I think that Curt Palme must now be a believer in upgraded power cords. Otherwise, why would he be selling an Oppo DVD player with SDI that includes upgrading the DVD player to have a three prong IEC power connection AND
a power cord to go with, instead of the stock power cord.

http://www.curtpalme.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5449

I still can't believe it.

By the way, Curt, great product that SDI modded Oppo there.

Yet another website viewer that can't read..;)

I'm not selling anything like that, which is why it's called a THIRD PARTY PRODUCT. MY site is being used to market it, I've never seen any of the third party products with the exception of the MP mods and Joust's lens adapters.

Oh and BTW, it's Curt. Not Curte. Once in a while in the heat of passion, I've been called Curty. But never by a man.

If I get a power cord sample in, I'll let you know. If it enhances the picture in any way or increases my virility, I'll be sure to let you know..:D

Yet another website viewer that can't read..;)

I'm not selling anything like that, which is why it's called a THIRD PARTY PRODUCT. MY site is being used to market it, I've never seen any of the third party products with the exception of the MP mods and Joust's lens adapters.

Oh and BTW, it's Curt. Not Curte. Once in a while in the heat of passion, I've been called Curty. But never by a man.

If I get a power cord sample in, I'll let you know. If it enhances the picture in any way or increases my virility, I'll be sure to let you know..:D

Gobblygook. You sent an e-mail out to lots of us marketing the product. HA!

Since you'll sell better power cords as third party products, I'll e-mail all of the better power cord companies to contact you. COOL! :eek:

Oh and BTW, it's Curt. Not Curte. Once in a while in the heat of passion, I've been called Curty. But never by a man.


So what have you been called by a man in the heat of passion? :D

What are some of your favorite terms, Steve? :D

What are some of your favorite terms, Steve? :D

"Chui Gui". You should talk. Just pronounce your name. "Chui Girl" would be more appropriate if you liked females. HA!!

Uh, Steve, I got (rightly) raked over the coals by an AVS lurker over jokes like that. You need to chill.

If Chu will chill I will chill.

Steve, you are acting like a toddler, on this thread and about the last 2-3 you started. You do this every few weeks---start a string of smart-ass threads---and it's flat-out idiotic. You've got no standing whatsoever to demand that people "behave" when you pull crap like this.

Steve, you are acting like a toddler, on this thread and about the last 2-3 you started. You do this every few weeks---start a string of smart-ass threads---and it's flat-out idiotic. You've got no standing whatsoever to demand that people "behave" when you pull crap like this.

Chill out Michael. I didn't start the innuendo. Curte - WOOPS - sorry, its Curt, did, all over mispelling. Then Chu chimed in. Michael, how come you criticize me, but not them, for their innuendo?

Its ok if someone else starts a power cord thread here. But if I do, Michael, you are all over me.

You guys didn't even get it.

My bet is that the Oppo DVD player is modded to that it will take a heavier guage power cord so that the SDI mod, plus DVD player, get the proper current. What do you think?

Steve, please go back and read my first post here. I got strongly criticized by an AVS reader who was genuinely hurt by a joke I made along the same lines you did. The reason I didn't jump on Curt and Chu Gai was because, well, they didn't make the same joke.

It's only when you responded with the infantile "I'll stop if he stops" that I got angry---and yet what I said is true.

Steve, please go back and read my first post here. I got strongly criticized by an AVS reader who was genuinely hurt by a joke I made along the same lines you did. The reason I didn't jump on Curt and Chu Gai was because, well, they didn't make the same joke.

It's only when you responded with the infantile "I'll stop if he stops" that I got angry---and yet what I said is true.

My "I'll stop if he stops" was a joke. I had no intention of carrying on that joke any further. In retrospect, Michael, you are correct. Chu, I apologize. Although you always jump in your chimes on tweaks and power cords, you did not make sexual innuendo (Curt did). So I shouldn't have started in on you like that, and the matter is stopped here.

S'OK Steve. Were we all in a bar together, reading each other's facial expressions and body language, we just would've laughed. From my point of view, it was all in humor. A while back I heard Dennis Miller say something that made a lot of sense. My paraphrasing of it is, "The problem isn't the color of our skin but the thinness of it." I think we can all roll with the punches a bit. BTW, got any lawyer contacts in the Indianapolis area? I've got a female friend who is getting raked over in a divorce settlement by her ex.

