Is there anyone successfully using these (record & playback) IEEE1394 firewire DVR's?

I'm having a problem that may seem trivial, but believe me, it's a major frustration.

WD-xx831 - Is anyone else having problems with firewire IEEE1394 record/playback?

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Mitsubishi WD-57831, WD-65831, WD-73831

Do any owners of the above sets have this problem?

What are you using for your firewire (IEEE1394) recorder?

I've been unable to resolve the problem dealing with Mitsubishi.

Intellasys (INDIGITA / CinemaVU) says "The dropped audio is a decoding issue with the Mits TV" and I haven't received any more than that from them.

Here's the problem...

The problem is that I'm experiencing audio dropout when playing back recordings made via firewire from the TV.

Here's all the detailed info regarding the problem.

5.1 audio problem

My problem is with Surround Sound (Dolby Digital 5.1) losing LFE (low frequency effect) component and sound drops out for a second or two intermittently when playing back 1080i (Discovery-HD, UHD, MHD, NBC, PBS, etc.) firewire recordings, 720p (FOX, ESPNHD) are fine. BELIEVE ME, IT"S A MAJOR ANNOYANCE.

Watching the program while it's being recorded doesn't exhibit the problem.

Source for recording is the WD-57831 thru NetCommand out firewire, and the inputs are;
1) Comcast digital cable into ANT1 w/Motorola v04.21 cablecard
2) Comcast digital cable directly into ANT2
3) OTA antenna into ANT2

Happens whether I'm using my Windows XP PC w/Firebus driver, an RCA DVR2080 or a CinemaVU C-VU500 HD-DVR (INDIGITA AVHD-500) to record/playback via firewire.

Have tried 6 new S400 6p-4p firewire cables from 3 to 15 feet long.

Dolby 5.1 (AC3) signal is being output from the TV digital audio out to a Sony HT-DDW830A/V receiver, coax digital audio in and sent to it's 6 surround sound speakers.

The A/V receiver works fine with multi-channel, DD & DTS sound output from my DVD player and also from the TV while recording content with DD 5.1.

Have tried 2 different cables for digital audio from the TV to the A/V receiver. They both work fine while viewing the program being recorded and also work fine from my DVD player to the A/V receiver. i.e. the cables are good.

If I tell my A/V receiver to output (downmix to) stereo instead of Dolby 5.1, I don't have the problem.
If I use the TV's built in stereo speakers, I don't have the problem.
If the recorded program is not in Dolby 5.1, I don't have the problem.

I've tried disabling TVGOS while recording and playing back and also disconnecting every input except firewire while playing back and it doesn't help.

Installed new firmware (V33+ 008.02) shipped from Mitsubishi 03/22/2007 and that didn't help.

Split the cable in to ANT1 & ANT2. Memorized ANT2 channels and using ANT2 recorded NBC-HD 1080i w/Dolby 5.1 for 25 minutes. No dropouts during recording. Playback has audio dropouts. It's not the cablecard since that's only active on ANT1 input.

I put cable back to ANT1 w/cablecard and attached my indoor OTA antenna to ANT2. Recorded HEROES NBC 1080i w/Dolby 5.1 30 minutes from OTA, then 30 minutes from cablecard. When playing back the OTA recording, sound does NOT dropout. Cablecard recording sound played back DOES dropout. Tried again with TONIGHT SHOW, same thing. OTA played back does NOT dropout, cablecard played back DOES dropout.

The sound dropouts do not occur in the same place in the recording as evidenced by rewinding and playing back where it drops the first time.

This is definitely a problem with a TV , and not the AVHDD recorder. They're just dumb bit-buckets and do NOT process the digital stream recording in any way whatsoever besides encrypting it + writing to disk.

Keep bothering Mitsubishi about it.

This is definitely a problem with a TV , and not the AVHDD recorder. They're just dumb bit-buckets and do NOT process the digital stream recording in any way whatsoever besides encrypting it + writing to disk.

Keep bothering Mitsubishi about it.I agree on principal that it should be a bit for bit copy of the stream, but if you look at the unit specs (http://www.intellasys.net/products/index.php?target=indigita/AVHD.txt) it states it handles PID filtering and time-stamping, so it does actually manipulate the stream.

PID filtering for demultiplexing transport streams
Time-stamping of recorded content Allows for demultiplexing of multi-program cable and satellite transport streams.

I would love to hear from someone else using this recorder, or an RCA DVR2080 (not an older OEM version) that can verify they don't have the issue I'm seeing.

