Official SONY BRAVIA® E-series 3LCD Rear Projection HDTV Owner's Thread

Seems like time to start this thread as Sony has released the new
E3000 Series (http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10551&storeId=10151&langId=-1&productId=8198552921665117947)

Here's the C-NET Review (http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-and-plasma/sony-kdf-50e3000/4505-6482_7-32331195.html)

IMHO, the time to start this thread would be when someone here actually owns this set and (again IMHO) an actual E3000 owner should have the privilege of starting an E3000 owner's thread.
Also, the link you provided is not to a review, it is to a few paragraphs about the TV's feature set.

I just saw the E3000 in a Best Buy yesterday. It was right next to an A2020. I watched both TV’s for about 15 minutes. I must say that the E3000 was MUCH, MUCH, MUCH sharper than the A2020. Now I think the A2020’s are blurry to begin with but the E3000 really looked good to me. At $200 less than the A2020 I don’t know why anyone would even consider buying the A2020 anymore? I would be pissed if I bought an A2020. Those almost appear defective compared to the E3000!

I just saw the E3000 in a Best Buy yesterday. It was right next to an A2020. I watched both TV’s for about 15 minutes. I must say that the E3000 was MUCH, MUCH, MUCH sharper than the A2020. Now I think the A2020’s are blurry to begin with but the E3000 really looked good to me. At $200 less than the A2020 I don’t know why anyone would even consider buying the A2020 anymore? I would be pissed if I bought an A2020. Those almost appear defective compared to the E3000!

Sorry, but the picture quality on the A2020 is going to be a lot better than the E3000. I'm better neither set you were looking at was even coarsely calibrated and they were in a store, which is a lousy environment. Take them both into a good environment with a good signal (Blu-Ray would be nice) and adjust them properly. The A2020 will be better.

Now, don't get me wrong, the E3000 should look pretty good, but the LCoS sets will be better.

Any actual owners yet?

Any actual owners yet?

This TV has apparently been recalled by Sony due to some quality control issue. I have gotten this answer from 3 Best Buy stores in the area. They apparently received an e-mail on the issue. FWIW.

This TV was at my Best Buy yesterday 8/2/07 in the 50 inch version. Picture looked great to me. I'm looking for the 46 inch version and I was told it will be out August 14th.

Hmmm, wonder if shot myself in the foot in buying the 50E2000 last year at this time rather then waiting for this one to come out. I like it alot, but I wonder if not having 1080P is gonna screw me in the end. All I play is my 360, no Blue Ray or HD DVD at this point for awhile. Other then that, im very happy with my TV, still need to pay it off :rolleyes:

Owell, I guess I remind myself of someones quote about technology purchasing

"If you always wait for the latest and greatest, you will always have nothing"

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m1/Phantron/setup.jpg

Anyone yet have the new E3000?

I ordered this unit about a month ago and after the delays on Sony's side, it just arrived at Ultimate Electronics in Phx, AZ .This TV will be replacing a KDF-42E2000 that is in our bedroom, this will make it's way to my 14yr stepsons room.

I have one of those great wife's that has lived with the constant tinkering of picture settings and the swapping out of a TV after a day or two...so she is not holding her breath.

I will let you know what the pq is like.
Dvtrail

Congrats!! how do u like the PQ on E3000?

I recently purchased one at BB, the PQ is good but the picture is slanted upward from left to the right on the tv...i measured 2 inches from end of image to max screen size on left and 1 3/4 inches on the right side, Sony is sending a tech out to fix the issue on Sept 5 and it could be 1 of 2 parts according to the tech, the problem is most likely due to the way the TV was handled according to the tech

I will let everyone know what happens

I frankly am not happy with the unit at all. If you feed it a good HD source, the PQ is not to bad, of all things dvd with a hdmi cable is just terrible and makes SD look good.I have an A2020 50" in the LR and I will order a A3000 to replace the E3000.

..But on a side note the dedicated source option on the remote and the xcross media bar are great improvments over my other Sony TV products.

Have a good one guys and gals

I frankly am not happy with the unit at all. If you feed it a good HD source, the PQ is not to bad, of all things dvd with a hdmi cable is just terrible and makes SD look good.I have an A2020 50" in the LR and I will order a A3000 to replace the E3000.

..But on a side note the dedicated source option on the remote and the xcross media bar are great improvments over my other Sony TV products.

Have a good one guys and gals

What exactly did you not like about it? What DVD player are you using? That has more to do with the PQ than anything. Does the HD look as sharp or sharper than your A2020? Have you calibrated the TV? Do you use cable or satellite?

I have Cox HD cable coming in at 1080I with a Scientific Atlanta explorer 8300HD DVR in the bedroom and the living room. If we are watching Cox HD and the scene is dark the picture looks pretty sharp, but not A2020 sharp. The lighter scenes are what realy look bad, and I have tested this with the cable, Blu and a Sony upconverting dvd player (hdmi) all have snow or grain in the lighter scenes and it does not matter what source is used.

I went so far as to pull the KDF-42E2000 out of the stepsons room and it still has a better picture at 720P, than the E3000 does at 1080I. I spent the better part of yesterday on adjustments and nothing seemed to work with the light scenes looking bad..and no I did not/will not have this calibrated. I do not know if it's an issue with just this set or an overall flaw in the new model...just don't know.

dvtrail

Did the set look good in the store? Why did you buy it in the first place? Did it look good in the store?

I purchased the unit sight unseen, we have the model this one has replaced KDF-42E2000 and it's been a good little tv. I had a 42" Panny TH42PX75U plasma and my wife hated the tv and it's remote, so I made a call and Ultimate Electronics gave me the 1st
E3000 in stock. I am wanting the Sony A3000 and this works out great, plus if it has a picture as good or better than the A2020 then I will be happy...and my wife will know how to use the remote.

I looked at the 50" at circuit city. It was next to the 50 A2020 and it looked just as good in my opinion.

So I ordered one and it will be delivered on thursday. I'll let you guys know how I like it.

I made a trip to Ultimate Electronics last night and looked at the E3000 on display.I wanted to find out if it has the same picture quality as my unit. The unit on display looked great and I had them run a dvd source to it and it looked good as well. I think it is just an issue with my unit, and I did not want to post the board stating the E3000 did not look good, if in fact it was just my unit and not the model as a whole.

I replaced it last night with a 50" A3000 it's do in on the 10th of September.They told me to just keep the tv until the new unit comes in on the 10th, that in my opinion is customer service.

NWRSX, congrats on the new E3000 and enjoy

Yea I went back to BB to make sure that I wasn't just seeing a bad A2020 or something. My local BB has completely remodeled the store and placed all new TVs on the floor. I compared the A2020, E3000, and the oh so Beautiful A3000. I finally figured out why I didn't like the A2020. It just does too much noise reduction. That is why it is not sharp. The remote was there so I turned all of the ND off and it still didn't help.

The E3000 simply looks like the A2020 but it handles the overly noisy BB feed much better. It remained sharp but still eliminated most of the compression artifacts that the Samsung TVs display so vibrantly.

Then I spotted the A3000! Man that is the Tv to get. It was sharp, It had great colors after a quick eye sight calibration, it has ZERO SD, and I didn't see any problems with fast motion.

I would say go for the A3000 unless you just can't afford it. If money is the problem then the E3000 is your choice. At $1500 it is an absolute steal. The funny thing was that the 46" E3000 was right next to it for about $50 more. They would sell you the 50" for less than the 46". Go figure.

Anyway, all of the these new Sony's are worth the price of admission. I also saw the 73 Mitsu! That thing is a beast and it looked great!

Remember that things like noise reduction can be adjusted or completely shut off. All of these (A2020, A3000, E2000, E3000) will look A LOT better when properly adjusted with a high qualify feed than when they are in the store.

Well I also bought the 46" model sight unseen. I got it deliverd to my house and hooked it up. The colors and brightness needed some adjusting, but now the PQ looks good.

BUT ... I only hooked it to the Xbox360 dashboard to adjust. The next day, when I started to play games, I noticed the bottom and top of the screen were cut off. Then I loaded another game, same deal. The settings were 1080i (no 1080p over component). So I then hook up the cable and make a direct comparison with my older 720p Sony model. The channels are also slightly cut off on the tops and bottoms. Same with the PC input. DVDs are harder to tell, as I don't have one hooked up to the older Sony yet.

Overall, I believe there is a defect with this TV. Did Sony load the 50" program to the 46" TV I have by accident? That would explain the slight cutoff on the edges. I'll call Sony to discuss on Tuesday.

Seems like not too many people are interested in this TV. The $500 price difference between this and the KDS-50A3000 was a big factor for me.

I have a KDF-E50A10 right now, and have never thought that the picture looked blurry during fast moving sequences. So I figured I didn't need the 120hz.

I will just apply my savings to the next TV. I tend to upgrade every 2 years.

From what I could tell at the Circuit City, it looks like a fine TV.

The only reason I bought this TV as opposed to a much nicer, compact looking, larger DLP 1080p HDTV is because this is the absolute largest TV that can fit in my furniture cabinet. Otherwise I would have bought another one.

What a pain that I have this problem. I wonder if a Sony tech will come out to see the problem, or if I'll have to ship the unit back, or if there is a possibility of a firmware upgrade.

I hope I won't have the same issue. I will be using HDMI though and not component. I don't know if that will make any differnce.

Official SONY BRAVIA® E-series 3LCD Rear Projection HDTV Owner's Thread

Seems like time to start this thread as Sony has released the new
E3000 Series (http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10551&storeId=10151&langId=-1&productId=8198552921665117947)

Here's the C-NET Review (http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-and-plasma/sony-kdf-50e3000/4505-6482_7-32331195.html)

Do you like your E3000? Since you started the "owners thread".

I hope I won't have the same issue. I will be using HDMI though and not component. I don't know if that will make any differnce.

I used HDMI for my PC connection (DVI->HDMI) and had the overscan issue. I initially thought it was the drivers of the PC.

When I first bought the TV, I was building a new PC so I was concentrating on that instead. I turned the HDTV on and turned on the X360 to the dashboard, to make sure the TV turned on ok and there were no glaring problems. On the dashboard, it's always zoomed out, so even with this overscan issue, I didn't notice it at first because I could still see all the text and stuff on screen.

Then my brother played some 360 and played the original Doom. The character's face was cut off on the bottom, and I thought that was wierd. Then I tried more games, and it seems that the whole screen is slightly overscanned. The same thing happens with the cable. I turned on my older 42" LCD projection Sony and this new one, to the same exact channels specifically with static icons like ESPN. The 46E3000 still cut them off slightly. I never had this problem with my older Sony.

I'm about to call Sony tech service, so I'll update on what happens.

EDIT UPDATE: Just called them. The rep said to (1) turn the TV off and unplug it for about 10 minutes, and to (2) run auto scan for the channels again. Before doing either of them, I can tell they won't help the problem, as neither relate to it.

I also asked the rep if there have been other problems or complaints with this TV from other buyers, and she said there have been none on record at Sony thus far. I'll try them anyway when I get home, but looks like I'll be moving onward to a replacement TV or a tech coming out to look at it.

Well I also bought the 46" model sight unseen. I got it deliverd to my house and hooked it up. The colors and brightness needed some adjusting, but now the PQ looks good.

BUT ... I only hooked it to the Xbox360 dashboard to adjust. The next day, when I started to play games, I noticed the bottom and top of the screen were cut off. Then I loaded another game, same deal. The settings were 1080i (no 1080p over component). So I then hook up the cable and make a direct comparison with my older 720p Sony model. The channels are also slightly cut off on the tops and bottoms. Same with the PC input. DVDs are harder to tell, as I don't have one hooked up to the older Sony yet.

Overall, I believe there is a defect with this TV. Did Sony load the 50" program to the 46" TV I have by accident? That would explain the slight cutoff on the edges. I'll call Sony to discuss on Tuesday.

Every rear projection TV has overscan on all sides. They do this intentionally. The only question is "how much" and "is it balanced". On my A2000, there is some user level adjustment and, using a test pattern, saw that the overscan was about 2.5% and used the adjustment to insure that it was even all the way around.

See if your TV has such an adjustment and find a proper test pattern to use. If it is way off, there's usually further adjustments in the service menu's, but those are best left to a service technician to adjust.

Remember that things like noise reduction can be adjusted or completely shut off. All of these (A2020, A3000, E2000, E3000) will look A LOT better when properly adjusted with a high qualify feed than when they are in the store.

