720p and 1080p

K

[Meenenator]

DVD-ISO
MPEG-TS with ac3 and dts @ 720p and 1080p
MKV (H.264 with ac3) @ 720p and 1080p

K
It might be the same as above:
H264/X264 with AC3 in a TS container

as well as:
WMV-HD at various profiles.
Xvid/Divxs with Qpel (if applicable (I think its Qpel))
VC-1
VC-1 as EVO (HDDVD rips?)
same with BD-rips
.IFO and .VOB (might be covered under DVD-ISO)

Audio:
Mp3 (obvious)
Flac
AAC
WMA
anything with DRM?

Pictures:
Jpeg
Png
Gif
Any of the above@5Mpx and above
Rotation of pictures

A start at least...

[Hi-Jack]

The unit looks promising but let's not forget it's early stage and sigma sdk is not
the most stable one to work with either. The EM8634 players must not only be
capable of H.264 but also deliver more advanbced features for music, thumbnail
images, video previews and such which where missing from the older units.

Lim does not support mkv and the promise is there to update with a future FW which again means a key feauture is not available from the beginning and after so many failure of brands delivering the updates they promised, who would risk to buy it?

For Syabas, we are looking at ALPHA stage of the FW and product so it will be
months before released to market (maybe September) but the HDD serves as
SAMBA serrver, has complete HTML interface and browsinf (slow but versatile),
already plays mkv files and is currently being tuned based on feedback sent to
them.

If you really need MKV as your main target for purchasing a player, I would advise
to wait another 3-6 months until you have some choices available to go zith the
best of them. In the next 3 - 6 months I don't believe in any company releasing a
full H.264 capable player with mkv support and by the time it's added, the players
will have competition and be much lower priced...

Just my 2 cents.
Looking forward to comments... and maybe even review it myself...

[oldpainless68]

Hi-Jack

You say that the Lim does not support MKV, but here's a quote from their marketings stuff

"The limHD200i features a HDMI(High-Definition Multimedia Interface) connection, HDMI offers a pure digital connection for both audio and video. The limHD200i supports your favorite video formats, MPEG2 HD - .tp, .ts, WMV9/WMV-HD/VC-1, H.264 - .mkv/.mov, MPEG1/2/4, DVD - .ISO /.VOB, etc., you can enjoy videos with resolutions of up to 1080p from your high-definition television for the best picture quality"

Any thoughts?....I hope your not right as I've just bought one!!

K

[Mark Fontana]

OK guys, here's the user manual in English (http://192.67.78.42/tmp/limhd200i_manual.pdf). It is the usual poorly-translated Chinese and rather comical in places:

"Enthusiastic CD Sound Effects"
"It is an intimate partner of your HDTV"
"Standby/AROUSE button"

No mention of mkv playback...

[oldpainless68]

Mark

Page 5 of the manual

"Support H.264 Video Decoding: As the number of video sources of H.264 code increases, being capable of H.264 decoding is to be duty-bound for the products"

K

[oldpainless68]

And page 6

"Popular media files formats are widely supported.
Video files– High Definition format ( above 480p ), WMV-HD/WMV9/VC-1��MPEG2-HD��.mpg/.tp /.ts����H.264��Standard Definition formats��480p below��,MPEG1/2/4��DVD��.iso/.vob����Audio files –WAV/OGG/MP3/WMA/AAC��image files– JPG/BMP/PNG formats and so on."

So looks like H.264 is on...phew!

K

[russland]

So looks like H.264 is on...phew!

K

H.264 format is already supported in many devices and most of the manufactures are working on mkv splitting. Let's hope that limHD200i will add this container in their FW upgrade as well.

Anyway, for some test samples, I would suggest to go to mpcclub's ftp and grab some from there. Not all of them are played smoothly on current TViX 4100/5100. Granted, Hi-Jack may not like this idea.

[oldpainless68]

russland

It states on their website that it plays mkv......so who knows, or I should say, I will when mine gets here...

K

[cHarOn99]

yes and if not then you can send it back because auf wrong informations lol.

But for now this device has the best hardware to do something with it, i would also love an device from tvix but i hate companys who know that there is already an newer sigma chip avaible and costs 20 euros more then an older one and bring an device to get more money and then bring the next device 6 months later and again gets money grrr this is only to make buyers angry. the ****ing dam 8623 chip is for nothing good because it is only an step up from the 8621.

greats cHarOn

[oldpainless68]

Also done a bit of digging around on TOMACRO, and although their website is not the best I've seen, they do seem to be a legit outfit, and have paid to exhibit at the International Consumer Electronics Fair 2007 in China.

K

[Mark Fontana]

Attached is a slide about Tomacro that a distributor sent when I inquired about this product. Shows the worker bees busy at work, all using CRT monitors (the "splendid digital life" hasn't quite arrived yet there?).

cHarOn - I think you mean "greets" :)

[cHarOn99]

yep my damn english thx for the info lol i hope i can bring that into my brain lol

best wishes lol cHarOn

[oldpainless68]

Well....only a few days to wait.....Mine is now at Hong Kong airport......

K

[russland]

hate companys who know that there is already an newer sigma chip avaible and costs 20 euros more then an older one

I think that new devices from the same manufacturer will be more expensive by around 100 bucks. The new devices based on EM863X chips require more memory, chip itself is more expensive, bigger fan for more powerful processor and more FW development.

However, I do agree that devices from Chinese manufacturers may be cheaper than Dvico.

[cHarOn99]

the price is not the point for me but i hate it when i buy an new device and then read that there was also an way to go for the newer chip 863x but they dont go the way because it is to expensive (20 Euro) i pay for such an device 400 or more but then i want an device witch plays stuff that it many around like h264, mkv, .......... I know that the current devices 4100 and 5100 can play h264 but this also with limitation and that s u c k s. So right now for me is the only way the tomacro device. I have an Iamm NTD36HD it is an nice device and firmware modifing is an nice go but sigma dont gives out the sdk ;-( and i want more power to get ftp, ............ and some other stuff working without to have an limitation of cpu power ram power and and and.

About the memory forget it right now the memory prices are really down and the prices are so cheap that it wouldnt cost more then 10 Euros do bring in 128MB ram and 64MB rom or something else.

best wishes cHarOn

[iwanrs]

Checked with TOMACRO, they confirmed: The SIGMA processor is EM8623 in LimHD200i

[moonring]

yes mkv is an container and the sigma 8623 based devices (Tvix 5100,4100 Iamm NTD37HD, .......) cant handle mkv containers because they dont have enough power!!! also the 8623 can only play h264 with 1080i and not 1080p also with 8623 you have problems with h264 in higher bitrates!!!!
So this device is the only device which have enough power to handle mkv and vc1!!! in 1080p!!!



greats cHarOn


hi
nice to see you all.