Chu, I don't know any attorneys in Indiana. Try asking Nick Satullo, who practices law nearby in Ohio (he posts here at the $20K and Up, too).

Adding proper grounding to an un-grounded design can, sometimes, improve the electrical properties of that design. If the stock cord was without ground, and the mod adds it, there's some chance it'll behave better under certain circumstances. Then again, it might not.

Good point, but then that's due to grounding itself, and not due to the power cord. You could add a completely separate ground to said system outside of the power cord and achieve the same results.

Steve, BTW, it's a good thing I was a major nerd in high school to take all of your ribbing. Luckily I'm used to it. Otherwise I'd be running to my mommy...;)

Good point, but then that's due to grounding itself, and not due to the power cord. You could add a completely separate ground to said system outside of the power cord and achieve the same results.

Steve, BTW, it's a good thing I was a major nerd in high school to take all of your ribbing. Luckily I'm used to it. Otherwise I'd be running to my mommy...;)

You never rib me, do ya??????

You are still a major nerd. In a very good way, though.

I would suspect that the grounding is appropriate to achieve the best video on the SDI mod to that Oppo DVD player.

Well a floating video line hot signal without sheilding/grounding would look pretty bad indeed..;)

Keep in mind that this former 90 lb weakling/nerd has been lifting 200+lb 9" projectors, so I've turned into a 43 y.o. 200+ lb guy with one hell of a sugar gut. (hey, I had to drink SOMETHING while spending countless hours on the bench, right? Pop did the trick for me).

(hey, I had to drink SOMETHING while spending countless hours on the bench, right? Pop did the trick for me).

Curt.
Americans won't have a clue what your talking about when you say Pop.
Remember, down there they say "Soda". :D

Heavens no. In some of the NE states like NH and RI, I distinctly remember 'pop' being used. Now, does anyone remember the term 'grinders' for what some call subs or hoagies?

http://popvssoda.com:2998/

That is one of the funniest things i have seen in a while.

Have you started saying coke no matter what you want Michael?

I'm a "soda" guy, actually---and have been even though most of my formative years were spent in the "coke" states.

I've taught my daughter "soda", though actually at first I called it "fizzy juice" to tie it to what she already knows... I don't see that term on there anywhere :)

Now, as for beer, I taught her the correct term for that from day 1. I mean, some things you just can't fake. She hasn't yet questioned why I drink it and not her.

I'm a "soda" guy, actually---and have been even though most of my formative years were spent in the "coke" states.

I've taught my daughter "soda", though actually at first I called it "fizzy juice" to tie it to what she already knows... I don't see that term on there anywhere :)

Now, as for beer, I taught her the correct term for that from day 1. I mean, some things you just can't fake. She hasn't yet questioned why I drink it and not her.

I thought that in Texas the only thing they have is Big Red.

That swill? Strictly Diet Dr. Pepper, baby!

EDIT: I just remembered, my paternal grandparents use the term "cold drink" for soda/pop/coke...

Well a floating video line hot signal without sheilding/grounding would look pretty bad indeed..;)

Keep in mind that this former 90 lb weakling/nerd has been lifting 200+lb 9" projectors, so I've turned into a 43 y.o. 200+ lb guy with one hell of a sugar gut. (hey, I had to drink SOMETHING while spending countless hours on the bench, right? Pop did the trick for me).

Us USers do too say "POP" for soda. You know the phrase "Pop goes the Weasel".
The Weasel is Curt before he drank all the pop - he ain't no weasel no more, weasels don't way 200 pounds!!! Curt's heavier than my power cords!

The Weasel is Curt before he drank all the pop - he ain't no weasel no more, weasels don't way 200 pounds!!! Curt's heavier than my power cords!

Weigh? Way? Dude, that's way bad spelling! :p

Heavens no. In some of the NE states like NH and RI, I distinctly remember 'pop' being used. Now, does anyone remember the term 'grinders' for what some call subs or hoagies?

I've seen 'grinders' in Wa. state. I had to ask the Wa. based g/f what they were... :rolleyes:

But what about a double-double animal style????

But what about a double-double animal style????

Thats getting WAY far afield from a little POP. If you keep it up, the Moderator will have to POP you.

