Eventually Sony will stop implementing the emotion engine in the PS3, so instead of having its own engine for PS1/PS2 games, it will instead use emulation. Thats horrible news to me....I wanted to buy a PS3 a few months in the future, but I DONT want emulated PS1/PS2 games....

Is this rumor true?

If so, when will Sony begin selling emotionless [ :D ] PS3's?

Europe already has emulation. No word on US and Japan as of yet.

If the software is powerful enough to emulate, what's the big deal?

If the software is powerful enough to emulate, what's the big deal?

Limited compatibility, you'll only be able to play games Sony takes the time to update the software to emulate, like the 360.

If they can match the compatibility percentage that they have now and the difference is unnoticeable, then that would be okay. However, I am sure there will be tons of problems. I say leave it as is.

Eventually Sony will stop implementing the emotion engine in the PS3, so instead of having its own engine for PS1/PS2 games, it will instead use emulation. Thats horrible news to me....I wanted to buy a PS3 a few months in the future, but I DONT want emulated PS1/PS2 games....

Is this rumor true?

If so, when will Sony begin selling emotionless [ :D ] PS3's?

Sony has made no secret about eliminating the emotion engine chipset in the future as a money-saving manufacturing move.

If the feeling is the same, I couldn't care less

I could careless myself, People that feel this way should get out there and buy a PS3 now.

If the PS3 actually had alot of games people wanna play, they wouldn't give a **** about ps2 games anymore...


who wants to play madden 06 for ps2, when you can play the newer version for PS3. and so forth.

I know money is an issue of buying new games. But then why buy a ps3 to play ps2. I never understood that. people always complain cause older system games don't work or whatnot.

If im gonna buy a PS3 for like 600... im not playing ps2 games on it period. if that's the case i wouldn't of upgraded in the first place.

Rob423 thats the most intelligent post ive read all morning. At least the PS3 has more compatibility then that other console, which people seem to forget.

Limited compatibility, you'll only be able to play games Sony takes the time to update the software to emulate, like the 360.

Sure it borrows similar emulation like the 360, however SONY managed to have a much greater compatability list on the PS3.

Also, the emotion less PS3's will be cheaper to manafacture.

My current launch PS3 has the original PS1 R3000MIPS , PS2 EE+GS, and the PS3 chipset on board.

no worries, europe has reported that the number of uncompatible titles is only slightly bigger then the hardware versions

This shouldn't affect that many people. Most popular PS2 games will work with the emulation just the same if not better...

Hopefully by the time this happens, Sony will have learned enough through their experiences in PAL regions to provide a quality (in quantity) level of support for the other markets.

If the PS3 actually had alot of games people wanna play, they wouldn't give a **** about ps2 games anymore...


who wants to play madden 06 for ps2, when you can play the newer version for PS3. and so forth.

I know money is an issue of buying new games. But then why buy a ps3 to play ps2. I never understood that. people always complain cause older system games don't work or whatnot.

If im gonna buy a PS3 for like 600... im not playing ps2 games on it period. if that's the case i wouldn't of upgraded in the first place.

1. No one wants to play their PS2 version of Madden 06 on the PS3. They want to play Grand Theft Auto: 3, Vice City, Vice City Stories, Liberty City Stories, and San Andreas, God of War 1 & 2, Manhunt, Mortal Kombat: Deadly Alliance, Decepetion, and Armageddon, etc.

2. The reason people want to play PS2 games on a PS3 is because of this: most people are upgrading to HDTV's now and want to play their PS2 games on their HDTV. However about 90% of PS2 games are 480i, and 90% of HDTV's lag with 480i material. Additionally, the PS2 can only output 480p if (a.) you are using component cables, (b.) if you have a slimline PS2, and (c.) if the game supports 480p output. The difference with this and the PS3 is that even if the PS2 game is not native 480p, the PS3 will still upconvert it for you and thus no lag on your HDTV. Also, I believe with the recent firmware update the PS3 will upconvert PS1/PS2 games to HD resolutions, am I correct?


By the way, to clear up any confusion, I believe a couple of the latest versions of the PS2 (besides slimline) are capable of 480p, but they are not readily available anymore, so thats why I said you must have a slimline to output 480p.

