http://www.twice.com/article/CA6452048.html

"... last year the chain sold from 100,000 to 125,000 Blu-ray set-top players, not including PlayStation3 ..."

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That might be worldwide, and shipped to retailers.

That might be worldwide

Sony still hasn't a BD player out in Europe (nor Australia if I'm not mistaken).

That might be worldwide, and shipped to retailers.

So this means there are 100,000+ BDP-S1 players worldwide in stores and homes? Or does the figure include all Blu ray players.

they must be talking about the past 12 months that # seems to contradict every other sales claim we've heard. Frankly I thought there was barely 100k stand-alone BD players of all brands sold in the past 12 months.

Toshiba said they have 60% market, mean Blu-ray have 40%

Toshiba said they sold about 150,000. Blu-ray said they have about 100,000.

60% and 40%, make sense

If that is true Panasonic and Pioneer must be really happy. We see how happy Samsung is!

100000 Sony players sold and approx 1500000 PS3

And POTC sold about 50000 (...100000?) copies so far.

Whats wrong with this picture?

100000 Sony players sold and approx 1500000 PS3

And POTC sold about 50000 (...100000?) copies so far.

Whats wrong with this picture?

so because some one has a Br played they have to buy that mediocre movie ?

whats wrong with you ?

And Casino Royale sold about 50000 (...100000?) copies so far.

Whats wrong with this picture?

Those numbers are refering to Sony products. I think they got over zealous and added an extra 0.

And Casino Royale sold about 50000 (...100000?) copies so far.

Whats wrong with this picture?

Sounds like a lot to me, I saw it in the theatre and rented it for my wife. Maybe some people rent movies instead of buying them all at $30. It seems to me HD DVD folks are using their $$ to keep the format on life support by buying all the crappy movies.

I look at the list of all releases on both sides and see about a dozen movies on both lists worth buying. Then I wonder WTF people are thinking when they have 70+ movies bought of one format in their sig.

Funny, I wonder WTF are people dropping $600+ only to put folding@home team ### in their sig.

Is it a contest to see who uses the PS3 the least? :confused:

Sounds right on to me, considering their delayed start at the tail end of last year. They have a whole 12 mos this year. Likely 5X last year but certainly 7X is in range with their new inexpensive player.

LMAO!

And since when is Sony a chain?

Right now I'm 100 yards from a Sony Style store.

Funny, I wonder WTF are people dropping $600+ only to put folding@home team ### in their sig.

Is it a contest to see who uses the PS3 the least? :confused:
Folding at Home is just something for the console to do when you're sleeping. People take it seriously because they hope it will have real medical benefits. Nothing wrong with a little friendly competition that benefits society.

Would you prefer a game list in their sig? Maybe a stat for how many an hours a week they play? What do XBOX players put in their sig? I thought a sig was to advertise something about you, or how you felt? Why is your team number a bad thing?

I simply do not trust a thing said by Sony.....not in a million years!

so because some one has a Br played they have to buy that mediocre movie ?

whats wrong with you ?

It's you who hasn't answered his question.

Sounds right on to me, LOL :D

Sounds like a lot to me, I saw it in the theatre and rented it for my wife. Maybe some people rent movies instead of buying them all at $30. It seems to me HD DVD folks are using their $$ to keep the format on life support by buying all the crappy movies.

I look at the list of all releases on both sides and see about a dozen movies on both lists worth buying. Then I wonder WTF people are thinking when they have 70+ movies bought of one format in their sig.

I see people who say they only see 12 movies out of 500 worth buying and wonder wtf is wrong with them to be so picky and elitist with their entertainment.

To each their own though.

Oh and it is pretty clear to see the HUGE disparity between the bluray hardware install base and the sales. The bluray camp (meaning the companies not people here) goes ON AND ON about the 45 trillion PS3s out there yet the sales clearly show that either 90% of all bluray owners rent their movies or that most of the PS3s are not being used for movie watching. Whichever it is it isn't anything to write home about and I'd guess the "real" blu ray install base is not much more than the hd dvd base.

BTW I am an user of both formats (and like both equally) so not like I care...just stating a simple fact.

For the sake of being a fan of HD on disc I'd LOVE it if more PS3 owners like me and many here used it for movies or (going out on a limb and saying most simply rent) bought more discs.

People need to remember that rentals don't do all that much for a format and I'd guess just make studios want to move more and more to a VOD or even a DIVX type service.

I see people who say they only see 12 movies out of 500 worth buying and wonder wtf is wrong with them to be so picky and elitist with their entertainment.

To each their own though.

It's called trying to make a point at all costs despite looking like a train wreck in the process... Those folks are well known. There are 6 I could put my finger on.

I see people who say they only see 12 movies out of 500 worth buying and wonder wtf is wrong with them to be so picky and elitist with their entertainment.

To each their own though.

Hey . . . I resemble that remark!

Because I am tired (and too poor I guess) of buying the same movies, now for the 4th time. Invested thousands with VHS, Invested even more thousands with LD. Surpassed those thousands with DVD.

I am not going to do it again!