Aa far as I know, limHD200i does not support MKV at present. But I have asked the same question to the Tomacro technicians and they replied that they will upgrade the firmware later.

Then it would be much more better.

I have been using it for watching English movies these days. Excellent performance. I love it.

By the way, mark, according to TOMACRO official news, they have limHD200i manual in English version. Maybe you can get one from the company.

Good luck.

Already there are a lot of comments here in China, especially in the HD forum. You can have a brief review if you know Chinese.
:)

[cHarOn99]

Checked with TOMACRO, they confirmed: The SIGMA processor is EM8623 in LimHD200i

hmmmm funny thing to us the confirmed that it is an 8634?!?!?!?
now I´m really confused!?!?!?!?

best wishes cHarOn

[oldpainless68]

[/QUOTE] "8623 can only play h264 with 1080i"

If this machine only has the 8623 chip, how come it can play h.264 1080p?

K

[oldpainless68]

Oh well...sat here tracking the LimHD200i as it makes its way from Hong Kong to me in the UK, so I guess I'll find out soon enough..lol :D

K

[oldpainless68]

Lastly...from their own website

[QUOTE] " plays H.264 - .mkv/.mov"

So, I'm confused too!!

K

[moonring]

Lastly...from their own website

[QUOTE] " plays H.264 - .mkv/.mov"

So, I'm confused too!!

K

Exactly 8634 can play H.264 1080P 300M bits, while 8623 also can play H.264 1080p perfectly. It can play 40M bits. For detailed data or information you can refer to the official web of SIGMA DESIGN.

[oldpainless68]

OK guys...here the official word direct from the guys at Tomacro

[QUOTE] "Thanks for your attention on our product limHD200i.

We are sorry to tell you that at present the limHD200i does not support MKV.

Until now, there is no player that supports MKV. However, our technicians have processed great progress in this field and we believe that limHD200i is able to master this skill in the near future. Please pay more attention to our website:www.tomacro.com in case any new firmware issued.

If have any other product relevant questions, please do not hesitate to contact us."

So, there you have it...debate over I guess....until the new firmware is released!!

[cHarOn99]

and about the chip we are not clear now because the confirm to us 8634 is included so who has right now an wrong info?!?! now i cant sleep lol.

best wishes cHarOn

[iwanrs]

Checked with TOMACRO, they confirmed: The SIGMA processor is EM8623 in LimHD200i

I asked them yesterday by "contct Us" email to ask the chipset and the price. That is what I got from them: Sigma EM8623. :eek:

Anybody can try to ask too.

[cHarOn99]

i will phone them because if it is really 8623 then i think that the admin from hdd-player wont get it.

cHarOn

[oldpainless68]

OK...assuming that the unit will not play H.264 in an MKV (with AC3) container, until a firmware update.....is there a way of changing it to another container, say TS?

K

[russland]

Checked with TOMACRO, they confirmed: The SIGMA processor is EM8623 in LimHD200i

This explains why they put only 128M of memory. This is maximum for this chip.

[cHarOn99]

but then i´m really angry the admin was in china and they said to him that it is an 8634 in, wtf?!?!?!?!??
this was 3 or 4 weeks ago!!!!
Then the dream dont comes true ;-( we have to wait then again but i dont want an device with 8623 ;-(

;-/ cHarOn

[russland]

We are sorry to tell you that at present the limHD200i does not support MKV. Until now, there is no player that supports MKV. However, our technicians have processed great progress in this field and we believe that limHD200i is able to master this skill in the near future.

Wow, they don't know many things. First of all, almost all device producers expect MKV in their FW updates; second of all, people from Syabas already implemented MKV with basic streams in their Media Tank.

[russland]

but then i´m really angry the admin was in china

Maybe we're talking about different devices? Do they have two versions of limHD200i ? Like Dvico has Tvix 4000 and Tvix 4100?

[cHarOn99]

lol but the syabas isnt released yet it is in alpha stage i think, and if syabas makes it as the old devices are then there will be an closed source firmware in so for me an nogo.
But the Specs looks nice from syabase.

cHarOn

[cHarOn99]

Maybe we're talking about different devices? Do they have two versions of limHD200i ? Like Dvico has Tvix 4000 and Tvix 4100?

hmm i hope so the admin from hdd-player is looking for the prospekt he get when he was there, i hope he can find it lol.

cHarOn

[oldpainless68]

There are so many contridictions.....there site says it supports MKV....then they say it doesn't....so who knows!!....lol

I guess I'll find out soon enough......

K

[cHarOn99]

i hope for you that the info that it is an 8623 is wrong if so then better to send it back??! because then it will be better to get an Tvix?!?! or Syabase?!?! no idea right now for me if that is true then i will wait for an device with 8634 and stay now with my Novatron 8621 based device NTD36HD.

best wishes and good luck cHarOn

[gendvd]

Hello everyone here, We are the agent of Tamacro, we are glad to see that all of you are so interested in LimHD200i, if someone of you want to get further information for this product, please email us for user manual.

when you make up your mind to carry the machine back home to experience the real high-definition effect by yourself, please contact us from our email:


You would buy it at the lowest price and the lowest mail cost from us.
Some friends suggested to orgnize a group purchase, I think it is a good idea, if you have enough persons to join us, you may enjoy more preferential price.

[cHarOn99]

Hello everyone here, We are the agent of Tamacro, we are glad to see that all of you are so interested in LimHD200i, if someone of you want to get further information for this product, please visit Tamocro website

when you make up your mind to carry the machine back home to experience the real high-definition effect by yourself, please contact us

You would buy it at the lowest price and the lowest mail cost from us.
Some friends suggested to orgnize a group purchase, I think it is a good idea, if you have enough persons to join us, you may enjoy more preferential price.

Hello mayby you can clear out some points is there now an Sigma 8634 or an Sigma 8623 in the device because the admin from hdd-player.de was at tomacro and was informed that it is 8634 and now when you send an mail to tomacro you get the information that it is 8623 based?!?!?!

best wishes cHarOn

[cHarOn99]

oh and we are only really interrested if the tomacro device has an 8634 inside and not the 8623!!

cHarOn

[oldpainless68]

Hello and Welcome Gendvd....

If possible, could you clear up one or two points for us here on the board

1 - The website states that the LimHD200i play h.264 mkv/mov, but the response we got back from Tamacro was that it will not play mkv....

2 - Which chip is inside the LimHD200i. Is it the 8634 or the 8623, again as we have been told first it was one, then the other, so we are not sure

K

[gendvd]

Hello and Welcome Gendvd....

If possible, could you clear up one or two points for us here on the board

1 - The website states that the LimHD200i play h.264 mkv/mov, but the response we got back from Tamacro was that it will not play mkv....