I have both DVR2080 and 2160, but I'm not using it with that particular TV.
I don't have any kind of audio or video dropouts though.

I have both DVR2080 and 2160, but I'm not using it with that particular TV.
I don't have any kind of audio or video dropouts though.Are you attached to an HDTV (if so, which?) or an STB?

Also, I ONLY have the problem with 1080i w/DD 5.1 recorded from cable, not OTA and only see it when playing back.

I also assume you're in Japan which uses different broadcast standards over cable than the U.S does, ISDB-C vs. DVB-C or OpenCable, correct me if Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVB) is wrong.

Comcast cable in my area uses Motorola DC-II, so I have to assume their head-end equipment is Motorola.

I just want to get this problem resolved, as the whole reason for purchasing this setup was to record & playback HDTV.

TV.
I've used the box to record satellite HD and terrestrial HD broadcasts.
You're correct regarding different broadcast system. The audio is also AAC, not AC3. However 5.1ch does playback without a problem. TV is a 2005? I think model Sharp LC5 37" lcd.

Anyway, better if some Mitsubishi WD-57831, WD-65831, WD-73831 owners poke at this thread, it's unlikely my random babbling is going to improve your situation. Maybe if you changed thread topic to mention mitsubishi TV's youd get more people looking at it.

Are you attached to an HDTV (if so, which?) or an STB?

Also, I ONLY have the problem with 1080i w/DD 5.1 recorded from cable, not OTA and only see it when playing back.

I also assume you're in Japan which uses different broadcast standards over cable than the U.S does, ISDB-C vs. DVB-C or OpenCable, correct me if Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVB) is wrong.

Comcast cable in my area uses Motorola DC-II, so I have to assume their head-end equipment is Motorola.

I just want to get this problem resolved, as the whole reason for purchasing this setup was to record & playback HDTV.


It is the TV. It makes no difference what standard is used as Transport Stream is very similar on all standards. BTW in US cable tv only uses ATSC OpenCable standard, no DVB-C here. Also DCII on cable is used for encryption and nothing else. I have Mistubishi LCD with firewire and RCA and Toshiba AVHDD. I do not get audio dropouts but I get occasional video glitch. Mitsubishi makes great TV's but they always seem to have problem with QAM recording. Earlier Mitsu TVs would not demux channels from QAM and output the whole stream and people could not record it at all.

It is the TV. It makes no difference what standard is used as Transport Stream is very similar on all standards. BTW in US cable tv only uses ATSC OpenCable standard, no DVB-C here. Also DCII on cable is used for encryption and nothing else. I have Mistubishi LCD with firewire and RCA and Toshiba AVHDD. I do not get audio dropouts but I get occasional video glitch. Mitsubishi makes great TV's but they always seem to have problem with QAM recording. Earlier Mitsu TVs would not demux channels from QAM and output the whole stream and people could not record it at all.CKNA, thanks for the reply. I will continue to followup with Mitsubishi on the issue.

My set's been in the shop for a week, so the local shop can troubleshoot with Mits help, and they say they'll start looking at it in 2 days... Why did they need it last Saturday? :confused:

My set's been in the shop for a week, so the local shop can troubleshoot with Mits help, and they say they'll start looking at it in 2 days... Why did they need it last Saturday? :confused:Still in shop and no news yet, Hmmmm....

Heard from shop, then Mits today... local shop got DM module in on Monday and might get a chance to put it in today and see if it fixes it...

Heard from shop, then Mits today... local shop got DM module in on Monday and might get a chance to put it in today and see if it fixes it...Was in the shop for over a month while they tried 2 new DM modules which made the problem worse, so it's still not fixed. Waaiiting to hear back from Mits 2nd level...

Was in the shop for over a month while they tried 2 new DM modules which made the problem worse, so it's still not fixed. Waaiiting to hear back from Mits 2nd level...Called Mits 2nd level support today and my contact was not there. I think they know about this problem and are stalling until my one year warranty runs out or until they've sold all of these sets. Their support is pitiful. They don't return calls and when you email Consumer relations you get an automated reply stating someone will contact you within 2 business days. It's never happened.

Anyone have a recommendation on a new 1080p set that actually records/plays over firewire without problems?

Surely not the Samsung DLP's! :mad:

You can only record the first sub channel.
The set is in a full 'on' state including the lamp.

bwall23; you have a PM.

as far as I know, the only new sets that will have firewire are the new Mitsubishi Diamond DLPs... good luck getting Mitsubishi to fix anything. If it is broken, they won't fix it... period.

I'd get an HD-DVR with firewire and call it a day. I gave up a while ago on getting my Mitsubishi TV to properly do anything over firewire.