Yea I actually went in and adjusted each one of the TVs. I calibrated them by sight, I didn’t have DVE with me). I turned on and off all of the settings like noise reduction, black corrector, color corrector, sharpness…..etc. I could not get the A2020 to be acceptable in terms of sharpness. I was able to get the E3000 acceptable in sharpness with no adjustment at all(Color was a different story). The A3000 took some adjustment also. However, it was simply amazing after a quick eye sight calibration. A good ISF calibration would make that thing really shine!

If you are on a strict budget and you can not use anymore than 50” I think the E3000 is your “BEST” choice. Otherwise the A3000 is the TV to have.

Yea I actually went in and adjusted each one of the TVs. I calibrated them by sight, I didn’t have DVE with me). I turned on and off all of the settings like noise reduction, black corrector, color corrector, sharpness…..etc. I could not get the A2020 to be acceptable in terms of sharpness. I was able to get the E3000 acceptable in sharpness with no adjustment at all(Color was a different story). The A3000 took some adjustment also. However, it was simply amazing after a quick eye sight calibration. A good ISF calibration would make that thing really shine!

If you are on a strict budget and you can not use anymore than 50” I think the E3000 is your “BEST” choice. Otherwise the A3000 is the TV to have.So after all of this E3000 cheer-leading are you an E3000 owner or what?

I have a Sony tech coming out tomorrow at 4:30 to fix my issue where the top of the screen is slanted upward from left to right. I'll let you all know what the result is and what exactly was the problem

So after all of this E3000 cheer-leading are you an E3000 owner or what?

No I don't own an E3000. I need a 60" TV. Now if I was limited to 50" or if they made a 60" E3000 I would already own one since price is a large factor for me. I was touting the E3000 simply because I think it is the best value TV currently. The A3000 has the best picture that I have seen but I think its price is still a little to steep.

If you can wait a little, the price on the A3000 will drop, just like it did on the previous versions.

That is precisely my plan! I will wait until next May when the A4000 comes out. I should be able to pick up the 60” A3000 for less than $2K then don’t you think?

I'm waiting for my HDMI cable to come in the mail before I call the tech. That way, I can hook it up to my new DVD player and I can go through all the video modes to make sure the tech can adjust all of them to my satisfaction.

Unless it doesn't work that way?

Turns out my problem was just a case of one mirror being slightly off. Tech adjusted it and now all is well. Best part was the tech called a few different times asking if he could come earlier or make the appointment sooner than what the sony support person said on the phone as he had some open appointments

How long did it take the tech to fix it?

Not long at all they (2 of them) got here at 4:30 and were done by 5

I'm kinda torn between this one and the a2020 as my "first" HDtv. Bought a sammy hlt5076s and rainbows make me sick so i'm returning it. My friends mitsu 73'' dlp does the same so I know I need a sxrd, lcos, etc. I liked the a2000 family but did notice some green tint sometimes on a friends tv.

I read Cybergt's post about xbox360 issues. I'm also wanting a model that has high compatibility with a 360, ps2 (maybe ps3 someday) using the best connection modes possible. Anybody else have 360 issues, or happy with performance?

Sorry to sound like a newb, but looking at harware breakdown specs, i'm not sure what the big difference between the e3000, and the a2020 besides the "bravia" name and such. Does one have newer gen/higher technology than the other???

Thanks for the info and advice!

I've had the 50e3000 for about five days now and while a little disappointed with PQ at first a fast run through with DVE has made a huge difference. SD is much better than I expected, even when viewing compressed DVR shows. XBOX 360 looks incredible and was the primary reason for the upgrade.

One thing I've noticed is that while color and black levels are acceptable, there seems to be a lot of noise and movement with HD cable. I will check different cables and inputs before I make a final judgment.

Overall I am very pleased with the set and think it's a great value for the money, may update with settings and pics later today.

Oh, and Bonovox, the biggest difference between this set and the a2020 is that the e3000 series is 3LCD, Sony's older RPTV technology, and the a2000, a2020, and a3000 are SXRD, which is generally considered superior, although I've found them to be quite similar in terms of performance with this latest generation- to be fair I've not had the tweak time in home with SXRD models that I have with the 3LCD, and almost everyone would recommend to take a 2020 or a3000 if you have the cash.

Yeah, I went and arranged the return and delivery of a new unit from BBuy. I had a side-by-side comparison of the a2020 and the e3000 right next to each other. I finally was told/realized the tech differences between the models and could see a slight physical screen layer difference too. My wife didn't like the image on the e3000 as much, and I didn't either. (plus she said the e3000 bezel and frame looked "old fashioned" and like a tv from her conutry.) lol.
So I went with the a2020 and of COURSE...they don't have one in stock.... :-P So after locating one at another store, it will be transfered to this store, but eventually ending up at the local warehouse in LA (3 hours away), just to be sent back to me after being processed because of the transfer. A minor headache but not a big deal since I wouldn't be at home to have it delivered anytime this week.

I'm glad to hear monstamack had good results with his xbox360 on the e3000, but i've heard some people had issues, plus that my buddy has an a2000 and his 360 performs and looks beautiful on it, made me go with that one hands down. I know there is also a massive following for the a2000 series and numerous tweeking guides on how to get things just right.

At least i've been able to get some experience and knowledge from using the sammy hlt5076s i'm returning. It seemed that it like the componant cables from the timewarner hd box to the tv, better than the hdmi cable. Just interesting to see the differences in inputs.

I just picked up a E3000. 360 and HDDVD looks really good though HDMI. Hd cable is good but a little blurry with fast scenes, I suppose it could be my component cables. I'll hook it up to HDMI soon to test it. Do these tv's have a break in period?

What are the issues with the 360 people are having? Other than the overscan issue (which is ALL connections - DVD, Cable, PC, etc) 360 looks fantastic! So do upscaled DVD.sThe tech is coming out today to hopefully fix it.

To show the tech how much overscan I have, I made on my laptop with MS Paint a 1280x720p image, with consecutive block borders of different colors. The laptop has no over/underscan obviously, so the whole image is shown. I took the .jpg file and put it on a flash drive to the 360. Then on the 360, I loaded up the jpg image and 4 of the 6 borders I put on the image are not visible. This should help the tech get it to the setting I want. If anything but the last border is still not visible it's not acceptable.

BB has this on sale on their website for a decent amount, marked down from their usual cost. I am thinking of picking this TV up soon!

What are the issues with the 360 people are having? Other than the overscan issue (which is ALL connections - DVD, Cable, PC, etc) 360 looks fantastic! So do upscaled DVD.sThe tech is coming out today to hopefully fix it.

To show the tech how much overscan I have, I made on my laptop with MS Paint a 1280x720p image, with consecutive block borders of different colors. The laptop has no over/underscan obviously, so the whole image is shown. I took the .jpg file and put it on a flash drive to the 360. Then on the 360, I loaded up the jpg image and 4 of the 6 borders I put on the image are not visible. This should help the tech get it to the setting I want. If anything but the last border is still not visible it's not acceptable.

I don't know what you did for your pattern, but don't ask for less than 2% overscan because you probably won't get it. If you can get 2% perfectly centered, you should be good.

So if I am getting this correctly, the E3000 is an inferior model to the A3000? Does the E3000's PQ still stand up to the a2020 model?

OK now I'm pisst. :mad: The guy came, was here probably 2.5 hours. Initially, I made a picture file on my PC with different colored borders to see where the output image was for the HDTV on it. So I loaded it onto a mem stick and into the X360 to display. In the blue border, notice the thin purple line (See Attachment Below). That's where the screen stopped. Everything past it was not visible.

The tech didn't really care and wanted to see where it affected movies or games. I loaded up one DVD where the top of the menu was visibly cut off. I also loaded up a few games that had icons cut off. He called Sony tech support twice. Both times he told me there's now way in the tech service menu to adjust the overscan issue. The face in Doom is cut off, the taksbar in windowsXP is cut off, along with the icons on the left, etc.

He said he never worked on this model before, just got the 200 page service booklet, and said it didn't have any info on resizing the image to fit. He seemed uninformed about it, and at first when he put the grid readout from his little display thing on the TV, he said "yep, that looks normal." Then I showed him how the X's were cut off on each side of the screen, and he still said it was normal. Then I took two pens and drew the intersection of where they were "supposed" to intersect on the screen, and it was 1.33 inches one one side (I measured it, didn't measure the others, which looked worse). He was initially saying to the tech support it was 1/4 inch or less. Then he saw what I was talking about. DUH!

Anyhow he said Sony won't replace it unless it's REALLY bad. To me it was, he told me to call who I got the TV from to replace it with one that doesn't overscan. I called vanns.com where I got it and so far they are great. They will look into replacing it, and I told them I will research another model that is "shown" by others' trial and error not to do this, then I'll buy it from them.

That sucks about the overscan issue. My works great with no overscan. Vanns should replace it for you.

That sucks about the overscan issue. My works great with no overscan. Vanns should replace it for you.

Blacksmith, do you have the 46" size of this TV like me? Could you download my file above, pop it into a memory stick and plug it into your 360? Although it's not 1280x720 after the resize this site did to attach it, I think the 360 gives an option to make it fill the screen. Or if you have software to resize the image back to 1280x720, that would be ideal.

I'd think all these models would have the same overscan problem, not just random units of this model.

No I have the 50.

OK now I'm pisst. :mad: The guy came, was here probably 2.5 hours. Initially, I made a picture file on my PC with different colored borders to see where the output image was for the HDTV on it. So I loaded it onto a mem stick and into the X360 to display. In the blue border, notice the thin purple line (See Attachment Below). That's where the screen stopped. Everything past it was not visible.

The tech didn't really care and wanted to see where it affected movies or games. I loaded up one DVD where the top of the menu was visibly cut off. I also loaded up a few games that had icons cut off. He called Sony tech support twice. Both times he told me there's now way in the tech service menu to adjust the overscan issue. The face in Doom is cut off, the taksbar in windowsXP is cut off, along with the icons on the left, etc.

He said he never worked on this model before, just got the 200 page service booklet, and said it didn't have any info on resizing the image to fit. He seemed uninformed about it, and at first when he put the grid readout from his little display thing on the TV, he said "yep, that looks normal." Then I showed him how the X's were cut off on each side of the screen, and he still said it was normal. Then I took two pens and drew the intersection of where they were "supposed" to intersect on the screen, and it was 1.33 inches one one side (I measured it, didn't measure the others, which looked worse). He was initially saying to the tech support it was 1/4 inch or less. Then he saw what I was talking about. DUH!

Anyhow he said Sony won't replace it unless it's REALLY bad. To me it was, he told me to call who I got the TV from to replace it with one that doesn't overscan. I called vanns.com where I got it and so far they are great. They will look into replacing it, and I told them I will research another model that is "shown" by others' trial and error not to do this, then I'll buy it from them.

It sounds like what you really need is a tech that knows what he's doing with that TV.

It's not bad on the horizontal side (under 3%) but the vertical is a bit much.

However, if you are using an HDMI connection for a PC, you are never going to get things like the windows start bar to appear without adjusting your desktop size.

It sounds like what you really need is a tech that knows what he's doing with that TV.

It's not bad on the horizontal side (under 3%) but the vertical is a bit much.

However, if you are using an HDMI connection for a PC, you are never going to get things like the windows start bar to appear without adjusting your desktop size.

Yes and no ... I made my desktop, and the border image, both 1280x720 and 1920x1080. Then outputted both on the screen separately. Made screen capture in clone mode, and used my PC as the primary monitor to judge what's being cut off from the HDTV. HDTV is connected via DVI-HDMI. I used the Xbox360 via component cables.

Lo and behold, the amount of the screen that's being cut off on the X360 via the picture in 720p and 1080i matched what's being cut off the screen from the PC in 720p and 1080p. I overlayed my results in Windows to double check in paint shop pro 7. So the PC IS outputting the correctly sized signal. It's the same amount of overscan for both modes. The DVD player connected via HDMI has the same overscan issue. I checked menu screens via Google images and compared them to what I saw. Also the DVE menu is cut off at the top clearly.

You'll need to have the PC output 1920x1080 but have your desktop size smaller. This can be done via utilities provided with some of the graphics drivers. I haven't done it, but I've seen a number of posts from people that have done this with the Sony SXRDs so do a search through the A2000 and/or A2020 owners threads for the exact way to do this with your video driver.

Yes I have an 8800GTX and it does have a desktop resizer ... but it ONLY works for the component output of the card through the HDTV dongle. I believe 1080p output throught the component works, but this TV only supports 1080i through component.

