Lots of talk around here about all the HD DVD player sales with Toshiba's promotions. Is this enough to see some increases in HD DVD disc sales? What do you think and why?

Cheers,

Grant

of course not, why would you even ask such a silly question. that makes no sense at all. why would more players out there equate to more sales of movies?

No doubt. Depends on what time frame you're looking at though. I don't expect to see HD-DVD disk sales just take off all of the sudden. But what I do expect is that the floor will continue to rise as time goes on, until HD-DVD disk sales are every bit as heathly as BD sales, if not healthier.

I though so then I wondered how many bought the HD-A2 during the $100.00 off promotion as a second player.

I noticed an increase in price on the "budget"* HD DVDs over the last couple of weeks.

*Budget being used or liquidated New Discs (i.e. look under the Amazon new/used section)

Lots of talk around here about all the HD DVD player sales with Toshiba's promotions. Is this enough to see some increases in HD DVD disc sales? What do you think and why?They might lower the attach rates, but they should increase the numbers for HD DVDs sold. Even if some people who buy them end up buying zero discs (or zero extra discs over their current player), there are others who will buy discs. If the Blu-ray side just sits around and doesn't react, then I would expect to see the ratio of disc sales to move in the positive direction for HD DVD.

I do wonder if Toshiba is going to have promotions outside of the US or North America or if their strategy is more to concentrate these there and hope that is enough.

--Darin

I know for me it did, just got my a2 friday, and just put my order in for another 10 HD DVD's. Which brings me to a total of 18 new movies ;) .

Did people buy HDDVD players to watch BDs on? :confused:

Great thing about HDDVD players is your going to buy HDDVDs for it.

W/ the ps3 you've got gamers and movie watchers so it can go either way.


Although with the low prices of the A2s one may buy it as a upconverting player. But I'd say 99% of HDDVD player buyers are getting the machine for HDDVDs.

Great thing about HDDVD players is your going to buy HDDVDs for it.

W/ the ps3 you've got gamers and movie watchers so it can go either way.


Although with the low prices of the A2s one may buy it as a upconverting player. But I'd say 99% of HDDVD player buyers are getting the machine for HDDVDs.


The other option is to buy it as an upconverter and RENT HD-DVD's until the war is over.



Figured I'd mention it because it's been a known thing to happen around here.

OP, It's hard to imagine anyone would do otherwise? I suppose there's somebody out there that will be content with 5 attach discs. My library grows monthly.

of course not, why would you even ask such a silly question. that makes no sense at all. why would more players out there equate to more sales of movies?

Are you serious? :confused: Who's going to buy a new player and not get any movies for it? Simple logic would say, for example, if there were only half the amount of players sold then there is now, there would only be approximately half the amount of discs sold.

Lots of talk around here about all the HD DVD player sales with Toshiba's promotions. Is this enough to see some increases in HD DVD disc sales? What do you think and why?

Cheers,

Grant
Of course. It's like asking if you'll ever need to buy more food to feed the family when you have 5 kids verses only one.

With Batman Begins on HDDVD moving back up in the slaes rankings is a good indication the new HDDVD player owners are buying movies.

Did people buy HDDVD players to watch BDs on? :confused:

No, but I'm sure there are other HD-DVD player owners like me who don't buy many movies. Ok, I couldn't pass up the $19.99 Matrix deal. But in general I prefer to rent from Netflix...since I usually watch a movie once or twice. Not worth it to me to pay $20+ if I'm only going to play it a couple of times.

Lots of talk around here about all the HD DVD player sales with Toshiba's promotions. Is this enough to see some increases in HD DVD disc sales? What do you think and why?

Cheers,

Grant

I rent while waiting for the prices to go down - $20-25 per disk is a bit too much for me....

I rent while waiting for the prices to go down - $20-25 per disk is a bit too much for me....

I always find this quote humorous seeing as most new SD DVD releases are about the same price for about the first 6 months they are out (except for the 1st week sale of course) and they seem to sell just fine.

I do think that non-combos should ALL be 19.99 and combos should be 24.99. It would just make sense. I know its up to the releasing studio, but maybe HD DVD should make such a request.

Lots of talk around here about all the HD DVD player sales with Toshiba's promotions. Is this enough to see some increases in HD DVD disc sales? What do you think and why?

Cheers,

Grant
Going by the attach rate of HD DVD owners, I would say tremendously!
Studies show that HD DVD owners buy a lot of movies, put 2 & 2 together...HD DVD wins. :)

Are you serious? :confused: Who's going to buy a new player and not get any movies for it? Simple logic would say, for example, if there were only half the amount of players sold then there is now, there would only be approximately half the amount of discs sold.


the guy asked a stupid question so i gave him a stupid answer.

Unlike the PS3, HD-DVD owners buy standalones to WATCH MOVIES! So an increase in hardware will most CERTAINLY lead to an inrease in movie sales. For sure. Whether its the same ratio as before, who knows......:)

To me, the question is... after buying the movie that they bought the player for, what is left???