I'd get an HD-DVR with firewire and call it a day. I gave up a while ago on getting my Mitsubishi TV to properly do anything over firewire.:confused:The problem I have is when using any 3 of my HD-DVR's with firewire.:confused:

:confused:The problem I have is when using any 3 of my HD-DVR's with firewire.:confused:

So you cannot dump from the DVR straight to the AV disk? That should work. Makre sure you take the TV out of the chain though. It may not work at all if you still have the TV somewhere in the 1394 chain. Connect the AV disk directly to the DVR and then try.

So you cannot dump from the DVR straight to the AV disk? That should work. Makre sure you take the TV out of the chain though. It may not work at all if you still have the TV somewhere in the 1394 chain. Connect the AV disk directly to the DVR and then try.I can't take the TV out of the firewire chain since it's the only controller/hub. I only have the following in the firewire chain;

FirewireHDDVR(AVDISC)<---TV--->FirewireHDDVR(AVDISC1)

You must not have read my first post here because it sounds like you're thinking I have a cable STB. I don't.

What firewire devices do you have and how can you dump direct from an STB to an AVDISC with nothing to control them???

sorry, I didn't see that the TV tuner was your only source.

Was in the shop for over a month while they tried 2 new DM modules which made the problem worse, so it's still not fixed. Waaiiting to hear back from Mits 2nd level...Called Mits 2nd level support today and my contact was not there. I think they know about this problem and are stalling until my one year warranty runs out or until they've sold all of these sets. Their support is pitiful. They don't return calls and when you email Consumer relations you get an automated reply stating someone will contact you within 2 business days. It's never happened.

Anyone have a recommendation on a new 1080p set that actually records/plays over firewire without problems?Mits 2nd level called me August 20th stating my firewire HD-DVR's (same Indigita brand Mits uses for demos) must be incompatible with the TV. I asked which ones are compatible. They said their "expert" is on vacation and would get back to me on that.

It's been 2 months and I haven't heard from them.

I returned my newest (Indigita AVHD-500) unit to Indigita to get a broken LED fixed and they loaded the latest (9/28/07) firmware on it. I still have the same audio dropout issue (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=10744858#post10744858).

Is it the Mitsubishi WD-57831, the Indigita AVHD-500 or Comcast cable???

I sold my Samsung 5088 and picked up a 57732. I briefly tried one, then both of my AVHDDs' (RCA 2150) and the set reconized both and both appeared to record a test progran. I just watched a minute of each just to confirm they worked. Didn't listen to them as I forgot about your issue. I do have a program setup for tonight and will evaluate that.

Off subject, I hate to admit it but the Mits doesn't hold a candle to the Sammy PQ wise. What Home Theater magazine said about the Mits I will have to agree with (at least PQ wise). It faired the 2nd lowest just ahead of a Olevia 565H. Too bad they don't test the user interface or the most basic feature of any TV, the tuner. :mad:
http://hometheatermag.printthis.clickability.com/pt/cpt?action=cpt&title=Home+Theater%3A+The+2007+1080p+RPTV+Face+Off&expire=&urlID=21653292&fb=Y&url=http%3A%2F%2Fhometheatermag.com%2Frearprojectiontvs%2F20 7rptvface%2Findex.html&partnerID=3830

I sold my Samsung 5088 and picked up a 57732. I briefly tried one, then both of my AVHDDs' (RCA 2150) and the set reconized both and both appeared to record a test progran. I just watched a minute of each just to confirm they worked. Didn't listen to them as I forgot about your issue. I do have a program setup for tonight and will evaluate that.

Off subject, I hate to admit it but the Mits doesn't hold a candle to the Sammy PQ wise. What Home Theater magazine said about the Mits I will have to agree with (at least PQ wise). It faired the 2nd lowest just ahead of a Olevia 565H. Too bad they don't test the user interface or the most basic feature of any TV, the tuner. :mad:
http://hometheatermag.printthis.clickability.com/pt/cpt?action=cpt&title=Home+Theater%3A+The+2007+1080p+RPTV+Face+Off&expire=&urlID=21653292&fb=Y&url=http%3A%2F%2Fhometheatermag.com%2Frearprojectiontvs%2F20 7rptvface%2Findex.html&partnerID=3830Look forward to hearing the results of your test recording.

Why did you dump the Sammy?
They reviewed a Mits 731. I had one and sent it back. I think the 732's and 831's are definitely much better than the 731. I did notice poor black levels on the 731, my 831 doesn't have that problem.

