Here's the review for Forza2 from Teamxbox.com guys.

http://reviews.teamxbox.com/xbox-360/1330/Forza-Motorsport-2/p1/

*Edit* Here's the gamespot review too

http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/driving/forzamotorsport2/review.html?sid=6171672&tag=topslot;title;1&om_act=convert&om_clk=topslot

And the IGN one.

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/792/792572p1.html

seems about right.

Man, if I had 1/10th the free time I had as a teen I would take a serious look at this game. I'm too scared off of just thinking of the investment in life needed. :p

Sounds good. A high score on gameplay and longevity means lots of hours wasted! That's one way to get my $60 worth. 1 more day :D

graphically the demo was a disapointment, even playing it, didnt seem much different or better then the first one. was Looking forward to this one, but gonna pass.

graphically the demo was a disapointment, even playing it, didnt seem much different or better then the first one. was Looking forward to this one, but gonna pass.

You can rent it to see if you might like it.

Yea read it..seems about right from the demo the we got..sure is going to be fun..

1 the demo was an arcade mode in the game. 2 the wireless wheel did not had the setup features that are in the final version such as dead zone and push zones for the petals. anyone who played the demo with the ms wirless wheel may have notice the brake being either on or off when pressing it. this cause the car to slide straight forward. this will not be the case in the retail game. i for one can not wait for the game to go online and race all different cars and be able to buy them at auction will be cool. how many times in a racing game did your friend have a cool car and say i'm tired of that one i wish i could give it to ya! well here's the chance. i have been searching the net for photos of painted cars and what is out there is amazing. 4000 layers over the original 400 in forza 1 there is going to be some crazy looking cars out there.

graphically the demo was a disapointment, even playing it, didnt seem much different or better then the first one. was Looking forward to this one, but gonna pass.

/agree

I like the concept of the game, but the graphics were a disapointment.

If the numbers for graphics and sound were swapped with gameplay and longevity, I would not be buying this game.

Graphics and sounds, I can adapt to but bad gameplay, no thanks. Can't wait for tomorrow!!!

Like game reviews, I worry about first impressions had a lot to do with that rating.

Like game reviews, I worry about first impressions had a lot to do with that rating.Read the review, and you won't be so worried.

EDIT: That may sound a little brusque, so I'll elaborate. Given how underwhelmed a lot of people were with the demo, I'd say if anything, the first impression leaves a reviewer with a huge uphill climb. But as a Forza 1 fan reading that review, it's clear to me that TeamXbox has spent tons of time in the career mode tuning the vehicles and adjusting performance. Buying an engine that puts your generi-car in a whole new class, for example, is one example of something that requires a lot of time putting rubber to pavement. Moreover, the review concludes with some very pointed remarks about the flatness of the visuals and audio. The game's score is definitely a reflection of the gameplay -- which, ultimately, is the most important factor in a game's longevity.

I think the review is a little generous really. We'll see, I'll get my hands on the full game and decide myself.

I don't like under-critical reviews. They really sugar coated the audio-visual deficiencies of the game. The 'bad parts' of the game deserved more than just two paragraphs out of the four pages of the article; there were no details.

I'm buying the game regardless, but that review was really weak.

I don't like under-critical reviews. They really sugar coated the audio-visual deficiencies of the game.

"The major gripes of Forza Motorsport 2 boil down to presentation items really, which is counterintuitive to what we’ve come to expect in the next generation. Usually the graphics and audio run at a high clip in full-budget 360 games, but it’s hard to consider Forza Motorsport 2 pretty visually or aurally. ... Maybe its due to the lack of post-prod work (again, probably left off to keep the framerate stratospheric) or the techniques implemented in the skinning and lighting/shadowing departments. Whatever the case may be, Forza Motorsport 2 looks flat and uninteresting on many occasions. Even during replays."

I wouldn't call that sugar-coating. Seems pretty straightforward and honest to me.

The 'bad parts' of the game deserved more than just two paragraphs out of the four pages of the article; there were no details.I disagree. First of all, it was three paragraphs, not two. Second, what else do they need to say, exactly? What 'details' could they offer that the reader can't glean from the screen shots? This game is all about the tuning and the physics, and that's how the reviewer approached it. If anything, the review should have gone more in-depth with regard to the driving experience itself as opposed to the implementation of tire data.

the review could have mentioned the online stuff more, the auction for example, but other then that, I think it was fairly spot on. I just can't say I'd give it a 9.3 based on the limited play I've seen via the the demo. Based on the demo, I "might" give it a a 7.8 - 8.0. Rather average actually. If I based it on console games alone, I'd give it a higher number, but if I take other platforms in to account, Forza 2 ain't all dat.

another review

watch some of the drifting videos, they are crazy

http://www.projectblkj.com/

I've done enough reading info/impressions about F2 to know that you cannot base judgement of the full game from the demo. The demo really wasn't THAT bad..some guys make it like the demo was the worse thing that ever happened in their lives!

If a few jaggies turn you off of this game, maybe you would rather not play racing games in general?

