It also doesn't make that perspective any less wrong.Sure it does. Personal preferences are not "right" or "wrong". They are only either "prevailing" or not. In this case, their perspective is the one that this supplier is complying with -- it prevails.

Amen to that. I like most of you strongly prefer OAR and definately don't like stretch-o-vision; however, I realize that we are in the minority.I wish more folks kept their own personal preferences in context like that. I think there would be a lot less frustration that way.

It's simple from a business perspective.Absolutely. http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/images/icons/icon14.gif

Trumps? Hardly, it just means they are unfamiliar with or do not understand the concept.I used the word "trumps" deliberately. As I mentioned, there is no "right" and "wrong" -- all there is and all that matters is "which card wins the trick". Participating in the consumer economy (which is what we're talking about here) is like a game. You hope that by paying what you're willing to pay, you can win the game, i.e., get what you want. If you hold a minority perspective, however, you're as likely as not to lose the game, i.e., pay a lot to get only glimpses of what you want.

You can not really believe anyone who understood the concept would prefer a geometrically distorted image, just to fill a screen.Insulting them doesn't strengthen your argument. Trust that they understand enough but simply don't care about the things that you do, at least not anywhere near the extent that you care about them.

Perhaps your views would be better accepted in a more mainstream, non-AV enthusiasts forum.Yet that isn't the case. In those forums I am considered a raving AV enthusiast. That's the curse of being a moderate: Both extremes only see you as an extreme in the opposite direction. :)

AVS leads - not follows.I hope you're not actually suggesting that ridicule is a valid form of leadership.

There are three main forms of leadership: Leadership by fiat, leadership by education, and leadership by example. These three really are just equally-spaced points on a spectrum. Leadership by fiat is the extreme in the active direct: Getting people to do what you want by force. Leadership by example is the extreme in the passive direction: Doing nothing other than hoping people will do what you want because you've demonstrated how attractive doing so is through your own actions. Leadership by education is the most reasonable of the approaches in this context.

Insulting them doesn't strengthen your argument. Trust that they understand enough but simply don't care about the things that you do, at least not anywhere near the extent that you care about them.Baloney.

This is prime example of how you twist others comments to try and suit your own purposes. In no way did I insult anyone. I said they didn't understand the concept. Anyone who did understand the concept would not want to see ovals instead of circles and rectangles instead of squares.



Yet that isn't the case. In those forums I am considered a raving AV enthusiast. That's the curse of being a moderate: Both extremes only see you as an extreme in the opposite direction. :)Well, how about starting your own forum for those raving AV moderates without a home?

I hope you're not actually suggesting that ridicule is a valid form of leadership.More baloney.

Since you seem to not understand, let me explain how it works. AVS is not your garden variety Internet forum. We are the most popular home theater forum on the Internet, with well over 40 million unique page views per month. I have been the principal HDTV Moderator for over 6 years. In that time we have become known as 'the place to be for HDTV', referenced frequently by home theater magazines, other A/V & HT web sites, and the mainstream press. I have been contacted for comments on HDTV related articles by newspapers including The New York Times, The Wall Street Journal, The Washington Post, The Los Angeles Times, and many others. In addition to having direct participation by industry members ranging from local TV engineers to HD network owners on the forum, I also receive information on a regular basis about HD networks and program providers that I'm asked to pass along to the forum. This information comes from TV industry members, including those at the highest levels of the industry. AVS directly influences television decision makers by discussing HD issues on these forums. Examples of this are plentiful.

- Ask HDNet why they gave us credit on their first live MLB broadcast, and why they directly participate on the forum, including Mark Cuban.

- Ask CBS why they stopped doing HD golf with SD handheld cameras.

- Perhaps most telling would be asking ESPN why they discontinued stretching 4:3 content to fill the 16:9 image area on their HD channel.

These are only a few examples, of which many more exist.

Leadership by discussion is the currency of AVS, and we are loaded.

Sorry I didn't trudge through the 9 pages here, but what provider is actually going to have TBS-HD in time for the MLB playoffs? Being in Cleveland I have a vested interest :D I've got D* and WOW cable and something tells me WOW cable won't pick it up in time. They either snap up a channel as soon as it's launched, or wait 2 years.

what provider is actually going to have TBS-HD in time for the MLB playoffs?
DirecTV is the only provider so far that has come out and said they'd have the channel in time for the playoffs.

In no way did I insult anyone.We evidently disagree. I'll grant, though, that you didn't intend to. You are the unequivocal arbiter of your own intentions.

Anyone who did understand the concept would not want to see ovals instead of circles and rectangles instead of squares."Anyone who did understand the concept would not want to see black bars." Different concepts. I don't subscribe to either, 100%, but I respect both.

Well, how about starting your own forum for those raving AV moderates without a home?Moderates are typically too apathetic. :(

Leadership by discussion is the currency of AVS, and we are loaded.I respect all that, Ken. Ban conflicting perspectives in the published forum rules, and folks will have to comply, naturally.

So...

Any word on whether the Office repeats will be in HD on TBS? How cool would it be for the first syndicated Office episode to go straight to HD? I'm sure it's happened once or twice before with other series (Arrested Development I believe), but it would still be a nice little HD landmark for us. Things are definitely changing.

"Anyone who did understand the concept would not want to see black bars." Different concepts.They represent exactly the same concept; filling a 16:9 image area with a 4:3 image.



I respect all that, Ken.No, I don't believe you do. Your comments consistently deride the opinions expressed here.

DirecTV is the only provider so far that has come out and said they'd have the channel in time for the playoffs.
The MLB playoffs are only 3 weeks away. If D* and maybe E* are the only providers with TBS-HD (and only for those who have the newer equipment), no cable companies have it, and TBS-HD is the only place the games are available in HD, there will be a lot of upset HD viewers. This might even make the mainstream press if there are enough sports writers who have HD TVs by now. They are cutting it awfully close for any HD coverage at all by not starting up the TBS-HD channel until beginning of September. Surely, TWC would be adding TBS-HD wherever it could. Right?

I wonder if they are planning to simulcast the games on TNT-HD for this year only just so the games are available to most HD cable & sat subscribers, but won't publicly announce that until a few days before.

Last year I got ESPN2 HD on Comcast the day the World Cup started.

I wonder if they are planning to simulcast the games on TNT-HD for this year only just so the games are available to most HD cable & sat subscribers, but won't publicly announce that until a few days before.

I doubt it. Then there wouldn't be any incentive to add TBS HD.

I wonder if they are planning to simulcast the games on TNT-HD for this year only just so the games are available to most HD cable & sat subscribers, but won't publicly announce that until a few days before.