DVI->HDMI is of course 1080p but the desktop resizer doesn't work for this method. How inconvenient.:mad:

I spoke with the Sony regional sales rep that works with vanns.com and he's looking into if he can do something to get it fixed where I want it. If not, I'm going to return it to vanns.com and replace it with the Samsung LN-T4661F. Overscan over component is confirmed via other owners on this board, but it's a little less than 2%. Through HDMI, the TV has a setting to adjust for overscan to eliminate it. This TV also got a lot of great reviews from users on this board and elsewhere on the internet. And it looks very vibrant from what I could see at Circuit City. Vans charges about $150 more than the cheapest I could get it at pricegrabber for, but I'll try to bring it down to something close to those prices. Still it's going to be about $500 more.

Is it only me?... I want to see pics of the telly set-up on your living-room, showing some screens from Xbox 360, DVD, TV, etc... (so we can see the faults too, or at least watch how good do they look live).

;)

My camera is 4 years old and a real POS, so no dice. You wont be able to make out anything. The screen will be almost 100% white, not matter what setting on the camera or screen is on.

I need me one new camera.

The sony regional sales rep called me again to go over some other (obvious) things that could be causing the overscan. Being as knowledgeable I shot them all down. He's now going to see if his tech can confirm anything in the service menu that could solve this problem. If not, he said he'd probably have to replace the set. I said I want proof it doesn't overscan as bad before its shipped to me. Otherwise it's the Samsung for me.

Are you sure that this TV has more overscan than any other TV? You do know that all TV’s have overscan built into them right? The overscan can be removed for a computer but you have to resize your desktop(1776x1036) or get into the service menu. Why don’t you take the memory stick into the store and see if any other TV’s have overscan. My guess is that all of them will have about the same amount.

Try taking a picture without the Flash. Just turn on all of the lights in your room and then place the camera on a table so it is steady. That will let us see what you are seeing.

I just picked up a 50" E3000 Friday night. It is awesome. Granted, this is my first HDTV, so my frame of reference is old CRT TV, but I love it. Watched a lot of soccer, football, baseball this weekend. Also watched "Saving Private Ryan" (so I could crank up the surround sound) and "Wild Hogs". No complaints!

I am looking forward to playing with it more. Any tips on adjustments (there is a disk you get to help with this?), etc., would be greatly appreciated.

BTW, I am using an HDMI cable.

Turns out my problem was just a case of one mirror being slightly off. Tech adjusted it and now all is well. Best part was the tech called a few different times asking if he could come earlier or make the appointment sooner than what the sony support person said on the phone as he had some open appointments

Hey cecilnyr, my E3000 is having the same slant issue. Did it cost you anything to have the tech come out and fix it, or was it covered under warranty?

Nope, just call them up and explain the issue. They'll take you through a whole bunch of steps none of which contain the answer. Just tell them you need to be escalated to a product specialist. The tech just had to adjust the left side w/ a piece of acetate tape as the rubber spacers used were too thick and overcorrected the problem. Took them about 30 min-1hr to diagnose and fix when tech came out

For whoever used a video calibration DVD or software, what are your final settings for colors etc. on the TV? I'm playing around with mine, but can't quite get it to where I want it.

I have owned this tv for almost a month and I am noticing the picture going from normal brightness to dark when the picture changes views. It happens on all inputs.

Isn't that because of the advanced iris or black corrector?

I just swapped out tv's to see if a new one solves this issue.

I just swapped out tv's to see if a new one solves this issue.

Hey Kevin, that's because of the advanced iris setting in your Picture Settings menu. I thought it was pretty annoying as well. Just go to options, picture, and change it from Auto to High, Medium, or Low. I did the same thing and was immediately relieved that I wasn't going to have to deal with that annoying "feature" for the rest of my tv watching days :)

Is it only me?... I want to see pics of the telly set-up on your living-room, showing some screens from Xbox 360, DVD, TV, etc... (so we can see the faults too, or at least watch how good do they look live).

;)


http://chrisbilodeau.smugmug.com/photos/199895207-L.jpg
http://chrisbilodeau.smugmug.com/photos/201396570-L.jpg

I just got this TV and it has a really annoying buzzing sound coming from the back of it. I checked behind the TV and it sounds like it is coming from something that sits next to the Fan. You can hear that sound on every input and even if I have nothing hooked up to the tv, I had called the sony tech and all he said was to unplug it for a minute. Does anybody know what it could be?

Mine had a hum when I first got it, but it went away after time.

image

Those pics look good... I'm seriously leaning towards this TV, as the prices have been dropping lately. Can get it many places for under $1,500. :D

How do you like it so far? Any pros, cons, quirks to consider? Do you use it for football, baseball, etc? Any motion blur? Warping?

20 questions is over now... hehe

Ladies and Gents,

I got this TV last night (50E3000). Picture looks great but I'd like to know what the optimum settings are. Has anyone calibrated?

Erik

I was wondering if this set does 1:1 pixel mapping, or otherwise if there is any sort of digital scaling built-in? Thanks in advance. :)

Settings anyone?

Picture Mode- Cinema

Advanced Iris- Low

Picture- 65

Brightness- 49

Color- 51

Hue- G1

Sharpness- 20

Color Temp- Warm 1

Noise Reduction- Off

Everything else OFF..... And these are my settings I calibrated w/ DVE for viewing films and such in a darkened room(looks fantastic).....

Thought this might be helpful if anybody else has run into the same issue. I was having a problem with horizontal lines slanting down about 1/4" from left to right. I had a tech come out today to take a look at it since its under warranty. I told him about what cecilnyr had posted when he had the same issue, about how it was an issue with a spacer on the mirror. The tech kept telling me theres no way thats the issue, blah blah blah. He took the TV almost completely apart, couldnt find anything wrong, and eventually decided it need a new optical block, basically the entire lens assembly. I told him to forget it, I would just exchange the TV since its still within my 30 days since purchase. After he left, I opened up the round door on the right side of the TV and messed around with the spacer. I'm happy to report that it cost me one small piece of styrofoam to fix the issue. I stuck a piece in there between the mirror and the spacer and voila, problem solved. Thanks for nothing repair guy.

In short, too late I know, if you have this same issue its an easy DIY fix.

I just purchased the set (50E3000) 3 days ago from BB. I am very happy with it, especially for the price. Like a few previous posters have said I did have a high pitched whirring sound come from the back (fan?) when I first started using it but it seems to lessen each day and has almost completetly gone away. SD TV looks better than on other more expensive sets I have seen and both DVD's and my Wii look great.

For DVD's I tried using the settings jd79 posted and component cables and they looked great.

For the Wii I use the Nintendo brand component cables and turn "game mode" on and it looks great for 480p, especially Metroid Prime 3 (remember to set your wii for widescreen and 480p as well).

Comcast is coming Friday with my HD box so I am excited to see this TV at its best. Anyone else have any other calibration settings for either SD or HD TV?

Just exchanged my 47" Westy for this set last night (what a pain!!), mine has the same high pitched buzzing sound that will hopefully go away like others. The Indians looked great last night though!

Blacksmith, do you have the 46" size of this TV like me? Could you download my file above, pop it into a memory stick and plug it into your 360? Although it's not 1280x720 after the resize this site did to attach it, I think the 360 gives an option to make it fill the screen. Or if you have software to resize the image back to 1280x720, that would be ideal.

I'd think all these models would have the same overscan problem, not just random units of this model.

I'm gonna go ahead and guess maybe the 46" model has this overscan issue. I saw the 50" at BB and it looked awesome, noticeably sharper then anything samsung had, the colors weren't over the top but just right in my eyes. Samsung sets have alot of color but they also blot out details because their colors are too dark and vivid.

I recently purchased a Samsung HLT5075s (50 inch DLP 720p) and the input lag (for everything) is way too much. I like the picture, but not being able to play sports games, Halo 3, or the Wii is makes the TV undesirable. I'm thinking of returning it and "upgrading" to one of these TVs. Does anyone have any experience with lag on the 50 inch set? Small lag counts, as it completely messes with fast action games. 1080p would be nice, as well, although the Samsung's picture is really fantastic.

With the "game mode" on the 50E3000, I have not noticed any lag with the wii (zelda and metroid prime 3 are the only games I have played on it so far). I have it hooked up with the nintendo brand comp cables. My brother in law has a xbox360 and I will update when he brings it over so I can test it out.

With the "game mode" on the 50E3000, I have not noticed any lag with the wii (zelda and metroid prime 3 are the only games I have played on it so far). I have it hooked up with the nintendo brand comp cables. My brother in law has a xbox360 and I will update when he brings it over so I can test it out.

Thanks for the response. So the Wii cursor does not feel sluggish? It does on mine. That's good to hear. Let me know about the 360. If you have sports games with meters (free throws, pitching, golf swings), that's the best way to tell.

I'm currently torn between the 50" Sony E3000 and a Samsung HL-T5076S. I have seen both in store the first time the Sony looked noticeably better and sharper, but yesterday when I saw both they looked kinda close each had it's up and downs. Sammy had better colors but the Sony was sharper with slightly less vivid colors. The main issue now comes down to reliability. I currently own a Sony KDFE42A10 and it developed issues with blue blobs on the screen. I like it's pq more than 90% of the time, HD is great and looks like the E3000 has improved on certain parts of pq.Now, what are the chances that Sony has ironed out issue with blobs appearing on screen from the A10 to E2000 and now E3000? Also for those who have or had the Sammy in question how is it's reliability? I also know that the Sony is currently about $200 less which is good thig going for it. I'm probably gonna be picking a either set tuesday after next so input ASAP would be greatly appreciated.

Hey Guys, I just started another thread but then I see this one. I just bought the 46inch model and got it set up, I have a few Q's regarding somethings so heres the link. Dang, I can't post a link they think I'm a spammer, so I have to put the thread number


924822

Also, if this unit was recalled, is there anyway I got an old one if I purchased this Tuesday?

jd, is that for the 46 or the 50 or does it even matter? does anyone have any settings for gaming?

That is for the 50, but try them on the 46 and see what you get. You never know.... Those calibrations I came up with were not for gaming, though. Hope that helps.

I just picked up the 50" model. So far no major geometry issues. There is a tiny bit when I'm looking at my cable menu but it's very little. PQ is solid on SD, blacks are pretty deep, better than my last Sony tv. HD is sweet as can be expected The size is perfect if you are just about at 8 feet. I haven't done much calibration yet but out of the box the set is pretty good IMO.

Here's a pic of SD
http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/638/dsc03608vo3.jpg

http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/7079/dsc03618uv6.jpg

during some programs motion blur seems to be a bit excessive, isn't that 24p feature supposed to help with motion? Does it only apply to sources using HDMI?

Ok I've heard 360 can display 1080p over the componet cables is this true because I have tried to get it with my set and it's a no go. I really don't want to have to buy another 360 that has HDMI cuz mine doesn't. VGA would do the trick right?

Kicks

Only 1080p/24 only works over HDMI

Kicks

Only 1080p/24 only works over HDMI
The sticker on the front of the set says it should have 2 1080p component inputs but it doesn't. I heard this tv was released early and then recalled perhaps they changed that spec but still kept the sticker saying it has it. False advertising class action law suit lol

The only sticker mine came with on the front says full 1080p, I also dont think it has ever been possible for 1080p over component inputs. My tv is a 46inch though. If the 360 can output 1080p over component than Im not sure how you would go about getting 1080p/24 because on my PS3 its a setting only affecting Blu-Ray movies. I have my 360 Elite hooked up via HDMI with 1080p and I do not think it is possible for the 360 to display 1080p/24.

The manual list component as 1080i only. All information from the manual and specs on the sony website state 1080p/24 thru HDMI only.

I was under the impression that motion blur is a result of slow response time. 1080p/24 is the framerate of film based content (movies) and will only benefit TVs that can display a multiple of 24 like 48hz, 72hz, or 120hz. Since the E3000 only outputs at 60hz then you will still have to pad 24fps material with 3:2 pulldown and you will still get jutter on film based material. Only the A3000 with it's 120hz framerate will help with 24fps material. Even though the E3000 can accept 1080p/24, doesn't mean it is much of an advantage.

I can only think of one advantage for a 60hz display to accept 1080p/24, and that is to skip an inherently bad 1080p/60 output device like the Toshiba A20 HD-DVD player. The Toshiba does a 1080p24->1080i30->1080p60 step to output 1080p60 and it does the 1080i30->1080p60 step poorly and introduces interlacing artifacts into the picture. Setting the Toshiba to output 1080p24 fixes this problem as long as the E3000 does not do the same crappy conversion the Toshiba did to get to 1080p60

The manual list component as 1080i only. All information from the manual and specs on the sony website state 1080p/24 thru HDMI only.

