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GREAT NEWS!!!

Wish they were releasing The Hunt For Red October separately, but this is the next best thing. I'll probably pick up Top Gun and Face/Off, too.

Why is Face/Off better as an import?

After the import version of Face/Off and getting my new hdmi/pcm capable receiver, Paramount titles just got bumped down the list for me if they don't include either TrueHD or PCM. Face/Off will sound good in DD but not as good as it could sound.

Paramount has to step up to the plate with uncompressed soon or I won't even bother with their titles. There are too many others with better sound that I'd rather buy; if I want plain old DD, I'll watch the SD DVD edition, and even Top Gun has DTS-ES 6.1 on its latest SD version.

I have hopes for some of their fall releases but I suspect it won't be until some of these titles get re-released in the next couple of years that we'll see either one of the advanced audio formats or PCM. It makes me far less likely to re-purchase catalog titles but keeps me on the fence with newer ones.

Woo Hoo! Between the Jack Ryan collection, Top Gun, and Face/Off, I hope there's a rainy fall weekend to get through them all, around football, of course.

Top Gun will be uncompressed.

I hate Top Gun!

Face Off is a two disc set...anyone else notice that? Maybe they wanted to make room for some soundtrack options.

All the belly-aching is about to come to an end as we realize how much activity our wallets are gonna suffer through in the fall. I am buying all of them. Now gimme Grease in a beautiful new transfer...that's the one that I want ...how about it Paramount?

I like all the Jack Ryan movies, even the Affleck one. But man its going to suck if there's no lossless sweetness included.


Top Gun will be uncompressed.

Really? Is there any specific reason why Paramount is so late to the game?

Originally posted by DigitalfreakNYC
Top Gun will be uncompressed.

YES!
Highly over-rated stereo VHS
Highly over-rated anaolg stereo LD
Highly over-rated PCM digital stereo LD
Highly over-rated AC-3 LD
Highly over-rated DD DVD
Highly over-rated DD/DTS DVD
Finally...
Highly over-rated uncompressed HD discs!

The cycle is complete!

I'm buying it, but let's face it, it is the most over-rated demo disc in history.
:p

fitprod

I like all the Jack Ryan movies, even the Affleck one. But man its going to suck if there's no lossless sweetness included.




Really? Is there any specific reason why Paramount is so late to the game?
Digital Bits had an article last Winter that mentioned their reasoning. I think it had to do with hardware compatibility issues.

Digital Bits had an article last Winter that mentioned their reasoning. I think it had to do with hardware compatibility issues.

Which makes no sense at all. Why cripple the software now, if were gonna be stuck with it for years. And hardware will come in time, actually it's already here for a while.

Paramount RARELY went all out with audio on their SD DVDs (maybe 3% of their SD DVDs had DTS), so I don't see why so many people are surprised that they're not really going all out with HD DVD/Blu-ray by including super sound.

If Top Gun doesn't have uncompressed audio it better only be like $15. If i decide to buy it w/o uncompressed audio it'll be like the 4th time i'll have bought it on disc format....

I'm in for all three titles, and the set.

I haven't seen "Clear & Present Danger" or "Patriot Games," but I'd LOVE for a REALLY GREAT HD transfer of "The Hunt For Red October" as it's one of my favorites of all time, and I was disappointed with the last DVD release (which is what I own).

~Alan

The uncompressed HD disc is just taking you right back to the same quality as the PCM LD. Everything after that was inferior. So indeed the cycle is complete. We have caught up to where we were 15 years ago. :rolleyes:

That's true except we didn't have 6-channel PCM on LD, only 2.

DigitalfreakNYC - uncompressed in a format that can be decoded by current players?

If Top Gun doesn't have uncompressed audio it better only be like $15. If i decide to buy it w/o uncompressed audio it'll be like the 4th time i'll have bought it on disc format....
amen to that........ This is one of my all time favorite movie, just because of its sound track.


Danger Zone in uncompressed audio !!!! Can't wait :D

Woo Hoo! Between the Jack Ryan collection, Top Gun, and Face/Off, I hope there's a rainy fall weekend to get through them all, around football, of course.

Agreed! I'll be getting all of those as well. Will have to cram them into a couple Saturdays as even high def movies don't stop me from watching football!

This is a terrific lineup from Paramount. Now if only they'd include lossless audio on their discs. Hunt For Red October with LPCM would be amazing!

Jack Ryan set and Top Gun for me!

Great news about Top Gun being lossless. I hope we get that for the Jack Ryan set too. Never bothered buying Red October or Sum of All Fears (just the Ford films for me), but I'd take them in a box set.

Top Gun will be uncompressed.

