So I had this idea for the promotion of HDD in general. Show the public that HDD is special. Release day and date movies on HDD 1 to 2 weeks before the DVD is released.

Make it a status symbol (which it really is) and continue this policy forever.

This would really fire the first shot in the "big war" - the war between HDD and DVD.

HDD = Hard Disc Drive ? Now that is a thought. 10 movies on a 300 GB external USB drive. :)

How about using HD optical or at least HDM (Hi Def Media).

I am also for the usage of HDDs for movie distribution. The Blu-Boys go on and on about how 50 GB is needed for all movies irregardless of length. Well why not use a 500 GB HDD for a single movie! It has 10x the capacity and much higher bandwidth!

HDD = Hard Disc Drive ? Now that is a thought. 10 movies on a 300 GB external USB drive. :)

How about using HD optical or at least HDM (Hi Def Media).

How about your opinion on the idea? Is it not a High Definition Disc?

I am also for the usage of HDDs for movie distribution. The Blu-Boys go on and on about how 50 GB is needed for all movies irregardless of length. Well why not use a 500 GB HDD for a single movie! It has 10x the capacity and much higher bandwidth!

If you are going to take your ball and go home then take your ball and go home already.

This is ridiculous from a supporter who claims that 30gb is more than enough.

If you are going to take your ball and go home then take your ball and go home already.

This is ridiculous from a supporter who claims that 30gb is more than enough.

Well then I'll be getting better HD movies since my HDHDD movies have 500 GB of room.

Next time I type something that is clearly sarcastic I'll put "SARCASM AHEAD" in the largest font available. I'll even throw in a few asterisks :rolleyes:

Unbelievable!

Not one post to respond to the idea?

How about your opinion on the idea? Is it not a High Definition Disc?The idea was discussed a year ago here on AVS IIRC. Sure I think it is a good idea for the studios to promote the new higher def formats so we get the quality early and the studios can charge more and get more money from the early, well heeled, purchasers. :D

As for the HDD acronym as an engineer I felt I must point out the problem with it since we have so many confusing multiple meaning acronyms in use today. :(

Inbelievable!

Not one post to respond to the idea?

Releasing BD early could be a good move but it could also introduce problems.

You would have to educate retailers so they could educate consumers on the fact that this movie that came out today won't work on your player, you need to wait two weeks, or buy a new player.

Releasing BD early could be a good move but it could also introduce problems.

You would have to educate retailers so they could educate consumers on the fact that this movie that came out today won't work on your player, you need to wait two weeks, or buy a new player.

Great idea (and it holds true for HD DVD also) because it gives the retailer the opportunity to show the consumer the differences between High Def Disc (happy now?) and DVD. Any chance to sell a consumer on the new formats is a win for them.

Lee I enjoy reading your posts, you do a good job of stepping back and taking a look at the big picture WRt the future of HDDVD.

I think this is a great idea, and would work even better for BluRay.

"Coming June 12th on BluRay, and June 19th on DVD. "


It would probably not work as well for HDDVD, since many folks are already confused about it versus DVD anyway.

"Coming June 12th on HDDVD and June 19th on DVD"

This does not seem to have the clear differentiation that these are two completely incompatible formats, and it would likely encourage DVD owners to purchase the wrong disc.

HDD = Hard Disc Drive ?

Might as well. ;) They're already using HD for HD DVD. Funny thing is the HD in HD DVD doesn't even stand for high definition yet they use this abbreviation anyway. People said Blu-ray having a name that rolls off the tongue isn't a plus because no one will know what it is. Yet even the HD DVD enthusiasts can't find a way to abbreviate their format without causing confusion. (Don't take this too seriously folks, I'm only poking fun. It's all good!)

I do agree with the OP's idea of releasing the high definition disc a couple of weeks ahead of the standard DVD version. That'll certainly get more people's attention. Also, awhile back there were some articles posted here mentioning possible high def disc releases of brand new movies on the same day as the theatrical release. Now that would be sweet!

Did early releases happen in the DVD/VHS transition? Obviously at some point most movies stopped being released on VHS, but while VHS was still actively supported did this happen?

If BR wins, I'm not buying in for my movies unless BD+ gets beaten like a dead horse. And then I'm not paying more than $20/movie. I usually pay less than that now, and I see not reason to change.

If AACS and BD+ stand tall, its SD DVD ftw. ;)

If BR wins, I'm not buying in for my movies unless BD+ gets beaten like a dead horse. And then I'm not paying more than $20/movie. I usually pay less than that now, and I see not reason to change.

If AACS and BD+ stand tall, its SD DVD ftw. ;)

So you won't buy the movies until they are available for download?

You do know that the studios will replace bad discs right?