Not likely as TNT will have their own games, as TNT will be handling any overflow games from TBS.

I hope you're not actually suggesting that ridicule is a valid form of leadership.

Now, don't build a strawman.

There are three main forms of leadership: Leadership by fiat, leadership by education, and leadership by example.

And pls spare us the lecture.

People here lead by example, educate the people who come here with an open mind and also lobby for change. There goes your three compartmentalized model.

And what exactly, was your point ? Its not like we can lead by fiat - after all I'm are not Murdoch :p

The MLB playoffs are only 3 weeks away. If D* and maybe E* are the only providers with TBS-HD (and only for those who have the newer equipment), no cable companies have it,

Wrong. Time Warner Cable in Austin has had TBS-HD since Sept 4. CNN-HD will be added at the end of the month.

Wrong. Time Warner Cable in Austin has had TBS-HD since Sept 4. CNN-HD will be added at the end of the month.

Austin!

Finally we get an answer!!

Austin!

Finally we get an answer!!
+1. yes, finally someone specified a TWC system that has added TBS-HD. Any other cable providers and specific franchise areas that people know of?

Not likely as TNT will have their own games, as TNT will be handling any overflow games from TBS.
Looking at the details, TNT is supposed to get the division series games only when two are scheduled at the same time. TBS is the main network for the division series, so TNT-HD should be available for most games if they go that route. But it is going to be a mess especially since TBS has exclusive rights to the division series and the league championship games with no local broadcasts in the home markets of the two teams in the games. I also can't see how TBS is going to be that well prepared to go from covering one local team to trying to do national broadcasts of 2 or 3 games in one day. Easy prediction: lots of disgruntled fans from the cities of the teams in the playoffs, disgruntled fans who want to see the games in well done HD, and bad press for MLB. But what is new about that?

I also can't see how TBS is going to be that well prepared to go from covering one local team to trying to do national broadcasts of 2 or 3 games in one day. Easy prediction: lots of disgruntled fans from the cities of the teams in the playoffs, disgruntled fans who want to see the games in well done HD, and bad press for MLB. But what is new about that?

You make it sound like TBS is some small local broadcaster. Turner sports have been covering major sporting events for years including the NBA playoffs.

Wrong. Time Warner Cable in Austin has had TBS-HD since Sept 4. CNN-HD will be added at the end of the month.

we are supposed to be getting these two channels soon on oceanic time warner in hawaii too (although they said CNN-HD would be added on 9/1 and it wasn't so it's hard to say when). my guess is they will add them after 9/24 when apparently thay are introducing a wider switched digital implementation.

Screw it. I'm not watching the division series then. It looks like the Yankees will be in the playoffs, but if I can't see it in HD, then it's John Sterling on the radio for me. They'll never beat the Angels in the first round anyways.

If they somehow make it to the ALCS, it will be on FOX, and then I'll start watching.:)

Your comments consistently deride the opinions expressed here.Please believe me when I say I'm not "deriding" but rather presenting an alternative perspective as forcefully as the dominant perspective is presented.

But it is going to be a mess especially since TBS has exclusive rights to the division series and the league championship games with no local broadcasts in the home markets of the two teams in the games. I also can't see how TBS is going to be that well prepared to go from covering one local team to trying to do national broadcasts of 2 or 3 games in one day.

They already do this with TNT for basketball? What's the difference? I think there will be some bumps but the broadcasts will be just as good as the basketball broadcasts.

People trash the BB broadcasts but to my eye they look fine.

Please believe me when I say I'm not "deriding" but rather presenting an alternative perspective as forcefully as the dominant perspective is presented.

Your alternative perspective has been that we here at AVS have no right to complain about decisions like stretch-o-vision because as your signature says we don't have the, "experience, expertise, professionalism, and fiduciary responsibilities" that the people who make these decision have. However, many people here do have experience, expertise, and professionalism in this field. That is why, as Ken's post pointed out AVS has influenced a number of decisions regarding HDTV.

Is it me or does TBS-HD have Zero HD programming right now...

+1. yes, finally someone specified a TWC system that has added TBS-HD. Any other cable providers and specific franchise areas that people know of?


I can confirm that TWC in Austin has TBS-HD though there is zero HD programming on the channel so that's just wonderful. CNN-HD is launching on the 27th on TWC in Austin. Thank heaven for SDV!

Comcast in Baltimore gets TBS HD on 10/1.

Is it me or does TBS-HD have Zero HD programming right now...

I'm curious to know if The Office is syndicated in HD and whether any of the TBS original fare (House of Pain, My Boys, that Blue Collar guy) is HD. To be honest though, I've been bickering with folks in the Verizon thread about how TBS-HD is going to be the biggest waste of time for the foreseeable future. A few people are convinced that a handful of MLB playoff games in HD justifies an entire network (and moreover, justifies carriage of that network more than a network like CNN-HD). I earnestly but respectfully disagree.

Comcast in Baltimore gets TBS HD on 10/1.

Excellent sign, now they should bring it to the markets with teams that actually have a chance of making the playoffs...

From the June press release:The HDTV simulcast of TBS's East Coast feed will offer viewers a stellar line-up of comedy that includes such exclusive programs as the TBS original series My Boys and The Bill Engvall Show, which are being shot in high-definition; first-run series like Tyler Perry's House of Payne, which recently set an ad-supported cable ratings record; hot contemporary sitcoms like Seinfeld, Friends, Everybody Loves Raymond and Sex and the City; and highly rated comedy specials like World's Funniest Commercials. TBS in HD will launch Sunday, Sept. 1.

Excellent sign, now they should bring it to the markets with teams that actually have a chance of making the playoffs...

There will be hell to pay if we do not get it in Red Sox Nation (IE Boston)
831 (the likely slot) awaits.

Is it me or does TBS-HD have Zero HD programming right now...

No, it's not just you. I've not seen any actual HD programming on TBS-HD. It's all been stretched (TV shows, movies, etc).

No, it's not just you. I've not seen any actual HD programming on TBS-HD. It's all been stretched (TV shows, movies, etc).

It's not even stretched here. Everything's in SD except for Braves games.

There will be hell to pay if we do not get it in Red Sox Nation (IE Boston)
831 (the likely slot) awaits.

Same for over here in the NY DMA. The Mets will make it, and the Yanks look awful close to getting the wildcard.

Same for over here in the NY DMA. The Mets will make it, and the Yanks look awful close to getting the wildcard.