Out of all the major manufacturers I have come across, it seems that only Samsung has TVs that accept 1080p over component. Not all do, but many of the newer ones do.

Hey guys! Well I was at frys to get my monitor from service and thought "I'll go see if there are any deals on the dlps yet." Got to looking around and noticed they were having some huge sales. Came across the 50e3000 $1099.99. I couldn't resist. I had to buy it for that price. So far geometry issues are non existent and the pq is friggin awesome so far but im going to mess around with the settings a bit. for 1099.99 and 18 months no interest and no payments I just couldnt walk away and ive been looking for 6 months now so I think im glad I waited. I do however have the hum noise in the back, but you have to really be paying attention to hear it.

Hey guys! Well I was at frys to get my monitor from service and thought "I'll go see if there are any deals on the dlps yet." Got to looking around and noticed they were having some huge sales. Came across the 50e3000 $1099.99. I couldn't resist. I had to buy it for that price. So far geometry issues are non existent and the pq is friggin awesome so far but im going to mess around with the settings a bit. for 1099.99 and 18 months no interest and no payments I just couldnt walk away and ive been looking for 6 months now so I think im glad I waited. I do however have the hum noise in the back, but you have to really be paying attention to hear it.

Yea the set rocks I got mine for about 400 more than yours but still a good deal and cheaper than the Samsung. I compared both pictures Sony set on vivid and the samsung on dynamic just to see how poppy the colors are and the blacks, overall they were equal color wise but the Sammy's black was a bit better but the Sony I believe shows better details, where the Sammy's deep black blots out some details. I think the Sony's blacks are pretty good for the price.

I was under the impression that motion blur is a result of slow response time. 1080p/24 is the framerate of film based content (movies) and will only benefit TVs that can display a multiple of 24 like 48hz, 72hz, or 120hz. Since the E3000 only outputs at 60hz then you will still have to pad 24fps material with 3:2 pulldown and you will still get jutter on film based material. Only the A3000 with it's 120hz framerate will help with 24fps material. Even though the E3000 can accept 1080p/24, doesn't mean it is much of an advantage.

I can only think of one advantage for a 60hz display to accept 1080p/24, and that is to skip an inherently bad 1080p/60 output device like the Toshiba A20 HD-DVD player. The Toshiba does a 1080p24->1080i30->1080p60 step to output 1080p60 and it does the 1080i30->1080p60 step poorly and introduces interlacing artifacts into the picture. Setting the Toshiba to output 1080p24 fixes this problem as long as the E3000 does not do the same crappy conversion the Toshiba did to get to 1080p60

It is my understanding that when the TV recieves a 1080p/24 signal it displays the film at 24 frames per second like it was originaly recorded therefor removing any artifacts from the image.

Does anybody know the response time for this set? I can't find it in the manuel

Does anybody know the response time for this set? I can't find it in the manuel

Your prolly looking for a real answer but I though I would through it out there, I have used this TV for a week now of heavy gaming and the response has never been an issue whatsoever.

Anyone else have any calibrations for this set?

I was watching beerfest today on blu ray and I decided to get up real close to the screen, I noticed that on the right side of the screen there are numberous green "dots" the size of one pixel. It got me wondering so I started looking very close all over the TV and noticed many other tiny "dots" around. I wouldnt think it is possible for dust to settle that much within the first week, is it???? This is really worrying me.

I was watching beerfest today on blu ray and I decided to get up real close to the screen, I noticed that on the right side of the screen there are numberous green "dots" the size of one pixel. It got me wondering so I started looking very close all over the TV and noticed many other tiny "dots" around. I wouldnt think it is possible for dust to settle that much within the first week, is it???? This is really worrying me.
green dots, wow that doesn't sound good, was there a scene in the movie with alot of green or anything, all i can think is maybe those pixels got stuck

yes its not, and I know of any "extreme" green scenes, its possible that I may have left my 360 on the green blade for a while however I doubt that happened.. I was unable to get a picture of it earlier today but I will try again later today.

Some pics for anybody on the fence on this set
Xbox 360 settings & pics

Picture Mode- Standard

Advanced Iris- Auto 1

Picture- 78

Brightness- 50

Color- 48

Hue- G1

Sharpness- 18

Color Temp- neutral

Noise Reduction- low

black counter- low

gamma- low

clear white- low

live color- off

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/265/dsc03648gs1.jpg

http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/8516/dsc03657tg7.jpg

http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/3715/dsc03658td6.jpg

other pics of PS3, HD, upconvert DVD and SD coming soon

What kind of tv stand is that?

What kind of tv stand is that?
I don't remember the brand but I got it at Best Buy a little over a year ago, I checked their site but I don't see it there. It had 3 glass shelves I recent;y removed the 3rd one and put my center speaker there because my new tv's back is too slanted and I can't mount it with my center speaker mount as I did with my last set. Honestly I think it's not all too great to be mounting speakers atop your tv. I believe I got it for like $100-$120

Picture Mode- Cinema

Advanced Iris- Low

Picture- 65

Brightness- 49

Color- 51

Hue- G1

Sharpness- 20

Color Temp- Warm 1

Noise Reduction- Off

Everything else OFF..... And these are my settings I calibrated w/ DVE for viewing films and such in a darkened room(looks fantastic).....


I have these settings right now and after a couple of movies or so, to me it feels a little dark overall. Not sure how to explain it but its like the overall image is kinda muted. Could this be changed by raising the gamma? I have bad eyesight so it feels a little dark or toned down to me.

I have these settings right now and after a couple of movies or so, to me it feels a little dark overall. Not sure how to explain it but its like the overall image is kinda muted. Could this be changed by raising the gamma? I have bad eyesight so it feels a little dark or toned down to me.

Yea is it a bit darker, if you do want a brigher picture turning gamma to medium or high would give you a brighter picture, but might push the colors especially red. I haven't gone into the service menu on the set. I only have it set like so to try and improve the blacks and so far not really working. I may return the set for a Samsung HL-T5076S I saw it at the store a few ties now and the blacks are noticeably better and it has better colors. That was the original set I wanted but being an impatient guy like I am I settled for the Sony because it was $200 cheaper.

I've had this TV for a week and so far the only real problem I see is the silk screen effect. I should have noticed it in the store but I guess I was so excited to get a 47" 1080p TV for such a low price that I didn't stop to consider the disadvantages inherent in rear projection TVs.

From what I've seen, most rear projection TV's have the silk screen effect to some extent. I would describe it as a sparkly effect that gives a texture to whatever is behind it. It's most visible when there are solid colors on the screen. The effect doesn't move around but when you move your head, it seems to shimmer - kind of like the prism effect of water droplets on a TV screen. I honestly didn't notice it for the first few minutes I used the TV but after a while, I can't NOT see it. It's really starting to get on my nerves so I think this TV is going back - just as soon as I can decide what the replacement will be.

For the money, if the silk screen effect doesn't bother you, I think this is a killer TV. I love the menus and with game mode on, Wii and Xbox 360 look fantastic with no noticeable delay.

Out of all the major manufacturers I have come across, it seems that only Samsung has TVs that accept 1080p over component. Not all do, but many of the newer ones do.

The Sony XBR4 series supports 1080p over component - according to the manual found at the following address:

esupport.sony.com/US/perl/model-documents.pl?mdl=KDL46XBR4&LOC=3

(the address is case sensitive, so if you get an error, check the case)

Yea is it a bit darker, if you do want a brigher picture turning gamma to medium or high would give you a brighter picture, but might push the colors especially red. I haven't gone into the service menu on the set. I only have it set like so to try and improve the blacks and so far not really working. I may return the set for a Samsung HL-T5076S I saw it at the store a few ties now and the blacks are noticeably better and it has better colors. That was the original set I wanted but being an impatient guy like I am I settled for the Sony because it was $200 cheaper.

Do you know how to get into the service menu? I wanted an samsung originally but EVERY single one I saw at a different store had horrible geometry issues. That stuff drives me nuts. For 1099.99 which is what I got this tv for I think this tv is very nice. I do see the silk screening a bit, which I only seem to notice on white a little and my tv squeels/hums do to fan or bulb in the back.

Do you know how to get into the service menu? I wanted an samsung originally but EVERY single one I saw at a different store had horrible geometry issues. That stuff drives me nuts. For 1099.99 which is what I got this tv for I think this tv is very nice. I do see the silk screening a bit, which I only seem to notice on white a little and my tv squeels/hums do to fan or bulb in the back.


when the tv is off press

1. Display top left on your remote.
2. Press the number 5 on your remote.
3. Press Volume up once on your remote.
4. Press the power to turn on your tv on your remote.

remember to press them on right after the other.

Thanks Kicks, any new pics of upconversion? Im curious to this as this is the way im going till the war is over.

Thanks Kicks, any new pics of upconversion? Im curious to this as this is the way im going till the war is over.

Dude I returned the Sony for a Samsung from last years model line, best decision I have made in a while. I got a 56" 1080p Samsung for the same price as the Sony. Blacks are way better and so is the color accuracy.

Model HL-S5687W and the set gets 1080p over component unlike the Sony.
The blacks on the Sony bothered me so much it had to go. I was wondering why Sony was selling the set for so low.

I dont see an issues with the blacks.. ??:confused: How did you know how to get into the service menu. No idea how to navigate around.

I dont see an issues with the blacks.. ??:confused: How did you know how to get into the service menu. No idea how to navigate around.

I had a Sony KDFE42A10 before this Sony and they usually keep things like that the same. The only issue I see with the Smasung is slith bowing when viewing 4:3 pulldown, other than that it's perfect.

Anyone else on Calibration?

Does entering the service menu void the warranty? Is the TV able to track it if I ever do enter the service menu? Also should I go out and buy a calibartion dvd or wait for the Blu Ray - HD-DVD ones to come out?

Does entering the service menu void the warranty? Is the TV able to track it if I ever do enter the service menu? Also should I go out and buy a calibartion dvd or wait for the Blu Ray - HD-DVD ones to come out?

I think there is a way to put them back to default, I will investigate for you how to do so. But yea if they find out you did change them your warrenty could be voided.

hmm that is interesting. I am assuming when a ISF guy comes for a professional calibration, he uses the service menu.. is that a fair assumtion? if he accesses the menu is the warranty voided as well?

hmm that is interesting. I am assuming when a ISF guy comes for a professional calibration, he uses the service menu.. is that a fair assumtion? if he accesses the menu is the warranty voided as well?

Well if your tv breaks ISF guy isn't going to fix it. You are gonna deal with a Sony guy, and according to Sony or any other tv company the only tools you need to better your picture are your run of the mill picture mode settings (color temp control, iris, sharpness so fort) Which is why you don't get instructions on how to access the service menu in your tv manuel it's something your aren't supposed to be doing.

step 9) To save the new value press (mute) (ent) and wait for write to complete, skip this step if no change is desired [setting will stay without write until the set is unplugged]

just turning off the tv without doing the save will resume the changes you make to their default settings.

I'm a new owner and I have a question about 1080p dvd players and this tv.

(please excuse the butchering of the technical terms)

From what I have read, most 1080p tv's will take the 1080i source and scale it in such a way that it is no different than what a 1080p player would produce (1080p/24) Is this true for this tv? I'm debating whether or not I should buy one of the cheap hddvd players that went on sale today (they are 1080i) or hold out for the 1080p players to come down a little more.

Also, I currently have a 1080i upconverting Philips player. I'm curious to see if this player does a better job at the upconversion or if I should disable it and let the tv handle it. Question: is this upconversion always on, regardless of source type? I see that the sony page says it is for 480i... I'm not really sure how that works with other signals.

Can you have different picture settings for individual inputs? Also, how is the viewing angle? For instance, one of my recliners is about 35-45 degrees from center. Is brightness acceptable?

thanks,

ej

EJ..

yes each input has different picture settings. viewing angle should be fine for your recliners.. my 46inch is in my bedroom and i have a chair about 45 degrees to the right and i really dont notice any brightness change.

Can you have different picture settings for individual inputs? Also, how is the viewing angle? For instance, one of my recliners is about 35-45 degrees from center. Is brightness acceptable?

thanks,

ej
Edit - posted to the wrong thread

I'm a new owner and I have a question about 1080p dvd players and this tv.

(please excuse the butchering of the technical terms)

From what I have read, most 1080p tv's will take the 1080i source and scale it in such a way that it is no different than what a 1080p player would produce (1080p/24) Is this true for this tv? I'm debating whether or not I should buy one of the cheap hddvd players that went on sale today (they are 1080i) or hold out for the 1080p players to come down a little more.