The only chance there is for success is having the prices of media almost the same as DVD and reselling catalog. If that doesn't happen, it's over.

If BR wins, I'm not buying in for my movies unless BD+ gets beaten like a dead horse. And then I'm not paying more than $20/movie. I usually pay less than that now, and I see not reason to change.

If AACS and BD+ stand tall, its SD DVD ftw. ;)


The movie studios don't want BD+ to be broken. If its broken, they'll just refrain from high def altogether. I'd prefer high def with security and allowed managed copy than no high def at all. Fox proves that if the security's not there, they don't play ball. You can say, "Well, they lose my money.." Nah. They don't. They'll just do DVD's and give you standard def to pirate and download/upload.

I prefer high def with restrictions over no high def at all, which is the only ballgame a lot of movie makers are going to play. Sorry to be the one to bring you back to the real world where companies want to make money and control the distribution of their creations. Managed copy gives you all the benefits of what you want without the unrestricted chaos that happens when there's no DRM.

Plus, HD DVD's are not cheaper than BD's. Most BD's I've gotten have been at the $20 range, including POTC 1 & 2 that included two DL discs a piece. Can't beat that at this early in a format's life. Hell, DVD's weren't this good within a year of its release. If only they had been!

I always though releasing day and date releases on HDM before DVD was going to be used during this format war. Though with current developments it looks like it won't be needed.

You're absolutely right that it would help HDMs adoption over DVD. Other ideas, I think the cases could nicer looking to tie in with being a status symbol. They could release special features and commentaries only on the HDM versions, whereas the DVD would be the movie only.

So I had this idea for the promotion of HDD in general. Show the public that HDD is special. Release day and date movies on HDD 1 to 2 weeks before the DVD is released.

Make it a status symbol (which it really is) and continue this policy forever.

This would really fire the first shot in the "big war" - the war between HDD and DVD.

The best thing that can happen for the adoption of HD media is an end to the format war. Once that happens the winning format will grow with the growing installed base of HDTVs. Early releases will not be needed.

The movie studios don't want BD+ to be broken. Like that means much. Do you think BD+ will stand the heat, especially if BR becomes popular? And that, IMO, is the big *if*. BD+ will likely be circumvented, and when it happens, I'll be grinning. *IF* BR becomes popular and other studios are making money off it, I really doubt Fox is going to stay on the sidelines. Sorry to bring you back to the real world where studios will jump at the chance to make money. :rolleyes:

The more popular BR becomes, the more likely BD+ will fail.

How about your opinion on the idea? Is it not a High Definition Disc?

everyone uses HDD for hard disk, so it is confusing. That is why I like HDOM (HD Optical media)


as to the idea the problem is that it does not work. 1-2 weeks earlier won't get anyone’s attention and 1-2 months is too far away to use the same advertisement so HDOM loses out.

So you won't buy the movies until they are available for download?


:)

Who wants to buy disc's anyway HD VOD lets do this!!!

lol

Who wants to buy disc's anyway HD VOD lets do this!!!

lol


I'm with you, just don't make me pay for a cable / satellite / FIOS subscription to have access to HD VOD....that's additional fees that make watching 3 movies a month cost over $100 :eek: (Might as well do blind buys)

I think Lee's idea is a good start to help both HD DVD and Blu-Ray with the average consumer. But I also wouldn't stop there. I think the only way that J6P is going to go to the high definition route is to blast him in the stores with it. The little cardboard clip on signs for HD DVD and Blu-Ray stuck on the shelves with the movies isn't going to do it. The B&M's need to start showing the aisles with all the bells and whistles they can. Your BB and CC stores should get the idea from the studios and the support (money) to make it an experience to go into the HD area. Seperation from the SD disks and at the forefront of the stores will help. I know if you go to a theme park the ride with the biggest,loudest, and shiniest displays are the most crowded. This needs to be done with the HD material.

"Look dad, What are those flashing lights over there?"
"Let's go see what it is"

That is how it leaves the niche market it is now.

I have an update. Amother article from Video Business that also says that Toshiba will install HD DVD drives in all it's laptops begining 2008:

The announcement comes a couple weeks after the company said it would include an HD DVD drive in all of its notebook computers beginning in 2008.

http://www.videobusiness.com/article/CA6453116.html?q=toshiba+%28laptops%29

I have an update. Amother article from Video Business that also says that Toshiba will install HD DVD drives in all it's laptops begining 2008:

The announcement comes a couple weeks after the company said it would include an HD DVD drive in all of its notebook computers beginning in 2008.

http://www.videobusiness.com/article/CA6453116.html?q=toshiba+%28laptops%29

That would be a great way to fast track HD optical media in computers. Simply include a HD DVD or Blu-Ray drive in all PCs.