Also the first PS2 and the next several versions following were capable of 480p only for DVD playback.

This shouldn't affect that many people. Most popular PS2 games will work with the emulation just the same if not better...I dont see that as being true.

Additionally, the PS2 can only output 480p if (a.) you are using component cables, (b.) if you have a slimline PS2, and (c.) if the game supports 480p output.

By the way, to clear up any confusion, I believe a couple of the latest versions of the PS2 (besides slimline) are capable of 480p, but they are not readily available anymore, so thats why I said you must have a slimline to output 480p.

Also the first PS2 and the next several versions following were capable of 480p only for DVD playback.

So if I have an original PS2, with the component cables, and select 480p in a game like SOCOM, am I not playing in 480p? What is it running at in this case?

So if I have an original PS2, with the component cables, and select 480p in a game like SOCOM, am I not playing in 480p? What is it running at in this case?I am not 100% sure of this, but I was led to believe that the original few models of the PS2 unit were not capable of 480p output for games, so I would say you are getting 480i.

All PS2s can do 480p for games that have that option. It's 480p support for movies that the newer models added.

I am not 100% sure of this, but I was led to believe that the original few models of the PS2 unit were not capable of 480p output for games, so I would say you are getting 480i.

You are 100% incorrect. I have a launch PS2 and it outputs 480p without any problem over component.

So much FUD

There is a website that contains the list of BC games for emulation. When/if emulation comes to US region PS3's that list will not be smaller, it will only get larger over time. Sony has stated that they won't spend much time on BC beyond what has already been done, but they have made updates and when emulation launches here there will be another big push to make more compatible.

Limited compatibility, you'll only be able to play games Sony takes the time to update the software to emulate, like the 360.Play PS3 games. Jesus Christ. Did you buy a PS3 to play every PS2 game? No.

Play PS3 games. Jesus Christ. Did you buy a PS3 to play every PS2 game? No.



that was ignorant



one of the main selling points for the PS2 was being able to play PS1 games, right now the game selection sucks on the PS3. So why wouldn't someone want to play PS2 games on it?



smh

one of the main selling points for the PS2 was being able to play PS1 games, right now the game selection sucks on the PS3. So why wouldn't someone want to play PS2 games on it?
The poster clearly said "every" PS2 game, of which there are thousands. There aren't too many people concerned being able to play every obscure PS2 title on their PS3.

The overwhelming majority of PS2 titles are playable.

Just an FYI - the North American (US/Canada) consoles are currently doing emulation based PS2 operation, even the ones that have the emotion engine embedded on them.

Basically, if you're running I believe 1.6 or higher (and we're all pretty much running 1.8 now), you are running with software based emulation and the backwards compatibility list applies to you.

I may be wrong and software emulation may have been introduced to the US in 1.7 but the point is the same, if you have the latest software (1.8) your PS1 and PS2 games are running in software emulation.

The fact that many of you didn't notice is testament to how good of a job Sony did with their backwards compatibility.

http://www.us.playstation.com/Support/CompatibleStatusFirst I've heard of this. Do you have a link or something to back this up? As far as I know the hadware emulation can't be switched off.

Will the PS3 emulating a PS2 (how about a PS1?) be able to render the game at 720p/1080p? The textures will probably look pretty bad at those resolutions but at least the polys will look less jagged.

playing the games and scaling them all to 720, 1080i or 1080p
It's pretty obvious the PS3 will scale the PS1/PS2 to those resolutions. I'm not interested in that. I'm interested in knowing if the PS3 will render the games natively at those resolutions. Or does the PS3 render the games at 480p and then scale?

Play PS3 games. Jesus Christ. Did you buy a PS3 to play every PS2 game? No.

Buying the PS3 was my first introduction into the Sony Playstation world of games. I have always bought Nintendo products in the past, but after the Game Cube, I decided to try Sony as well. One of the reasons was all the older games that I missed and heard about I could now try.

This is of importance to me. I have a lot of old ps2 games and want to be able to replay them occasionally. When are they planning to subtract the chip from the US releases? How would you check to see if you have the chip? I am saving up for one, for old games, for blu ray, and for the one game that sounds interesting now. ...resistance. I still play old pc games. Why would you not want to revisit old favorites. Graphics alone do not a great game make. I would love to play ssx 3 again. I have over 40 ps2 games and do want to play them sometimes.