Also, I currently have a 1080i upconverting Philips player. I'm curious to see if this player does a better job at the upconversion or if I should disable it and let the tv handle it. Question: is this upconversion always on, regardless of source type? I see that the sony page says it is for 480i... I'm not really sure how that works with other signals.

Ditto:

Anyone out there have this set, an HD DVD player, and the DVE-HD disc, that could check this out for us.

I got the Nov issue of Home Theater Magazine for the HDTV tests but it did not have the E3000. It had the E2000 which failed the de-interlacing and 3-2 pulldown tests.

The de-interlacing test seems fairly simple. Set the player to 1080i, display the SMPTE 133 test pattern (supposed to be on the HD side of the DVE disc) and look at the fine horizontal lines in the corner of the display. If they show as distinct alternating black and white lines then the set de-interlaces properly. If they show as a flashing block then it is line-doubling each 540-line field instead of weaving them together.

Ditto:

Anyone out there have this set, an HD DVD player, and the DVE-HD disc, that could check this out for us.

I got the Nov issue of Home Theater Magazine for the HDTV tests but it did not have the E3000. It had the E2000 which failed the de-interlacing and 3-2 pulldown tests.

The de-interlacing test seems fairly simple. Set the player to 1080i, display the SMPTE 133 test pattern (supposed to be on the HD side of the DVE disc) and look at the fine horizontal lines in the corner of the display. If they show as distinct alternating black and white lines then the set de-interlaces properly. If they show as a flashing block then it is line-doubling each 540-line field instead of weaving them together.

Ok, couldn't stand it anymore, bought the Toshiba A3. If this set is not de-interlacing properly then my eyes will probably burn out if I get a 1080p player. The picture is great. Maybe I'll get the test disk later and see but I don't know if I care anymore.

I am looking at this set since its like $1200 at Best Buy right now.

I have a Samsung, hls-4266w DLP now. Would this Sony be a step up?

Thanks!

I would say so, I have enjoyed my set tremendously over the past three weeks and the price is great for the resolution, however its totally up to you.

I love mine! My complaints are mininal though. I hearing the hissing sound of the bulb in the back. You dont hear it unless the volume is somewhat down low. Also, the silk screening is a bit bad in 1 spot and its dead center above the sony logo. If it bugs me much more ill call frys. (Got the 5 year warranty)

Can someone post how to enter the service mode and some common adjustments that might improve the image?

thanks,
ej

when the tv is off press

1. Display top left on your remote.
2. Press the number 5 on your remote.
3. Press Volume up once on your remote.
4. Press the power to turn on your tv on your remote.

remember to press them on right after the other.

This is how you get into service. How you change or alter options I have no idea.

Hello everyone quick Q. I think I might want my set calibrated. The closest guy around here is 50 miles away and quoted me $150 for an hdmi and component calibration. Does that sound about right and has anyone here had their set professionally calibrated?

Hey, I'm very interested in the 50 inch E3000, I have a few questions though and hopefully one of you owners can answer them.

Does the set have a DVI connection? and if so what is the maximum res the set can handle through the dvi connection? I want to use my xbox 360 as an upconverting dvd player but thats only possible through the VGA cable so I was planning on getting a vga - DVI adapter.

Also what is the contrast ratio? I can't find this nugget of info anywhere. As this will be our first HDTV do you guys think it is a good choice as our first set? we have a budget of about 1000$ and we sit no closer than 10 feet to the tv.

Hey, I'm very interested in the 50 inch E3000, I have a few questions though and hopefully one of you owners can answer them.

Does the set have a DVI connection? and if so what is the maximum res the set can handle through the dvi connection? I want to use my xbox 360 as an upconverting dvd player but thats only possible through the VGA cable so I was planning on getting a vga - DVI adapter.

Also what is the contrast ratio? I can't find this nugget of info anywhere. As this will be our first HDTV do you guys think it is a good choice as our first set? we have a budget of about 1000$ and we sit no closer than 10 feet to the tv.

You could buy an hdmi-dvi for about $20, so that would solve your first problem.

As for the second, that's a little tougher. I'm doing something *somewhat* similar with one of my older tivos. I have said tivo connected to my denon home thater receiver and this receiver upconverts the picture to 1080i. Truth be told, I don't see any difference between this upconverted picture or if I plug right in to the Sony using component and let it upconvert (and the difference was noticeable on my previous HD tv). I haven't hooked up my ps2 yet to see what it looks like.

Overall, I'm thrilled with the new tv and I haven't even broke out my home theater disk yet.

Hello everyone quick Q. I think I might want my set calibrated. The closest guy around here is 50 miles away and quoted me $150 for an hdmi and component calibration. Does that sound about right and has anyone here had their set professionally calibrated?

Wow, that is expensive! That may be the going rate, but still.... have you thought about trying one of the home theater setup guides? I have a couple of them and I have to tell you that they aren't that hard at all. It is almost like going to the eye doctor... they give you a series of test patterns and they show you what it is supposed to look like. You fiddle with each setting, one at a time, and they walk you through it. Also, I believe HDNet broacasts test patterns on sunday mornings (I know Directv has it, not sure about others) that allow you to configure your tv the right way. In fact, some have said that the HDNet version is preferable because it is a true 1080i source.

Also, the setup guides will help with your sound setup. This is actually where I saw the most gain.

Hello everyone quick Q. I think I might want my set calibrated. The closest guy around here is 50 miles away and quoted me $150 for an hdmi and component calibration. Does that sound about right and has anyone here had their set professionally calibrated?

I haven't had my 50E3000 calibrated yet but I did have my old 42KDF655 ISF calibrated by Eliab Alvarez who frequents the AVS forums and is very good at what he does. The full calibration service took almost 2 hours and cost around $500 for several inputs. The picture was noticibly better when he was finished but keep in mind the WAF (wife approval factor) is very low given the cost and that the set will be very dim afterwords (the professional calibration is ment to be viewed with controlled lighting conditions). I had already performed multiple adjustments in the service mode for that TV before the calibration (suggested by umr in the official GWIII and GWIV threads) and I still noticed a difference after the ISF calibration. Since I just got my 50E3000 in September, I'm going to wait a while before getting a calibration but I will most definately have my new set calibrated.

Ok after singing the praises of this TV for the last month I have an issue. For the last week when I turn the TV on, the green light flashes for about 20 seconds then the red "lamp" light begins flashing. I would try the power again and it would work fine. The TV is only a month old so I called Sony and they said the problem was the TV was plugged in to a surge protector and I should plug it straight into the wall.

That worked for about 2 days, but now I cannot get the TV to turn on at all, it just goes from the flashing green light to the red lamp light. Some times it comes on and the picture looks fine for about a minute then it shuts off again with the red light blinking. I called Sony again and now they said I need a new lamp and they will send one for free under warranty. Can my lamp really be out after 1 month? I have no confidance a new lamp will fix this because when the old one comes on it looks fine.

Has any one else had this issue with this TV or any other RPTV? This is my first RPTV so I am not familiar with them.

Hey guys, I'm wondering if this set supports 1:1 pixel mapping thru the hdmi port? I can get this set at an insanely nice price but I need it to work with my pc for games and hd movies. Anyone use this for pc usage? Thanks in advance.

Ok after singing the praises of this TV for the last month I have an issue. For the last week when I turn the TV on, the green light flashes for about 20 seconds then the red "lamp" light begins flashing. I would try the power again and it would work fine. The TV is only a month old so I called Sony and they said the problem was the TV was plugged in to a surge protector and I should plug it straight into the wall.

That worked for about 2 days, but now I cannot get the TV to turn on at all, it just goes from the flashing green light to the red lamp light. Some times it comes on and the picture looks fine for about a minute then it shuts off again with the red light blinking. I called Sony again and now they said I need a new lamp and they will send one for free under warranty. Can my lamp really be out after 1 month? I have no confidance a new lamp will fix this because when the old one comes on it looks fine.

Has any one else had this issue with this TV or any other RPTV? This is my first RPTV so I am not familiar with them.

Could there be some hdmi handshake issues? I've seen my tv do some funky things when it started up and tried to talk to my Denon Home theater receiver. Just a shot in the dark but playing with the startup order in my Harmony remote seems to have eliminated some of the flashing.

Could there be some hdmi handshake issues? I've seen my tv do some funky things when it started up and tried to talk to my Denon Home theater receiver. Just a shot in the dark but playing with the startup order in my Harmony remote seems to have eliminated some of the flashing.

I don't think so, but thanks. It does the same thing if I am hooked up via comp. cables to my wii, coax through my tivo, or hdmi to the cable box.

Bump for my question, about tp pull the trigger, need to know if the 46incher has 1:1 pixel mapping for pc usage.

Well I think I will go ahead and pull the trigger on the 50 inch, now all I need is to find a cheap upconvert dvd player.


Anyone know if these tv's have HDCP HDMI ports?

Well I think I will go ahead and pull the trigger on the 50 inch, now all I need is to find a cheap upconvert dvd player.


Anyone know if these tv's have HDCP HDMI ports?

I have a Phillips upconverting dvd player - it does a real nice job for the price (about $60), and it plays from a usb drive.

Yup, standard hdcp/hdmi.

Has anyone figured out what the contrast ratio is on the KDF-50E300? I wrote to Sony, but got a response stating that the contrast ratio was not a spec that they would give me. That makes me think it is either a low number and they don't want to look bad, or they have some proprietary doohickey that is still secret.
I have the set on order and am trying to gather as much information as I can before I crack open the box.

Thanks.

Has anyone figured out what the contrast ratio is on the KDF-50E300? I wrote to Sony, but got a response stating that the contrast ratio was not a spec that they would give me. That makes me think it is either a low number and they don't want to look bad, or they have some proprietary doohickey that is still secret.
I have the set on order and am trying to gather as much information as I can before I crack open the box.

Thanks.

I swear I remember when I bought this TV from Ultimate Electronics on the piece of paper having the price and a few features listed it said it was 6000:1. I am not 100 percent sure that is the correct number or not but I have a pretty good hunch saying it is..

Can anyone take some snapshots of this TV in action? Or just set up in your living room, etc?

I've basically decided that this is the TV I want, and hopefully should be able to get one within a couple of months.

I just want to see it in a "real-life" situation... How it looks next to furniture, with movies & so on.

Ok after singing the praises of this TV for the last month I have an issue. For the last week when I turn the TV on, the green light flashes for about 20 seconds then the red "lamp" light begins flashing. I would try the power again and it would work fine. The TV is only a month old so I called Sony and they said the problem was the TV was plugged in to a surge protector and I should plug it straight into the wall.

That worked for about 2 days, but now I cannot get the TV to turn on at all, it just goes from the flashing green light to the red lamp light. Some times it comes on and the picture looks fine for about a minute then it shuts off again with the red light blinking. I called Sony again and now they said I need a new lamp and they will send one for free under warranty. Can my lamp really be out after 1 month? I have no confidance a new lamp will fix this because when the old one comes on it looks fine.

Has any one else had this issue with this TV or any other RPTV? This is my first RPTV so I am not familiar with them.

Well my bulb was delivered this morning (pretty fast I only called Sony Friday evening) so I will try it out tonight. If it still does not work has anyone had a Sony tech come to there house before? I am curious as to how fast they will send someone.


Can anyone take some snapshots of this TV in action? Or just set up in your living room, etc?

I've basically decided that this is the TV I want, and hopefully should be able to get one within a couple of months.

I just want to see it in a "real-life" situation... How it looks next to furniture, with movies & so on.

I believe there are already pics posted on this thread of the TV in use.

I believe there are already pics posted on this thread of the TV in use.

Yes, But I'd like to see some more. :)

Well my bulb was delivered this morning (pretty fast I only called Sony Friday evening) so I will try it out tonight. If it still does not work has anyone had a Sony tech come to there house before? I am curious as to how fast they will send someone.



The new bulb works fine. I am a little nervous my original bulb only lasted 1 month but I am hoping it was just a fluke.

Hi all,

I've had the KDF-46E3000 for one week now. Overall i've been very happy w/ the set..This is my first HDTV and I shopped around for about a year.
For the feature set and price point i dont think you can go wrong w/ this TV.

I currently do not have HD cable service available in my area, but i do have an upconverting 1080p DVD player. DVD's look awsome and SD broadcasts aren't to shabby really, but they sure leave me anticipating HD channels.