QUESTION: After the last Sopranos show was done, did Tony get his "POP"?
(Did he get popped?)

you didnt watch?

But what about a double-double animal style????


That would be called a 'Ken Pinyon' a la Enumclaw Wa. style, and he ended up with a popped (perforated) colon and died as a result. A Seattle radio station has a T shirt out about it, I bought two with pride.. :eek: :D

Dizz, you're making me homesick.

You know Curt, there are things in life that one should not mention even in passing. lest it intruiges others to go googling to try to find out what you are taking about!

I wish i could erase that web search from my memory

I'm a "soda" guy, actually---and have been even though most of my formative years were spent in the "coke" states.

I've taught my daughter "soda", though actually at first I called it "fizzy juice" to tie it to what she already knows... I don't see that term on there anywhere :)


Your beautiful daughter is too good for Fizzy juice. 12 teaspoons of sugar per 8 ounces of soda if I remember correctly. About the unhealthiest drink one could drink and the cause of all kinds of sickness and serious illness. Please re-think the fizzy juice for you as well as your family. :o

You could tell me to stuff it and I would understand. Honestly just trying to help. :)

I'd consider telling you to stuff it, yes... but she doesn't drink soda, I do. And diet at that :) But she still needed a name for the stuff I drink... As for the sugar: well, I drink diet...

Dizz, the Seattle radio station I listen to still pokes (pun intended) at that guy.

And for Steve, since I know he'll read this now that the thread has been bumped:

These are from a book called Disorder in the American Courts, and are things people actually said in court, word for word, taken down and now published by court reporters who had the torment of staying calm while these exchanges were actually taking place.


ATTORNEY: Are you sexually active?

WITNESS: No, I just lie there.

____________________________________________________________ ________

ATTORNEY: What gear were you in at the moment of the impact?

WITNESS: Gucci sweats and Reeboks.

______________________________________

ATTORNEY: This myasthenia gravis, does it affect your memory at all?

WITNESS: Yes.

ATTORNEY: And in what ways does it affect your memory?

WITNESS: I forget.

ATTORNEY: You forget? Can you give us an example of something you forgot?

_____________________________________

ATTORNEY: What was the first thing your husband said to you that morning?

WITNESS: He said, "Where am I, Cathy?"

ATTORNEY: And why did that upset you?

WITNESS: My name is Susan!

______________________________________

ATTORNEY: Do you know if your daughter has ever been involved in voodoo?

WITNESS: We both do.

ATTORNEY: Voodoo?

WITNESS: We do.

ATTORNEY: You do?

WITNESS: Yes, voodoo.

______________________________________

ATTORNEY: Now doctor, isn't it true that when a person dies in his sleep, he doesn't know about it until the next morning?

WITNESS: Did you actually pass the bar exam?

____________________________________

ATTORNEY: The youngest son, the twenty-year-old, how old is he?

WITNESS: Uh, he's twenty-one.

________________________________________

ATTORNEY: Were you present when your picture was taken?

WITNESS: Are you shitt'in me?

______________________________________

ATTORNEY: So the date of conception (of the baby) was August 8th?

WITNESS: Yes.

ATTORNEY: And what were you doing at that time?

WITNESS: Uh.... I was gett'in laid!

______________________________________

ATTORNEY: She had three children, right?

WITNESS: Yes.

ATTORNEY: How many were boys?

WITNESS: None.

ATTORNEY: Were there any girls?

WITNESS: Are you shitt'in me? Your Honor, I think I need a different attorney. Can I get a new attorney?

______________________________________

ATTORNEY: How was your first marriage terminated?

WITNESS: By death.

ATTORNEY: And by whose death was it terminated?

WITNESS: Now whose death do you suppose terminated it?

______________________________________

ATTORNEY: Can you describe the individual?

WITNESS: He was about medium height and had a beard.

ATTORNEY: Was this a male or a female?

WITNESS: Guess.

_____________________________________

ATTORNEY: Is your appearance here this morning pursuant to a deposition

notice which I sent to your attorney?

WITNESS: No, this is how I dress when I go to work.

______________________________________

ATTORNEY: Doctor, how many of your autopsies have you performed on dead people?

WITNESS: All my autopsies are performed on dead people. Would you like to rephrase that?

______________________________________

ATTORNEY: ALL your responses MUST be oral, OK? What school did you go to?