2 - Which chip is inside the LimHD200i. Is it the 8634 or the 8623, again as we have been told first it was one, then the other, so we are not sure

K

LimHD200i so far can not play MKV, it will afer we update the firmware afterwards.
The current chip inside is 8623, its trans speed 40M/s at average.
Jackie Yin

[sansp00]

Well, I guess it's no worse or better than any other player in the market right now after reading this. We'll see how fast/many FW will be out for the player and how the UI will look, because it's basically the thing thats separates the best from the rest.

My 2 cents
Patrick S.

[cHarOn99]

ok thx for the info so this device isnt interresting anymore for me because the only reason why here so many guys postet was that we were thinking that it is an 8634 inside, so sorry but missinformation on website and also to an company who would sell this products in germany is an nogo.

i think i´m outa here cya cHarOn

[cHarOn99]

the problem is that the sdk from sigma is very minimal so i think they cant do that many and i think it is then better to wait for 8634 based devices or take an other product.

my 3 cents hehehe

[jrbd90]

LimHD200i so far can not play MKV, it will afer we update the firmware afterwards.
The current chip inside is 8623, its trans speed 40M/s at average.
Jackie Yin

Oh well, nothing to see here, move along...

Back to the Tvix 4100sh thread....

[oldpainless68]

Gendvd

Many thanks for clearing this up for us. Do you know when the firmware will be updated to support the playback of MKV - I think that would be of great interest to the board.

K

[gendvd]

the problem is that the sdk from sigma is very minimal so i think they cant do that many and i think it is then better to wait for 8634 based devices or take an other product.

my 3 cents hehehe
It seems that you know so much about electronic products, we never mentioned there was 8634 inside our machine.

[cHarOn99]

as i said the admin from hdd-player was in china at tomacro and gets this info from there?!?! or he missunderstood something and yes i know many about electronic products.
and also in firmware programming. And all sigma devices have the problem that the sdk from sigma is not that good. the toolchain is really bad and and and.
I wish you good luck with your product but the main interrest was because it looks like that you include the 8634 chip. But ok now everything is clear, but change your homepage from tomacro where you write things witch dont works right now and thats not nice it is misinforamtion! i will quote again!!


The limHD200i features a HDMI(High-Definition Multimedia Interface) connection, HDMI offers a pure digital connection for both audio and video. The limHD200i supports your favorite video formats, MPEG2 HD - .tp, .ts, WMV9/WMV-HD/VC-1, H.264 - .mkv/.mov, MPEG1/2/4, DVD - .ISO /.VOB, etc., you can enjoy videos with resolutions of up to 1080p from your high-definition television for the best picture quality

.mkv/.mov

best wishes cHarOn

[oldpainless68]

Ok...so if it does not play MKV at the moment, but does play H.264, what format and profile does the H.264 need to be in for the LimHD200i to play it?

K

[gendvd]

Gendvd

Many thanks for clearing this up for us. Do you know when the firmware will be updated to support the playback of MKV - I think that would be of great interest to the board.

K

As the agent, we will seriously transfer your surgestions to the manufacturer. Hope you will see the latest new product of EM8635.

[gendvd]

Ok...so if it does not play MKV at the moment, but does play H.264, what format and profile does the H.264 need to be in for the LimHD200i to play it?

K

no doubt it plays H.264. h.264 is one of the formats.

[oldpainless68]

gendvd

Thanks, but what container does the h.264 need to be in, eg mp4, avi, ts, ac3 sound?.....etc

K

[gendvd]

as i said the admin from hdd-player was in china at tomacro and gets this info from there?!?! or he missunderstood something and yes i know many about electronic products.
and also in firmware programming. And all sigma devices have the problem that the sdk from sigma is not that good. the toolchain is really bad and and and.
I wish you good luck with your product but the main interrest was because it looks like that you include the 8634 chip. But ok now everything is clear, but change your homepage from tomacro where you write things witch dont works right now and thats not nice it is misinforamtion! i will quote again!!



.mkv/.mov

best wishes cHarOn

Although you are not satisfied with our present products, anyway we may exchange concerned information in the future, contact me to my email: gendvd2000@yahoo.com
Jackie Yin

[cHarOn99]

i will watch for newer devices from tomacro ;-) dont misunderstand me i´m a little bit confused about misinformation right now also on the homepage of tomacro.

So good luck with this device

best wishes cHarOn

[gendvd]

gendvd

Thanks, but what container does the h.264 need to be in, eg mp4, avi, ts, ac3 sound?.....etc

K

To know the H.264, please visit : http://www.apple.com/quicktime/technologies/h264/faq.html

[oldpainless68]

Thanks....

Can anyone help....is there an easy..ish....way to change the container of an mkv file so this player will play it....without reencoding?

Ta

K

[Mark Fontana]

Hi Jackie (gendvd), glad you have joined us. You are an agent (dealer) of Tomacro, not an employee of Tomacro, right?

What are the competitive advantages of the limHD200i over the Tvix 4100SH (current popular HD media player with H.264 that has been discussed on AVS for several months)? Are there certain features which justify the much higher price (other than the preloaded HD content that comes with your units, if it is licensed)?

[conker2007]

As result of my testing, limHD200i from TOMACRO can play H.264 & VC-1 Video smoothly:

1 H.264 codec in popular container - .ts, .avi, ...;
2 Intel H.264 codec in popular container - .ts, .avi, ...;
3 Mpeg-4 AVC codec in popular container - .ts, .avi, ...;
4 VC-1 codec in popular container - .ts, .avi, ....

bitrate <= 45Mbits/s

[conker2007]

I will upload a moive list of my testing ASAP for ref.

[russland]

I will upload a moive list of my testing ASAP for ref.

Just upload small samples somewhere so that we could test it on other devices and analyze the difference. Maybe some of your files are played well on old devices as well.

[gendvd]

As result of my testing, limHD200i from TOMACRO can play H.264 & VC-1 Video smoothly:

1 H.264 codec in popular container - .ts, .avi, ...;
2 Intel H.264 codec in popular container - .ts, .avi, ...;
3 Mpeg-4 AVC codec in popular container - .ts, .avi, ...;
4 VC-1 codec in popular container - .ts, .avi, ....

bitrate <= 45Mbits/s

We can offer limHD200i the latest firmware: Version. 070531
So far testing result of this version can reach: bittrate <=60Mbits/s

[dobeman]

Let us know how video from ripped blu rays that are VC-1 and MPEG4 look and sound. I have found that the 4100 can stream both, but the video is choppy for VC-1 and MPEG4 blu ray rips.

[gendvd]

Let us know how video from ripped blu rays that are VC-1 and MPEG4 look and sound. I have found that the 4100 can stream both, but the video is choppy for VC-1 and MPEG4 blu ray rips.

