i know that this particular model from philips ships sometime in June... does any one know the exact date it will show up in show rooms or the exact date it will ship.

Hi ALL>
Just got off with the Electronics Buyer for Sam's Club. He said if he was not mistaken heard that Philps had shelved the 63PFP7422D release date due to the rapid LCD market overtaking the plasma market. I had told him I was waiting for a call back from Philips marketing PR firm in Atlanta to find out if it was going to be released. The SAM's Club rep, wants this TV himself, and gave me his direct number to find out from me when I hear back from Philips. Let's see what we have in store, I will keep you posted.

AJ :rolleyes:

the samsung 63" 1080p that this philips will share the glass from has already been released so philips should have it out soon let's hope.

Well my friends another blow to us waiting for the 63" 1080P, just got off the phone with the Costco membership clubs electronics buying office in Washington State, same info that I got from Sam's Club buying office, looks like Philips has shevled the plans to make the 63PFP7422D, it looks like its not going to happen. This is what they have been told by the Reps from Philips, with no confirmation that it is a go, and no presentations or offers from the representatives to the buyers, it looks like its dead.

Will keep you updated.

AJ in TPA

they can't seem to keep the philips 768p 63" on the site for any decent lenght of time, costco only has 6 plasmas for sale online right now, it goes up/down daily. they need to get their buying department alot more motivated if they want to keep the online sales numbers up.

Called Magnolia Home Theater (Best Buy) in East Palo Alto, CA today. They have the 63PFP7422D in their system at a price of $5999 (year, I asked him to verify) but no release date. If shelved, BB/Magnolia hasn 't been notified.

they changed the msrp?

Sorry, I am not buying this info that the Philips 1080p plasma has been shelved.

The rumor or what ever ya want to call it makes no sense at all.

Philips knows this is a very much waited for plasma and there has been alot of buzz about this panel ever since it was anounced at CES.

If Philips was so worried about the LCD market Im sure they would still release the 1080p 63 incher while working on a 60"+ size LCD.

Philips and a few other companys KNOW there is a big demand for 60" inch plus size plasmas.

There is no way any company right now could come out with a over 60 inch LCD at a price even close to the same sized plasma at this time.

Those are just a few of the reasons this rumor/post makes no sense at all.

Sorry, Im not buyin it,,, the plasma shelving rumor that is.

The Philips 1080p 63 incher plasma I do plan on buying.

Davyo

Sorry, I am not buying this info that the Philips 1080p plasma has been shelved. The rumor or what ever ya want to call it makes no sense at all.
Philips knows this is a very much waited for plasma and there has been alot of buzz about this panel ever since it was anounced at CES. If Philips was so worried about the LCD market Im sure they would still release the 1080p 63 incher while working on a 60"+ size LCD. Philips and a few other companys KNOW there is a big demand for 60" inch plus size plasmas. There is no way any company right now could come out with a over 60 inc h LCD at a price even close to the same sized plasma at this time. Those are just a few of the reasons this rumor/post makes no sense at all. Sorry, Im not buyin it,,, the plasma shelving rumor that is. The Philips 1080p 63 incher plasma I do plan on buying.Davyo


Agreed....no way anything involving LCD's the last few months impacts a plasma already in final development. Someone is giving out half-truths as informational fact.

In fact, wholesale LCD pricing has STABILIZED/INCREASED the last few months. If the price of LCD's had cratered by 40%, I might buy the explanation.

Agreed....no way anything involving LCD's the last few months impacts a plasma already in final development. Someone is giving out half-truths as informational fact.

In fact, wholesale LCD pricing has STABILIZED/INCREASED the last few months. If the price of LCD's had cratered by 40%, I might buy the explanation.

Double Ditto agreed !!!!!!!!!

Me thinks it could be that this "information fact" that was posted by a new-bie AVS'er with only 2 post so far is not true.
During my years on AVS I have seen more than a few new poster's post stuff on AVS that were not true just to have some very un-cool fun at our expense.
Hopefully thats not the case and the poster is being honest with the info that he was givin, while Im quite certain that the info he was givin, if he was, is not correct.

Davyo

That said, the need for the double-whatever technology for 1080p is 30% more expensive for plasma than for LCD. So plasma 1080p has a speedbump coming down the line, since the consensus is they must be cheaper than LCD to be competitive (not sure why since I think overall plasma is better and worthy of a premium, not a discount).