WITNESS: Oral.

______________________________________

ATTORNEY: Do you recall the time that you examined the body?

WITNESS: The autopsy started around 8:30 p.m.

ATTORNEY: And Mr. Denton was dead at the time?

WITNESS: No, he was sitting on the table wondering why I was doing an autopsy on him!

____________________________________________

ATTORNEY: Are you qualified to give a urine sample?

WITNESS: Huh....are you qualified to ask that question?

______________________________________

And the best for last:

ATTORNEY: Doctor, before you performed the autopsy, did you check for a pulse?

WITNESS: No.

ATTORNEY: Did you check for blood pressure?

WITNESS: No.

ATTORNEY: Did you check for breathing?

WITNESS: No.

ATTORNEY: So, then it is possible that the patient was alive when you began the autopsy?

WITNESS: No.

ATTORNEY: How can you be so sure, Doctor?

WITNESS: Because his brain was sitting on my desk in a jar.

ATTORNEY: I see, but could the patient have still been alive, nevertheless?

WITNESS: Yes, it is possible that he could have been alive and practicing law.

Those were great Curt...hope no one minds if I add a couple of lawyer jokes :D

An old preacher was dying. He sent a message for his doctor and his lawyer, both church members, to come to his home. When they arrived, they were ushered up to his bedroom. As they entered the room the preacher held out his hands and motioned for them to sit, one on each side of his bed. The preacher grasped their hands, sighed contentedly, smiled and stared at the ceiling.

For a time, no one said anything. Both the doctor and lawyer were touched and flattered that the preacher would ask them to be with him during his final moments. They were also puzzled - the preacher had never given them any indication that he particularly liked either of them. They both remembered his many long, uncomfortable sermons about greed, covetousness and avaricious behaviour that made them squirm in their seats.

Finally, the doctor said, "Preacher, why did you ask us to come?" The old preacher mustered up his strength, then said weakly, "Jesus died between two thieves; and that's how I want to go."

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A big-city, California, lawyer went duck hunting in rural Texas. He shot a bird, but it fell into a farmer's field on the other side of a fence. As the lawyer climbed over the fence, an elderly farmer drove up on his tractor and asked him what he was doing.

The litigator responded, "I shot a duck and it fell into this field, and I'm going to retrieve it." The old farmer replied, "This is my property, and you are not coming over here." The indignant lawyer said, "I am one of the best trial attorneys in the U.S. and, if you don't let me get that duck, I'll sue you and take everything you own."

The old farmer smiled and said, "Apparently, you don't know how we do things in Texas. We settle small disagreements like this with the Texas Three-Kick Rule." The lawyer asked, "What is the Texas Three-Kick Rule?" The farmer replied, "Well, first I kick you three times and then you kick me three times, and so on, back and forth, until someone gives up."

The attorney quickly thought about the proposed contest and decided that he could easily take the old codger so he agreed to abide by the local custom.

The old farmer slowly climbed down from the tractor and walked up to the city feller. His first kick hit the lawyer's groin and dropped him to his knees. His second kick nearly wiped the man's nose off his face. The barrister was flat on his belly when the farmer's third kick to a kidney nearly caused him to give up.

The lawyer summoned every bit of his will and managed to get to his feet and said, "Okay, you old coot! Now, it's my turn!" The old farmer grinned and said, "Naw, I give up. You can have the duck!"

I'd consider telling you to stuff it, yes... but she doesn't drink soda, I do. And diet at that :) But she still needed a name for the stuff I drink... As for the sugar: well, I drink diet... Gee, I wish you hadn't said that because I was going to shut the hell up and move on but my conscience will not allow me to do that.
Diet soda is MUCH WORSE than regular Soda. Saccharin, aspartame, sucralose, all of them are poison. Aspartame for example caused brain tumors in rats and was refused FDA approval for over a decade based on these results.. It was none other than Donald rumsfeld who was at the time Chairman of Searle (Drug Co) who finally used his clout with the Reagan administration to get it approved.

Sorry, I really am and I wont say another word about this. I just can't help myself when I think of the poisons that are sold to our children and the bastards behind it.

OK then, Now I'm going to go out and get a new power cord. :D

If they're poison and that results in lower life expectancies, that's good. It means we have a lower carbon footprint and that's good for Al Gore and his global warming concerns.