If the Yankees want a BIG winning streak it had better not happen this weekend. :)

'Earl' Opens Early On TBS

Network Will Begin Sitcom’s Syndicated Primetime Run Next April.

-- Multichannel News, 9/24/2007 1:56:00 PM

TBS has pushed up its time frame for My Name is Earl.

After securing 2009 stripping rights for the NBC sitcom in June, the very funny network went back to Twentieth TV and now will open early-window rights for My Name in Earl next April.

Although it has not decided on which night the Jason Lee-starrer will air, TBS, according to a network spokeswoman, will present a pair of half-hour episodes back to back, a scheduling strategy it has employed with other shows it gained early syndication windows to: Sex and the City, Tyler Perry’s House of Payne and The Office.

With its latest acquisition gambit, TBS will air Earl 18 months before the show begins running on TV stations in the traditional syndication window.

It was unclear how much TBS paid to secure the early-window rights to Earl, but published reports pegged episode costs in the $550,000 to$625,000 range under the original deal.

TBS declined to comment on the pricing, or which night it has earmarked for Earl.

The network's current schedule – before TBS breaks next month in deference to its coverage of Major League Baseball’s four division series and the National League Championship Series -- places The Office on Tuesday nights and House of Payne on Wednesdays. Sex and the City, Home Box Office's big comedy hit, is now stripped weeknights in late-night.

http://multichannel.com/article/CA6481194.html

Does anybody know if WideOpenWest (WOW) will be getting TBS in HD?

Does anybody know if WideOpenWest (WOW) will be getting TBS in HD?

About a week ago, I emailed the general customer service as well as the Cleveland area manager at WOW and have not received a response yet. Since WOW already has TNTHD, I would hope adding TBSHD wouldn't be a big deal (same company?) It would really suck if the Indians ALDS games were not HD here in the Cleveland market, especially since we've been spoiled by the excellent 1080i PQ of STO for all the regular season home games.

About a week ago, I emailed the general customer service as well as the Cleveland area manager at WOW and have not received a response yet. Since WOW already has TNTHD, I would hope adding TBSHD wouldn't be a big deal (same company?) It would really suck if the Indians ALDS games were not HD here in the Cleveland market, especially since we've been spoiled by the excellent 1080i PQ of STO for all the regular season home games.
I actually contacted WOW support and they said they have no plans of adding TBS HD to the Chicago area lineup. So, I would assume they won't be adding it anywhere else. I am extremely upset by this. If my Cubs make the playoffs, looks like I will be watching the games in low def. Looks like it will be a low def post season. :(
I just don't see how TBS can pull this off. Clearly, everyone is extremely pissed off about the games being aired on TBS since a majority of the people don't get TBS HD. This is pitiful!
*shakes head in disgust*

I just don't see how TBS can pull this off. Clearly, everyone is extremely pissed off about the games being aired on TBS since a majority of the people don't get TBS HD.
A majority of the people don't even have HD, and thus really don't care if it's available in HD or not.

A majority of the people don't even have HD, and thus really don't care if it's available in HD or not.
Obviously. I am just stating for the people that do have HD.

Obviously. I am just stating for the people that do have HD.

Well don't forget - the majority of people with an HDTV set will tune into TBS-SD and think its HD since it'll say "available in HD" at the start of the broadcast.... (or simply because they think everything on their display is now automatically HD)

:rolleyes:

Well don't forget - the majority of people with an HDTV set will tune into TBS-SD and think its HD since it'll say "available in HD" at the start of the broadcast.... (or simply because they think everything on their display is now automatically HD)
Which is one reason why DirecTV (and Dish) are great, because the HD and SD channel numbers are the same. TBS HD launched today on DirecTV, so all people have to do is just go to 247 like they always have, and it'll just magically be HD now. I don't know why cable companies don't do this, it's really a very useful feature.

Cablevision to Add TBS HD to High-Definition Line-Up in Time for Start of Major League Baseball Playoffs

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/070927/nyth111.html?.v=101

Which is one reason why DirecTV (and Dish) are great, because the HD and SD channel numbers are the same. TBS HD launched today on DirecTV, so all people have to do is just go to 247 like they always have, and it'll just magically be HD now. I don't know why cable companies don't do this, it's really a very useful feature.

because sometimes it's better to watch the SD and have the choice to control how you view the image than get stretch-o-vision forced on you.

because sometimes it's better to watch the SD and have the choice to control how you view the image than get stretch-o-vision forced on you.
So watch the SD channel. They're still available, the receiver just goes to the HD channel first.

TBS HD Plays Subscriber Gains

Service Adds Time Warner Cable, Bright House Carriage As MLB Playoffs Near

By R. Thomas Umstead -- Multichannel News, 9/28/2007 8:59:00 AM

Time Warner Cable and Bright House Networks Friday joined Cablevision Systems and Comcast in launching TBS’ HD channel in time for the network’s Major League Baseball postseason coverage.

A Time Warner Cable spokesman said the operator will offer the HD simulcast of the TBS, beginning Oct. 1. The spokesman, however, would not say how many of the operators systems will actually launch the service in time for TBS’ exclusive coverage of baseball’s Divisional series, which are scheduled to begin Oct. 3.

TBS, which has a seven-year pact with MLB through 2013, will also televise the series determining baseball’s National League champions.

Bright House’s Tampa Bay Division has added TBS HD as part of a package of eight HD services that are expected to launch by mid-October. A Bright House spokeswoman, though, would not say whether any of the operator’s others systems will add those other HD services: Food Network, The History Channel, HGTV, Discovery Science Channel, The Learning Channel, Discovery HD and Animal Planet.

Comcast said it would launch TBS HD to about 65% to 70% of its systems by next week, while Cablevision announced it will roll out the service to its more than 800,000 customers

Additionally, DirecTV launched the enhanced version of TBS on Sept. 26 as part of its major HD foray.

Turner Sports spokesman Jeff Pomeroy said the network is prepared to offer any potential playoff “play-in” games in HD along with its postseason coverage. The possibility of a five-way tie among National League playoff contenders could produce several tie-breaking games, beginning Oct. 1.

Turner has exclusive TV rights to any of those play-in games.

http://www.multichannel.com/article/CA6484371.html

TBS HD Plays Subscriber Gains

Service Adds Time Warner Cable, Bright House Carriage As MLB Playoffs Near

By R. Thomas Umstead -- Multichannel News, 9/28/2007 8:59:00 AM

Time Warner Cable and Bright House Networks Friday joined Cablevision Systems and Comcast in launching TBS’ HD channel in time for the network’s Major League Baseball postseason coverage.

