http://www.electronista.com/articles/07/07/04/samsung.hybrid.launch.info/

While the final cost of the player hasn't been finalized, the device should be ready by October or November and will sell at a roughly 400-Euro ($544) premium compared to a single-format Blu-Ray movie reader by the time it reaches stores. More details should be revealed when the IFA show begins on August 31st.

ummm, I know they've already stated that it wouldn't but - it better have the Reon in there at this price if it plans to sell more than 5. Oh and disc memory, instant on and play, HD sound, and it better make espresso too.

That price is super cheap for a universal player of both formats. After a few months on the market it will surely be found for even cheaper than $545 US.

Um, a $544 premium to a roughly $500 BD player would be over a grand. Still cheaper than the current LG; but I agree it should have the Reon at that price; with BD Profile 1.1, HD DVD w/ iHD and Reon it would be worth it to me, esp if it had TrueHD and DTS-MA. With the features announced so far (no Reon, etc) I'll have to wait and see. But PQ wise a Reon-based universal would be an awesome player to play all formats, including DVD.

So lets see, spend a extra $544 for the single box, or buy a PS3, and a A20, and still have some cash left over for movies and games. And if the universal breaks you can't watch anything. Where can I sign up!!

I suspect the premium will be less in the USA, we Europeans normally get a little ripped off. Expect a max of $400 premium.

Interesting that the article pretty much claims BD Live support for the player. If this thing supports Full HDDVD, BD Live and all sound formats then I think it might well be worth $1000.

I suspect the premium will be less in the USA, we Europeans normally get a little ripped off. Expect a max of $400 premium.

Interesting that the article pretty much claims BD Live support for the player. If this thing supports Full HDDVD, BD Live and all sound formats then I think it might well be worth $1000.
It's already on my Xmas list! ;)

This thing just keeps getting better...

More info also here: http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/Samsung/Hardware/More_Details_in_on_Samsungs_Dual-Format_Blu-ray/HD_DVD_Player/743

Wow. That price is super. I bet it'll be around $799 even though I see the 400 Euro is noted. If it supports all the playability options this is a fine player.

Quick question. I know some people are upset that this unit only does 60 Frames Per Second for HD-DVD. What exactly does this mean? Why is it important to have 24FPS?

HD-A2 = $250
PS3 = $500

Total = $750

If one dies you have the other. No single point of failure !!!

Quick question. I know some people are upset that this unit only does 60 Frames Per Second for HD-DVD. What exactly does this mean? Why is it important to have 24FPS?
The movie is stored on the disc as 1080p24. If you can take it off of the disc that way and pass it on with minimal processing, you'll get a better picture. That's assuming your TV accepts 1080p24.
J
PS. If it doesn't have a REON chip, it won't have as good a picture as some of the separates.
J

Quick question. I know some people are upset that this unit only does 60 Frames Per Second for HD-DVD. What exactly does this mean? Why is it important to have 24FPS?
Why do you think it will not support 24p for HD DVD? The complete report in Electronista http://www.electronista.com/articles/07/07/04/samsung.hybrid.launch.info/ sounds like it will:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=870868&p=10956910
"will support all the features of either movie format" and "can output movies at either a film-native 24 frames per second or as quickly as 60 frames per second for faster videos." There is no mention of any difference between the two formats as far as frame rate goes.

Why do you think it will not support 24p for HD DVD? The complete report in Electronista http://www.electronista.com/articles/07/07/04/samsung.hybrid.launch.info/ sounds like it will:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=870868&p=10956910
"will support all the features of either movie format" and "can output movies at either a film-native 24 frames per second or as quickly as 60 frames per second for faster videos." There is no mention of any difference between the two formats as far as frame rate goes.

here's to hoping!

Does all features mean DTS-HD Master?

HD-A2 = $250
PS3 = $500

Total = $750

If one dies you have the other. No single point of failure !!!

you guys who are concerned about reduncy - do you have a spare HDTV, and AVR as well? :rolleyes:

I'll take one component that does the job of two, over two seperate components cluttering up my Home Theater any day!

you guys who are concerned about reduncy - do you have a spare HDTV, and AVR as well? :rolleyes:

I'll take one component that does the job of two, over two seperate components cluttering up my Home Theater any day!

I Agree with "You". Buy one of the Best that one can Afford that Plays both Formats and enjoy the HD Picture and Sound.

One-Box: :D

Terry

The question is ??? What is the Best Dual=Purpose Player ???

