Sorry if this is a very stupid question, but I just got the xbox 360 hd dvd add-on and Batman Begins.

On my 1080i toshiba television HDNets' movies look like they are in a higer resolution than my HD DVD.

Are my eyes just playing tricks on me, or is the 1080p video on my disc being downgraded to a quality worse than HDNets' native 1080i content? Aren't 1080i and 1080p the same resolution?

... And my television supposedly converts 1080i to 1080p anyways...so what's the difference?

Both the xbox and my cable box are hooked up through hdmi connections and configured properly (as far as I know).

Someone please tell me my eyes are deceiving me!

first you'd have to compare the same content, film grain often in movies won't be as sharp looking as say "bikini destinations". But HD-Net is lower resolution than HD DVD or Blu-Ray. Directv, Dish and Cable are offering HD-Lite to boot for HD-Net, so you aren't getting the full 1920x1080i anyway. I think it's downrezzed to something like 1440x1080.

I am not sure about HDNet but I always felt that the Cable HD version of Batman Begins to be sharper than the HD DVD version though it was filled with macroblocking effects and color inaccuracy.

The answer to your question is going to depend on a number of factors

1. What is your source for HDNET? If it is a low compression, high bitrate signal, then you may be in the ballpark. A high compression, low bitrate signal (sat HD) will just not make it most of the time. I get HDNET and HDNET movies at 1920x1080i.

2. What programming? PQ varies from show to show from movie to movie.

So to answer your question, I have seen some programming on HDNET and HDNET movies that is the equal of some of the top tier 2 HD DVD and Blu Ray titles. I have seen some BD and HD DVD material that was abysmal.

There is no question that Cuban's HDNET channels on my high bit rate cablesystem provides top quality PQ. WHich is why I archive their material in 1080i as much as possible.

Batman Begins does contain the Image Constraint Token so the movie is downgraded in resolution over analog connections. This restricts the high-definition signal output to DVD quality on non-HDCP connections. This forces the player to downgrade its original 1920x1080 resolution to 960x540.

You would need an HDMI connection to a HDCP device to view this movie in High Definition.

Batman Begins does contain the Image Constraint Token so the movie is downgraded in resolution over analog connections. This restricts the high-definition signal output to DVD quality on non-HDCP connections. This forces the player to downgrade its original 1920x1080 resolution to 960x540.

You would need an HDMI connection to a HDCP device to view this movie in High Definition.



Are you sure about that? I wasnt aware of any HD DVDs using ICT yet?


Kevin

Batman Begins does contain the Image Constraint Token so the movie is downgraded in resolution over analog connections. This restricts the high-definition signal output to DVD quality on non-HDCP connections. This forces the player to downgrade its original 1920x1080 resolution to 960x540.

You would need an HDMI connection to a HDCP device to view this movie in High Definition.
can anyone confirm? I never heard this. I thought ICT was not implemented at all yet

I don't know who frh is but he is 100% wrong on this one. I wonder why he posted such inaccurate information.

Batman Begins does contain the Image Constraint Token so the movie is downgraded in resolution over analog connections. This restricts the high-definition signal output to DVD quality on non-HDCP connections. This forces the player to downgrade its original 1920x1080 resolution to 960x540.

You would need an HDMI connection to a HDCP device to view this movie in High Definition.


WHOA WHOA WHOOAAAAAAA!!

Slow down...that's not quite right. 1080i is NOT 540P. 1080i is infact 1920x1080, except for overall framerate (for 60Hz original material). But for 24Hz material (e.g. movies), 1080i & 1080P sent to a fixed pixel 1080P TV are virtually the same.

Sorry if this is a very stupid question, but I just got the xbox 360 hd dvd add-on and Batman Begins.

On my 1080i toshiba television HDNets' movies look like they are in a higer resolution than my HD DVD.

Are my eyes just playing tricks on me, or is the 1080p video on my disc being downgraded to a quality worse than HDNets' native 1080i content? Aren't 1080i and 1080p the same resolution?

... And my television supposedly converts 1080i to 1080p anyways...so what's the difference?

Both the xbox and my cable box are hooked up through hdmi connections and configured properly (as far as I know).

Someone please tell me my eyes are deceiving me!

I get HDNET over Verizon FiOS and the image quality is usually stellar. At the same time I have many hd dvd's (and BD) and a good disk is better, although many times the difference would be hard for most people to see since it we are talking about 2 presentations that both look great.

I'd make sure all the display settings in the system blade were correct on my Xbox which since your TV is max 1080i then 1080i should be your setting. You could also experiment with the 3 video level settings just see the affect.

You also have to try to compare the same type of content, movie vs movie for instance. Since you're running hdmi on both you must have an Elite 360. You could also try running you 360 via component to make sure your hdmi connection looks as you would expect.

some incorrect info here: remember challenge the information in a post: not the poster

ICT has not been implemented [yet]

Batman Begins does contain the Image Constraint Token so the movie is downgraded in resolution over analog connections. This restricts the high-definition signal output to DVD quality on non-HDCP connections. This forces the player to downgrade its original 1920x1080 resolution to 960x540.

You would need an HDMI connection to a HDCP device to view this movie in High Definition.


Wow. couldn't be more incorrect.

how big is your tv?? I have a 60inch sxrd, the monster cable made the picture noticeably sharper on mine and better color saturation. I doubt you'll see much difference on a 40inch or smaller.

how big is your tv?? I have a 60inch sxrd, the monster cable made the picture noticeably sharper on mine and better color saturation. I doubt you'll see much difference on a 40inch or smaller.
wow! either you have bionic eyes, or your original cable was working incorrectly

wow! either you have bionic eyes


thanks!

if your tv is 1080i and not 1080p that means that your tv is downconverting any source sent via 1080p or 1080i. Your tv will only show movies or shows at its native resolution and from your post it does not sound like that is 1920x1080.

So I get the sense that I must have just been crazy. I tried King Kong last night (it came with the player) and that looked pretty good.

I think the grain and whatnot in HDNets movies give them a "film" look that makes everything seem bigger or better.

My only worry is that for every post that says there should be no difference between 1080i and 1080p for movies there is a post like the one above this that says my "tv is downconverting any source sent via 1080p or 1080i". What does this mean exactly?

if your tv is 1080i and not 1080p that means that your tv is downconverting any source sent via 1080p or 1080i. Your tv will only show movies or shows at its native resolution and from your post it does not sound like that is 1920x1080.

What makes you assume his tv's native resolution is not 1920x1080? He said only it was 1080i. If fixed pixel type then the native resolution is likely 1920x1080.


² All fixed-pixel displays are natively progressive-scan, meaning that even if the source is interlaced, they'll convert it to progressive-scan for display. That's why, for example, you'll hear about a "1080p LCD" but never a "1080i LCD."

If he has hdtv CRT then it has no 'native resolution' persay, but it is capable of displaying 1080x1920 by deifinition (1080i set) and probably uses line doubling or such to make the image close to progressive like anyway.

Beyond that his issue is that the 1080i hdnet broadcast appears to look better than the 1080i hd dvd on the same hdtv set. So the native resolution is not the issue?

What makes you assume his tv's native resolution is not 1920x1080? He said only it was 1080i. If fixed pixel type then the native resolution is likely 1920x1080.




If he has hdtv CRT then it has no 'native resolution' persay, but it is capable of displaying 1080x1920 by deifinition (1080i set) and probably uses line doubling or such to make the image close to progressive like anyway.

Beyond that his issue is that the 1080i hdnet broadcast appears to look better than the 1080i hd dvd on the same hdtv set. So the native resolution is not the issue?

Every single lcd, plasma and dlp tv that I've ever seen advertised as 1080i or accepting 1080i signal has a resolution of 1366x768 or 720p resolution. If the native resolution is 1920x1080 then I would almost guarantee it accepts a 1080p feed and thus should be referred to as a 1080p tv.

Sorry for any confusion. I thought Batman Begins had ICT but replied without double checking. I thought it seemed pretty logical considering what the original poster was getting for results. I know most HD DVDS do not contain the ICT flag, but wasn't sure on Batman Begins.

Every single lcd, plasma and dlp tv that I've ever seen advertised as 1080i or accepting 1080i signal has a resolution of 1366x768 or 720p resolution. If the native resolution is 1920x1080 then I would almost guarantee it accepts a 1080p feed and thus should be referred to as a 1080p tv.

I have a Mitsubishi 37" LCD with HDMI 1080i input but 1920x1080 native resolution.

I know most HD DVDS do not contain the ICT flag, but wasn't sure on Batman Begins

Actually no hd dvds contain the flag yet.

I thought that the German disc "Der Geist von Mae Nak" had ICT implemented?

Definitely not on any U.S. discs.

Even the HDNet HD DVDs look sharper to me than my cable broadcasts of HDNet. There's about a dozen of them available from HDNet's website. I have a couple of the World Reports, Get Out's and Bikini Destinations on HDNet.

Directv, Dish and Cable are offering HD-Lite to boot for HD-Net, so you aren't getting the full 1920x1080i anyway. I think it's downrezzed to something like 1440x1080.
For the record, under no circumstances is HDNet down-rezzed before broadcast. If you are seeing it less than 1920x1080 it is because you are watching it on a lower resolution display.

Some cable and satellite companies compress HD and SD channels to different degrees, and HDNet fights to keep its bandwidth up. That said, it is always 1920x1080i.

For the record, under no circumstances is HDNet down-rezzed before broadcast. If you are seeing it less than 1920x1080 it is because you are watching it on a lower resolution display.

Some cable and satellite companies compress HD and SD channels to different degrees, and HDNet fights to keep its bandwidth up. That said, it is always 1920x1080i.

What the!?

how big is your tv?? I have a 60inch sxrd, the monster cable made the picture noticeably sharper on mine and better color saturation. I doubt you'll see much difference on a 40inch or smaller. :confused:

What the!?
Directv and Dish don't show HDNet at 1920x1080, thus the term "HD-Lite" was formed. It start out at that resolution, but the providers downrezz it to save bandwidth and claim no loss in quality.

Some cable and satellite companies compress HD and SD channels to different degrees, and HDNet fights to keep its bandwidth up. That said, it is always 1920x1080i.Nope, it's 1280x1080i now on satellite and has been that way for a long time. Almost half the bandwidth is cut, too, causing a lot of macroblocking in motion scenes.

Record HDNet's test pattern and check the resolution chart, you'll see the vertical lines converge around the 7, not around the 11.

If it looks better on HDNet then either you're watching a horrible transfer on HD-DVD or there's something wrong with your system.

I don't think Batman has the best PQ, especially after seeing other movies. I read many posts saying how great it looked, but it didn't meet my expectations. I think its a great transfer, but not the type of movie that shows how well HD can be because of how the movie was made-its very dark in most scenes so that takes away from it. Notice in KK how all the vey light scenes look awesome, but darker ones are not as impressive. Try another movie like Cronicles of Riddick or Pitch Black, or one of my favorites Training Day. Planet Earth has some amazing looking stuff for some wow factor