Double Ditto agreed !!!!!!!!!

Me thinks it could be that this "information fact" that was posted by a new-bie AVS'er with only 2 post so far is not true.
During my years on AVS I have seen more than a few new poster's post stuff on AVS that were not true just to have some very un-cool fun at our expense.
Hopefully thats not the case and the poster is being honest with the info that he was givin, while Im quite certain that the info he was givin, if he was, is not correct.

Davyo

This is the Honest Truth that I have made these calls and spoken to these buyers THIS WEEK at Costco and Sams, I invite you to call on them. I have been checking for this TV as I purchased a 63PF9631D/37 at 768P and have it still in the box unopened, checking on when the other comes in so i can upgrade it to the 1080p. Philips in Georgia has not retuned my calls oncerning the release date. Online merchants also have the 1080p mdel listed and priced, again without the product being released. THESE ARE THE FACTS THAT I WAS GIVEN FROM BENTONVILLE AND WASHINGTON STATE.

I have nothing to gain from misinformation. Will let you know what I find out as I find out and you can take it for what it's worth. Regards..

This is the Honest Truth that I have made these calls and spoken to these buyers THIS WEEK at Costco and Sams, I invite you to call on them. I have been checking for this TV as I purchased a 63PF9631D/37 at 768P and have it still in the box unopened, checking on when the other comes in so i can upgrade it to the 1080p. Philips in Georgia has not retuned my calls oncerning the release date. Online merchants also have the 1080p mdel listed and priced, again without the product being released. THESE ARE THE FACTS THAT I WAS GIVEN FROM BENTONVILLE AND WASHINGTON STATE.

I have nothing to gain from misinformation. Will let you know what I find out as I find out and you can take it for what it's worth. Regards..

Hey "TampaAVKing" I ment no disrespect and you posting back on this thread is proof that you are being helpful and providing the info you were givin.

Some times on this and other forums new people will join up and post un-true'ities just to mess with the forum members.

Anyhow, with all that being said, welcome to AVS.

On the Philips thing, Im really hopin that the folks at Sams and Costco are rong, that would suck if the 63 incher did not come out as it is top on my shopping list.
I just got thru emailing Philips and asked them about the 63" plasma, I do hope they respond.

And thanks for the heads up on this plasma perhaps being shelved.


Davyo

Philips 63” 1080p Plasma


For further information please contact:

Philips
Lindsay Woods
770-821-2392
lindsay.woods@philips.com


Here is some info from the tv's promotional leaflet. Anyone who is interested in news straight from the horse's mouth can send an email to the above address. However, whether it comes out or not, the main point here is pricing. I expect to see a significant price difference compared to the 63 Samsung in order to be convinced to get this. hdmi 1.3 would also be nice. Let's hope Philips will manage to come through.

The head of Philips USA is supposed to contact me soon...I'll report back when I hear from him.

Not to go OT but why worry about the Philips when the Samsung 63" 1080p is available today for a great price? The Philips will basically be a rebadged Samsung anyway and their MSRPs are nearly the same. The Philips may be available a little cheaper on the street but its not here yet whereas the Samsung is. Not dogging Philips mind you, just bringing up a point.

Any reviews on the 63" 1080p Sammy?

Not to go OT but why worry about the Philips when the Samsung 63" 1080p is available today for a great price? The Philips will basically be a rebadged Samsung anyway and their MSRPs are nearly the same. The Philips may be available a little cheaper on the street but its not here yet whereas the Samsung is. Not dogging Philips mind you, just bringing up a point.

If the Philips 63" had the same PQ and features as the 9631 or 9731, we'd be getting execellent PQ and tons of features, moreso than the Samsung. I'm sure the Sammy is a good TV, too....we need to see more 1080p sets in the next few months.

The head of Philips USA is supposed to contact me soon...I'll report back when I hear from him.
Don't forget to tell The Head of Philips to look at his Feet & let us know where they're going as to the 63PFP7422D. This sounds like a bad porn flick, Is it coming or not. I hope so.

If the Philips 63" had the same PQ and features as the 9631 or 9731, we'd be getting execellent PQ and tons of features, moreso than the Samsung. I'm sure the Sammy is a good TV, too....we need to see more 1080p sets in the next few months.