A Time Warner Cable spokesman said the operator will offer the HD simulcast of the TBS, beginning Oct. 1. The spokesman, however, would not say how many of the operators systems will actually launch the service in time for TBS’ exclusive coverage of baseball’s Divisional series, which are scheduled to begin Oct. 3.

TBS, which has a seven-year pact with MLB through 2013, will also televise the series determining baseball’s National League champions.

Bright House’s Tampa Bay Division has added TBS HD as part of a package of eight HD services that are expected to launch by mid-October. A Bright House spokeswoman, though, would not say whether any of the operator’s others systems will add those other HD services: Food Network, The History Channel, HGTV, Discovery Science Channel, The Learning Channel, Discovery HD and Animal Planet.

Comcast said it would launch TBS HD to about 65% to 70% of its systems by next week, while Cablevision announced it will roll out the service to its more than 800,000 customers

Additionally, DirecTV launched the enhanced version of TBS on Sept. 26 as part of its major HD foray.

Turner Sports spokesman Jeff Pomeroy said the network is prepared to offer any potential playoff “play-in” games in HD along with its postseason coverage. The possibility of a five-way tie among National League playoff contenders could produce several tie-breaking games, beginning Oct. 1.

Turner has exclusive TV rights to any of those play-in games.

http://www.multichannel.com/article/CA6484371.html

fyi:

5 way tie no longer possible (with Colorado playing Arizona in a 3 game series this weekend while being 2GB)

4 way tie is definitely possible - and would extend tiebreaker games thru wednesday

now lets see which TWC markets actually add TBS-HD.... (since we already knew a few were getting it....)

It appeared on Capital Region TWC(at least in Troy, so I'm assuming Albany and everywhere else in the Capital Region) this morning.

TWC NY/NJ getting it 10/1 !!!

TWC NY/NJ getting it 10/1 !!!
DirecTV got it two days ago!!!

Sorry, it's just been so long since we've had anything to brag about as far as HD channels go. :)

TWC NY/NJ getting it 10/1 !!!

I just found this Forum section... Great friggin news. I hope we get some other HD channels along with it.

I'm a little jelous over the Direct Tv users

There will be hell to pay if we do not get it in Red Sox Nation (IE Boston)
831 (the likely slot) awaits.

Comcast Boston should have it very soon on channel 831 (the placeholder is there for it right now).

Monroe, NJ gets it on 10/3 on channel 220 according to a post in the Comcast HD thread. I guess that means I, in northern Middlesex county, should expect to get it too?

Comcast Boston should have it very soon on channel 831 (the placeholder is there for it right now).

Ya, i just noticed it a few minutes ago and came on to see if there was any more news on when it'll be active.

Does anyone have any idea how TBS HD was able to get all theses carriage deals done so fast?
It has to be some kind of record, and I find it hard to believe that the MLB playoffs in HD are a big enough reason for every cable co' to add this channel so quickly. I assume TBS HD isn't charging as much as other are for their HD feeds.

They have known the launch date for a year now. They probably have been quietly negotiating that entire time. They very well may have reached principle agreements for some of the cable companies a decent amount of time ago, and just never announced it.

It's a Time Warner company. Instant carriage is pretty much assured - plus they've had plenty of time to take care of it. It was only being held back waiting for the D* launch.

It's a Time Warner company. Instant carriage is pretty much assured - plus they've had plenty of time to take care of it. It was only being held back waiting for the D* launch.

Then where's CNN HD?

It's working its way around, I think TWC of one of the Carolina's is getting it or has it already.

Then where's CNN HD?

I mean instant carriage as far as no contentious time consuming negotiations. Actual carriage on each system will still depend on them having available bandwidth.

Then where's CNN HD?

CNN to be added to Comcast in Boston on 10/2, same day as TBS.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=11731598&postcount=3972

Time Warner has turned on CNN HD in Texas. Anderson Cooper is now playing in HD (no stretching like TBS HD and TNT HD).

We had TBSHD(zero HD) ,and CNN HD(barely HD) added to our TWC system in South Carolina.

Doesn't TBS show 90s sitcom reruns 75% of its broadcast day? Is it worth the bandwidth to have Carlton and Uncle Phil upscaled in 4:3?

Doesn't TBS show 90s sitcom reruns 75% of its broadcast day? Is it worth the bandwidth to have Carlton and Uncle Phil upscaled in 4:3?

read the thread

tbs = baseball postseason

I know TBS is showing the divisional playoffs and the NLCS. That's two weeks, the other 50 they show Everybody Loves Raymond and Roseanne ad infinitum.

I know TBS is showing the divisional playoffs and the NLCS. That's two weeks, the other 50 they show Everybody Loves Raymond and Roseanne ad infinitum.

the rush for TBS HD was ONLY because of the baseball games.

after that - it wont be any different that A&E HD, or any other regular cable channel with almost nothing to offer in HD (until the next season - when tbs will have a weekly HD baseball game on sunday afternoons)

but thats the new trend- all cable networks getting HD channels going now... even without much content.

just look at DirecTV's list of upcoming channels.

I know, I skip over A&E HD a lot. I don't think that channel shows one thing I would ever be interested in actually watching. I like the Sopranos, but not in its censored form. I blame MLB (when have they done anything right?) for putting the playoffs on a channel that had no HD carriage as of a few weeks ago. They should have mandated that this first year, games would be on TNT-HD since everybody has that. After all, MLB's core audience is older rich guys with HDTVs.

I know, I skip over A&E HD a lot. I don't think that channel shows one thing I would ever be interested in actually watching. I like the Sopranos, but not in its censored form. I blame MLB (when have they done anything right?) for putting the playoffs on a channel that had no HD carriage as of a few weeks ago. They should have mandated that this first year, games would be on TNT-HD since everybody has that. After all, MLB's core audience is older rich guys with HDTVs.

ok - do some research first....

The MLB-TBS deal was announced OVER A YEAR AGO.

TBS-HD has had a 9/1 launch date FOR MONTHS.

At this point - almost every major carrier has a deal in place....

(MLB OBVIOUSLY doesn't care about HD that much - since FOX only started doing just one game a week in HD this regular season)

I know TBS is showing the divisional playoffs and the NLCS. That's two weeks, the other 50 they show Everybody Loves Raymond and Roseanne ad infinitum.And that really underscores the reason why this push for HD is somewhat off-the-mark. Even for the channels I'm looking for the most, I would probably not be watching them until next June, anyway.

No HD channel has value until it's carried by a cableco, right?