So let's says, because of the current price reducts, somebody jumps on board to get the Matrix Trilogy, what is left for them to say I WANT THAT!!!

Chances are, whomever is buying the player, may already have the SD of whatever is already out, so they're not double dipping. So that leaves future releases.

300!!!!
Heroes (box set, so it atleast it goes for more money to Universal)
Grindhouse (maybe)

I love HD-DVD, and am willing to shell out big money on a blind buy of Children of Men, Smokin Aces, Alpha Dog etc, but will the guy that just paid $300 for a player do it???

The obvious answer to the OP's question is yes, but it all boils down to how good/important Home Theater is to the purchaser!

I watched The Matrix Trilogy tonight, and I must say, the most impressive part of the entire experience was the SQ. Now, how many people have a sub/room powerful enough to make the experience good enough to say "I'm fully on board and willing to buy this/that/all"?

That is the whole quandary in a nutshell!! Home Theater is a niche market now, but we may not be far away from entering the general populous. How long that takes has a major influence on the "war". Now, if people would quit liking the likes of AI, we would be GOLD!!!!!!!

With Batman Begins on HDDVD moving back up in the slaes rankings is a good indication the new HDDVD player owners are buying movies.
This post should have ended this thread.

Oh and :eek: :D :D at some people who are trying to imply that more HDDVD players on homes is a...bad thing for HDDVD!!!

To me, the question is... after buying the movie that they bought the player for, what is left???

So let's says, because of the current price reducts, somebody jumps on board to get the Matrix Trilogy, what is left for them to say I WANT THAT!!!

Chances are, whomever is buying the player, may already have the SD of whatever is already out, so they're not double dipping. So that leaves future releases.

300!!!!
Heroes (box set, so it atleast it goes for more money to Universal)
Grindhouse (maybe)

I love HD-DVD, and am willing to shell out big money on a blind buy of Children of Men, Smokin Aces, Alpha Dog etc, but will the guy that just paid $300 for a player do it???

The obvious answer to the OP's question is yes, but it all boils down to how good/important Home Theater is to the purchaser!

I watched The Matrix Trilogy tonight, and I must say, the most impressive part of the entire experience was the SQ. Now, how many people have a sub/room powerful enough to make the experience good enough to say "I'm fully on board and willing to buy this/that/all"?

That is the whole quandary in a nutshell!! Home Theater is a niche market now, but we may not be far away from entering the general populous. How long that takes has a major influence on the "war". Now, if people would quit liking the likes of AI, we would be GOLD!!!!!!!
Why wouldn't someone want to buy movies like Host,Shooter,Zodiac and more??

If you are saying that huge blockbusters(and new ones at that not catalogue releases) are the only thing that people are buying then the DVD(not just high-def) market would be dead.

Why wouldn't someone want to buy movies like Host,Shooter,Zodiac and more??

If you are saying that huge blockbusters(and new ones at that not catalogue releases) are the only thing that people are buying then the DVD(not just high-def) market would be dead.I just named the big ones (the for SURES). I haven't seen Zodiac, but I'm a GIGANTIC David Fincher fan and will blind buy the hell out of it!!!! Will the general public?? Not sure

I guess my point was, will the general public shell out $30 for a blind buy, enough for it to translate to "more disc sales" (which I believe the OP meant, significantly? I think some of my other points were semi valid)

I'm even looking forward to the classics--Cat People and Streets of Fire.

the guy asked a stupid question so i gave him a stupid answer.

I guess my sarcasm detector was a little off yesterday :p

With Batman Begins on HDDVD moving back up in the slaes rankings is a good indication the new HDDVD player owners are buying movies.Doesn't look like BB has moved up all that much over the last month and a half to me, without other reasons. I don't feel like creating an account to post the picture right now, but people can go to:

http://www.hdgamedb.com/amazon/history.aspx?TYPE=10&SPAN=0

pick the movie comparison, pick "Batman Begins", pick 90 days, and update the graph. Right now that shows the start of the graph an February 27th at #400. The rise back to about #400 on May 22nd makes sense to me based on people ordering things together and all the new releases that day. The April 15th rise makes sense from the buy day that HD DVD people around here did. Today is another organized buy day and BB is at #626 as I type this. The average over the last 90 days looks like it is around #700 to #750 to me and maybe #650 over the last 45 days. And yesterday (before the buy day) it started around #750 and moved up some during the day.

I expect the price drop on the HD-A2 to increase sales for BB, but so far I just don't see this good indication from the BB rankings. Looks like most of the same for BB that we've seen much of the year.

--Darin

With Batman Begins on HDDVD moving back up in the slaes rankings is a good indication the new HDDVD player owners are buying movies.

Check on Serenity.
That one is going up also.

Check on Serenity.
That one is going up also.Today is one of those manipulate the rankings days that both formats do sometimes. I looked at the 90 day graph for Serenity and I see that yesterday its average was a little lower (around #2000) that its average over the last 90 days (looks like around #1700 to me) and its average over the last 45 days (around #1500). Of course it has moved up on one of the buy days and is now a little under #1000. We can watch it after the buy day effect wears off and see if it maintains a higher ranking that its average over the past.