That would be a great way to fast track HD optical media in computers. Simply include a HD DVD or Blu-Ray drive in all PCs.

Yes it would. The numbers are staggerring and you only need a small portion of the market.

The 2006 laptop market was over 100 million sold.

Toshiba sold about 8.5 million (?) in 2006. If they can sell 9 million in 2007 then around 9.5 million in 2008.

That's about 750,000 HD DVD drives in laptops per month and business doesn't order in the last qtr of a year. They order every month with a small peak during christmas

As you mention BRD - has Sony announced they will do this yet? I haven't read anything like that.

I have an update. Amother article from Video Business that also says that Toshiba will install HD DVD drives in all it's laptops begining 2008:

The announcement comes a couple weeks after the company said it would include an HD DVD drive in all of its notebook computers beginning in 2008.

http://www.videobusiness.com/article/CA6453116.html?q=toshiba+%28laptops%29


Lee, it's still not a direct quote. Go back to the Reuters article from June 5th do we have any new information? Is there any indication that the information used in this article comes from a new source? NO. Don't spam your old posts just because you are using this tired news in another thread.

Lee, it's still not a direct quote. Go back to the Reuters article from June 5th do we have any new information? Is there any indication that the information used in this article comes from a new source? NO. Don't spam your old posts just because you are using this tired news in another thread.

You may poo poo it all you want . The only reason you are doing so is because of the impact this may have on the format war and it is obvious you are a BRD supporter.

I have offered a second source - a respectable source - Video Business.

So like I said in the other thread - in 6 months or less - we will see if this is an "aim" or a fact.

I am betting it is a fact . . . you say different basing your entire arguement on a single word that does not have a negative meaning. . . . "aim"

Versus 2 articles that say "in all"

Lower the Prices
;)

You may poo poo it all you want . The only reason you are doing so is because of the impact this may have on the format war and it is obvious you are a BRD supporter.

I have offered a second source - a respectable source - Video Business.

So like I said in the other thread - in 6 months or less - we will see if this is an "aim" or a fact.

I am betting it is a fact . . . you say different basing your entire arguement on a single word that does not have a negative meaning. . . . "aim"

Versus 2 articles that say "in all"

You've cited two articles that offer no more information than the Reuters article and I would venture a guess knowing how the media works that the Reuters article is the source for the pertinent information in those other articles. Reuters, AP wire, Knight Ridder, if you weren't there in person for a press con you just pick up their summary and write your article based on it.

You've cited two articles that offer no more information than the Reuters article and I would venture a guess knowing how the media works that the Reuters article is the source for the pertinent information in those other articles. Reuters, AP wire, Knight Ridder, if you weren't there in person for a press con you just pick up their summary and write your article based on it.

And you have cited none that say they won't.

Since I think it's pretty much an absolute certainty that no studio would do this until a HD format is indeed already beating DVD...I don't think this would work. Wouldn't be very effective since nobody will be willing to take the risk that is inherent to this idea.

Save for I suppose...Sony. But even then probably not...because quite frankly, I think it'd be a bad idea. They'd lose more money than they'd gain, since HDM I believe can succeed without such moves. It just will take quite a few years.

Lower the Prices
;)

Probably. But the problem is while most studios would like to see things migrate to hidef discs (what I call them) they don't want it bad enough to really subsidize the darn things yet. (except maybe Sony)

And I think Lee's idea is great. I'd even wager that, if well advertised, they could get an extra $5 premium for folks wanting these "early release versions", then drop the price in a predictable fashion during the regular release. However I'm betting that other people would buy them that way, not me.

- Tom

Lee, like the idea of releasing HDM's 1-2 weeks earlier than dvd. Should be feasible - all discs (dvds and HDMs) can be sent out at the same time, but stores will be instructed to release for sale/rental on different dates.

I have some comments on your Toshiba laptop remarks though:

I have an update. Amother article from Video Business that also says that Toshiba will install HD DVD drives in all it's laptops begining 2008:

The announcement comes a couple weeks after the company said it would include an HD DVD drive in all of its notebook computers beginning in 2008.

http://www.videobusiness.com/article/CA6453116.html?q=toshiba+%28laptops%29

As discussed in other threads (to death), even if Toshiba does include it on all laptops (which is HIGHLY unlikely), a ridiculously low percentage of those will be connected to a hdtv. (While I don't argue that the screens on the laptops would show the increased rez, again highly unlikely the family sits down around the 15" to enjoy a hddvd movie). It is also a pipedream that all those laptops will have full hdmi/component outputs and write capabilities.

Plus, how is HDDVD going to brag about attach rates after the Toshiba laptops hit the market?

