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"And finally, I believe the title Bill alluded to, but did not say in his article will be the original Star Trek series, which we'll see by the end of the year with a ton of very cool interactive tools. CBS will be distributing the original TV series through Paramount. Surprisingly, Star Trek will be exclusively released HD DVD and as we all know Paramount is a neutral studio."

I'm in. I know this was promised some time ago. Like to see the the movies as well.

Just the series or the movies also ?

The problem is that it will be the newer "versions". No thanks.

Oh please, Wrath of Khan, if nothing else. And Star Trek VI.

Oh please, Wrath of Khan, if nothing else. And Star Trek VI.

Robert was discussing Star Trek TOS - not the movies.

Correct as usual Lee. ^ CBS is releasing the original TV series with William Shatner.

-Robert

I wonder if these are the episodes they are showing now. They did edit out quite a bit of each show to accomodate more commercials. Will they re-edit for HD DVD to include the missing footage? If they do then they'll get more sales from fans, as they are getting something extra over what's is currently being played.

David, I agree and would think we'll see the un-cut original series, just like 24 on DVD.

-Robert

Man, I hope so. I love Star Trek, but never saw a reason to blow 100 bucks per season on just a normal dvd set. No matter the price, if it's in HD, I think my geeky side will FORCE me to buy it. Hopefully something is announced soon, though. HD-DVD could definitely use some good official news.

This was announced back in January. From an article in the Hollywood Reporter (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/business/news/e3ica23d1ee9d4a1835f97002a2524dddc3):CBS Home Entertainment also will take the lead in other home entertainment initiatives, including the launch of high-definition discs. Like Paramount, CBS will release titles in the Blu-ray Disc and HD DVD formats. First up: the original "Star Trek" TV series, rolled out on DVD/HD-DVD combo disc in the fourth quarter.

"The reason we chose to do that is to give us the ability to make high-definition transfers of the show available to people who don't yet have high-definition players," Ross said.

A Blu-ray Disc release has not been scheduled.I don't know if they'll use it, but couldn't they have used seamless branches to let viewers decide if they wanted to see the old special effects, or the new ones?

Scott

Robert was discussing Star Trek TOS - not the movies.

Yeah, I know. I can dream, can't I?

Yeah, I know. I can dream, can't I?

Just watched Star Trek IV on Cinemax HD . . one word to describe the image:

OUTSTANDING!

OAR, Razor sharp, deep blacks - you can clearly see they were using VGA resolution on all the stuff, on the monitors in the bridge scenes

Only problem was Dolby Surround - No DD 5.1

Paramount announcing neutrality would quickly diffuse the Blockbuster issue

Paramount announcing neutrality would quickly diffuse the Blockbuster issue

Qué?

Why combo discs, though? They've already double-dipped the original series on DVD (first, individual DVD's with 2 espisodes each on them, then the complete season box sets).

I've got the DVD box sets of the 3 seasons, but I won't get the new HD DVD versions if they are too expensive b/c of the combo issue. BTW, the DVD sets have real nice PQ.

I don't mind the basic idea of combos, but I do not like the extra price.

Why combo discs, though? They've already double-dipped the original series on DVD (first, individual DVD's with 2 espisodes each on them, then the complete season box sets).

I've got the DVD box sets of the 3 seasons, but I won't get the new HD DVD versions if they are too expensive b/c of the combo issue. BTW, the DVD sets have real nice PQ.

I don't mind the basic idea of combos, but I do not like the extra price.

I think because the only release of TOS with the new effects will be the HD DVD/DVD combo release... At least until a Blu-Ray release sometime next year. They figure Star Trek fans will buy the combo release even without an HD player.

...It's actually not a bad strategy, it might mean more HD DVD player sales.

I wonder if they will do the new HD DVD versions with updated effects on one side, and the original with old school special effects on the SD DVD side?

Or will they have only the new updated cuts on both SD and HD DVD sides?

Was the original series Widescreen or 4/3

I agree and would think we'll see the un-cut original series, just like 24 on DVD.
Was 24 cut on TV or something? What did you mean by this? Aren't most shows that are released on DVD "uncut?" Is there some sort of re-issue of 24 I don't know about?