True, but I think ZDrive's point is that even after they are carried, different HD channels offer different levels of value, and so all the excitement about TBS HD for HD's own sake may be at least somewhat over-emphasized. I watched My Boys last summer, but decided it wasn't worth a second look this summer. And I don't watch baseball. So TBS HD will hold no value for me, even after it is carried. Of course, the channels that hold value for people will vary (person to person). I think TBS HD is one of the channels that will hold value for a certain number of people, even after the baseball playoffs, but many of the HD channels already out there and coming soon probably won't.

That's the value in adding as many as possible. Every sub will probably find a few very valuable channels among a large lineup.

Personally, TBS isn't one of those I care about - but I have no interest in baseball either.

Nothing like getting the Braves in HD, today. Too bad the game doesn't mean anything. We used to get Braves home games in HD, but never a road game like today. Looks incredible.

Wow...the baseball looks great. Bodes well for the playoffs...

TBS HD is right now the worst HD channel available

it's unwatchable!

Holy contradictory messages, Batman!

Any chance D* will mirror TBS-HD on one of the 90's MPEG2 channels during the playoffs for folks who don't have the new MPEG4 gear yet?

Any chance D* will mirror TBS-HD on one of the 90's MPEG2 channels during the playoffs for folks who don't have the new MPEG4 gear yet?

I don't think that would be a wise move. DirecTV needs to encourage people to get away from legacy equipment. It's not like the transition came overnight, mpeg4 equipment has been available for two years already.

TBS HD is right now the worst HD channel available

it's unwatchable!


The Braves game was in HD, and A&EHD, LMNHD,and CNNHD had no HD. So, today TBS doesn't get the worst HD channel award.

TBS HD is right now the worst HD channel available

it's unwatchable!Agreed. It has some use for baseball playoffs but after that it will return to being totally useless. D* should drop it after the playoffs until it stops the false advertising and proves that it knows what HD is.

You know the channel will not dropped by any provider. If the screen is filled then the providers are happy. TNTHD set the standard.

TNT may have tried to set a standard - but thankfully, most are doing it right.

TNT may have tried to set a standard - but thankfully, most are doing it right.

There is still lots of non HD on their channel. The guide of course shows everything is HD. TBS guide also shows everything is HD.:rolleyes:

FYI

Padres @ Rockies - tomorrow 7:37PM EDT - TBS-HD

TBS will get a nice test run for the postseason.

I don't think that would be a wise move. DirecTV needs to encourage people to get away from legacy equipment. It's not like the transition came overnight, mpeg4 equipment has been available for two years already.
I agree. I also don't think that they should show the NFL Network games on 95 in MPEG2 like they did last year. It's time for the stragglers to either get on board or be left behind.

Source tells me that Comcast of North New Jersey may be seeing a "preview" of TBS-HD starting tonight, probably because of the game that's now scheduled tomorrow.

I don't see this offered for my provider... TBS-HD that is. Will they broadcast it on TNT-HD here then? I emailed them since I couldn't get through customer service...

I don't see this offered for my provider... TBS-HD that is. Will they broadcast it on TNT-HD here then? I emailed them since I couldn't get through customer service...

Who is your provider? And no, it won't be broadcast on TNT-HD. There are a few games which conflict with each other, and only those will be broadcast on both TBS and TNT.

Who is your provider? And no, it won't be broadcast on TNT-HD. There are a few games which conflict with each other, and only those will be broadcast on both TBS and TNT.


Midcontinent Cable Sioux Falls. I really want to see this game in HD :mad:

Huge baseball fan.

Same here - former Adelphia subs in southern NH have to wait until the first week of November from what Comcast CS is saying. One thing I'm seeing, however, is that they lit up 761 this week with a "TBS HD coming soon" display.

Midcontinent Cable Sioux Falls. I really want to see this game in HD :mad:

Huge baseball fan.

That stinks for you man, small Cable Co ain't able to provide for you. Comcast over here is going to add it by the latest on Wednesday, I hear tonight or tomorrow morning because of the new game tomorrow night.

TBS HD just added here in Montclair, VA in time for the postseason!

TBS HD is live as advertised on TWC-NYC

I hate RCN Chicago with all my heart. I call them asking about TBS HD and of course, they have no idea what I am talking about. Looks like I will be watching the Cubs in SD on my plasma. Yuck.

Down to Wire for TBS

As Pennant Races Heat Up, HD Deals Are Trickling In

By R. Thomas Umstead -- Multichannel News, 10/1/2007

As TBS prepared for what could be an unprecedented week of post-season baseball coverage, several satellite and cable systems stepped onto the field to pitch all of the network’s high-definition playoff coverage to their subscribers.

Time Warner Cable, Cox Communications and Bright House on Friday joined Cablevision Systems, DirecTV and Comcast in launching the network, called TBS in HD, by the start of October — in time for the network’s exclusive coverage of baseball’s Division Series round, which begins Oct. 3.

But there could be extra innings before those series even begin. Entering the weekend, there was the possibility of as many as four tie-breaking, regular season contests that could air on Oct. 1, according to executives from all parties.

The TBS in HD deals were part of a very busy week in the high-definition arena that saw the two satellite-TV services, DirecTV and EchoStar Communications’ Dish Network, ramp up their offerings in the format. Comcast attempted to keep pace with the launch of several HD services its home Philadelphia market.

Time Warner Cable will offer the HD simulcast of corporate sibling TBS’s signal beginning Oct. 1, corporate communications director Maureen Huff said. But Huff would not say how many of the cable operator’s systems will actually launch the service in time for TBS’s baseball playoff coverage.

That coverage is part of the network’s seven-year pact with MLB, which runs through 2013. The package also includes exclusive coverage of baseball’s National League Championship Series.

Along with TWC, Bright House’s Tampa Bay, Fla., and Central Florida divisions have added TBS in HD as part of a package of eight HD services expected to launch by mid-October. A Bright House spokesperson, however, would not say whether any of its other systems have added those HD services, which also include Food Network, The History Channel, HGTV, Discovery Science Channel, TLC, Discovery HD and Animal Planet.

Comcast and Cox executives said they plan to launch TBS in HD in a majority of its systems by next week. Earlier this week, Cablevision Systems said it will roll out the service to its more than 800,000 customers.

Dish Network executives said it has not reached a deal to distribute TBS in HD.

The network has deals with “multiple affiliates and we expect them to roll out as they have bandwidth and as it fits with their HD strategy,” Turner Broadcasting System vice president of corporate communications Misty Skedgell said. But she declined to comment on details.

