What I don't get is how someone can complain about things that don't "make sense", in a movie that's based around the concept of giant transforming robots from space.

No no no, don't get me wrong. I liked TF as a child. I love the whole concept of giant transforming robots. Here, let me give you an example to explain what I mean.

During the final ultimate fight scene, all the Autobots blasted that one Decepticon (I think it was the helicoper one) with all their CYBER guns but to no avail. Now this one bad @$$ soldier dude commandeered a bike, sped down to where the Decepticon was (the decepticon shot at him but missed....uh huh), jumped off the bike, shot him ONCE, and blew him up!...with a HUMAN weapon.

Ok ok, it's a movie about giant transforming robots, I get that. But....REALLY??? How do you ignore that?

I don't get it. Did the Sector 7 thing bug you?

Lol...yes. Yes it really did. Say "I'm from sector 7" five times, and tell me how it sounds. Lol.

Ok ok, it's a movie about giant transforming robots, I get that. But....REALLY??? How do you ignore that?


I ignore it the same way I ignore the fact that I'm watching giant robots transform into vehicles - it's called suspension of disbelief. I do get where you're coming from (I still cringe when I remember the Mac virus upload to mothership scene from ID4), but generally the more outlandish the source material, the easier it should be to shut your brain off. Trust me, you'll enjoy these movies more if you can manage to check your brain at the door beforehand.

What I don't get is how someone can complain about things that don't "make sense", in a movie that's based around the concept of giant transforming robots from space.

Great fiction whether they be movies or novels or any other kind of fiction, still operate on the idea of "suspension of disbelief". The great fictional works make sure that once you accept of the premise of the movie, even though we know it's not real, we can then live within that world because it all makes sense given the explanations and premise they establish for the world.

If the fictional world doesn't make sense even within it's own premise, then it fails to maintain the "suspension of disbelief".

This movie had great action, a cool premise even (living robots) but the plotline/story has a lot of holes, so it falls short of greatness as fictional piece. That said, it will make a fantastic high def release, eye candy and all.

What I really dont understand is how any fan of tf could not like this???!!! a non fan I could easily see, but a fan? Ive been a fan since I was 5 and there as been A LOT of crap that has come out bearing the transformers name....in fact the only thing I have liked is G1 and beast wars/beast machines....this movie is so good its unbelieveble to me....Im so happy that it was done and thats its good and that my mouth was on the floor half of the time. Get off it already on being nit pickie....do that with movies that TRY to be realistic but its tf for goodness sakes....with how some of you are talking how do any of you enjoy anything?

I saw it again today, not for fun, but for research purposes of course. I posted earlier not seeing any grain, but did notice some after really looking for it. It seems to be something that occurs only on certain shots, not consistent through out. I've heard that sometimes grain is added to make CGI blend better with live action shots, but this is not the case here. I'd say the majority of the film looks very crisp and clear with probably the best CGI I've seen yet.

Unfortunately during my research/evaluation, I did have a good time, caught some little things I missed the first time, and would say I enjoyed it alot more...

Sector 7??? SECTOR FREAKING SEVEN??? What the hell kind of STUPID name is that?

Ok, ok, you liked it...fine. It's your opinion. But damn, you must have taken off your perverbial "thinking cap" as you walked into the theater to ignore all the MILE WIDE holes in that stupid abhoration of a movie.

Sector 7 is real. You don't even know...

I had to take off my proverbial "thinking cap" just to figure out what a "perverbial thinking cap" is.

I knew going in it would be a "turn off your brain" kind of movie, in which Bay excels at in leaps and bounds, I LOVE his flicks, so you can't use that whole "expecting too much" reason for me disliking the flick. It was just so empty. Not that his other movies are filled to the brim with emotion and intrigue, but a hell of a lot more so than Transformers. The human angle should've been a much better story, I think. No one is saying the CGI and all that is less than stellar, but precious few will sing the story's or acting's or the dialogue accolades. At least The Rock and Armageddon had pretty snappy dialogue and interesting, fun characters, not just cookie cutter cliches.

And I wasn't even that big of a fan of the Transformers as a kid! I loved the toys and liked the show. GI Joe is what I'm way more into, and I'll be much more critical of that movie. As for this, I wasn't watching it as a Transformers fan, I watched it as a movie/Michael Bay fan, and I was pretty disappointed by what I saw.

At least it all looked pretty, though. And i'm sure Chevy/Pontiac will make a good amount of cash from the movie, too. It's one long car commercial more or less.

...and i'm sure Chevy/Pontiac will make a good amount of cash from the movie, too. It's one long car commercial more or less.

I rarely pay attention to Domestic cars but the new Camero and the Solstice GT in this movie got my attention. I'm considering it as my next ride.

I saw it again for the 4th time now and pretty much everyone in the room was very pleased when Bumble Bee showed off his new look!

This movie was simply unbelievable. I haven't left the theatre that floored since the first LOTR (Fellowship), and that was due in part to not having a remote clue that it was going to be good. This was hyped out the ying-yang (by myself included) and it totally lived up to the hype. This movie ALONE will make me finally complete my sonotubes when it comes out on HDM, whichever format.

**Mild Spoiler**


As for BASS, my theatre lacked it as well. There were glimpses of where it would be and you could certainly tell where its going to be in a PROPER theater. The one good BASS part was when Ironhide (I think) blasted a shockwave while flipping. That made the theatre rumble. I looked around quickly, and everyone in my general area had their mouth open in awe. It was cinematic brilliance. This movie was unbelievable. Really.

This movie was simply unbelievable. I haven't left the theatre that floored since the first LOTR (Fellowship), and that was due in part to not having a remote clue that it was going to be good. This was hyped out the ying-yang (by myself included) and it totally lived up to the hype. This movie ALONE will make me finally complete my sonotubes when it comes out on HDM, whichever format.

**Mild Spoiler**


As for BASS, my theatre lacked it as well. There were glimpses of where it would be and you could certainly tell where its going to be in a PROPER theater. The one good BASS part was when Ironhide (I think) blasted a shockwave while flipping. That made the theatre rumble. I looked around quickly, and everyone in my general area had their mouth open in awe. It was cinematic brilliance. This movie was unbelievable. Really.

I can only say I agree with you, it was unreal. I was left speechless and very, very pleasantly surprised. This is one of those few movies where I will probably go see it again. I haven't done that since Gladiator.

It was cinematic brilliance.
Woah. Woah. Woah. Just stop it. This may have been a fun movie, but in no way, shape or form was any part of it cinematic brilliance.

I caught a matinée on Saturday and it was fine. There were some gaping plot holes and other things that took me out of the movie for a while (Megan Fox's dialogue was atrocious at times - but I couldn't tell if it was her or the writing). But overall it was an enjoyable experience.

During the final ultimate fight scene, all the Autobots blasted that one Decepticon (I think it was the helicoper one) with all their CYBER guns but to no avail. Now this one bad @$$ soldier dude commandeered a bike, sped down to where the Decepticon was (the decepticon shot at him but missed....uh huh), jumped off the bike, shot him ONCE, and blew him up!...with a HUMAN weapon.

You must have missed the part where all the raptors shot missles at it, and also the Autobots down the street firing at it. He said the armor was weak underneath and he just helped it along, he didn't do it himself.

As far as bass goes. The one part where Ironhide transforms does a flip and the fires down at the street to propel himself up was a HUGE amount of LFE. It all depends on the theater. The first one I saw it at had no bass at all, and the second had some great speakers and the movie sounded amazing.

Concerning the movie itself, anyone who considers himself a movie buff knows what to expect from a Bay film titled Transformers.

The picture, in my local theater, had massive amounts of noise in some of the darker scenes. The LFE was never lacking.

I live in a relatively small town, and as such, good cinema presentations are few and far between. We saw Transformers in one of the "regular" rooms, not the "good" theater room. Perhaps the picture would have been much improved due to a better projection system. I have, however, talked to friends that saw it on a nice system and noticed the same problems in the dark scenes. The audio was ok even for the system I heard it on, so I can only imagine how good it would sound in a properly equiped and calibrated theater.

Okay, lets take a break from worrying about the banal plot, lack of continuity in crucial spots, and the Sector-7-MIB-Independence-Day-ripoff to worry about something important.

I saw the movie in digital DLP, and I saw a lot of noise in the black suits of the agents from Sector 7 during the night scenes. It went on for some minutes like that. The noise looked a lot like film grain, but worse. I have been wondering if the digital feed was mastered from argent film, which would mean that the improved contrast of 3-chip DLP would be showing us all the film grain that tends to be in a dark scene. Did anybody else notice this?

I just noticed the poster above me saw noise too. Was yours digital?

I saw the movie in digital DLP, and I saw a lot of noise in the black suits of the agents from Sector 7 during the night scenes. It went on for some minutes like that. The noise looked a lot like film grain, but worse. I have been wondering if the digital feed was mastered from argent film, which would mean that the improved contrast of 3-chip DLP would be showing us all the film grain that tends to be in a dark scene. Did anybody else notice this?

I've seen the movie in three different theaters, one DLP, two non-DLP. The best picture quality of my three viewings was at the advanced screening which was a non-DLP projector. No grain at all. The DLP viewing was good, but showed some minor grain. A third non-DLP theater showed massive grain to the point of being almost un-watchable.

The advanced screening was probably set up as optimally as possible for the critics, and it may be possible they had a better print; who knows. The fact that I saw no grain in that first screening bodes well for a clean HD disc version.

I've seen the movie in three different theaters, one DLP, two non-DLP. The best picture quality of my three viewings was at the advanced screening which was a non-DLP projector. No grain at all. The DLP viewing was good, but showed some minor grain. A third non-DLP theater showed massive grain to the point of being almost un-watchable.

The advanced screening was probably set up as optimally as possible for the critics, and it may be possible they had a better print; who knows. The fact that I saw no grain in that first screening bodes well for a clean HD disc version.

Almost unwatchable??? My God some of you are picky as hell. I have great eyesight, as in fighter pilot good (awful hearing though), and I thoroughly enjoyed this movie. Relax and enjoy the content for Pete's sake! :D

I saw it yesterday...the first 30-40 minutes i was totally drawn in, after that it kind of went downhill for me. But for pure "a lot of stuff blowing up" factor, it was pretty good. Too many people expect every movie (including summer blockbusters) to be some arthouse/Cannes award winning masterpiece. So now that i am in the mood to see more stuff blow up, I will catch Die Hard later this week :D

Almost unwatchable??? My God some of you are picky as hell. I have great eyesight, as in fighter pilot good (awful hearing though), and I thoroughly enjoyed this movie. Relax and enjoy the content for Pete's sake! :D

I think it depends upon what, when, and where you saw it. The grain/noise was very bad at some spots, but all of those were in the Sector 7 night scenes. What I saw could be called "almost unwatchable", especially when you compare it to some of the "chroma bug" issues, which I find "almost invisible".