1.33. It was WAY BEFORE the days of widescreen TV.

I think because the only release of TOS with the new effects will be the HD DVD/DVD combo release... At least until a Blu-Ray release sometime next year. They figure Star Trek fans will buy the combo release even without an HD player.

...It's actually not a bad strategy, it might mean more HD DVD player sales.

This is of course if the combo discs don't cause as many problems as they already have been doing with A1, A2 and XA2's with various firmwares including the most recent ones...It could turn off many people to the format as well if they get a batch where the third disc for example doesn't play on their machine for whatever reason...As a fan I would probably buy all of these discs regardless of which format they come on, however I am not a fan of combo discs since over 50% of them I have tried have had major issues on all of my Toshiba's. I have been one to avoid combo's and feel they have helped with HD-DVD losing this format battle and having Blockbuster go Blu-Ray exclusive. I just hope Paramount has both the new version and the original version of ST: TOS in HD and I'll be happy.. If not, have the original version in SD-DVD and the new version in HD but at least have both. Star Trek I thru VI would be great too, however I would definitely want to see it come out using Blu-Ray specs for these films. Boy do I wish Disney owned the rights to these films so their encoding team could get things done the right way.. The Cinemax HD version of Star Trek IV was nice, however it could be a lot better and I'm hoping it gets a tier 0 transfer that looks as good as it can...

This is of course if the combo discs don't cause as many problems as they already have been doing with A1, A2 and XA2's with various firmwares including the most recent ones...
I have 4 combo disks - not a single problem with numerous playbacks.

Reports of this as a widespread issue seem to be overstated.

I'd love to see all the Star Trek content in HD DVD exclusive...another thorn in the BD side is always a plus. :cool:

Paramount announcing neutrality would quickly diffuse the Blockbuster issue

Uhh....

What?

Paramount has always been format neutral.

On the other hand, Paramount announcing exclusivity would be diffuse the Blockbuster issue, but given the Nielson numbers that's not terribly likely.

I have also had no problems with combo releases either. This makes perfect sense to me as Paramount would have to release one set and you can play it on whatever equipment you have. It may also spur some to upgrade from DVD to HD DVD.

Both the original series and the entire movie collection are must-buys for me. Even if they're combos LOL.

Paramount announcing neutrality would quickly diffuse the Blockbuster issue
Paramount IS neutral. Don't see where you're going with this. Assuming you meant announcing EXCLUSIVITY:

This release (if/when it happens) is a CBS action, not a Paramount one. CBS decides what format to release on, and they contract Paramount to carry out their wishes. The same thing could conceivably happen with Fox and the Star Wars movies. Fox doesn't own them, Lucas does, and Fox releases them at George's pleasure. If he wants them in both formats, they release in both formats. If he wants them HD exclusive, Fox does that. They have no say in the matter, just like Paramount has no say here.

I love Star Trek. This would be great !

This release (if/when it happens) is a CBS action, not a Paramount one. CBS decides what format to release on, and they contract Paramount to carry out their wishes. The same thing could conceivably happen with Fox and the Star Wars movies. Fox doesn't own them, Lucas does, and Fox releases them at George's pleasure. If he wants them in both formats, they release in both formats. If he wants them HD exclusive, Fox does that. They have no say in the matter, just like Paramount has no say here.

Correct with everything you said, other than I believe we will see Star Trek for sure and have very cool network and interactive HD DVD/HDi features.

-Robert

If comments made back in January are any indication, I think at best ST: TOS will be a timed exclusive:

"The reason we chose to do that [an HD DVD/DVD combo] is to give us the ability to make high-definition transfers of the show available to people who don’t yet have high-definition players," Ken Ross, Executive VP of CBS Home Entertainment told The Hollywood Reporter.

A Blu-ray release for 'Trek' has not yet been scheduled, although after contacting Paramount, word to High-Def Digest is that the studio remains fully and equally supportive of both formats. So we can expect to see 'The Original Series,' and all other future CBS titles, on Blu-ray as well.

