If this is a repost, im sorry. IGN has an article up today speculating that Kill Bill: The Whole Bloody Affair might be out November 6th (according to Amazon) I know its only speculation, but isn't this version HD-DVD exclusive?

article - http://dvd.ign.com/articles/799/799294p1.html

If this is a repost, im sorry. IGN has an article up today speculating that Kill Bill: The Whole Bloody Affair might be out November 6th (according to Amazon) I know its only speculation, but isn't this version HD-DVD exclusive?

article - http://dvd.ign.com/articles/799/799294p1.html
Yes sir, it is. Weinstein I believe.

naturally im assuming it gets an hd-dvd release....

Yes sir, it is. Weinstein I believe.

Yes, "Kill Bill: The Whole Bloody Affair" is a Weinstein title, therefore HD DVD. :)

Kill Bill Vol 1 & 2 are Miramax / Disney, so they very well could be possible Blu ray releases.

-Murray

Can someone please explain to me what exactly this is. Is it Kill Bill 1 and 2 in a box set mixed with lots of extras? Or is it a completely different movie? And if it does include the original movies then how is it Weinstein?

Can someone please explain to me what exactly this is. Is it Kill Bill 1 and 2 in a box set mixed with lots of extras? Or is it a completely different movie? And if it does include the original movies then how is it Weinstein?(The Whole Bloody Affair) From what I understand it is a box set with many extras and the uncut version...due out in Nov in SD DVD hopefully it will be released in HD DVD also. :)

basically they edit the 2 together to make one long movie. And its unrated, so we finally get to see the Crazy 88's fight scene in full color! Unless you imported the japaneese release on dvd...
Did they just make that scene black and white to get the R rating, or did he have to edit some stuff out of the scene also?

Did they just make that scene black and white to get the R rating, or did he have to edit some stuff out of the scene also?

Yep they had to make the scene B&W to get an R rating, there is some extra gore as well, I have the R4 DVD and theres some awesome shots that were taken out of the US version.

I actually liked the use of black and white in that scene as it seemed to fit well with the film...but it would be worth a netflix to see it in full color and compare. either way the bizarre distribution rights of these films seem destined to get them both on high def in different configurations...it will be interesting when they are released to see if fans of the films prefer the original two film take or the new blend between the two.

It has to be better than the horrible kill bill 2. I loved the first and after watching the second I said to myself that they should have just extended the first movie. The second just seemed lacking. And might I say this was the only movie that I have seen in the theatre and actually wanted my money back afterwards. I would love to see this version though.

It has to be better than the horrible kill bill 2. I loved the first and after watching the second I said to myself that they should have just extended the first movie. The second just seemed lacking. And might I say this was the only movie that I have seen in the theatre and actually wanted my money back afterwards. I would love to see this version though.

You do realize this version is just going to be Kill Bill Volume 1 and 2 put together, right? If you didn't like KB2, you're not going to like half of this version either.

It has to be better than the horrible kill bill 2. I loved the first and after watching the second I said to myself that they should have just extended the first movie. The second just seemed lacking. And might I say this was the only movie that I have seen in the theatre and actually wanted my money back afterwards. I would love to see this version though.

Kill Bill doesn't have a sequel, yet. KB V1 and V2 are one film. It was originally intended to be one movie, but it was too long. And Weinstein loves splitting movies up(Grindhouse).

IMO-the 'House of Blue Leaves'(?) scene has better effect with the black and white, and fits better with the overall feel of the movie.

I guess TWBA will add the shoot-out sequence between the Bride and Yuki Yubari. I wouldn't mind another anime scene.



I will Buy Kill Bill as many times as it is released. The acting, the epic story, the comedy, the gore, the score(awesome OST), the Katanas, and the Kung Fu. Perfect.


And Deathproof is terrible. I still like QT though.

The Kill Bill films are in my wife's top 10 so this will be a buy if and when it happens.

Now let me address the elephant in the room; running time. Volume I was 111 minutes and Volume II was 136 minutes. That’s a total of 247 minutes or 4 hours and 7 minutes. King Kong was 188 minutes so how are they going to fit The Whole Bloody Affair on one disc? I know that encoding methods have improved in the last year, but have they improved that much? I also know the SD DVD in November is slated to be a 4 disk release, but I can’t find any additional details. Will that be the film (all 247 minutes) on one disk and then 3 disks of special features or will the SD version be on two disks with special features on the remaining two. It just seems to me if the film is intended to be seen as one film it should be on one disc.

I just don’t want the Blubois to have something to pound their chests over. As it is they try to deride King Kong for not having a TrueHD soundtrack claiming that the reason TrueHD was not included was because of space limitations. Anyone that that is familiar with Universal HD releases knows that none of their films have TrueHD soundtracks, but the Blu-ray fanboys have tried to make a lot of hay with the TrueHD FUD. If they are doing that with KK what will they do with KB: TWBA if the film is on two disks?

why does it HAVE to be on one disc, i personally dont mind having 2 discs as long as they keep the attention on the video quality and not on how much they can stuff onto one disc.