I Agree with "You". Buy one of the Best that one can Afford that Plays both Formats and enjoy the HD Picture and Sound.

One-Box: :D

Terry

The question is ??? What is the Best Dual=Purpose Player ???

Details of the Samsung are still incomplete but will hopefully be fully disclosed by its showing in August. I've had the LG and it was OK. I was particularly pleased with the 1080p/24 out of both formats.

The Samsung is unclear on 1080p/24 for HD-DVD but will have it for Blu-Ray. Other than that, I think the advantage at this point is going to Samsung: HDi & BDLive compatibility. Ethernet connectivity and advanced audio. Hopefully it will include the Reon chip and rank up there with the current kings of upconverting (XA2 & BD-P1200, both with the Reon).

I see you are a fellow Tennessean. Where are you in TN?

Details of the Samsung are still incomplete but will hopefully be fully disclosed by its showing in August. I've had the LG and it was OK. I was particularly pleased with the 1080p/24 out of both formats.

The Samsung is unclear on 1080p/24 for HD-DVD but will have it for Blu-Ray. Other than that, I think the advantage at this point is going to Samsung: HDi & BDLive compatibility. Ethernet connectivity and advanced audio. Hopefully it will include the Reon chip and rank up there with the current kings of upconverting (XA2 & BD-P1200, both with the Reon).

I see you are a fellow Tennessean. Where are you in TN?
ckelly33,

Answer, Nashville, TN.

ckelly33,

Answer, Nashville, TN.

Martin, TN here. Just moved from Nashville.

Another point as to the best dual players: there is only one right now, the LG BH-100. Samsung is the only other manufacturer with an announced dual player, the BD-P5000. It will be available in October. LG is rumored to have a 2nd generation in the works, I'd be surprised if they didn't formally announce it before the Samsung hits the market. Otherwise, they'll risk losing customers who would have waited.

Those are the only strong prospects. Some here have speculated that Onkyo will offer a dual player but nothing even semi-official has surfaced about that.

Martin, TN here. Just moved from Nashville.

Another point as to the best dual players: there is only one right now, the LG BH-100. Samsung is the only other manufacturer with an announced dual player, the BD-P5000. It will be available in October. LG is rumored to have a 2nd generation in the works, I'd be surprised if they didn't formally announce it before the Samsung hits the market. Otherwise, they'll risk losing customers who would have waited.

Those are the only strong prospects. Some here have speculated that Onkyo will offer a dual player but nothing even semi-official has surfaced about that.

Well, Martin TN. :D I actually live in Franklin, TN. but most people have not heard of it so it is easier to just say Nashville, TN.

I will purchase a High-End Dual Purpose HD/BR Player when the dust settles I guess. Don't want to jump to Fast and then kick myself when the Great DVD Players come out Later. I have been guilty of wanting to be 1st with equipment and the last time I jumped the gun it cost me another $5,000.00 Dollars to upgrade. Example: Runco VX5000 to the Runco VX5000ci. It cost me $5K and I had not even took delivery of the 5000 model yet. So I am more cautious now.

Terry

Hey, I'm in Johnson City TN. Anyway, I'm also one who prefers to have one universal component over two separate ones, as long as it is reliable and of decent quality. I'll be taking a look at the Samsung player as soon as it hits the market later this year.

Hey, I'm in Johnson City TN. Anyway, I'm also one who prefers to have one universal component over two separate ones, as long as it is reliable and of decent quality. I'll be taking a look at the Samsung player as soon as it hits the market later this year.

Hi Johnson City, TN. :D

Franklin, TN. Here: ;)

Terry

Samsung are definitely on fire.

Looks like they'll have the first BD 1.1 and BD 2.0 player on the market later this year with the BD-P1400 with full Dolby and DTS advanced audio codec decoding.

http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/32852/118/

With the price of $545USD in Europe I would expect you could pick it up for $500 here in the US shortly after it comes out.

http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/32852/118/

With the price of $545USD in Europe I would expect you could pick it up for $500 here in the US shortly after it comes out.

Think that's a typo/bad info in the article. Original release was a $545 premium over existing Blu-Ray players.

http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/32852/118/

With the price of $545USD in Europe I would expect you could pick it up for $500 here in the US shortly after it comes out.