True. And actually it appears the MSRP I had seen quoted by one source was off to the tune of 1k less than what it really is - $7000. So the Samsung actually has a considerably higher MSRP than the Philips at $5500. This is likely to lead to the Philips being somewhat lower on the street.

Not to go OT but why worry about the Philips when the Samsung 63" 1080p is available today for a great price? The Philips will basically be a rebadged Samsung anyway and their MSRPs are nearly the same. The Philips may be available a little cheaper on the street but its not here yet whereas the Samsung is. Not dogging Philips mind you, just bringing up a point.

As I recall the MSRP for the Sammy is around 7K or more, while the MSRP for the Philips has been talked about at around 5k or less.
The Sammy is sellng for close to the same price as the 65" Panny, I think most of us would oppt for the Panny since the prices are so close.
The Philips looks like it might be going for a lot less than the Sammy 63" or the Panny 65".
I think that would be the reason for so much interest in the Philips.

Davyo

As I recall the MSRP for the Sammy is around 7K or more, while the MSRP for the Philips has been talked about at around 5k or less.
The Sammy is sellng for close to the same price as the 65" Panny, I think most of us would oppt for the Panny since the prices are so close.
The Philips looks like it might be going for a lot less than the Sammy 63" or the Panny 65".
I think that would be the reason for so much interest in the Philips.

You missed my second post directly above.

But that said - check Cleveland Plasma. The Samsung street price is nowhere near the Panasonic street price - its significantly less. In fact its significantly lower than even what the shadiest of the online retailers will "sell you the Panasonic" for.

No offense taken, I just hope like you that Sams and Costco are mistaken as well. I am itching to open my 768P but will give it another week. BTW. Lindsey Woods with Philips listed above has not returned my numerous call and emails.

i got an email from their customer care...they don't know either or they do know and they wont tell us. this is the email.

Dear Mr. Cortez,

Thank you for your email to Philips Customer Care.

We appreciate your interest in the Philips 63PFP7422D Plasma Television. As of
now, we don't have information yet on when the television would come out.

For information about this model, please log on to www.philipsusa.com and/or
www.store.philips.com.

For further inquiries, you may email us again at www.philipsusa.com or call us
at 1-888-PHILIPS (744-5477) between Monday-Saturday 7:00 AM - 11:00 PM EST, and
on Sunday 8:00 AM - 11:00 PM EST (Excluding major holidays). Your call will be
answered by an Interactive Voice Response Unit. Follow the prompts and be
prepared to state your model number so you can be routed appropriately. Please
have the reference number 4VSC7 ready
and a Customer Service Representative will be happy to assist you.

They have this TV at the Las Vegas Costco. I don't believe it's 1080p just 1080i.

They have this TV at the Las Vegas Costco. I don't believe it's 1080p just 1080i.

Not possible.

The only 1080i glass is Hitachi's ALiS and it does not come in 63" size. You are probably thinking 720p, not 1080i. However, that would be the older model. The new model is indeed 1080p.

They have this TV at the Las Vegas Costco. I don't believe it's 1080p just 1080i.
mkoesel is right, you have it mixed up a little.

costco currently only carries the 63" 768p 9631 model, sometimes online or in the warehouse sale stores.

They have this TV at the Las Vegas Costco. I don't believe it's 1080p just 1080i.

I live in Vegas as well, the Philips 63 incher in Costco is the 720p panel.

Davyo

The Philips looks like it might be going for a lot less than the Sammy 63" or the Panny 65". I think that would be the reason for so much interest in the Philips. Davyo

Huh....the Philips is going for LESS and that's why there's less interest? I think something got lost in translation. ;) ;) :) :)

I do believe the lack of Ambilight is a big factor. I know alot of Philips buyers who loved their 42" or 50" 9630/31 models and are now looking at a 63" model, 1080p or not. But the lack of Ambilight is causing them to look alot more closely at the Panasonics or Pioneer. :mad:

Sadly, it would me too, if I were in the market for a 63" :( :(

Thanks, sorry about that. This helps me decide as well. How does this compare to the 58" panny that's at Costco?