Cant wait for this...I bet we will see it on hd-dvd at that time or soon after the dvd release at least.

Also, Grindhouse is coming out around that time I bet...I see on IMDB that Dimension has the media rights....are they hd or bd?

Releasing these at the same time would be awesome!

Cant wait for this...I bet we will see it on hd-dvd at that time or soon after the dvd release at least.

Also, Grindhouse is coming out around that time I bet...I see on IMDB that Dimension has the media rights....are they hd or bd?

Releasing these at the same time would be awesome!


"Dimension Films is a motion picture unit currently a part of The Weinstein Company. It was formerly used as Bob Weinstein's label within Miramax Films, to produce and release genre films. The Weinstein Brothers took this label with them when they departed the Disney-owned Miramax in October 2005.

All films released by Dimension Films prior to October 1, 2005, remain the property of The Walt Disney Company. Disney also retains a license to use the Dimension label for distribution of the film library it controls. According to the Associated Press, "Disney continues to share half the proceeds from the 'Scary Movie' flicks and any other future installments in pre-existing Dimension franchises, such as the 'Scream' or 'Spy Kids' series" [1].

Some of its most notable well-known movies include Scream (1996-2000), Spy Kids (2001-2003) and the Scary Movie franchise (2000-present).

Some of Dimension's early releases were distributed on video by Paramount Pictures, eventually transferring its output to Buena Vista when Miramax was bought by Disney in 1993, before the Weinsteins split from Disney in 2005.

In March 2006, Dimension Films announced a distribution pact with Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer. MGM will distribute the product domestically in theaters, while The Weinstein Company and Dimension Films will retain long-term ownership of their product (and eventually, full ownership via Genius Products once this material enters home video release)."

:)
-Murray

Greetings

There is such a thing in movies as an intermission ... :D

Regards

The Amazon listing shows it as four discs, which means this should/would have to be at least a two-disc HD-DVD set.

why does it HAVE to be on one disc, i personally dont mind having 2 discs as long as they keep the attention on the video quality and not on how much they can stuff onto one disc.

I think the point is if you're going to do that, how's that any different than having Kill Bill vol 1 and 2 and watching them back to back. I guess Tarantino is recutting it for this release, but then the focus should be Kill Bill recut--not Kill Bill as one film, if the presentation is really the same.

The possibility of this release being on HD DVD has been discussed in this forum before and moved because it is nothing more then speculation...

Though I do continue to like to read about the possibility :)

I am of the opnion that The Whole Bloody Affair will not run 247 minutes, it is my feeling that the movie will be re-edited (If a full length edit did not remain) and it will come in substantially lower then 247, I'd guess around 3 hours. I don't think a spot existed in the movie where they just said 'hey, if we cut right here at the 111 minute we can make it 2 movies', I imagine it was edited and additional scenes were shot to make the 2 movies fit better as 2 movies... I look forward to seeing the full length version, but I'm not expecting a 4 hour marathon.

I just don’t want the Blubois to have something to pound their chests over. As it is they try to deride King Kong for not having a TrueHD soundtrack claiming that the reason TrueHD was not included was because of space limitations. Anyone that that is familiar with Universal HD releases knows that none of their films have TrueHD soundtracks, but the Blu-ray fanboys have tried to make a lot of hay with the TrueHD FUD. If they are doing that with KK what will they do with KB: TWBA if the film is on two disks?

I think the HD DVD insiders said that even the EE of LotR would fit onto a 30 GB HD DVD. So I guess no need to worry.

Or maybe TWBA will be the first 51 GB HD DVD? That would be fun.

In the last meeting, it moved to the next phase. TL-51 was officially accepted as a valid format to be standardized. Before it was being studied to see if it should go in or not. At least this is my interpretation of the meeting minutes I saw.

it is my feeling that the movie will be re-edited (If a full length edit did not remain) and it will come in substantially lower then 247, I'd guess around 3 hours.

Again, the Amazon listing clearly states a four-disc set with a run time of 247 minutes and an NC-17 rating. That seems pretty precise information and not just a guess on Amazon's part. This listing is much firmer than one of their usual placeholders for expected titles that haven't been announced.

Again, the Amazon listing clearly states a four-disc set with a run time of 247 minutes and an NC-17 rating. That seems pretty precise information and not just a guess on Amazon's part. This listing is much firmer than one of their usual placeholders for expected titles that haven't been announced.
I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger if QT trims this movie down. I want the whole bloody thing! I will not be satisfied with some kind of fat-free version of kobe beef.

I think the HD DVD insiders said that even the EE of LotR would fit onto a 30 GB HD DVD. So I guess no need to worry.

Or maybe TWBA will be the first 51 GB HD DVD? That would be fun.