I watched it last night, first 20 minutes was great, after that it turned into a cheesy, corny mess of a thing with some of the worst dialogue I have heard since Armageddon. Typical Michael Bay film with great SFX but terrible everything else.

Wow gents, I consider myself to be fairly picky in my movie content, although I do have an open mind. I also generally do NOT like Michael Bay's movies as much as most people do (e.g., the stupid-azz scene in The Island where the sign falls with Lincoln Six Echo and Jordan Whatever Delta was completely, totally over the top Bravo Sierra). But Transformers was very, very fun for me and I have to say, I enjoyed it more than any movie I've seen in a long time -- at least since LOTR.

I'm just so darned sick of <Insert Movie Name Here> <Insert Sequel Number Here>. this was a refreshing original perspective on Transformers.

I just noticed the poster above me saw noise too. Was yours digital?
No. Our local cineplex uses hand-cranked projectors or mouse driven wheels in front of a flood light.

The picture in one scene, where the girl is standing against a dark background, was really, really bad. I certainly didn't look for problems, but the dark scences were so bad that you couldn't help but notice. It didn't take away from the film, but it was there. Maybe it was fur from the mouse...

I take a "brain stand" to these movies. This way I can leave it at the door, and pick it up on the way out. It helps to ensure my enjoyment of films that are.....ummmm........lacking in the way of comprehension? Having said that, I thought it was a great popcorn flick and intend on seeing it in a better theater next weekend.

This movie was great. Ignore the people pointing out plot holes. Its a friggin' action movie based on a cartoon from the 80's. How could it not be cheesy? I am a huge Transformers fan (I've got every episode on VHS, plus the DVD box set) so I was initially put off by Michael Bay's revamped designs. But I gave this movie a chance and it was a lot of fun.

Yes there are parts in the movie (maybe the whole movie) that don't make sense. But if you are going to believe that aliens come down from space and morph into cars, why not believe the rest of it. You cannot compare this film to real life, its called science-fiction for a reason. The movie is a lot like Independence Day but better.

The action is great, the special effects are insane, and they got the original Prime to do the voice. What more could you expect in this day an age?

I watched it last night, first 20 minutes was great, after that it turned into a cheesy, corny mess of a thing with some of the worst dialogue I have heard since Armageddon. Typical Michael Bay film with great SFX but terrible everything else.


I hate to say this but i do agree, I think i was expecting something darker and a bit more edgy but ended up with something more Disney than anything else , like spy kids meet the Transformers, don't get me wrong, effects were spot on and this will look quite nice on HD DVD :)

This movie was great. Ignore the people pointing out plot holes. Its a friggin' action movie based on a cartoon from the 80's. How could it not be cheesy? I am a huge Transformers fan (I've got every episode on VHS, plus the DVD box set) so I was initially put off by Michael Bay's revamped designs. But I gave this movie a chance and it was a lot of fun.

Yes there are parts in the movie (maybe the whole movie) that don't make sense. But if you are going to believe that aliens come down from space and morph into cars, why not believe the rest of it. You cannot compare this film to real life, its called science-fiction for a reason. The movie is a lot like Independence Day but better.

The action is great, the special effects are insane, and they got the original Prime to do the voice. What more could you expect in this day an age?
There is a difference between buying into an unbelievable plot and forgiving gaping plot holes.

Almost unwatchable??? My God some of you are picky as hell. I have great eyesight, as in fighter pilot good (awful hearing though), and I thoroughly enjoyed this movie. Relax and enjoy the content for Pete's sake! :D

Oh I'm totally with you- this movie was awesome hence my three-peat of viewings. But I'm not exaggerating about the grain. Even my wife, who never says a word about picture or audio quality, made a comment about how bad the picture was. We're not going back to that theater. For $10 a pop, yes I want decent quality!

No. Our local cineplex uses hand-cranked projectors or mouse driven wheels in front of a flood light...



So... was it a digital hand cranked projector, or maybe it was a squirrel-driven generator and 6220800 fleas with little micro-mirrors.

Hi there,

been on vacation for a week or so and came back to my little thread about a movie that should LOOK and SOUND excellent on HD DVD.

I must say, I did see it at a different cinema again last week and the sound was not as good. Definately go find the best quality cinema sound wise to see it in, and then you will know what I'm talking about.

I still maintain it will be absolute "reference" on HD DVD

I can't really believe some of the high ground being taken here about plots, relevance, etc...etc

If you want to see giant robots blasting the hell out of each other with a few funny gags thrown in, go see it.

If not, don't

I'll be the first to buy this on HDDVD. It "looked" great, and I think it should sound great as well. I didn't notice too much grain in my theatre (DLP).

I saw Transformers again last night, and this time I switched my brain off as I walked into the theatre. My goal was to just enjoy the movie for what it is. Unfortunately, my half-functioning brain was still not impressed. Instead of enjoying the movie, I noticed even more holes that were too hard to ignore...holes I didn't even notice the first time around. I'd highlight these holes, but for fear of being called a loon, I'll refrain.

Movies have directors, writers, etc. The fact that it's an action movie about giant robots doesn't mean the writers are free to be "bad writers". What if Optimus Prime came out wearing a dress and licking a lollipop? Will we say, "Ahh, but it's an unbelievable movie about robots...anything goes."? As a few others have noted, the dialogue was very poor, and that has nothing to do with what genre the movie is.

I saw Transformers again last night, and this time I switched my brain off as I walked into the theatre. My goal was to just enjoy the movie for what it is. Unfortunately, my half-functioning brain was still not impressed. Instead of enjoying the movie, I noticed even more holes that were too hard to ignore...holes I didn't even notice the first time around. I'd highlight these holes, but for fear of being called a loon, I'll refrain.




LoL, too smart for your own good. Whats the biggest hole?? aliens come from outter space and transform in to cars?? I think you should stick to babel and children of men.

Oh I'm totally with you- this movie was awesome hence my three-peat of viewings. But I'm not exaggerating about the grain. Even my wife, who never says a word about picture or audio quality, made a comment about how bad the picture was. We're not going back to that theater. For $10 a pop, yes I want decent quality!

Yeah, but you know how our wives are. They hear us talking about stuff and then try to pick out little things to support our kvetching. :D

You're a 3-peater? I'm jealous man...I need to catch it again.

I'll be the first to buy this on HDDVD. It "looked" great, and I think it should sound great as well. I didn't notice too much grain in my theatre (DLP).

I saw Transformers again last night, and this time I switched my brain off as I walked into the theatre. My goal was to just enjoy the movie for what it is. Unfortunately, my half-functioning brain was still not impressed. Instead of enjoying the movie, I noticed even more holes that were too hard to ignore...holes I didn't even notice the first time around. I'd highlight these holes, but for fear of being called a loon, I'll refrain.

Movies have directors, writers, etc. The fact that it's an action movie about giant robots doesn't mean the writers are free to be "bad writers". What if Optimus Prime came out wearing a dress and licking a lollipop? Will we say, "Ahh, but it's an unbelievable movie about robots...anything goes."? As a few others have noted, the dialogue was very poor, and that has nothing to do with what genre the movie is.

The dialogue was not that poor, considering the source material and the age of the lead characters. You could make an argument for that loony Sector 7 agent but that's about it. The rest of it completely conforms to my expectations of dialogue in a movie about Transformers.

LoL, too smart for your own good. Whats the biggest hole?? aliens come from outter space and transform in to cars?? I think you should stick to babel and children of men.
Is it really that hard to distinguish a plot hole from a plot device? A robot alien from outer space is not a plot hole - it's part of the overall story. The tow truck having pre-cut and pre-stripped wires ready for the stealing is a plot HOLE.

Is it really that hard to distinguish a plot hole from a plot device? A robot alien from outer space is not a plot hole - it's part of the overall story. The tow truck having pre-cut and pre-stripped wires ready for the stealing is a plot HOLE.

Oh come on, it's better than half the movies where the keys are int the visor...who keeps their keys there anyways???

I think you're being too picky, it's an action flick and a darned good one at that.

Oh come on, it's better than half the movies where the keys are int the visor...who keeps their keys there anyways???

I think you're being too picky, it's an action flick and a darned good one at that.
So because other movies have sucked it's OK for this one to suck too? :rolleyes:

I'm not being picky, I'm just not being dumb. That was just one example of the plot holes in the movie, there are many more. I wont go into everything here, as this thread seems to be filled with fanboys ready to jump on anyone who didn't like the movie. I *did* like the movie, but it was far from being great and it had numerous problems.

Plotholes notwithstanding, it wasn't that impressive. It was too long for a popcorn movie. The action was good. The cinematography and colors on the big screen were a bit weak, too. Moreover, the CGI did NOT impress me.

//Geek mode on
Alpha blending in scenes with fluids was horrible. Hair becomes wet the instant it touches a fluid--period. It does not become wet two seconds afterward. Some of those CGI scenes were reminiscent of Toy Story 1. Even the Matrix did a better job of alpha blending. There were lots of holes when the vehicles transformed as well.
//back to normal

I still enjoyed the movie. However, there's no way I would want to pay $25 (like the high def optical will be that cheap) to OWN it.

This thread should be re-named. I suggest:

Transformer's - A Hater's Guide to Critical Analysis

I may be wrong but it seems any movie that gains some kind of popularity is attacked by trend killers. On the other hand, a horribly made independent film is revered by the same people as "art". Don't get me wrong, I do enjoy artsy independent films (my favorite genre is horror), but that doesn't mean I'm ashamed to admit I like something that the mainstream has embraced. If you don't like a movie, you don't like it and I respect that. Just don't give me a reason like "plot holes" for not liking it. Give me a movie and I'll give you a plot hole. It's a subjective arguement.

This thread should be re-named. I suggest:

Transformer's - A Hater's Guide to Critical Analysis

I may be wrong but it seems any movie that gains some kind of popularity is attacked by trend killers. On the other hand, a horribly made independent film is revered by the same people as "art". Don't get me wrong, I do enjoy artsy independent films (my favorite genre is horror), but that doesn't mean I'm ashamed to admit I like something that the mainstream has embraced. If you don't like a movie, you don't like it and I respect that. Just don't give me a reason like "plot holes" for not liking it. Give me a movie and I'll give you a plot hole. It's a subjective arguement.
Nah, a more appropriate name would be:

Transformer's - A Fanboy's Guide to Ignoring Problems

Maybe if you took the time to actually read the posts you'd find out that most people criticizing the movie still LIKED THE MOVIE. No one here is being a "hater" or lashing out against the movie because it's popular. Rather, they are pointing out flaws in a film that has a number of them. That's what you do in discussions about movies - you talk about what was good and what was bad. Unless you're a fanboy - then you gush about how awesome it was and ignore anything else.