Typo - the price will be 400 Euros more expensive than a standalone Blu-ray player. Unless the BD-P1000 has dropped to 10 Euros, it will be over $1000 easy when it hits the US.

it seems like most of the websites are over-looking the "premium over existing blu-ray players" part of the original statement by Samsung.
That's a shame, because so many people are going to be expecting a price of under $600, thanks to the hundreds of websites that just re-vamp old reports.
Some sites today are even reporting that the unit will be out next month in Europe.
I hope they don't get bad press when they announce the "actual" price.

http://www.electronista.com/articles/07/07/04/samsung.hybrid.launch.info/

Here's the essence of the real news: Samsung to launch €400 Blu-Ray/HD-DVD player next month (http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/07/11/samsung_400euro_blu-ray/)

Typo - the price will be 400 Euros more expensive than a standalone Blu-ray player. Unless the BD-P1000 has dropped to 10 Euros, it will be over $1000 easy when it hits the US.

Or perhaps the original was the typo and indeed it will be €400 or $545 - which will bury the BDP1000 but also kill everybody else on the market.

It would be a very smart move from Smasung, I think, to launch a combo with a €400-500 price tag.

Or perhaps the original was the typo and indeed it will be €400 or $545 - which will bury the BDP1000 but also kill everybody else on the market.

It would be a very smart move from Smasung, I think, to launch a combo with a €400-500 price tag.


and if they do charge over 1,000 USD they will not sell very many at all.

I would think they would have learned that by now.

If it's priced in the $800-$1000 range then they won't have many customers. If you go back to some of the original announcments in April you will see they said it would only be at a $100 premium. Remember LG's player was at only a $200 premium over regular BD players when it was introduced. Even with the HDDVD licensing it won't be roughly double the price of a stand alone BD player. There's not much of a hardware diference between the two players, there will be many shared parts. The only real diference is the way the data is stored on and read from the disc. I trust that source. If you don't that's fine. With the hardware costs falling so rapidly (~50% in the last year) it is easy to envision a dual format player that can be found online for ~$500 by year's end if there are already <$500 BD and <$300 HDDVD players online now as an all in one unit will cost less to produce than two stand alone units.

and if they do charge over 1,000 USD they will not sell very many at all.

I would think they would have learned that by now.

Exactly.

If it's priced in the $800-$1000 range then they won't have many customers. If you go back to some of the original announcments in April you will see they said it would only be at a $100 premium. Remember LG's player was at only a $200 premium over regular BD players when it was introduced. Even with the HDDVD licensing it won't be roughly double the price of a stand alone BD player. There's not much of a hardware diference between the two players, there will be many shared parts. The only real diference is the way the data is stored on and read from the disc. I trust that source. If you don't that's fine. With the hardware costs falling so rapidly (~50% in the last year) it is easy to envision a dual format player that can be found online for ~$500 by year's end if there are already <$500 BD and <$300 HDDVD players online now as an all in one unit will cost less to produce than two stand alone units.

That is exactly where it will be priced:

Samsung just announced the pricing for it's 2 new players:

BP - 1400 - $549

BP- 2400 - $649

So you tell me how a DF player is going to be priced the same? It will be in the $799 to $999 price range. To think otherwise is ignoring the facts.

This DF player is for the EA market that is sitting on the fence waiting for either a winner or a DF player - the DF player will get here first.

Well With an announced MSRP of $1,049 Samsung must not plan to sell to many as this is over the cost of both players on their own. I revise my estimate and now feel you will be lucky to pick it up for about $800 online by the end of the year.

Well With an announced MSRP of $1,049 Samsung must not plan to sell to many as this is over the cost of both players on their own. I revise my estimate and now feel you will be lucky to pick it up for about $800 online by the end of the year.

So how does the announcement for the Denon $2000 BRD player strike you?

The 5000 is a unique product - a format war ender. Buy one of these and you choose whatever movie you want to buy. The BDA sold between 50,000 and 70,000 BRD players last year at $1000+ MSRP and once again - a single format player.

HDM is not at the mass adoption stage yet. And as I posted above - still alot of fence sitters who are Early Adopters. Sure after a few months the price might go down. Or if another DF player comes out.

But in the mean time this is the only announced true marriage of HD DVD and BRD player - Up to spec on both - all features.

If some of what I've read is correct tho, it includes the Reon, and is Profile 1.1, along with internet connectivity, analog outs, etc. Pretty full-featured BD player, not to mention the HD DVD capability. Looks good to me for 800 or so street price.

If some of what I've read is correct tho, it includes the Reon, and is Profile 1.1, along with internet connectivity, analog outs, etc. Pretty full-featured BD player, not to mention the HD DVD capability. Looks good to me for 800 or so street price.