That may be the case, but studios (all of them) produce multi-disc sets, because the general buying public "perceive" additional value from additional discs. While less than ideal, I wouldn't be at all surprised to see a 3-disc set, if released on HD. One for each volume, and a third for the bonus material.That way, the sticker can be "justified" to be in the $60 range... Call me cynical, but that's my guess.

I don't believe "TWBA" is a simple cut & paste of Vol. 1 & 2. If I remember correctly, "TWBA" is supposed to be a chronological re-editing of the two. So if you don't like "2" you may very well like the "whole" film now or if you liked "1" you may not like the "whole" as much. If you liked both, like me, you should be good to go. I was hoping for the "Cannes" version, myself.
Any way, I'M BUYING IT!!!

It's weird how well the B&W worked. Since it was not originally intended. Yet people now prefer it. Me? Give me RED blood!!!

"TWBA" is supposed to be a chronological re-editing of the two.

This is incorrect. If there is anything QT doesn't like, it is stories told in chronological order. The WBA will have exactly the same chronological order as the two standalone movies.

Yes, "Kill Bill: The Whole Bloody Affair" is a Weinstein title, therefore HD DVD. :)

Kill Bill Vol 1 & 2 are Miramax / Disney, so they very well could be possible Blu ray releases.

-Murray

Vol. 1 & 2 are allready scheduled for release in Australia on Blu-Ray in August.

There is such a thing in movies as an intermission ... :D
At least, there used to be. Damn you, tanker-sized cola!

I don't see why they couldn't split The Whole Bloody Affair across two discs like LotR EE on SD DVD. KB already uses intertitles, what's one more?

Also, House of Blue Leaves sequence in full color is superior--because it was shot in color.

EDIT: BTW, did they decide not to do the theatrical release of KB: TWBA after all?

Blubois

LOL! Spit out my coffee on that one...

I am a BR supporter (I have a PS3) BUT ths title being a HD-dvd exclusive would temot me to buy a HD dvd player if it were 1080p with lossless audio! Same with Grindhouse. Any OFFICIAL word on Grindhouse yet?

This is incorrect. If there is anything QT doesn't like, it is stories told in chronological order. The WBA will have exactly the same chronological order as the two standalone movies.
I heard that was the case, however we all heard a LOT about this release.
(would have been more appropriate & polite to fully quote me; as I posted: "If I remember correctly,...")
So, it turns out this will be the "Japanese" version.
If that's the case, why the two & a half year wait??? :confused:

From DVD Times:

"As almost everyone must know by now, the version of Kill Bill Vol. 1 released in Japan is slightly different from the one released in the West. Most famously, part of the fight in the House of Blue Leaves goes into black and white in Western prints (in order to circumvent the MPAA’s phobia of excessive amounts of red blood). While Tarantino has, on several occasions, claimed that the Japanese version, which features the House of Blue Leaves sequence in full colour as well as various other shots that were deleted or altered to avoid an NC-17 rating in the Western prints, is not a “director’s cut” but simply an alternative version, this would seem to contradict his repeated marketing of the film in Japan as “full-strength Kill Bill”. Here is a complete list of the differences between the Western and Japanese versions (stolen shamelessly from IMDB):

- The opening scene between The Bride and Vernita Green has two alternate angles shown when The Bride asks for a towel instead of keeping the overhead shot.
- In the anime sequence, one of Boss Matsumoto's men has his face smashed into a wall twice, rather then just once.
- In the anime sequence, when O-Ren Ishii kills Matsumoto and tells him to look at her face, she asks him to look at more facial features (nose, chin. etc.) to be recognized, and then before pulling the knife out, there is a close up shot of her moving the knife up his stomach and then finally pulling it out. There are a couple of close up shots of Matsumoto's face as he's dying as well that were eliminated from the US print and then a pan up shot of Matsumoto's blood covered and disemboweled body.
- The "House of Blue Leaves" fight is not only in full color, but features about 9 new shots missing from the US print which include:

- A close up of the first female Crazy 88 (Julie Manase) gargling blood after being pinned to a wooden pillar by a sword. This shot, while cut from the US version of Vol 1, showed up in the end credits of the US cut of Vol 2.
- A shot of The Bride stabbing two Crazy 88s at once using her own sword as well as another Crazy 88's sword.
- A ten foot high super backflip that The Bride executes before landing back down to pop out one of the Crazy 88's eyes. This shot appeared in the TV spot teaser, but disappeared soon after.
- The Bride jabbing a Crazy 88 in the throat with her "snake fist", and the partially armless Sofie Fatale giving a disgusted reaction.
- A shot of another female Crazy 88 attacking only to get slashed in the throat and spraying blood everywhere.
- The first appearance of the "Kid Crazy 88" (the one who gets spanked with the sword). In this shot, we now find out why he's missing a mask later on. As he's about to attack The Bride, she swipes his mask off. We see he's just a kid, and he gives the universal "don't hurt me" sign. The Bride has a look of shock on her face in realizing he's just a kid, so she grabs him, throws him across, knocking 3-4 Crazy 88 into a blood filled mini pool. This shot of the 3-4 falling, while cut from the US version of Vol 1, also showed up in the end credits of the US cut of Vol 2. Overall, this "mini scene" helps establish The Bride's look of surprise even more when she sees the young Crazy 88 the last time... and his follow up "don't hurt me" look even funnier.
- A shot of a Crazy 88 getting slashed across the chest and spraying blood all over a wall.
- When The Bride jumps onto the shoulders of one of the Crazy 88, after she slashes another one across the face, the Crazy 88 she's standing on tries to attack her from below. She parries the attack and cuts his hands off. The shot then cuts to the forward somersault.
- Since the fight is already in color, the close up "eye shot" of The Bride blinking is cut. Instead, the first part of the close up before she blinks is shown, however, at the point when she normally blinks, there is a replacement medium shot of her standing slightly fatigued and holding her sword out.

- Finally, after the "House of Blue Leaves" fight, is the most infamous of the missing scenes and that is Sofie Fatale's extended "trunk interrogation" scene. After The Bride warns Sofie about cutting off something, instead of cutting back to Sofie in the hospital, The Bride is shown grabbing Sofie's arm and screams "GIVE ME YOUR OTHER ARM!". Sofie starts to panic, but then The Bride chops off her other arm, causing blood to splash onto the screen and Sofie begins screaming again.

Also, the Japanese cut replaces the “Old Klingon Proverb” at the beginning of the film with a dedication to film maker Kinji Fukasaku."

I can see waiting for this on HD (I am), butt this sucker was finished years ago an was released as an import only, why the US delay? :(

Wonder how it will do in the theater? A new release that same week better bring it. :p

Also, House of Blue Leaves sequence in full color is superior--because it was shot in color.

So was Schindler's List. So was The Man Who Wasn't There. So are almost all modern black & white movies.

So was Schindler's List. So was The Man Who Wasn't There. So are almost all modern black & white movies.
Was the directors intent in any of the movies you mentioned to show them in color (ala Kill Bill)?

There is no way this movie has the running time of the two movies stuck together. It will only have one set of credits and has removed the scene in the hospital with Bill and the recap at the beginning of 2.

Right, here's a question.

KB1 & KB2 released on their own is owned by Disney. They can come out seperately, or lumped together in a slip case.

If KB:TWBM needs to be spread over 2 discs the two might be put together in a slip case.

What's the difference?

The title on the front?

Only one set of titles?

For me, this is a film I'll double dip for on high def.

But I won't double dip twice. If TWBM comes available, that's the one I'll get instead of simply replacing 1&2.

Steve W

I am a BR supporter (I have a PS3) BUT ths title being a HD-dvd exclusive would temot me to buy a HD dvd player if it were 1080p with lossless audio! Same with Grindhouse. Any OFFICIAL word on Grindhouse yet?

Despite what you've been told, all HD DVD movies are 1080p, it just comes down to whether the player is 1080p and does the deinterlacing or if the 1080i signal is sent from the player to the TV to be deinterlaced to 1080p (assuming you have a 1080p TV).

As to Kill Bill coming to HD DVD, I'd love to see it happen but if we don't get an announcement I'm not going to get my hopes up.

Thread rolled back to where it started going off topic. TWBA is the topic.

Correct me if I am wrong here....
but this article is speaking of the DVD. There is no discussion of it coming to HD-DVD. I do not think there are any plans to release this on HD-DVD, at least not this year. Amazon putting up a webpage doesn't mean anything. If it did then Blu-Ray is getting Star Wars and HD-DVD is getting the Star Trek movies.

Sorry, but this thread really has no business being in the HD-DVD area and should be moved to the DVD Movie forum.

I think the point is that BD have announced high def versions of KB1 & KB2 for later in the year.

It'd be incredibly odd if Weistein put up an SD version of KB:TWBM to counter this.

Also, the release news of this at Amazon arrived at the same time as the SD news for 'Death Proof'. I don't see a relatively big title like this (for Weinstein) not coming out on high def.

The nature of the 'news' (pre-order at Amazon) is incomplete and rushed in some elements, suggesting there's more info to come.

Steve W

how does disney own KB then somehow weinstein release the same movie, just because its a recut version doesn't mean they own the rights do they?

[...] just because its a recut version doesn't mean they own the rights do they?

Actually, yes.

EDIT: It also probably has to do with the specific deal they made when they left DisneyMax, but essentially, yes.

I answered all the questions about version changes and why the Weinstein brothers had rights yesterday, but that post was lost in the rollback. I don't have the energy to re-explain. You'll figure it out when the set comes out.

so any more news about Kill Bill coming the HD dvd or Grindhouse on HD-DVD?