If they're poison and that results in lower life expectancies, that's good. It means we have a lower carbon footprint and that's good for Al Gore and his global warming concerns.I've read enough about global warming to be convinced that it's total and complete nonsense.

Too much diet pop causes some folks to fart lawyer jokes endlessly.

No diet pop here old man. Pure sugar. My gut can attest to that! :D

Now, as for beer, I taught her the correct term for that from day 1. I mean, some things you just can't fake. She hasn't yet questioned why I drink it and not her.

I think the greatest moment in a father's life is when your little girl knows the difference between beer and soda, knows when you need which and brings it to at just the right time. At least, that's what my brother says. After a long day of plastering walls with my brother, my 3-year old niece drags me a beer and says "Unca John beer!" and that was a great day indeed :)

As far as pop vs soda, I remember thinking, growing up, that "soda", was such a pompous, high society name for pop, it took me years to feel comfortable saying it :eek:

Peterpanski: take a breather, man! If I drank as much saccharin as those lab rats did (by weight) I sure as hell would expect to get cancer, too. You could go cold turkey vegan macrobiotic organic and still consume a dictionary full of natural carcinogens. But they're not going to kill you either, and neither are my Diet Dr. Peppers.

If they're poison and that results in lower life expectancies, that's good. It means we have a lower carbon footprint and that's good for Al Gore and his global warming concerns.

He might even be able to add another wing to his mansion by buying nutrasweet offsets :)

Well, we do know for a fact that he doesn't drink diet soda, at least ;)

Curt

ROTFLMAO!!! Great jokes and I am ordering this book today!! But Man!! The ability of people on this forum to go OT is unmatched...

If you folks would drink water, not pop or even diet pop, then you oculd save lotsa $$ and buy components with upgraded and better power cords from Curt!!!@@@ Quit farting your $$$ away.

Peterpanski: take a breather, man! If I drank as much saccharin as those lab rats did (by weight) I sure as hell would expect to get cancer, too. . Ahh I see. you know something that the FDA doesn't. It was bogus testing methods that caused the results. In the case of Aspartame the Manufactures own scientists conducted the research which showed that rats develop holes in the brain. The results were confirmed by independent tests as well.

You could go cold turkey vegan macrobiotic organic and still consume a dictionary full of natural carcinogens. But they're not going to kill you either, and neither are my Diet Dr. Peppers. Wow I don't understand your logic here. Unfortunately people like Dr. Robert Condon, Dr. Satya Dubey, and Dr. Douglas Park, All scientists for the FDA at time disagree with you but what do a bunch of doctors know? ;)

Anywho, keep drinking that Diet Fizzy liquid and keep up on your health insurance payments. ;) :D

I'll just add this. Denis Leary had a standup bit about smoking, how it knocks 10 years off your life.

"Who wants to be around for the last 10 years of your life anyways? You sit in an old age home, barely able to breathe and walk. Kill me 10 years earlier, it's no big deal"

or something like that..:)

Ahh I see. you know something that the FDA doesn't. It was bogus testing methods that caused the results. In the case of Aspartame the Manufactures own scientists conducted the research which showed that rats develop holes in the brain. The results were confirmed by independent tests as well.

Wow I don't understand your logic here. Unfortunately people like Dr. Robert Condon, Dr. Satya Dubey, and Dr. Douglas Park, All scientists for the FDA at time disagree with you but what do a bunch of doctors know? ;)

Anywho, keep drinking that Diet Fizzy liquid and keep up on your health insurance payments. ;) :D
Aren't we all dead in the end anyway?

Aren't we all dead in the end anyway? :confused: It's about preventing premature death and living healthy so that we may enjoy are short time here. The vast majority of premature death and illness is caused by the foods we eat and the pharmaceuticals we take.

I think by letting Michael Grant know that the FDA would not approve the poison in the diet he drinks (for over 20 years) He would appreciate the information instead of arguing the issue. Guess I was wrong.