Source (http://www.highdefdigest.com/tags/show/Star_Trek)

I think because the only release of TOS with the new effects will be the HD DVD/DVD combo release... At least until a Blu-Ray release sometime next year. They figure Star Trek fans will buy the combo release even without an HD player.

...It's actually not a bad strategy, it might mean more HD DVD player sales.


Yeah, but I'm wondering about price. Anyone know what the set will retail at? I'd love to get the set as I've only seen a couple of episodes with the redone FX, but this will not be a "must buy" for me like Battlestar Galactica: Season One will be.

In the past, Paramount has tended to release Star Trek DVD sets at very high retail prices.

A Blu-ray release for 'Trek' has not yet been scheduled, although after contacting Paramount, word to High-Def Digest is that the studio remains fully and equally supportive of both formats. So we can expect to see 'The Original Series,' and all other future CBS titles, on Blu-ray as well.
This is a complete non-sequitur. Paramount's stance in the format war has precisely NOTHING to do with what formats CBS-owned content is released in. CBS material will get released in whatever format CBS wants. Paramount remains totally neutral even if they release ST:TOS on HD DVD exclusively, because that's a contract job. The release format is NOT up to them. If they refuse, someone else will do it. And Paramount needs the Star Trek brand associated with their studio a LOT more than they need to maintain the apperance of 100% neutrality in a market that's 1/100th the size of DVD.

That's not to say it won't eventually wind up on Blu-Ray, but the choice is 100% CBS'. Paramount has no sway whatsoever.

This is a complete non-sequitur. Paramount's stance in the format war has precisely NOTHING to do with what formats CBS-owned content is released in. CBS material will get released in whatever format CBS wants. Paramount remains totally neutral even if they release ST:TOS on HD DVD exclusively, because that's a contract job. The release format is NOT up to them. If they refuse, someone else will do it. And Paramount needs the Star Trek brand associated with their studio a LOT more than they need to maintain the apperance of 100% neutrality in a market that's 1/100th the size of DVD.

That's not to say it won't eventually wind up on Blu-Ray, but the choice is 100% CBS'. Paramount has no sway whatsoever.


O RLY?

CBS Home Entertainment also will take the lead in other home entertainment initiatives, including the launch of high-definition discs. Like Paramount, CBS will release titles in the Blu-ray Disc and HD DVD formats. First up: the original "Star Trek" TV series, rolled out on DVD/HD-DVD combo disc in the fourth quarter.

Source (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/business/news/e3ica23d1ee9d4a1835f97002a2524dddc3)

I dont see any evidence that states that ST: TOS will be HD DVD exclusive other than for 2007.

As far as brand recognition for Paramount, you are aware that Star Trek is controlled by CBS Paramount Television (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CBS_Paramount_Television), right? They have logos and everything! I don't think Paramount needs to be worried about losing brand recognition here, especially if they release the movies, which I don't beleive CBS has anything to say about it.

I'd love for ST to be an HD DVD exclusive, but I dont see anything that states it will be an HD DVD exclusive anymore than The Matrix is from WB.

I never said that it WOULD be exclusive. I only said that Paramount Pictures has no say over whether it is or not. If CBS (or CBS Paramount Television) wants it on both formats, that's where it will be. If they want it exclusive on one format or the other, that's what happens. But Paramount Pictures doesn't get to make that decision, because they don't own the content. They sold their television division to CBS.

I just want the updated version on HD DVD as soon as they have enough done to complete the first boxed set.Im not going to piss and moan about whether to have the originals on side b or what not, just give me the new version with the updated effects and HD, in the HD DVD format(if i have a choice) for a reasonable price, and i'm in for a copy.

I never said that it WOULD be exclusive. I only said that Paramount Pictures has no say over whether it is or not. If CBS (or CBS Paramount Television) wants it on both formats, that's where it will be. If they want it exclusive on one format or the other, that's what happens. But Paramount Pictures doesn't get to make that decision, because they don't own the content. They sold their television division to CBS.