I answered all the questions about version changes and why the Weinstein brothers had rights yesterday, but that post was lost in the rollback. I don't have the energy to re-explain. You'll figure it out when the set comes out.
Thanks for that post.
Could you provide a link to where you got the info? :o
Thanks.

That post was priceless! :confused: :eek: :(

It appears that Amazon has changed release date to 12/25 from when this was first reported? Hmmmm, I doubt think Santa will be dropping off this release to your local Best Buy or Walmart?!?!

http://www.amazon.com/Kill-Bill-Whole-Bloody-Affair/dp/B000R7HY0A******pd_bbs_sr_1/105-5969351-7550036?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1186762249&sr=8-1

Note that the image shown in their placecard is from a customer image of possibily what the box might look like.

Also, House of Blue Leaves sequence in full color is superior--because it was shot in color.Yeah, but that doesn't necessarily mean anything. The Man Who Wasn't There was shot in color as well, but it was always intended to be shown in black and white. Color stock is better in a lot of ways than B&W stock, even if those colors are never going to be shown.

Note that the image shown in their placecard is from a customer image of possibily what the box might look like.
That's actually the box that was displayed at comic con 2007. I really do hope this gets a HD release.

I'll buy TWBA in whatever HD-DVD form it occurs, but in my dream version it would have the full uncut Crazy 88 fight both in color AND using seamless branching, in B&W (but with all the other changes intact except for the eye blink to go B&W). That would be awesometastic!

I like the B&W style but adding the rest of the fight in would be cool. And some people prefer color.. if it had always been in color here I probably wouldn't even care but unintended or not B&W adds such a nice stylistic touch to the fight.

That's actually the box that was displayed at comic con 2007. I really do hope this gets a HD release.

Great. Who had it on display? Weinstein?

Thanks for that post.
Could you provide a link to where you got the info? :o
Thanks.

That post was priceless! :confused: :eek: :(
Sorry for the delay in my reply... my info didn't come from the internet. It was a combination of trade magazine articles and a radio interview with Tarantino. For those who didn't read the original post, the short version is this...

Kill Bill was intended to be one film. During the cutting, it became very apparent that it was running waaaaaay long and there was too much good material that QT didn't want to lose to achieve a certain running time. I think it was Harvey Weinstein's suggestion after viewing the rough cut that the movie be divided in two. QT like this idea because it opened up new options and ideas for non-linear storytelling. The movie was re-cut as two separate films, with new material being added, and some material being exorcised. QT likes the resulting 2 films and doesn't seem to regard them as a compromise, but he also liked the way the rough cut played out, as the overall pace, sequence and tone was different. He wants that version to be seen as well. It's not a director's cut, because, in his own words, "I don't need to make director's cuts because I make the film I wanted to make the FIRST time." He considers The Whole Bloody Affair separate, but equal. Not an improvement.

Why did it take so long? It only existed in rough-cut form. It needed to be polished, dialog needed to be looped, music re-cut, sound re-mixed, image re-colored, and the film remastered and re-encoded. That takes time. After all, this is not Vols. 1 & 2 connected in the middle or even just scenes re-sequenced. It is a completely different cut of the movie incorporating the same footage. Remember the two versions of The Exorcist prequels? The Love Conquers All version of Brazil? It's like that, only both versions under the same director's approval.

Since this version is a separate movie from Vols. 1 & 2 and it was considered under development at the time the Weinstein brothers left Disney, The Whole Bloody Affair left with them along with their other projects in development.

Hope this answers some questions.

Thanks for the sequal to the original post txfilmguy.

I've decided to order the two KB's and Pulp from UK (Sept 9th). Even if WBF comes out, it will be nice to have these editions too. I hope KB 1 is a BIG leap up from the SD release in terms of PQ.

After all, this is not Vols. 1 & 2 connected in the middle or even just scenes re-sequenced. It is a completely different cut of the movie incorporating the same footage.

I really hope this is the case. I'd love to see a combined/re-cut Kill Bill with a running time of around 190 minutes.

Is the 247 minutes figure, the total running time of the japanese (slightly longer) versions or the original west versions? I really liked these movies, and never knew that the japanese release was longer/bloodier :) I have a feeling that a recut version would be able to leave out one set of opening titles and one set of end credits, then the new end credits might be slightly longer. Any "last time on Kill Bill vol1" footage would also be unecessary. So even adding in the bits of cut footage it would likely be slightly shorter than the running times of the seperate volumes added together.

I'm glad Weinstein Bros has control too. If TWBA comes out on HD-DVD, I'm hoping for the japanese versions, recut into one long movie. If they want to add the original black&white for that one fight via seamless branching, that's cool too.

247 Minutes might be pushing the boundaries of 30gb, I don't really know. If they have to split it into 2 discs, or put the special features on a seperate disc, that's fine with me.