Has anyone else (other than previous post) ran a calibration disk on this tv?
just wanted to say Hi to all the fellow owners out there too ! :cool: :D

Can anyone take some snapshots of this TV in action? Or just set up in your living room, etc?

I've basically decided that this is the TV I want, and hopefully should be able to get one within a couple of months.

I just want to see it in a "real-life" situation... How it looks next to furniture, with movies & so on.

a pic from when I used to have this tv which was about 3 weeks ago

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/4026/93511686wd5.jpg

Can anyone tell me to what resolution the 480i signals are upscaled?


Thanks.

Can anyone tell me to what resolution the 480i signals are upscaled?


Thanks.

I dont believe the 480i images are upscaled but since the tv is 1080p native i assume all of the resolutions whether it be 480i,p 720p or 1080i will be shown at "1080p" even though they were not necessarily upscaled to 1080p.

I only asked because of what I saw on the SonyStyle webiste:

BRAVIA Engine™ EX Full Digital Video Processor
The BRAVIA Engine EX full digital video processing system is based on Sony’s famous BRAVIA Engine video processing system. It has all of the same video processing functions of BRAVIA Engine plus the added ability to upconvert 480i standard definition signals via Digital Reality Creation Multi Function v1.0 technology for a picture with more detail and definition.



Did I read it wrong??

hmm maybe not but i have a 42 inch plasma as well and i dont notice it being any better at all... its possible i have a bad feed tho

I only asked because of what I saw on the SonyStyle webiste:

BRAVIA Engine™ EX Full Digital Video Processor
The BRAVIA Engine EX full digital video processing system is based on Sony’s famous BRAVIA Engine video processing system. It has all of the same video processing functions of BRAVIA Engine plus the added ability to upconvert 480i standard definition signals via Digital Reality Creation Multi Function v1.0 technology for a picture with more detail and definition.



Did I read it wrong??

No you did not. I can't get over how great my Sony Bravia 50e3000 makes my DVDs look. I have a Toshiba prog scan DVD player and it looks amazing. It even looks better then using an up convert DVD with HDMI cable. I tried that also. The Sony TV does a great job doing the upgrade itself.

What exactly does 'game' mode do for this tv or just tvs in general? does it speed up the video process by downgrading the quality of picture reproduction or what?

a pic from when I used to have this tv which was about 3 weeks ago

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/4026/93511686wd5.jpg

kicks, you said you returned your set for a samsung because you felt the blacks were poor. is it just the pic that is making the blacks from that screen amazing or what? what movie is that from???

I purchased this tv from Vanns for $1070 shipped. I received it Monday morning and have been very happy with it. This is my first HDTV but I think the picture looks just as good as my bro-in-laws 46 inch 1080p LCD Samsung that cost well over $2000. I highly recommend this TV!!

i got mine from vann's too.. can't beat free shipping and the nice harmony remote for free! ;)

kicks, you said you returned your set for a samsung because you felt the blacks were poor. is it just the pic that is making the blacks from that screen amazing or what? what movie is that from???
That's from Resident Evil Extinction trailer on PS3. The camera makes the black look better but in reallife it's still washed out kinda. It's ok but wasn't good enough, compared to the set I have now it was noticeably lacking.

i got mine from vann's too.. can't beat free shipping and the nice harmony remote for free! ;)

I wish I would have seen that deal before I bought mine from BB.

Is this set suitable for a classroom (about 30x30')? Various lighting settings (lights with a powerpoint presentation, no lights (though not completely dark) when watching a movie or program.

Basically, what I'm looking for is angle (max), and just how much the lighting will effect the picture quality from 20 or so feet away.

Thanks

How good is this tv at internal upscaling? I just purchased one and when it arrives I won't have any sort of upconverting dvd player (I plan on getting a high def player soon, just not immediately).

And does it only upscale through certain inputs? Probably just through hdmi?

Thanks a lot guys, I'm very new to hdtvs (I'm upgrading from a 19' magnavox from ~1995).

-Mike

I use a 6 year-old 5 disc sony running s-video. I had planned in upgrading to a upconverting DVD player, but the tv makes it look so good, I'm sticking with my current player. By the way, it upconverts all inputs, it has to, it displays everything at 1080p.

I use a 6 year-old 5 disc sony running s-video. I had planned in upgrading to a upconverting DVD player, but the tv makes it look so good, I'm sticking with my current player. By the way, it upconverts all inputs, it has to, it displays everything at 1080p.

Awesome, thanks for the response.

One more question. The store I bought the tv from apparently offers a 4 year warranty for ~$120-130 that does cover bulb replacement. Think this is a good idea? How long do these bulbs usually last? And whats the cost of replacement?

Awesome, thanks for the response.

One more question. The store I bought the tv from apparently offers a 4 year warranty for ~$120-130 that does cover bulb replacement. Think this is a good idea? How long do these bulbs usually last? And whats the cost of replacement?

Sounds like a good deal to me. Bulbs can really go at any time... Power outages, bad ventilation & heavy use can all lead to the bulb going out.

I'd say with regular use (15/hours a week) that it'll last you 2-3 years. That's what they SHOULD last anyways.

I've looked online and don't see mention of this unit having a cable card slot. Can anyone confirm/deny this? I'd look at mine, but it's boxed up until December. :(

Thanks!

No cable card.

I am getting the 50" delivered 11-24. What I need is to find the best height I should set the tv.........Have to use all my wood shop tools for something or the wife says they have to go.....any ideas?

I am getting the 50" delivered 11-24. What I need is to find the best height I should set the tv.........Have to use all my wood shop tools for something or the wife says they have to go.....any ideas?
Having the set at your eye level is key. How you get it there is up to you. You should be looking dead on at about the center of the screen, the higher you go over the center the less light you see (so the picture appears darker than it actually is). Since this is a rear projection, the image is projected onto a glass, (the glass is slanted so it can project onto the screen) so your viewing angle really matters or picture will appear dark.

I am getting the 50" delivered 11-24. What I need is to find the best height I should set the tv.........Have to use all my wood shop tools for something or the wife says they have to go.....any ideas?
I have been looking for a TV stand that is no more than 2' tall. Sitting at my computer, my line of sight is about 40" from the floor (I figure that a couch or recliner will probably be a bit lower). Since the TV itself is about 33" tall, there is approx. 17" under center. 40" - 17" = 23". If I/you can find something in that range, I think that I/we would get the best viewing angle.

As always, just my $.02...

Enjoy your new set!!!

No cable card.
Bummer. :( Thanks for the quick replythough, EJ.
I was hoping to avoid the $15/mo. box rental from the cable company for digital channels, but I'll just stick with the analog and OTA HD channels as long as I can stand it...

I just picked up mine from Circuit City today for 1174 after tax. I've had it set up through components with my phillips HTIAB for the past few hours and I am very happy with the pic on this LSU game in HD.

My HDMI cable wont arrive in the mail until Monday so Im waiting to do any serious tweaking until then. I am a very happy guy though I must say. Although probably because Im upgrading from an old school 60" Toshiba Theaterview HD that was about the size of a fridge. God I hated that thing.

Well got ours this a.m. and was impress right out of the box. But played with the settings a little and like it even more
Here are my settings

Pic mode- Standard

Advanved iris- Auto1

Pic-74

Brightness- 50

Color- 46

Hue- G1

Sharpness- 17

Color Temp- Warm1

Noise Reduction- off

Black counter- off

Gamma- low

Clear White- low

Live Color- off

Cinema- off

Still playing with it tho would like to get whites whiter, Black seems just right so am alittle leary of taking it much further. These are all from an H20-100 thru HDMI off of a THX disc from 10 ft away. Like I said very good to MY eyes.

^^thanks, i tried another setting configuration posted in this thread and it was way to dark for my room and less than desireable for my typical HD content, sports and nature.

ill try yours and hopefully have better luck.

can anyone post anymore pics? looking to buy this set from amazon and Im inches away from pulling the trigger.

^^thanks, i tried another setting configuration posted in this thread and it was way to dark for my room and less than desireable for my typical HD content, sports and nature.

ill try yours and hopefully have better luck.

You can also look here maybe some help
http://www.iq.sony.com/SRVS/CGI-BIN/WEBCGI.EXE/,/?St=971,E=0000000000743919727,K=9652,Sxi=3,Case=obj(201160), VARSET_OBJ=201160,VARSET_TSRC=results,UseTemplate=case.tem,V ARSET_TOP=TRUE

Frys.com currently has the
46" for 899.0
50" for 999.0

here's a pic of my 46" w/ the sony stand
standard def cable in the pic
i think the old cerwin's look out of place next to the TV
time for an upgrade :cool:

can anyone post anymore pics? looking to buy this set from amazon and Im inches away from pulling the trigger.

Sure, here is my 50" trying to blend in with the girlfriends decor. No flash on HD pic at mid-afternoon with blinds closed.
http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/7969/pic016ro9.jpg

thanks guys....I saw this set in person and I was even more impressed. :D

here's a pic of my 46" w/ the sony stand
standard def cable in the pic
i think the old cerwin's look out of place next to the TV
time for an upgrade :cool:

Where can I get that stand for my tv?

Where can I get that stand for my tv?
part number is Sony SU-RG13M

i purchased mine at vanns.com with the tv
http://www.vanns.com/shop/servlet/item/features/801299752?v_c=BizRate

Overall its a decent stand i guess. I like the fact that the front and rear of the tv is anchored..

Thanks Steppinrazer! Much appreciated!

Know of any free shipping or coupons for it? 400 for a stand! eekk!

oh jeepers.....
i got free shipping for everything
ya 400 bucks is pretty dam steep.. you could get a nice piece from a furniture store for that price

looks like amazon can hook you up w/ free shipping
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000TZMEIW?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&tag=cnet-ce-20&linkCode=asn
lead time leaves a little to be desired though...lol

edit:
here's a site.. in stock/free shipping
http://www.fotoconnection.com/p71286-sony-su-rg13m-tv-stand-for-the-e-series-kdf.html

Thanks Steppinrazer! Much appreciated!

Know of any free shipping or coupons for it? 400 for a stand! eekk!


Does Tech Craft make a stand for these? I have a Tech Craft SDE50 for my 50A10 and it is a great stand. I would love a similar stand for my new 46E3000 (purchased today at BB for a great price).

oh jeepers.....
i got free shipping for everything
ya 400 bucks is pretty dam steep.. you could get a nice piece from a furniture store for that price

looks like amazon can hook you up w/ free shipping
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000TZMEIW?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&tag=cnet-ce-20&linkCode=asn
lead time leaves a little to be desired though...lol

edit:
here's a site.. in stock/free shipping
http://www.fotoconnection.com/p71286-sony-su-rg13m-tv-stand-for-the-e-series-kdf.html


Whats the word on fotoconnection.com. Ive never ordered from there and wonder if its a legit place to buy things?

anyone have any good calibration settings for xbox 360 & PS3?

Does Tech Craft make a stand for these? I have a Tech Craft SDE50 for my 50A10 and it is a great stand. I would love a similar stand for my new 46E3000 (purchased today at BB for a great price).

Believe it or not, I shopped all over and found a great stand for $89 at Target. I think it said that it fit tv's up to 42" (I may be wrong about that) but it accomodated my 50" without problem. I saw no difference between that stand and the ones selling for $200 elsewhere. My goal was the smallest footprint possible as all of my AV stuff is in another cabinet.

I just thought I would share my experience with the KDF-50E3000.

I just purchased a KDF-50E3000 this previous Sunday which was delivered on Monday. I also purchased a Samsung Blu-Ray BD-P1400. I will be upgrading to Directv HD but am very satisfied with the PQ over SD.

My problem is the PQ @ 1080p over the HDMI port to which I had the Samsung Blu-Ray connected is terrible. The main problem is any skin tone is distorted. Peoples faces are changing color. I made sure the Samsung was set to 1080p 24f and the E3000 displayed the same for HDMI Port 1. This was happening with Blu-Ray DVD's Spiderman 3 and 300. It also happened to Ray (SD) but Ray played flawlessly on the E3000 via a regular DVD player connected via S-Video. Same symptoms when I used HDMI Port 2. No matter what resolution setting I set the Samsung to, the TV would display the same resolution for the HDMI port. The lower I went, the worse the picture became.

I then read the Samsung BD-P1400 thread and thought maybe I got a bad unit. I exchanged the unit for a Sony BDP-S300. Same problem.

I thought maybe I got a bad Monster HDMI cable so I purchased another. Same problem.

I then connected the Sony Blu-Ray via component video. Spiderman 3 and 300 played flawlessly at any resolution I set but still no 1080p.