EDIT: PS: Lee, not sure if you were one of the ones that said the drives would be able to write as well, but someone did in other threads.

Since I think it's pretty much an absolute certainty that no studio would do this until a HD format is indeed already beating DVD...I don't think this would work. Wouldn't be very effective since nobody will be willing to take the risk that is inherent to this idea.

Save for I suppose...Sony. But even then probably not...because quite frankly, I think it'd be a bad idea. They'd lose more money than they'd gain, since HDM I believe can succeed without such moves. It just will take quite a few years.

Toshiba is a laptop maker (among other things) - they are not a studio. HD DVD already has studios backing it.

Lee, like the idea of releasing HDM's 1-2 weeks earlier than dvd. Should be feasible - all discs (dvds and HDMs) can be sent out at the same time, but stores will be instructed to release for sale/rental on different dates.

I have some comments on your Toshiba laptop remarks though:

As discussed in other threads (to death), even if Toshiba does include it on all laptops (which is HIGHLY unlikely), a ridiculously low percentage of those will be connected to a hdtv. (While I don't argue that the screens on the laptops would show the increased rez, again highly unlikely the family sits down around the 15" to enjoy a hddvd movie). It is also a pipedream that all those laptops will have full hdmi/component outputs and write capabilities.

Plus, how is HDDVD going to brag about attach rates after the Toshiba laptops hit the market?

EDIT: PS: Lee, not sure if you were one of the ones that said the drives would be able to write as well, but someone did in other threads.

This has NOTHING to do with HDTV's. That was said in the very first post within the article. It is for people who fly and travel.

And yes it was I that said that about the RW in all - it will probably only be in the high end models while all others will receive a HD DVD read/DVD write drive so yes - I was in error on that .

But your "highly doubt it" comment is only comming from you - not the articles or Toshiba's desire to win.

So I see - it's OK if Sony dumps 2 billion in the PS3 but Toshiba putting inexpensive HD DVD drives in all their laptops - that can't happen?

Who are you kidding?

Attach rate? Who care abgout attach rate when 750,000 HD DVD laptops hit the street EVERY MONTH for 12 months. All they care about is selling laptops and selling HD DVD's.

Toshiba is a laptop maker (among other things) - they are not a studio. HD DVD already has studios backing it.

Um...huh? Who said Toshiba was a studio? I'm responding to the OP, not the line of topic about laptops. In which case, I cannot imagine any studio leveraging their content in such a manner...not for HD-DVD or Blu-Ray. I say Sony is the closest possible as they have the most vested interest in either format for any studio...but even them I don't see doing such a thing.

You know . . I just realized I grabbed the wrong thread!

Silly me. I had started two threads - one to release HD DVD's early ( this thread) and another about Toshiba putting HD DVD drive in their laptops -
So I have revived the wrong thread. :eek:

I apologize.

So how about those Yankee's? :D

Happens to the best of us.

are people really going to rush out an pay a premium (any premium) so they can watch HD on their 15" or 17" lap top screens?

If their is bundled software that makes connecting the laptop to their larger displays at home and using the laptop as a HD DVD player more easy and more simple- than maybe people would be exicted to be getting a no fuss/ no muss HD player as a bonus...otherwise I don't see the point. 99% of the people using these will continue to buy and watch the much cheaper and more ubiquitous dvd version...you know, the format they sell in the checkout aisle of the supermarket.

This has NOTHING to do with HDTV's. That was said in the very first post within the article. It is for people who fly and travel.


Ok, so you limit it to people who fly/travel. I guess Toshiba will have a fair market share in that segment. (That said, I think that is a very low percentage of the movie viewing market, and if that is the only playback device they have for hddvd they won't buy movies, only rent them.)


But your "highly doubt it" comment is only comming from you - not the articles or Toshiba's desire to win.


I still think that this will be optional in a good portion of the Toshiba's, but I guess we'll see that in another 6 months or so.


So I see - it's OK if Sony dumps 2 billion in the PS3 but Toshiba putting inexpensive HD DVD drives in all their laptops - that can't happen?

Who are you kidding?

Sure it can happen. But if they do, it won't help their marketshare in the way ps3 did for Sony. Trust me, if Sony made an announcement that all their laptops would contain BR, I would feel the same way as I do about Toshiba's strategy. Laptops is not where you win the war, or even win a smaller battle.



Attach rate? Who care abgout attach rate when 750,000 HD DVD laptops hit the street EVERY MONTH for 12 months. All they care about is selling laptops and selling HD DVD's.

Finally seeing the light? That is what the BR camp has said for months, but HDDVD has been bringing this up all the time. Well glad to see at least when that battle is lost, it is out of the way and won't be brought up again!

War???? It's the exact same companies selling both both SD DVD and HDD! There is no war.