Is it really that hard to distinguish a plot hole from a plot device? A robot alien from outer space is not a plot hole - it's part of the overall story. The tow truck having pre-cut and pre-stripped wires ready for the stealing is a plot HOLE.

So you mean the wires under the dash aren't pre-stripped ready to be hot-wired?? Damn-it there goes my car stealinf carrer out the window.

No seriously your right, its a plot hole onw of many, but i personally dont think they took too much away from the film. Its a Bay film, you cannot expect alot in the way of a great plot, but you can expect over the top action and it delivered in that respect. I thought it was a good blend of humans and robot. I wish they would have developed the Decipitcons more though.

I loved it and will be buying it on high-def. I'm format neutral so the best transfer wins my money! I do think that the CGI will make this the demo disc for people who atleast liked the movie.

anyone else have a problem with his parents not hearing a giant robot crush the fountain right outside the back door? :)

but i did enjoy the movie

Nah, a more appropriate name would be:

Transformer's - A Fanboy's Guide to Ignoring Problems

Maybe if you took the time to actually read the posts you'd find out that most people criticizing the movie still LIKED THE MOVIE. No one here is being a "hater" or lashing out against the movie because it's popular. Rather, they are pointing out flaws in a film that has a number of them. That's what you do in discussions about movies - you talk about what was good and what was bad. Unless you're a fanboy - then you gush about how awesome it was and ignore anything else.


Great post, right on the money. I think that most liked it or loved it, and a few just hated it.

So because other movies have sucked it's OK for this one to suck too? :rolleyes:

I'm not being picky, I'm just not being dumb. That was just one example of the plot holes in the movie, there are many more. I wont go into everything here, as this thread seems to be filled with fanboys ready to jump on anyone who didn't like the movie. I *did* like the movie, but it was far from being great and it had numerous problems.

It's not a matter of fanboy or not. I didn't even go into this flick with high expectations. Some people would just rather spin their wheels on things that overall are so friggin unimportant. So what, she hotwired the car too fast or the wires were already cut. She's a hot P.O.A. and looked good when she was doing the hotwiring!

Are you one of those guys that picks apart Star Wars plot holes? Like, you know, explosions in outer space and sound effects in outer space (both physically impossible the way they were imped in SW).

So you mean the wires under the dash aren't pre-stripped ready to be hot-wired?? Damn-it there goes my car stealinf carrer out the window.

No seriously your right, its a plot hole onw of many, but i personally dont think they took too much away from the film. Its a Bay film, you cannot expect alot in the way of a great plot, but you can expect over the top action and it delivered in that respect. I thought it was a good blend of humans and robot. I wish they would have developed the Decipitcons more though.

I loved it and will be buying it on high-def. I'm format neutral so the best transfer wins my money! I do think that the CGI will make this the demo disc for people who atleast liked the movie.

Well that's my point, if it's a plot hole that detracts from the movie experience, I can understand that. But such holes like hotwiring are so freaking minute as to cause 99.9% of people to yell "A-N-A-L!!!"

Well that's my point, if it's a plot hole that detracts from the movie experience, I can understand that. But such holes like hotwiring are so freaking minute as to cause 99.9% of people to yell "A-N-A-L!!!"

I totally agree. Like the a few post up said, who cares if the wire were pre-stripped she looked hot doing it.

Nah, a more appropriate name would be:

Transformer's - A Fanboy's Guide to Ignoring Problems

Maybe if you took the time to actually read the posts you'd find out that most people criticizing the movie still LIKED THE MOVIE. No one here is being a "hater" or lashing out against the movie because it's popular. Rather, they are pointing out flaws in a film that has a number of them. That's what you do in discussions about movies - you talk about what was good and what was bad. Unless you're a fanboy - then you gush about how awesome it was and ignore anything else.

You're absolutely right.

How did the parents not hear the transformers talking to Sam when he was in his room? I mean, c'mon. Even if a giant robot is whispering it has to be loud...

Also, a sound loud enough to make all the car windows in a car dealership explode, would have ruptured the eardrums of everyone within a 16 foot radius and most likely caused a hemorrhage in the frontal lobe.

Sam Witwicky? More like Sam "Earbleedy". har har har

Also, a sound loud enough to make all the car windows in a car dealership explode, would have ruptured the eardrums of everyone within a 16 foot radius and most likely caused a hemorrhage in the frontal lobe.



Yeah...and if I'm a car dealer who's just lost my entire inventory of cars to an unexplained sonic phenomenon, the first thing I'll do is sell off the one GOOD car I have for a bargain price.


bad bad BAD writing.

So because other movies have sucked it's OK for this one to suck too? :rolleyes:

I'm not being picky, I'm just not being dumb. That was just one example of the plot holes in the movie, there are many more. I wont go into everything here, as this thread seems to be filled with fanboys ready to jump on anyone who didn't like the movie. I *did* like the movie, but it was far from being great and it had numerous problems.

do yourself a favor and just stop watching movies.

It's not a matter of fanboy or not. I didn't even go into this flick with high expectations. Some people would just rather spin their wheels on things that overall are so friggin unimportant. So what, she hotwired the car too fast or the wires were already cut. She's a hot P.O.A. and looked good when she was doing the hotwiring!

Are you one of those guys that picks apart Star Wars plot holes? Like, you know, explosions in outer space and sound effects in outer space (both physically impossible the way they were imped in SW).
Again, that was just one example. I used it because I remember sitting in the movie theater, looking at a friend I was with, and saying "WTF?" It was a part of the movie that took me *out* of the experience because it didn't make any sense, and those are problems.

Stuff like explosions in outer space do not take you out of the movie experience - in fact they draw the viewer in further.

Stuff like explosions in outer space do not take you out of the movie experience - in fact they draw the viewer in further.

It does?? How exactly?

You critics are right on. I hope the sequel is an art piece exploring the human condition with overtones of political allegory. In the end, we'll discover that Prime and Megatron survived an abusive childhood, and Megatron's aggression stems from a crisis of sexual identity. Written by Alan Ball. Directed by Ang Lee.

Pre-stripped wires in the tow truck? I almost walked out right then.

;)

Pre-stripped wires in the tow truck? I almost walked out right then.

;)

LOL, i'm sure you did. I mean if i actually saw a movie that didn't have pre-stripped wires on the car/truck they were hot wiring then I would totally be amazed. I can't remember seeing a movie where the actor/actress had to strip there own wires.

LOL, i'm sure you did. I mean if i actually saw a movie that didn't have pre-stripped wires on the car/truck they were hot wiring then I would totally be amazed. I can't remember seeing a movie where the actor/actress had to strip there own wires.

That's because we don't need to see it! And if the director had to show how everything is done in excruciating detail, it would kill the momentum of the movie - it's 2hrs and 24 minutes long already for God's sake! Do we really need to see a character spend 30 seconds to a minute realistically stripping wires to convey the fact that the vehicle is about to be hotwired? Of course not!

I find it patently absurd that people are still discussing this scene the most, out of all the outrageous things shown in the film.

Pre-stripped wires in the tow truck? I almost walked out right then.

I found the pre-stripped wires to be so insulting to my intelligence that I saw Transformers a second time just to confirm the "plot hole". :p

Honestly though - one of the reasons they don't show stuff like in graphic detail is because of the fear that someone would use that scene as a "how to" guide. The movie is about as perfect as it possibly could have been - all things considered, flaws and all. I'm ready to see it again for a 3rd time. ;)

Stuff like explosions in outer space do not take you out of the movie experience - in fact they draw the viewer in further.

But (I'm playing Devil's Advocate here) it's one thing to suspend disbelief for sci-fi stuff like colonizing Mars and the existence of auto-robots. It's another thing entirely to suspend the laws of physics. One could argue away the wires being pre-stripped by saying someone else tried to steal the vehicle and got caught before they finished. An explosion in outer space is not feasible at all.

LMAO at the Ang Lee/Megatron/Prime post!!!!!!!! That's all I have to say, other than the fact that I literally LOLed at my desk.

"I AM MEGATRON!!!!"


:eek:

Do we know there wouldn't be explosions in space? Where does all the oxygen in a space ship go when it blows up? Have we tried to blow up anything as full as oxygen as a space ship?

Do we know there wouldn't be explosions in space? Where does all the oxygen in a space ship go when it blows up? Have we tried to blow up anything as full as oxygen as a space ship?
There would be explosions, but they would quickly disappear as the oxygen is burned up. What you *don't* get in space is noise from the explosions, as there is no medium through which to transmit sound waves.

lol yall arguing about how the physics defy logic in a movie about giant transforming alien robots from outer space bent on world domination.....just think about that

some people think too hard about movies. so what if the wires were stripped, optimus prime and megatron had a giant robot battle in the middle of the city!!!!

lol yall arguing about how the physics defy logic in a movie about giant transforming alien robots from outer space bent on world domination.....just think about that

some people think too hard about movies. so what if the wires were stripped, optimus prime and megatron had a giant robot battle in the middle of the city!!!!

The only reason I brought up the physics argument was to demonstrate how silly it is to nitpick little plot holes in movies. Star Wars was phenomenal despite the silly explosions and noise in outer space. Transformers was great entertainment despite the stupid pre-stripped wires. People think too much. I still think Crash Davis's advice in Bull Durham is very applicable here: "Don't think, it'll only hurt the ballclub."

I guess there are just those of us that don't want to be treated like idiots while we're watching movies. Any movie that requires me to "check my brain at the door" is a movie that isn't worth my time to watch it.

I guess there are just those of us that don't want to be treated like idiots while we're watching movies. Any movie that requires me to "check my brain at the door" is a movie that isn't worth my time to watch it.

Well then forget watching just about any sci-fi or horror flick then. All of them require you to use your imagination at times and suspend different levels of disbelief.

Well then forget watching just about any sci-fi or horror flick then. All of them require you to use your imagination at times and suspend different levels of disbelief.
Wow, you really don't get it at all, do you? Using your imagination is the OPPOSITE of turning your brain off. And believing into a fictional setting is, again, the OPPOSITE of turning your brain off.

I'm done. This is just going right over your head.

Is there any movie of this genera that DOESN'T have plot holes and impassable physics? Look at ID4. That thing was riddled with plot holes and bad science, yet it was an entertaining flick.