I'm not sure why it would be a surprise if this new 1080p model never comes out. They botched the release at CES with the wrong pricing, then they clear it up and say the non-1080p will go for $3500 and the 1080p for $5500 in June, and all of this is coupled with rumors that they are almost completely out of the plasma market after '07 but will keep these 2 63" models but that's it. In the meantime the non-1080p can't be found at many large retailers, and mainly sells at Costco and Sam's. And as they are debating whether to release the 1080p in June Panny comes out with its lineup at 58" that is significantly less than the 63" ($700 less MSRP), which it should be at 5" less but will not make it easy to steal buyers from Panny. Then Pio announced that its new top of the line 60" is not as outrageously priced as many expected (coming in Sept). And then Sammy comes out with competitive pricing in the same size. I think they added it up and decided they were not going to do well in this market without an MSRP drop and some expensive promotion and decided it made more sense to fold all the plasma operations for good.

I have nothing against Philips and I was hoping they would help drive down the prices for 1080p plasmas even if I didn't want one, but the market seems to have passed them by. $5500 for big 1080p plasma was big news in January but not now. I hope I'm wrong but I if they are not willing to make the leap to 1080p plasma I think they've thrown in the towel and won't in stores come '08.

I'm not sure why it would be a surprise if this new 1080p model never comes out. They botched the release at CES with the wrong pricing, then they clear it up and say the non-1080p will go for $3500 and the 1080p for $5500 in June, and all of this is coupled with rumors that they are almost completely out of the plasma market after '07 but will keep these 2 63" models but that's it. In the meantime the non-1080p can't be found at many large retailers, and mainly sells at Costco and Sam's. And as they are debating whether to release the 1080p in June Panny comes out with its lineup at 58" that is significantly less than the 63" ($700 less MSRP), which it should be at 5" less but will not make it easy to steal buyers from Panny. Then Pio announced that its new top of the line 60" is not as outrageously priced as many expected (coming in Sept). And then Sammy comes out with competitive pricing in the same size. I think they added it up and decided they were not going to do well in this market without an MSRP drop and some expensive promotion and decided it made more sense to fold all the plasma operations for good. I have nothing against Philips and I was hoping they would help drive down the prices for 1080p plasmas even if I didn't want one, but the market seems to have passed them by. $5500 for big 1080p plasma was big news in January but not now. I hope I'm wrong but I if they are not willing to make the leap to 1080p plasma I think they've thrown in the towel and won't in stores come '08.

Logical, but it may be an overreach. We simply don't know, though your outline does make sense.

Again, I hope to hear from a high-ranking Philips exec this week. I will report back, of course.

They have this TV at the Las Vegas Costco. I don't believe it's 1080p just 1080i.

This is the 768P model Costco and Sams's Club both have:

Item number 163963 at costco for $2999.00 Model 63PF9631D/37]

This is the 768P model Costco and Sams's Club both have:

Item number 163963 at costco for $2999.00 Model 63PF9631D/37]


This is the number for John at Sam's Club who told me about Philip's shelving the 63" 1080P model, he said to call him if you find out anything different cause he wants one too for himself, and would be sure to buy them for Sam's, becuase the other 63"768p model can't stay in stock, and they have minimal returns with them. But he said it looks like there isn't going to be any. :confused:
JOHN'S direct number 479-277-7158
Bentonville, Arkansas, Sam's Club Corporate HQ.

that sam's club buyer should be fired. he is doing a horrible job of having plasma tvs in stock to sale either online or at my local club.

I'm not sure why it would be a surprise if this new 1080p model never comes out. They botched the release at CES with the wrong pricing, then they clear it up and say the non-1080p will go for $3500 and the 1080p for $5500 in June,

I have no information as to whether or not this is true, however I am a Product Management exec at a high tech company and my interpretation of the "pricing goof" at CES was a little different. As soon as I saw the announcement at CES my first reaction was - wow, what a blunder. Their 63" 720p panel was still selling at Costco for around $4k... Typically what happens when you make this kind of announcement and you have lots of inventory in distribution and channel you have to be very very careful about announcing pricing - especially if it's going to be aggressive and less than the current generation that is in store inventories. You either want to announce pricing close to the release date after your dealers have started ramping down inventories of the old generation, and you also want to right price the current generation so that it can "blow out" the remaining inventory.

Announcing a $3500 next gen panel that at the time is less expensive than the current gen 6mo ahead of release with lots of inventory in the reseller channels is just stupid from a product marketing perspective. I would guess that there was some disconnect between the PR people and the product people on whether or not the pricing would actually be shown at CES or someone just made a very junior product management or PR mistake. Either way when I saw the announcement I thought "wow, this is going to really make it hard for them to sell out their current inventory"... then not too long after an "announcement" that the CES price announcement was incorrect.