--Darin

Maybe my question was stupid; however, the PS3 has sold lots of units if you look at it as a BD player, but there are several reasons why the attach rate for it is rather low. As someone said if people are buying the Toshiba players as a second or third player or an unconverting player then higher player sales may not translate into higher disc sales. Hopefully for HD DVD most of the sales are going to "new" owners who have a thirst to own HD DVDs. Toshiba now needs to persuade the supporting studios to drop disc prices and then we can see if the format can take off.

Cheers,

Grant

I always find this quote humorous seeing as most new SD DVD releases are about the same price for about the first 6 months they are out (except for the 1st week sale of course) and they seem to sell just fine.

I do think that non-combos should ALL be 19.99 and combos should be 24.99. It would just make sense. I know its up to the releasing studio, but maybe HD DVD should make such a request.

Why is it humorous? I rent SD DVDs as well :)

Maybe my question was stupid; however, the PS3 has sold lots of units if you look at it as a BD player, but there are several reasons why the attach rate for it is rather low. As someone said if people are buying the Toshiba players as a second or third player or an unconverting player then higher player sales may not translate into higher disc sales. Hopefully for HD DVD most of the sales are going to "new" owners who have a thirst to own HD DVDs. Toshiba now needs to persuade the supporting studios to drop disc prices and then we can see if the format can take off.

Cheers,

Grant

I understood your questions as "...will increased sales of Toshiba players help close the sales gap between HD DVD and BD disc?" (PS3 sales have really died down since launch - all the fanboys and gamer got their gaming platform... and maybe buy a movie now and then....) :)

Maybe my question was stupid; however, the PS3 has sold lots of units if you look at it as a BD player, but there are several reasons why the attach rate for it is rather low. As someone said if people are buying the Toshiba players as a second or third player or an unconverting player then higher player sales may not translate into higher disc sales. Hopefully for HD DVD most of the sales are going to "new" owners who have a thirst to own HD DVDs. Toshiba now needs to persuade the supporting studios to drop disc prices and then we can see if the format can take off.

Cheers,

Grant

Well, that's great if people are buying the A2 as an upscaler, the more such buyers, the better! :)

That's what I did last July with my HDV5000, and although I haven't bought a lot of HD DVD's since then, I've bought some! Once the player is present, it has the same Trojan Horse effect Sony counted on with the PS3. Just a matter of time before people are overcome with the itch to buy a favorite title on HD.

On amazon.com along with the H-A2 selling like crazy ,the HDDVD titles are rising on the charts.

i bought an a2 one week ago. with all the good dvd promotions my collection has grown to 13 titles. also i have 4 best buys and circuit citys within 8 miles of my house and they are all sold out of the a2's. my guess disc sales are on the rise

On amazon.com along with the H-A2 selling like crazy ,the HDDVD titles are rising on the charts.

Since today is an organized "HD DVD buy day", that fact will probably be skewing today's results. However, given the instant rebates cover several weeks, the over time impact on title sales should be very interesting :)!

I blame the green box on the shelves. $70.00 for the Matrrix in HD? Sold!

All I need now is the player :)

I blame the green box on the shelves. $70.00 for the Matrrix in HD? Sold!

All I need now is the player :)

XA2 baby is the way to go.

I already have the AI but XA2 might be an option in the future.

On amazon.com along with the H-A2 selling like crazy ,the HDDVD titles are rising on the charts.One reason I dislike what I call the "manipulate the rankings days" (on both sides). It is hard to tell what the movements are from if there are also other things going on and makes the rankings close to useless (other that to know that sales on Amazon are low enough than an organized group can have a big impact on them). I'll wait a few days before I put much stock in the Amazon disc rankings again.

--Darin

Lots of talk around here about all the HD DVD player sales with Toshiba's promotions. Is this enough to see some increases in HD DVD disc sales? What do you think and why?

Cheers,

Grant

How many HD DVD players must be sold before the HD DVD SW sales match BD?

I picked up an A2 the Sunday of the price drop (last A2 they had in the Best Buy by the way - early evening time frame) and purchased Batman Begins with the player. I've already ordered Eternal Sunshine off Amazon and plan to pick up Serenity and probably V for Vendetta rather shortly. Plus, I'm looking at importing Mulholland Drive and T2.

I'm just one person, but I'm sure there are a bunch like me waiting for that psychologically correct 299 price point. I used to own about 350 DVDs by the way if it at all helps trying to gauge adoption strategy. I have had an Xbox 360 since launch and held out for a stand alone as well.

How many HD DVD players must be sold before the HD DVD SW sales match BD?


not many as of right now the software sales are pretty close.

with Amazon sales stats showing the A2 in the #1 spot for DVD player sales and in the #2 spot for any item sold on amazon I would say HD DVD continues a steady climb and should be a close 2d to BD and then overtake BD in time, just a gut feeling :D