A few theaters in my area now have DLP projection (great picture IMO). Very nice and modern theaters as well.

http://www.ravemotionpictures.com

BTW, I cannot wait to see this movie. Tuesday can't get here soon enough!
I saw it on a DLP projection. There were a couple of scenes where the picture was soft, other scenes were grainy. I noticed one scene where there appeared to be chroma noise. Judging from what I saw, however, I would give the PQ a 4 out of 5. The picture quality was very good, but not the best that I've seen.

The tow truck having pre-cut and pre-stripped wires ready for the stealing is a plot HOLE.
I wouldn't necessarily call it a 'plot hole', but it was kind of dumb. I wouldn't have done it that way. Let the chick get a chunk of concrete and smash the panel open, rip out the wires and strip them with her teeth. But pre-stripped? lol...

Moreover, the CGI did NOT impress me.
I was actually quite impressed with the CGI. It had the wow factor that Jurassic Park did for me years ago. Very seamless, imo.

Wow, you really don't get it at all, do you? Using your imagination is the OPPOSITE of turning your brain off. And believing into a fictional setting is, again, the OPPOSITE of turning your brain off.

I'm done. This is just going right over your head.

No, it's going over YOUR head. Answer some simple questions: Is it scientifically feasible to have sounds in space as occurred in Star Wars? Would explosions, due to lack of oxygen, be as fantastic as they were in SW?

The answers are indisputably no. And if you enjoyed the movies, you are being hypocritical by ignoring those plot holes while not ignoring a more minor plot hole as stripped wires. Care to elaborate on your "logic", instead of practicing Ad Hominem tactics?

Is there any movie of this genera that DOESN'T have plot holes and impassable physics? Look at ID4. That thing was riddled with plot holes and bad science, yet it was an entertaining flick.

Exactly. Some people are just both hypocritical and anal at the same time. Go figure amongst a bunch of videophiles. :D

All I want to know is how the hell did Mojo break his leg!!!! Then I will be happy

No, it's going over YOUR head. Answer some simple questions: Is it scientifically feasible to have sounds in space as occurred in Star Wars? Would explosions, due to lack of oxygen, be as fantastic as they were in SW?

The answers are indisputably no. And if you enjoyed the movies, you are being hypocritical by ignoring those plot holes while not ignoring a more minor plot hole as stripped wires. Care to elaborate on your "logic", instead of practicing Ad Hominem tactics?

Jeez, would you quit with the stripped wires thing? Critics have pointed out many many other more significant plot holes that made the movie suck. A plot hole and a scientific impossibility are two very different things.

Giant robots from space is NOT a plot hole. It's the main story. Sam Witwicky calling the owner of the glasses his "grand father" in the beginning of the movie and then calling him his "great grand father" at the end IS a plot hole.

Careless directing and editing has NOTHING to do with the fact that the movie is fiction. Why is that so hard for you to understand?

"I need an F-22 strike package at Kill box 1 - Alpha". The childish cartoony jokes? "My bad". The pointless comedic diversions? "I'm from sector 7".

Well here is the thing.

A kill box is just that. If it is moving inside a Kill box. No auth is needed to dispatch the target. Hence the name "Kill Box". Very effective at... KILLING. Kill Boxes are arranged by quadrants of certain sq measurement. Either by numerical, alpabetical or alphanumeric sequence. It is also used as means of communicating positional information from friendly's on the ground to support, be it armor or aircraft.

No, it's going over YOUR head. Answer some simple questions: Is it scientifically feasible to have sounds in space as occurred in Star Wars? Would explosions, due to lack of oxygen, be as fantastic as they were in SW?

The answers are indisputably no. And if you enjoyed the movies, you are being hypocritical by ignoring those plot holes while not ignoring a more minor plot hole as stripped wires. Care to elaborate on your "logic", instead of practicing Ad Hominem tactics?
Is it scientifically feasible? Hell no. It's also not scientifically feasible to have hyperspeed or, hell, even space battles to begin with. The physics alone dictate that close fighting would be impossible.

Here's the thing, none of us have ever been to space. And none of us have ever seen an explosion that *didn't* make a noise. If that were to happen in the movies, people would wonder why the big explosions made no noise, and they'd be removed from the movie experience. In fact, most people would assume that there was something wrong with the sound system. But, in those movies with the physics that they defined, it makes sense. You don't question it while it's happening.

Here's the other thing - THOSE AREN'T PLOT HOLES. They don't affect the plot in any way at all. All they do is enhance the *experience* of the movie. A plot hole is when a grunt in the US Army turns out to be an expert in weapon systems, strategy, and air assaults. That does not make sense within the context of the movie. Having 3 story tall robots making a ton of noise and destroying a backyard, yet the parent's never notice until the "earthquake" does not make sense within the context of the movie. ID4 was brought up - having a Mac virus (ha! like those exist!) bring down an entire alien network, let alone INTERFACE with the network, is not believable within the context of the movie.

Are you beginning to understand at all? If not I can mail you a copy of my textbook from Film 101. It may help.

I wouldn't necessarily call it a 'plot hole', but it was kind of dumb. I wouldn't have done it that way. Let the chick get a chunk of concrete and smash the panel open, rip out the wires and strip them with her teeth. But pre-stripped? lol...
Or hell, do it as someone else in this thread already mentioned - show her ripping open part of the steering column, cut back to the fighting, and then cut back to her driving the thing. It's not that hard to do.

Jeez, would you quit with the stripped wires thing? Critics have pointed out many many other more significant plot holes that made the movie suck. A plot hole and a scientific impossibility are two very different things.

Giant robots from space is NOT a plot hole. It's the main story. Sam Witwicky calling the owner of the glasses his "grand father" in the beginning of the movie and then calling him his "great grand father" at the end IS a plot hole.

Careless directing and editing has NOTHING to do with the fact that the movie is fiction. Why is that so hard for you to understand?

What in God's name are you posting this to me for? Where did I ever argue that the pre-stripped wires bothered me, or robots from space? Either you mis-posted or you failed to read what I have previously posted.

As for the comment about Sam Witwicky, THAT is a plot hole and one that should have definitely been picked up on in editing. All movies have goofs though, just go to IMDB and you can see that.

Is it scientifically feasible? Hell no. It's also not scientifically feasible to have hyperspeed or, hell, even space battles to begin with. The physics alone dictate that close fighting would be impossible.

Here's the thing, none of us have ever been to space. And none of us have ever seen an explosion that *didn't* make a noise. If that were to happen in the movies, people would wonder why the big explosions made no noise, and they'd be removed from the movie experience. In fact, most people would assume that there was something wrong with the sound system. But, in those movies with the physics that they defined, it makes sense. You don't question it while it's happening.

Here's the other thing - THOSE AREN'T PLOT HOLES. They don't affect the plot in any way at all. All they do is enhance the *experience* of the movie. A plot hole is when a grunt in the US Army turns out to be an expert in weapon systems, strategy, and air assaults. That does not make sense within the context of the movie. Having 3 story tall robots making a ton of noise and destroying a backyard, yet the parent's never notice until the "earthquake" does not make sense within the context of the movie. ID4 was brought up - having a Mac virus (ha! like those exist!) bring down an entire alien network, let alone INTERFACE with the network, is not believable within the context of the movie.

Are you beginning to understand at all? If not I can mail you a copy of my textbook from Film 101. It may help.

I see. So on the one hand, you previously mentioned you are "not being dumb" by not accepting the pre-stripped wires "plot hole". That is, you aren't willing to accept the possibility that maybe someone tried to rip it off before she jumped in. Yeah, it requires stretching your imagination and applying a low probability, but it IS possible.

Then OTOH, you are implying that you and everyone else ARE dumb enough to not understand very basic laws of physics. As for the "physics" defined in SW, there is physics and there is complete, utter fiction and impossibilities. It's one thing to present a theory such as hyperdrive or aliens from another planet (all part of sci-fi, all fun ideas), it's another thing entirely to be completely wring about the LAWS of physics. Laws = not compromisible.

Personally, IMO you are spending way too much time on nitpicking. None of the above scenarios bother me in the least when it comes to flicks. I mean look at the crap James Bond used to do that's humanly impossible. Are you going to not watch James Bond flicks due to the blatantly obvious plot holes there?

Or hell, do it as someone else in this thread already mentioned - show her ripping open part of the steering column, cut back to the fighting, and then cut back to her driving the thing. It's not that hard to do.
That would have worked too.

I see. So on the one hand, you previously mentioned you are "not being dumb" by not accepting the pre-stripped wires "plot hole". That is, you aren't willing to accept the possibility that maybe someone tried to rip it off before she jumped in. Yeah, it requires stretching your imagination and applying a low probability, but it IS possible.
Stretching your imagination? If that were actually the case it'd be some of the worst storytelling EVER.


Then OTOH, you are implying that you and everyone else ARE dumb enough to not understand very basic laws of physics. As for the "physics" defined in SW, there is physics and there is complete, utter fiction and impossibilities. It's one thing to present a theory such as hyperdrive or aliens from another planet (all part of sci-fi, all fun ideas), it's another thing entirely to be completely wring about the LAWS of physics. Laws = not compromisible.
Those laws can be compromised if you're creating your own universe. Brace yourself for this one - STAR WARS IS FAKE. The physics it employs is FAKE. Of course the physics is impossible in OUR WORLD, but it's not in the Star Wars universe. But good luck getting to Coruscant to prove otherwise.

Personally, IMO you are spending way too much time on nitpicking. None of the above scenarios bother me in the least when it comes to flicks. I mean look at the crap James Bond used to do that's humanly impossible. Are you going to not watch James Bond flicks due to the blatantly obvious plot holes there?
This goes back to my "turning the brain off" idea. You obviously are very good at doing that. I am not. I wonder why Bumblebee was driving underneath that bridge to catch the two kids. What the heck was he doing down there? There was no reason for it other than convenience of saving the lead characters...

Well here is the thing.

A kill box is just that. If it is moving inside a Kill box. No auth is needed to dispatch the target. Hence the name "Kill Box". Very effective at... KILLING. Kill Boxes are arranged by quadrants of certain sq measurement. Either by numerical, alpabetical or alphanumeric sequence. It is also used as means of communicating positional information from friendly's on the ground to support, be it armor or aircraft.

All well and good...except when the "...kill box alpha" call was going out, the soldiers were (maybe) 20 yards away from the desert spider thing that was chasing them. No, I'm not in the military, but I'm willing to guess the Kill boxes you speak of are bigger than a 60ft x 60ft square...especially if you have friendly's in the very next "box" over.