My assumption is that they immediately saw their 63" 720p sales slow down to a crawl and they realized their mistake of announcing the pricing too early and made another announcement that the price would actually be $5500 in order to turn back on the flow of 720p sales so they could flush out the inventory between then and June.

If this actually was the case then it's possible that Philips always planned to release the 1080 panel at $3500, and certainly may still. They can always release it at $3500 and explain the "drop from 5500 to 3500" on market pricing dynamics having changed since January and $3500 is the right price for the product in mid 2007. Think about it, this panel will compete with the 58" 1080p Panasonic that is going for $4400 at Circuit City right now. If Philips wants to make a volume play and become the 1080p ~60" panel king, a price under $4k is necessary to get volume. There is a big difference in consumer spending on TVs between $2500, $3500, and $5k.

Anyhow, that's just my little conspiracy theory. No facts behind it... just my conjecture based on my experience in high tech product marketing. :)

Anyhow, that's just my little conspiracy theory. No facts behind it... just my conjecture based on my experience in high tech product marketing. :)

A fair theory. Whatever the case, I honestly question whether Philips could even make money selling a 63" plamsa with a $3500 MSRP. That would put street prices at 3k or lower. That's really giving Samsung credit for a _whole lot_ of margin in these brand new 1080p panels that I simply don't think is there.

$5500 for big 1080p plasma was big news in January but not now.

See my previous post. But it's not unheard of for a vendor to release at a market adjusted price after announcement - especially in this volitile Plasma/LCD panel market we're in right now. List prices are very fluid. Philips could release this panel for what ever price they need to in order to be competetive / make profit / and increase marketshare. I'm hoping it will be released this summer (June) and will be closer to the original $3500 price they initially announced.

I hope I'm wrong but I if they are not willing to make the leap to 1080p plasma I think they've thrown in the towel and won't in stores come '08.

If you talk w Costo folks they'll tell you that they are ramping down the 720p model (which was lowered to $2999 two months ago) and not ordering anymore. It was a good seller, w low returns - which is the kind of high end TV product that Costco loves. To me it looks like they are getting ready to receive a new model.

I also spoke with a Costco TV dude yesterday who said they are expecting large screen (didn't know sizes or brands) 1080p plasma's this summer, anytime... but didn't know when exactly. Sometimes these guys have good info and sometimes they have worthless info so I'm not putting much weight into that, but take it for what it's worth.

A fair theory. Whatever the case, I honestly question whether Philips could even make money selling a 63" plamsa with a $3500 MSRP. That would put street prices at 3k or lower. That's really giving Samsung credit for a _whole lot_ of margin in these brand new 1080p panels that I simply don't think is there.

Good point, but MSRP is really a shadow game in this panel market. Street prices have been dropping 25% and in some cases 50% in just 2 quarters. I think it depends whether or not Philips wants this panel to be a volume play or a high margin low/med volume play for six months... either way since there are 3 glass panels in this category there is going to be price pressure. But your samsung point is an important one since they control the core panel pricing anyway.

I know I'm being optimistic... but what they hey... I just hope we see the panel this month, $5.5k or $3.5k :)

Any new news from people with their fingers on the pulse? 63" 720p model just dissapeared from Sam's website today.

don't sweat it. seems to be on the sams site at the moment but not in stock like the past several weeks. plasma and other tv models appear and disappear from sites like costco and sams all the time.

Any new news from people with their fingers on the pulse? 63" 720p model just dissapeared from Sam's website today.

The 9631 line is being phased out (I guess it's been replaced in the 42" and 50" models) so I guess the belief/fear is that the 63" 9631 720p model won't be out very long with the 1080p's coming out sooon.

That explains the scarcity value which is at cross-currents to the deep discounting (when available) of the plasma.

The 9631 line is being phased out (I guess it's been replaced in the 42" and 50" models) so I guess the belief/fear is that the 63" 9631 720p model won't be out very long with the 1080p's coming out sooon.

That explains the scarcity value which is at cross-currents to the deep discounting (when available) of the plasma.
Is there any confirmation that there will definitely be a 63" 1080p available soon, or is that still unknown? Given the "June" release announced at CES and today's date with little news it is looking grim. On the bright side, maybe they're still tinkering with msrp and waiting until the last minute to formally announce the launch.

