I've seen standard vs HD/BR, but I'm wanting to see some standard vs up-converted.

I know that it varies from player to player to TV to TV, but I'd like to see some.

you really can't tell by looking at a photograph

What ends up being noticeable in person?

What ends up being noticeable in person?

WIth my gear (Oppo 981 and 971 with a Westinghouse 37w3) I see better grayscale, detail, deinterlacing and scaling. Other combinations of gear may give different results.

It's not that 480p is terrible or unwatchable, but doing A/B testing between 480p and various upscaled resolutions, I can see the difference. It's enough that I want it. SD-DVD has only 720x480 pixels (NTSC) to start with, so we are trying to squeeze as much quality out of it as possible when displaying on a HD screen.

-Bill

So do you think that I will really see a difference between standard and upscaled on my Vizio with a Zenith?

If standard were 0 and HD/BR were 100, what range can an upconverted picture be?

So do you think that I will really see a difference between standard and upscaled on my Vizio with a Zenith?

If standard were 0 and HD/BR were 100, what range can an upconverted picture be?

It's hard to predict. Some people try all sorts of gear and see no differences, others will tell you to "pull the trigger on this bad boy that blows everything else out of the water!" I'm in the middle.

I don't have an HD player, so can't give a rating. If a title you want is available in HD then obviously you want it in that format. If not, then getting the best out of SD-DVD is all we can do, regardless of the comparative rating.

I will say this: on quality titles, I'm getting images where I find myself saying "I can't believe there are only 480 vertical pixels in the source."

-Bill

Did a comparson btwn BR and upscaled SD DVD. Had a relative bring over his PS3. Compared his BR versions of both POTCs and XMEN3 to my SD DVDs from my upscaling Sony NS75H. TV was a Hitachi 51F59A. Both players fed to the same HDMI input (my bro has a 2-1 HDMI switcher that he uses with his "1 HDMI in only" TV).

The diff was visable, but in no way overwhelming. And obviously less as you back away from the screen. Obvious edge to BR, of course, in terms of the occasional "3D"-ness of shot HD shots. But upscaled DVD looked almost as good--so close that I'm in no hurry to pick a side in the format battle.

Did a comparson btwn BR and upscaled SD DVD. Had a relative bring over his PS3. Compared his BR versions of both POTCs and XMEN3 to my SD DVDs from my upscaling Sony NS75H. TV was a Hitachi 51F59A. Both players fed to the same HDMI input (my bro has a 2-1 HDMI switcher that he uses with his "1 HDMI in only" TV).

The diff was visable, but in no way overwhelming. And obviously less as you back away from the screen. Obvious edge to BR, of course, in terms of the occasional "3D"-ness of shot HD shots. But upscaled DVD looked almost as good--so close that I'm in no hurry to pick a side in the format battle.

I have the NS75H and a Blu-ray player. I think "almost as good" means something different to you than it does to me.

Chris

Did a comparson btwn BR and upscaled SD DVD. Had a relative bring over his PS3. Compared his BR versions of both POTCs and XMEN3 to my SD DVDs from my upscaling Sony NS75H. TV was a Hitachi 51F59A. Both players fed to the same HDMI input (my bro has a 2-1 HDMI switcher that he uses with his "1 HDMI in only" TV).

The diff was visable, but in no way overwhelming. And obviously less as you back away from the screen. Obvious edge to BR, of course, in terms of the occasional "3D"-ness of shot HD shots. But upscaled DVD looked almost as good--so close that I'm in no hurry to pick a side in the format battle.

On larger screens (92"+) the difference is night and day. The Blu-ray image is vastly superior in every respect. (on my Sony 36" CRT the difference is like you say - visable, but in no way overwhelming)

I have a 60inch and a good hd dvd blows away great sd dvd.

Well of course. All I know is that my friend bought a Vizio VX37 and played Resident Evil through his PS2 via RCA and it looked like crap. Granted, it's on his PS2 through RCA, but still.

I'm just wondering if I'm going to see a big difference with an upconverter via HDMI on a Vizio L37 compared to what I saw on his?

whats the size on it?? I'd say anything over 32inch you should start to see the benefit of hd, bigger the better. 20-27incher, the difference would be so minimal wouldn't bother buying all new equipment.

He had it on a 37 and mine will be on a 37.

I have the NS75H and a Blu-ray player. I think "almost as good" means something different to you than it does to me.

Chris


As I said, BR was better, but not "VHS vs DVD" better. And certainly not enough to get me to choose one side (or both right now) in the format war.

If/when settled, however, I will certainly make the jump to the new format of choice.

Did a comparson btwn BR and upscaled SD DVD. Had a relative bring over his PS3. Compared his BR versions of both POTCs and XMEN3 to my SD DVDs from my upscaling Sony NS75H. TV was a Hitachi 51F59A. Both players fed to the same HDMI input (my bro has a 2-1 HDMI switcher that he uses with his "1 HDMI in only" TV).

The diff was visable, but in no way overwhelming. And obviously less as you back away from the screen. Obvious edge to BR, of course, in terms of the occasional "3D"-ness of shot HD shots. But upscaled DVD looked almost as good--so close that I'm in no hurry to pick a side in the format battle.

That sounds about right, objectively speaking. Of course real HD devotees will disagree and try to make out you are insane.

Arent we missing the point.Maybe Im wrong but didnt he ask for difference between a standard dvd picture and upconversion of the standard picture,not full hd vs. upconverted.

Bump!! I would like to see pics of Standard Def DVD vs an Upcoverted Def DVD...

Bump!! I would like to see pics of Standard Def DVD vs an Upcoverted Def DVD...

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=10834667&&#post10834667

-Bill

No one has mentioned that Hitachi 51F59A is a relatively small 51" widescreen CRT rear projection set. Due to the performance limitations of its CRT guns, maximum visible resolution for that set is probably about 900x1080i. If the set is slightly out of adjustment (CRT based rear projection TV's need periodic calibration to look their best), that could also affect the visible resolution of the picture displayed. Also, the benefits of upscaling DVD players are not readily apparent with CRT direct view tube TV's and CRT rear projection sets. This has been discussed many times on this forum.

Point is, on larger fixed pixel digital displays with 1920x1080 native resolution there is a noticeable improvement most of the time when using a good upscaling player, especially compared to component video 480p. And definitely a very big visible differennce between HD sources and upscaled DVD's.

See the picture attached to post # 1:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=878396

I've seen standard vs HD/BR, but I'm wanting to see some standard vs up-converted.

"Standard" is automatically upconverted in all HDTVs, except CRTs. What you're really comparing is "upconverted by the DVD player" verses "upconverted by the TV". It's quite reasonable for $2000 tv to have a better video processor than a $100 upscaling DVD player. I've watched the Digital Video Essentials DVD and seen the tv's processor outperform the DVD player's processor on the test patterns, in which case the upconverting player was actually worst than the standard player! And you can't judge by brand either, Samsung and Sony stamp their names on some very low quality upconverting DVD players. It depends so much on the equipment, that other people's photos aren't going to tell you what's best with your equipment.

I suggest that you get an upconverting player from a store with a good return policy, and compare it at both 480 and 720/1080 resolutions. Watch the edges around text, watch the detail in tree leaves, watch for step-patterns in diagonal motion. Or better yet, buy a DVD with test patterns intended for evaluating picture quality. The Digial Video Essentials DVD may be a bit overwhelming, but there's another (unfortunately I forget the name at the moment) which talks you through the test patterns.