The latest LimHD200i firmware version (070531) can play VC-1 and MPEG4 blu-ray rips smoothly without any choppiness.

[oldpainless68]

OK...sounding good

So, about this MKV to TS or AVI thing then....lol

So now I have two files

a .h.264 file
a .ac3 file

Is there a way no mux these into a TS or AVI container that will play on these units?

Any ideas?

K

[oldpainless68]

Please....beg....before I go bald!!...Ahhh....lol

K

[oldpainless68]

GenDVD

Where can I get the latest firmware...I can't see it on the site.

K

[madshi]

The latest LimHD200i firmware version (070531) can play VC-1 and MPEG4 blu-ray rips smoothly without any choppiness.
Sounds very good. So the main thing still missing for me is MKV support. I have all my movies in MKV, since it's just the best container by far.

[oldpainless68]

Yeah....that's my problem too....most of mine are in MKV too....and I really don't want to convert them and loose any quality, which is why I asking if they could be muxed into either a TS or AVI container.....

K

[madshi]

Honestly, I'm not willing to remux into any other container format. I'm using MKV for a reason. Unlike all other containers, it allows virtually any combination of audio/video codecs and it has the best tools available for editing/adjustments.

[jliles]

Oldpainless...

You don't have to beg...there are programs out there to help you. :)

First, to extract the audio and video from an MKV without re-encoding, you can use a program called MKVExtract (part of a set of programs called MKVToolNix). This is a command line program but there are GUI front-ends available for it that make the process easier (MKVExtractGUI). This process should only take a few minutes. This will allow you to save off the video and any audio and subtitle files that were muxed into the container.

From there, you will need to mux the the raw video/audio files into a new container that this device will understand. I'll assume for the moment this device understands the MP4 container. In that case, you will use a program called MP4Box to do the remuxing to MP4. This is also a command line program but there are a few GUI Tools that can be used as a front end for it. This too should only take a few minutes with no re-encoding of the video stream.

Here's a link to the Mux/Demux tools section of Videohelp. Look specifically at the links for MKVToolNix, MKVExtractGUI, MP4Box and YAMB. All the tools are free and open source.

http://www.videohelp.com/tools/sections/video-de-multiplexers

Hope that helps a bit.
Julie

[madshi]

Unfortunately demuxing h264 content to a raw file and then remuxing it with mp4box can lead to a lost sync between audio and video. And I'm not talking about a constant delay, but about a moving delay over the whole video. I've already experienced that multiple times with my (glitch free!) h264 broadcast recordings. Because of that I've stopped demuxing h264. Instead I'm using the Haali filters to remux the h264 TS streams to MKV. This way sync always stays perfect.

I think if you want to remux MKV into MP4, you would be better of by using the Haali filters. I believe they can directly remux MKV into MP4. Haven't tested it myself yet, though, because MP4 doesn't allow AC3/DTS. That alone is killing this container for me.

[oldpainless68]

So...is that the case.....no ac3 with mp4?

K

[3mentina]

any idea about price and on line sellers?

[oldpainless68]

Julie

Many thanks for taking the time to respond to me question (pain!!).....so, it looks like i would have to enocde the audio from ac3 to acc?.....sounds like a lot of hassel, probably just as quick to re-encode the file......ahhhhh!!!!

K

[oldpainless68]

Ok.....how about h.264 ac3 in a TS or AVI container?

Any views?

K

[madshi]

TS can handle h264 and ac3 and dst. But it's difficult to convert MKV files to TS, because there's no good software available for that. Even the commercial products kind of suck. Not sure about AVI.

[jliles]

madashi...

I've found that the loss of sync that you describe happens when encoders use variable bit rates for audio rather than constant bit rate. Transcoding the audio to constant bit rate and then remuxing will keep the sound in sync. I do understand that this defeats the point of not having to recode anything, but transcoding audio should not take too long to do. I admit I am not an audiophile, but I am pretty hard pressed to tell the difference between two transcoded audio files unless the bitrates are wildly different between the two. Given the choice between having to re-encode video and transcode audio, I'll pick the latter every time as the lesser of two evils.

Oldpainless, I'm not sure it's true that you can't have ac3 in an mp4 container, but assuming that's true then yes, you'll have to transcode the audio from ac3 to aac or another mp4-compatible container. Working with MKVs in general is a big PITA, but transcoding audio doesn't take nearly as long as transcoding video and (to me anyway) the degredation in quality is less noticeable.

Julie

[madshi]

madashi...
One "a" less, please... :)

I've found that the loss of sync that you describe happens when encoders use variable bit rates for audio rather than constant bit rate.
That may be another reason for losing sync. But it's not the only reason. Believe me, just demuxing h264 and remuxing it via mp4box *can* make audio lose sync, even if the audio is constant bit rate. I know what I'm talking about. Our HD broadcasts here in Germany are h264 with constant bit rate AC3. Ok, with 90% of the movies going the mp4box way worked perfectly fine. But with 10% of the movies, there were very nasty sync problems.

Oldpainless, I'm not sure it's true that you can't have ac3 in an mp4 container, but assuming that's true then yes, you'll have to transcode the audio from ac3 to aac or another mp4-compatible container. Working with MKVs in general is a big PITA, but transcoding audio doesn't take nearly as long as transcoding video and (to me anyway) the degredation in quality is less noticeable.
How are you planning to transfer the audio from the media player to the receiver? Via Coax or SPDIF? Please note that in this case the audio must travel as AC3 or DTS, if you want to have multichannel audio. So if you reencode to aac or to any other mp4-compatible audio codec, the media player will have to do just another reencode - and in realtime. So basically the audio data, which was already encoded lossily by the studio, will be reencoded lossily twice this way. That are 3 lossy encodes on the same data, one of which being done in realtime. That just *cannot* be good for audio quality.

[oldpainless68]

How about using AutoMKV to change audio to acc (original) and change container to mp4?

I'm trying it now and will report back.

K

[oldpainless68]

How about demuxing with MKV extract, take the ac3 file, run it throught AutoMKV to change from ac3 5.1 to acc (original - i assume this mean keep it 5.1?), then mux into a TS file..

I am trying this now and will report back

K

[oldpainless68]

Or should I mux it into mp4 using mp4box?

K

[oldpainless68]

Ok....the audio file is pretty much an exact copy...but in acc 5.1....!!!....so next step....mux the h.264 file and the acc

K

[oldpainless68]

Oh....and for info, conversion took about 25 mins

K

[Meenenator]

Ok....the audio file is pretty much an exact copy...but in acc 5.1....!!!....so next step....mux the h.264 file and the acc

K
So you managed to do a AC3 5.1 to AAC 5.1... didn't know that was possible (but don't know it all either :p )
If that works with a remux back to MP4 using the mentioned tool, we might have a solution to the mkv/ac3 problem... if either the limHd200i or 41/5100 models can play back multichannel AAC sound. Wouldn't the unit do only 2-channel stereo out, as it has no 5.1 analog output... and it probably can't do a AAC 5.1 to AC3/DTS 5.1 convertion...
To early in the morning to think straight (a long weekend with little sleep doesn't help either :o )

[oldpainless68]

Right

Had problems with mp4box, but elecard muxer pro beta can mux to either TS or mp4....