You may not have said ST: TOS would be exclusive, but others did. Hence my post in this thread. I understand what you're saying. I didn't disagree with you. But that has nothing to do with my original statement that this may only be a timed exclusive at best, because there is nothing been stated to suggest otherwise. Statements are being made that ST: TOS is an HD DVD exclusive. Period. I posted 2 different articles that suggest this may not be the case. So I think it is a little irresponsible to make blanket statements about exclusivity when what little info we have suggests it may not be.

If you didn't like the wording from the first article I posted, read the second one. It clearly says that CBS will release titles in both formats. What that means for ST: TOS is unclear. My guess is that this will be a timed exclusive. I'm hoping it isn't.

It's pretty bad when HD DVD supporters have to split hairs like this. :rolleyes:

Just watched Star Trek IV on Cinemax HD . .

Well, double-dumb*ss on me, add that to the list as well.

Now, can anyone direct me to the nuclear wessles?

Maybe TNG in the near future?

Maybe TNG in the near future?

Doubtful as my understanding is that it was not shot on film but rather on video.

David, I agree and would think we'll see the un-cut original series, just like 24 on DVD.

-Robert


Maybe they will include a body count ticker in the bottom of the screen when they release it.

Doubtful as my understanding is that it was not shot on film but rather on video.

It was shot on film, but unfortunately all of the effect shots were done at 480 resolution.

So, for an HD release, they'd have to rerender all of the effects.


I fully expect them to do that at some point (they won't leave that HD $$$ on the table), but it may take a decade or two for them to get around to it. I certainly wouldn't expect it soon.

I can't wait any longer. Where are the Star Trek Movies? Is there any release date for the "Ultimate Star Trek Movie Collection" Hd DVD?

Anybody want to venture some guesses on how much ST: TOS will cost on HD-DVD?

I'm ready for it now. The price will be a combination of what the market will bear and perceived value of the HD. Probably $100-$125USD per season.

So TOS was shot on film? I'll be interested in the HD version. I'm geeky enough that I paused the DVD version and zoomed in and tried to read the button labels on the control consoles on the bridge when they happened to pan over it. It was not quite clear enough to read, but almost.

So TOS was shot on film?

It was shot in Technicolor. :D The prints are very stable over time thanks to the use of aniline dyes.

http://www.retrothing.com/2006/09/star_trek_remas.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technicolor

EDIT: I'm an idiot. The dye process is used for finished prints. They scanned from camera negative! Check this out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAKTeuuVdcA

EDIT: More interviews (some redundancy):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fso13UR_jig

Paramount pictures is seperate from CBS.They were divided into two seperate major divisions 2 years ago.CBS is headed by Les Moonves and Paramount Studios is headed by Tom Freston.CBS Home Video which is part of CBS and handles ALL of CBS owned television series and material is not beholden to what Paramount studios may do and vice versa.This is how CBS Home Video is releasing the newly remastered Star Trek:TOS episodes exclusively for the time being on HD DVD.While Paramount studios may be supporting both formats at this time, CBS Home Video is not(at least as far as the HiDef Trek episodes go)for the time being. If BRD ever gets around to implementing multimedia features then there MAY be a BRD version of the HiDef TOS episodes.At some point there likely will be but likely sometime after the HD DVD sets if it happens.

As for the Star Trek movies, they are handled by Paramount Studios which handles ALL Paramount owned major motion pictures properties, which includes all 10 Trek movie films and will no doubt come out on both formats whenever Paramount gets around to releasing them in HiDef.

It was shot in Technicolor. :D The prints are very stable over time thanks to the use of aniline dyes.

http://www.retrothing.com/2006/09/star_trek_remas.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technicolor

EDIT: I'm an idiot. The dye process is used for finished prints. They scanned from camera negative! Check this out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAKTeuuVdcA

EDIT: More interviews (some redundancy):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fso13UR_jig


lol, color fading might actually help TOS had the aniline dyes not worked as good over time.. I persoanly can't wait for these and hope they look great on HD-DVD..

Here is confirmation ;) I for one can't wait !

http://www.startrek.com/startrek/view/store/news/article/2303263.html