Anywho, Lets talk about powercords. That's much more important :D

The holes in rats brains was bogus work. Search 'aspartame and junkscience'. People are drinking more and rates of things like brain cancer haven't increased proportionally. Michael Grant's biggest problems will come as the father of a daughter not what he drinks :D

Michael Grant's biggest problems will come as the father of a daughter not what he drinks :DYea, and paying for that expensive wedding-like my daughter in September. :D

The holes in rats brains was bogus work. :confused: :rolleyes: Bogus work? The "bogus" work to which you refer came from the MANUFACTUERS Scientists. The conclusions about holes in the brain came from the people WHO MAKE THE SWEETENER. It was substantiated further by independent tests. No less then three researchers, One independent, one working for the manufacture and another for the FDA all concluded the same thing. Please don't do a single Google search and pretend you know what you are talking about.

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December 1965-- While working on an ulcer drug, James Schlatter, a chemist at G.D. Searle, accidentally discovers aspartame, a substance that is 180 times sweeter than sugar yet has no calories.

Spring 1967-- Searle begins the safety tests on aspartame that are necessary for applying for FDA approval of food additives.

Fall 1967-- Dr. Harold Waisman, a biochemist at the University of Wisconsin, conducts aspartame safety tests on infant monkeys on behalf of the Searle Company. Of the seven monkeys that were being fed aspartame mixed with milk, one dies and five others have grand mal seizures.

November 1970-- Cyclamate, the reigning low-calorie artificial sweetener -- is pulled off the market after some scientists associate it with cancer. Questions are also raised about safety of saccharin, the only other artificial sweetener on the market, leaving the field wide open for aspartame.

December 18, 1970-- Searle Company executives lay out a "Food and Drug Sweetener Strategy' that they feel will put the FDA into a positive frame of mind about aspartame. An internal policy memo describes psychological tactics the company should use to bring the FDA into a subconscious spirit of participation" with them on aspartame and get FDA regulators into the "habit of saying, "Yes"."

Spring 1971-- Neuroscientist Dr. John Olney (whose pioneering work with monosodium glutamate was responsible for having it removed from baby foods) informs Searle that his studies show that aspartic acid (one of the ingredients of aspartame) caused holes in the brains of infant mice. One of Searle's own researchers confirmed Dr. Olney's findings in a similar study.

February 1973-- After spending tens of millions of dollars conducting safety tests, the G.D. Searle Company applies for FDA approval and submits over 100 studies they claim support aspartame's safety.

March 5, 1973-- One of the first FDA scientists to review the aspartame safety data states that "the information provided (by Searle) is inadequate to permit an evaluation of the potential toxicity of aspartame". She says in her report that in order to be certain that aspartame is safe, further clinical tests are needed.

May 1974-- Attorney, Jim Turner (consumer advocate who was instrumental in getting cyclamate taken off the market) meets with Searle representatives to discuss Dr. Olney's 1971 study which showed that aspartic acid caused holes in the brains of infant mice.

July 26, 1974-- The FDA grants aspartame its first approval for restricted use in dry foods.

August 1974-- Jim Turner and Dr. John Olney file the first objections against aspartame's approval.

March 24, 1976-- Turner and Olney's petition triggers an FDA investigation of the laboratory practices of aspartame's manufacturer, G.D. Searle. The investigation finds Searle's testing procedures shoddy, full of inaccuracies and "manipulated" test data. The investigators report they "had never seen anything as bad as Searle's testing."

January 10, 1977-- The FDA formally requests the U.S. Attorney's office to begin grand jury proceedings to investigate whether indictments should be filed against Searle for knowingly misrepresenting findings and "concealing material facts and making false statements" in aspartame safety tests. This is the first time in the FDA's history that they request a criminal investigation of a manufacturer.

January 26, 1977-- While the grand jury probe is underway, Sidley & Austin, the law firm representing Searle, begins job negotiations with the U.S. Attorney in charge of the investigation, Samuel Skinner.

March 8, 1977-- G. D. Searle hires prominent Washington insider Donald Rumsfeld as the new CEO to try to turn the beleaguered company around. A former Member of Congress and Secretary of Defense in the Ford Administration, Rumsfeld brings in several of his Washington cronies as top management.

July 1, 1977-- Samuel Skinner leaves the U.S. Attorney's office and takes a job with Searle's law firm. (see Jan. 26th)

August 1, 1977-- The Bressler Report, compiled by FDA investigators and headed by Jerome Bressler, is released. The report finds that 98 of the 196 animals died during one of Searle's studies and weren't autopsied until later dates, in some cases over one year after death. Many other errors and inconsistencies are noted. For example, a rat was reported alive, then dead, then alive, then dead again; a mass, a uterine polyp, and ovarian neoplasms were found in animals but not reported or diagnosed in Searle's reports.