So, gendvd, can the limhd200i play mp4 with h.264 with 5.1 acc over optical so you get the 5.1 sound?

K

[oldpainless68]

Meeneator....but it looks like we are a step closer...

K

[oldpainless68]

Group

Elecard Muxer Pro should be able to mux h.264 and ac3/dts to a TS file...I have tried but I get a TS file with video only......can someone else try as my problem might because of a codec conflict....if it works....then all problems solved!!!!

K

[oldpainless68]

Also....lol

Take a look

http://www.elecard.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1870

They say they plan to add direct MKV input....

K

[madshi]

Wouldn't the unit do only 2-channel stereo out, as it has no 5.1 analog output... and it probably can't do a AAC 5.1 to AC3/DTS 5.1 convertion...
To early in the morning to think straight (a long weekend with little sleep doesn't help either :o )
Correct. If the box cannot do on the fly AC3/DTS 5.1 encoding then you'll be stuck with 2 channel stereo out. If the box can do realtime AC3/DTS 5.1 encoding, you'll have to live with an audio track which was 3x encoded lossily. If you ask me, this is all not good.

If you can mux to TS, why not simply keep the AC3? TS can handle AC3! That's the best you can do, as long as the box doesn't support MKV.

[oldpainless68]

[QUOTE]"If you can mux to TS, why not simply keep the AC3? TS can handle AC3! That's the best you can do, as long as the box doesn't support MKV"

That was my point....but I need someone else to test elecard xmuxer pro as I'm getting a TS file with no audio....I may have a codec conflict

K

[oldpainless68]

Ok.....yes!!!....DONE IT!..I had the mega codec pack installed...removed and all works!

demux using mkvextract, mux the h.264 and ac3 into TS using Elecard xmuxer Pro.....

Happy man...no reencoding and I get to keep the original quality!!

K

[oldpainless68]

Mmmm....should not have spoken so soon. The TS files play fine, all in sync, but when you try and ff/rr, and play it's out of sync. Could this just be WMP?

K

[oldpainless68]

Mmmm....The more I play around with this, playback on a pc of the muxed file is very dependant on the codecs you have installed.....so....just going to continue testing with elecard pro xmuxer and see if it plays on the LimHD200i when it gets here.....

I could post a file that I have done, it's 38 meg. Does anyone wanna test it?...its 720p H.264 with AC3 in a TS container.

K

[russland]

Mmmm....The more I play around with this, playback on a pc of the muxed file is very dependant on the codecs you have installed.....so....just going to continue testing with elecard pro xmuxer and see if it plays on the LimHD200i when it gets here.....

I could post a file that I have done, it's 38 meg. Does anyone wanna test it?...its 720p H.624 with AC3 in a TS container.

K

Sure, upload it somewhere.

[oldpainless68]

Ok...will be able to post link in about 12 mins

K

[oldpainless68]

Ok

Can folks test this on the media streamers...TA

http://rapidshare.com/files/35184846/mux.ts

K

[oldpainless68]

First to report back gets a big clap....lol..:-)

[oldpainless68]

No one tested this yet? :eek:

K

[cHarOn99]

i think the problem is that only 4100 or 5100 or the tomacro device can play this files so who should test it!??!?!

cHarOn

[oldpainless68]

Someone with a 4100, 5100 or a Tomacro?....lol :rolleyes:

K

[russland]

No one tested this yet? :eek:

K

I will, I promise.
When I get home tonight.
Still working :(
However, my configuration consists of 4100SH and stereo TV (won't be able to test multichannel audio, just check that sound is in sync).

[oldpainless68]

Russland

Cheers...I look forward to your feedback...

K

[iwanrs]

Any direct comparison between this limHD200i and TVIX M5100SH, the plus and minus?

Which one is better ? :p

[Majestic]

I tested the .ts file on my TVIX 4100sh. The sound is not in sync. Picture quality is very good.

Majestic

[oldpainless68]

Bummer.....well, in that case....that's me done with this whole MKV to something things.....I think I'll just use WMEAisstant to encode to VC1 with 5.1 in a WMV container......


K

[russland]

I tested the .ts file on my TVIX 4100sh. The sound is not in sync. Picture quality is very good.

Majestic

Yeah, the same result I got on my TViX 4100SH.
However, I think that out-of-sync delay is variable.
Audio is almost in sync with video in some parts and in others it is way delayed.

Does anybody have Tomacro device to test the clip?

[oldpainless68]

Oh well....back to lobbying Gendvd to get MKV (H.264 with AC3/DTS) support added!!

K

[oldpainless68]

Looks like no MKV support in the future for this unit....oh well.....so what clever sod is going to come up with a solution that works to put H.264 and AC3 into a TS or AVI container?

K

[madshi]

what clever sod is going to come up with a solution that works to put H.264 and AC3 into a TS or AVI container?
This one is supposed to do it - just not yet. MKV input support is one of the features which is planned for that software but not realized yet:

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=125447

[russland]

Looks like no MKV support in the future for this unit....oh well.....

Syabas Media Tank is already being tested:
http://www.mpcclub.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=91197#91197
Let's hope this fall we'll see some devices based on 8634 chipset.

[Wizziwig]

New firmware available here:

http://hdpop.cn/LimHD200i固件05-30.rar

Could not make out much from the Chinese release notes, but it looks like they improved VC1 support and HDMI audio.

-Mark

[oldpainless68]

New firmware available here:

http://hdpop.cn/LimHD200i固件05-30.rar

Could not make out much from the Chinese release notes, but it looks like they improved VC1 support and HDMI audio.

-Mark


Mark, many thanks for that. IF my LimHD200i ever gets here, I'll load it up!

K

[Mark Fontana]

The Customs folks are probably busy watching the bikini videos Jackie loaded on it... :)

[oldpainless68]

The Customs folks are probably busy watching the bikini videos Jackie loaded on it... :)


LOL..... :eek:

[oldpainless68]

I said no to those....so unless they like star wars....lol.... :eek:

[oldpainless68]

Direct from Tomacroc this moring:

"Tomacro is very glad to hear from you.

We would like to inform you our product limHD200i can surely play video files with H.264 format.

Good News:
We are going to update our firmware and in about 2 months the limHD200i should be able to support MKV container then. Please keep notice on our website in case of any new information of the product you might be interested in.

If have any other questions please feel free to contact us."