Why did you dump the Sammy?Mostly useless function of the 1394/TVGOS feature.
Between the set turning the lamp on while doing a AVHDD record (when no one is watching or at home),
not being able to record any sub channel above '.1' (can record 1.1, but can't record 1.2 for example),
thevideo menu buried seven button pushes deep,
the service menu erasing all the user settings and
a flimsy plastic case that 'creaks' when it get warm. I did notice poor black levels on the 731, my 831 doesn't have that problem. The 731 didn't have the iris. The 732 & the 832 does along with a half a dozen other features most sets don't have.

I recorded a few programs off cable and OTA and after watching just parts of all of them, I had no audio breakup.
Actually, considering everything, the procress went fairly well. Other than the fact it is all too easy to delete a program you already watched, since there isn't a 'are you sure' confirmation screen.

I recorded a few programs off cable and OTA and after watching just parts of all of them, I had no audio breakup.
Actually, considering everything, the procress went fairly well. Other than the fact it is all too easy to delete a program you already watched, since there isn't a 'are you sure' confirmation screen.You also have Comcast cable? I only get the audio dropouts with the Mits Digital Coax out attached to my A/V surround system when playing back a 1080i recording in DD 5.1 that was recorded from Comcast cable. All OTA recordings, all cable 720p recordings and all cable recordings with DD 2 don't have a problem.

I returned my newest (Indigita AVHD-500) unit to Indigita to get a broken LED fixed and they loaded the latest (9/28/07) firmware on it.

You have a 500gig indigita disk image? :D

This is on TW. That seems to be a somewhat limited situation.
How about that same audio off the TV directly (internal speakers)?

You have a 500gig indigita disk image? :DOh yah. It's on my USB thumb drive:rolleyes:

This is on TW. That seems to be a somewhat limited situation.
How about that same audio off the TV directly (internal speakers)?My original post at the beginning of this thread: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=10744858#post10744858

5.1 audio problem

My problem is with Surround Sound (Dolby Digital 5.1) losing LFE (low frequency effect) component and sound drops out for a second or two intermittently when playing back 1080i (Discovery-HD, UHD, MHD, NBC, PBS, etc.) firewire recordings
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If I tell my A/V receiver to output (downmix to) stereo instead of Dolby 5.1, I don't have the problem.
If I use the TV's built in stereo speakers, I don't have the problem.
If the recorded program is not in Dolby 5.1, I don't have the problem.

Too much info to remember it all. :o
Ok, how about trying another receiver?

Too much info to remember it all. :o
Ok, how about trying another receiver?Why?:confused:

I'm using the same connections and same A/V receiver to listen to the DD 5.1 surround sound audio while the Mits is recording to my firewire DTVR. There are no audio dropouts at all while it's recording. I only get them when playing back the firewire recording.

[Mits 57831 {ANT1}] <--> [Comcast Digital Cable]

[Mits 57831 {DIGITAL_AUDIO_OUT}] <--> [{DIGITAL_AUDIO_IN} A/V Receiver]

[Mits 57831 {IEEE1394}] <--> [{IEEE1394} Firewire DTVR]

There are no audio dropouts at all while it's recording. I only get them when playing back the firewire recording. Stranger things have and do happen. Couldn't begin to say why. There could be dozens of reasons.
Do you have access to another receiver? Try it for kicks and giggles.

Stranger things have and do happen. Couldn't begin to say why. There could be dozens of reasons.
Do you have access to another receiver? Try it for kicks and giggles.I would try, except I don't have another A/V receiver to try. I'm not in the market for a new A/V receiver, or speakers at this time. Mine works fine.

Besides, the Mits authorized service shop that had my set for a month was able to duplicate the problem with their A/V receiver.

the Mits authorized service shop that had my set for a month was able to duplicate the problem with their A/V receiver. Well, that eliminates the receiver from the equation.
Guess it is a cable issue which would never be corrected.

Well, that eliminates the receiver from the equation.
Guess it is a cable issue which would never be corrected.Cable, Mits or DVR. Those have not been eliminated yet.

Well I have two Indigita AVHDD's and they work on my Mits with no known audio dropouts. Differen't cable company and I have no CC.

Did you try it w/o the CC? Those network channels should be in the clear.

I have the same audio dropouts using my AVHDD's with my Mits. I am also with Comcast, and notice it the most on NBC-HD, especially in the first 5-10 minutes of recordings. Good thought on the cablecard, and I will do a test using clear-QAM on tuner 2.

Well I have two Indigita AVHDD's and they work on my Mits with no known audio dropouts. Differen't cable company and I have no CC.

Did you try it w/o the CC? Those network channels should be in the clear.Yes, see original post (thread starter) (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=858912).

Source for recording is the WD-57831 thru NetCommand out firewire, and the inputs are;
1) Comcast digital cable into ANT1 w/Motorola v04.21 cablecard
2) Comcast digital cable directly into ANT2
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Split the cable in to ANT1 & ANT2. Memorized ANT2 channels and using ANT2 recorded NBC-HD 1080i w/Dolby 5.1 for 25 minutes. No dropouts during recording. Playback has audio dropouts. It's not the cablecard since that's only active on ANT1 input.

I have the same audio dropouts using my AVHDD's with my Mits. I am also with Comcast,Is this using a STB, a STB w/ a CC or no CC or STB?Yes, see original post (thread starter).Sorry, but there is too much there to read every time.
It surely seems to be a Comcast issue.

Is this using a STB, a STB w/ a CC or no CC or STB?

No STB...ANT1 feeds a CC, and ANT2 is direct cable feed from the wall (analog and clear-QAM).

Again, that surely makes it a Comcast issue...............

I have the same audio dropouts using my AVHDD's with my Mits. I am also with Comcast, and notice it the most on NBC-HD, especially in the first 5-10 minutes of recordings. Good thought on the cablecard, and I will do a test using clear-QAM on tuner 2.scoombs, do you have the same problem on ANT2, direct cable in?

Also, do you have an OTA antenna to try? I had an amplified RCA indoor and just last month installed a Radio Shack outdoor. No problems with OTA here.

Don't want to jinx myself, but I had a perfect 1 hr cable recording last night of DHD 1080i w/DD5.1, using the cablecard and TVGOS for scheduling.

I'm going to try for the 2 hr Winged Migration tonight, since my 2 previous recordings of that have audio dropouts when played back.

Only change I've made is to disconnect my RCA DVR2080 and left only the CinemaVu/Indigita unit attached to the set.

My testing was certainly not exhaustive, but the one recording I made with clear-QAM into ANT2 of my most problematic signal (NBC-HD) did not have a single audio stutter. This test recording was made through the NetCommand recording scheduler, whereas I normally schedule the CC recordings through TVGOS.

So far, so good!

I can finally enjoy my recordings. No sound dropouts!!!

I don't know why last night's recording of Winged Migration on DHD only lasted 1hr 4mins, since TVGOS said it was 2hrs and that's what I scheduled the recording from, but... I'll continue recording and report back.

Well I have two Indigita AVHDD's and they work on my Mits with no known audio dropouts. Differen't cable company and I have no CC.

Did you try it w/o the CC? Those network channels should be in the clear.

I have a Mits 57731 and a Indigita AVHD80 using the 1394 connection. The AVHD80 was apparently intended to provide a 1080p Mits demo source for stores as it has 17 minute and 5 minute 1080p tracks. The 17 minute track is somehow looped as it repeats endlessly.

My problem is that I can't erase the looped track which consumes a lot of GB's(maybe 45 GB). I erased the 5 minute track with no problem. Any ideas?

I have a Mits 57731 and a Indigita AVHD80 using the 1394 connection. The AVHD80 was apparently intended to provide a 1080p Mits demo source for stores as it has 17 minute and 5 minute 1080p tracks. The 17 minute track is somehow looped as it repeats endlessly.

My problem is that I can't erase the looped track which consumes a lot of GB's(maybe 45 GB). I erased the 5 minute track with no problem. Any ideas?Call CinemaVu/Intellasys. They can also reprogram it to stop looping at the end of playback. I would STRONGLY RECOMMEND asking them to quote you a turnaround time IN WRITING and get an RA# & PHONE#/CONTACT and verify someone answers that PHONE#, as they are hard to get hold of. I never had demo recordings on the new unit I bought, since it was shipped from Indigita. They did, however, program mine to eliminate the looped playback.

Have you tried this:
Using INPUT, Select the AVDISC, hit GUIDE if needed to bring it up (it should come on automatically when AVDISC is selected), select the demo track, press CANCEL, CANCEL to delete it?

My testing was certainly not exhaustive, but the one recording I made with clear-QAM into ANT2 of my most problematic signal (NBC-HD) did not have a single audio stutter. This test recording was made through the NetCommand recording scheduler, whereas I normally schedule the CC recordings through TVGOS.Do you still have problems through cablecard on ANT1? I don't anymore. Something must have changed at Comcast, or we're mass hallucinating:rolleyes:

I have a one hour recording set for tonight through NetCommand/TVGOS of Stargate Atlantis HD on the UHD channel using cablecard on ANT1. Thought I'd vary the source since last two good recordings were from DHD. I'll post results by this weekend. Crossing fingers and knocking-on-wood:)

Have you tried this:
Using INPUT, Select the AVDISC, hit GUIDE if needed to bring it up (it should come on automatically when AVDISC is selected), select the demo track, press CANCEL, CANCEL to delete it?


Yes that's the approach I used to delete the 5 min demo and any recordings I've made. I'm hoping for a way to delete the looped recording w/o sending it back to the factory.

Thanks for your input - Earl

Do you still have problems through cablecard on ANT1? I don't anymore. Something must have changed at Comcast, or we're mass hallucinating:rolleyes:

Yes, the recordings I made earlier this week through ANT1 continue to have dropouts in the early parts of the recordings.

I have a one hour recording set for tonight through NetCommand/TVGOS of Stargate Atlantis HD on the UHD channel using cablecard on ANT1. Thought I'd vary the source since last two good recordings were from DHD. I'll post results by this weekend. Crossing fingers and knocking-on-wood:)Another good one:D

One dropout in a commercial that was repeatable at the same point everytime accompanied by a tear in the image. This had to have been in the broadcast (I didn't watch it when it recorded).

Yes, the recordings I made earlier this week through ANT1 continue to have dropouts in the early parts of the recordings.But no problems when bypassing the cablecard with your one test recording, hmmm. I'll record Law & Order: SVU - Harm tonight. If that works, I'll unplug my CinemaVu and plug my RCA DVR2080 back in and try using that again.

All my working recordings so far have been with _just_ the new CinemaVu unit plugged in using TVGOS to schedule recording from ANT1 w/cablecard.

Have you checked signal to noise ratio and signal quality (MENU-2-4-7-0) on your NBC-HD channel? Right now during the game, mine is at
Frequency: 609.0MHz
Digital signal level 9 (out of 10)
SQI: 100
SNR: 36

But no problems when bypassing the cablecard with your one test recording, hmmm. I'll record Law & Order: SVU - Harm tonight. If that works, I'll unplug my CinemaVu and plug my RCA DVR2080 back in and try using that again.

All my working recordings so far have been with _just_ the new CinemaVu unit plugged in using TVGOS to schedule recording from ANT1 w/cablecard.

Have you checked signal to noise ratio and signal quality (MENU-2-4-7-0) on your NBC-HD channel? Right now during the game, mine is at
Frequency: 609.0MHz
Digital signal level 9 (out of 10)
SQI: 100
SNR: 36Flawless recording of NBCHD Law & Order: SVU - Harm tonight using TVGOS on ANT1 w/cablecard. No audio dropouts or glitches.

I'll switch to my RCA DVR2080 and try some more, later.:D

MENU-2-4-7-0 shows:

Frequency: 699.0MHz
Digital signal level 8
SQI: 100
SNR: 35

MENU-2-4-7-0 shows:

Frequency: 699.0MHz
Digital signal level 8
SQI: 100
SNR: 35That looks good.
I've recorded 3 shows with the RCA DVR2080.
2 of the 3 (watched both while recording) are good.
The third one has major dropouts, but of course it's the one I didn't watch while it was recording.

Need to do some more testing. Just time consuming having to watch while recording to see if the dropouts are in the source.

That looks good.
I've recorded 3 shows with the RCA DVR2080.
2 of the 3 (watched both while recording) are good.
The third one has major dropouts, but of course it's the one I didn't watch while it was recording.

Need to do some more testing. Just time consuming having to watch while recording to see if the dropouts are in the source.So far I have 3 good and 3 bad recordings on the RCA. I watched while it recorded two of the bad ones and there were no dropouts/glitches while being recorded, only when played back. Time to disconnect it and try the Intellasys/CinemaVu unit again.

So far I have 3 good and 3 bad recordings on the RCA. I watched while it recorded two of the bad ones and there were no dropouts/glitches while being recorded, only when played back. Time to disconnect it and try the Intellasys/CinemaVu unit again.So far, 4 good recordings with the CinemaVu unit. I'm not yet ready to say "Problem Over", but it does look promising.

To the OP, actually some of the problems you reported (5.1 audio drop outs) are common with HDTV. When I first read your post, I thought you were going to complain that your TV isn't decoding DV. However, I saw that it was audio issues. I wouldn't necessarily blame Comcast, Mitsubishi or your DVR. I would check the programming section for similar complaints about the broadcast audio.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/forumdisplay.php?f=34

MENU 2-4-7-0? I will try that with my 57732 tonight. I learn something new every day I read AVS!

The problem he is posting about is a playback only issue as far as he can tell.

So far, 4 good recordings with the CinemaVu unit. I'm not yet ready to say "Problem Over", but it does look promising.

So do you think it is a firmware issue? The RCA units are obviously very old, whereas you said Indigita updated the firmware on your Cinemavu.

So do you think it is a firmware issue? The RCA units are obviously very old, whereas you said Indigita updated the firmware on your Cinemavu.Looks that way right now. I need to get more good recordings out of the newer CinemaVu unit before I'm convinced.

What did you pay for the new CinemaVu unit?

What did you pay for the new CinemaVu unit?Since Intellasys bought out Indigita (manufacturer) last year, there are only two places I know of that sell them.

Intellasys (manufacturer) (http://www.intellasys.net/products/index.php?target=indigita/AVHD.txt)

CinemaVu (reseller) (http://www.cinemavu.com/contact.html)

CinemaVu = Indigita, so there is really just one source.

I understand that, I was just asking how much, not where.

I understand that, I was just asking how much, not where.Sorry, misunderstood.
Mine's not for sale (Indigita and like I said, they've been bought out by Intellasys now), but if you want to see how much they're going for from the reseller, click here ->CinemaVu (reseller) (http://www.cinemavu.com/buynow.html)

Looks that way right now. I need to get more good recordings out of the newer CinemaVu unit before I'm convinced.I had one bad recording on the new unit early (as in 1am) this morning. About 10 dropouts in 15 minutes (didn't view the whole half-hour recording, deleted it). I did not watch the broadcast as it was recording, so it really doesn't count (could be Comcast). I'll be trying more this week as I have some time off for the holiday.

CinemaVu = Indigita, so there is really just one source.Actually, CinemaVu is a reseller brand-name attached (by an eMarketer of High-Tech equipment) to the Indigita AVR. Indigita is a corporation bought out by another corporation-Intellasys. Indigita developed and manufactured the units and was bought out by Intellasys Corp. CinemaVu acts as a marketer/reseller of the Indigita units direct to the public.

But, if you mean where can I buy one, then yes, you can only buy retail through CinemaVu. If you find another source, please post it.

And, just to clear the air: I'm not affiliated in any way with Indigita, Intellasys or CinemaVu, other than as a customer.

CinemaVu is just a marketing name created by Indigita as a front-end to retail their solutions. If you send them an inquiry by email, the response comes from @indigita.com (at least they did in October of 2006).

I had one bad recording on the new unit early (as in 1am) this morning. About 10 dropouts in 15 minutes (didn't view the whole half-hour recording, deleted it). I did not watch the broadcast as it was recording, so it really doesn't count (could be Comcast). I'll be trying more this week as I have some time off for the holiday.Really wish I had equipment to prove this one way or the other, but it's really starting to look like a Mits problem. I went to watch&record tonight and had such severe audio dropout on any HD channel I chose (Dolby 5.1 Surround, of course) that I called Comcast. Why did I do that??? They're no help:mad:

After resetting the Mits TV, all was fine. I finally realized that for one reason or another that I've been resetting the Mits about once a month.

Reminds me of when I used to run servers (M$) and had to reboot them daily.

Strange as it may seem... The pic also looked better after a reset.

The major pain for me with a reset is TVGOS looses it's clock and you have to power cycle the TV a couple times after the reset to get it back.

I'm starting to look for a new set, but meantime, back at the lab, I'll try resetting once a week to see if it helps:(

The only three manufactures that supported AVHDDs' were Samsung, Mits and Toshiba AFAIK. Toshiba was the first to drop out, then was Samsung & Mits. Last years models were the last. This years models dropped CCs', 1394 and some dropped TVGOS. :mad:

I'm pretty sure this years high end Mits model still has 1394 but no cablecard.

After my RCA 2160 took a crap, I found a seller on ebay that was selling new units cheaper than Indigita. The drawback is that they are Mitsubishi demo units and have a couple recordings for dealer demo on the HDTV. On another thread a member who also has one was able to remove the recodings by pressing an unlock button and then delete the recording. With my RCA, it seems like I don't have that option. Is there a service center that I can contact that might be able to delete them and somewhere I can download a copy of the manual? The manual that came with it briefly tells the dealer how to connect it rather than deal with its features which are slightly different from the RCA. It seems like the Indigita unit may be able to record 2 recordings at once as opposed to the RCA. Also anyone know where I could get the RCA looked at. I hate to trash it since it was used so sparingly. RCA customer service was no help. I think the hard drive became corrupted. Thanks, Bear

I thought I would contribute my experience to this thread, since I too get audio drop out on nearly all recorded network broadcast material (does not matter if OTA or off SAT). My euip is as follows - DirectTV HD DVR -> HDMI -> Mits 831 set to DD5.1
DBS receiver has native OFF. Sound is piped via digital coax from TV out to Onkyo amp. It does not matter if I turn off the amp and use the TV speakers - however I used NetCommand to set up the TV to turn on the DBS and amp and the TV all with one click on the DBS remote. Changing to PCM did not correct this problem. Oddly it does not seem to be a problem with content from the strict cable providers (like HBO) ONLY with content from broadcast TV. In that regard, OTA is a bit better than satellite feed.

We replaced one HD DVR since we also got video breakups but it did not solve the audio problems.

Direct TV says it is the TV - and I am wondering if this may indeed be the case since it appears that other people who are playing back recorded material have the same issues.

I have done a bit of experimenting so will post back when I get the chance:
I added a second audio source to the amplifier directly to the TV from my DBS box thus bypassing the TV passthrough all together and will see what happens when I record some stuff tonight.

After my RCA 2160 took a crap, I found a seller on ebay that was selling new units cheaper than Indigita. The drawback is that they are Mitsubishi demo units and have a couple recordings for dealer demo on the HDTV. On another thread a member who also has one was able to remove the recodings by pressing an unlock button and then delete the recording. With my RCA, it seems like I don't have that option. Is there a service center that I can contact that might be able to delete them and somewhere I can download a copy of the manual? The manual that came with it briefly tells the dealer how to connect it rather than deal with its features which are slightly different from the RCA. It seems like the Indigita unit may be able to record 2 recordings at once as opposed to the RCA. Also anyone know where I could get the RCA looked at. I hate to trash it since it was used so sparingly. RCA customer service was no help. I think the hard drive became corrupted. Thanks, Bear

I have one of those Mits Demo units. I've been unable to delete the looped demo. Can you give me a link to the thread that describes the technique?

I find if I reset the TV and recorder before recording, I get better captures, but it's still hit & miss. Sometimes it's a perfect recording with no dropouts and other times there are many audio dropouts.

I have also had the recorder try to playback recorded content, but I get no picture or sound, just the time increments (on the TV screen when pressing the remote's info button) as though it's playing back. If I then reset the TV and recorder, it will playback. Appears to be one of the devices is confused, or maybe a handshaking problem. All the content I've recorded and played back so far has been marked as "Copy Freely".

I'm still not sure whether it's Comcast, the Mits or the Indigita.

I have found a program to record as a test that will exhibit audio dropout every time while playing back and yet no audio dropouts while recording it.

It's on MOJO, every Monday morning at 1am.;)

I have 3 Indigita AVHD 80 Mits demo units connected to my Mits WD Y57. I've had no problem with my recordings except those I can directly attribute to the cable or OTA input signal. My only problem is deleting the looped demo segments which tie up more than half the Hard Drive capacity of the Indigita units.

I have 3 Indigita AVHD 80 Mits demo units connected to my Mits WD Y57. I've had no problem with my recordings except those I can directly attribute to the cable or OTA input signal. My only problem is deleting the looped demo segments which tie up more than half the Hard Drive capacity of the Indigita units.Stingray1, I'm curious if you play back cable (QAM Tuner) 1080i recordings w/DD5.1 to the Mits and have the Mits connected via digital audio coax to your surround sound receiver and have your surround sound reciver decoding the DD5.1, if you have any audio dropouts?

I have 3 Indigita AVHD 80 Mits demo units connected to my Mits WD Y57. I've had no problem with my recordings except those I can directly attribute to the cable or OTA input signal. My only problem is deleting the looped demo segments which tie up more than half the Hard Drive capacity of the Indigita units.Other than calling (or sending your units in to) Intellasys, I have no idea how you can delete those demo recordings.

Stingray1, I'm curious if you play back cable (QAM Tuner) 1080i recordings w/DD5.1 to the Mits and have the Mits connected via digital audio coax to your surround sound receiver and have your surround sound reciver decoding the DD5.1, if you have any audio dropouts?

My Mits WD Y57 TV isn't connected to my surround sound receiver. I think my surround sound receiver only has a optical 5.1 sound input and that's being used by one of my Sony DHG HDD 500 dvr's.

I have two RCA DVR-2160s' for sale. Mint. $125 each
PM if interested.