I have the Japanese import on DVD....slightly better image than the US release...the House Of Blue Leaves fight does have the additional scenes/snippets intact and in full gorehound color. ssssshhh, I have a copy for sale if someone is looking for one? ;)

Wait, so Kill Bill Vol 1 and 2, and Pulp Fiction are coming out on HD-DVD in UK? When, and where can I order them?

Wait, so Kill Bill Vol 1 and 2, and Pulp Fiction are coming out on HD-DVD in UK? When, and where can I order them?

Very sorry, they are coming out in BR. My bad, I don't always think in terms of HD-DVD/BR, since I own both formats. :o

How can you play the UK blu-ray discs in the US? I thought they have region limitations.

BDs can be limited to a particular region but the feature is not always implemented. Many BDs are in fact region free.

I thought this was an HD DVD announcement? Silly me as I was reading this in the HD DVD section... :rolleyes:

-Murray

I thought this was an HD DVD announcement? Silly me as I was reading this in the HD DVD section... :rolleyes:

-Murray

The thread is about HD-DVD. In my post, I made an error is commenting on importing the titles from England. I then corrected myself and apologized for the error. Let me know what your "actual damages" are from my two posts, I'll be happy to compensate you in some way?

The Kill Bill films are in my wife's top 10 so this will be a buy if and when it happens.

Now let me address the elephant in the room; running time. Volume I was 111 minutes and Volume II was 136 minutes. That’s a total of 247 minutes or 4 hours and 7 minutes. King Kong was 188 minutes so how are they going to fit The Whole Bloody Affair on one disc? I know that encoding methods have improved in the last year, but have they improved that much? I also know the SD DVD in November is slated to be a 4 disk release, but I can’t find any additional details. Will that be the film (all 247 minutes) on one disk and then 3 disks of special features or will the SD version be on two disks with special features on the remaining two. It just seems to me if the film is intended to be seen as one film it should be on one disc.

I just don’t want the Blubois to have something to pound their chests over. As it is they try to deride King Kong for not having a TrueHD soundtrack claiming that the reason TrueHD was not included was because of space limitations. Anyone that that is familiar with Universal HD releases knows that none of their films have TrueHD soundtracks, but the Blu-ray fanboys have tried to make a lot of hay with the TrueHD FUD. If they are doing that with KK what will they do with KB: TWBA if the film is on two disks?

I am convinced 247 minutes will fit just fine in 30 Gb as long as there is nothing else on that disc : no extra whatsoever, no IME, just DD+ and subtitles. In these conditions, I bet they can get a top tier 1 release if the compressionist does his job right.

The thread is about HD-DVD. In my post, I made an error is commenting on importing the titles from England. I then corrected myself and apologized for the error. Let me know what your "actual damages" are from my two posts, I'll be happy to compensate you in some way?

You can send me "The Whole Bloody Affair" on HD DVD, Thanks! :D

No worries man, just making an observation. :)

-Murray

If it comes out in High Def...I think we both get compensated. I'd even settle for a broad theatrical release.

Take Care
Ron

I am convinced 247 minutes will fit just fine in 30 Gb as long as there is nothing else on that disc : no extra whatsoever, no IME, just DD+ and subtitles. In these conditions, I bet they can get a top tier 1 release if the compressionist does his job right.


Of all of Weinstein's titles I'd want this one to include lossless audio the most. I doubt a TrueHD track could fit on a single disc along with the entire movie.

I am convinced 247 minutes will fit just fine in 30 Gb as long as there is nothing else on that disc : no extra whatsoever, no IME, just DD+ and subtitles. In these conditions, I bet they can get a top tier 1 release if the compressionist does his job right.

Actually I just finished The Good Shepherd and its also exactly 247 minutes. Excellent picture quality, two DD+ audio tracks, a PiP U-Control and several deleted scenes. Not too shabby.

basically they edit the 2 together to make one long movie. And its unrated, so we finally get to see the Crazy 88's fight scene in full color! Unless you imported the japaneese release on dvd...
Did they just make that scene black and white to get the R rating, or did he have to edit some stuff out of the scene also?
Actually, it was one movie that got split into two.

Actually I just finished The Good Shepherd and its also exactly 247 minutes. Excellent picture quality, two DD+ audio tracks, a PiP U-Control and several deleted scenes. Not too shabby.


It's THAT long? Good grief.

Anyway, I don't understand why studios don't just include a TrueHD track only. I mean, if you can't use a TrueHD track, yoou can't use a DD+ track either, right? Optical doesn't have enough bandwidth to carry either one, and even if you choose TrueHD and you can't use it, it's still downsampled to full bitrate DTS which is literally as good as optical can do. Why do Warner and Universal feel the need to include DD+ AND TrueHD on the same disc?

Actually I just finished The Good Shepherd and its also exactly 247 minutes. Excellent picture quality, two DD+ audio tracks, a PiP U-Control and several deleted scenes. Not too shabby.
The Good Shepherd is 167 minutes long, not 247.

If anybody's been paying attention... TWBA is not I & II spliced together. It is an altogether different cut pooled from the same footage as I & II with some new scenes and some old ones removed. No one has any idea what the running time is at this point, but one can be sure it won't be the length of vols. I & II combined.

I think the HD DVD insiders said that even the EE of LotR would fit onto a 30 GB HD DVD. So I guess no need to worry.

Or maybe TWBA will be the first 51 GB HD DVD? That would be fun.

Lots of stuff can fit, but quality will suffer w/o multiple disks for movies over 2~2.5 hours on HD DVD/BD.

word is that Weinsten is going neutral as well, so TWBA will probably be on both formats. Hope they do separate encodes.

It's THAT long? Good grief.

Anyway, I don't understand why studios don't just include a TrueHD track only. I mean, if you can't use a TrueHD track, yoou can't use a DD+ track either, right? Optical doesn't have enough bandwidth to carry either one, and even if you choose TrueHD and you can't use it, it's still downsampled to full bitrate DTS which is literally as good as optical can do. Why do Warner and Universal feel the need to include DD+ AND TrueHD on the same disc?

Technically, the HD DVD format only requires TrueHD decoding at a minimum of 2 channels, whereas DD+ is required for the full 5.1.

All of the current dedicated HD DVD players will decode TrueHD in 5.1, but the LG combi player will not. With that player, a TrueHD track will only give you 2.0 audio, and that is regardless of whether you're using an HDMI output or transcoding to regular DD over optical.

That's why a separate DD+ track is always included, just in case.

If anybody's been paying attention... TWBA is not I & II spliced together. It is an altogether different cut pooled from the same footage as I & II with some new scenes and some old ones removed. No one has any idea what the running time is at this point, but one can be sure it won't be the length of vols. I & II combined.

I have never heard of QT re-cutting his films. He probably will just stick them together, and ad another anime sequence.

I still cant believe he made Deathproof longer. :(
I shoulda walked out. I swear he panned the camer 360 degrees around that freakin table for like 25mins. :mad:

I have never heard of QT re-cutting his films. He probably will just stick them together, and ad another anime sequence.

I still cant believe he made Deathproof longer. :(
I shoulda walked out. I swear he panned the camer 360 degrees around that freakin table for like 25mins. :mad:

It was tough to sit through Deathproof after all the action of Planet Terror but I thought it was great. I probably would have liked it even more watching it by itself.

I have never heard of QT re-cutting his films. He probably will just stick them together, and ad another anime sequence.

I still cant believe he made Deathproof longer. :(
I shoulda walked out. I swear he panned the camer 360 degrees around that freakin table for like 25mins. :mad:
I am not going to type out my original post a third time. READ, PEOPLE! The US theatrical versions WERE the re-cuts. Look at post #50.

I am not going to type out my original post a third time. READ, PEOPLE! The US theatrical versions WERE the re-cuts. Look at post #50.

I know it was supposed to be one film. Post 50 just describes any movie making process.

Plus I'm pretty sure QT is the type of guy to fight for final cut.

word is that Weinsten is going neutral as well, so TWBA will probably be on both formats. Hope they do separate encodes.
Who's your source? The same that said that Universal is going neutral? :D

it was Harvey Weinstein's suggestion after viewing the rough cut that the movie be divided in two. QT like this idea because it opened up new options and ideas for non-linear storytelling. The movie was re-cut as two separate films, with new material being added, and some material being exorcised.
It's like talking to a brick wall. If you can comprehend these sentences, you'll understand that TWBA is not I and II spliced together.

And he had final cut. On both versions.

Who's your source? The same that said that Universal is going neutral? :D
There has been no official word yet from the Weinsteins. However, it has been widely reported that at Comi-Con this year, execs from the studio have been referring to "Grindhouse" as their first Blu-ray release. All we have to go on is people who spoke to them, but because so many varied sources have reported the same statements, it has been given some amount of credibility. Here's one source:

http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=12824

That is a blu ray site citing a blu ray shill basically.

Who's your source? The same that said that Universal is going neutral? :D

Maybe that's also the same source that claims Toshiba will produce a Blu ray player by years end... :D

-Murray

Oh, come on. If you are determined to only look into sources which tout one and one format only, you're not going to get an accurate picture. I don't claim that the speculation of Weinstien going neutral is official news yet. Someone just inquired as to the source of the rumors and I pointed to one of many. They all seem to point to Comi-Con, however. I might point out that the site I identified still reports Universal's staunch position on maintaining their HD DVD exclusivity. I recommend looking into trade magazines and official sites backing either format for a holistic picture, even if you are favoring one format over another. Someone tried to shoot me down the other day for providing a link to a site that supported my statement that 3 of Spielberg's movies had been announced, then removed from an HD DVD Coming Soon roster. That link was the HD DVD promotions group itself.

Get over the "It's gotta be one format or the other" attitude and remember what the next generation is all about... more and better quality material available in HD. I love movies. That's why I'm here. The color of the box makes no difference to me. And when the Kill Bill movies come out, I'll have Vols. 1 and 2 in their blue boxes right next to The Whole Bloody Affair in its box, be it red or blue. It makes no difference to me.

There has been no official word yet from the Weinsteins. However, it has been widely reported that at Comi-Con this year, execs from the studio have been referring to "Grindhouse" as their first Blu-ray release. All we have to go on is people who spoke to them, but because so many varied sources have reported the same statements, it has been given some amount of credibility. Here's one source:

http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=12824
A bunch of Blu-ray supporters spinnin' and speculatin' again. :D
Same "Universal going neutral' crap. Wishful thinking just doesn't make it so. :D

Yeah, but that doesn't necessarily mean anything. The Man Who Wasn't There was shot in color as well, but it was always intended to be shown in black and white. Color stock is better in a lot of ways than B&W stock, even if those colors are never going to be shown.

Yes, as Josh Z already pointed out above, I'm a dumbass. Color has more modern emulsions, no need to change the developers at the lab, DPs are probably a lot more used to shooting with it these days, etc..

However, as BIG ED already pointed out above, director's intent, etc..

Let me just ad that it is extremely difficult to shoot blood for both B&W and color at the same time because, as was seen in the B&W version of the HoBL sequence, bright red blood looks white in B&W, which is why stuff like chocolate syrup used to be used for fake blood in B&W films.

Also:
While the American cut of the movie shows the violent battle at the House of Blue Leaves in black-and-white, the Japanese cut shows it in color. [...] These cuts were made to the U.S. version in order to avoid an NC-17 rating.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kill_Bill#Differences_in_Japanese_cut

My reasoning may have been a little faulty, but I still stand by my assertion.

A bunch of Blu-ray supporters spinnin' and speculatin' again. :D
Same "Universal going neutral' crap. Wishful thinking just doesn't make it so. :D

Wishful thinking is thinking that HD DVD is doing fine. Those of us that enjoy having two formats hope HD DVD gets its crap together before it's too late. Is Weinstein going neutral? All signs point to yes even if you are an ostrich with your head stuck in the sand. Let's hope they do separate encodes.

Wishful thinking is thinking that HD DVD is doing fine. And being a BR troll is thinking otherwise. :D
Those of us that enjoy having two formats hope HD DVD gets its crap together before it's too late. One who is truly formart neutral doesn't speak like a BR troll.
Is Weinstein going neutral? All signs point to yes even if you are an ostrich with your head stuck in the sand. Let's hope they do separate encodes. If you think that your BDA spin is factual just because you believe it, you are the one whose head is stuck up something...

Wishful thinking is thinking that HD DVD is doing fine. Those of us that enjoy having two formats hope HD DVD gets its crap together before it's too late. Is Weinstein going neutral? All signs point to yes even if you are an ostrich with your head stuck in the sand. Let's hope they do separate encodes.

I enjoy having both formats and I think Blu-ray needs to get its crap together. What happened to Fox titles?And If Sony is going to release awful crap like Ghost Rider and Daddy Day Camp at least give movie lovers a couple of classics to buy.

This thread is about to be rolled back AGAIN because of all the ot bull... let's stay on subject. The subject being TWBA has not been announced on HD DVD yet, hopefully it will be :)

So Weinstein releases KB: TWBA on both formats at about the same time that DisneyMax plans to rake in some big dough from BD "exclusive" KB I & II? I'm sure DisneyMax will be very understanding.... :rolleyes:

As to Weinstein possibly going neutral...meh.

So Weinstein releases KB: TWBA on both formats at about the same time that DisneyMax plans to rake in some big dough from BD "exclusive" KB I & II? I'm sure DisneyMax will be very understanding.... :rolleyes:

As to Weinstein possibly going neutral...meh.
I'm sure each studio has their token of exclusivity: Disney will play the "You can buy each volume separately, so those that don't like the second half but love the action in the first... great! Weinstein will have the never-before-seen "The Whole Bloody Affair" cut sold as one title, probably for a premium price (hopefully with a boatload of extras). I could see myself owning both. I think this movie was the best thing Tarantino's done since "Pulp Fiction."

I agree with the need to stay on topic, but Jay, it's been stated by Fox execs that they've been waiting for the new security specs to be implemented for Blu-ray, which are due in October. That's why they've been holding off... especially on the classics.

I enjoy having both formats and I think Blu-ray needs to get its crap together. What happened to Fox titles?And If Sony is going to release awful crap like Ghost Rider and Daddy Day Camp at least give movie lovers a couple of classics to buy.

I respect your opinion. Too bad some other HD DVD fanboys can't seem to do the same.

Sony and its band of studios have released Big Fish, Donnie Brasco, The Patriot and Kung Fu Hustle. Those are classics IMO. :D