Cool..... :D

[madshi]

Good News:
We are going to update our firmware and in about 2 months the limHD200i should be able to support MKV container then. Please keep notice on our website in case of any new information of the product you might be interested in.
That absolutely great news - way to go !! :)

[Mark Fontana]

I requested a feature through one of Tomacro's sales managers and got a positive response from them: auto detection that the contents of a folder are VOB/ISO files. When listing a directory containing folders that have VOB/IFO files inside, instead of displaying a folder icon and making the user navigate inside to find and click on the VIDEO_TS.IFO file manually, just display a "disc" icon beside the folder name. When the user clicks on the folder name, automatically begin playback of the VIDEO_TS.IFO file inside.

[oldpainless68]

I requested a feature through one of Tomacro's sales managers and got a positive response from them: auto detection that the contents of a folder are VOB/ISO files. When listing a directory containing folders that have VOB/IFO files inside, instead of displaying a folder icon and making the user navigate inside to find and click on the VIDEO_TS.VOB file manually, just display a "disc" icon beside the folder name. When the user clicks on the folder name, automatically begin playback of the VIDEO_TS.VOB file inside.


That say's they are willing to listen to their customers....a rare thing!

K

[Mark Fontana]

I have a unit on the way from China, finally. oldpainless, I look forward to reading your reports next week while I wait (you should have yours any day now?).

[cHarOn99]

Direct from Tomacroc this moring:

"Tomacro is very glad to hear from you.

We would like to inform you our product limHD200i can surely play video files with H.264 format.

Good News:
We are going to update our firmware and in about 2 months the limHD200i should be able to support MKV container then. Please keep notice on our website in case of any new information of the product you might be interested in.

If have any other questions please feel free to contact us."

Omg I hope this comes true to the buyers, because such an mail gets out when an new product starts and then after some months where it didnt come there came then mails that it cant be realized or or or, this are mails of salemanagers!!!

But i hope the best.


cHarOn

[oldpainless68]

Not sure what your saying cHarOn, but this came from their tech support.

Mark....I hope so...I'm tracking via the Royal Mail website.....and there's been no update since the 2nd when it left china!!....I assume it's coming by plane rather than boat... :eek:

K

[cHarOn99]

yes i know my english ;-)

I wish you only that mkv comes realy, because many comanies give you the fealing what will come and then nothing comes.

cHarOn

[oldpainless68]

Some development that might be of interest to the group....MKV2TS

http://66.249.91.104/translate_c?hl=en&u=http://www.homecinema-fr.com/forum/viewtopic.php%3Ft%3D29842614%26postdays%3D0%26postorder%3Das c%26start%3D0%26sid%3D80f1fcf4ddb93b99275ef18cfeb7b0aa&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dmkv2ts%2BMain%2BConcept%2BMP4%2BDemultiplexer%2 6hl%3Den

Click on the MKV2TS link on the page, download MKV2TS and the tools ad filters......

I'm having some success....it seems to use various tools to figure out framerates etc...

K

[oldpainless68]

You will need to run the register bat in the tools folder

K

[russland]

Some development that might be of interest to the group....MKV2TS

http://66.249.91.104/translate_c?hl=en&u=http://www.homecinema-fr.com/forum/viewtopic.php%3Ft%3D29842614%26postdays%3D0%26postorder%3Das c%26start%3D0%26sid%3D80f1fcf4ddb93b99275ef18cfeb7b0aa&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dmkv2ts%2BMain%2BConcept%2BMP4%2BDemultiplexer%2 6hl%3Den

Click on the MKV2TS link on the page, download MKV2TS and the tools ad filters......

I'm having some success....it seems to use various tools to figure out framerates etc...

K

I just tried this MKV2TS tool and got the following:

MainConcept MP4 Demultiplexer n'est pas installé
MainConcept Multiplexer n'est pas installé
Elecard Sink filter n'est pas installé
AC3File n'est pas installé
Elecard MPEG Demultiplexer n'est pas installé
Elecard parser n'est pas installé
Elecard file list source n'est pas installé

Tried to translate into English with free AltaVista and it says that these tools are not installed. How did you install these extra tools?

[russland]

I just tried this MKV2TS tool and got the following:

MainConcept MP4 Demultiplexer n'est pas installé
MainConcept Multiplexer n'est pas installé
Elecard Sink filter n'est pas installé
AC3File n'est pas installé
Elecard MPEG Demultiplexer n'est pas installé
Elecard parser n'est pas installé
Elecard file list source n'est pas installé

Tried to translate into English with free AltaVista and it says that these tools are not installed. How did you install these extra tools?

I think I got it, thanks.
Will give a try

[oldpainless68]

I have some succes. Some files play great, others have A/V sync problems...but might just be my codecs

K

[Wizziwig]

FYI,

While reading some of the Chinese reviews, I noticed that people are having trouble upgrading firmware. If you receive one of these units, it's probably best to wait for official English instructions/firmware before risking killing your expensive player.

-Mark

[Mark Fontana]

Thanks for the warning, Mark. What's the general consensus of the Chinese reviews?

[oldpainless68]

FYI,

While reading some of the Chinese reviews, I noticed that people are having trouble upgrading firmware. If you receive one of these units, it's probably best to wait for official English instructions/firmware before risking killing your expensive player.

-Mark


Hi and thanks for the info. Do you have a link that describes these problems? I have done a google (which translates) and cannot find any reported issues, the only mention is of issues with other players in a mini review/faq comparing the LimHD with some other streamers.

K

[Wizziwig]

I don't know Chinese either so I'm stuck with the same bad translations as the rest of you. I do speak 3 other languages so maybe that helps a little in understanding broken English. :)

I don't recall the specific links where I saw the posts... it was just some random googling for anything about the limhd. One of the forums had links to the firmware I posted here and in the same thread were 2 users that seemed to be complaining of a broken player. Just wanted to pass that along to save you guys from damaging your player. Maybe these firmware updates have not been posted on the Tomacro site for a reason. Could be they are still testing them.

The reviews I've seen seem positive...but it's hard to be sure of specific problems because of the bad translations. Many of the sites where these players are discussed have illegal movie downloads so I'm not going to post links here. Just put 'limhd' and 'firmware' into google and see where it leads you.

[maggie@tomacro]

limHD200i uses IDE,not SATA

[oldpainless68]

limHD200i uses IDE,not SATA

Hello and welcome to the AVS board Maggie

I think most folks understand that the LimHD200i is IDE, not SATA (although nice bump!).

I have ordered one of these units from your agent (Jackie from GenDVD) and when it gets here I have offered to post a review (although having a few issues with shipping at the moment...left China on the 2nd and has yet to reach the UK).....A lot of people are keen to see what the LimHD is like.

Lastly, any news on the likleyhood of MKV support in the next firmware update?