And The Road Warrior was just on in HD - stunning with DD 5.1. As was Waterworld. You should see Cars in HD - razor sharp! So were ALL the Star Wars movies. All OAR and DD 5.1. And here is the best part . . . .

They cost me nothing more than, my already, have to pay it any way, cable bill. Enjoyed the hell out of them. :)

Oh, I see. Sony has sold 100K to 125K of it's players.

I didn't say that. You asked since when Sony was a chain, and I just wanted to say that they own a chain of retail stores.

I didn't say that. You asked since when Sony was a chain, and I just wanted to say that they own a chain of retail stores.

OK . . .

No combat . . . .

Here is the sentence from the OP that started this thread:

"... last year the chain sold from 100,000 to 125,000 Blu-ray set-top players, not including PlayStation3 ..."

No . . better yet . . . here are the first two paragraphs of the article:

New York — Sony expects sales of Blu-ray players to expand by six to seven times in calendar year 2007 compared to last year.

Randy Waynick, senior VP of home products division, said that last year the chain sold from 100,000 to 125,000 Blu-ray set-top players, not including PlayStation3 or Vaio drives.

OK, I think now we can proceed.

Now you tell me if I am wrong with my "read" on what is being said.

The SR. VP of Sony's home products division has publically stated that last year (what year? Calendar or Fiscal - no matter) "the chain" Well, you have enlightened me that Sony has retail outlet stores and those stores have sold between 100K and 125K BD STP's - not including PS3 and Vaio.

He is referencing other Sony products only. Doesn't mention the BDA, nor any of the CEM's that are a part of it. .. .Just Sony.

And as far as I know, the only Sony BD STP that was sold was the BSP-1 $999 priced one.

So you accept this as a factual statement?

And Toshiba says they have sold SID - 150,000 HD DVD players (no 360 AO included) at prices ranging from $999 to $799 to $499 to $399 to $299.

So Toshiba has outsold Sony . . . Just Sony mind you . . .by between 25,000 and 50,000 players.

No wait . . . that can't be right.

Because Toshiba said this at the end of May - 2 weeks ago. While Sony's stated number either was for June 2006 to Dec. 2006 or June 2006 to March 2007 (calander versus fiscal year).

Let's be skeptical and call it fiscal year - benefit of the doubt.. That's 10 months.
Average sales per month - 10,000 to 12,500.

So by the end of May - another 20,000 to 25,000. I mean these things are FLYING off the shelves.

So the final talley for sales of HDD STP's ending 5/30/07 is:

Toshiba - 150,000

Sony - between 120,000 and 150,000

So how many players have the other 5 BD CEM's sold?

I see people who say they only see 12 movies out of 500 worth buying and wonder wtf is wrong with them to be so picky and elitist with their entertainment.

To each their own though.

Oh and it is pretty clear to see the HUGE disparity between the bluray hardware install base and the sales. The bluray camp (meaning the companies not people here) goes ON AND ON about the 45 trillion PS3s out there yet the sales clearly show that either 90% of all bluray owners rent their movies or that most of the PS3s are not being used for movie watching. Whichever it is it isn't anything to write home about and I'd guess the "real" blu ray install base is not much more than the hd dvd base.

BTW I am an user of both formats (and like both equally) so not like I care...just stating a simple fact.

For the sake of being a fan of HD on disc I'd LOVE it if more PS3 owners like me and many here used it for movies or (going out on a limb and saying most simply rent) bought more discs.

People need to remember that rentals don't do all that much for a format and I'd guess just make studios want to move more and more to a VOD or even a DIVX type service.


I haven't bought any DVD's just rented. I didn't want to start a collection, thought about it 2-3 years ago but knew Blu-ray and HD-DVD were coming out so I just waited. There are only 87 that I am interested in on both formats 46 that I only want to see once 7 on HD-DVD 2 by WB and 41 to own 15 on HD-DVD 5 by WB. I don't own either yet and just over 17% are Universal titles so when I do get a player it will be Blu-ray. But some people cant afford to buy that many, It would take me a while to get all the ones even if I wait for sales at $20 a movie thats over $800 for the ones I want and these are the ones you can currently buy that will take me a while. Even if I had a player at the moment I would probably wouldn't own any but use Netflix or Blockbuster.

http://www.twice.com/article/CA6452048.html

"... last year the chain sold from 100,000 to 125,000 Blu-ray set-top players, not including PlayStation3 ..."

k

It says 2006 calendar year in one sentence and then 100,000 in the next.

Chain could mean all suppliers because the first sentence claims Blu-ray set top boxes (I read all CE's).

Either way 100,000 for 2006 seems high, I think 100,000 through March 2007 seems about right for all CE on BR set top boxes.

k

I believe that the stat is for all Blu-Ray manufacturers, not just Sony.

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It says 2006 calendar year in one sentence and then 100,000 in the next.

Chain could mean all suppliers because the first sentence claims Blu-ray set top boxes (I read all CE's).

Either way 100,000 for 2006 seems high, I think 100,000 through March 2007 seems about right for all CE on BR set top boxes.

k

But that is not what the article says.

Even if i use your interrputation . . . it gets worse!

If the 100,000 is for sales of all CEM's making BD players until 12/31/06 - that's 7 months of sales. - 14,285 per month.

So by the end of May, the total would be 171,428

So the BDA outsold Toshiba by 20,000+ STP's

Wouldn't Sony counter Toshiba's claim - tell them they were smoking dope - that they had in fact outsold Toshiba, by 20,000+ SID.

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Folding at Home is just something for the console to do when you're sleeping. People take it seriously because they hope it will have real medical benefits. Nothing wrong with a little friendly competition that benefits society.

Would you prefer a game list in their sig? Maybe a stat for how many an hours a week they play? What do XBOX players put in their sig? I thought a sig was to advertise something about you, or how you felt? Why is your team number a bad thing?

I don't necessarily think it's a bad thing. Why is buying HD-DVD's or BD's and putting that number in your sig a bad thing? Why don't you ask Tgable since he brought it up and questioned other peoples hobbies and their need to put those stats there.

Funny, I wonder WTF are people dropping $600+ only to put folding@home team ### in their sig.

Is it a contest to see who uses the PS3 the least? :confused:

Funny thing is that is about all I do on my PS3 (although I have been running F@H since long before the PS3 was even announced). I watch an occasional movie on it but mostly it sits there and crunches proteins. I do however have a much cooler sig for my F@H :)


http://www.hardfolding.com/ftag1.php/mem/8597/148.png (http://www.hardfolding.com?go=38&tnum=33&id=8597&type=148)

Sony Chief ponders cut for PS3 (http://www.ft.com/cms/s/c4dfbf38-1ac0-11dc-8bf0-000b5df10621.html)

Sir Howard Stringer, the chairman and chief executive of Sony Corp, said the electronics and entertainment company was trying to “refine” how much it could afford to cut the price of PlayStation 3 gaming consoles, saying there was “no question” consumers wanted the price to be lower.

In an interview with the Financial Times, Sir Howard said rival Nintendo’s game called Wii – which is by far outselling the more expensive PlayStation – was based on a “very good business model” but he saw the two systems as “complementary and supplementary”.

Sony fell short of its PS3 shipment target in the year just ended by 500,000 units, and analysts are expecting the games division to incur a loss of Y60bn ($488m) to Y70bn in the current year. PS3 sales have been lacklustre in Japan and the US, owing to its high price of about $600, and a small selection of software titles.

Sony has a target of shipping 11m consoles this year. With production costs falling, some analysts expect Sony to cut prices by $100 before the crucial Christmas sales period.

“Nintendo Wii has been a successful enterprise, and a very good business model, compared with ours . . . because it’s cheaper,” Mr Stringer said in a video interview. “That [price cuts] is what we are studying at the moment. That’s what we are trying to refine.”

Sir Howard said he expected “energy [in PS3 sales] by Christmas, and then you will begin to see break-out games”. Sony is launching a virtual-world game called Home this year, and up to 30 other games.

Shares in Sony Corp have risen this year as concerns about the company’s profit-ability have eased. Strong sales of televisions, and the recent box office success of Spider-Man 3, have helped improve sentiment.

Why don't you ask Tgable since he brought it up and questioned other peoples hobbies and their need to put those stats there.
Maybe that's the problem. The Folding at Home Team number is not a stat. It's an ID number. That's why they are all in the 50,000 range. People aren't displaying their rank or score, but rather their team number. You need the number if you wish to join a team, and by putting your Team number in your sig, others can go look up your team and decide if they want to join.

...and so, everything is made into a competition... HD DVD vs BD, us vs. them, my protein team vs. your protein team... and so the demographic of films shifts to those of this ilk, and the BD faithful await Spidermen before Lawrences, and are concerned about Pirates over ports of Casablanca. And so it goes, numbers be damned, into another pissing contest at AVS...

Maybe that's the problem. The Folding at Home Team number is not a stat. It's an ID number. That's why they are all in the 50,000 range. People aren't displaying their rank or score, but rather their team number. You need the number if you wish to join a team, and by putting your Team number in your sig, others can go look up your team and decide if they want to join.

People can do whatever they want with their own sig. If I want to put my childrens names in there. It is my right and if the site allows it, I can do it. It is NOT his right to decide what is better for other people, or what sigs are "stupid" and which ones aren't.

Maybe that's the problem. The Folding at Home Team number is not a stat. It's an ID number. That's why they are all in the 50,000 range. People aren't displaying their rank or score, but rather their team number. You need the number if you wish to join a team, and by putting your Team number in your sig, others can go look up your team and decide if they want to join.

Not exactly true. Your team # is the next # on the list when you create a new team. For example if I start team 55678 and then you start on it will be 55679. That being said I fold for team #33 (which is a little distance from 50,000 range :) )

I do agree however that whatever you put in your sig is whatever you want it to be as long as it stays within forum guidelines and rules. Some put their hatred of red or blue. Some encourage alcoholism ;) , others put their Team #. Who cares.....