God, I sound like a geek.

lol guys remember giant transforming robots from out of space....THAT CAN SPEAK PERFECT ENGLISH!!!!! yes to watch the movie u had to "check my brain" at the door.

im glad im not a videophile, itd make watching movies too cumbersome

im surprised there wasnt a forum wide boycot of the 300 movie because it didnt realisticly show the battle between sparta and king xerxes

lol guys remember giant transforming robots from out of space....THAT CAN SPEAK PERFECT ENGLISH!!!!! yes to watch the movie u had to "check my brain" at the door.

im glad im not a videophile, itd make watching movies too cumbersome
Didn't you know? They learned perfect English on the World Wide Web! :D

Apparently they never visited AVS Forum. :p

Didn't you know? They learned perfect English on the World Wide Web! :D

Apparently they never visited AVS Forum. :p

lol i actually read over most the thread and saw people actually complaining that the chick was in there. now if you're gay or a woman i can understand that (demeaning to woman blah blah blah). but when is it ever wrong to have a pretty girl in a movie? id prefer her than rosie odonnel anyday!

id prefer her than rosie odonnel anyday!
For sure!!!

Stretching your imagination? If that were actually the case it'd be some of the worst storytelling EVER.


Those laws can be compromised if you're creating your own universe. Brace yourself for this one - STAR WARS IS FAKE. The physics it employs is FAKE. Of course the physics is impossible in OUR WORLD, but it's not in the Star Wars universe. But good luck getting to Coruscant to prove otherwise.


This goes back to my "turning the brain off" idea. You obviously are very good at doing that. I am not. I wonder why Bumblebee was driving underneath that bridge to catch the two kids. What the heck was he doing down there? There was no reason for it other than convenience of saving the lead characters...

I noticed you didn't address the James Bond comment hehe. Are you going to propose that he isn't a fictitious character placed in the REAL world? Dude give it up, admit it you are picky. There's nothing wrong with being picky as long as you aren't sitting next to me in a theater. Then we'd have problems. :D

lol i actually read over most the thread and saw people actually complaining that the chick was in there. now if you're gay or a woman i can understand that (demeaning to woman blah blah blah). but when is it ever wrong to have a pretty girl in a movie? id prefer her than rosie odonnel anyday!

LMAO and probably some of the dorkiest individuals complaining about her is my guess. :D

lol guys remember giant transforming robots from out of space....THAT CAN SPEAK PERFECT ENGLISH!!!!! yes to watch the movie u had to "check my brain" at the door.

im glad im not a videophile, itd make watching movies too cumbersome

im surprised there wasnt a forum wide boycot of the 300 movie because it didnt realisticly show the battle between sparta and king xerxes

I am a videophile and I don't understand why some of these folks even bother to watch movies LOL. They ooze negativity and anal-retentiveness all over the place, much like film critics. Then again, when's the last time anyone paid much heed to a film critic? :D

I noticed you didn't address the James Bond comment hehe. Are you going to propose that he isn't a fictitious character placed in the REAL world? Dude give it up, admit it you are picky. There's nothing wrong with being picky as long as you aren't sitting next to me in a theater. Then we'd have problems. :D
I didn't address it because I've only seen one James Bond movie, and there wasn't anything in it that stuck out in my mind as being impossible.

I don't think I'm picky at all. I'd just like to know why they deliberately moved the final fight into a city instead of a place devoid of people. Or why Megatron planned to transform Earth technology into his army when he landed on the planet in the 1800s, before modern technology was even around (and then we're told Megatron himself is the source of most modern technology). Stuff like that isn't being picky, it's wanting the story to simply make sense.

I didn't address it because I've only seen one James Bond movie, and there wasn't anything in it that stuck out in my mind as being impossible.

I don't think I'm picky at all. I'd just like to know why they deliberately moved the final fight into a city instead of a place devoid of people. Or why Megatron planned to transform Earth technology into his army when he landed on the planet in the 1800s, before modern technology was even around (and then we're told Megatron himself is the source of most modern technology). Stuff like that isn't being picky, it's wanting the story to simply make sense.

Dude, watch James Bond flicks sometime. Not only are they great, but you will find all manner of humanly impossible stunts performed by him. Check out the beginning of Golden Eye sometime. Check out most of the Roger Moore flicks. They defy logic and human ability all the time, yet they are FUN.

All movies have gaffes and plot holes. I remember one in Remo Williams where the glass breaks before he actually jumps through it. Forget the way he BROKE the glass, that's yet another plot hole. All movies have them, that's why they're called MOVIES. I'm not paying $9 to go see a LIFE.

Im not trying to start another argument, and for the record I loved the movie. but can you guys give some examples of the plot holes. I was so caught up in the movie i just missed a bunch of them. I know the pre-stripped wires was one, but what are some of the other ones?

Im not trying to start another argument, and for the record I loved the movie. but can you guys give some examples of the plot holes. I was so caught up in the movie i just missed a bunch of them. I know the pre-stripped wires was one, but what are some of the other ones?
I've given a few already. There are more at IMDB under "goofs" for the film. Most of those are continuity errors that all movies have (like what Traelin refers too), but they list a few plot holes as well (one of which - the all spark/hoover dam plot hole - is not actually valid).

Dude, watch James Bond flicks sometime. Not only are they great, but you will find all manner of humanly impossible stunts performed by him. Check out the beginning of Golden Eye sometime. Check out most of the Roger Moore flicks. They defy logic and human ability all the time, yet they are FUN.

All movies have gaffes and plot holes. I remember one in Remo Williams where the glass breaks before he actually jumps through it. Forget the way he BROKE the glass, that's yet another plot hole. All movies have them, that's why they're called MOVIES. I'm not paying $9 to go see a LIFE.
Actually that's not a plot hole. Continuity errors != plot holes.

All movies do not have plot holes. Movies written by competent writers do not. Michael Bay movies do.

lol guys remember giant transforming robots from out of space....THAT CAN SPEAK PERFECT ENGLISH!!!!! yes to watch the movie u had to "check my brain" at the door.

im glad im not a videophile, itd make watching movies too cumbersome

im surprised there wasnt a forum wide boycot of the 300 movie because it didnt realisticly show the battle between sparta and king xerxes

Well apparently you checked ALL of your brain at the door, because you missed Optimus Prime's clear explanation that they learned English and local slang from the World Wide Web. They're super-evolved sentient ROBOTS, so learning how to speak a language by downloading data off the 'Net seems like one of the more plausible things in the movie to me.

I loved the movie. I've seen it twice with different groups of friends, some of whom (like me) were more or less too young to remember the originals and some who grew up with the toys and old cartoon, and we all loved it. And the movie is NOT "dumb" by any means. It's just people who have incurable Michael Bay-itis and automatically think any action movie can't be smart and have its own internal logic who think such ridiculous things.

And yet they go around claiming how much "smarter" Spider-Man 3 is, like a guy getting bitten by a genetically-altered spider and somehow getting superpowers from that is more intelligent, or how about a guy getting caught in a particle accelerator filled with sand and turning into a creature with sand-morphing power? These kinds of films are NOT meant to be picked apart with analysis you could apply to our world. Doing that is "dumb."

Well apparently you checked ALL of your brain at the door, because you missed Optimus Prime's clear explanation that they learned English and local slang from the World Wide Web. They're super-evolved sentient ROBOTS, so learning how to speak a language by downloading data off the 'Net seems like one of the more plausible things in the movie to me.

I loved the movie. I've seen it twice with different groups of friends, some of whom (like me) were more or less too young to remember the originals and some who grew up with the toys and old cartoon, and we all loved it. And the movie is NOT "dumb" by any means. It's just people who have incurable Michael Bay-itis and automatically think any action movie can't be smart and have its own internal logic who think such ridiculous things.

And yet they go around claiming how much "smarter" Spider-Man 3 is, like a guy getting bitten by a genetically-altered spider and somehow getting superpowers from that is more intelligent, or how about a guy getting caught in a particle accelerator filled with sand and turning into a creature with sand-morphing power? These kinds of films are NOT meant to be picked apart with analysis you could apply to our world. Doing that is "dumb."
Hey now, I don't know anyone that would claim Spider-Man 3 was smart. ;)

Hey now, I don't know anyone that would claim Spider-Man 3 was smart. ;)

You'd be surprised. lol

The butler scene alone was insultingly stupid.

Actually that's not a plot hole. Continuity errors != plot holes.

All movies do not have plot holes. Movies written by competent writers do not. Michael Bay movies do.

So you don't think Remo using the bad guy's tooth to scratch a bulletproof pane, then JUMP through that pane to avoid death, is a plot hole?

EDIT: And BTW I generally agree with your argument about Bay films. I had serious heartburn with some scenes in The Island. Basically I have a rule of thumb...I am very open-minded about an action/sci-fi movie unless it involves human feats that are completely impossible to pull off. I do, however, suspend belief even under these premises if it's a superhero or James Bond.

So I am very liberal with action flicks.

Well apparently you checked ALL of your brain at the door, because you missed Optimus Prime's clear explanation that they learned English and local slang from the World Wide Web. They're super-evolved sentient ROBOTS, so learning how to speak a language by downloading data off the 'Net seems like one of the more plausible things in the movie to me.

I loved the movie. I've seen it twice with different groups of friends, some of whom (like me) were more or less too young to remember the originals and some who grew up with the toys and old cartoon, and we all loved it. And the movie is NOT "dumb" by any means. It's just people who have incurable Michael Bay-itis and automatically think any action movie can't be smart and have its own internal logic who think such ridiculous things.

And yet they go around claiming how much "smarter" Spider-Man 3 is, like a guy getting bitten by a genetically-altered spider and somehow getting superpowers from that is more intelligent, or how about a guy getting caught in a particle accelerator filled with sand and turning into a creature with sand-morphing power? These kinds of films are NOT meant to be picked apart with analysis you could apply to our world. Doing that is "dumb."

YES!!!

So you don't think Remo using the bad guy's tooth to scratch a bulletproof pane, then JUMP through that pane to avoid death, is a plot hole?
What's a Remo? Without knowing the context of a movie, it sounds like a continuity error (switching bulletproof glass for regular glass) or a factual error (that bulletproof glass could be broken with a tooth), NOT a plot hole.

What's a Remo? Without knowing the context of a movie, it sounds like a continuity error (switching bulletproof glass for regular glass) or a factual error (that bulletproof glass could be broken with a tooth), NOT a plot hole.

Remo Williams was an action flick released circa 1986 (Statue of Liberty was being renovated in the movie, so that sounds about the right year). Remo Williams was a cop that was forced by a secret govt. agency to train in the martial arts and become like an ultra-special agent. In one of the scenes he was trapped in a room filling up with gas. He used one of the baddies' teeth to scratch a circle on the bulletproof glass, then jump through the circle. It was so effing bogus and unbelievable...a plot hole because it involved the plot of him escaping sheer death.

A good flick IMO.

EDIT: Oh, and the bullet dodging, too. LOL

Remo Williams was an action flick released circa 1986 (Statue of Liberty was being renovated in the movie, so that sounds about the right year). Remo Williams was a cop that was forced by a secret govt. agency to train in the martial arts and become like an ultra-special agent. In one of the scenes he was trapped in a room filling up with gas. He used one of the baddies' teeth to scratch a circle on the bulletproof glass, then jump through the circle. It was so effing bogus and unbelievable...a plot hole because it involved the plot of him escaping sheer death.

A good flick IMO.

EDIT: Oh, and the bullet dodging, too. LOL
Sounds more like a factual error to me, but I guess it could be a plot hole. You may want to check out the actual definition of a plot hole:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plot_hole

Remo Williams was an action flick released circa 1986 (Statue of Liberty was being renovated in the movie, so that sounds about the right year). Remo Williams was a cop that was forced by a secret govt. agency to train in the martial arts and become like an ultra-special agent. In one of the scenes he was trapped in a room filling up with gas. He used one of the baddies' teeth to scratch a circle on the bulletproof glass, then jump through the circle. It was so effing bogus and unbelievable...a plot hole because it involved the plot of him escaping sheer death.

A good flick IMO.

EDIT: Oh, and the bullet dodging, too. LOL

Don't forget walking on water...

Sounds more like that's just a ridiculous movie than a movie filled with plot holes...

thejokell is killing me! You've seen only one Bond film? You have no idea who Remo Williams is? I bet you've never seen The Thing or Big Trouble in Little China, have you? Man oh man jokell, you just don't appreciate FUN movies. You need to broaden your horizons friend.

Transformers was fun, exciting, funny and so many other great things. I will defend it forever. Show me a more fun movie at the theater (include the theater experience) in YEARS. Good luck! I am truly and utterly convinced that those who hate Transfromers or focus entirely on the cheesy dialogue and plot holes just don't appreciate the sumemr movie experience.

If you want to bag a bad movie, see Ghost Rider. Now that's a piece of utter crapola. But movies like The Matrix, Star Wars and Transformers define and fulfill the movie going experience.

Sounds more like that's just a ridiculous movie than a movie filled with plot holes...

Actually I thought it was a great flick.

thejokell is killing me! You've seen only one Bond film? You have no idea who Remo Williams is? I bet you've never seen The Thing or Big Trouble in Little China, have you? Man oh man jokell, you just don't appreciate FUN movies. You need to broaden your horizons friend.

Transformers was fun, exciting, funny and so many other great things. I will defend it forever. Show me a more fun movie at the theater (include the theater experience) in YEARS. Good luck! I am truly and utterly convinced that those who hate Transfromers or focus entirely on the cheesy dialogue and plot holes just don't appreciate the sumemr movie experience.

If you want to bag a bad movie, see Ghost Rider. Now that's a piece of utter crapola. But movies like The Matrix, Star Wars and Transformers define and fulfill the movie going experience.

Can I get an Amen brother! :D

Can I get an Amen brother! :D

Amen! Or how about a ""ARE YOU USERNAME LADIESMAN 217?!?"
:)

has ANY movie ever had ANY scenes with realistic stuff going on with computers? practically every instance in movies or TV, the stuff they show pop on monitors is beyond ridiculous, even movies that are generally rather realistic, even with fine little details, usually have the most amazing nonsense whenever they show stuff on computer screens.

anyway might as well turn this into my general (rambling, incoherent, stream of con) comments:

not quite sure what to make of it. if i was 11 i would've prob been cool with most of it (although some was just too dumb even for 11). however, being over twice that.... hard to say. in some ways did make me feel like back in junior high (and not really in a bad way). some of it was pretty entertaining in a somewhat mindless way (which is fine, heck, i thought twister was cool, just because an amusement park tornado ride is something interesting to experience). megan fox. :D . but eventually it did get a bit over-stuffed with what was rather too dumb even for one's inner 12 year old. it had too much of the stupid 80's cartoon, trash tv, professional wresting broadcast sort of mentality to it at times, of the sort that i thought was really moronic even when i was 5. there were times it was so bad for a few seconds that i could barely stop from breaking out in uncontrollable laughterr. but other times it was pretty entertaining and sometimes even the dumbest jokes sort of worked, and it was not so bad at all in general. i don't know. didn't love it, didn't hate (except for stretches of each). just not sure quite what to say. in some weird way i feel both like i'm one of the people who loved it and one the people who thought it was beyond bad, at the same time, if that makes any sense. for some reason when the aussie chick came on i felt like screaming out "the dingo ate my bayybayy", but i supressed the urge, haha. yeah i don't know what to make of it. overall, it was both pretty good and sucked, haha.


If I see another movie where someone goes to hotwire a car and pull out pre-stripped wires all set and ready to be touched together, I'm going to flip out! This movie could have been so much better with about 5 minutes of my opinions. Why won't anyone hire me to fix these types of things?

By the way, PCs don't usually interface with 1950s radios, nor do they come pre equipped with text-to-morse translators. Also, I thought that it was really lucky that the Jet fighters and Black Hawk helicoptors had short wave radio receivers on board so that they could hear the Radio-Shack dinosaur radios the down-town squad was using.

No cell phones in a SCIF people!

Alien alpha-numeric characters cannot be extracted from radio signals.

Too bad the "All Spark" didn't fix BumbleBees legs like it rebuilt Frenzy's entire body. If it had, we wouldn't have needed to hotwire the tow truck and we'd never had seen the pre-stripped wires! It all comes full circle.

thejokell is killing me! You've seen only one Bond film? You have no idea who Remo Williams is? I bet you've never seen The Thing or Big Trouble in Little China, have you? Man oh man jokell, you just don't appreciate FUN movies. You need to broaden your horizons friend.

Transformers was fun, exciting, funny and so many other great things. I will defend it forever. Show me a more fun movie at the theater (include the theater experience) in YEARS. Good luck! I am truly and utterly convinced that those who hate Transfromers or focus entirely on the cheesy dialogue and plot holes just don't appreciate the sumemr movie experience.

If you want to bag a bad movie, see Ghost Rider. Now that's a piece of utter crapola. But movies like The Matrix, Star Wars and Transformers define and fulfill the movie going experience.
Considering the ratings for Remo Williams on IMDB (5.8/10) and Rotten Tomatoes (55%), I wont be seeing it anytime soon. And you can bet about the movies I've seen all you want, but you wouldn't have any idea what you're talking about.

Transformers was fun, yes, but I had a much better movie experience with Ratatouille. I have better movie experiences monthly than I had at Transformers. Transformers is more of a "reference" movie - good visuals and good audio, but not much substance. I liked it, but I wont be seeing it again.

And in no way does Transformers measure up to the Matrix (1st movie only) or the Star Wars Trilogy. Now you're just talking crazy.

jokell if you go by what movie critics and websites say about movies, then you are surely missing some good flicks. IMDB has some awfully high ratings for some crappy movies and average ratings for decent movies.

Movies are about having fun...that's why they're called entertainment. Now if you aren't able to appreciate that they're both fictitious and artistic, that's fine. But raining on everyone else's parade with such negativity about our movie preferences is just being a killjoy.

has ANY movie ever had ANY scenes with realistic stuff going on with computers? practically every instance in movies or TV, the stuff they show pop on monitors is beyond ridiculous, even movies that are generally rather realistic, even with fine little details, usually have the most amazing nonsense whenever they show stuff on computer screens.

anyway might as well turn this into my general (rambling, incoherent, stream of con) comments:

not quite sure what to make of it. if i was 11 i would've prob been cool with most of it (although some was just too dumb even for 11). however, being over twice that.... hard to say. in some ways did make me feel like back in junior high (and not really in a bad way). some of it was pretty entertaining in a somewhat mindless way (which is fine, heck, i thought twister was cool, just because an amusement park tornado ride is something interesting to experience). megan fox. :D . but eventually it did get a bit over-stuffed with what was rather too dumb even for one's inner 12 year old. it had too much of the stupid 80's cartoon, trash tv, professional wresting broadcast sort of mentality to it at times, of the sort that i thought was really moronic even when i was 5. there were times it was so bad for a few seconds that i could barely stop from breaking out in uncontrollable laughterr. but other times it was pretty entertaining and sometimes even the dumbest jokes sort of worked, and it was not so bad at all in general. i don't know. didn't love it, didn't hate (except for stretches of each). just not sure quite what to say. in some weird way i feel both like i'm one of the people who loved it and one the people who thought it was beyond bad, at the same time, if that makes any sense. for some reason when the aussie chick came on i felt like screaming out "the dingo ate my bayybayy", but i supressed the urge, haha. yeah i don't know what to make of it. overall, it was both pretty good and sucked, haha.

You are really using negative hyperbole WRT Transformers...from your post it seems like you were expecting more than your typical summer blockbuster. I highly doubt you remember much of anything from when you were 5 let alone 11, so throwing in those kinds of broad statements really detracts from your overall point.

jokell if you go by what movie critics and websites say about movies, then you are surely missing some good flicks. IMDB has some awfully high ratings for some crappy movies and average ratings for decent movies.

Movies are about having fun...that's why they're called entertainment. Now if you aren't able to appreciate that they're both fictitious and artistic, that's fine. But raining on everyone else's parade with such negativity about our movie preferences is just being a killjoy.
Who's ranting with negativity? I'll say for the last time, I ENJOYED TRANSFORMERS. Good freaking God. Why can't you understand the fact that you can enjoy the movie but still recognize that there are problems with it?

:) See, now we're one big happy family.

Back to the topic at hand. I really hope this comes out on HD-DVD. I wonder when we'll hear any news on either format getting the disk and when.

i just came back from this flick and was very impressed. Its been awhile since i saw a sold out movie at the theater which for me sometimes helps it become more enjoyable with the atmosphere.

As for the film I'm 25 and grew up with the transformers so i was one of those people who kinda shook my head at the film once reading and seeing what was being done with the film. but i must say they did a great job and i left the theater very happy. Its just pure enjoyment summer movie fun. The movie did its job for me in taking me away for 2 hours to just have a fun movie experience. Unlike the past few summer flicks this film didnt disappoint me at all.

I know Michael Bay gets blasted but i really have to wonder why since i really dont think hes made a movie i couldnt sit through and enjoy. I might be one of the few who actually liked the Island. anyway, i for one cannot wait for the hd dvd or blu ray whatever format it is.

p.s

can someone explain to me how Evan Almighty costs 175 million and Transformers got made for 150 million. I dont understand that at all.

I saw it today and enjoyed myself. However, i felt the transforming was a little too complicated.

I saw it in the third row, and thought I would throw up from the enormous amount of motion on the screen when the autobots transformed. I remember thinking, "How's this happening?" when she clicked the stripped wires together in the pickup truck, but I didn't fixate on it, since its only an action movie. Obviously, in a pickup truck she could have pulled out a pair of wirestrippers from a tool box to strip the wires. That's too much tedium in an action packed thriller, so the director cut that detail. Actually, the best fix for starting the pickup would be to have the driver abandon it with the engine running. Then there's no lapse in the non-stop running battle scene.

Please tell everyone who hasn't seen it more. We really want to know everything before we see it.

On the other hand based on your description maybe it will be a good idea to watch it at home with slowmotion activated.

...Especially hearing Optimus Primes voice which is the same guy (Peter Cullen) that did prime for the cartoon in the 80's. Too cool.


Yes it was nice to hear that Prime had the same voice. Even better was the bone MB threw to old School Transformers fans when Prime said “One will stand, one will fall”, which was one of his last lines in the Transformers Animated movie.

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I know Michael Bay gets blasted but i really have to wonder why since i really dont think hes made a movie i couldnt sit through and enjoy.

If you've seen Pearl Harbor then you should understand why Bay gets blasted. Unless you like movies that can't decide if they are a historical account, an action flick or a chick flick. Braveheart is the only film that succeeded at doing that and even it was historically inaccurate, but it got the action and romance parts right.


can someone explain to me how Evan Almighty costs 175 million and Transformers got made for 150 million. I dont understand that at all.

I can't

Injecting a little AVScience back into the discussion (although still wildly OT for this forum):

PARIS, France and BURBANK, Calif.-Jul 10, 2007
Thomson Delivers Transformers: First Motion Picture Sent Via Satellite Simultaneously to Domestic and International Theatres

Technicolor Digital Cinema Transmits DreamWorks/Paramount Feature Via Industry’s First Widely Deployed Integrator Neutral Digital Cinema Distribution Network

Reinforcing its global leadership in digital cinema, Thomson (Euronext Paris: 18453; NYSE: TMS), through its Technicolor Digital Cinema business, today announced it is the first to deliver a motion picture via satellite day-and-date to international and domestic theatre locations utilizing an integrator neutral digital cinema distribution network.

This achievement marks the first time an integrator such as Technicolor has transmitted a feature to theatres equipped with its own digital projection systems as well as to theatres with systems managed by other integrators. “It’s an important step forward in establishing the vendor-agnostic distribution model that the studios have been asking for,” said Curt Behlmer, executive vice president of Technicolor Theatrical Services and COO of Technicolor Digital Cinema.

Technicolor now provides a full-service digital distribution network that offers both electronic and physical delivery of digital content to theatres worldwide. “We are no longer limited to satellite deliveries that only reach theatres with Technicolor-owned digital projection systems,” states Joe Hart, VP digital distribution services for Technicolor. “Our integrator neutral distribution network, combined with our world class physical distribution operation, enables us to deliver any content to any system, anytime, anywhere.” Technicolor’s satellite network is currently capable of delivering digital content to over 200 theatre locations in North America and Europe, and will expand in parallel with increasing digital cinema projection system installations.

Transformers also marks the debut of Technicolor Digital Cinema’s 24/7 toll-free worldwide exhibitor customer support call center, offering both translation and interpretation services, managed from Technicolor’s distribution facility in Wilmington, Ohio.

Released domestically on July 3, Transformers is a DreamWorks/Paramount co-production in association with Hasbro.

Technicolor Digital Cinema offers distribution services for all digitally equipped theatres worldwide. As part of its digital cinema equipment beta test in North America and Europe, Technicolor has installed digital projection systems for several prominent exhibitors including ArcLight Hollywood’s Cinerama Dome, Mann Theatres, National Amusements, Wehrenberg Theatres, Zyacorp’s Cinemagic Stadium Theatres, and Kinepolis Group in Belgium.

Technicolor intends on a broader rollout of complete digital projection systems in up to 5,000 screens over the next three to four years. The company intends to equip at least 15,000 screens in the United States and Canada, through the initial rollout and additional phases, over the next 10 years.
http://www.dcinematoday.com/dc/pr.aspx?newsID=840

Sadly, I saw this movie this afternoon and hated it. I honestly had alot of expectation going in, and it just crushed them all. The movie is a HORRIBLE action flick imo. They TRY way too hard to throw humor into the movie. I found it funny and clever at times, but the humor gets dumb (autobots hiding from the kid's parents) and is sickening for an "action" movie. The camera shots I found INCREDIBLY distracting during some of the action scenes. They're too zoomed in, and the camera is bouncing around. I honestly had a headache towards the end of the movie. The blatant advertising where the camera is zoomed in on corporate logos/etc. gets very old as well. I honestly thought this was one of those movies that they couldn't screw up but I found it to be one of the worst action movies I've seen in a long time. :mad:

I didn't recall alot of plot holes in the movie, it was just poorly done in general. They have the "token" black guy in the movie, and have way too much garbage to make this an action movie (the kid talks 100 miles/second at times w/ pointless banter). I was thinking the movie would be a Terminator 2ish type of movie, but was sadly disappointed. Just wanted to give my 2 cents, because I don't even think it'd be worth purchasing on blu-ray/hd-dvd because the storyline and movie was that bad. I would honestly rate this movie behind Independence Day, it has alot of the same type of dumb action/comedy, but is even worse.

can someone explain to me how Evan Almighty costs 175 million and Transformers got made for 150 million. I dont understand that at all.

This happened because Michael Bay (Who executive produced as well as directed the movie) is a tyrant on the set and doesn't let companies like ILM get away with charging a hojillion dollars for every effects shot. Not only that, but he makes sure they do great work too - the CG in Transformers is some of the best I've ever seen. Compare that to some of the CG work in Evan Almighty (Like the flood scene shown in the commercials - yikes), and it's apparent that Tom Shadyac and crew just rubber stamped every invoice they got from the effects companies.

I think people have to go into this movie remembering that it was a kids cartoon in the eighties. So, it's not going to be as dark or menacing as the Terminator series.
So, scenes like when the autobots are hiding from the parents are fun and acceptable. I too found some of the action scenes too manic and hard to enjoy. But, I'll tell you, that scene on the highway with the rollerblading decepticon and ensuing fight was beautiful in my opinion. It was framed well and really blended with the overall scenery extremely well.

My only complaints are some of the language/subject matter, and the aforementioned plot lapses and the continuity issues.

For the language issue, I thought some of the language and subject matter was a bit too much for a PG-13 movie to which kids will go. I'm mostly referring to the scene where the parents come up to the room and ask him why his door was locked. I was a bit embarrassed sitting there with my 12 year old son and his friend. But, that's the general problem with the PG-13 rating system. (There really needs to be an additional R-15 or PG-15 rating tier, imo.)

And, before folks get all upset about the comment about plot lapses, it's really a matter of accepting certain plot developments as necessary to move the story forward or within the general premise of the movie vs. stupid plot decisions that appear to be more out of laziness on the writers' part than anything else.


There really was no need to move the cube to a populated city. And why not let one of the autobots run away with the cube instead of entrusting it to a kid? And if the cryo system is failing, why not have Bumblebee get medieval on Megatron's ass before anything bad can happen? This could have turned into a big ole ole fight at the Hoover Dam which would have been much more fun - heck the fight could have even spilled into Las Vegas.

But, overall, I give it 3.5, maybe 4, stars out of 5 and if the PQ reports look good when it comes out on HD-DVD, I'll buy the HD-DVD.


Mitch

I downloaded the hi def trailer from the XBOX Live Marketplace and it just blew me away. This will probably be one of the top HD-DVD's when it comes out.

I finally got some time to see TRANSFORMERS this afternoon - definitely one of the best movies I've seen since Batman Begins. The story, cast, acting, effects, sound were all top notch. As soon as Amazon allows preorders on this one I'll be ordering it!

They TRY way too hard to throw humor into the movie. I found it funny and clever at times, but the humor gets dumb

Humor is in the ear of the beholder. I've seen it twice and both times the entire theater laughed out loud repeatedly through the movie. I found the humor refreshing and much more than I expected. Personally, I'm a big fan of Old School/40 Year Old Virgin type movies. And to me, Transformers was very funny.

(autobots hiding from the kid's parents)

I'll give ya that, my least favorite part of the movie.

The camera shots I found INCREDIBLY distracting during some of the action scenes. They're too zoomed in, and the camera is bouncing around.

I LOVED the kinetic and impressive action scenes. The transformations are ridiculously complex... and that's part of the magic. If they were less complex and distracting it would be weak. These are giant robots moving around body parts and shifting in incredible ways to morph into cars.

They have the "token" black guy in the movie

I don't think that's fair. Tyrese's character is a key marine and is the one who discovers two key plot points. And Anthony Andersen is one of my favorite actors who steals almost all movies he's in. "Pookie, let's burn this **** down!"

(the kid talks 100 miles/second at times w/ pointless banter).

Again, part of the charm and the humor. Shia LeBouf owned the movie and shows yet again why he is one of the best upcoming actors. Speilberg loved him so much that he's the main co-star of Indy 4.

I was thinking the movie would be a Terminator 2ish type of movie, but was sadly disappointed.

I'd LOVE to see that take on the Transformers. But no way would that ever be greenlit. This is an action movie based on a kid's toys. Terminator and Transformers are two entirely different markets/ideas.

I would honestly rate this movie behind Independence Day, it has alot of the same type of dumb action/comedy, but is even worse.

Excellent end to your post. You see, personally, I loved Independence Day as well and I do think it is a great comparison. This encapsulates your point and I agree 100%. Someone who likes Independence Day will like Transformers. That isn't you (and more power to ya) but that's definitely me. :)

I enjoyed this movie. Sound effects were fantastic. The only time you get this caliber of audio fantasy is when a Star Wars movie comes out, and that ain't often. So this was a real treat!

I did notice projection flickering effect, most noticeable wherever bright white is involved. Maybe they are doing something different these days, because I have never noticed this in the past with other movies, except only recently (noticed it in Die Hard 4, as well).

I only noticed grain noise in dimly lit scenes, in dark areas (such as on a dark back wall). I didn't think it was out of the ordinary.

The scene with the gunship in the air shooting at the scorpion robot in the desert scene was especially impressive, if you are familiar with what kind of shells that thing fires. That is some sick kind of firepower, short of resorting to actual explosive artillery.

The girl reminds me of a young Jennifer Connelly, when she was ridiculously hot in that barely legal age kind of way. She has some serious rabbit teeth, though. You'd figure a girl of that caliber would have had that fixed before even considering the big screen.

The car sounds and the car chase scene were fantastic...nothing like the sound of big American iron v8's running at full scream!

The stripped wires issue only phased me a moment, and then I let it go, but the thing that really grated on me out of the whole movie was all the music selections Bumblebee would pick to attempt to set the moment. I'm sure it was humerous or cute to others, but to me, the cliche-ness of it all just grated on me to no end. :p

Was this movie really 2.5 hrs?! I actually didn't notice it, then. I thought Die Hard felt longer.

I was confused when:
...that AllSpark cube got absorbed into the bad guy robot (forgot his name, so sue me). Isn't that what he wanted to become "all powerful"? Why would he do it, if it would destroy him? I'm not saying this is a plothole. I'm just saying I didn't understand this part.

Best cheesy joke in the movie: How did you find out about the glasses?...EBAY!

Excellent end to your post. You see, personally, I loved Independence Day as well and I do think it is a great comparison. This encapsulates your point and I agree 100%. Someone who likes Independence Day will like Transformers. That isn't you (and more power to ya) but that's definitely me. :)

I'm glad people enjoyed it, I just found the humor too over the top at times, which was funny for a little while, but started to get old 1 hr or so in (I liked 50 yr old virgin, just thought that type of humor shouldn't be included in an action flick). Ya, I was hoping it'd be more Terminator 2ish, but I guess that's not how it turned out. There were several very awkward jokes (about the kid masturbating) that could and should have been left out imo. Sorry, I just felt like ranting because a friend told me to see this and I clearly don't share alot of the same enthusiasm about this movie as most people.. :p

I saw the movie on Saturday and really enjoyed it. Yes, there are plotholes, but this movie is just a big fun stupid movie and I enjoyed it as such. I agree with the original poster this movie should be a showcase on HD-DVD. I did not find it that to follow the action like some people were saying.

I can not wait to see this movie again when it comes out on video.

there was actually an interview with the writers about some of the "holes" in the story.

Basically the gist of it was this:

The reason that the Allspark created all "evil" transformers was basically twofold. 1) The allspark's purpose was NOT to directly create transformers, but rather to power all of Cybertron. The creation of transformers directly was a side-effect of the allspark and created inherently primal transformers. 2) (this is more of a hint/wink than an actual reason) Since all modern technology is built off of megatron, when it is turned back into a transformer, it is inherently evil.
Bumblebee didn't use the Allspark to heal himself because there was a chance he could be "corrupted" by it (see above)
Barricade being "missing" from the end of the movie was not a mistake or an editing choice, it was predetermined. It is now being heavily rumored that Barricade is actually Prowl and is a double-agent for the autobots.
There were a lot more lines of dialog for the transformers recorded, but not implemented mainly for budget concerns. This includes a lot more back and forth between megatron and starscream.
The Brawl/Devestator "mix-up" was not as accidental as it seems.
While the writers for this movie, and potentially Bay himself, will not return for the sequals, "enough people are returning to continue with the ideas established in the first" (paraphrase)
there are some things the writers didn't agree with, but had no say in. Such as Megatron being more powerful than Optimus, lines cut from the final edit, and who they could kill
Jazz was chosen to "die" because he would have the most emotional connection to fans right after Optimus and Bumblebee, but there was no way they were killing Optimus or Bumblebee. They agreed that his death was rather weak and not emphasized nearly enough. Also it was supposed to be Megatron tearing out Jazz's spark instead of tearing him in half (which isn't really "death" worthy in the TF universe) but no one was able to come up with a time/budget tight solution to do so.
A "megatrons eyes light up as he sinks" scene was shot but left on the editing room floor. They emphasized how common it is to "shoot an ending both ways"
Section 7 was somewhat deliberately slapstick. They felt they were already treating the military/department of defense "seriously enough" so S7 was more comic releif
The completely droppable side story of the "hackers" and such was admittedly used for non TF fans to add more human elements to the movie.


I have to find the link and I'll edit this post if I forgot anything major.

I did notice projection flickering effect, most noticeable wherever bright white is involved. Maybe they are doing something different these days, because I have never noticed this in the past with other movies, except only recently (noticed it in Die Hard 4, as well).


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I notice the movie theater projection flaws ALL THE TIME now that I have a home theater. In non DP theaters the flickering (strobing) of the image drives me crazy. That's why I only watch a few movies a year in a theater. I MUCH prefer watching movies in my home theater where the image is FAR superior on my 8 foot screen and the sound is FAR superior than in the movie theater.

It helps to go to movie theaters that have digital projection systems. Unfortunately, there are none in the town where I live. If I travel an hour away, I can find one, but that's not very convenient.

I had thought that the 48 Hz shuttering in theater projection addressed this problem, but now I am wondering if it really does.

I agree that Cinema DLP is awesome!

Well apparently you checked ALL of your brain at the door, because you missed Optimus Prime's clear explanation that they learned English and local slang from the World Wide Web. They're super-evolved sentient ROBOTS, so learning how to speak a language by downloading data off the 'Net seems like one of the more plausible things in the movie to me.

to me, no giant alien robots hacking into the internet to learn english doesn't seem plausible to me. 1st the robots would need learn all the many different protocols involved in accessing web pages, things like post/get methods, understanding how dns, tcp/ip, etc work, then grabbing enough data off the net, then deciphering that data to filter out other languages, internet slang like "1|\/| 1337 |\|008 1|_|_ pwn joo!!!!!1111oneeeeeee", mistranslations, and not to mention the all the horribly scripted porn movies on the net.

so ya, i had to check ALL my brain at the door to believe in giant transforming robots. and hopefully when part 2 comes out, ill do it again.

They have the "token" black guy in the movie

lol actually that was one of the funniest parts to me. not only was he the token black guy, he was the flyest transformer and he was the only autobot to die. me and my girl was laughin our asses off at that part

Please tell everyone who hasn't seen it more. We really want to know everything before we see it.

On the other hand based on your description maybe it will be a good idea to watch it at home with slowmotion activated.

You must be reading this thread from the end if you think I have spoiled a plot detail. The pickup truck was spoiled on page 2. All I am saying is that many of the plot holes in Transformers are there because it's an action movie, and plot continuity is secondary to action. Pages of this thread have been wasted by people debating (and spoiling) plot details that all have plausible answers. The viewer has to fill in the missing details. Just because we don't see a person strip a pair of wires doesn't mean it couldn't have happened, and the same is true of the rest of the plot holes.

On the other hand, if you are prone to motion sickness, yes, sit back from the screen.

This is an awful movie. I walked out after about 100 minutes, and I have NEVER walked out of a movie before. It was repetitious and boring. The only thing that saved the night from being a total write-off was the really good popcorn. Otherwise I would have raised hell and demanded my money back.

I like to think that I am open-minded, and would rent the HiDef version to give it a second chance. But I would certainly not buy it outright.

This is an awful movie. I walked out after about 100 minutes, and I have NEVER walked out of a movie before. It was repetitious and boring. The only thing that saved the night from being a total write-off was the really good popcorn. Otherwise I would have raised hell and demanded my money back.

I like to think that I am open-minded, and would rent the HiDef version to give it a second chance. But I would certainly not buy it outright.


i loved the movie and so far its the best movie of the summer.... wasnt the shawhsnak redepmtion but it was a summer popcorn flick...

^I agree. Some people act like it was supposed to compare to Schindlers List or something :D Jeez...

This is an awful movie. I walked out after about 100 minutes, and I have NEVER walked out of a movie before. It was repetitious and boring. The only thing that saved the night from being a total write-off was the really good popcorn. Otherwise I would have raised hell and demanded my money back.

I like to think that I am open-minded, and would rent the HiDef version to give it a second chance. But I would certainly not buy it outright.
You committed 100 minutes to this minute but then left before the inevitable balls out fight scene at the end? I don't believe it.

This is an awful movie. I walked out after about 100 minutes, and I have NEVER walked out of a movie before. It was repetitious and boring. The only thing that saved the night from being a total write-off was the really good popcorn. Otherwise I would have raised hell and demanded my money back.

I like to think that I am open-minded, and would rent the HiDef version to give it a second chance. But I would certainly not buy it outright.

I have to agree with this dude. I was at about the 100 - 120 mark and I was ready to just walk out. They horrifically bastardized the franchise with one of the most boring, cliche ridden films ever created.

I stuck it out because I already invested that amount of time and another 40 minutes couldn't be that bad. The damage was already done, the end battles couldn't save this bomb. It's sad that it made so much money, there will be more of these turdcakes in the future.

This is coming from a TransFormers fan that went in with a super open mind.

I saw it twice and enjoyed it both times despite it being 140 minutes long. I thought I was going to be restless the second time around during the first part of the movie--just wanting to get to the action/fight scenes, but surprisingly enough I was still entertained all the way through. Good summer flick even on the second viewing! :cool:

I was confused when:
...that AllSpark cube got absorbed into the bad guy robot (forgot his name, so sue me). Isn't that what he wanted to become "all powerful"? Why would he do it, if it would destroy him? I'm not saying this is a plothole. I'm just saying I didn't understand this part.
Megatron wanted to use the cube to transform all of earth's technology to create a huge army under his own control, not absorb the cube to make himself 'all-powerful'. If you notice when Sam is running with the cube, and falls on the ground, the cube sparks out and transforms a couple of things (escalade air bag, xbox 360, mountain dew machine). In the beginning of the movie, it was said that the cube creates life, and you also see an example when they use the cube to zap the cell phone and bring it to life.

this is my favorite movie this year. I had a blast and seen it twice. I cant wait to get the HD-DVD!

Not sure if this has been posted, but it was stated on Michael Bay's website a few weeks ago that this would be on both Blu-Ray and HD-DVD as well as ,of course, DVD.

I saw this movie twice. I was a Transformers fan in the 80s.. have my original Optimus Prime toy sitting here on my desk at work from when I was a kid :D

I freakin' loved this movie. It's everything I hoped for in a Transformers flick.. Some people bitch, but I think they don't understand that not every IP "transforms" into a great action movie for all people to see without some changes. I welcomed the changes, awesome movie. **** the haters. :)

^I agree. Some people act like it was supposed to compare to Schindlers List or something :D Jeez...


I agree--it's a great sci-fi action flick !

Good popcorn movie. Nothing more, nothing less.