Kind regards

Kevin

[Mark Fontana]

Welcome to AVS, Maggie! (She is Tomacro's sales manager for the American and 'Oceanian' (Overseas) markets.)

[oldpainless68]

Welcome to AVS, Maggie! (She is Tomacro's sales manager for the American and 'Oceanian' markets.)

Mark...when is your unit due to arrive?

Kevin

[Mark Fontana]

Maybe next week?

[oldpainless68]

Maybe next week?

Looks like the board will get an overview of the LimHD from two folks then...can't be a bad thing...

Kevin

[cHarOn99]

hehe 3 because the admin from hdd-player.de orders 2 examples, we will see what it can but it is to expensive for that features because the ntd37hd same hardware but more features on board will cost around 70euro less then the tomacro device.

cHarOn

[oldpainless68]

hehe 3 because the admin from hdd-player.de orders 2 examples, we will see what it can but it is to expensive for that features because the ntd37hd same hardware but more features on board will cost around 70euro less then the tomacro device.

cHarOn


Blimmey...3 reviews it is then!!... :D

Mark...fyi...my second one has just shipped via TNT express (although trying to find out which service at the mo)

Kevin

[oldpainless68]

Message for Mods: Please read

I know I'm reasonably new on the board, so please no flaming if there is a political reason was my question is wrong....which is....

Is it possible to create on the board...under Digital Media Servers & Content Streamers a subset for owners of the various manufactures that could be used to post FAQ's. Tips N Trick, firmware updates, and direct input from the manufactures? Now course I'm referring, in this instance, to Tomacro (who are willing to get involved), but the same ought to apply to other brands too.........just an idea that should benefit both user and manufacture? This way, the forum could become THE place for all things Media Streaming........ok....I'll get back in my box now....lol

Thoughts please?..!!...

Kevin

PS...if any of you know any of the mods, could you bring this question to their attention please....ta

[Hi-Jack]

The NMT already has knocked down MKV support. At the time we started looking at it (Alpha testing actually) we noticed it only handled video and no audio. A week later Syabas said:

We just got MKV audio playback up as well, but some bugs still to iron out, before we release a new firmware that supports MKV playback, estimated next week.

That has passed as well.
We tested against H.264 and MPEG4 video, and AAC audio and it all went fine, few minor bugs that are being corrected in the following weeks while i'm going to lay down at a Sunny beach in Turkey for a couple of weeks. (We also testec AVCHD (Sony and Panasonid, and it works smooth (m2ts))

More info will be posted in the blog during my leave. Sent the player for a couple
weeks to a nerd that actually has time to spare for testing files while i'm gone :-)

We look forward to the LimHD200i too. One should be with us in a couple weeks.
Anyone yet verrified if it has the EM8634 on board or not? If EM8622 is used, forget about MKV and even if it is true that the player only has 128mb, I doubt it will perform as good as we'd want tit to be.

(sorry, did not read all the posts in here...)

Enjoy
Hi-jack

[videohot]

I'm hoping their audio side will decode .flac files as well.

??

Too much to ask?

Larry

[Hi-Jack]

Just a quickie...
limHD200i is based on Sigma EM8623 so most likely won't ever support .mkv and remain
rather limited in it's H.264 apabilities against the expected EM8634 players. For now, it
seemes Syabas is still the most favorible to win the contest in being the first...

I know brands are looking into it supporting .mkv but so far all brands confirm chances are
very slim for it to happen considering the processing power is limited. That actually makes
the limHD200i just another HDD based player in the EM862x range with some H.264
capabilities but not the extreme power or support for this type of files the pro's would like.

Just cool, not awesome :-)

[oldpainless68]

Message for Mods: Please read

I know I'm reasonably new on the board, so please no flaming if there is a political reason was my question is wrong....which is....

Is it possible to create on the board...under Digital Media Servers & Content Streamers a subset for owners of the various manufactures that could be used to post FAQ's. Tips N Trick, firmware updates, and direct input from the manufactures? Now course I'm referring, in this instance, to Tomacro (who are willing to get involved), but the same ought to apply to other brands too.........just an idea that should benefit both user and manufacture? This way, the forum could become THE place for all things Media Streaming........ok....I'll get back in my box now....lol

Thoughts please?..!!...

Kevin

PS...if any of you know any of the mods, could you bring this question to their attention please....ta

And no one thinks this is the right way to go?....... :confused:

[madshi]

Just a quickie...
limHD200i is based on Sigma EM8623 so most likely won't ever support .mkv and remain
rather limited in it's H.264 apabilities against the expected EM8634 players. For now, it
seemes Syabas is still the most favorible to win the contest in being the first...

I know brands are looking into it supporting .mkv but so far all brands confirm chances are
very slim for it to happen considering the processing power is limited. That actually makes
the limHD200i just another HDD based player in the EM862x range with some H.264
capabilities but not the extreme power or support for this type of files the pro's would like.

Just cool, not awesome :-)
What chip is the Syabas based on?

I'm not really convinced yet that MKV needs more processing power than the 8623 can offer. After all MKV is just a container and not a codec! Should hardly cost any power to parse MKV.

[oldpainless68]

What chip is the Syabas based on?

I'm not really convinced yet that MKV needs more processing power than the 8623 can offer. After all MKV is just a container and not a codec! Should hardly cost any power to parse MKV.


I'm of the same view at the moment...looks like the only difference is reading the timecode in the container...

Kevin

[maggie@tomacro]

Hello Mark,
Our technicians are busy perfecting limHD200i, hoping to bring oversea fans a good impression:) and have more functions.
Please paitiently wait!
Looking forward to your suggestions!

[maggie@tomacro]

cHarOn99 :
It seems that you don't believe what salesmanager said in the mails.:(
You know, salesmanager should be responsible for what she said in the mail. Of course, I am.:)

[Hi-Jack]

The NMT has EM8634 chip and has already been tested with mkv by us.
The reason why EM8623 is not enough for mkv is purely based on tests i have seen from
brands trying to get it done (with 128mb memory) and the chip. Nothing but blocking all the
time and skipping frames, out of sync etc...

Beside that, we have already 8 brands stating it can't be done and 2 willing to try to make
the best of it. DViCo (TViX) and Tomacro (limHD200i). If it can be done, hence show it but
why hasn't it been done than before as H.264 main need is mkv...

And here's a challenge for yah... to dissagree with (and take the blame afterwards :-) )
I strongly believe even if mkv can be supported, there won't be enough flavors supported
so the best choice, even if EM8622/23 will be able to handle mkv in some limited
form, would it not still be best waiting out a few months until the "real"mature players
come with EM8634 which will "really" support mkv?