Link to picture and specs as presented by a 3rd party:

http://www.electronichouse.com/article/samsung_unveils_more_info_about_its_dual_blu_ray_hd_dvd_play er/C157/

From Engadet:

The dual-format BD-UP5000 was also announced back in April, and now we know that it will play back both of the high-definition formats at 1080p and includes the HQV upconversion processor chip found in the BD-P2400. It includes the same feature set as the BD-P2400, with Blu-ray playback at 24 or 60fps, 7.1-channel out, and Dolby Digital Plus and DTS HD support. It also has HD DVD-specific features like local storage and picture-in-picture support, while staying fully compatible with both the HDi and BD-J interactive specs.

Site for info on the Processor chip; S.O. - HQV:

http://www.hqv.com/

^^^thats a good looking player. I will probably pic it up and dump my PS3, and give my A1 to a friend or family member.

and if they do charge over 1,000 USD they will not sell very many at all.

I would think they would have learned that by now. They're selling one to me! :D

The specs says 7.1 output, will it be over HDMI only or will we be lucky enough to have 7.1 analog too ?

The specs says 7.1 output, will it be over HDMI only or will we be lucky enough to have 7.1 analog too ?

Yes and the Reon UP DVD chip also:

Pictures from all angles and a hands on review:

http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/grope/hands+on-samsungs-bd+up5000-hybrid-hd-dvd-and-blu+ray-player-verdict-so-far-the-best-282569.php

If some of what I've read is correct tho, it includes the Reon, and is Profile 1.1, along with internet connectivity, analog outs, etc. Pretty full-featured BD player, not to mention the HD DVD capability. Looks good to me for 800 or so street price.

It's not clear to me from any of the writeups I've seen today that the new Samsung players support Profile 1.1. The writeup at electronichouse.com that was linked above seems to think BD-Java is Profile 1.1 when of course, they're not the same. Electronichouse says the universal player supports local storage and picture-in-picture but it doesn't say whether it's referring to HD-DVD or both Blu-ray and HD-DVD. I would think Samsung would be putting Profile 1.1 support front and center like Denon just did with their new player so I have my suspicion that the Samsungs won't support Profile 1.1.

It's not clear to me from any of the writeups I've seen today that the new Samsung players support Profile 1.1. The writeup at electronichouse.com that was linked above seems to think BD-Java is Profile 1.1 when of course, they're not the same. Electronichouse says the universal player supports local storage and picture-in-picture but it doesn't say whether it's referring to HD-DVD or both Blu-ray and HD-DVD. I would think Samsung would be putting Profile 1.1 support front and center like Denon just did with their new player so I have my suspicion that the Samsungs won't support Profile 1.1.

It also has HD DVD-specific features like local storage and picture-in-picture support, while staying fully compatible with both the HDi and BD-J interactive specs.

http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/25/samsung-announces-more-details-on-3rd-gen-and-dual-format-player/

It also has HD DVD-specific features like local storage and picture-in-picture support, while staying fully compatible with both the HDi and BD-J interactive specs.

http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/25/samsung-announces-more-details-on-3rd-gen-and-dual-format-player/

You seem to have misunderstood me. I was pointing out that Electronichouse referred to support for local storage and PIP without specifying whether it was for HD-DVD or Blu-ray. If it was the latter then that would mean the player supports Profile 1.1. It turns out it's not Electronichouse's fault, it was just repeating what was listed on the spec sheet released by Samsung, which doesn't make the distinction.

I don't understand the basis for Engadget writing that the support for PIP and local storage is "HD DVD-specific." Does Engadget know something that's not listed on the spec sheet or is it just leaping to a conclusion?

You seem to have misunderstood me. I was pointing out that Electronichouse referred to support for local storage and PIP without specifying whether it was for HD-DVD or Blu-ray. If it was the latter then that would mean the player supports Profile 1.1. It turns out it's not Electronichouse's fault, it was just repeating what was listed on the spec sheet released by Samsung, which doesn't make the distinction.

I don't understand the basis for Engadget writing that the support for PIP and local storage is "HD DVD-specific." Does Engadget know something that's not listed on the spec sheet or is it just leaping to a conclusion?

The player is coming out in November. ALL BRD players introduced after 10/31/07 have to be Profile 1.1 compliant

While the final cost of the player hasn't been finalized, the device should be ready by October or November

http://www.electronista.com/articles/07/07/04/samsung.hybrid.launch.info/

The BD-P2400 will be available in October for $649, and the BD-P1400 in September for $549.

http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/07/11/samsungs-bd-p2400-and-bd-p1400-third-gen-blu-ray-players/

Well so far I think I am in on this one.