December 8, 1977-- U.S. Attorney Skinner's withdrawal and resignation stalls the Searle grand jury investigation for so long that the statue of limitations on the aspartame charges runs out. The grand jury investigation is dropped.

June 1, 1979-- The FDA established a Public Board of Inquiry (PBOI) to rule on safety issues surrounding NutraSweet.

September 30, 1980-- The Public Board of Inquiry concludes NutraSweet should not be approved pending further investigations of brain tumors in animals. The board states it "has not been presented with proof of reasonable certainty that aspartame is safe for use as a food additive."

January 1981-- Donald Rumsfeld, CEO of Searle, states in a sales meeting that he is going to make a big push to get aspartame approved within the year. Rumsfeld says he will use his political pull in Washington, rather than scientific means, to make sure it gets approved.

January 21, 1981-- Ronald Reagan is sworn in as President of the United States. Reagan's transition team, which includes Donald Rumsfeld, CEO of G. D. Searle, hand picks Dr. Arthur Hull Hayes Jr. to be the new FDA Commissioner.

March, 1981-- An FDA commissioner's panel is established to review issues raised by the Public Board of Inquiry.

May 19, 1981-- Three of six in-house FDA scientists who were responsible for reviewing the brain tumor issues, Dr. Robert Condon, Dr. Satya Dubey, and Dr. Douglas Park, advise against approval of NutraSweet, stating on the record that the Searle tests are unreliable and not adequate to determine the safety of aspartame.

July 15, 1981-- In one of his first official acts, Dr. Arthur Hayes Jr., the new FDA commissioner, overrules the Public Board of Inquiry, ignores the recommendations of his own internal FDA team and approves NutraSweet for dry products. Hayes says that aspartame has been shown to be safe for its' proposed uses and says few compounds have withstood such detailed testing and repeated close scrutiny.

October 15, 1982-- The FDA announces that Searle has filed a petition that aspartame be approved as a sweetener in carbonated beverages and other liquids.

July 1, 1983-- The National Soft Drink Association (NSDA) urges the FDA to delay approval of aspartame for carbonated beverages pending further testing because aspartame is very unstable in liquid form. When liquid aspartame is stored in temperatures above 85 degrees Fahrenheit, it breaks down into DKP and formaldehyde, both of which are known toxins.

July 8, 1983-- The National Soft Drink Association drafts an objection to the final ruling which permits the use of aspartame in carbonated beverages and syrup bases and requests a hearing on the objections. The association says that Searle has not provided responsible certainty that aspartame and its' degradation products are safe for use in soft drinks.

August 8, 1983-- Consumer Attorney, Jim Turner of the Community Nutrition Institute and Dr. Woodrow Monte, Arizona State University's Director of Food Science and Nutritional Laboratories, file suit with the FDA objecting to aspartame approval based on unresolved safety issues.

September, 1983-- FDA Commissioner Hayes resigns under a cloud of controversy about his taking unauthorized rides aboard a General Foods jet. (General foods is a major customer of NutraSweet) Burson-Marsteller, Searle's public relation firm (which also represented several of NutraSweet's major users), immediately hires Hayes as senior scientific consultant.

Fall 1983-- The first carbonated beverages containing aspartame are sold for public consumption.

November 1984-- Center for Disease Control (CDC) "Evaluation of consumer complaints related to aspartame use." (summary by B. Mullarkey)

November 3, 1987-- U.S. hearing, "NutraSweet: Health and Safety Concerns," Committee on Labor and Human Resources, Senator Howard Metzenbaum, chairman.