Most of my buds play shooters, and just were turned off by Forza demo, mainly for petty reasons. But they never complain about the graphic deiciencies/glitches in R6v (and there are many). Of course, some people just like it pretty, but PGR isn't coming for awhile...

Me, I can't get the game off my mind! Most likely won't score it today, but tomorrow it's on! Not even for racing, but to check out the auction house, and livery editor!

"The major gripes of Forza Motorsport 2 boil down to presentation items really, which is counterintuitive to what we’ve come to expect in the next generation. Usually the graphics and audio run at a high clip in full-budget 360 games, but it’s hard to consider Forza Motorsport 2 pretty visually or aurally. ... Maybe its due to the lack of post-prod work (again, probably left off to keep the framerate stratospheric) or the techniques implemented in the skinning and lighting/shadowing departments. Whatever the case may be, Forza Motorsport 2 looks flat and uninteresting on many occasions. Even during replays."

I wouldn't call that sugar-coating. Seems pretty straightforward and honest to me.

I disagree. First of all, it was three paragraphs, not two. Second, what else do they need to say, exactly? What 'details' could they offer that the reader can't glean from the screen shots? This game is all about the tuning and the physics, and that's how the reviewer approached it. If anything, the review should have gone more in-depth with regard to the driving experience itself as opposed to the implementation of tire data.
Sugar-coated galore. Good god, the reviewer was even making excuses for the development team.

The point of reading a review is to get somebody's qualified (and perhaps quantified) opinion about a subject, both positive and negative. The point is not for the reader to make they're own opinions based on supplemental media (screenshots, etc...). I have my opinion already made, but it's far from qualified at this point just based off the demo.

I do agree with you about where you feel the review lacked depth. Furthermore, their rhetoric discussing the implementation of tire data is superfluous, better suited to a preview rather than a review. Does the tire system work, yes or no? Who cares how they did it (in a review).

you won't notice the graphics issues when you are playing the game. At least I don't.

for most people that say graphics is bad on this game are looking for graphics like in the Dirt demo. That HDR and blur in the game is really bad. without blurring in that game, it would have looked really bad.

Sound in Forza 2 is fine. if you want to listen to music get your own. engine sounds are supposed to sound like that. I don't know what they are talking about when they said sound was bad. do they except 100 songs to be in there or something?

you won't notice the graphics issues when you are playing the game. At least I don't.
I think if you are more focused on a jaggy rather than negotiating your next turn with the lead car ahead of you... then, well whatever.

Sugar-coated galore. I would say then that your definition of the term is much different from mine. Again, read the specific criticisms of the graphics. They weren't holding back their disappointment in the visuals.

Good god, the reviewer was even making excuses for the development team.According to TeamXbox, the development team delivered a deep, rich, comprehensive driving and tuning experience. No excuses were offered or necessary, methinks.

The point of reading a review is to get somebody's qualified (and perhaps quantified) opinion about a subject, both positive and negative.And with the TeamXbox review, we got both in adequate measure. Especially in light of the fact that you haven't even played the full game yet, it seems really odd that you find yourself able to disagree so strongly with the final score.

I never said that I disagreed with the final score, where did you get that?

If you correctly re-read my post, rather than just snip quotes out of context, I myself claimed that I am not qualified to comment on the game from just playing the demo, hence my interest in a solid review. This review is far from solid (can I hazard to guess that it was sold?), and isn't much more informative than any of the umpteen previews that I've already read about the game. Describing a game does not equal reviewing a game.

Maybe it's just me, but I prefer reviews to be critical.

I never said that I disagreed with the final score, where did you get that?I guess you didn't. My bad.

If you correctly re-read my post, rather than just snip quotes out of context, I myself claimed that I am not qualified to comment on the game from just playing the demo, hence my interest in a solid review.The review was plenty solid. The point was to convey the depth of the career, tuning, and driving portions of Forza 2 and assign a final score. I don't know what you think the reviewers aren't saying; the score is broken down succinctly and the enthusiasm of the reviewer for car tweaking is evident. Any intelligent reader should be able to read this particular review and know whether F2 is suited for them or not.

This review is far from solid (can I hazard to guess that it was sold?),It's always a cheap and unfair shot to say that the developers (and/or advertising money) paid for a good review. You know better than that.

and isn't much more informative than any of the umpteen previews that I've already read about the game. Describing a game does not equal reviewing a game.Agreed, the review contains too little reflection on whether the details make a game that's fun to play (especially in terms of driving), but there's nothing wrong with a review that confirms what pre-release previews said, either.

Maybe it's just me, but I prefer reviews to be critical.As I already pointed out, the review was critical in the areas that mattered. The A/V flaws were plainly pointed out and there was fair warning that non tweak-aholics might not have as much fun with F2. There's really nothing more that TeamXbox could have, or needed to, say about the presentation.

dub273,

Well put.

Here's the gamespot review too.

http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/driving/forzamotorsport2/review.html?sid=6171672&tag=topslot;title;1&om_act=convert&om_clk=topslot

Here is IGN's review http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/792/792572p1.html