The TviX and Tomacro are/will be great players, just not for mkv and neather for mature
H.264. Who wants to spend 400$ for a "maybe" is free to take the risk? Just my 2cents.
I see these players still as HD players with some extra's in H.264 while EM8634 based
players will be mainly H.264 capable.

[oldpainless68]

Hi Jack

Is not the most common flavor of MKV this below?:

Video
Codec : MPEG-4 AVC
Codec/Info : MPEG4 ISO advanced profile
Frame rate : 23.976 fps


Audio
Codec : AC3
Codec/Info : Dolby AC3/DTS
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Sampling rate : 48 KHz

Just a question, you may be able to spread some lite on what others flavours there are?

Kevin

[Hi-Jack]

cHarOn99 :
It seems that you don't believe what salesmanager said in the mails.:(
You know, salesmanager should be responsible for what she said in the mail. Of course, I am.:)

hi Maggie,

Sales Managers main job is getting people to buy their products, let's agree on
that. If we would follow sales managers, we'd buy constantly products which
never will do what they are supposed to do and the best of it all is finding a
reason why it has not been done before the release if possible? H.264 main need
is mkv so it's the first thing that should pup up with mov and m2ts (avchd). (Does
limHD200i support mov and m2ts?)

Some things for limHD200i. It doesn't support SMB, no DVD ISO or VIDEO_TS
support, no mkv and obviously no TV Tuner option/recording and yet Tomacro says it's better than TViX? How is that? Do we need to transfer files connected over USB2 or does it support FTP File Transfer (like DViCo) to internal HDD? Does it
support NDAS? Does it reach 7mb/s transfer speed like DviCo? (There's no facts
that proove the statementes from Tomacro just yet and obviously any sales
manager considers it's own products the best). The claim of being the first 1080p
HD player is also "wrong".

When as sales manager we hear it beats the DViCo, I wonder on what? So what
are we buying if we buy it today while Tomacro says it has less bugs, is it because
it has better firmware development or tons of less features? It's very unclear and
mainly based on things that yet have to happen, yet has to be developed and
some even in months time from now. If brands release players that are only half
products, can we pay half the price now and the rest later when the firmware is
updated? :-)

Out of my experience, I would advice people not to buy the unit "until" it has the
features you are looking for or which are promised or at least some decent
independant reviews are available to see what the real deal is. Customers get to
pay the bill few to many times with these players that are released immature and
often not become mature players ever!

From a smart point of view, if Tomacro says that mkv is supported in 2 months, by
that time we might have options in EM8634 range so what's the purpose of
buying a unit today? It's all based on how you look at it.

I hope Tomacro can deliver on these features and more, including mkv and time
will tell. I'm looking forward to reviewing it and actually seeing someone
implement mkv in a stable way on a EM8623 chip and hopefully sooner than we
have availaability on EM8634 players as what would be the use otherwise.

(Why IDE and not SATA? IDE will become harder to find day by day?)

Enjoy

[Hi-Jack]

If mkv is supported, it would need MPEG4 AVC, MPEG4 ASP, Dolby digital AC3 , DTS, AAC.
You are correct to say MPEG-4 AVC is the most popular in combination with AC3 or LC-AAC.
(at least to my knowledge)

Containers supported: mkv/mov/m2ts

[conker2007]

Hi, Hi-Jack,

I have tested limHD200i, it support mov and m2ts perfectly (about 80 clips).

[Hi-Jack]

excellent. That's good news and makes the limHD200i already a perfect bridge to the
newer players unless it adds mkv, then it simply becomes a player to keep while the
EM8634 based players become more mature over time...

Thx for the feedback.

[oldpainless68]

Some things for limHD200i. It doesn't support SMB, no DVD ISO or VIDEO_TS

Where did you get that from?...I thought smb, dvd iso and video-ts is supported?

Maggie - Care to comment?

Kevin

[oldpainless68]

And re MKV....if it does not support it....anyone that wants to take an MKV (H.264 w ac3/dts) and mux it into ts or m2ts....keep an eye on this....

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=125447&page=15

the author has commited to include this feature and is busy coding....

Kevin

[oldpainless68]

Hi, Hi-Jack,

I have tested limHD200i, it support mov and m2ts perfectly (about 80 clips).


Conker....where did yoy get your LimHD from?

Kevin

[conker2007]

I'm in china mainland now, buy limHD200i from Beijing agent, and test with my friend in his home. Intel H.264 / Mpeg4-AVC also smoothly, So I believe limHD200i will support MKV without any issue

[oldpainless68]

I'm in china mainland now, buy limHD200i from Beijing agent, and test with my friend in his home.


Can you post any pictures....user interface, file types etc?...would be really useful for the forum

Kevin

[conker2007]

Okay, I'll post file list ASAP

[oldpainless68]

Okay, I'll post file list ASAP

And pictures?

Kevin

[russland]

I'm in china mainland now, buy limHD200i from Beijing agent, and test with my friend in his home. Intel H.264 / Mpeg4-AVC also smoothly, So I believe limHD200i will support MKV without any issue

Can you test one HD file with your limHD?
It doesn't play well in TViX 4100SH.
ftp url: ftp://samples@mpcclub.com:samples@ftp.mpcclub.com/Casino_Royal_h264_AC3_clip.ts
This URL works in Mozilla Firefox, but not in IE.
Username - samples@mpcclub.com
Password - samples

[oldpainless68]

Maybe next week?

Mark, are you tracking yours?....

Kevin

[conker2007]

limHD200i testing, all these videos can play smoothly:
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1 Apple mov H.264 codec
barnyard_h1080p.mov
cars-tlr_1_h1080p.mov
cornell_m1080p.mov
happy_feet_h1080p.mov
ice_age_2-tlrD_h1080p.mov
ice_age_2-tsr_h1080p.mov
open_season-tlr2_h1080p.mov
over_the_hedge-tlr1_h1080p.mov
tml-ah_m720p.mov
wildlifehd-r_m720p.mov
click-tlr1_h1080p.mov
e27930_b2r.mov
eight_below_h1080p.mov
employeeofthemonth-tlr2a_h1080p.mov
ghost_rider-tsr_h1080p.mov
pans_labyrinth-tlr_h1080p.mov
poseidon-tlr3a_h1080p.mov
rv-tlr_h1080p.mov
shes_the_man_h1080p.mov
slither_h1080p.mov
spider-man_3-tsr_h1080p.mov
take_the_lead_h1080p.mov
talladega_nights-tsr_h1080p.mov
turistas_h1080p.mov
ultraviolet-tlr1_h1080p.mov
whenastrangercalls_h1080p.mov
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
2 Mpeg-4 AVC codec
Shaun of the Dead.HDTV.1080i.H264.dd5.1
Beyonce.at.the.BBC.Beyonce.hdtv.h264.DD51.1080i
Billy.Elliot.hdtv.h264.DTS.1080p
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