Its my understanding that the PS3 is most likely about to get a price drop, which they will most likely announce at E3.

Will the PS3's after the price drop be emulated or will they have an emotion engine built in still? When are PS3's without the emotion engine going to start being produced? Or are they already in production?

See now I'd guess that all of them are running emulation

Why run two different firmwares? At some point in time things were switched to emulation and the other 2 chips are just sitting there now.

That would make the most sense.

See now I'd guess that all of them are running emulation

Why run two different firmwares? At some point in time things were switched to emulation and the other 2 chips are just sitting there now.

That would make the most sense.

That wouldnt be necessary. The firmware is already written for the EE, all you ahve to do is program additional if than firmware. If there is no EE, than run the emulator. Your right though, they might just emulate now for simplicities sake.

How about instead of crying about "the omg ps3 doesnt have backwards compatibility" like a lot of the major gaming sites posted like 6 months ago you ask yourself this: What ps2 and ps1 games do I NEED to play? Make a list then find out if the ps3 is backwards compatible with them.

When this first broke, 6 months ago, I couldnt stop telling everyone to STFU fast enough. Ever taken a look at the playstation catalogue? Isnt it about 30,000 games deep? OMG the ps3 can only play 20% of ps2 games wah wah, Do you own 6000 ps2 games?

Gather up the 20 or so ps2 and ps1 games tat you need to play and chances are they'll play.

One of the reasons I bought the ps3 was to connect to my ps2 for lan gaming. I have mutliple copies of games and multiple tvs. We love atv 2 and a few other games. Games are not just graphics. I got the ps3 also for blu ray. In fact, I don't have a ps3 game. Until Ratchet and Clank or some game that sounds great (a new ssx please), I will be playing my 360 or playing ps2 games. I also like how ps2 games look on my 46" lcd. SSX 3 in widescreen is a blast. So BC is important to me. I am sure I am not the only one. I think the price break is a start in the right direction. Now, just release some great exclusive games.

Ps Blu ray and hd dvd rock. I love hd. VIVA HD.

If the PS3 actually had alot of games people wanna play, they wouldn't give a **** about ps2 games anymore...


who wants to play madden 06 for ps2, when you can play the newer version for PS3. and so forth.

I know money is an issue of buying new games. But then why buy a ps3 to play ps2. I never understood that. people always complain cause older system games don't work or whatnot.

If im gonna buy a PS3 for like 600... im not playing ps2 games on it period. if that's the case i wouldn't of upgraded in the first place.

Is it really that big of a deal to hold on to or buy a PS2 for some older games? We're going to be in a transition period for a while, and there are some great games on both platforms.

Apparently the gameplay won't change, you won't be able to tell the EE is gone. If it really is as bad as people say it is... I still have my PS2.

Apparently the gameplay won't change, you won't be able to tell the EE is gone. If it really is as bad as people say it is... I still have my PS2.

Ask our friends from across the pond if the games took a hit to their gameplay. Turn based RPG's are still going to be turn based rpgs and 2d fighters arent going to suddenly lose their 2nd dimension. We're talking about games that are 10 years old. If something seems to have "lost" its appeal its not because you're playing it without the EE its because we've had 10 years to improve.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6173823.html?action=convert&om_clk=latestnews&tag=latestnews;title;1

confirmed the 80gig ps3 uses the new chipset with ps2 emulation. Don't know when the 60gigs will transition to it but I think its worth it to get the 80giger for the cooler running 65nm cell (reliable, less power draw, cooler) and revised bluetooth antenna for no dropoffs.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6173823.html?action=convert&om_clk=latestnews&tag=latestnews;title;1

confirmed the 80gig ps3 uses the new chipset with ps2 emulation. Don't know when the 60gigs will transition to it but I think its worth it to get the 80giger for the cooler running 65nm cell (reliable, less power draw, cooler) and revised bluetooth antenna for no dropoffs.

Can you provide a link regarding the antenna and cell process changes?