I was on the phone with Sony for an hour and a half until all troubleshooting attempts were exhausted and they suggested a service call. Sony tried to schedule one but the company they use doesn't service my area. They supplied two authorized repair shops of which I called the closest and am waiting for a call back. I was told that since Sony didn't give me a reference number for warranty service, they would have to call Sony to verify my problem.

While I'm frustrated that I can't get 1080p over the HDMI port, I will say that previous posters were spot on that the SD picture quality is very acceptable.

Now I wait for the call back for service. I just hope it doesn't come down to me returning the set due to no service but I should have researched authorized service centers in my area first.

kbrownpa

what are your settings for the hdmi 1 port? I use my PS3 over hdmi for movies and games and it looks great to me...

I tried every possible combination starting with the settings of the Component video port as a baseline since that picture looked perfect.

I have since talked to the authorized service center who has ordered parts and hopefully will show up Friday as scheduled. I was told that the HDMI ports are on a seperate board than the other inputs and that board was one of the parts he ordered.

kbrownpa

I helped my friend set up the same TV last weekend, and we hooked up my PS3 via HDMI with no picture adjustments and picture was pretty nice. We started watching Devil's Rejects on Blue Ray and were both impressed. Hope your problem is solved soon, thats a pretty nice set.

Believe it or not, I shopped all over and found a great stand for $89 at Target. I think it said that it fit tv's up to 42" (I may be wrong about that) but it accomodated my 50" without problem. I saw no difference between that stand and the ones selling for $200 elsewhere. My goal was the smallest footprint possible as all of my AV stuff is in another cabinet.


That stand looks perfect. Do you happen to know the name of the company? Looks like I'm off to Target. Thanks!

That stand looks perfect. Do you happen to know the name of the company? Looks like I'm off to Target. Thanks!


I'm happy I could help - I looked high and low for something reasonable. I think it is this one... they have a few in this range and they all look kind of the same. They have some in black and others in silver. Like I said, it says it is for a smaller tv but I think that has more to do with weight than anything. A smaller tube tv is going to weigh more than the 50" bravia.

(note... I'll PM you the link but for those looking it appeared to be a 41" Phase stand for $99, available online or for store pickup. You almost have to get it at the store - the shipping would kill this deal)

there is a stand at target that fits up to 57" for about 90$

http://www.target.com/DLP-LCD-Plasma-57-Stand/dp/B000B6LAMU/qid=1196413046******br_1_12/601-8657146-9669712?ie=UTF8&node=12277801&frombrowse=1&index=target&field-browse=12277801&rank=pmrank&rh=p%5F3%3A%2450-%2499&page=2

only problem is like slump said with tax and shipping it rockets all the way to 272$

but thanks slump I would have never even thought to look at target for a TV stand.

Now we just need some PS3/360 Calibration settings. :D

there is a stand at target that fits up to 57" for about 90$

http://www.target.com/DLP-LCD-Plasma-57-Stand/dp/B000B6LAMU/qid=1196413046******br_1_12/601-8657146-9669712?ie=UTF8&node=12277801&frombrowse=1&index=target&field-browse=12277801&rank=pmrank&rh=p%5F3%3A%2450-%2499&page=2

only problem is like slump said with tax and shipping it rockets all the way to 272$

but thanks slump I would have never even thought to look at target for a TV stand.

Now we just need some PS3/360 Calibration settings. :D

Sigh... I know, I've been meaning to break out my Home theater calibration disk but the pic looked so good out of the box that I've been putting it off. Of course, being extremely colorblind doesn't make me the best person for this task :-)

Once again, don't be afraid to buy a stand that is smaller than what is advertised. My 50" fit just fine on the 40" stand.

I know that these settings are for the A3000, but I am trying them now and like them so far. Here is the link

http://help.cnet.com/9602-12576_39-0.html?messageID=2510459

visiting a friend out in san diego, he just got his new TV (first big, HD tv they've ever owned). first day, got it setup, hooked up the cox cable dvr via composite (hasn't swapped to the hd dvr til they catch up on recorded shows), and the ps2 via composite. 2nd day i buy them a toshiba sd6000 upconverting dvd player and a hdmi cable, and he buys component cables for his ps2. today after we get back from various tourist things for me, no device will produce sound on the tv (nothing changed from this morning when it worked, not muted, tv speakers turned on, volume up, etc) unless the dvd player is turned on. unplugged the dvd player doesn't fix the issue, power cycling the tv doesn't fix the issue (but the tv is taking 60 seconds between pressing power and it showing a picture). finally after leaving the tv unplugged for 60 seconds, the issue goes away and everything behaves, but the tv still takes 30+ seconds between hitting power and it showing a picture.
any thoughts on these issues?

visiting a friend out in san diego, he just got his new TV (first big, HD tv they've ever owned). first day, got it setup, hooked up the cox cable dvr via composite (hasn't swapped to the hd dvr til they catch up on recorded shows), and the ps2 via composite. 2nd day i buy them a toshiba sd6000 upconverting dvd player and a hdmi cable, and he buys component cables for his ps2. today after we get back from various tourist things for me, no device will produce sound on the tv (nothing changed from this morning when it worked, not muted, tv speakers turned on, volume up, etc) unless the dvd player is turned on. unplugged the dvd player doesn't fix the issue, power cycling the tv doesn't fix the issue (but the tv is taking 60 seconds between pressing power and it showing a picture). finally after leaving the tv unplugged for 60 seconds, the issue goes away and everything behaves, but the tv still takes 30+ seconds between hitting power and it showing a picture.
any thoughts on these issues?
The tv does take a while for the bulb to lite up, mine takes about 20 secs. If you are going to be away from the tv for just an hour or so just leave it on it doesn't like being shut off and turned back right away.

I'm happy I could help - I looked high and low for something reasonable. I think it is this one... they have a few in this range and they all look kind of the same. They have some in black and others in silver. Like I said, it says it is for a smaller tv but I think that has more to do with weight than anything. A smaller tube tv is going to weigh more than the 50" bravia.

(note... I'll PM you the link but for those looking it appeared to be a 41" Phase stand for $99, available online or for store pickup. You almost have to get it at the store - the shipping would kill this deal)

Great call! I bought the Phase stand from Target for the price you mentioned. It looks great. They have it in both grey and gloss black. I went with black to match the TV. Thanks for the suggestion.

For what it is worth here are my settings from DVE and Avia. My DVD player is hooked up via component cables and was outputting at 480p when I ran the test patterns. I am happy with these setting for movies and SD but the HD settings will need further tweaking. Try these settings for a while and then go back to "vivid" to see how blown out everything was before.

Here ya go:

Picture: 60
Brightness: 54
Color: 53
Hue: 0
Color Temp: Neutral
Sharpness: 15

I have the auto iris turned to medium because I could not stand the noticable dimming and brightening of the bulb when it was on auto. I also turned off pretty much every other option.

Let me know what you think and if you have any tweaks and suggestions, especially with HD settings.

Today I went to both BestBuy and Circuit City to compare these two sets,
I was hoping to see the 50" KDF E3000 and the 50" KDS A3000 side by side.
Both stores only had a 720 signal and they had both sets were about 8 ft apart, and the E3000 was 50" and the A3000 was 60". So, I was unable to compare apples with apples.
The only thing I could discern was that the A3000 "looked" a little brighter on the whites and I could not tell any difference in detail.
So, I really could not tell any difference due to not being able to compare them under the same conditions.
I have checked out the A3000 thread and there are over 5000 posts, vs the E3000 thread with around 200 posts. So, if you look at #s, there sure are alot of A3000 owners.
Have any of you been able to do a fair direct comparison of the same size sets sitting side by side ?
If so, can you give me your UNBIASED opinion????
I figured if I post this question in the A3000 section they would tell me to just but the A3000.
Your honest opinions appreciated on your preferences. the difference is around $300 for the two same size sets.
Thanks
By the way, I typically only rent DVDS from blockbuster, dont have cable, and only expect to go with antenna signals for my local TV.
Much appreciated

I've had my 50e3000 for 2 weeks and I still can't get over how much less impressive the picture is than my Samsung DLP HL-S. The Sony looks so faded compared to the Samsung. Any tips?

Hello to everyone.

I have had my 50e3000 for a week now and I only have a question regarding the screen door effect. I have a 46e2000 in my living room and I'm used to the screen door, but on the 50" its slightly more noticable. There's a spot on the lower center portion of the screen where the screen door effect is enhanced, it seems to be a circular spot that occupies about 10% of the screen. It's only noticable on cartoons or solid colors that occupy that area. Has anyone heard of this happening?

Here are two pieces of 1 picture that I took of the screen, same zoom level.
http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/6715/picture3os8.th.jpg (http://img84.imageshack.us/my.php?image=picture3os8.jpg)http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/9297/picture4tw8.th.jpg (http://img84.imageshack.us/my.php?image=picture4tw8.jpg)

Thanks,
Nathan

Hello to everyone.

I have had my 50e3000 for a week now and I only have a question regarding the screen door effect. I have a 46e2000 in my living room and I'm used to the screen door, but on the 50" its slightly more noticable. There's a spot on the lower center portion of the screen where the screen door effect is enhanced, it seems to be a circular spot that occupies about 10% of the screen. It's only noticable on cartoons or solid colors that occupy that area. Has anyone heard of this happening?

Here are two pieces of 1 picture that I took of the screen, same zoom level.
http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/6715/picture3os8.th.jpg (http://img84.imageshack.us/my.php?image=picture3os8.jpg)http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/9297/picture4tw8.th.jpg (http://img84.imageshack.us/my.php?image=picture4tw8.jpg)

Thanks,
Nathan

Yes! Im not the only one! I was going to make a service call! Its right above the sony symbol on the TV. At first I didnt notice it but now it drives me nuts. I only see it on bright solid colors and its crap. Any idea why its like that?

I think you are just seeing the "bright" spot on the tv. it is normal and shows up in one way or another on every rptv ive seen, it is just the brightest portion of the screen.

Thanks to all who responded to my previous post in this thread.

I just wanted to post an update to my previous post.

Service was here today and replaced a board responsible for the HDMI ports. I now have no problems at all with my Blu-Ray over the HDMI port. The picture is what I expected for 1080p @ 24f. Now all I have to to is play with the settings and thanks to those who posted theirs as a baseline.

Again, I say this TV is good bang for the buck.

Previously, any resolution over HDMI produced distorted pictures/flesh tones. Think of a picture and then having the picture change to what looks like a painting by LeRoy Nieman then having it switch back and forth.

I've attached images of the inside. The service man did say this was one of the harder TV's to work on as it usually only takes him 15 minutes to exchange a board but it took a little longer since this was the first E3000 he worked on.

I put my 50" on the Avion 8527 and it looks awesome. It is pricey, but if you have the money its worth it. It has lots of features like hidden wheels and leg levelers, Sliding rear panels so you can easily access the rear of the components and wire management. It really sets it at the perfect viewing height. http://www.bdiusa.com/avfurniture/avion_8527.shtml

Believe it or not, I shopped all over and found a great stand for $89 at Target. I think it said that it fit tv's up to 42" (I may be wrong about that) but it accomodated my 50" without problem. I saw no difference between that stand and the ones selling for $200 elsewhere. My goal was the smallest footprint possible as all of my AV stuff is in another cabinet.

Is it possible for you to post the height of the stand as it is not listed on their site. Looks good!

Is it possible for you to post the height of the stand as it is not listed on their site. Looks good!

Ripped from the item's page:

Model 8527:
Specifications
Overall:
22.5"H x 65"W x 22"D
Top Shelf Capacity
200 lbs.
Adjustable Shelf Capacity
50 lbs.
Bottom Shelf Capacity
75 lbs.
Max Component Depth
19"
Drawer Dimension:
7"H x 22.5"W x 16"D
Side Cabinet Dimension:
16.25" H x 18.5"W x 20.5"D
Shelf Adjustment:
every 32mm

Im sorry, i meant for the other stand from Target.

Yes! Im not the only one! I was going to make a service call! Its right above the sony symbol on the TV. At first I didnt notice it but now it drives me nuts. I only see it on bright solid colors and its crap. Any idea why its like that?

Ah I wish I never noticed it, now I focus on that spot. It's so bad it can make scenes of cartoons blurry. If you end up calling service let us know how it goes.