Does anyone know when exactly you can purchase this unit ??????? :confused:

Terry

Yet another Nashvillian who's ready to pounce on this unit. Shoot, it looks like i'll have to upgrade our theater to 7.1 at that time as well...

Count another sold in TN!!

Yet another Nashvillian who's ready to pounce on this unit. Shoot, it looks like i'll have to upgrade our theater to 7.1 at that time as well...

Well, just to share this with the Nashville/TN. Members. Already there with the 7.1 and to be more exacting it is a 7.4 Surround System.

Left-Front; Center-Front; Right-Front; Left & Right Middle; Rear 2-Spkrs. ; Then 4-Subs. :D

Looking to do the Dual HD/BR DVD Player and this one looks like it may be in 1st Place. ;)

Now just need to get my Runco VX5000ci back from Runco in Calif. and find a "LOCAL-ISF Tech" to do the Calibrations. I understand that my Dealer (Hi Tech Innovations) in Nash. TN. has a Certified ISF Tech. on board. So maybe I will be set. Especially if they carry this DF DVD Player. That is when it goes on sale.

Things are going to be really nice in the HT once things get in motion.

Terry

BTW, It is nice to see all you TN. Members here on AVScience Forum. I use to feel Lonely here. Looked like most of the members that Posted were from Calif.

This BDP-UP5000 unit really looks interesting. It's got me thinking in a whole new direction.

What caught my eye is the mention of possibly playing other HD dvd formats. I've accumulated a rather large library of HD mpeg2 (and .avi) files that I've burned to dual layer dvd's with a typical .ts extension. I'd like to be able to play them back on something other than my old "POS" Snazio 1350HD DVD player. I'm also not interested in playing back this stuff via an ethernet connection to a home media gallery on a hard drive. I don't want to have to have to boot up a computer to watch movies (low WAF).

I had hopes for the new Pioneer Blu-Ray models, but the feedback I've gotten is that like they will only playback HD dvd's that are burned with an .mpg extension. Pretty stupid design constraint if you ask me. The Pioneer's are also above this price level.

Anyway, the other thing I like is the 7 channel analog outputs that I could use to feed high quality audio to my 10 year old denon 3801 receiver. That would let me send the HDMI video directly from the player to an outboard Video Processor, then on to my CRT projector without having to go thru an HDMI receiver in the middle of the chain. I don't like the concept of a VP built into a receiver (like the new Onkyo 875), because I need the ability to adjust porch settings and the like.

I'd like to buy some time until this whole HDMI mess sorts itself out before jumping in and buying any more new equipment. This might be my upgrade ticket.

Ray

Do we know yet if this player will send out the TrueHD and DTS-HDMA signals through bitstream since no players as of yet do this?

So how does the announcement for the Denon $2000 BRD player strike you?

The 5000 is a unique product - a format war ender. Buy one of these and you choose whatever movie you want to buy. The BDA sold between 50,000 and 70,000.

Yes, but that was LAST year. That WAS the cheapest viable Blu-Ray solution. Today I can buy a pretty nice standalone for $500 or get the PS3 for the same price. I can buy a HD DVD player for $300 as well. Why would I, at the current time, pay $350 MORE just to have 1 single device? Thats TODAY, what happens when HD and BR players drop even more by November? This dual player may be twice as much then buying a BR and a HD standalone player.

Yes, but that was LAST year. That WAS the cheapest viable Blu-Ray solution. Today I can buy a pretty nice standalone for $500 or get the PS3 for the same price. I can buy a HD DVD player for $300 as well. Why would I, at the current time, pay $350 MORE just to have 1 single device? Thats TODAY, what happens when HD and BR players drop even more by November? This dual player may be twice as much then buying a BR and a HD standalone player.

It's a $150 price difference not $350. Apples to apples. 1080P to 1080P. The P1200 is $500 and the A20 is $400. You need extra cables. You need 3 HDMI input ports - 2 for HDM, 1 for HD CBL/SAT. More space is taken up.

Convinence is the one thing that can trump price. Early EA's who don't want two players will buy this. Street price should be about $850 to $900.