I haven't seen anything about this anywhere... but if it's true, it'd be worth upgrading my PS3 over probably. I have a terrible time with drop-offs because I live in an apartment (metal studs/wall plates cause a lot of RF reverberation) - so better bluetooth performance would be most welcome.

And 65nm... cooler is better.

its a FCC filing, i posted on another ps3 price drop thread. its the same chipset as the european ps3, which was confimred to have the 65nm.

Thanks.

Ask our friends from across the pond if the games took a hit to their gameplay. Turn based RPG's are still going to be turn based rpgs and 2d fighters arent going to suddenly lose their 2nd dimension. We're talking about games that are 10 years old. If something seems to have "lost" its appeal its not because you're playing it without the EE its because we've had 10 years to improve.A great game is a great game because it's a great game. Take FFVII for example. It's graphic capabilities and technical advancement </sarcasm> wasn't what got it into the lists as one of the greatest Playstation games ever created ;)

Any updates on this? Are the new PS3's being boxed w/out the emotion engine?

^Check the 40gb. Where have you been?

The 40gb cannot do PS2 games at all. It can play PS1 games though.
The 80gb can do all PS1 and PS2 games, but through emulation.

i actually thought about trading my 60gb model for a 40gb that runs cooler with the 65nm cpu as i care nothing for the backward comp with ps2/1 games. too bad the 40gb also lack SACD ability which is a deal breaker for me.

Me too. If I could find a way to do it, I'd swap my 60 for a 40. I don't ever play PS2 games any more. SACD doesn't affect me.

Me too. If I could find a way to do it, I'd swap my 60 for a 40. I don't ever play PS2 games any more. SACD doesn't affect me.


If I buy a 40 will you trade me? I need another 60gb and I cant find any deals for under 450 or so.

i actually thought about trading my 60gb model for a 40gb that runs cooler with the 65nm cpu as i care nothing for the backward comp with ps2/1 games. too bad the 40gb also lack SACD ability which is a deal breaker for me.

It doesn't run off the 65nm cpu this has already been confirmed. They said sometime in 08 they will roll them on the assembly lines but it was confirmed by Sony no version has the new chip

If I buy a 40 will you trade me? I need another 60gb and I cant find any deals for under 450 or so.

I'll trade you my 60 gig for a new 40 gig.

It doesn't run off the 65nm cpu this has already been confirmed. They said sometime in 08 they will roll them on the assembly lines but it was confirmed by Sony no version has the new chip

Are you sure about this? Ken Hirai the President of SCEE said the Cell was, just not the RSX

http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/08/sonys-kaz-hirai-says-new-ps3s-use-65nm-chips-after-all-partly/

http://techreport.com/discussions.x/13569

Of course if it isn't true dieshrink, the reduction in power usage, heat generation and noise is even more impressive.

Are you sure about this? Ken Hirai the President of SCEE said the Cell was, just not the RSX

http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/08/sonys-kaz-hirai-says-new-ps3s-use-65nm-chips-after-all-partly/

http://techreport.com/discussions.x/13569

Of course if it isn't true dieshrink, the reduction in power usage, heat generation and noise is even more impressive.

Check again even engadget correct themselves about the 65nm chip

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6173823.html?action=convert&om_clk=latestnews&tag=latestnews;title;1

confirmed the 80gig ps3 uses the new chipset with ps2 emulation. Don't know when the 60gigs will transition to it but I think its worth it to get the 80giger for the cooler running 65nm cell (reliable, less power draw, cooler) and revised bluetooth antenna for no dropoffs.;)

Get the 80GB

;)

Get the 80GB

:rolleyes:

Sony did actually confirm that the 40GB version uses 65nm cell processor, but 90nm RSX. From a japanese interview with Kazuo Hirai, President of SCEI.

40GB PS3 uses 65nm cell (http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=9601)

Translated Japanese AV Watch Interview (http://www.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.watch.impress.co.jp%2Fav%2Fdocs %2F20071108%2Frt046.htm&langpair=ja%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF8)

Check again even engadget correct themselves about the 65nm chip

My article is the most recent one about the topic, perhaps you should check Engadget yourself. If you have a counterpoint post a link

http://www.engadget.com/tag/65nm/