Is there any confirmation that there will definitely be a 63" 1080p available soon, or is that still unknown? Given the "June" release announced at CES and today's date with little news it is looking grim. On the bright side, maybe they're still tinkering with msrp and waiting until the last minute to formally announce the launch.

Its Official Folks the 1080P 63" Philips 63PFP7422D, that was announced at CES in January 2007 and highly tooted by Philips will NOT be made by Philips. The largest 1080P set will be a 52" LCD. We can stop waiting and put our digital eggs in another basket.

I just spoke to Lindsay Woods at Philips Corporate Communications Lindsay.Woods@philips.com and she said the the unit is not going to be made and she has tried to make an effort to get the word out. "the company decided to move in a different direction with the 1080P, but the 63" 768P 63PF9631D/37 unit at Sam's and Costco will continue to be sold through the end of their life cycle" They only do press releases on good news and never any bad news, so that the gist of it all. No word if the Philips 63PF9631D/37 will be discontinued anytime soon, but Sam's and Costco can not get enough of them to keep them in stock. I guess I am going to open my 63PF9631D/37 that been sitting sealed in the box for a month awaiting to be swaped by it's 1080P finer sister that was never delivered by the "Philips Stork" A very sad day it is.

What other alternatives do we have at such an unbeatable price point?

Very discouraging news and not sure what it means for Philips down the line.

The curious thing is that the competition at the 63" size and pricepoint is alot less than for smaller, less-expensive panels. If Philips is throwing in the towel there, maybe they are going to phase out plasma completely?

Only good thing there is there will be some great prices on Ambilight models if that comes to pass. Reminds me of when Corvette did away with the 32 valve DOHC LT-5 engine from the early 1990's and never came out with a better engine with better technology. Collectors item !!

Will we see Ambilight plasmas on sale on Ebay in 10-15 years for triple the price ??? :D

What other alternatives do we have at such an unbeatable price point?
Well, there's the Vizio for less but slightly smaller. But by spending just slightly more you can get the Pio 6070, still one of the best plasmas ever made. The new 58" 1080p Panny for around $4k is another nice option, and it would have been cheaper and probably better than the Philips 1080p you have been waiting on (although smaller). There are also new Pio 1080ps coming out in September their 6500 msrp is 1000 more than the cancelled Philips (but probably worth it).

I wish Philips was in the game just because competition is good for the consumer, but it's not like it was filling a large 1080p niche that hasn't been filled already, unless you really need the extra couple of inches.

Its Official Folks the 1080P 63" Philips 63PFP7422D, that was announced at CES in January 2007 and highly tooted by Philips will NOT be made by Philips. The largest 1080P set will be a 52" LCD. We can stop waiting and put our digital eggs in another basket. I just spoke to Lindsay Woods at Philips Corporate Communications Lindsay.Woods@philips.com and she said the the unit is not going to be made and she has tried to make an effort to get the word out. "the company decided to move in a different direction with the 1080P, but the 63" 768P 63PF9631D/37 unit at Sam's and Costco will continue to be sold through the end of their life cycle" They only do press releases on good news and never any bad news, so that the gist of it all. No word if the Philips 63PF9631D/37 will be discontinued anytime soon, but Sam's and Costco can not get enough of them to keep them in stock. I guess I am going to open my 63PF9631D/37 that been sitting sealed in the box for a month awaiting to be swaped by it's 1080P finer sister that was never delivered by the "Philips Stork" A very sad day it is. What other alternatives do we have at such an unbeatable price point?

Can someone scan all those obscure tech/consumer electrionic/gizmo online websheets to see if there's any articles or stories that shed more light on this?

The new 58" 1080p Panny for around $4k is another nice option, and it would have been cheaper and probably better than the Philips 1080p you have been waiting on (although smaller).

That's a great suggestion wales.

Let me also reiterate again what I said above: anyone waiting for this mythical 1080p Philips owes it to themselves to at least check out the very affordable Samsung on which it is (was to have been) based. The lowside of the street pricing for this model is within spitting distance of the 58" Panasonic pointed out above by wales. Is it as cheap as the Philips is (might have ended up being)? Maybe not - but its still coming in below the $5500 MSRP of the Philips.

Also - probably due largely to the word about said Samsung getting around now - street prices of the tried-and-true 65" Panasonic models (both the commercial and consumer) have come down another 10-15%. Still expensive displays but at least approaching affordable range now.