As for TBS’s on-the-field HD coverage, Turner Sports senior director Jeff Pomeroy said the network is prepared to offer any potential playoff “play-in” games in HD along with its post-season coverage. The possibility of a four-way tie among National League wild card playoff contenders could produce up to four tie-breaking games that would have to be played over two days beginning Oct. 2 if the playoffs are to begin on schedule.

http://www.multichannel.com/article/CA6485618.html

I haven't read this entire thread, but, does anyone know why DirecTV is transmitting this channel in 720p instead of it's native 1080i format as indicated by the first couple of posts in this thread?

This has to be some kind of record, I have Comcast and got a new HD channel the day it debuted. TBSHD live this morning.

We(Philadelphia) finally cought up to the rest of the Comcast areas with the addition of 5 new HD channels last tuesday, this tuesday we got TBSHD, what does next tuesday hold? I'm getting spoiled:p

This has to be some kind of record, I have Comcast and got a new HD channel the day it debuted.You mean just one month after its debut, right?

This has to be some kind of record, I have Comcast and got a new HD channel the day it debuted. TBSHD live this morning.

We(Philadelphia) finally cought up to the rest of the Comcast areas with the addition of 5 new HD channels last tuesday, this tuesday we got TBSHD, what does next tuesday hold? I'm getting spoiled:p

Today is Monday.

You mean just one month after its debut, right?

First day on Comcast.

No TBS-HD early for Comcast NJ, got pushed to regular launch 10/3

i dont think we have it here in michigan yet either, my dad is gonna be mad because he loves to watch baseball and its gonna be in terrible quality/

TBSHD is up on Comcast CH 807...currently showing King of Queens, stretched, it looks terrible.

I'm sure the Baseball will look great, but this is horrible.

TBSHD is up on Comcast CH 807...currently showing King of Queens, stretched, it looks terrible.

I'm sure the Baseball will look great, but this is horrible.

Lets make sure people are clear about this...

TBS currently doesn't have any HD versions of its syndicated shows.....

The HD channel was rushed for MLB coverage.

If there is anything else on the channel that is HD in the near future.... it would be a miracle...

(we hope they're figuring something out.... movies and some of the newer shows they have in syndication are doable.... similar to TNT)

In a surprising move, my local cable company (Blue Ridge) is adding TBS HD by Wednesday.

You folks who are getting TBS-HD showing up on your cable systems, is it being transmitted in 1080i?

Lets make sure people are clear about this...

TBS currently doesn't have any HD versions of its syndicated shows.....

The HD channel was rushed for MLB coverage.

If there is anything else on the channel that is HD in the near future.... it would be a miracle...

(we hope they're figuring something out.... movies and some of the newer shows they have in syndication are doable.... similar to TNT)

I'm fully aware of this, but it's still stretched, and looks NOT good.

I do expect "The Office" and other shows to be in HD. IF all they are going to do is the Divisional Series, what's the point?

Being in Atlanta, all they did was put TBSHD into the old WTBS "hd spot". But you probably knew this too.

Being in Atlanta, all they did was put TBSHD into the old WTBS "hd spot". But you probably knew this too.

I was curious what was gonna happen there...

so no WPCH-HD?

You folks who are getting TBS-HD showing up on your cable systems, is it being transmitted in 1080i?


Yes, 1080i, Brave's game yesterday looked much better than any Fox game.(in my opinion)

Is TBS-HD being broadcast in the clear over QAM for Comcast subs? Someone asked in the Comcast thread, got no response.

TBS-HD is now broadcasting on Comcast in Boston...

It's here now too! Mighty fine quality too!

TBS-HD with the "play-in" Padres/Rockies game, live here in Cleveland on Time Warner Cable ch. 778. It went up without notice sometime during the day, as it wasn't on when I left for work.

The game looks great. One of the best HD games I've seen.

I assume the rest of the channel is Stretch-O-Vision.

Yes, 1080i, Brave's game yesterday looked much better than any Fox game.(in my opinion)

Thanks, and your cable company is?

TBS-HD with the "play-in" Padres/Rockies game, live here in Cleveland on Time Warner Cable ch. 778. It went up without notice sometime during the day, as it wasn't on when I left for work.

The game looks great. One of the best HD games I've seen.

I assume the rest of the channel is Stretch-O-Vision.


You assume correctlly. It's really a shame, too, because I was watching Family Guy earlier and, aside from it being stretched, it was an absolutely crystal clear broadcast. For some reason my projector won't allow me to shift everything to 4:3 mode, even if I set it to 4:3 it's still stretched.:(

If there is anything else on the channel that is HD in the near future.... it would be a miracle...
Not necessarily. At least two of their original series will be available in HD. See the HDTV Programming Synopsis for details.

Is TBS-HD being broadcast in the clear over QAM for Comcast subs? Someone asked in the Comcast thread, got no response.Very unlikely, unless it's a mistake or just a brief, initial gift.

Not necessarily. At least two of their original series will be available in HD. See the HDTV Programming Synopsis for details.

Sorry - I meant other than the original stuff.... which is very very very little (and I honestly dont know anyone that actually watches TBS original content anyways...)

We never did get TBS-HD in San Diego on TimeWarner,so we had to watch it on the regular SD channel. And, now that we know the results of the play-in game (nice going Trevor! :mad:), I for one, no longer give a frak if and/or when the HD channel shows up.

Looks like the TBS-HD ch 247 resolution problem has been fixed, it's now being sent at 1080i, as it should be.

Well, it's just like it's sister HD channel, goood ol Stretch-O-Vision.

Charter here in Athens.

Our SD TBS moved to a different channel.

We now get peachtree tv where tbs' old spot was.

I got looking for TBS HD and instead of that being there, WPCH-HD is there... and I'm not even authorized to use it!

I just lost TBS HD. :mad::mad::mad::mad:

Charter here in Athens.

Our SD TBS moved to a different channel.

We now get peachtree tv where tbs' old spot was.

I got looking for TBS HD and instead of that being there, WPCH-HD is there... and I'm not even authorized to use it!

I just lost TBS HD. :mad::mad::mad::mad:

You had WTBS..... not TBS....

WTBS became WPCH - and stopped simulcasting TBS content.

Your provider had to add a new TBS channel (that the rest of the country has been getting) - and also needs to add the TBS-HD channel that the rest of the country is getting (you've had WTBS-HD - which turned into WPCH-HD)

Yea I knew this, just wanted to gripe and complain. I guess I should have posted about the lack of the national TBS HD with Charter.