Im sorry, i meant for the other stand from Target.
My bad; I read your post incorrectly. I went to the Target site again and was able to get this information:

Phase 41" TV Stand - Glossy Black

• Effortlessly Combine Style and Function with this Contemporary TV Stand
• Made of Wood-Composite in Black Laminate Finish
• Features 2 Adjustable Shelves
• Frame Features Tempered Glass Shelves, Cutout for Easy Wire and Cord Management
• Coordinate with Matching Audio Pier (Sold Separately)
• Assembly Required
• Overall Dimensions: 41L x 18.7W x 20.4H"
• Shelf Dimensions: 27.5W x 17D"

Ah I wish I never noticed it, now I focus on that spot. It's so bad it can make scenes of cartoons blurry. If you end up calling service let us know how it goes.
i wish i never noticed mine aswell.. mine doesn't seem to be as bad as you describe..
i only really see it on white backgrounds though.. but i always find myself looking for it :mad:

Today I went to both BestBuy and Circuit City to compare these two sets,
I was hoping to see the 50" KDF E3000 and the 50" KDS A3000 side by side.
Both stores only had a 720 signal and they had both sets were about 8 ft apart, and the E3000 was 50" and the A3000 was 60". So, I was unable to compare apples with apples.
The only thing I could discern was that the A3000 "looked" a little brighter on the whites and I could not tell any difference in detail.
So, I really could not tell any difference due to not being able to compare them under the same conditions.
I have checked out the A3000 thread and there are over 5000 posts, vs the E3000 thread with around 200 posts. So, if you look at #s, there sure are alot of A3000 owners.
Have any of you been able to do a fair direct comparison of the same size sets sitting side by side ?
If so, can you give me your UNBIASED opinion????
I figured if I post this question in the A3000 section they would tell me to just but the A3000.
Your honest opinions appreciated on your preferences. the difference is around $300 for the two same size sets.
Thanks
By the way, I typically only rent DVDS from blockbuster, dont have cable, and only expect to go with antenna signals for my local TV.
Much appreciated
The A3000 is a better set no doubt, it will offer you better black levels and better color and it gives you a brighter picture. Most people that know anything will tell you to get the A3000 the LcoS (liquid crystal on silicon) technology is better than Rear projection LCD. For only $300 more it's a steal.

Oh in white scenes or anything with white background, it's like looking out your screen door on a hot summer night hiding from mosquitos. Screen door was very apparent when I owned this set when looking at a white background. And then the heavy pixelation, occurs alot with any thing moving even slightly fast.

Judging from the guy that posted his service pics, I can tell why we see that spot on the lower portion of the tv. Right at the bottom of the mirror, looks to be a gun/light source and its probably the most brightest there and thats why we see it. Im going to buy a new tv stand that sits 2-4 inches lower and hopefuly I wont notice it so much.

I found moving my couch about 2 feet back so I am around 9 feet from the TV made a big difference in the amount of screen door effect I noticed. Even the dreaded "spot" I only see now if try hard to find it.

Ya I set about 10 feet from mine and I only see the 1 spot. I think its becuase my tv is above eye level so hopefully when I get the new sony stand it will lower it a good 4 inches and I wont see it so bad.

I have no spots or screen door on mine and we sit exactly 10' from the tv which sits on my stand (homemade of maple for roughly $85) at a height of 22.5".

I believe I'll go home and move my couch back an additional foot based on the last two comments!:cool:

Stupidly I misplaced the manual for my 46E-3000.

I can't find it on the Sony website--it says it is not available.

Can anyone point me to where I can find it on the web?

TIA,

JHawk (on the road to the Orange Bowl:D)

Stupidly I misplaced the manual for my 46E-3000.

I can't find it on the Sony website--it says it is not available.

Can anyone point me to where I can find it on the web?

TIA,

JHawk (on the road to the Orange Bowl:D)

Heres the one I used, Does it work for you?
sonystyle.com/wcsstore/SonyStyleStorefrontAssetStore/pdf/KDF50E3000.pdf

so how is gaming on this set? anything that would make or break gaming with a ps3 or 360?

also how bad has overscan been for some of you?

so how is gaming on this set? anything that would make or break gaming with a ps3 or 360?

also how bad has overscan been for some of you?

I have played both the wii and xbox360 on it and loved it. They both look great (obviously xbox360 looks better) and I have not noticed any lag even with guitar hero. I have not noticed any overscan issues at all. Both the wii and xbox were hooked up via their respective brands component cables. The set has an option to set "game mode" on any individual input coming in to the TV.

Heres the one I used, Does it work for you?
sonystyle.com/wcsstore/SonyStyleStorefrontAssetStore/pdf/KDF50E3000.pdf

Five1--

That's it--not sure how I missed it--function of being old I guess.

THANKS for your help!

Hi guys,
I am new owner of KDF46E3000. It was delivered yesterday and I got it up and running last night. It was a replacement for 46" Samsung HLP4663, which crapped out on me after 3 years. So far I am very pleased with this unit. Prices have sure dropped in three years.

Noting complaints by others, I listened closley for noise (with the set muted). I hear a faint fan noise, but nothing to complain about.

BTW, Fry's Online store still shows the KDF46E3000 at $1299.

Jimbo

Stupidly I misplaced the manual for my 46E-3000.

I can't find it on the Sony website--it says it is not available.

Can anyone point me to where I can find it on the web?

TIA,

JHawk (on the road to the Orange Bowl:D)

jhawk, were are you from? I too am going to the orange, bowl, Im from el dorado, (Wichita area)

jhawk, were are you from? I too am going to the orange, bowl, Im from el dorado, (Wichita area)

Hey Phillip ---

I actually live in Lawrence. At the risk of showing my age I was an undergrad at KU when we went to the Orange Bowl ('69)--we're going to win this time:)

thats awesome, its going to be a great time, i cant wait

Guys I've beening reading all the Sony RPTV posts for the last 3 weeks. I would love to get the A3000 series but for same price including the extended warranty, I can get either an A2020 or an E3000 along with a new xbox, upconversion DVD player, and 2 HDMI cables. So what is ultimately better. I can not find any descisive posts on a superior series. My main concern with PQ is for my xbox, then movies, and TV I honestly don't give a **** about. The sharpness goes to the E3000 right? But overall for gaming and movies what set is Superior????????

Guys I've beening reading all the Sony RPTV posts for the last 3 weeks. I would love to get the A3000 series but for same price including the extended warranty, I can get either an A2020 or an E3000 along with a new xbox, upconversion DVD player, and 2 HDMI cables. So what is ultimately better. I can not find any descisive posts on a superior series. My main concern with PQ is for my xbox, then movies, and TV I honestly don't give a **** about. The sharpness goes to the E3000 right? But overall for gaming and movies what set is Superior????????

Assuming the "worst" of the 3 sets still has a great picture, is worth it to you to have the best picture available or to have a great picture and a new XBox, upscaling DVD player and 2 HDMI cables???

Ultimately, the call is up to you and what suits your needs best.

The price difference was about 700 dollars when I bought my tv. So you can see why I didnt get the A3000.

Well I would kinda rather have a great picture and have the new xbox and DVD player. But Between the A2020 and the E3000 are there any significant differences aimed towards games PQ, rather than TV channels. When I watch TV it doesnt matter how good it looks to me. But I want my games to look spectacular. So with that in mind would you go for the 50in E3000 or the 55in A2020? (the 5in makes no diff to me I just want the best PQ)

Well I would kinda rather have a great picture and have the new xbox and DVD player. But Between the A2020 and the E3000 are there any significant differences aimed towards games PQ, rather than TV channels. When I watch TV it doesnt matter how good it looks to me. But I want my games to look spectacular. So with that in mind would you go for the 50in E3000 or the 55in A2020? (the 5in makes no diff to me I just want the best PQ)

I have been very pleased with video game performance on this TV. Looks great and no noticable lag and has a "game mode" for each input that seems to work. I am not sure how much information you will find on this thread reguarding the A2020. You might need to go to the A2020 thread look at the comments people make about game performance and make your own descision. I can say that for the cheaper price I can't imagine you will be dissapointed with this TV.

Well, I watched the Cowboy game yesterday and the picture on my new E3000 was excellent -- almost jaw-dropping. It is definitely as good as I had hoped.

DVD's from blockbuster are awesome too. I haven't tried HDVD and I haven't tried X-box gaming, but there is no reason to expect anything less than great from what I have seen so far..

Does anyone have a DVD player hooked up to a 50E3000 that has progressive scan? When I use the DVD player with this TV and set it to pogressive scan, I feel it looks worse than without it. It changes the signal from 480i to 480p, but I think it loses detail. The DVD player is hooked via component cables. Everything else I have that is standard def (wii and sd cable) looks better at 480p than 480i. My DVD player is the only exception. Any thoughts? :confused:

(I am at work and don't remember the model of the sony DVD player I have or I would include it).

Does anyone have a DVD player hooked up to a 50E3000 that has progressive scan? When I use the DVD player with this TV and set it to pogressive scan, I feel it looks worse than without it. It changes the signal from 480i to 480p, but I think it loses detail. The DVD player is hooked via component cables. Everything else I have that is standard def (wii and sd cable) looks better at 480p than 480i. My DVD player is the only exception. Any thoughts? :confused:

(I am at work and don't remember the model of the sony DVD player I have or I would include it).I have the NS75H (Sony) but it is hooked HDMI and don't see any loss in detail. My D* reciever (H20) I set the resolutions for just 480p instead of 480i cause I think like you the sd looks a lot better. Have you tried your dvd with HDMI?

I have the NS75H (Sony) but it is hooked HDMI and don't see any loss in detail. My D* reciever (H20) I set the resolutions for just 480p instead of 480i cause I think like you the sd looks a lot better. Have you tried your dvd with HDMI?

No, so far I have been too cheap to upgrade the cable because I assumed as a non-upconverting DVD player it was pointless to. I also need to double check and make sure it has an HDMI port.

Ok **** it guys. Im going with this TV next week along with a new xbox, upconversion DVD player and some new speakers all for about 2100 with the HDMI cables. Cant beat price. But as for the DVD player this doesnt upconvert DVDs to 1080p right? I would actually need a upconversion unit to do that right? Im eyeballing the Sony DVPNS77HB and it will utilize the CEC connection. So I do need a new DVD player to get 1080p out of regular disks?

Cuz someone said the TV upcoverts DVDs on its own. But to 1080p???

Cuz someone said the TV upcoverts DVDs on its own. But to 1080p???
I have asked this question many times and in many different places. The manual says that it upconverts 480i signals, but doesn't give the specific output. (I'm guessing that it upscales to 480P.) I've seen posts stating that it automatically upscales everything to 1080P, but I simply can't believe that. It goes against the whole principal of, "garbage in, garbage out." If the TV upscaled everything to 1080P, regular SD broadcasts would look phenomenal...

If I ever find a good explanation of exactly what the set does, I'll be sure to post it here.

It upconverts everything to 1080p. It has to, that is the set's native resolution.

So if the TV supposedly upconverts everything including DVDs to 1080p I can just save a 100 bones on an upconversion DVD player and just play standard DVDs on my xbox through HDMI at 1080p without the HD-DVD player? Why does that sound to good to be true? Anyone actually tried it?

Yeah you can but its not gonna look any better, just because it "upconverts" the signal, it doesnt add any detail to the movie so there really isnt any preformance upgrade. An HD-DVD player is in a completly different world or picture quality and detail.

Does anyone have a DVD player hooked up to a 50E3000 that has progressive scan? When I use the DVD player with this TV and set it to pogressive scan, I feel it looks worse than without it. It changes the signal from 480i to 480p, but I think it loses detail. The DVD player is hooked via component cables. Everything else I have that is standard def (wii and sd cable) looks better at 480p than 480i. My DVD player is the only exception. Any thoughts? :confused:

(I am at work and don't remember the model of the sony DVD player I have or I would include it).

YES!!! I agree 100%! I went between progressive and standard with my Toshiba DVD player on my 50E3000 with a bunch of different films for about 3 and 1/2 hours one night. And the 480i looked better then the 480p. The image is sharper and has more depth when the prog scan is off.

This was not the case when I had an infocus projector. The prog scan looked much better on then off.

But with the Sony TV, as stated before, the picture is better in 480i. I am guessing the upscaling in the Sony TV has something to do with that.

I also hooked up my friends upconvert DVD player with HDMI cable to this TV. The picture did not look any better in 1080p then it did with my Toshiba in 480i. And I have a pretty good eye for this sort of stuff.

Hi all,

Got our KDF-50E3000 home yesterday, it was a replacement for a Samsung HLT-5075S. Put in the THX from Star Wars and dialed her in, looks great and is a lot better than the 720i Samsung picture.

Thanks for all the great info. We have a Sony KDS=60A2000 in the living room and really like that one also.

Thumper