May I ask what your source for this info is? God I hope you're right. ;)

Wish they were releasing The Hunt For Red October separately, but this is the next best thing. I'll probably pick up Top Gun and Face/Off, too.
Ya know I thought the same thing, then I realized I haven't watched THFRO or Top Gun since I upgraded to the anamorphic DVDs a couple years ago.

Depending how Paramount prices this set, I may bite though. I can always sell the ones I don't like on fleabay. :D

The Jack Ryan Collection sounds awesome. Been waiting for Red October. Hope Paramount is doing lossless by then, but... somehow I doubt it. ;)

Top Gun and Face/Off is good, too.

the jack ryan set for me to go along with crimson tides whenever it comes out.

I hope they are a good transfer. If it is a significant upgrade from my standard dvd version, I'll buy the Jack Ryan set.

After the import version of Face/Off and getting my new hdmi/pcm capable receiver, Paramount titles just got bumped down the list for me if they don't include either TrueHD or PCM. Face/Off will sound good in DD but not as good as it could sound.

The difference between the DD track and the PCM one on the import is huge, the biggest difference I've heard yet on BD, it's thunderous, maybe too much :eek:

I hope they are a good transfer. If it is a significant upgrade from my standard dvd version, I'll buy the Jack Ryan set.

Same here

The Jack Ryan Collection sounds awesome. Been waiting for Red October. Hope Paramount is doing lossless by then, but... somehow I doubt it. ;)

Top Gun and Face/Off is good, too.
A highly reliable Paramount insider disclosed that the Jack Ryan collection and Top Gun will have PCM tracks for their BD release.

The HD DVD releases will have TrueHD tracks.

Boo to not releasing the Jack Ryan films separately. Hunt for Red October is the only one I need.


agreed. Just like with The Matrix set, I only am interested in the first...

agreed. Just like with The Matrix set, I only am interested in the first...
Oh come on, Patriot Games is worth it for Harrison Ford strolling into an Irish pub, walking up to the head of the IRA, roughing him up, and saying, "I will ****ing destroy you!" If that isn't classic, what is? :)

Or Clear and Present Danger: Sorry, Mr. President, I don't dance!!

Mmmm...the cheesey goodness.

Yup, I only liked Hunt For Red October (the other two were just ho-hum). Top Gun should get 6.1 discrete lossless... they already made a new 6.1 mix for the DVD. Will it? God and Paramount only know!!

Yup, I only liked Hunt For Red October (the other two were just ho-hum). Top Gun should get 6.1 discrete lossless... they already made a new 6.1 mix for the DVD. Will it? God and Paramount only know!!
And what of the fourth? I guess the fact Sum of All Fears usuallyd doesn't bear mention speaks for itself.

I think that movie would have been good if we hadn't seen everything on both sides the whole movie. There might have been suspense if the audience questioned quether Jack was right in addition to the CIA. Instead we knew all along and just waited, waited, and waited for someone to actually listen to him.

I love Red October and can't wait to see it in HD (even if I have to buy the other dogs to do so.) I remember seeing it in the theater back in 1990 - I was pissy because I wanted to see Mad House by myself and my parents made me see Red October with them instead (I was still a kid and we were in a fairly big city.) Of course, once it started, I was engrossed and loved every minute of it. When I finally got around to seeing the turd that is Mad House, I was sooo glad they made me see Red October.

Oh come on, Patriot Games is worth it for Harrison Ford strolling into an Irish pub, walking up to the head of the IRA, roughing him up, and saying, "I will ****ing destroy you!" If that isn't classic, what is? :)

Or Clear and Present Danger: Sorry, Mr. President, I don't dance!!

Mmmm...the cheesey goodness.


I do love Harrison but IMHO, those 2 films were snoozefests. To me, Baldwin was Ryan.

:)

I do love Harrison but IMHO, those 2 films were snoozefests. To me, Baldwin was Ryan.

:)

I agree - for me, Baldwin is/was Ryan. HFRO was the best of the series. I like all the movies though, but I've always thought Ford to be a poor actor. A great star - yes, but poor actor, IMO. He just over does it; to me it's too obvious he's acting, though I suppose he makes up for it with his great voice and dominating screen presence.

I like the Ford ones, but not enough to rebuy.

Hunt for Red October though, is just an awesome movie, and I will upgrade that one. It's not so much Baldwin...though Ford was a bit too boy scout in the role. But Hunt is just a better movie through and through. Part of John McTiernan's triple threat of great movies...Predator, Die Hard, and Hunt. Oh how he has fallen.

True. It wasn't just Baldwin, it was Scott Glenn, Tim Curry, Sam Neill, Sean Connery etc... etc...

:)

The first Ford film was ok but I honestly don't even remember anything about the 2nd one he did. And I LIKE Ford,but he was not Ryan.

Have to disagree. I LOVED both PG and CAPD.

My father and I couldn't stay awake when we rented Red October many years ago when it was first out.

A year or so ago I Netflixed it and liked it, thinking it was much better than I remembered, but now I can't remember the movie at all, except for a little bit of the end shootout, same as before. Strange that this movie is so unmemorable for me. I have a slightly better recollection of Sum of All Fears and I only saw that once in the theater.

Sum of all Fears was a disgrace of a movie. Totally butchered what was a fantastic Ryan novel. And it didn't make any sense, they basically pretended the other Ryan films didn't exist. AWFUL AWFUL AWFUL AWFUL AWFUL.

The others are greats though so I will be buying this set.

Blu-ray box art of The Jack Ryan Collection:

http://dvd.themanroom.com/images/covers/bluray/large/3897.jpg

Lets just hope that you can take them out of the case like you can with the Matrix disks.

No love for Clear and Present Danger in this thread? I always thought it was really underrated and a lot better than Patriot Games. A very entertaining 90s thriller. The attack on the SUV convoy should rock the house in PCM.

What's the one with Willem Dafoe, and the super sneaky sniper and the South American Druglord. I watched that so many times as a kid, I just like it for some reason. I think it's because of Dafoe.

I think Affleck may make movies worse, Reinder Games, Gigli, Pearl Harbor, Hollywood Land, Smokin Aces, Surviving Christmas, Paycheck, Daredevil.

Feel free to add.
I'm not bashing him, I like affleck; but it's either him or he needs a new agent.

What's the one with Willem Dafoe, and the super sneaky sniper and the South American Druglord. I watched that so many times as a kid, I just like it for some reason. I think it's because of Dafoe.

I think Affleck may make movies worse, Reinder Games, Gigli, Pearl Harbor, Hollywood Land, Smokin Aces, Surviving Christmas, Paycheck, Daredevil.

Feel free to add.
I'm not bashing him, I like affleck; but it's either him or he needs a new agent.

That's Clear and Present Danger. Ok, now I feel old. I already felt old when I wrote "90s thriller".

I agree about Affleck. I do like him somewhat, and I wanted to like a couple of movies you just mentioned (esp. Reindeer Games, Paycheck, Daredevil, also The Sum of All Fears), either because of the premise or the people involved (Reindeer Games is a Frankenheimer movie for God's sake!!!), but I simply couldn't.

I just watched Red October on HD Net. While it is a great film, the best of the series according to most, as pure eye candy it doesn't compare to Clear and Present Danger. Most of Red October is in close quarters with subdued lighting. While it looked very good in HD, the story and the acting is what really carrys this film. It's just not that stunning visually.

The best way I can illustrate my point is by comparing North by Northwest and Psycho. High Definition will do more for NBNW, just like HD will do more for C&PD. HD's biggest advantage is detail at a distance or in the background. HD close ups are better, but the advantage is less. Look how much better the crowd shots are at a football game for example.

I'm not trying to talk anyone out of buying Red October, just that as an HD demo disc C&PD would likely be a better choice. Ok, I admit I like it and place it a step behind Red October. Since I don't care for the other two I'll simply wait for the discs to be released individually.

No love for Clear and Present Danger in this thread? I always thought it was really underrated and a lot better than Patriot Games. A very entertaining 90s thriller. The attack on the SUV convoy should rock the house in PCM.

Sure there is.

I think CAPD is great, and for what matters I didn't like Patriot Games, some absurd plotholes IMO.

So for me is HFTRO and CAPD, I'm still thinking about SOAF. I liked it quite a lot when I saw it at the movies, but didn't catch it ever since.

I loved the first 3. Hunt for Red October is one of the greatest sub movies of all times (up there with Das Boot IMO). the 2 Ford movies are great too. I watched Clear and Present.... many many times as a kid. Patriot games was just as good IMO. Clear and present danger was very much ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. Crappy movie with an even crappier actor. I'll probably end of selling that one off to a friend.

I agree - for me, Baldwin is/was Ryan. HFRO was the best of the series. I like all the movies though, but I've always thought Ford to be a poor actor. A great star - yes, but poor actor, IMO. He just over does it; to me it's too obvious he's acting, though I suppose he makes up for it with his great voice and dominating screen presence.

On these particular movies, I think, the adaptation required such overacting. There are places in the books where Tom Clancy would go for pages and pages, and Ford had to express all that just by razing an eyebrow.

I really like Clear and Present Danger too, and PG grows on me.

Unless I get some kind of fantastic coupon deal, I may hold off on these for a while and just pick up the Ford films.

As cool as this would look on the shelf, I don't really watch my DVDs of them that much. Of course, I bought the original non-anamporphic, non SEs, and then the SEs, so maybe it's just the triple-dip, coupled with 2 movies I don't really need hitting me.

"Sum of all Fears was a disgrace of a movie. Totally butchered what was a fantastic Ryan novel. And it didn't make any sense, they basically pretended the other Ryan films didn't exist."

But isn't SOAF meant to be a prequel though? So it follows that the continuity with the other movies would be different. Ryan and John Clark are both younger in SOAF than the Ford movies. Personally i like all the movies (Patriot Games is marginally the weakest), but let's be clear.... no PCM, no purchase, as the DTS tracks on the DVD's are amongst the best out there.

Add me to those who just want PG and CaPD.

In fact, I bought the "Jack Ryan Collection" LD set back when and have never even had Red October in the player.

Heh.... the only one I want to upgrade from the last DVD package is The Hunt.... mabey some of us should work something out.... LOL

Heh.... the only one I want to upgrade from the last DVD package is The Hunt.... mabey some of us should work something out.... LOL

That's not a bad idea.

Of course, who'll take Sum off my hands? ;)

That's not a bad idea.

Of course, who'll take Sum off my hands? ;)

I'm selling mine on ebay. It's $63 for the set of 4 on amazon right now. So if I could get a good $15-20 for it on ebay...that would help a lot.

Well, yet ANOTHER change from Paramount. From highdefdigest .......

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Paramount Home Entertainment has announced street date bumps of almost a month for its upcoming dual-format releases of 'Face/Off' and 'The Jack Ryan Collection.'

'The Jack Ryan Collection,' featuring all four films in the blockbuster franchise ('The Hunt for Red October,' 'Patriot Games,' 'Clear and Present Danger' and 'Sum of All Fears') was originally announced for a September 25 bow on both Blu-ray and HD DVD. A new special collector's edition of 'Face/Off' was first scheduled for an August debut on the two next-gen formats, and then later bumped back to September 11.

Now both titles have brand-new high-def street dates, with 'The Jack Ryan Collection' due first on October 23, followed one week later by 'Face/Off' on October 30.

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http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/Paramount/Street_Date_Delays/Paramount_Shuffles_Fall_Blu-ray,_HD_DVD_Line-Up_Face/Off,_Jack_Ryan_Collection_See_Delays/869

Guess I can afford to buy "Heroes" now, while I wait for Jack Ryan.

This sucks. I want to support HD-DVD and own the first three in high-def, but Sum of All Fears is such a betrayal of the book and Asslick is such a terrible actor! That movie failed on nearly all counts. It's unfair that I should have to pay more for three movies just to pay for Paramount's mistake.

This sucks. I want to support HD-DVD and own the first three in high-def, but Sum of All Fears is such a betrayal of the book and Asslick is such a terrible actor! That movie failed on nearly all counts. It's unfair that I should have to pay more for three movies just to pay for Paramount's mistake.

sell it on here or ebay, you'll regain the amount you paid for it (I believe it is $60 for the set. Divide 60 by 4 and you get $15 per movie. People sell movies on here and ebay for about $15-16 bucks a pop) problem solved.

sell it on here or ebay, you'll regain the amount you paid for it (I believe it is $60 for the set. Divide 60 by 4 and you get $15 per movie. People sell movies on here and ebay for about $15-16 bucks a pop) problem solved.

That's what I'm doing.

And I got the set for $50. So if I get $20 for it...that's $10 a movie. :)

Sum of All Fears is such a betrayal of the book

I've felt that way about all of them after Red October, honestly. Red October is a classic. The other 3 (including Sum) are above-average action flicks, in my opinion. I just try to take them for what they are and avoid comparison to the books. I'll keep them all. ;)

Did I miss something? Paramount is HD-DVD exclusive (i.e. no BR release)

i may get it but sell the Afleck one... it just wasn't as gritty as the others... i love technology, albeit fictional or not, so red october is a definite... just hope these bluray transfers are at least silver tiered or 4-stars....

Did I miss something? Paramount is HD-DVD exclusive (i.e. no BR release)

It is; you (and I) fell victim to a "necro-bump".

i think this thread should be locked or moved.

I hate Top Gun!

meto.. painfully bad movie. Horrible dialog ruined what could have been a good movie. Could have done without the painful love story stuff.... Don't get me wrong, I love that mushy stuff if it's done right.

meto.. painfully bad movie. Horrible dialog ruined what could have been a good movie. Could have done without the painful love story stuff.... Don't get me wrong, I love that mushy stuff if it's done right.

all the reasons to have it on dvd/hdm, skip right to the dogfights.

meto.. painfully bad movie. Horrible dialog ruined what could have been a good movie. Could have done without the painful love story stuff.... Don't get me wrong, I love that mushy stuff if it's done right.

It's worth it for the locker room and beach scenes alone :)