I'm not sure when the changeover occured on the OTA but it was likely either today or yesterday. I know that on Saturday, WTBS OTA in Atlanta on 17-1 was broadcasting the same shows as TBS on D* 247. Tonight, the 17-1 OTA does show Peachtree TV and is running a different show than TBS on D* 247. I remember wondering on Saturday whether or not there would be future difference, despite what I read here on AVS Forum......Now I know it is true. I guess I never should have doubted:)

Once again, what is the point of having a HD channel, when you don't show any HD?

The Office is on right now and it is filmed in widescreen. So we get bars on the top and bottom of the screen and it's stretched.

Get on this crap Turner.

I'm not sure when the changeover occured on the OTA but it was likely either today or yesterday. I know that on Saturday, WTBS OTA in Atlanta on 17-1 was broadcasting the same shows as TBS on D* 247. Tonight, the 17-1 OTA does show Peachtree TV and is running a different show than TBS on D* 247. I remember wondering on Saturday whether or not there would be future difference, despite what I read here on AVS Forum......Now I know it is true. I guess I never should have doubted:)

Living in the Atlanta Metro area, this was covered extensively in the AJC. The passing on a long time station, etc. I wonder why the local ads touting the new channel numbers don't bother to mention TBSHD is on 807 on Comcast, they only reference the SD station on 39.

Is TWC adding this channel?

TBS stretchovision makes TNT stretchovision look like true HD...its really bad.

Plus, there are at least a few shows I know are available in HD that they dont seem to have in HD (The Office, Yes Dear, and The King of Queens), and I think the original press release said Seinfeld would be in HD? Yet the bit I caught of it last night was also in the low-quality stretch. Outside of baseball, this is easily a much bigger waste of bandwidth than TNT ever was.

I posted this in the Verizon master thread, but thought it made sense to post here as well. For thouse of you that will not receive TBS-HD in time for the playoffs and are as bitter about the situation as I am, there is an opportunity to voice your frustrations to USA TODAY.... read on....


I am in Philadelphia and, as a Verizon subscriber, will be HD-less through the NLCS. There is an article in today's USA TODAY that discusses the MLB move to TBS. Though the primary focus of the article is the move of playoff coverage from OTA to cable, we frustrated fans are presented with an opportunity to take our argument to the press.

On the USA TODAY online front page of the sports section (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/default.htm) there is a link where you can click to write about your unhappiness with the current TBS situation. This presents us all with an opportunity to have our voices heard, and to force MLB, TBS, Verizon, others to answer for this debacle in this press. If you are as PO'd as me, I encourage you to take the time to express your dismay.

I just submitted the following email:

To whom it may concern:

As a Verizon FiOS TV subscriber in suburban Philadelphia, I do not, and have been by Verizon that I will not, have access to TBS-HD for the 2007 MLB playoffs. It is hard to believe that for the first time that the Phillies make the playoffs in 14 years, I'll be reduced to watching them in the same standard definition quality that I saw in 1993. It is utterly ridiculous that in the year 2007, everybody in the US with an HDTV and a cable/satellite provider that offers HD programming will not have access to watch the 2007 MLB playoffs in glorious HD.

While I applaud DirecTV, Comcast, and others for launching TBS-HD immediately prior to the playoffs (in some instances, the channel was added this AM), other providers (Verizon and Dish Network to name two) were unable, unwilling, or perhaps ignorant to the ramifications of not launching TBS-HD. While these providers are certainly at fault , I cannot understand why MLB would allow Turner to rush out a brand new HD channel for TBS literally hours/days before the playoffs --- for the sake of simplicity and accommodation, wouldn't it have been a better idea to broadcast the games on TNT-HD as TNT-HD is already universally available through most, if not all, cable & satellite providers.

I watched the Little League World Series in HD, but not the MLB playoffs!?!?! MLB and TBS should be ashamed for their poor planning and execution.... Verizon and the other providers that failed to launch TBS-HD in time for the playoffs should be equally criticized for their lack of proactivity on behalf of their customer base. It is an embarrassment to MLB that, in 2007, many fans will be left in the dark when it comes to HD for the playoffs.



If we make enough noise, we may still not get what we want (the playoffs in HD for 2007), but at least MLB, TBS, Verizon, etc. will have to answer for this debacle in the press... Let 'em have it!

GO PHILS!

^^ You might want to get you facts straight. Time Warner Cable carries TBS HD on as many of their systems as practical. In fact, their parent company even owns TBS HD.

^^ You might want to get you facts straight. Time Warner Cable carries TBS HD on as many of their systems as practical. In fact, their parent company even owns TBS HD.

Sorry bout that - I was under the impression from reading other posts that TBS-HD was not universally available on TWC. I have removed their mention from my post.

Sorry bout that - I was under the impression from reading other posts that TBS-HD was not universally available on TWC. I have removed their mention from my post.

That's the nature of cable. There are still a lot of old 550Mhz systems out there that don't have enough bandwidth to add anything.

Just about every major cable provider (including Comcast, Time Warner, Cox, Cablevision and Bright House) have agreed to carry TBS HD and are launching it in as many systems as practical before the opening pitch.

I posted this in the Verizon master thread, but thought it made sense to post here as well. For thouse of you that will not receive TBS-HD in time for the playoffs and are as bitter about the situation as I am, there is an opportunity to voice your frustrations to USA TODAY.... read on....


I am in Philadelphia and, as a Verizon subscriber, will be HD-less through the NLCS. There is an article in today's USA TODAY that discusses the MLB move to TBS. Though the primary focus of the article is the move of playoff coverage from OTA to cable, we frustrated fans are presented with an opportunity to take our argument to the press.

On the USA TODAY online front page of the sports section (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/default.htm) there is a link where you can click to write about your unhappiness with the current TBS situation. This presents us all with an opportunity to have our voices heard, and to force MLB, TBS, Verizon, others to answer for this debacle in this press. If you are as PO'd as me, I encourage you to take the time to express your dismay.

I just submitted the following email:

To whom it may concern:

As a Verizon FiOS TV subscriber in suburban Philadelphia, I do not, and have been told that I will not have access to TBS-HD for the MLB playoffs. It is hard to believe that for the one time that my beloved Phillies make the playoffs in 14 years, I'll be reduced to watching them in the same standard definition quality that I saw in 1993. It is utterly ridiculous that in 2007, everybody in the US with an HDTV and a cable/satellite provider that offers HD programming will not have access to watch the 2007 MLB playoffs in glorious HD.