Thanks for the good info. That makes the 720p Philips 63PF9631D/37 and Panasonic TH-58PX60U look really good at their Costco prices. Especially since I'll be viewing from @12 ft.

thank you everyone for posting...guess i'll have to settle for the sony 52xbr2..or the panasonic 58750.

FWIW, from a friend who is looking at 60" plasmas, his receptionist works PT at Costco and says that there are big problems with Vizio's in the 50" and 60" size (not the 42").....they take back 10 a month.....color fading issues....said no problems/very few returns with Sony, Philips, and Panasonics. This person works in returns so she would absolutely know what is coming back with a problem.

The head of Philips USA is supposed to contact me soon...I'll report back when I hear from him.
PhilipsPhanatic,
Any word from the head or is the TampaAVKing post quoting Lindsay.Woods@philips.com the final word?

PhilipsPhanatic,
Any word from the head or is the TampaAVKing post quoting Lindsay.Woods@philips.com the final word?

I would like to know as well. Since the 720p 63"ers are on their way out - if there won't be a 1080p replacement it would be really useful to know that change of plan from Philips.

I am going to open my 63" Philips today 63PF9631D/D37, as I have had it in the box for a while waiting to exchange, I was in NYC 'til today and would advise my fellow forum members to beware of the following property in NYC known0 as the Best Mansion In Manhattan Ltd. on 433 East 85th Street in New York, NY 10028 Telephone 518-304-1328 FAX: 518-789-9312 and email of scrivetemi@aol.com, they advertise a magnifiecnt mansion and in our opinion its anything but a mansion, and leaves a lot to be desired. The pictures they advertise are of a chandelier and one room, and in our opinion not a true representation of the condition of the property nor the features and actual true amenities. Its just our opinion but beware if your visit to NYC would involve a stay in this property at $700 a night you would expect something to write home about and to us it was something to stay away from and advise others of the same. So my friends I am going to put my plasma up today, and hope to enjoy it this evening. With the coupon I used to buy it at SAM's Club it came out to less than $2340.00, I just can't beat that price anywhere. see www.samsclub.com.

I am going to open my 63" Philips today 63PF9631D/D37, as I have had it in the box for a while waiting to exchange, I was in NYC 'til today and would advise my fellow forum members to beware of the following property in NYC known0 as the Best Mansion In Manhattan Ltd. on 433 East 85th Street in New York, NY 10028 Telephone 518-304-1328 FAX: 518-789-9312 and email of scrivetemi@aol.com, they advertise a magnifiecnt mansion and in our opinion its anything but a mansion, and leaves a lot to be desired. The pictures they advertise are of a chandelier and one room, and in our opinion not a true representation of the condition of the property nor the features and actual true amenities. Its just our opinion but beware if your visit to NYC would involve a stay in this property at $700 a night you would expect something to write home about and to us it was something to stay away from and advise others of the same. So my friends I am going to put my plasma up today, and hope to enjoy it this evening. With the coupon I used to buy it at SAM's Club it came out to less than $2340.00, I just can't beat that price anywhere. see www.samsclub.com.

I never heard of that place, why would you chose that place over a $500-a-night suite in the Hilton, the Ritz, and other top places ??? At least there you know what you are getting.

-----Original Message-----
From: Lindsay Woods [mailto:lindsay.woods@philips.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 8:53 AM
Subject: Re: help - 63" Philips Plasmas

I apologize in advance for your frustration, but what you have hear is indeed true. We will not be bringing a 1080p 63" to market in the US after all.

Best Regards,

Lindsay C. Woods
Philips Consumer Electronics
64 Perimeter Center East
Atlanta, GA 31146
770-821-2392
(f) 770-821-2555
lindsay.woods@philips.com

I never heard of that place, why would you chose that place over a $500-a-night suite in the Hilton, the Ritz, and other top places ??? At least there you know what you are getting.


Our party was 7 people so we would have needed at least 2 rooms in a standard hotel room, we ended up at the Waldorf, where we were going to originally stay at $250 a night per room, they lower rate became available the day we left the dump at 433 E 8th St, New York, NY Mansion in Manhattan, they said there place was no comparison to the Waldorf. What misinformation! I love the Waldorf and will never second guess where to stay in NY. WE even had a Philips LCD 40" or so in our room, such a treat.