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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aspartameNM/message/857 RTM: www.dorway.com: original documents and long reviews of flaws in aspartame toxicity research 7.31.2 rmforall

http://www.dorway.com/upipart1.txt UPI reporter Gregory Gordon: 96K 3-part expose Oct 1987

"Survey of aspartame studies: correlation of outcome and funding sources," 1998, unpublished: http://www.dorway.com/peerrev.html Walton found 166 separate published studies in the peer reviewed medical literature, which had relevance for questions of human safety. The 74 studies funded by industry all (100%) attested to aspartame's safety, whereas of the 92 non-industry funded studies, 84 (91%) identified a problem. Six of the seven non-industry funded studies that were favorable to aspartame safety were from the FDA, which has a public record that shows a strong pro-industry bias. Ralph G. Walton, MD, Prof. of Clinical Psychology, Northeastern Ohio Universities, College of Medicine, Dept. of Psychiatry, Youngstown, OH 44501, Chairman, The Center for Behavioral Medicine, Northside Medical Center, 500 Gypsy Lane, P.O. Box 240 Youngstown, OH 44501 330-740-3621 rwalton193@aol.com

http://www.neoucom.edu/DEPTS/Psychiatry/walton.htm

People are drinking more and rates of things like brain cancer haven't increased proportionally. What? I can't believe you just said that. 30 years ago ONE in THREE THOUSAND people developed cancer. In 2007 the figure is over ONE in THREE!!!! Cancer hasn't increased proportionally?

And my girlfriend's father died slowly and painfully from diabetes and he never drank a diet soda in his life time. Lots of natural fats and sugar though, I'm sure.

Thanks to people like you, I *still* can't find Olestra cooking oil which got junk scienced into obscurity. "Some people who eat a whole bag of Olestra potato chips get a tummy ache". No shite! Some people who eat a whole bag of *any* potato chips get a tummy ache!

You need to substantiate your data better which is something researchers fail to do and people seize upon. For starters, the ability to detect cancer has drastically improved. In many ways, it's like saying the US has a high infant mortality rate compared to other countries without saying that medical technology in the US is such that we're able to successfully birth babies at earlier periods than other countries. In other countries, the babies die in the womb and hence are not considered born. Here, they can be born and given a fighting chance. Frankly, I rather wish I could buy drinks sweetened with cyclamates. I just remember it tasting oh so good. Go hug a tree.

And my girlfriend's father died slowly and painfully from diabetes and he never drank a diet soda in his life time. Lots of natural fats and sugar though, I'm sure.

Thanks to people like you, I *still* can't find Olestra cooking oil which got junk scienced into obscurity. "Some people who eat a whole bag of Olestra potato chips get a tummy ache". No shite! Some people who eat a whole bag of *any* potato chips get a tummy ache! I hate when God wastes a perfectly good brain on someone who can't use it. :rolleyes:

My Father died of cancer and never drink Soda either. What's your point? Plenty of smokers don't die of lung cancer. I guess in your mind that means smoking does not contribute to lung cancer? Lets take that thought process one step further. I know a few big tall black guys who are not in the NBA. I guess this is proof that black guys are not good basketball players.

Go hug a tree. Go drink a diet coke or 10.

I hate when God wastes a perfectly good brain on someone who can't use it. :rolleyes:

My Father died of cancer and never drink Soda either. What's your point? Plenty of smokers don't die of lung cancer. I guess in your mind that means smoking does not contribute to lung cancer? Lets take that thought process one step further. I know a few big tall black guys who are not in the NBA. I guess this is proof that black guys make good ball players is a myth.

And I hate when one person misuses his brain to construe one point rather than the intended one.

And I hate when one person misuses his brain to construe one point rather than the intended one. I've given you ample opportunity to show that you are something other than an idiot and you've failed miserably. BYE! :)

Don't let your internet connection hit you in the ass!

30 years ago ONE in THREE THOUSAND people developed cancer. In 2007 the figure is over ONE in THREE!!!!
I don't know if cancer has or has not increased over the last 30 years, but the above statistic is ABSURD.

I think Peterpanski has been hanging out a little too long on Captn. Hook's ship. Frankly, I think I need another Diet Soda (or Pop) (or Fizzy). Wait a minute, how about a good tall glass of beer. :)

I don't know if cancer has or has not increased over the last 30 years, but the above statistic is ABSURD. You just said " I don't know" and then call the statistic absurd. How can you have a valid opinion if you just admitted you DON'T KNOW? Answer. You can't!

I think Peterpanski has been hanging out a little too long on Captn. Hook's ship. Frankly, I think I need another Diet Soda (or Pop) (or Fizzy). Wait a minute, how about a good tall glass of beer. :)
You can have all the soda you like, I'll take the beer and be much healthier for it. ;)

another thread that has gone way off topic :(

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