While I applaud DirecTV, Comcast, and others for launching TBS-HD immediately prior to the playoffs (in some instances, the channel was added this AM), other providers (Verizon and Dish Network - to name two) were unable, unwilling, or perhaps ignorant to the ramifications of not launching TBS-HD. While these providers are certainly at fault , I cannot understand why MLB/Turner would choose to rush out a brand new HD channel for TBS literally hours/days before the playoffs --- for the sake of simplicity and accommodation, wouldn't it have been just as easy to broadcast the games on TNT-HD as TNT-HD is already universally available through most, if not all, cable & satellite providers.

The Little League World Series in available in HD, but not the MLB playoffs!?!?! MLB and TBS should be ashamed for their poor planning and execution.... Verizon and the other providers that failed to launch TBS-HD in time for the playoffs should be equally criticized for their lack of proactivity on behalf of their customer base. It is an embarrassment to MLB that, in 2007, many fans will be left in the dark when it comes to HD for the playoffs.



If we make enough noise, we may still not get what we want (the playoffs in HD for 2007), but at least MLB, TBS, Verizon, etc. will have to answer for this debacle in the press... Let 'em have it!

GO PHILS!

That's what I don't get. Why didn't they put the postseason on TNT? Why bother putting it on their sister network, whom is not as popular as TNT? Is TNT too busy showing a Law & Order marathon again? My provider (Cablevision) added TBS-HD this week, but they should of put the games on TNT, to make it right and let everyone see the postseason in HD.

Why didn't they put the postseason on TNT? Why bother putting it on their sister network, whom is not as popular as TNT?I'm sure that's the whole idea.

Since the MLB postseason is on TBS, we're seeing cable companies rushing to get TBS-HD carriage deals in place. If it were on TNT, the deals for TBS-HD would probably be a lot slower to take place...

I'm sure that's the whole idea.

Since the MLB postseason is on TBS, we're seeing cable companies rushing to get TBS-HD carriage deals in place. If it were on TNT, the deals for TBS-HD would probably be a lot slower to take place...

BINGO
ESPN uses this tactic as well

Once again, what is the point of having a HD channel, when you don't show any HD?

The Office is on right now and it is filmed in widescreen. So we get bars on the top and bottom of the screen and it's stretched.

Get on this crap Turner.

I tuned in last night knowing that it was shot in HD and wondering how it would be presented. I was expecting the usual 4:3 stretch...

TBS treatment of HD is definitely not very funny.

Also - because TBS has been doing baseball for years (ok... just Braves baseball - but still).
Its not like TBS is an 'ugly stepchild' network that Versus is... EVERYONE has TBS on basic... and its one of the oldest cable networks!

And again... stop thinking that HD is the 'be all and end all' - if MLB REALLY cared about HD - they wouldn't let the Orioles owner get away with running MASN with no HD at all.... (Nationals are unfortunately stuck...)
And they wouldn't let FOX do just one Saturday game a week in HD (when they are obviously capable of doing more)

(And this really was a great strategy by Time Warner... look how many carriers have added TBS-HD.... and check back in 6 months and see the fraction of that amount that has added USA-HD - which is probably going to have to wait until late next summer to see a boom in carrier pickups for the US Tennis Open)

I will have to see if Cox - Orange County puts this game on Mojo or some other channel.

Cox-OC does not have TBS-HD, so it appears that I may be relegated to SD tonight like I was for the Padres game on Monday. Oh yeah, the Angels are local to Cox-OC no less. They have yet to respond to my pleas.

Losing Hockey to Versus last year was bad enough.

Can broadcast networks no longer compete for sports in the modern world? (at least on weekdays)

Once again, what is the point of having a HD channel, when you don't show any HD?

The Office is on right now and it is filmed in widescreen. So we get bars on the top and bottom of the screen and it's stretched.

Get on this crap Turner.That is inexcusable. I'd rather not have this channel wasting bandwidth on my system. What an absolute disgrace. :mad: I may go so far as to petition Comcast to remove this station from our lineup since it's utterly useless. Is there anything in HD on this channel besides MLB?

Their new original series (My Boys, The Bill Engvall SHow and presumably the upcoming Frank TV) are shot in HD.

I wouldn't mind if they re-showed My Boys now that TBS-HD is here...

I'm curious why TBS-HD would not show their syndicated shows in HD. There must be a reason:

1: they need a separate contract (or contract amendment) to get the rights to broadcast in HD?

2: there is some technical complication that TBS has not figured out yet (or they do not have the right equipment installed yet)?

3: they want to show HD but the suppliers keep sending SD tapes?

4: they don't think anyone cares?

Has anyone heard an official reason?

I'm curious why TBS-HD would not show their syndicated shows in HD. There must be a reason:

1: they need a separate contract (or contract amendment) to get the rights to broadcast in HD?

2: there is some technical complication that TBS has not figured out yet (or they do not have the right equipment installed yet)?

3: they want to show HD but the suppliers keep sending SD tapes?

4: they don't think anyone cares?

Has anyone heard an official reason?

It's more likely they were concentrating on MLB in HD first - and will work on the rest afterwards.

Any chance D* will mirror TBS-HD on one of the 90's MPEG2 channels during the playoffs for folks who don't have the new MPEG4 gear yet?

Why yes they are. Watching the Cubs/Diamondbacks in HD on channel 95 with an HTL-HD and triple LNB dish. :thumbsup:

Today TBS is showing Swordfish and Glaidiator in SD. They were in HD on TNT.

Today TBS is showing Swordfish and Glaidiator in SD. They were in HD on TNT.

I'm not shocked. Outside of baseball, I haven't seen a single program in HD. Seems like a waste.

Once again, what is the point of having a HD channel, when you don't show any HD?

The Office is on right now and it is filmed in widescreen. So we get bars on the top and bottom of the screen and it's stretched.

Get on this crap Turner.
I saw the same thing last night. With the weird letterboxed-yet-stretched presentation they used, it was unwatchable. Why would they do that?

Why would they do that?
The same reason they stretch in the first place: because they're morons.

The first National League Championship Series broadcast on cable is over and the ratings for the week ended Oct. 14 paint a less-than-pretty picture for TBS, with the series posting record lows.

Averaging a 2.8 rating/6 share, the Colorado Rockies-Arizona Diamondbacks series on TBS was hurt by several things, including a Rockies four-game sweep, a 10 p.m. start time for two games and its two little-known, small-market teams.

The series is down 61 percent from last year’s NLCS pitting the St. Louis Cardinals against the New York Mets, which averaged a 7.1/12 on Fox.

The American League Championship Series on Fox, however, is up 15 percent from last year in ratings (6.2/11 vs. 5.4/10).

http://www.tvweek.com/news/2007/10/nlcs_on_tbs_posts_record_low_r.php

I haven't watched anything on TBS-STRETCH since MLB ended.