I have a relatively new receiver. It does HDMI switching but only has two inputs. The $150-$350 price difference for me is negligible if you consider that my setup allows for 2 HDMI products (currently a series 3 TiVo and an HD-DVD player), to pick up a 3rd HDMI device, I'd probably next want to replace the receiver (which I am otherwise satisfied with) with one that accepts at least 3 OR get a switcher for $100+ (which I don't want anyway).

For me, it's a price I'm wiling to pay (and otherwise would spend on either a new receiver or a switcher)

It's a $150 price difference not $350. Apples to apples. 1080P to 1080P. The P1200 is $500 and the A20 is $400. You need extra cables. You need 3 HDMI input ports - 2 for HDM, 1 for HD CBL/SAT. More space is taken up.

Convinence is the one thing that can trump price. Early EA's who don't want two players will buy this. Street price should be about $850 to $900.

With a street price of $850 - $900 then it is even steven. Two components for the same price a one dual player. Its a no-brainer. Now if the price of HD and BR players drops this Fall, the 5000 may drop as well. I would much rather have ONE component that does it all.

It's a $150 price difference not $350. Apples to apples. 1080P to 1080P. The P1200 is $500 and the A20 is $400. You need extra cables. You need 3 HDMI input ports - 2 for HDM, 1 for HD CBL/SAT. More space is taken up.

Convinence is the one thing that can trump price. Early EA's who don't want two players will buy this. Street price should be about $850 to $900.

Aside from the fact that not everyone has use for 1080p (myself included), the difference IS $350. I'm not too worried about a couple of $5 HDMI cables :)

Aside from the fact that not everyone has use for 1080p (myself included), the difference IS $350. I'm not too worried about a couple of $5 HDMI cables :)

OK - no problem - I understand. Your main selling feature is price - 2 for less than the cost of 1 that will do both formats. Your money - you spend it any way you see fit.

A poster above you felt this is a perfect answer to his desire to have 2 formats - use one player. The money issue is secondary to the convinence. Just like I said. . . Only thing that can trump the price card

The player is definitely not for a lot of people at that price. But Samsung knows that about 20% of the potential EA (Early Adopter) market is still there. The one's who spend the biggest dollars. They are sitting on the fence waiting for the war to end. Now they don't have to. This ends it for them.

OK - no problem - I understand. Your main selling feature is price - 2 for less than the cost of 1 that will do both formats. Your money - you spend it any way you see fit.

A poster above you felt this is a perfect answer to his desire to have 2 formats - use one player. The money issue is secondary to the convinence. Just like I said. . . Only thing that can trump the price card

The player is definitely not for a lot of people at that price. But Samsung knows that about 20% of the potential EA (Early Adopter) market is still there. The one's who spend the biggest dollars. They are sitting on the fence waiting for the war to end. Now they don't have to. This ends it for them.
You are correct IMO that just as I have waited to see Who/Whom was going to be the WINNER in the HD Format WAR, I can Stop-Waiting and purchase one DF Player. AMEN-PASS-THE-POTATOES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D

The waiting is getting very close to being over. Price is only one consideration and having multiple HD Players in some cases is (Not-Possible). I am one of them with a Pull-Out-Rack that only has room for 1-DVD Player. DF Player for me is the Answer. Thank you Samsung. :)


Terry

Anyone heard any updates about this player, specs, price, availability, etc? I'm waiting it out.......for this player (i think). Wonder if you'll get.......what is it up now? 8 hd-dvd and 8 blu-rays, yeah, will you get 16 free movies :) That would sell it, if its in the $500 price range.

Player update from Berlin.

http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/07/11/samsung_400euro_blu-ray/

So, where ist the "update"?
The message is from the 11th of July and is totally wrong in claiming the price could be 400 Euro. The "400 Euro" was first mentioned by the german newssite www.heise.de, but they said that it would be "400 Euro above an normal BR-player". I am german and read the original message.
It was my first thought, that announcing a relative price would lead to a lot of misinterpretations, because people would just read the numbers, but not the following sentence...

The official european price will be 999 Euro, with street prices around 800 Euro, I hope.

It is amazing how sources get things wrong. This was posted today in the UK Register
tech site. I though someting was wrong in the first place.

So, here is the official confirmation (Google Translation) (http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.areadvd.de%2Fnews%2F2007%2FIFA_ 2007%2F31082007007_Samsung_Blu-ray_Disc.shtml&langpair=de%7Cen&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&prev=%2Flanguage_tools):

BD-P1400 600 Euro
BD-UP5000 999 Euro

The difference is *tatataaaa* 400 Euro... :rolleyes: