Hey guys, I am in the market to upgrade my subwoofer something a little bit better for movie. Right now, I am using the athena AS-P4000 right now. I was thinking of getting the Acoustech H100 since my friend owns it and I really like it for movie. However, he's using it in his room and I am not sure how it would perform in my living room. Recently I noticed the elemental designs subwoofers are getting popular and thinking to maybe spending a little bit more money to get it instead of the H100. However, I can't seem to find any review on the lower end A2-250 subwoofer in term of its performance. Is the only difference between the A2-250 and the A2-300 is the driver size (10" vs. 12")? Does anybody done a frequency sweep on the A2-250? Can it go down to 18 hz like the specs stated on the website? According to Craigsub's review, the A2-300 goes below 20 hz with some authority and I'm thinking maybe the A2-250 can go that low but with less output. If I can buy the H100 for $245, is it worth it to spend the extra $55 to get the eD A2-250? My budget is no more than $300. Is there anything else I should consider? Thank you very much.

Hey guys, I am in the market to upgrade my subwoofer something a little bit better for movie. Right now, I am using the athena AS-P4000 right now. I was thinking of getting the Acoustech H100 since my friend owns it and I really like it for movie. However, he's using it in his room and I am not sure how it would perform in my living room. Recently I noticed the elemental designs subwoofers are getting popular and thinking to maybe spending a little bit more money to get it instead of the H100. However, I can't seem to find any review on the lower end A2-250 subwoofer in term of its performance. Is the only difference between the A2-250 and the A2-300 is the driver size (10" vs. 12")? Does anybody done a frequency sweep on the A2-250? Can it go down to 18 hz like the specs stated on the website? According to Craigsub's review, the A2-300 goes below 20 hz with some authority and I'm thinking maybe the A2-250 can go that low but with less output. If I can buy the H100 for $245, is it worth it to spend the extra $55 to get the eD A2-250? My budget is no more than $300. Is there anything else I should consider? Thank you very much.

Well according to the numbers posted on the A2-300 by craigsub, it had more output than the PB10-NSD and played just as deep. I would assume if tuned similar to the A2-300, the A2-250 would be very similar in output to the PB10. Whether as articulate for music would be subjective I would the think the A2-250 would have the upper hand against the H-100 in both output and extension.

That's a Chris, Alex or Ben question...let ED give you an answer directly...should be a winner, but let them tell you why.

I did a little research on both these subs and based on Craigsub's 300 review, reading ED's forum, comparing ED's graph's and receiving feed back from Alex, I found that the 250 will produce almost the same amount of punch as the 300 down to around 20hz or so. Below that the smaller driver starts to fall short, losing about 5db more output at around 18hz. Both subs are very linear, however the 250 has just a slightly flatter bandwidth. The 250 will provide very good performance down to 18hz with spl's at 90+ from around 20hz on up. It will trounce a Bic H-100. It's cleaner, flatter, has better extension, greater output, and well worth the extra bucks. ( Chris, when do I get my check? :D )


Ian

( Chris, when do I get my check? :D )


IanWhen do you get your sub :D ?

When do you get your sub :D ?

When my wife says it's ok or I get a divorce! ;)


Ian :D

Owning both an h100 and the a2-250, the 250 does definitely go lower. Also makes a nice match to their mtm's i got for my bedroom. The only problem with the 250, is that it looks like a truck bedliner. and it's also bigger than the h100.

I did a little research on both these subs and based on Craigsub's 300 review, reading ED's forum, comparing ED's graph's and receiving feed back from Alex, I found that the 250 will produce almost the same amount of punch as the 300 down to around 20hz or so. Below that the smaller driver starts to fall short, losing about 5db more output at around 18hz. Both subs are very linear, however the 250 has just a slightly flatter bandwidth. The 250 will provide very good performance down to 18hz with spl's at 90+ from around 20hz on up. It will trounce a Bic H-100. It's cleaner, flatter, has better extension, greater output, and well worth the extra bucks. ( Chris, when do I get my check? :D )


Ian

Thank for the detailed reply. I was hoping the same thing. I was going to ask about how linear the 250 performs and you just answered my question :). From what you've said, it seems to be an excellent bang for the buck subwoofer. I wonder what accounts for the flatter bandwidth compare to the A2-300?


Owning both an h100 and the a2-250, the 250 does definitely go lower. Also makes a nice match to their mtm's i got for my bedroom. The only problem with the 250, is that it looks like a truck bedliner. and it's also bigger than the h100.


Lol, almost everybody said the same thing about the look of the eD. How bad does it looks in person? I guess you got to cut the line some where between look and performance. Maybe eD just want to make it looks unique :D. Since you owned both, how does the eD 250 performs for music?

From what you've said, it seems to be an excellent bang for the buck subwoofer. I wonder what accounts for the flatter bandwidth compare to the A2-300?

The difference is very slight, it's really a mute point, so I wouldn't be concerned about it.

Lol, almost everybody said the same thing about the look of the eD. How bad does it looks in person? I guess you got to cut the line some where between look and performance. Maybe eD just want to make it looks unique


I discussed this with Chris and the possibility of making it taller and less deep, however the long tuned port is what probably helps provide the deep extension characteristic. If you can place it next to a couch it won't be all that noticeable. See ED's photo gallery of it.


Ian

How would you describe the eD performance in term of music? Do you know if there is any wait time when ordering the subwoofer from eD website since I know it is custom built on order? Regarding the aesthetic look of the eD subwoofers, I don't think the size of the box matters much but rather its physical look. Maybe eD should sands the box down more and and give it a coat or two of paint and then a clear coat to make it looks better. That will definitely look more pleasing to the eyes and add to the nice home decor. Also, they should offer other colors beside black such as cherry or possibly tan or white that could blend them in with the furniture. However, I understand that doing those things may add more labor time and cost and thus means more cost and possibly an increase the price of their products. If so, then eD may have to find other ways without increasing their price. Regarding the dimension size of the box and how it looks, they should stay with what's best for performance even if as it means leaving it as is since it adds uniqueness to the eD brand.

The sub sounds great for music, aside from some noise created by the floorboards I know it's rattling(I have it on the 2nd floor), on the concrete slab downstairs it sounded great. I'll have to pick up a gramma pad for it I suppose, but that isn't the subs fault.

If you don't mind it looking like a truck bedliner, it's ok. It looks like a very nice even and somewhat smooth bedliner, not particularly rough but definitely textured. But looks wise, the h100 has it beat with the gloss black top and bottom and painted black sides.

The funny thing is, the black paint job on their a6-5t5 mtm's I have looks great. It's almost a nuisance that their own speakers don't even match. Considering that they don't keep these boxes stocked, you'd think they would have some other finishes available for a higher cost. It doesn't have to be some crazy exotic wood veneers, paint colors would be nice.

I actually like the dimensions of it though, it fit perfectly where I needed it, but of course that's going to be entirely up to the listener.

The finish looks very commercial. Just curious Prisoner1138, why do you call it a truck bedliner? Is it the length you are refereing to? To me it looks more like a large black brick.

Ian :D

Because it looks and feels like a spray on truck bed liner, it's the tough black rubbery texture of one.

If you set an ED sub in the bed of the truck in the link, you wouldn't see the sub :P

http://www.rhinolinings.com/_images/large/0222171309truck-openbed.jpg

I really can't imagine I could take a better picture than what ED has below to try and demonstrate the texture

http://www.edesignaudio.com/edv2/gallery/272_large.jpg

If I were to ever need a subwoofer with a 3,000 pound towing capacity, that I can drop 2,000 pounds of bricks into, and look like it should have a 5.7L v8 Hemi with room for 4 burly construction workers and tools, I'd get an ED sub.

Just imagine a commercial for a big truck, and instead of a truck pictures an ED sub instead :D

It doesn't look bad or unprofessional, just very manly.

It doesn't look bad or unprofessional, just very manly. :cool:

What kind of soap do you use to clean it with, LAVA? :D


Ian

What about built quality of eD? I understand it comes with 5 years warranty. Will the sub last on me?

What about built quality of eD? I understand it comes with 5 years warranty. Will the sub last on me?
I know my eD sub weighed in at 115lbs, rock solid build, truck bed liner is how i would describe it. On the plus side it is as scratch resistant as a truck bed liner so no worries with the kiddies. And eD is not new to speaker building, they are just fairly new to HT speaker building.

any new owners of these subs that care to share their experiences?

R you looking for the truck bedliner I will recommend qwikliner.It Extends the life of your vehicle and increase the NADA / Blue Book re-sale value with a real sprayed-on bedliner.QWIK Liner is a permanently bonded protective barrier between your vehicle and the outside environment, protecting your investment from rust, dents, scratches, and chemical corrosion.

I have applied qwikliner on my truck .See the stuff it is awesome and its price is less than rhino and line-x.